June 10, 2020 • 32 mins
Clarke Peters and Isiah Whitlock Jr. starred on the critically acclaimed HBO series The Wire, and both of their careers span more than four decades of acting and directing. In addition to co-starring in the Netflix Film, Da 5 Bloods, Clarke Peters can also be seen in HBO's fantasy TV series "His Dark Materials," the critically acclaimed film, "Harriet" about Harriet Tubman and new Apple series Foundation. Isiah Whitlock Jr., other notable film credits include BlacKkKlansman, Pete's Dragon, Cedar Rapids, and he will co-star opposite Brian Cranston in a new Showtime limited series called "Your Honor." Da 5 Bloods is streaming on Netflix. DA 5 Bloods is a movie about 5 guys who served together in Vietnam but is also a movie about Black history. It plays out like a reunion movie, but you guys are treasure hunters! DA 5 Bloods consistent of Stormin Norman (Chadwick Boseman) Paul (Delroy Lindo) Eddie (Norm Lewis) Otis (Clarke Peters) Melvin (Isiah Whitlock Jr.) also on this journey you have Paul's son David, played by Jonathan Majors. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Clarke Peters and Isiah Whitlock Jr.
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series The Wire, and both of their careers span more
than four decades of acting and directing. In addition to
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coach starring in the Netflix film The Five Bloods, which
is outstanding. By the way. Clark Peters can also be
seen in HBO's fantasy TV series His Dark Material, the
critical acclaimed film Harriet Saw That Too, about Harriet Tubman
and the New Apple Serious Foundation. My man down in
New Orleans right now. Isaiah Whitlock Jr. Ollible. Notable film
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credits include Black Klansman, Saw That, Pete Dragon, See the Rapids,
and he would co star opposite my man Brian Cranston
in a new short time limited series Call Your Honor.
The Five Bloods is premiering on Netflix on June twelve.
Please Walk on the Money. Main conversations my man Clark Peters,
who's in London, And Isaiah Whitlock Jr. Who's in New Orleans.
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How you guys, fellows, how are you doing? Fellers? Lovely
introduction brother, Well, first of all, that's a shortened version
of how great you guys resumes look. And I just
appreciate you guys. Allow me to pull some nuggets out
of your resume, just to let the world know how
special you two are and and and also how special
this movie, The Five Bloods is really about. But before
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I just want to act a question right quick for
each one of you. Peters, How did you get started
acting and what was your first major project? Can you
ask that question from me? Yes, I got started following
my my older brother first of all, as as children,
we always wanted to perform together. He went to Paris
u in around nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine somewhere
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on a sabbatical from school, and I went over to
visit him while he was performing in the musical hair
I um um. And short story is that he didn't
show up one night and I went on on his
place and that was my first That was my first
gig there for your older brother. Okay, you know well,
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and he didn't and he didn't bother to come back,
so I think it. Okay, I got I got the family, Cleverard.
You know, I'm make of the families at least going
to be represented. You know. I love that. Isaiah, how
you do? Man? Hockey asked, how did you started acting
and what was your first major project? You know? I um,
I got started acting. I got into college on a
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athletic scholarship and uh, one day Brenda Mind said they
were going to us to audition for a play. And
if I wanted to come along, and I did. They
had me get up and read. I got the part.
She didn't. She never spoke to me again. Okay, so
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you know so, But the way I like to look
at it, No, it doesn't matter how you got there,
as long as you did. You know, it's been it's
been quite a career. Well this is beautiful. You know,
he ran his brother out of the country and you
just stopped talking to somebody. I love that. That's that's how.
That's how I'm talking to my man. Clark Peters and
Isaiah went like Junior did. Two stars of the movie
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The Five Bloods, which will be premiered on Netflix on
June twelve. Now, The Five Bloods moved by five guys
who served time together in Vietnam. But there's also a
movie by black history. If you guys can expound, because
that's really Spike Leeman. He's something else. Now, you know,
I'm enjoying the movie and he just dropping these nuggets
and I was. I was sitting to my wife, I go,
you know, he telling us about black history. You know,
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she said, that's black history right there, that's black history
right there. And so that was beautiful. How you laid
that in there. Comment on that both of y'all, I'd
like to hear from both sides of it. Go ahead,
le well, you know, I don't think you can do
one with this movie. I don't think you could do
one without the other, because I think by dropping, you know,
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those nuggets of black history into the film, you began
to understand the dynamics of what these brothers were going through,
you know, and uh, what they were feeling. So you
had to do. To me, it always seemed like you
had to do votes together to be able to get
the impact. If you just did one, you didn't quite
get it. But when you sort of backed it up
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with that Black history lesson, you began to see and
understand and feel the dynamics of the film. Also, I
think what you're getting is not only the the the
context of in which these men were serving, but you're
also getting their point of view on the existence of
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African Americans in the States and the and the breadth
of experiences that we have politically and spiritually, so forth
and so on. And yet as diverse as these brothers were,
you know, they had all gone in separate ways once
they once they left and had a merit of experiences,
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yet they still maintain the love for each other, which
appears to be somewhere missing today. You know, that type
that that type of brotherhood, and even that is commented
on on in the in the in the piece, and
Spike has a way of doing that. You know, I'm
glad that he I'm glad he's the megaphone you know,
for uh, you know, for for for us. You know,
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there should be more, but you know, we understand the
context within which he exists, you know, in that world,
and just so many are gonna get out there to
reach just so many, you know. But I'm glad, I'm
glad that we were certainly a part of part of this.
