October 20, 2020 • 34 mins
My next guests are Kevin Frazier, And Nischelle Turner Are Back On The Entertainment Tonight Set After 6 Months Of Filming Remotely. Entertainment Tonight IS THE #1 ENTERTAINMENT NEWSMAGAZINE on television with nearly 4 million viewers daily, and the show won its 5th Emmy Award this year. Kevin AND Nischelle are on the show to discuss being a part of the 40th season milestone. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Kevin Frazier and Nischelle Turner.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Awesome. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host with
Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the Shell
Turner back on Entertainment tonight after being away six months remotely,
I've been watching y'all on that small screen. Is the
number one entertainment news magazine or television really the world,
(00:23):
four million viewers daily and the show one is fifth
Emmy Award this year. Kevin the Shell on the show
discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow. Please, welcome
to money Making Conversations. My man, Kevin Fraser, my girl
the Shell turn what's going on? Well, you know, it's
(00:44):
it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas,
so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary Heart,
which just it was it was like it was something new.
Now everybody is doing some form, especially with social media,
some form of entertainment. And then to see, you know,
let's be honest to African American leads on this show
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that plays a significant role on how we look at television.
People of color talk about that. Well, I was gonna
say that you know each and every day. It is
kind of a privilege to you look across and you
look at that person and you're like, okay, we get it.
And as you can see, like we spending an ordinate
amount of time together even when we're not on camera.
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I mean my office is right next door through the wall,
and and Michelle is also a crazy, amazing cook, so
she usually brings in food. But you know it is
I feel so blessed and lucky to be able to
look over and see someone who I can identify with
so much, and also someone who has no problem keep
me in check, say here, same here, because we battle,
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we battle behind the scenes, but it's all like to
lift one another up and to have each other raise
our games. Because make no mistake about it, Rashan, I
mean you do see two people of color, you know,
on this show, and as you said, like the leads
of this show, I mean, Kevin officially is the host.
I just kind of try to ride his coattails sometimes.
But but make no mistake about it, like we get
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the weight that that is, and as blessed as we
are to be doing it, I mean there's a weight
to represent um because you know, like people always say,
if if a kid can't see it, they can't believe it.
So the fact that it's Kevin and myself every single
day showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks,
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like what they can be and what they can aspire to.
I mean, it means the world to me. The world Kevin,
Kevin just gotta see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle goes
and walks to the smoothie shop herself as folks, bringing
him a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this
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is He is the host, as you say it. You
said that earlier. So he's representing. She got jokes around here,
because we'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there.
You know it's serious for Sean when he says, can
(03:18):
I just tell you something? So if he says that
within this interview, you know you're about to get some
kind of man's playing craziness going on there. It is there.
It is with the pandemic. Yeah, changing the whole landscape,
because nobody was ready for that. I thought maybe a month.
You know, I'm an entrepreneur, you know, I said my staff,
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they we've been zooming still, and I purchased the building
in Atlanta, but I'm getting the COVID safe, so I
bring my staff back in. So it's that whole mentality
how you look at it. Even though you guys wore
a studio show, how did it really because when you
went to the small screen trying to make it interesting,
trying to get the celebrities to come on, Kevin, how
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did that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable
part of that? It was a lot because you're at
home and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show,
of course with your family walking around. Like my children
at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and
then they were just like a man, I gotta leave
the room again. And so it became a whole thing
of kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody
(04:24):
be quiet. But it was kind of cool because I
think with celebrities, and I mean with Michelle too, because
here's the crazy I was just about saying. Michelle was
homeless when this first happened because her home was being finished.
She just built new house, so she was homeless. I
was living in a hotel for the first two months,
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and then finally moved into her house, but it was
a new house, so it wasn't really all set up,
so getting it all set up and everything ready was
a real challenge for her. I carry around in a
crazy amount of technology with me at all times, so
I had cameras and stuff that I couldn't wait to
use and justify using. But I think it was also
cool because you gotta look inside our lives and you
(05:05):
gotta look inside of the shells lives life like, oh,
you're at home, Oh you're Oh that's what's behind you.
Oh that's what your living room, that's what's in your office. Yeah.
I think that it actually um lets celebrities guards down
a little bit being at home. And I think that
we've done some of the best work, best interviews that
we've ever done during this pandemic because I felt like
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it was easier for me to just be conversational, just
like we're all. It kind of levels the playing field
a little bit because like we all sitting in our
living room on a bad you know, WiFi connection, um
just all trying to make it work, and so it
kind of levels the playing field. So you come into
it a little bit differently than you do when you're
(05:49):
you know, going into a hotel sitting down together or
fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing my slippers, honey,
and the FedEx may and might come knock on the door.
So I'm just warning you ahead of right, And that
happened lots of times, so I thought, I think that
it actually, um was a help to us. And I
think that it helped my interviewing style a lot, because
(06:11):
I just became much more that that's who you are naturally.
You're shells are very like I'm gonna talk to you,
and I'm gonna talk to you very straight. I'm not
cutting anything like I'm a massager. She's like a get
right to the fact. Part of that is, you know
her news that she still works for CNN, so Michelle
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is still like cutting edge journalists, so you will see
her on CNN and entertainment tonight. But I feel like,
you know, Kevin, Kevin is like I always tell him, there, um,
I don't know anybody in this world whose hustle is
harder than this one right here, And like when he's
on his game, he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host
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in the business. And don't ever tell anybody I said
that moment thing. She's just saying that he's the best
entertainment host in this business. Did you live live? We know?
He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year
has been so crazy with entertainment. You have the pandemic
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and then you have the civil unrest, and and that's
why this, that's why the interview was interesting for me
to be a part of and talk to you about,
because you guys played it out right in front of us.
