Highlights: Pink Foxx

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Calgary Audio. What's up, mother Sockers. Welcome to another episode
of Mothersucker Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Blackson. I'm never alone, Mike.
I can't believe you remember that one I'm never alone

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the last episode you forgot. I'm never alone. Chinese best friend,
you always here? Yeah, you're homeless Chinese best friend. Uh
yeah I am because uh I am always in the
background of Michael block them you are my shadow. Ladies
and gentlemen. They give a big welcome to the first
female black, the first black transgender comedian. I right my saying,

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miss Pink foxes in the building. Pink FOXO Fox it is,
but it's Pink Fox. But she's wearing all black right now,
if you're feeling that, if you know that you're a woman,
would you want to be with a man as well? No,
I don't like man. I'm not attracted to mine. Damn.
That's the coolest trus gender earth. Yeah. We like the

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same thing as pussy. Yeah, but I think that's why
everybody foks with me. Yeah, because you like pussy and
I like you like I don't like dick. Because you
know what, in that moment, you have to you have
to see that. That's a teacher. That's that's kind of
like a teaching moment, right, just me being myself. Because
just because your trans it doesn't mean that you like men.

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That's not what that means. That means you identify as female.
You identify how you identify, right, whatever you're attracted to
that sexual identity. Gender identity and sexual identity are two
different things. My gender identity is female. My sexual identities lesbian.
Because I date and like women. That's what I funk with, right,
And they funk with me, and you know, and I
got some bad ones, some bad bitches, some bad ones

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with vagina, yes, all day long. Wow, how do you
feel Aboutdave Chapelle? I love Dave. Let me tell you
what about Dave. So if you watch The Closer on
Netflix and you watch the credits, you'll see me in
a picture with Dave. And I don't know if you're
paying the photos and ship, but me Anderson Park, Dave,
Dave's wife, all in a photo together in the credits

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of The Closer. So I funk with I funk with Dave,
and he was very nice to me, very gracious, and um,
you know, I got nothing but respect for him. He's
an elder in the comedy community, and although his his
views are a bit askew, I would love to add
the opportunity just you know, further educate him or give
him a different perspective. That's why he don't his views

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are askew because he don't understand. I think that, um,
you know, it's a whole, it's a deeper thing to
it being black, being black African American men. I think
that there's a history of of of of lack of
understanding of the l g B t q I a
community within that community, and because of that, there are
micro aggress and macro aggressions, violence and things like that.

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I mean, because I know, you know, where everybody being
proud and coming out and let everybody know who they
are now that I mean, we'll go back to the
nineties and mind you, I'm sure women were feeling this
way in the eighties and nineties too. They just had
they just kept it to themselves. Is that what happened? Well,
I think that there was a there's an amount of um,
you know, there's an amount of oppression that happens when

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anyone is different, right, and and those protections happened through
organizing and marching and and displays of Hey, we're being
mistreated over here, so we need representation to help us
make it past this. So like since Stonewall, you know,
we've we've been fighting for that equality. And I think
the thing that that the that the Special lacks, in short,

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is the viewpoint of the black transgender you know, it's
more about white people and white trans on us more
than it is being black. And and then that within
its self is a bit of eratier, which once again
I'm not saying was on purpose. I'm just saying that
I understand because he literally says in the special, my
problem is not with the transgender community, it's what white people.

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But the thing about that is, before he recorded that,
and before he said that on stage, he said that
to me when I'm at him, he knew exactly why
I met Dave. He said, you're pink Fox. I've heard
great things about you because I'm friends with Jeff Frost.
Community is gonna ever, uh forgive David. I think that

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there needs to be an understanding of where Dave is
coming from and why Dave feels the way he feels.
And then I also need, uh, there to be an
understanding of what it means to be a comedian, because
if we look at people like George Carlin, there's always
someone who's raising a finger and saying, hey, wait a minute.
The societal norm bro when broken down, makes me feel

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like this and this is what's going on with this
and that? And even Lenny Bruce, the societal norm back
then was was to be segregated and to to treat
black people a certain type of way. He stood up
against that, you know, and because of that he was
jailed many times on stage for just stating his opinion
in a vulgar way. Albeit but still so. I think
that going against the status quo, even though the status

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quo at this point is making sure that people are
are not being mistreated or or oppressed just for their identities, uh,
there's still this one man standing up and saying I
have a problem with this, and this is why, and
it's less of a go ahead mind, But what I mean,
what happened to freedom of speech? Though? Like what you
could talk about. I thought that's what made America great,
to talk about whatever you want to talk about, regardless

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of what it is, and especially being a comic. I
never thought that we should be. We should be just
we comedians at the end of the day. You know,
it's our job to just make fun of anything that
we want to make fun of. I understand that. But
let me ask you a questions, where is the line
between freedom of speech and hate speech? That is true?
Definitely agree to, Because if there was a Nazi comedian

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and he was spewing all this hatred for who he
doesn't like, would we still have the same or extend
the same graciousness to him for just being himself. But
they're not saying he don't like them, right, No. But
the one thing that was conflicting to me and which
which helped me understand that Dave still lacked an understanding
fully was that he said the phrase trans women are

