October 15, 2024 • 28 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed, Isaac Hayes, III. His business career started in 2013 when he served as president and C.E.O of Isaac Hayes Enterprises. Managing the name, image, likeness, brand, masters, and publishing catalog of his soul icon father, the late Isaac Hayes. He is also a visionary to change social media forever. That vision is Fanbase.
- He used his fearless and savvy use of social media to help elect Atlanta’s 61st Mayor, Andre Dickens and has been a civil servant for the community, demanding equality for all creators in the social media space.
- Fanbase is a Black-owned social media app that focuses on instant monetization with no censorship, making users owners of their own IPs.
- Isaac is also in a raise for his Fanbase app.
- Isaac conducted an Investathon, which was star-studded with influencers, leaders, and media personalities. It went extremely well and the details are attached.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
In business started in twenty thirteen, with him serving as
president and CEO of Isaac Hayes Enterprises, managing the name
Image Likeness, Brand Masters, and publishing catalog of his soul
icon father, the late Isaac Hayes. He is also a
visionary with the goal to change social media forever. That
(01:35):
vision is fan based. Please welcome the money making Conversations masterclass,
Isaac Hayes. How you doing, my brother?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
What's good? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How are you come on with this strong voice in
my little raggedy voice. Come on, Isaac, don't do me
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Don't do me like that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That strong, powerful voice he just popped out of there.
How you doing so, you're doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm doing great on this rune. How are you well?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know, I'm glad you came on the show because
of the fact that you know, it's been a period
here like Lebron and his father, you know, LEBRONI and
Lebron's playing and you and you get into this point
where you you have a famous name that you that
you were given. What is there a burden or is
there a blessing for you? Can you can you can
(02:18):
you share that with my audience before we get into
your interview.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think it's both. I mean, I started out as
a music producer in the year I produced music from
two thousand to like two thousands almost twenty, I mean,
you know, seventeen, probably even ninety nine twenty, and so
in the beginning, it kind of hurts you to the
point where I think people don't think you're very serious
about being a producer, think that you've got it made,
(02:43):
or you know, it's pretty easy. So some point changed
my name very early on as a producer to a
to a producer. Ain't that nobody would know that it
was educating her So I could, you know, really just
make my music and get the jobs and get placements
based off the fact of who other music and who
my father was. Now, as you're older, as I'm older,
(03:03):
and I'm moving up the ladder of success in business,
you know, my father's name holds a lot of respects
in a lot of rooms in industries because of the
type of person that he was. And so I think
it helps you know when you when you I mean,
I'm able to meet people like Samuel L. Jackson or
Denzel Washington or people that are in business that knew
my father and say they have a lot of great
(03:23):
things to say about him, and so it helps, but
it takes a while to transition to first it hurts.
And I think that's the thing with that will happen
with any famous you know, a child of anybody's famous.
So the hurting the beginning going to hurt Brian in
the beginning because people think about basketball, you're not dad.
But down the line, ten fifteen years down the line,
it's going to help him a lot. It's going to
help him tremendously.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
We know.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I love about the whole interview about you is that
you you've embraced the entrepreneur side of this industry, as
is your dad because of the fact that you have
a catalog and a brand that he understood and valued
in his talent. You know, I always tell everybody my
favorite all time Isaac hay movie is Truck Turner. That
was That was my movie, Isaac truck Turner. Boy. I
(04:07):
can start reciting lines even though heroes in that boar
that was my movie. Because these these are brands that
live with people there's music. You know, the soundtrack Chap
is a classic. It's one of the all time great
music pieces that ever been distributed. But what we don't
realize was the music that your father produced, the music
(04:28):
he wrote. Tell us about that background.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, my father started out as a session musician at
Stax Records on oldist writing songs, you know, you know,
stuff like that, like arranging and doing stuff like that
him and David Porter made this this partnership, became a
songwriting producing team in Stax, writing hundreds of songs, songs
like doing Something's Wrong with My Baby and soul Man
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and fold Them I'm coming from like nineteen sixty three
to nineteen sixty nine, so six years they wrote just
so many that were just amazing. And so that's that
really transitioned him becoming a solo artist in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Wow, you know that that whole because that's really what
we start talking about getting paid. You know, you have
you have an artist who performs the song. Then you
have the breakdown that whole strategy. Yeah, I heard the
word licensing, I hear the word publishing, and I hear
performing artists. The performing artist is the person that is
really only gets paid for performing. It's the I think
(05:30):
the licensing and the publishers where the money really it
becomes residuals and you can get paid on an ongoing basis. Correct.