You know that that's our craft, is foot that's how
our craft should be used, you know, for sure. You know,
the beauty of this movie was, first of all, it
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was let's let's break down the character to Five Bloods
consisted of Storm and Norman. That was played by the
Black Panther he always been known as the Black Panther,
Chadwick Boseman and then my brother Paul as I was
playing his character is played by Darre Orlando and Eddie
that was Norm Lewis Otis that was you Pluck Peters
and then may Alvin use Isaiah or that was Malvine
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was played by Isaiah Withlock Jr. Also on the journey
was Paul's son who just David, played by Jonathan Major's. Now,
you guys, first of all, the music was outstanding. That
music should have been just a tribute to Marvin Gaye
because uh it yes, yes, you know his brilliance. Uh
it was timeless because I guess what, it's one of
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the all time great albums at the time and just
a generational talent because that music is can be played
right now and be very relevant. Now when you guys
got the script, okay, because it was it set in
Vietnam and you guys shooting locally, what did you shoot
at the movie at both Vietnam and Thailand? Uh? Pretty
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much the Jungles of Tyler or the Jungles. Okay, cool, Now,
I have fun watching you guys try to dance. Okay
in the beginning, Okay, I'm just gonna throw it out there,
you know, you know, oh no, no, I said you
had that little you had that little skippy going It
looks skippy the hop going ground. I was I was
getting look okay, and Dan, and then Peter's he gonna
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close out with the funky chicken. You know you can't
dance if you're doing the funky chicken. You know I
had a drink in my hand. That's true. That's true.
That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true.
That's true. So so I'm feel I'm an Apoculas now
jamming with you guys. Damn what you guys say? Okay,
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Peter's he can't dance, he's doing the chicken. At least
I said. You was hanging in there with the little drink,
had the little rock step going, and Darrel, are you
know he really had the little like Darrell dancing closer
to me because let me out saying, hey, so Darrow
kind of had my my smoothness. And and Paul norm
we need to stop. No, I'm really really need to
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stop acting like his a little pigeon told Knock needed behind.
He really need to stop acting like he could bask
the part. You didn't see me getting oxygen. Oh, this
is fun, this is fun, and I'm having fun with
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you because over let everybody know, this is a reunion movie.
But it's also it's a family movie and it's my
friends learning about each other. And then it's a treasure
hunting movie too, mm hmm, with the Treasure of Sierra Madre. Y. Yeah,
you know it was. It was so fun. I was
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watching the movie. I said, you know what, I was
just gonna be real, like you, I've never seen this
in a black movie like this, not just usually. That's
what spike do you spike and give you something that
you never saw And I supposedly drawn genres and y'all
did it so well. You got you out there, Isaiah
with the metal detector. You were funniest heck. You know. Peters,
you out there with a bad hip. You was funniest
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heck and stubborn with a bad hip. So so I'll
start with you, Isaiah, tell everybody about your character because
we're gonna have fun with this, and then Peters you
follow them up. Okay, you know in Melvine, Melvine, he
was he was He was supposed to be the youngest
of the group, and he had lied, he had lied
about his age to get into the service. But he
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was sort of like this free spirit, you know, he
didn't really he didn't really have the you know, those
strong moral values and things like that. I mean, I'm
not gonna say he didn't have any, but he was
more of a black and white kind of person. It
is what it is. Uh. You know, you want you
want to you want to talk about reparations. Well, I'm
looking at all this gold here, I got mine, you know.
(11:35):
So he you know, he was, he was, you know,
he was pretty much a matter of fact, that being said,
you know, when push came to shove, I mean, he was,
he was. He was a real soldier and he was
he was very protective with the guys around him, and
um uh you couldn't you couldn't really sell them short,
you know. But I wanted people to sort of feel that,
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you know that you know, he was a bit up,
a fun loving guy. I mean, you know, he's the
first time you see us in the movie. I'm at
the counter my credit card, but I got a drink already.
I saw that. I saw that he gonna come and
try and whipped out his black card like he's somebody
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I gotta I gotta drink. Before I even checked in.
I came there to do I can't. And you know
the thing is, I had to explain to someone the
other day about the Dad because they had seen the movie,
and they said, well, you know, I like the way
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Spike uh he added some modern touches and I said,
what do you mean. They said, well, the handshakes and
stuff like that, and I said, no, no, no, that's
that's all of that started during the Vietnam War. That's
not you know, uh, that's not a basketball thing. I
loved to see it, you know, And I said, you know,
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all of that came out of that, but it was
there was there was there was, there was a bond
there and it showed like what part of Vietnam you
had served it from things like that, so you really
had to kind of embrace it and um and that's
what my character did and it really did and it
was great, all right there, Clark, I apologize that was
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supposed to have It is an acronym for something. I
can't quite remember what it. What it was for d
A P. What was that? Can you remember, Isaiah? I
can't remember. No, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's um.