You saw the pandemic hit, and then you saw the
civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors. Broadway shutdown,
you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot
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of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm
like you have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active,
you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your
roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic, you're
that professional guy, you know, leave your personality. So but still,
how did you when when the's stalk away through these
(07:59):
steps the pandemic hit then George Flow and where were
you guys that Emotionally? I was broke. I'm not even
gonna lie I was broken. It was it was it
was and still is tough. I mean, you know, we're
we're taught and I don't know if you felt this
way keV Um, because he is unflappable in a lot
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of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists,
and we're both journalists to be right down the middle.
You know, you don't want to be you want to
appear unbiased, you want to just give people facts. But
when a situation like what happened this summer with the
Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George, I'm
gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder
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of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that, in
my are very you know, the rise up again with
Brianna Taylor, so many things. Um, if we acted like
that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars.
You know. We are black folks first and foremost. And
I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism
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and then and and and inequality also in the workplace.
That it gave me um an opportunity to have a
voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken
out about things. So for me, I did a lot
of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with
UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning
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of things. I was doing an interview about her decision
to step up and start protesting and start really using
her voice in her platform. And I broke down crying
in the middle of the interview. And it just because
I couldn't you know, it was I couldn't do it
anymore because I couldn't keep it together. And here's what
you have to understand about the whole situation. Months before that,
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a few months before that, Michelle went to do an
interview UM with Oprah, Yeah, Michael Jordan and Michael B.
Jordan's the Netflix building and as she came out, UM,
she had this beautiful convertible and these guys cut her off,
and you know, she honked at him, and when they
came to stop, like one of the guys got out wow,
(10:10):
called her and word spit on her and then drove off.
And so tensions were already high here because when she
came back, he was like, let's go find these You know,
your first reaction is like, well, let's go what happened?
I was like, where are you? Let's go find these
dudes and let's go get them, you know, because that's
your natural reaction. But then you know you have to
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calm down. But what settles in on you is the
heaviness of what happened and what occurred because you have
someone who is at the highest point of her career,
someone who is a professional, who is beautiful, who has
done all these things and all these accomplishments, and you
still can't escape the fact that you get into your car,
(10:56):
you're a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down
and spits on you and calls you to m work
and didn't try and you know, it reduces you to
a certain place that you never want to think it can,
but it does. And so like through that, I mean,
you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and
what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful
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and we're both blessed for it. But we also do
a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the
scenes of really trying to make a difference in our
little point, you know, corner of the world, to make
you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like,
the coverage that we do, the content that you see
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on TV. Those are you know, things that we work
on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know,
it's on and people don't see that. A lot of
times I had some people saying to me, well, what
have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all,
don't ever question please please, no I'm blating rain. They're good,
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but you know, respect I said that to Kevin today.
I want my respect. It was but um, but no.
Like so it's still every day. You know, we're Shawn.
It's a it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's
a battle that both of us and talking to each other,
say we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it.
And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here,
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so we kind of all take direction for him. And
he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he
just did you know this is we talk each other
off the ledge. So that's good. That's good, I will
tell you. Because of the heaviness of what had happened before,
when this happened, when the George Bloy thing happened, we
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were just like, who this is crazy, because it's just
it was so much and we were at home and
so we were separated, so we didn't have each other
to kind of sit down and talk to each other.
And my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where
she's from. That was, you know, there's that other thing.
But asked attorney, who is like the wocust woman on
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the planet, so I know. Kevin was like, it's forty
years for your anniversary coming up. Um Emmy Award winning
couple here that I'm talking to. What Emmy Award winning
over here? I'm taking my flowers. Okay, you got me
two times Image Award two times, two times. I know it,
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I know it, I know it. You know the beauty
of Like I said earlier, I started the show Mary
Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going. And then then
Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started dropping in periodically,
you know, and then it became a regular. I didn't
know he was a regular kind of regular, but I
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saw him a lot. And then I guess I gotta
tell you guys about anent thainment that is so important,
that iconic music when it starts that you know, you know,
and Kevin, I gotta tell you, man a lot of times,
you just being a representative of us is so just
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seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me, and
then the share when you came on for Entertainment to
night that allowed me to see two of you guys
attractive vote for Articulate, and still the show's ratings maintained
stature still as a global presence. I just want to
let you know that just keep doing your job, because
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your job enables me to do my job, and that
is all we want to do. Is I've been when
the George Floyd thing happened, A lot of my white
friends called me and they said, is it really like that?
I said yeah. I always said I had never heard
from so many of my white friends. You know what
I'm saying that that's me. Is it really like that?
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I said yeah. It said, how do you do it?
I said, that's just part of the process, you know,
I said, you you get up, you deal with it.
And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not,
I said, but that's part of life. And when I
see the black lives matters and I see white people
walking that and that's important to me. And that's important
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when I see you guys interviewing and doing your job
and interviewing white people. That's important to me. This is
not BT. I'm seeing you guys on this is not
this is not TV one, you guys on the global
presence and when you're distributing in information and then I
see the Emmys this year being played out and seeing
all these African American talents being talk about that reaction
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to the Emmys and the way it was done. It
was produced by my man O, Reginald Hudling. You know
what was interesting about it is your your home and
it's it's you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual, and
so we're like, I don't know, and so you're sitting
there and you're looking. We had a zoom with rebody
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that we work with, and we're looking at what we want.
I was looking at all the people, and so as
you look at all the people, you think about their families,
their kids, their houses, what they are doing and and
what it takes for them just to survive, and how
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important this moment is because this is something for everybody.
So when we want our Emmy, it was like it
was incredible because I felt so proud for those people,
those people that never you never see. I thought it
was an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to,
you know, give us our emmy. So that was that
was really really great. But John, I think you you
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were also talking about and this is important. This is
These are conversations that Kevin and I have often about
having to be the most well rounded people in the building. Um,
we have to be you know, there's the saying you
gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
But we have to be so well rounded because you
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can't just be focused on quote unquote the black celebrities
or the black people or whatever like we do, and
you have to build relationships with everybody, which can be tough.