Can you explain to my audience how that works.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, So a copyright has two sides, as a master
and as a publishing. The master's a sound recording. So
whatever the song eventually is, it's laid out on two
tracks or two tracks, or it's laid out on you know,
a stream or whatever. The record company typically owns that
and then the publishing is owned by the tworiters, the
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or the one writer whoever wrote the song. So typically
few people that do that. And then what happens is
publishing deals are done. So when the publisher is done,
they're they're they're that that I signed to another individual
who takes that and then exploits that copyright on behalf
of the songwriter all will control to be able to
do the things that they do. Right. That that part
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is a little difficult to kind of understand and important
because that right there is really the main you know,
where the money is. And so a lot of times
people assigned their rights and that's something that my dad
did as a songwriter early on, and so once he
did that, he would have access or get control of
that music for another fifty six years.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Right, you know it always it always amazes been man
because you know you're bad your dad and many others.
When you say great names like oldest writing and all
these individuals, rach Hall's, they had the I want to say,
the genius, the clear understanding that my work I want
to control that. Can you talk about the the uh
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the courage to be able to walk in do it
racist times and be able to say I want ownership,
I want my rights.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, I mean a lot of Well here's the thing.
I think most of the most of the music industry
was you know, exploited to all all types of artists.
It was very rare the artists got to maintain control
of their topic.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I think you know that that part was was was
very very hard and difficult, and so a lot of
artists you know, got exploited and so that was tough.
I think people didn't know the business and understand up thing.
To anybody out there that wants to know what music
publishing is, I just say it's musical real estate. You
own it until you sell it, and it's yours in
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perpetuity until you do some sort of deal with it.
And so as long as you hold onto that musical
real estate, you own it forever, as long as you know,
continue to make the right you know, deals and moves
to that kind of stuff. So they had to have
courage to to be able to kind of fight for
their music rights. Unfortunately though, a lot of artists, including
my father, never really got the chance to do that,
especially in the Stack situation because of the bankruptcy and
(08:08):
all things that happen over at Stax Records.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right right right, Because now I know I've done a
lot of concerts Isaac, and when I do a concert
or music concert and I use the music to bring
a comic out, amuse the music to play, I gotta
pay fees for that. That's part of the publishing or
licensing for because I'm in a paid venue. That's I
(08:31):
have to pay those fees to play the music. Is
that That's how it works. Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Every venue, So think about this. Every venue, so it's
a stadium, a nightclub, or restaurant, they do a deal
with p r os that allow them to play as
much music as they can based on the capacity of
the venue and then an estimated you right, yeah, over
like an annual amount of time. So it could be
if it's a large theater, like you know, a big arena,
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that's one price. If there's a restaurant or a nightcup,
it's another price. And then that's that money goes to
pay the writers. And so yeah, most you know, anytime
you hear music played in and arenas and stuff like that,
those deals have been done.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, I'm gonna transition now because of the fact
that I just want to set the background for everybody
of who Isaac Hayes the third is. You know, he's
an entrepreneur and now used to work visionary in your opening.
Because I'll be honest with you. When social media came out,
I remember I was still managing Steve Harvey at the time.
We had this amazing fan club list about seven hundred
(09:30):
and fifty thousand fan club members. So and I didn't
really appreciate understanding the value of social media. Even though
I would look at television, especially news CNN at the time,
I would always see the Twitter logo, just Twitter logo,
Facebook or whatever people have already promoted followed me follow me,
and I thought that was amazing. They're not paying for this,
(09:53):
but they encourage people. They saw the power of social media.
When did you start really value between the power of
social media, Isaac?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I would probably say two thousand, like eight or nine,
because because really social media started changing the way that
we communicate and it really gave people an opportunity to
reach large amounts of people in real time. Even though
this is before like you know, cell phones became smartphones
and transition to that. But I was I was a
MySpace guy, I was a Facebook guy, I was a
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Twitter guy. These are all things that were on desktop computers.