It was an an acronym for something I can't I
can't quite remember. But when we realized that it that
it was more than just a greeting. It took on
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a whole another thing. I think for all of us.
You know, it's you know, because not not everyone, not
everyone had the same the same depth, you know, so
you knew that if you gave a certain depth, that
you were from a certain unit in a certain time,
and you know it was it was it was our drum.
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It was it was our drum. You know, they can
take away to drum, but they can't take wig skin.
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T E R dot ai. What what? What I also
realized was that even if we were doing it, we
all had our we all had our favorite death right.
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There were some who were better than others in certain
areas of the death, and we all had our favorite depth.
So you have to learn all of them because you
never knew what you were going to get hit with.
You know. That's that's that that part of the dapping program.
I would have been left off. I've been left off
the dapping And I was born in that era. I
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was boring in the era the bump, all that good
stuffing chicken. I had it all down, pat. The great
thing about your character, Peters was that you are medic
and so and I'd say that's great because you know,
we've seen you know, that shows that there was educated
black men participating other than just shooting a gun, you
were saving lives. I think that was a calculated character
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development for Spike in this movie. Correct, yes, uh. And
and also with with his history, you know, and with
these particular brothers with these five bloods. You know, he
had seen parts of their bodies and inside that they
had never seen before. You know, you know he is
he taking bullets out of them, showed them up, you know. Uh,
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he kept their morale together in the in the field
and as we see also later on when when we
when we had the reunion. You know, I love his humanity.
I love that that that we are allowed to express
our humanity like this because he's not a fictitious character.
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You know, there were brothers like this absolutely, and there
are brothers like this and women who are like this today.
So you know, it was it was an honor to
celebrate to where that that that that persona you know,
for myself, I find it easy because I love these brothers,
you know, I love them off off off the camera,
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you know, Isaia and I go go way back, you know,
So it's easy. It's easy to have this camaraderie and
have this fun, you know, and to look after them.
And oddly enough, you feel like you're you know, it's
sometimes you're not supposed to carry your your your work home,
you know, but I didn't mind carrying Otis back back
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to the hotel with me. You know, most night, you know,
and still hanging on out with with the brothers and
keeping an eye on them. You know, we were we
were in a situation over there in Thailand last year
where we were wearing masks, you know, because because the
weather was so bad, and I found myself making sure
that you know, we all right, you know, and you
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know that's awesome thing. We also needed one another, you know,
I mean, there's such a you know, we knew we
were in for. The days were hard, the days were long,
the days were hot, and we just desperately needed one another.
We needed to pick each other up and make sure
that each other were okay. Yeah, I think it was hot.
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I know it got hot when I was out there
looking for the goal. Not that it got hot there. Brother.
I knew it was because because I said, you looked
like it was hot. You look like when you said, look, man,
I'm looking for the goal. I ain't picking up nothing.
I said, he ain't acting, now, honey, he's not acting.
It was Remember I said, he's got acting before I'm
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talking to my man. Cluck Beaters and Isaiah with Lock
of two stars of the movie The Five Bloods, premier
on Netflix on June twelve. What you're about to say, Isaiah, No,
but there was there was one shot in the movie
where I looked at myself and I said, I said,
and I really looked that damn bad. I mean, it
just seemed like each other. Hey man, man, when you
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was out that looking for that, I said, when you
was out there looking for paint and you don't had
the little meter out there, little melo detector. You you
were hot, brother, you were hot. You were looking for
some cold water, some ice water, some a when they're
gonna call cut something here because this is some real
heat out here, trailers what I was looking for. It's
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two other dynamic characters that Paul. I just gotta said
by Darryl or Lindo what he did in this movie
as the character Paul. I'm gonna tell you some all
you guys get fantastic jobs, amazing job. He has some monologues. Man,
if we don't see him in some nominations in the fall,
I'm gonna be really really hurt because you know it
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out there, man, he laid it out to make sure.
Make sure you expressed that hurt there too. Russian, because
you know there's there's uh that one scene where he
bocks off, you know, and he right, you know what
I'm talking about that on that particular day, you know,
it was it was a pretty intense day. You remember
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this Isaiah. He walked off and it was like God
was with him, Nature was with him, because a storm
came up from nowhere, a storm came up from nowhere,
and my man was just riding the energy of that storm.
And you couldn't help but to feel You couldn't help
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but to feel the emotion and wherever he was going
in his spirit, to find that the earth and God
was with him. And we hope that that comes on
through all it does it does. First of all, it's
a hurt soul or all, you guys, his character was
the hurt character. That the character he was still carrying
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Vietnam window. Later on we find out why, but he
still was carrying PTSD. Was all in his spirit. He
never was able to walk away or have a life
or have a life with his son who and his
son I want to get more detail, but that the
whole breakdown was amazing and told a different story besides
the five bloods in that relationship as it as it
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grew out. But it was interesting I was reading the
article about that uh that Spike Lee says. He said,
there was no c G I budget to make you
make my man look younger doing the flashbacks. Okay, that's
what Spike said. And I'm gonna tell you guys something.