It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me, because
people don't know all the times I'm I'm as country
as country can be. Like I grew up on are
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you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So?
I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all
don't understand like she could probably drive a tractor, drive
her I'm driving a tractor knows country music. So it
always cracks me up when you walk down on the
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set and she'll play some old school country music on
Its just and it catches people by surprise. I love
watching people's reaction when she starts singing old school country
music and they're like, you know, st now by the way,
he stopped loving her today. It's one of the best
songs ever. It's so beautiful. I wish some man would
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love me till dad died like that child. I listen
to sad sad. But the thing is, it's like, um,
it just goes to show you. And I think that
we've been a good representation of that because Kevin's like
this techy, weirdo guy. You know, I'm this black girl
who loves country music, who like you know, and and
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and hair bands like from the eighties. I love bon Jovi,
that kind of stuff. But I love you know, I
just love it all. But I think that we're a
good representation of how black folks are, not a mono
with you know what I'm saying, and how um. I
think that we've gone a long way to teach the
people here that you can't judge a book by its cover,
because for a lot of times you did, like oh,
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which sometimes feel like my black people go into the
black stories or whatever. But now there's much more of
a broad thinking because it's like, oh, Michelle has a
relationship with Tricia Yearwood because that's what she likes. Or
you know, Kevin Frasier Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl. Like
you know what I'm saying. So those things, I think
you go a long way, um to changing stereotypes and
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you know what I'm saying, and just showing people that
we can do all things and we can be all things.
And um, it's just the same as if I was
a blondhaired white woman. I mean, people can take to
me the same way, so and and and as advice
because I want people to hear what she's saying. We
can do insecure. I can go see Kevin Hart. You
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just sat with Kevin Hart, so that The Crown is
actually my favorite show. But you can also The Crown,
you know what I mean. And so you can't you
can't come up in here thinking, well, I'm gonna do
what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and so you
have to be wellering. And that's why I wanted to say,
that's why it was important that you heard me when
I said I'm not watching b E T. I'm not
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watching TV on you. I'm watching iconic individuals who are
carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's the key. Relatable.
But we look at this the industry. You know, we
thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie theaters
under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I was
interview to be from last Gate. They're nervous. They don't
know if the movies are going to be ready and
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Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground.
What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry
has showing us he can shoot a movie. He can
shoot twenty five episodes in two weeks. Man on the planet,
stop seeing on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest man
on the plane. You know. It's um, I'm not gonna
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like like what I missed most. I'm a movie head.
I missed going to the movies more than anything like
that was my I would go Saturday morning the very
first movie at being there by myself just is the
best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen.
And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest,
you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I
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just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but
every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are
we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I
think that this time for movie makers is going to
be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand,
they get cut of what they're doing, so you will
see these people are making movies and stuff like that.
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It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them
because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios
still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's
a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million
into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith,
no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and
now you can make a movie like, for instance, the
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movie that he's making right now about uh god, I
can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a movie
right now. They just left to make a movie now
and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money for
an insane amount of money, So you're taking out the
the kind of equation where you have to hope people
go to the movies. These people are paying a lot
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of money upfront, or you can make your money on
video demand and people will sit at home. I watched Annabellum,
the second hit video, the Man. It probably would have
taken me a week or two to get there. Yeah.
The interesting thing about it is that what Netflix has
done for me as far as black product, is that
it premieres internationally. You know, when it premieres on Netflix,
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it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in something amazing
because you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black
doesn't sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling
like crazy. They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler
Perry in January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views,
shocked the world. And then we went into the Pandemic
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and it opened up and the Five Bloods and all
these Jamie Fox movie they just came out. Was incredible. Say,
Delroy Lindo handed himself the oscar. Come on, come on,
where he's cutting down the banana leaves. He handed himself
the oscar. And if he does not get it, y'all
about to see me out here protestingated. He gotta get nominated.
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He gotta get nominated. I told dear Roy, I said,
he's got nominated. He will be nominated. I mean, he
gotta get dominated. On the same page with Dear Orlando.
He should get an Oscar nomination. He should win an
Oscar for that, solely based on that one scene. They
ripped him off from Malcolm X. He never got his
due with Malcolm. They owe him one from Malcolm X.
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But this is not even a makeup because he's brilliant
this movie. But I'm saying, well, I get you, I
get you. But he this isn't a makeup. This isn't
like the Denzel makeup because he should have won the
Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't a makeup.
Del Rod. There has not been a better performance this
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year by a male in a movie, yes, in the movie, right, okay, okay,
in a movie than him in The Five Bloods. What
interesting thing about it is that mulan it went straight
to Disney Business, and I told us how much money
they've made so far, at least I've been looking. They've
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not told anybody how many millions they made, charging people
thirty dollars. It's been rumored that if they get ten
percent of there up there um eighty million subscribers, then
they can considerate go anywhere from three hundred million dollars up.
Like you said, Kevin, that's profit. Oh they made they
made the money. But yeah, everybody wash it on the
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first week it finally opened in China, which is their
market that they needed to open in. Right, Ulan is
showing you that, like if you keep it inside your
streaming service and it makes it worth it now for
these streaming services to spend that kind of money. They
looked at and they said, oh, so we can spend
this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and people
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will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon,
and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well,
I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with
Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going
to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will
explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only
thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are
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there is a large community, a large part of the
community who isn't who doesn't have access to the internet
and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters
to see that movie. But I will say this that
if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it
wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown
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our whole life, and then all of a sudden you
watch the Big Chill and and there everybody's like, everybody's like,
oh my god, we love we need some Motown music
of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing
every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening
to all my life. So I think that it will
once again bring that music that you love so much,
give the kids something to watch, and people will watch
it over and over again. If you have a young
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kid as a parent, you already own Disney Plus because
you're like, I can't have you sitting TV enough right now.