And then when Instagram came out, that's when everything changed
in my opinion, because it was the first mobile, first
device that was image based on you know, on smartphones,
and that kind of opened the door that I felt
like it changed the way that people distributed and disseminated
content and actually consumed content. Is now the content comes
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directly to your phone. You're not watching a television, You're
not running to your laptop right this content.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Okay, I understand what you're saying right now, because that's
why the industry, the social media industry, really is a
mobile industry correctizing.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So it's changed over the last twenty years. Right, if
we go back to like Facebook came out in two
thousand and four. Okay, you first came there was people
writing on your wall. You know, it was more comments
and images, right, it was comments and images and comments.
Right when you get to the mobile era and we
put video. Now that video got added to social media.
Every single person on social media is a television network
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now it's TV. Now. You scroll your feed like you're
watching channels. You're watching these small one minute, two minute,
five minute clips on social media that can really entertain
you just as much as watching television. And what's remarkable
about that is we're finding out that people will sacrifice
a large screen for the ability to move with their screen.
So rather have a big eighty five minutes TV in
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your house and watch the game, you would sacrifice that
to be able to watch the game on the train,
on the plane at work. Oh you are. And so
that's where it became. Now social media is now an
entertainment vehicle. It is the new form of entertainment. It
is the new televisions.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Never to ask you this, I'm gonna call you an expert.
Now because you everything comes out of your mouth. Because
it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine
where I was denouncing that, you know, we're gonna stick
with this, this whole process, and then about twenty ten,
I want, you know, some Steve Harvey, we need to
start getting into this social media because you know, at
(12:22):
that point, we started seeing our competition. When I say
our competition, our other fellow comedians having four hundred thousand followers,
seven hundred thousand followers, and because really I started realizing that,
you know, people are starting to because if you had
a fan club, people couldn't see your fan club members,
but when you had social media, they could see the engagement.
(12:44):
That was the difference maker which sold me on social media.
Realizing that you can now publicly display your success story
on social media where the fan club email base you
couldn't do that. Is that really the big change for you?
Or you saw that beyond.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
That, Well, what I saw was the fact that that
that black culture was really elevating social media. The first
thing I noticed is that black culture elevates all the
infrastructures of entertainment, but we don't own them. Basically, like
if you take the NFL, the NBA, the music industry,
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social media. These are primarily industries that are owned by
small groups of white people that exploit young people and
black culture for billions and billions of dollars, right, and
so we don't have any ownership of those things. And
that's when I started to notice that there was a
deficit in that, because you know, these companies winund up
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being worth billions and trillions of dollars. But at the
end of the day, who really benefits from that but
the small group of people that were allowed to invest
in these companies at an early stage before anybody. And
then the black culture in the black community comes on
there and makes it the most popular thing on planet Earth.
And now these pool of the investors are in the background,
and they're the ones that are creating generational wealth for
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their families off of the intellectual property of young people
in black culture.
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Wow. Now when you talk about all these things, fan base,
you know, offer start on this side of that. What
exactly is fan base?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So fan base is a social media platform that is
just like Instagram, TikTok, the current social apps, with a
couple of additions. One do not run ads. And what's
important about not running advertising is not I'm not beholden
to publicly traded shareholders or advertisers who can sometimes suppress
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and shadow band and censor people's content based on the
fact of who the platforms they spend money with. I
didn't want to do that because number one, it creates
a limitation on the amount of people that can see
your content. So I asked this question a lot to people.
It's a rhetorical question, but basically, why would Instagram let
you post a video or if you're talking about Steve Harvey,
(15:37):
why would Instagram let Steve harv or anybody post a
video or let you let it reach ten million people
for free? Where they're going to literally turn around and
charge Domino's Pizza money to reach ten million people with
they're advertising right going to do that because if Steve
Harvey or any person with millions of followers could reach
those people for free. The advertisers would come directly to
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the person with the following and pay them to those
ads on their page and never spend money on Instagram
or Facebook. So for that reason, they suppressure content. So
I don't care how many followers Steve Harvey, Beyonce, to Rock, Whoever, Party,
b Drake, anybody has on social media, They'll never reach
their full following because the advertisers have to make money
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off that reach. So at Fanbase, I wanted to say, look,
I don't care how many followers you have more social media,
I don't care how you get If you have one
hundred million people they follow you on fan Base, we're
sending your content to ae hundred million people. That's the
first and foremost And secondly, there's a monetization component to
the platform that allows people to have subscribers. That's the
first thing that really came to my mind. I said,
we need a social media platform where people can additionally
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subscribe to the same person that they follow, like Netflix
for extra content. So I want to be able to
subscribe to the same person I follow if I follow
you or Steve Harvey, or Lebron James or anybody like that.