You know, I always your people when you dream or
you think back. You never see yourself when you dream,
and you think that you only see what you see, Okay,
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And so so when you guys were having those flashbacks,
I always saw it from you guys perspective. He was
supposed to be younger. Okay, he was, because it would
be told from your perspectives. And if first of all
such brilliant acting, it didn't matter. So I was. I
always stayed in the moment during the flashbacks because you
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guys were going bad act to where you were thinking
about when you're younger. Hey, whenever I think about somebody,
but I hope to God I don't think of somebody.
Look at my age now in the seventies. When I'm
thinking about how that person looked into seventies, that person
looks like that person in the seventies, and I am
who I am today. It was brilliantly, I know, he said, that,
but as you want to tell you, guys, it worried.
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You know the thing is that when you start tinkering,
tinkering around with the c g I, you know, then
the audience, the audience watching it, they're they're they're they're
no longer paying attention to the story. They're paying attention
to you trying to look younger. And by by us
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just being ourselves standing in the moment, date in the story,
date in the moment, dated the story, you didn't have
you were you were not distracted. It's what I'm trying
to say absolutely that I always tell people black and
white movies, you had to act in black and white movies.
You had to be able to act when they started
adding that color and all that stuff. The background, the
sun sae sunset was yellow. You know, they could have
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some bad acting. When you, guys went from from the
younger character and then you went back to the Vietnam
I felt it was real. I felt the emotion, I
felt the pain, I felt the journey. Just a fantastic jaw,
A great movie. The Five Blood premiers June twelfth on Netflix.
But before I go, I'll be I'll be remissed because
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we know the times that we're both all three of
us African American men, and we'll be remissed to talk
about how this pandemic or COVID ninteen is affecting our community.
Uh in April when when the CDC came out, it's
of the affective patients in Atlanta, or African Americans in
New Orleans, the state of Louisiana, seven out of ten
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in Chicago, for in Detroit. We are a race of
people who are overly affected by this in a country
that's not understanding how they can take care of themselves.
Don't take care of us. Any comments on the Russians?
Can I can I put cannec with this to here?
You know, I wasn't in the States when it when
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when the when that those figures came out, and and
I don't want it, and I repeat this. I do
not want to minimize the pandemic or the importance of
any virus that's in the air that is affecting human beings.
I'm not minimizing that at all. But what you guys
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were getting over there as one bit of information, we
were getting the complete opposite over here. What we got
over here was that it was not something that was
affecting people of color. What we got over here was
that it was going after the after the elderly first
and those who were whose immune systems were compromised. It
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was not And if anything, the young blood's over here
were saying, well, it doesn't bother people of Afro Caribbean descent.
That's what was going on here. Now we've been around
long enough. We've been around long enough to know how
how a machine will will effect or use people of color,
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people of a lesser uh circumstance, for its own means.
You know, Now we have not only the pandemic, but
we also have this five G thing that's going up
as well, running alongside right. Well, I see that and that,
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and that is exactly my point. We don't know. We
don't know, because you get something over here, you get
something over there. But what I do know is this
is that Tuskegee was an experiment. You know. What I
do know is that when the pilgrims came on over
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to the New Land and and they wanted some they
want some land, they gave the indigenous people some blankets.
You know, I do know that according to history, you know,
that first pandemic, that came through in nineteen in the
early nineteen hundreds was on the back of the introduction
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of X rays into the world. So I'm and like
I said, I'm saying, there's not to minimize the the
but I think that one needs to really be uh,
to think through and use your mind and do not
give up the responsibility of your health to somebody else.
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Thank you, Do not give it up to somebody else.
You know, God gave you that body and that mind
for you to work within that temple and for you
to keep that clean, for you to look after that.
But you know what I think about I'm sorry. I'm sorry, no,
but not don't mean to cut you off, Clark. No. Yeah,
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I was pretty much done because like I'm moving to
the edge of my seat now and I was standing
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going forward it needs to be fixed. All of this
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absolutely here's the deal. I want to thank both of
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time talking to you guys, It's been amazingly fun. I
don't wanna you know, they gave me a time limit.
That's why I don't want to go beyond that. Clark
Peters Eyes with Like Juniors, two of the stars of
The Five Bloods, premiering on Netflix on Junil twelve. Guys,
(30:18):
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than it's a great movie and go see it on
Netflix and uh, making a trending movie, making number one
for about five or six weeks, and let's tet some
million beings on it and all that good stuff. Because
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than four decades of acting and directing. In addition to
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coach starring in the Netflix film The Five Bloods, which
is outstanding. By the way. Clark Peters can also be
seen in HBO's fantasy TV series His Dark Material, the
critical acclaimed film Harriet Saw That Too, about Harriet Tubman
and the New Apple Serious Foundation. My man down in
New Orleans right now. Isaiah Whitlock Jr. Ollible. Notable film
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credits include Black Klansman, Saw That, Pete Dragon, See the Rapids,
and he would co star opposite my man Brian Cranston
in a new short time limited series Call Your Honor.