I think it'll go now. Michelle, you said that your
favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now. In season four,
I got a sneak peek. My favorite show is Yellowstone. Okay, okay,
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you know you know I'll be telling telling my black friends.
Come on board, Come on board. This is the show.
Yellowstone is like a Western Kevin Costner is brilliant, the
whole cast is crazy. The season finale was a monster.
I can't wait till next summer. I'm mad. I don't
get us. I don't get a sneak preview. And Kevin,
I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner, even though he
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is a superstar, I think he's underrated. I don't think
people give him the love he deserves. I agree with you.
Underrated And I series is it's it's incredible to see.
That's what I love streaming services because it provides those
unique level of programming that we would normally get. And
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that is a jewel, that is a gym. Is that
sitting out there to wait? So any other shows before
we wrap that up? You feel a flying under the
radar that people need to know about that. You guys,
let me let me just say this. Let me just
say it's okay. Hey. My problem is reality television and
I like trashy reality fiancee other way, I don't do that.
(27:39):
I don't do those. NY is crazy is crazy? Oh
my god, it's a great show on the planet. I
can't get it. I mean, I can sit down and
they'll get me caught in a loop and then I
host Married at First Sight all that because I love that,
I mean, I can't. I just it's the whole experiment
of it all. I can't don't know, but I think
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that if if I had to say a scripted series
that I love the most, it's Insecure, because that's so
it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius.
She's a genius, and it's just yeah, she does and
what she does though, it just it doesn't me off
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because she knows just how much to give us. And
then she taketh away and was sitting here like killing me,
killing me. This season was brilliant, like yes, I mean
Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe one a
for me right now. I mean, and because the season
of the Crown is Charles and Diana and all that drama,
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just I can't I can't wait for that. I'm I'm
excited about it early and I can't wait for the Crown.
It's just it's so amazing. Um. There was a show
ex on Hulu did show Mrs America that you can
go find on streaming that Banana is Good. Banana is good,
(29:08):
and it's all about the women's liberation movement and all
the power players within that movement. It, I mean, it
blew me away and I came to the party late.
Um I came to Watchman late, but I forgot about
Shirley Chisholm. That's what I mean. People forgot about Shirley
Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina Regina is can we say, yeah,
I'm doing my team. So I apologize. But I want
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to say this, And the other thing that I have
been telling everybody to watch is go back and watch Reconstruction. Um,
it is a PBS Yes I did. And you need
to understand what happened in the United States because as
we look at this moment right now, a lot of
people don't understand that there was an opportunity to make
this right and that we as a nation said no
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and instead went down a very different in course pass
Jim Crow in segregation, instead of going down a course
where we could have shared power. And there was shared
power for a couple of years and then everything went away.
So I think everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they
can understand what they took from people. And then you
can watch that PBS dormentary is. I just recently watched it,
(30:20):
like a couple of months ago. It's so, so very good.
But I'm like, I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh,
she can let me just say this on I want
to say this right now that he is offered to
give me money to cook for him everything I have
her cook I just said, Michelle, where you cook every
day and bring in the food and I'll just eat it.
(30:42):
Here her gumbo and her at to fe is off
the chain. She can make keto healthy candy and desserts.
I'm just saying, what if. Here's what I was gonna say.
I'm talking about, is the best show on television? Well,
it's on streaming right now. But is the Great British Bakeoff?
(31:04):
It's on Netflix and it is the best show on television.
Chef's Table, Yes, incredible. Yeah, that Rodney Scott interview and
Tutsie interview off the chain? Out Can I go? Can
I go? Find? I just want to sit at Tutsie's
table and you and like, please please please eight team.
(31:31):
It's been thirty minutes and we're still talking minutes. It's
been thirty minutes, and uh, the great part about this
whole relationship. We could continue talking, but I I I
can't let you go. Ra Sean. It's always a pleasure.
And by the way, I know what you and Steve
and A are doing. Y'all doing big things behind the scenes. Coming,
(31:53):
It's just coming. It's coming, and I'm going to recognize
that a lot of people to recognize game. I know
it's I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know
what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well, you know,
just aside, No, man, my life is in such an
amazing place, and uh, I've just purchased a building in
Atlanta and just uh you know my staff and just
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be talking to you guys and just talk about life
and from a black perspective on a major environment like
entertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you
when I sincerely say this, I'm proud of you guys,
and you guys make a huge Black America. And I
shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I see
why because, like you, you guys have a virtatial palette
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of how you receive information, how you live your life.
So when I see you talking to different people, it's
not even out of the norm because you guys consume information,
crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone,
you know about that? Then I know about the chef table.
You know about that. I've not bring up brought up
anything you didn't know about it. I tell everybody though,
(33:04):
I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I treat entertainment
news like a beat. It doesn't matter if we're talking
about you know, um Azerbaijan, if we're talking about um,
you know Kim Kardashian, if we're talking whatever, whatever it is,
like that is your beat. So I treated like politics, sports,
whatever like you get up every day. I read all
(33:25):
of the trade. Understand I consume all the information. You
treat it like a beat. I will walk in and
she'll break some stuff down to me, and I'll be
like what I mean, like break it down? Well, I'm
a nut like that too. And so you guys have
not I and I interview a lot of people, and
so you guys are what you do, your experts at
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what you do, beautiful people. And guess what my goal
now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night. Come
on all this stuff we're about to drop in the
fourth course, having stuff happening with them, the game changing.
I know about it, I know about it. You guys
be safe. Thank you for coming on, Love, go for
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you guys, and keep representing APP you all right, I
can't wait to see what y'all do.