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women and then proceeded to call himself a turf, which
is a trans exclusionary radical feminists whose slogan is trans
women are not women. You can't have both, okay, So okay,
And that's the part that you're a woman. That was
the part, yes, And that was the part and my
you know, my eyes, and that was the part that
that that I understood at that moment when he said

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I believe trans women are women. And then turned around
and said, I'm a turf. I said, okay, he doesn't
know what he's talking. Turf is a trans exclusionary radical feminist.
So there's a branch of feminists that don't believe trans
women are women, that feel like trans women are infringing
on their rights as women and occupying spaces in which
they sacred, as in the rest room, in dressing rooms

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and things like that, and they don't want that right.
They think that these are just men with dresses on.
They don't give that same understanding because of their reasoning
and their feelings towards our community. And once he aligned
himself with that, I think that's really what struck a
chord in our community and where they said, wait a minute,
you're calling yourself a turf. I think that was louder
than him saying that trans women are women, because it's

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I just know, I'm like I said, artist are new
to me. I'm totally uneducated when it comes to this
whole gay life and lgbt Q. Did I forget any letter?
I A but that's you don't have to say, uh,
intersex and a sexual. There's a lot more coming out.
So here's the thing. So as we identify more branches

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within our community and really define what it means to
be who we are, because there are so many different
variations of a queer person or someone that is just
not heteronormative, that we're working our best to make sure
everyone feels represented and identified properly. And no one wants

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to feel as though they've been fall you know, dropped
by the wayside. Will a bitch asked you gotta be
in part of the lgbt No, but I'll inquire about
that for you. Michael put b a. I might be
a lum. I'm a bit as a guy. I don't
like to fight. I don't argue, you know. I like
to say this on stage, I said, I might be
a bitch nigger. But it ain't no bitch nigger, I understand.

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So you know, it's it's just a whole thing. You
guys have a meeting every week. No, there is no
meeting every week per se that I go to. But
there are meetings and we do organize. And I think
that's one of the things about the l g B
t Q. I a community that is different. We have
everyone from every nationality pushing for one goal. Can you
name another movement like that. That's the best movement I've

(09:38):
ever heard. All Right, So there is um is where
that phrase, the word that keem came from? Do you everyone?
I think back in the day that was just derogatory.
It was just for a busch lesbian. Is it like
a nigga kind of? I don't know if it's nigga,
but it's darky. Okay with regard to the church as

(10:04):
it relates to sports, okay, transplant that want to compete it.
I guess head along. Okay, six gender women, it's what
you're talking about. No, it's cool, it's cool. It's cool.
So I was having a conversation with Fallon Fox. You
know Fallon foxes Falon Fox was the first transgender m
M A fighter. I literally just talked to the Fallion
before I left for my flight to d C. Right,

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so we all we we all talked. Most of us talk.
If you live in Hollywood, even l A or you've
made some sort of headline, we know each other. That's
the thing. So so I was talking to Fallon and
Falin was like, I said, what you think is special?
She she she she didn't approve. And then I gave
her my experience, yeah, yeah, the closer. And I gave
her my my experience with Dave personally. And then she

(10:45):
also brought up a segment in which Bill Burr didn't
refer to her by name but called but called her
a diculous man. And uh, you know, and I just
had the six I know Bill too, and and Bill
is very friendly to me. And you know, so she's
a she's a woman not born born a map I
signed mail at birth. But why why is chiculus well,

(11:07):
because you know, I guess he was just trying to
be funny. Man, did she remove? No? I don't. I
don't know what she has in her pants because no,
I didn't ask. But that's not what makes you trans.
It has nothing to do with that. It's brain. It's
a brain chemistry situation. So you can have both, even
you can have anything. So what is happening both as intersext? Oh?
That's that's another letter you just put it in. Yeah,
that's the eye intersex. Yeah, and it's sex you got No,

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that's what you're gonna tell somebody. Hey, you're not supposed
to be intersex. It's wrong to be intersex if you're
born with openis of it. Yeah, you're born like that?
What the fuck? Damn. So it's just it's a lot
of lack of understanding. You want know the truth is man,
um My management reached out to me and they wanted
me to write something on how I feel about the
whole situation. And uh, I've been really hesitant and slow
to speak about it. But you know, I blame I
blame slavery. I blame slavery is in the attack on

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black masculinity, in the slowed or lack of understanding of
l g B t q I A because for many years,
after being oppressed for four hundred, it was any type
of weakness was deemed as counterproductive, especially dealing with things
like Black Wall Street, especially dealing with things coming out

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of slavery and trying to grow as a people and
gain our respect in society and the society we've we've
been kidnapped into, you know what I mean? I think
that that's that's the issue within itself lies and understanding
what it really means to be uh suppressed as a culture,
not allowed to to grow, and then forcing the growth
and now all of a sudden, uh not all of

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a sudden, but but years later wanting to every everyone
to understand everything immediately. There needs to be a little
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