The Five Bloods is premiering on Netflix on June twelve.
Please Walk on the Money. Main conversations my man Clark Peters,
who's in London, And Isaiah Whitlock Jr. Who's in New Orleans.
(02:49):
How you guys, fellows, how are you doing? Fellers? Lovely
introduction brother, Well, first of all, that's a shortened version
of how great you guys resumes look. And I just
appreciate you guys. Allow me to pull some nuggets out
of your resume, just to let the world know how
special you two are and and and also how special
this movie, The Five Bloods is really about. But before
(03:12):
I just want to act a question right quick for
each one of you. Peters, How did you get started
acting and what was your first major project? Can you
ask that question from me? Yes, I got started following
my my older brother first of all, as as children,
we always wanted to perform together. He went to Paris
u in around nineteen sixty eight or sixty nine somewhere
(03:33):
on a sabbatical from school, and I went over to
visit him while he was performing in the musical hair
I um um. And short story is that he didn't
show up one night and I went on on his
place and that was my first That was my first
gig there for your older brother. Okay, you know well,
(03:54):
and he didn't and he didn't bother to come back,
so I think it. Okay, I got I got the family, Cleverard.
You know, I'm make of the families at least going
to be represented. You know. I love that. Isaiah, how
you do? Man? Hockey asked, how did you started acting
and what was your first major project? You know? I um,
I got started acting. I got into college on a
(04:16):
athletic scholarship and uh, one day Brenda Mind said they
were going to us to audition for a play. And
if I wanted to come along, and I did. They
had me get up and read. I got the part.
She didn't. She never spoke to me again. Okay, so
(04:39):
you know so, But the way I like to look
at it, No, it doesn't matter how you got there,
as long as you did. You know, it's been it's
been quite a career. Well this is beautiful. You know,
he ran his brother out of the country and you
just stopped talking to somebody. I love that. That's that's how.
That's how I'm talking to my man. Clark Peters and
Isaiah went like Junior did. Two stars of the movie
(05:01):
The Five Bloods, which will be premiered on Netflix on
June twelve. Now, The Five Bloods moved by five guys
who served time together in Vietnam. But there's also a
movie by black history. If you guys can expound, because
that's really Spike Leeman. He's something else. Now, you know,
I'm enjoying the movie and he just dropping these nuggets
and I was. I was sitting to my wife, I go,
you know, he telling us about black history. You know,
(05:22):
she said, that's black history right there, that's black history
right there. And so that was beautiful. How you laid
that in there. Comment on that both of y'all, I'd
like to hear from both sides of it. Go ahead,
le well, you know, I don't think you can do
one with this movie. I don't think you could do
one without the other, because I think by dropping, you know,
(05:45):
those nuggets of black history into the film, you began
to understand the dynamics of what these brothers were going through,
you know, and uh, what they were feeling. So you
had to do. To me, it always seemed like you
had to do votes together to be able to get
the impact. If you just did one, you didn't quite
get it. But when you sort of backed it up
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with that Black history lesson, you began to see and
understand and feel the dynamics of the film. Also, I
think what you're getting is not only the the the
context of in which these men were serving, but you're
also getting their point of view on the existence of
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African Americans in the States and the and the breadth
of experiences that we have politically and spiritually, so forth
and so on. And yet as diverse as these brothers were,
you know, they had all gone in separate ways once
they once they left and had a merit of experiences,
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yet they still maintain the love for each other, which
appears to be somewhere missing today. You know, that type
that that type of brotherhood, and even that is commented
on on in the in the in the piece, and
Spike has a way of doing that. You know, I'm
glad that he I'm glad he's the megaphone you know,
for uh, you know, for for for us. You know,
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there should be more, but you know, we understand the
context within which he exists, you know, in that world,
and just so many are gonna get out there to
reach just so many, you know. But I'm glad, I'm
glad that we were certainly a part of part of this.
You know that that's our craft, is foot that's how
our craft should be used, you know, for sure. You know,
the beauty of this movie was, first of all, it
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was let's let's break down the character to Five Bloods
consisted of Storm and Norman. That was played by the
Black Panther he always been known as the Black Panther,
Chadwick Boseman and then my brother Paul as I was
playing his character is played by Darre Orlando and Eddie
that was Norm Lewis Otis that was you Pluck Peters
and then may Alvin use Isaiah or that was Malvine
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was played by Isaiah Withlock Jr. Also on the journey
was Paul's son who just David, played by Jonathan Major's. Now,
you guys, first of all, the music was outstanding. That
music should have been just a tribute to Marvin Gaye
because uh it yes, yes, you know his brilliance. Uh
it was timeless because I guess what, it's one of
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the all time great albums at the time and just
a generational talent because that music is can be played
right now and be very relevant. Now when you guys
got the script, okay, because it was it set in
Vietnam and you guys shooting locally, what did you shoot
at the movie at both Vietnam and Thailand? Uh? Pretty
(08:41):
much the Jungles of Tyler or the Jungles. Okay, cool, Now,
I have fun watching you guys try to dance. Okay
in the beginning, Okay, I'm just gonna throw it out there,
you know, you know, oh no, no, I said you
had that little you had that little skippy going It
looks skippy the hop going ground. I was I was
getting look okay, and Dan, and then Peter's he gonna
(09:04):
close out with the funky chicken. You know you can't
dance if you're doing the funky chicken. You know I
had a drink in my hand. That's true. That's true.