Awesome. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host with
Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the Shell
Turner back on Entertainment tonight after being away six months remotely,
I've been watching y'all on that small screen. Is the
number one entertainment news magazine or television really the world,
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four million viewers daily and the show one is fifth
Emmy Award this year. Kevin the Shell on the show
discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow. Please, welcome
to money Making Conversations. My man, Kevin Fraser, my girl
the Shell turn what's going on? Well, you know, it's
(00:44):
it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas,
so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary Heart,
which just it was it was like it was something new.
Now everybody is doing some form, especially with social media,
some form of entertainment. And then to see, you know,
let's be honest to African American leads on this show
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that plays a significant role on how we look at television.
People of color talk about that. Well, I was gonna
say that you know each and every day. It is
kind of a privilege to you look across and you
look at that person and you're like, okay, we get it.
And as you can see, like we spending an ordinate
amount of time together even when we're not on camera.
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I mean my office is right next door through the wall,
and and Michelle is also a crazy, amazing cook, so
she usually brings in food. But you know it is
I feel so blessed and lucky to be able to
look over and see someone who I can identify with
so much, and also someone who has no problem keep
me in check, say here, same here, because we battle,
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we battle behind the scenes, but it's all like to
lift one another up and to have each other raise
our games. Because make no mistake about it, Rashan, I
mean you do see two people of color, you know,
on this show, and as you said, like the leads
of this show, I mean, Kevin officially is the host.
I just kind of try to ride his coattails sometimes.
But but make no mistake about it, like we get
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the weight that that is, and as blessed as we
are to be doing it, I mean there's a weight
to represent um because you know, like people always say,
if if a kid can't see it, they can't believe it.
So the fact that it's Kevin and myself every single
day showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks,
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like what they can be and what they can aspire to.
I mean, it means the world to me. The world Kevin,
Kevin just gotta see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle goes
and walks to the smoothie shop herself as folks, bringing
him a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this
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is He is the host, as you say it. You
said that earlier. So he's representing. She got jokes around here,
because we'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there.
You know it's serious for Sean when he says, can
(03:18):
I just tell you something? So if he says that
within this interview, you know you're about to get some
kind of man's playing craziness going on there. It is there.
It is with the pandemic. Yeah, changing the whole landscape,
because nobody was ready for that. I thought maybe a month.
You know, I'm an entrepreneur, you know, I said my staff,
(03:39):
they we've been zooming still, and I purchased the building
in Atlanta, but I'm getting the COVID safe, so I
bring my staff back in. So it's that whole mentality
how you look at it. Even though you guys wore
a studio show, how did it really because when you
went to the small screen trying to make it interesting,
trying to get the celebrities to come on, Kevin, how
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did that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable
part of that? It was a lot because you're at
home and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show,
of course with your family walking around. Like my children
at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and
then they were just like a man, I gotta leave
the room again. And so it became a whole thing
of kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody
(04:24):
be quiet. But it was kind of cool because I
think with celebrities, and I mean with Michelle too, because
here's the crazy I was just about saying. Michelle was
homeless when this first happened because her home was being finished.
She just built new house, so she was homeless. I
was living in a hotel for the first two months,
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and then finally moved into her house, but it was
a new house, so it wasn't really all set up,
so getting it all set up and everything ready was
a real challenge for her. I carry around in a
crazy amount of technology with me at all times, so
I had cameras and stuff that I couldn't wait to
use and justify using. But I think it was also
cool because you gotta look inside our lives and you
(05:05):
gotta look inside of the shells lives life like, oh,
you're at home, Oh you're Oh that's what's behind you.
Oh that's what your living room, that's what's in your office. Yeah.
I think that it actually um lets celebrities guards down
a little bit being at home. And I think that
we've done some of the best work, best interviews that
we've ever done during this pandemic because I felt like
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it was easier for me to just be conversational, just
like we're all. It kind of levels the playing field
a little bit because like we all sitting in our
living room on a bad you know, WiFi connection, um
just all trying to make it work, and so it
kind of levels the playing field. So you come into
it a little bit differently than you do when you're
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you know, going into a hotel sitting down together or
fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing my slippers, honey,
and the FedEx may and might come knock on the door.
So I'm just warning you ahead of right, And that
happened lots of times, so I thought, I think that
it actually, um was a help to us. And I
think that it helped my interviewing style a lot, because
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I just became much more that that's who you are naturally.
You're shells are very like I'm gonna talk to you,
and I'm gonna talk to you very straight. I'm not
cutting anything like I'm a massager. She's like a get
right to the fact. Part of that is, you know
her news that she still works for CNN, so Michelle
(06:33):
is still like cutting edge journalists, so you will see
her on CNN and entertainment tonight. But I feel like,
you know, Kevin, Kevin is like I always tell him, there, um,
I don't know anybody in this world whose hustle is
harder than this one right here, And like when he's
on his game, he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host
(06:55):
in the business. And don't ever tell anybody I said
that moment thing. She's just saying that he's the best
entertainment host in this business. Did you live live? We know?
He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year
has been so crazy with entertainment. You have the pandemic
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and then you have the civil unrest, and and that's
why this, that's why the interview was interesting for me
to be a part of and talk to you about,
because you guys played it out right in front of us.
You saw the pandemic hit, and then you saw the
civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors. Broadway shutdown,
you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot
(07:38):
of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm
like you have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active,
you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your
roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic, you're
that professional guy, you know, leave your personality. So but still,
how did you when when the's stalk away through these
(07:59):
steps the pandemic hit then George Flow and where were
you guys that Emotionally? I was broke. I'm not even
gonna lie I was broken. It was it was it
was and still is tough. I mean, you know, we're
we're taught and I don't know if you felt this
way keV Um, because he is unflappable in a lot
(08:20):
of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists,
and we're both journalists to be right down the middle.