I can also subscribe to that same person monthly for
additional content that they won't share anywhere else. And that
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was the birth of fan Base, and that really set
us apart back in twenty eighteen when I started to
build the company, because no other platform did that. I'm
the first social media platform and founder to create a
mechanism where people could subscribe to people using InApp purchase.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now you create in the social media entrepreneurs basically entrepreneurs.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And well, it existed other play it existed through credit cards,
So platforms that allowed you to subscribe to people through
current credit cards that existed, not mobile devices, so not
being able to iPhone or you're android to subscribe directly
to a person by just using a fingerprint or a
face scan. And that changes the speed in which you
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can monetize and make money as a content creator. Anybody can.
So that changed the game and that's really what we brought.
No other platform did that before fan Base.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Cool, We're gonna go to break come right back with
mister Isaac Hayes. The third fan Base a game changer,
visionary social media for ever. That's what he said you
won't change it forever, and he's doing just that. I'm
speaking to Isaac Hayes, Isaac Hayes the third. He's the
president CEO of Isaac Hayes Enterprises, which manages the name
Image Likeness, Brand Masters and publishing catalog of his soul
(18:12):
Icon father, the late Isaac Hayes. We're talking about fan base,
we're talking about social media, we're talking about technology, and
Isaac when you, you know, would try to wrap this around
my head an idea that you have about social media
because it seems so big. But how were you able
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to be not intimidated by the process of developing the
idea that was unique? That works?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, that was simple. And I had a conversation with
a VC about this that I When I had this
conversation with the VC, they asked me kind of something similar,
but they said, why would you want to build something
that is in competition with Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg Instagram.
He's a giant, He's this big giant, you know, mega
tech giant. Well, one reason is because I can build
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anything that he can build, but he can't build. Black
people in black culture and I speak very specifically in
the space of technology because technology is a vast industry.
But when it comes to technology and social media, I
know my stuff. I'm gonna stand my lane. That's why
I know. And I know that black culture and young
people power social media. And so the ability in which
fan Base moves is at the speed of culture. Because
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I'm black and I'm around black culture, these other platforms
have to move at the speed of mitaking copy or
mimic black culture. So that gives us an advantage every time.
So any ideas that we come out with, we're going
to come out with the ideas first. There's multiple things
that fan Base has done. Like I said, there was
no such thing as in a purchase subscriptions before fan Base.
Check it. Before twenty nineteen, it wasn't that now. If
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you look, Twitter has it, Facebook has it, Instagram has it,
TikTok has it, Snapchat has it. All these platforms allow
you to subscribe from your mobile device. It didn't exist
until we created that, and so that's my point. There
was no such thing as a goal verification badge or
any social media platform. We had that in twenty nineteen.
If you go to Twitter right now, every business has
a goal verification badge. So they're mimicking what we do.
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So the only separator between us and them is capital,
which is one of the reasons why, Like I said,
you know, we're raising capital a unique way through equity crowdfunding,
which gives us the ability to build our company but
not give up crazy amounts of equity and not what
we want to do as a business. So that's that's
why I'm confident, because I know what makes social media work.
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It's technology, psychology, and black culture.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now, when I was reading your bio, it says that
you use social media to elect our current mayor, Andre Dickens.
How did you know the floor is yours? You know,
because of the fact that I just try to tell
people that social media is beyond just vacation photos and
pictures of food on your plate. It is a tool that,
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especially in the entrepreneurial space, we need to understand our
brand and be able to communicate with the people and
generate revenue on that. You are a visionary from a
social media standpoint. You start launching now an elect I'm
mayor right now. You've played a major role in getting
him elected. How did that process come to you to
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say I can do this well?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Number One, I love Atlanta, and I understand that black
political power is the main reason that there's so much
black success. That Atlanta's not a mistake. It is an
intentional community of people that were built, that built the
community of political power, that offered opportunity for black people
to build business, and I want to make sure that's maintained.