That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true.
That's true. So so I'm feel I'm an Apoculas now
jamming with you guys. Damn what you guys say? Okay,
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Peter's he can't dance, he's doing the chicken. At least
I said. You was hanging in there with the little drink,
had the little rock step going, and Darrel, are you
know he really had the little like Darrell dancing closer
to me because let me out saying, hey, so Darrow
kind of had my my smoothness. And and Paul norm
we need to stop. No, I'm really really need to
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stop acting like his a little pigeon told Knock needed behind.
He really need to stop acting like he could bask
the part. You didn't see me getting oxygen. Oh, this
is fun, this is fun, and I'm having fun with
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you because over let everybody know, this is a reunion movie.
But it's also it's a family movie and it's my
friends learning about each other. And then it's a treasure
hunting movie too, mm hmm, with the Treasure of Sierra Madre. Y. Yeah,
you know it was. It was so fun. I was
(10:28):
watching the movie. I said, you know what, I was
just gonna be real, like you, I've never seen this
in a black movie like this, not just usually. That's
what spike do you spike and give you something that
you never saw And I supposedly drawn genres and y'all
did it so well. You got you out there, Isaiah
with the metal detector. You were funniest heck. You know. Peters,
you out there with a bad hip. You was funniest
(10:48):
heck and stubborn with a bad hip. So so I'll
start with you, Isaiah, tell everybody about your character because
we're gonna have fun with this, and then Peters you
follow them up. Okay, you know in Melvine, Melvine, he
was he was He was supposed to be the youngest
of the group, and he had lied, he had lied
about his age to get into the service. But he
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was sort of like this free spirit, you know, he
didn't really he didn't really have the you know, those
strong moral values and things like that. I mean, I'm
not gonna say he didn't have any, but he was
more of a black and white kind of person. It
is what it is. Uh. You know, you want you
want to you want to talk about reparations. Well, I'm
looking at all this gold here, I got mine, you know.
(11:35):
So he you know, he was, he was, you know,
he was pretty much a matter of fact, that being said,
you know, when push came to shove, I mean, he was,
he was. He was a real soldier and he was
he was very protective with the guys around him, and
um uh you couldn't you couldn't really sell them short,
you know. But I wanted people to sort of feel that,
(11:59):
you know that you know, he was a bit up,
a fun loving guy. I mean, you know, he's the
first time you see us in the movie. I'm at
the counter my credit card, but I got a drink already.
I saw that. I saw that he gonna come and
try and whipped out his black card like he's somebody
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I gotta I gotta drink. Before I even checked in.
I came there to do I can't. And you know
the thing is, I had to explain to someone the
other day about the Dad because they had seen the movie,
and they said, well, you know, I like the way
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Spike uh he added some modern touches and I said,
what do you mean. They said, well, the handshakes and
stuff like that, and I said, no, no, no, that's
that's all of that started during the Vietnam War. That's
not you know, uh, that's not a basketball thing. I
loved to see it, you know, And I said, you know,
(13:02):
all of that came out of that, but it was
there was there was there was, there was a bond
there and it showed like what part of Vietnam you
had served it from things like that, so you really
had to kind of embrace it and um and that's
what my character did and it really did and it
was great, all right there, Clark, I apologize that was
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supposed to have It is an acronym for something. I
can't quite remember what it. What it was for d
A P. What was that? Can you remember, Isaiah? I
can't remember. No, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's um.
It was an an acronym for something I can't I
can't quite remember. But when we realized that it that
it was more than just a greeting. It took on
(13:48):
a whole another thing. I think for all of us.
You know, it's you know, because not not everyone, not
everyone had the same the same depth, you know, so
you knew that if you gave a certain depth, that
you were from a certain unit in a certain time,
and you know it was it was it was our drum.
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take away to drum, but they can't take wig skin.
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realized was that even if we were doing it, we
all had our we all had our favorite death right.
(16:23):
There were some who were better than others in certain
areas of the death, and we all had our favorite depth.
So you have to learn all of them because you
never knew what you were going to get hit with.
You know. That's that's that that part of the dapping program.
I would have been left off. I've been left off
the dapping And I was born in that era. I
(16:45):
was boring in the era the bump, all that good
stuffing chicken. I had it all down, pat. The great
thing about your character, Peters was that you are medic
and so and I'd say that's great because you know,
we've seen you know, that shows that there was educated
black men participating other than just shooting a gun, you
were saving lives. I think that was a calculated character
(17:06):
development for Spike in this movie. Correct, yes, uh. And
and also with with his history, you know, and with
these particular brothers with these five bloods. You know, he
had seen parts of their bodies and inside that they
had never seen before. You know, you know he is
he taking bullets out of them, showed them up, you know. Uh,
(17:27):
he kept their morale together in the in the field
and as we see also later on when when we
when we had the reunion. You know, I love his humanity.