You know, you don't want to be you want to
appear unbiased, you want to just give people facts. But
when a situation like what happened this summer with the
Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George, I'm
gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder
(08:41):
of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that, in
my are very you know, the rise up again with
Brianna Taylor, so many things. Um, if we acted like
that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars.
You know. We are black folks first and foremost. And
I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism
(09:03):
and then and and and inequality also in the workplace.
That it gave me um an opportunity to have a
voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken
out about things. So for me, I did a lot
of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with
UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning
(09:25):
of things. I was doing an interview about her decision
to step up and start protesting and start really using
her voice in her platform. And I broke down crying
in the middle of the interview. And it just because
I couldn't you know, it was I couldn't do it
anymore because I couldn't keep it together. And here's what
you have to understand about the whole situation. Months before that,
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a few months before that, Michelle went to do an
interview UM with Oprah, Yeah, Michael Jordan and Michael B.
Jordan's the Netflix building and as she came out, UM,
she had this beautiful convertible and these guys cut her off,
and you know, she honked at him, and when they
came to stop, like one of the guys got out wow,
(10:10):
called her and word spit on her and then drove off.
And so tensions were already high here because when she
came back, he was like, let's go find these You know,
your first reaction is like, well, let's go what happened?
I was like, where are you? Let's go find these
dudes and let's go get them, you know, because that's
your natural reaction. But then you know you have to
(10:32):
calm down. But what settles in on you is the
heaviness of what happened and what occurred because you have
someone who is at the highest point of her career,
someone who is a professional, who is beautiful, who has
done all these things and all these accomplishments, and you
still can't escape the fact that you get into your car,
(10:56):
you're a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down
and spits on you and calls you to m work
and didn't try and you know, it reduces you to
a certain place that you never want to think it can,
but it does. And so like through that, I mean,
you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and
what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful
(11:16):
and we're both blessed for it. But we also do
a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the
scenes of really trying to make a difference in our
little point, you know, corner of the world, to make
you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like,
the coverage that we do, the content that you see
(11:37):
on TV. Those are you know, things that we work
on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know,
it's on and people don't see that. A lot of
times I had some people saying to me, well, what
have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all,
don't ever question please please, no I'm blating rain. They're good,
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but you know, respect I said that to Kevin today.
I want my respect. It was but um, but no.
Like so it's still every day. You know, we're Shawn.
It's a it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's
a battle that both of us and talking to each other,
say we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it.
And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here,
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so we kind of all take direction for him. And
he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he
just did you know this is we talk each other
off the ledge. So that's good. That's good, I will
tell you. Because of the heaviness of what had happened before,
when this happened, when the George Bloy thing happened, we
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were just like, who this is crazy, because it's just
it was so much and we were at home and
so we were separated, so we didn't have each other
to kind of sit down and talk to each other.
And my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where
she's from. That was, you know, there's that other thing.
But asked attorney, who is like the wocust woman on
(13:03):
the planet, so I know. Kevin was like, it's forty
years for your anniversary coming up. Um Emmy Award winning
couple here that I'm talking to. What Emmy Award winning
over here? I'm taking my flowers. Okay, you got me
two times Image Award two times, two times. I know it,
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I know it, I know it. You know the beauty
of Like I said earlier, I started the show Mary
Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going. And then then
Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started dropping in periodically,
you know, and then it became a regular. I didn't
know he was a regular kind of regular, but I
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saw him a lot. And then I guess I gotta
tell you guys about anent thainment that is so important,
that iconic music when it starts that you know, you know,
and Kevin, I gotta tell you, man a lot of times,
you just being a representative of us is so just
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seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me, and
then the share when you came on for Entertainment to
night that allowed me to see two of you guys
attractive vote for Articulate, and still the show's ratings maintained
stature still as a global presence. I just want to
let you know that just keep doing your job, because
(14:36):
your job enables me to do my job, and that
is all we want to do. Is I've been when
the George Floyd thing happened, A lot of my white
friends called me and they said, is it really like that?
I said yeah. I always said I had never heard
from so many of my white friends. You know what
I'm saying that that's me. Is it really like that?
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I said yeah. It said, how do you do it?
I said, that's just part of the process, you know,
I said, you you get up, you deal with it.
And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not,
I said, but that's part of life. And when I
see the black lives matters and I see white people
walking that and that's important to me. And that's important
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when I see you guys interviewing and doing your job
and interviewing white people. That's important to me. This is
not BT. I'm seeing you guys on this is not
this is not TV one, you guys on the global
presence and when you're distributing in information and then I
see the Emmys this year being played out and seeing
all these African American talents being talk about that reaction
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to the Emmys and the way it was done. It
was produced by my man O, Reginald Hudling. You know
what was interesting about it is your your home and
it's it's you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual, and
so we're like, I don't know, and so you're sitting
there and you're looking. We had a zoom with rebody
(16:00):
that we work with, and we're looking at what we want.
I was looking at all the people, and so as
you look at all the people, you think about their families,
their kids, their houses, what they are doing and and
what it takes for them just to survive, and how
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important this moment is because this is something for everybody.
So when we want our Emmy, it was like it
was incredible because I felt so proud for those people,
those people that never you never see. I thought it
was an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to,
you know, give us our emmy. So that was that
was really really great. But John, I think you you
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were also talking about and this is important. This is
These are conversations that Kevin and I have often about
having to be the most well rounded people in the building. Um,
we have to be you know, there's the saying you
gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
But we have to be so well rounded because you
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can't just be focused on quote unquote the black celebrities
or the black people or whatever like we do, and
you have to build relationships with everybody, which can be tough.
It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me, because
people don't know all the times I'm I'm as country
as country can be. Like I grew up on are
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you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So?