What's also more important is that more and more people
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are on their mobile devices every day, and those messages
spread through virality. They spread through social media platforms like Twitter,
like Facebook, and like Instagram. And so when you're able
to connect with users at mass and create movements via
social media, that can be very impactful, especially political campaigns.
So if there's a message that needs to be put
out there, it's not necessarily always going to be heard
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by broadcast media, which is the number one for media,
which we've known for you know, probably one hundred years
or so. Right, it's radio and television, right, and then
we moved to the narrowcast, which is kind of like
these smaller sub networks, which is on which are the
apps like you know, Facebook and Instagram and stuff like that,
and so to be able to move messaging and content
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around through those platforms to people right on their mobile devices.
It can create engagement and action very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Wow, and and and the engagement you you were trying
to achieve was either registration or encouraging the vote. What
was what was the motivation with your social media campaign?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Well, it was definitely voting. I mean, you know, Atlanta
has about half a million or so residents in the
city of Atlanta proper. But when we when these elections
come up, we're only winning elections. I think even when
Keisha Lan's bottoms wan and I helped out with her campaign,
I think eight hundred and seventy three votes, So you
got understand how those margins are. So just to be
able to inform people the urgency of voting, social media
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is extremely extremely important. And then depending on who it is.
I mean in that in that election with Andre, we
had Felicia Moore and so and and and again I
wasn't necessarily I was a fan of what Andre was doing,
but Felicia Morey just shown signs that she wasn't necessarily
going to be the best ally always for the black
community just by some of the things that she had
done in the process. Hey, so getting those messages out
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of letting people know, like, look, this guy said something racist.
She apologized, and she took her apology down. I was like,
uh uh uh, that's a problem right there. So we
gotta we got to make sure that we know we
put Andre in office, and she was right there for
the job. And it's done, you know very well.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Oh yeah, he's been outstanding. As we close out. Man,
you conducted in an investor on which was star studied
with influences and celebrity. What was the purpose of that?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
To raise money for fan base? So so I'm the
first black man's raised ten million dollars in RACI equity crowdfunding.
So basically that's the way, is that anybody that wants
to invest in fan base and actually own part of
the company me as a startup and own part investing.
So I did this on a platform called start Engine.
I've done it again. I've done it three times up
with ten million dollars raised in three rounds and I
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just lost a seventeen million dollar regulation a crowdfund on
start Engine. We allow anybody that's listening and here's this
to actually have equity and fan base my investing. So
you can go to start engine dot com slash fan
Base and invest and own a part of the company.
It's so important because black founders don't get money. We
don't get funded from bcason banks, So I have to
turn to my community. And I understand that who's going
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to benefit the most from a social media platform right
being owned by black people? Black people, because we make
the social media platform popular. So who better than to
give the opportunity to have equity in it then the
people that will make it successful. So that's the reason
why I launched this equity crowdfund. So again, anybody that's listening,
go to start engine dot com, slash fan Base, make
an account. The investment found was very successful. We almost
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raised about seven hundred thousand dollars in ten days with
people like Bill I am Intended, Charlottage, the God ebro
Earn Your Leisure, Roland Martin, Milton Jones, of one hundred
Black Men of America, Bill Harper, all these people came
on and spoke so kindly Candy Burst about fan Base,
and I think that's extremely important because it shows the
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beliefs and what we're doing. And there are no black
owned social media platforms. Google it, search it, research it.
I'm the only one that's really in this space doing this,
and so it's extremely important that we own infrastructures. Think
of how many things, right, think of how many things
that have existed that black people are invented, but we
don't own the infrastructure of Think about Djang and that
Grand Master Flash invented that, but he doesn't own techniques
(25:34):
or Serrauto. Think about the ice cream scoop and ice
cream itself was invented by a black man, but we
don't own briers, we don't own edies, we don't own
Ben and Jerry. Think about the alarm system was invented
by a black woman, right, But we're not brinks, we're
not adt. So my point is, if we're not owning infrastructures,
we're just going to be contributing to other people's wealth
in ways that don't ever benefit our community. So we
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have to own the infrastructure first, and then we go
on the platform at our sauce and our sprinkle to it,
and then we create generational wealth. So again I tell everybody,
please invest in fan Base because this is a community movement.
There's over fifteen thousand investors that have equity. Like I said,
we raised about three million of this seventeen million dollars round.