I love that that that we are allowed to express
our humanity like this because he's not a fictitious character.
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You know, there were brothers like this absolutely, and there
are brothers like this and women who are like this today.
So you know, it was it was an honor to
celebrate to where that that that that persona you know,
for myself, I find it easy because I love these brothers,
you know, I love them off off off the camera,
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you know, Isaia and I go go way back, you know,
So it's easy. It's easy to have this camaraderie and
have this fun, you know, and to look after them.
And oddly enough, you feel like you're you know, it's
sometimes you're not supposed to carry your your your work home,
you know, but I didn't mind carrying Otis back back
(18:28):
to the hotel with me. You know, most night, you know,
and still hanging on out with with the brothers and
keeping an eye on them. You know, we were we
were in a situation over there in Thailand last year
where we were wearing masks, you know, because because the
weather was so bad, and I found myself making sure
that you know, we all right, you know, and you
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know that's awesome thing. We also needed one another, you know,
I mean, there's such a you know, we knew we
were in for. The days were hard, the days were long,
the days were hot, and we just desperately needed one another.
We needed to pick each other up and make sure
that each other were okay. Yeah, I think it was hot.
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I know it got hot when I was out there
looking for the goal. Not that it got hot there. Brother.
I knew it was because because I said, you looked
like it was hot. You look like when you said, look, man,
I'm looking for the goal. I ain't picking up nothing.
I said, he ain't acting, now, honey, he's not acting.
It was Remember I said, he's got acting before I'm
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talking to my man. Cluck Beaters and Isaiah with Lock
of two stars of the movie The Five Bloods, premier
on Netflix on June twelve. What you're about to say, Isaiah, No,
but there was there was one shot in the movie
where I looked at myself and I said, I said,
and I really looked that damn bad. I mean, it
just seemed like each other. Hey man, man, when you
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was out that looking for that, I said, when you
was out there looking for paint and you don't had
the little meter out there, little melo detector. You you
were hot, brother, you were hot. You were looking for
some cold water, some ice water, some a when they're
gonna call cut something here because this is some real
heat out here, trailers what I was looking for. It's
(20:28):
two other dynamic characters that Paul. I just gotta said
by Darryl or Lindo what he did in this movie
as the character Paul. I'm gonna tell you some all
you guys get fantastic jobs, amazing job. He has some monologues. Man,
if we don't see him in some nominations in the fall,
I'm gonna be really really hurt because you know it
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out there, man, he laid it out to make sure.
Make sure you expressed that hurt there too. Russian, because
you know there's there's uh that one scene where he
bocks off, you know, and he right, you know what
I'm talking about that on that particular day, you know,
it was it was a pretty intense day. You remember
(21:10):
this Isaiah. He walked off and it was like God
was with him, Nature was with him, because a storm
came up from nowhere, a storm came up from nowhere,
and my man was just riding the energy of that storm.
And you couldn't help but to feel You couldn't help
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but to feel the emotion and wherever he was going
in his spirit, to find that the earth and God
was with him. And we hope that that comes on
through all it does it does. First of all, it's
a hurt soul or all, you guys, his character was
the hurt character. That the character he was still carrying
(21:53):
Vietnam window. Later on we find out why, but he
still was carrying PTSD. Was all in his spirit. He
never was able to walk away or have a life
or have a life with his son who and his
son I want to get more detail, but that the
whole breakdown was amazing and told a different story besides
the five bloods in that relationship as it as it
(22:14):
grew out. But it was interesting I was reading the
article about that uh that Spike Lee says. He said,
there was no c G I budget to make you
make my man look younger doing the flashbacks. Okay, that's
what Spike said. And I'm gonna tell you guys something.
You know, I always your people when you dream or
you think back. You never see yourself when you dream,
and you think that you only see what you see, Okay,
(22:38):
And so so when you guys were having those flashbacks,
I always saw it from you guys perspective. He was
supposed to be younger. Okay, he was, because it would
be told from your perspectives. And if first of all
such brilliant acting, it didn't matter. So I was. I
always stayed in the moment during the flashbacks because you
(22:58):
guys were going bad act to where you were thinking
about when you're younger. Hey, whenever I think about somebody,
but I hope to God I don't think of somebody.
Look at my age now in the seventies. When I'm
thinking about how that person looked into seventies, that person
looks like that person in the seventies, and I am
who I am today. It was brilliantly, I know, he said, that,
but as you want to tell you, guys, it worried.
(23:20):
You know the thing is that when you start tinkering,
tinkering around with the c g I, you know, then
the audience, the audience watching it, they're they're they're they're
no longer paying attention to the story. They're paying attention
to you trying to look younger. And by by us
(23:42):
just being ourselves standing in the moment, date in the story,
date in the moment, dated the story, you didn't have
you were you were not distracted. It's what I'm trying
to say absolutely that I always tell people black and
white movies, you had to act in black and white movies.