I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all
don't understand like she could probably drive a tractor, drive
her I'm driving a tractor knows country music. So it
always cracks me up when you walk down on the
(17:44):
set and she'll play some old school country music on
Its just and it catches people by surprise. I love
watching people's reaction when she starts singing old school country
music and they're like, you know, st now by the way,
he stopped loving her today. It's one of the best
songs ever. It's so beautiful. I wish some man would
(18:05):
love me till dad died like that child. I listen
to sad sad. But the thing is, it's like, um,
it just goes to show you. And I think that
we've been a good representation of that because Kevin's like
this techy, weirdo guy. You know, I'm this black girl
who loves country music, who like you know, and and
(18:26):
and hair bands like from the eighties. I love bon Jovi,
that kind of stuff. But I love you know, I
just love it all. But I think that we're a
good representation of how black folks are, not a mono
with you know what I'm saying, and how um. I
think that we've gone a long way to teach the
people here that you can't judge a book by its cover,
because for a lot of times you did, like oh,
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which sometimes feel like my black people go into the
black stories or whatever. But now there's much more of
a broad thinking because it's like, oh, Michelle has a
relationship with Tricia Yearwood because that's what she likes. Or
you know, Kevin Frasier Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl. Like
you know what I'm saying. So those things, I think
you go a long way, um to changing stereotypes and
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you know what I'm saying, and just showing people that
we can do all things and we can be all things.
And um, it's just the same as if I was
a blondhaired white woman. I mean, people can take to
me the same way, so and and and as advice
because I want people to hear what she's saying. We
can do insecure. I can go see Kevin Hart. You
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just sat with Kevin Hart, so that The Crown is
actually my favorite show. But you can also The Crown,
you know what I mean. And so you can't you
can't come up in here thinking, well, I'm gonna do
what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and so you
have to be wellering. And that's why I wanted to say,
that's why it was important that you heard me when
I said I'm not watching b E T. I'm not
(19:51):
watching TV on you. I'm watching iconic individuals who are
carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's the key. Relatable.
But we look at this the industry. You know, we
thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie theaters
under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I was
interview to be from last Gate. They're nervous. They don't
know if the movies are going to be ready and
(20:11):
Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground.
What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry
has showing us he can shoot a movie. He can
shoot twenty five episodes in two weeks. Man on the planet,
stop seeing on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest man
on the plane. You know. It's um, I'm not gonna
(20:35):
like like what I missed most. I'm a movie head.
I missed going to the movies more than anything like
that was my I would go Saturday morning the very
first movie at being there by myself just is the
best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen.
And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest,
you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I
(20:58):
just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but
every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are
we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I
think that this time for movie makers is going to
be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand,
they get cut of what they're doing, so you will
see these people are making movies and stuff like that.
(21:20):
It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them
because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios
still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's
a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million
into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith,
no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and
now you can make a movie like, for instance, the
(21:43):
movie that he's making right now about uh god, I
can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a movie
right now. They just left to make a movie now
and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money for
an insane amount of money, So you're taking out the
the kind of equation where you have to hope people
go to the movies. These people are paying a lot
(22:03):
of money upfront, or you can make your money on
video demand and people will sit at home. I watched Annabellum,
the second hit video, the Man. It probably would have
taken me a week or two to get there. Yeah.
The interesting thing about it is that what Netflix has
done for me as far as black product, is that
it premieres internationally. You know, when it premieres on Netflix,
(22:26):
it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in something amazing
because you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black
doesn't sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling
like crazy. They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler
Perry in January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views,
shocked the world. And then we went into the Pandemic
(22:48):
and it opened up and the Five Bloods and all
these Jamie Fox movie they just came out. Was incredible. Say,
Delroy Lindo handed himself the oscar. Come on, come on,
where he's cutting down the banana leaves. He handed himself
the oscar. And if he does not get it, y'all
about to see me out here protestingated. He gotta get nominated.
(23:13):
He gotta get nominated. I told dear Roy, I said,
he's got nominated. He will be nominated. I mean, he
gotta get dominated. On the same page with Dear Orlando.
He should get an Oscar nomination. He should win an
Oscar for that, solely based on that one scene. They
ripped him off from Malcolm X. He never got his
due with Malcolm. They owe him one from Malcolm X.
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But this is not even a makeup because he's brilliant
this movie. But I'm saying, well, I get you, I
get you. But he this isn't a makeup. This isn't
like the Denzel makeup because he should have won the
Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't a makeup.
Del Rod. There has not been a better performance this
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year by a male in a movie, yes, in the movie, right, okay, okay,
in a movie than him in The Five Bloods. What
interesting thing about it is that mulan it went straight
to Disney Business, and I told us how much money
they've made so far, at least I've been looking. They've
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not told anybody how many millions they made, charging people
thirty dollars. It's been rumored that if they get ten
percent of there up there um eighty million subscribers, then
they can considerate go anywhere from three hundred million dollars up.
Like you said, Kevin, that's profit. Oh they made they
made the money. But yeah, everybody wash it on the
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first week it finally opened in China, which is their
market that they needed to open in. Right, Ulan is
showing you that, like if you keep it inside your
streaming service and it makes it worth it now for
these streaming services to spend that kind of money. They
looked at and they said, oh, so we can spend
this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and people
(24:57):
will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon,
and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well,
I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with
Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going
to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will
explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only
thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are
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there is a large community, a large part of the
community who isn't who doesn't have access to the internet
and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters
to see that movie. But I will say this that
if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it
wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown
(25:43):
our whole life, and then all of a sudden you
watch the Big Chill and and there everybody's like, everybody's like,
oh my god, we love we need some Motown music
of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing
every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening
to all my life. So I think that it will
once again bring that music that you love so much,
give the kids something to watch, and people will watch
it over and over again. If you have a young
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kid as a parent, you already own Disney Plus because
you're like, I can't have you sitting TV enough right now.