Once we reach the end of this round, it's over with.
I always say twenty eight thousand or I'm sorry, twenty
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five thousand people investing six hundred dollars gets us to
our goal. So I tell everybody be one of those
twenty five thousand people that investing in fan Base. So
when this company gets acquired and goes public, you're one
of those ones. Goes like. I was there and I
heard Isaac Cay speak about investing in fan Base, and
I didn't wait. I invested the minimum to invest three
hundred and ninety nine dollars. So I tell everybody, look,
we spend a lot of money on a lot of
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different things, so three hundred ninety nine dollars can go
a long way invested in that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm telling Isaac Casey third year, amazing brother. This will
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It is a money making conversation. And thank you for
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I'm gonna get your sell numbers so we can communicate
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I and branding expert and I like talking to people
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
In business started in twenty thirteen, with him serving as
president and CEO of Isaac Hayes Enterprises, managing the name
Image Likeness, Brand Masters, and publishing catalog of his soul
icon father, the late Isaac Hayes. He is also a
visionary with the goal to change social media forever. That
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vision is fan based. Please welcome the money making Conversations masterclass,
Isaac Hayes. How you doing, my brother?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
What's good? What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
How are you come on with this strong voice in
my little raggedy voice. Come on, Isaac, don't do me
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Don't do me like that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
That strong, powerful voice he just popped out of there.
How you doing so, you're doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm doing great on this rune. How are you well?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know, I'm glad you came on the show because
of the fact that you know, it's been a period
here like Lebron and his father, you know, LEBRONI and
Lebron's playing and you and you get into this point
where you you have a famous name that you that
you were given. What is there a burden or is
there a blessing for you? Can you can you can
(02:18):
you share that with my audience before we get into
your interview.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think it's both. I mean, I started out as
a music producer in the year I produced music from
two thousand to like two thousands almost twenty, I mean,
you know, seventeen, probably even ninety nine twenty, and so
in the beginning, it kind of hurts you to the
point where I think people don't think you're very serious
about being a producer, think that you've got it made,
(02:43):
or you know, it's pretty easy. So some point changed
my name very early on as a producer to a
to a producer. Ain't that nobody would know that it
was educating her So I could, you know, really just
make my music and get the jobs and get placements
based off the fact of who other music and who
my father was. Now, as you're older, as I'm older,
(03:03):
and I'm moving up the ladder of success in business,
you know, my father's name holds a lot of respects
in a lot of rooms in industries because of the
type of person that he was. And so I think
it helps you know when you when you I mean,
I'm able to meet people like Samuel L. Jackson or
Denzel Washington or people that are in business that knew
my father and say they have a lot of great
(03:23):
things to say about him, and so it helps, but
it takes a while to transition to first it hurts.
And I think that's the thing with that will happen
with any famous you know, a child of anybody's famous.
So the hurting the beginning going to hurt Brian in
the beginning because people think about basketball, you're not dad.
But down the line, ten fifteen years down the line,
it's going to help him a lot. It's going to
help him tremendously.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
We know.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I love about the whole interview about you is that
you you've embraced the entrepreneur side of this industry, as
is your dad because of the fact that you have
a catalog and a brand that he understood and valued
in his talent. You know, I always tell everybody my
favorite all time Isaac hay movie is Truck Turner. That
was That was my movie, Isaac truck Turner. Boy. I
(04:07):
can start reciting lines even though heroes in that boar
that was my movie. Because these these are brands that
live with people there's music. You know, the soundtrack Chap
is a classic. It's one of the all time great
music pieces that ever been distributed. But what we don't
realize was the music that your father produced, the music
(04:28):
he wrote. Tell us about that background.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, my father started out as a session musician at
Stax Records on oldist writing songs, you know, you know,
stuff like that, like arranging and doing stuff like that
him and David Porter made this this partnership, became a
songwriting producing team in Stax, writing hundreds of songs, songs
like doing Something's Wrong with My Baby and soul Man
(04:53):
and fold Them I'm coming from like nineteen sixty three
to nineteen sixty nine, so six years they wrote just
so many that were just amazing. And so that's that
really transitioned him becoming a solo artist in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Wow, you know that that whole because that's really what
we start talking about getting paid. You know, you have
you have an artist who performs the song. Then you
have the breakdown that whole strategy. Yeah, I heard the
word licensing, I hear the word publishing, and I hear
performing artists. The performing artist is the person that is
really only gets paid for performing. It's the I think
(05:30):
the licensing and the publishers where the money really it
becomes residuals and you can get paid on an ongoing basis. Correct.