You had to be able to act when they started
adding that color and all that stuff. The background, the
sun sae sunset was yellow. You know, they could have
(24:04):
some bad acting. When you, guys went from from the
younger character and then you went back to the Vietnam
I felt it was real. I felt the emotion, I
felt the pain, I felt the journey. Just a fantastic jaw,
A great movie. The Five Blood premiers June twelfth on Netflix.
But before I go, I'll be I'll be remissed because
(24:24):
we know the times that we're both all three of
us African American men, and we'll be remissed to talk
about how this pandemic or COVID ninteen is affecting our community.
Uh in April when when the CDC came out, it's
of the affective patients in Atlanta, or African Americans in
New Orleans, the state of Louisiana, seven out of ten
(24:47):
in Chicago, for in Detroit. We are a race of
people who are overly affected by this in a country
that's not understanding how they can take care of themselves.
Don't take care of us. Any comments on the Russians?
Can I can I put cannec with this to here?
You know, I wasn't in the States when it when
(25:08):
when the when that those figures came out, and and
I don't want it, and I repeat this. I do
not want to minimize the pandemic or the importance of
any virus that's in the air that is affecting human beings.
I'm not minimizing that at all. But what you guys
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were getting over there as one bit of information, we
were getting the complete opposite over here. What we got
over here was that it was not something that was
affecting people of color. What we got over here was
that it was going after the after the elderly first
and those who were whose immune systems were compromised. It
(25:51):
was not And if anything, the young blood's over here
were saying, well, it doesn't bother people of Afro Caribbean descent.
That's what was going on here. Now we've been around
long enough. We've been around long enough to know how
how a machine will will effect or use people of color,
(26:16):
people of a lesser uh circumstance, for its own means.
You know, Now we have not only the pandemic, but
we also have this five G thing that's going up
as well, running alongside right. Well, I see that and that,
(26:38):
and that is exactly my point. We don't know. We
don't know, because you get something over here, you get
something over there. But what I do know is this
is that Tuskegee was an experiment. You know. What I
do know is that when the pilgrims came on over
(26:58):
to the New Land and and they wanted some they
want some land, they gave the indigenous people some blankets.
You know, I do know that according to history, you know,
that first pandemic, that came through in nineteen in the
early nineteen hundreds was on the back of the introduction
(27:21):
of X rays into the world. So I'm and like
I said, I'm saying, there's not to minimize the the
but I think that one needs to really be uh,
to think through and use your mind and do not
give up the responsibility of your health to somebody else.
(27:45):
Thank you, Do not give it up to somebody else.
You know, God gave you that body and that mind
for you to work within that temple and for you
to keep that clean, for you to look after that.
But you know what I think about I'm sorry. I'm sorry, no,
but not don't mean to cut you off, Clark. No. Yeah,
(28:09):
I was pretty much done because like I'm moving to
the edge of my seat now and I was standing
up and I love it. I love it. Thank you,
thank you, thank you. People wanted to say. What I
wanted to say was that I think this pandemic has
really raised the veil on a deeper problem that has
been that you know, it's just like you're looking up
(28:31):
underneath the hood and you're seeing, you know what the
real problem is, UH, and starting to ask a lot
of questions, why why is it this way? Why do
is there so much diabetes? High blood pressure? Why? Uh? Yeah,
wire why why why are we in this type of situation?
(28:51):
And the more you dig, the more you begin to
realize that this is not This has been going on
for years. Yes, I mean when I say years, I'm
talking centuries. Yes, that's right, and uh, that's right. And
going forward it needs to be fixed. All of this
stuff about the heroes and essential people and everything like that. Uh,
(29:14):
when this pandemic is over, if it's ever over, I
want to see. I want to see what we do
going forward. You want to see if those if those
essential people are taking care of, if those heroes are
taking care of, if if if things are are are
are fixed, if we need go back to doing what
(29:35):
we were doing. That's that's gonna be really sad. That's
gonna be very very sex Yes, you know, and and
and you know what we do is all we have
to do is look at the way that our veterans
are being taken care of. You look at the way
our veterans have been taken care of, you know, you know,
(29:55):
and I want to thinking about heroes and I don't
absolutely here's the deal. I want to thank both of
you guys for coming on the show. Uh this first
time talking to you guys, It's been amazingly fun. I
don't wanna you know, they gave me a time limit.
That's why I don't want to go beyond that. Clark
Peters Eyes with Like Juniors, two of the stars of
The Five Bloods, premiering on Netflix on Junil twelve. Guys,
(30:18):
any closing comments before we get out of here, other
than it's a great movie and go see it on
Netflix and uh, making a trending movie, making number one
for about five or six weeks, and let's tet some
million beings on it and all that good stuff. Because
I'm been throwing my part. Felt, I'm doing my part.
Listen to what pretty it is, rash Let's to what
(30:42):
Rashawn sayss I can put that on, put that on there.
We just what Rashawn says. I appreciate your fellows. I
appreciate y'all. Thank you for coming on the show. And
we'll talking soon. I got I'm interviewing Dead Water to
day too, so we're gonna have fun. Thank you teammates,
by the absolutely bye bye already, man. I am If
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