I think it'll go now. Michelle, you said that your
favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now. In season four,
I got a sneak peek. My favorite show is Yellowstone. Okay, okay,
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you know you know I'll be telling telling my black friends.
Come on board, Come on board. This is the show.
Yellowstone is like a Western Kevin Costner is brilliant, the
whole cast is crazy. The season finale was a monster.
I can't wait till next summer. I'm mad. I don't
get us. I don't get a sneak preview. And Kevin,
I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner, even though he
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is a superstar, I think he's underrated. I don't think
people give him the love he deserves. I agree with you.
Underrated And I series is it's it's incredible to see.
That's what I love streaming services because it provides those
unique level of programming that we would normally get. And
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that is a jewel, that is a gym. Is that
sitting out there to wait? So any other shows before
we wrap that up? You feel a flying under the
radar that people need to know about that. You guys,
let me let me just say this. Let me just
say it's okay. Hey. My problem is reality television and
I like trashy reality fiancee other way, I don't do that.
(27:39):
I don't do those. NY is crazy is crazy? Oh
my god, it's a great show on the planet. I
can't get it. I mean, I can sit down and
they'll get me caught in a loop and then I
host Married at First Sight all that because I love that,
I mean, I can't. I just it's the whole experiment
of it all. I can't don't know, but I think
(28:00):
that if if I had to say a scripted series
that I love the most, it's Insecure, because that's so
it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius.
She's a genius, and it's just yeah, she does and
what she does though, it just it doesn't me off
(28:20):
because she knows just how much to give us. And
then she taketh away and was sitting here like killing me,
killing me. This season was brilliant, like yes, I mean
Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe one a
for me right now. I mean, and because the season
of the Crown is Charles and Diana and all that drama,
(28:47):
just I can't I can't wait for that. I'm I'm
excited about it early and I can't wait for the Crown.
It's just it's so amazing. Um. There was a show
ex on Hulu did show Mrs America that you can
go find on streaming that Banana is Good. Banana is good,
(29:08):
and it's all about the women's liberation movement and all
the power players within that movement. It, I mean, it
blew me away and I came to the party late.
Um I came to Watchman late, but I forgot about
Shirley Chisholm. That's what I mean. People forgot about Shirley
Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina Regina is can we say, yeah,
I'm doing my team. So I apologize. But I want
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to say this, And the other thing that I have
been telling everybody to watch is go back and watch Reconstruction. Um,
it is a PBS Yes I did. And you need
to understand what happened in the United States because as
we look at this moment right now, a lot of
people don't understand that there was an opportunity to make
this right and that we as a nation said no
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and instead went down a very different in course pass
Jim Crow in segregation, instead of going down a course
where we could have shared power. And there was shared
power for a couple of years and then everything went away.
So I think everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they
can understand what they took from people. And then you
can watch that PBS dormentary is. I just recently watched it,
(30:20):
like a couple of months ago. It's so, so very good.
But I'm like, I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh,
she can let me just say this on I want
to say this right now that he is offered to
give me money to cook for him everything I have
her cook I just said, Michelle, where you cook every
day and bring in the food and I'll just eat it.
(30:42):
Here her gumbo and her at to fe is off
the chain. She can make keto healthy candy and desserts.
I'm just saying, what if. Here's what I was gonna say.
I'm talking about, is the best show on television? Well,
it's on streaming right now. But is the Great British Bakeoff?
(31:04):
It's on Netflix and it is the best show on television.
Chef's Table, Yes, incredible. Yeah, that Rodney Scott interview and
Tutsie interview off the chain? Out Can I go? Can
I go? Find? I just want to sit at Tutsie's
table and you and like, please please please eight team.
(31:31):
It's been thirty minutes and we're still talking minutes. It's
been thirty minutes, and uh, the great part about this
whole relationship. We could continue talking, but I I I
can't let you go. Ra Sean. It's always a pleasure.
And by the way, I know what you and Steve
and A are doing. Y'all doing big things behind the scenes. Coming,
(31:53):
It's just coming. It's coming, and I'm going to recognize
that a lot of people to recognize game. I know
it's I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know
what you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well, you know,
just aside, No, man, my life is in such an
amazing place, and uh, I've just purchased a building in
Atlanta and just uh you know my staff and just
(32:15):
be talking to you guys and just talk about life
and from a black perspective on a major environment like
entertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you
when I sincerely say this, I'm proud of you guys,
and you guys make a huge Black America. And I
shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I see
why because, like you, you guys have a virtatial palette
(32:39):
of how you receive information, how you live your life.
So when I see you talking to different people, it's
not even out of the norm because you guys consume information,
crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone,
you know about that? Then I know about the chef table.
You know about that. I've not bring up brought up
anything you didn't know about it. I tell everybody though,
(33:04):
I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I treat entertainment
news like a beat. It doesn't matter if we're talking
about you know, um Azerbaijan, if we're talking about um,
you know Kim Kardashian, if we're talking whatever, whatever it is,
like that is your beat. So I treated like politics, sports,
whatever like you get up every day. I read all
(33:25):
of the trade. Understand I consume all the information. You
treat it like a beat. I will walk in and
she'll break some stuff down to me, and I'll be
like what I mean, like break it down? Well, I'm
a nut like that too. And so you guys have
not I and I interview a lot of people, and
so you guys are what you do, your experts at
(33:47):
what you do, beautiful people. And guess what my goal
now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night. Come
on all this stuff we're about to drop in the
fourth course, having stuff happening with them, the game changing.
I know about it, I know about it. You guys
be safe. Thank you for coming on, Love, go for
(34:09):
you guys, and keep representing APP you all right, I
can't wait to see what y'all do.
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Rushion McDonald
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