Can you explain to my audience how that works.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, So a copyright has two sides, as a master
and as a publishing. The master's a sound recording. So
whatever the song eventually is, it's laid out on two
tracks or two tracks, or it's laid out on you know,
a stream or whatever. The record company typically owns that
and then the publishing is owned by the tworiters, the
(06:00):
or the one writer whoever wrote the song. So typically
few people that do that. And then what happens is
publishing deals are done. So when the publisher is done,
they're they're they're that that I signed to another individual
who takes that and then exploits that copyright on behalf
of the songwriter all will control to be able to
do the things that they do. Right. That that part
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is a little difficult to kind of understand and important
because that right there is really the main you know,
where the money is. And so a lot of times
people assigned their rights and that's something that my dad
did as a songwriter early on, and so once he
did that, he would have access or get control of
that music for another fifty six years.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Right, you know it always it always amazes been man
because you know you're bad your dad and many others.
When you say great names like oldest writing and all
these individuals, rach Hall's, they had the I want to say,
the genius, the clear understanding that my work I want
to control that. Can you talk about the the uh
(07:02):
the courage to be able to walk in do it
racist times and be able to say I want ownership,
I want my rights.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, I mean a lot of Well here's the thing.
I think most of the most of the music industry
was you know, exploited to all all types of artists.
It was very rare the artists got to maintain control
of their topic.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I think you know that that part was was was
very very hard and difficult, and so a lot of
artists you know, got exploited and so that was tough.
I think people didn't know the business and understand up thing.
To anybody out there that wants to know what music
publishing is, I just say it's musical real estate. You
own it until you sell it, and it's yours in
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perpetuity until you do some sort of deal with it.
And so as long as you hold onto that musical
real estate, you own it forever, as long as you know,
continue to make the right you know, deals and moves
to that kind of stuff. So they had to have
courage to to be able to kind of fight for
their music rights. Unfortunately though, a lot of artists, including
my father, never really got the chance to do that,
especially in the Stack situation because of the bankruptcy and
(08:08):
all things that happen over at Stax Records.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right right right, Because now I know I've done a
lot of concerts Isaac, and when I do a concert
or music concert and I use the music to bring
a comic out, amuse the music to play, I gotta
pay fees for that. That's part of the publishing or
licensing for because I'm in a paid venue. That's I
(08:31):
have to pay those fees to play the music. Is
that That's how it works. Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Every venue, So think about this. Every venue, so it's
a stadium, a nightclub, or restaurant, they do a deal
with p r os that allow them to play as
much music as they can based on the capacity of
the venue and then an estimated you right, yeah, over
like an annual amount of time. So it could be
if it's a large theater, like you know, a big arena,
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that's one price. If there's a restaurant or a nightcup,
it's another price. And then that's that money goes to
pay the writers. And so yeah, most you know, anytime
you hear music played in and arenas and stuff like that,
those deals have been done.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You know, I'm gonna transition now because of the fact
that I just want to set the background for everybody
of who Isaac Hayes the third is. You know, he's
an entrepreneur and now used to work visionary in your opening.
Because I'll be honest with you. When social media came out,
I remember I was still managing Steve Harvey at the time.
We had this amazing fan club list about seven hundred
(09:30):
and fifty thousand fan club members. So and I didn't
really appreciate understanding the value of social media. Even though
I would look at television, especially news CNN at the time,
I would always see the Twitter logo, just Twitter logo,
Facebook or whatever people have already promoted followed me follow me,
and I thought that was amazing. They're not paying for this,
(09:53):
but they encourage people. They saw the power of social media.
When did you start really value between the power of
social media, Isaac?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I would probably say two thousand, like eight or nine,
because because really social media started changing the way that
we communicate and it really gave people an opportunity to
reach large amounts of people in real time. Even though
this is before like you know, cell phones became smartphones
and transition to that. But I was I was a
MySpace guy, I was a Facebook guy, I was a
(10:26):
Twitter guy. These are all things that were on desktop computers.
And then when Instagram came out, that's when everything changed
in my opinion, because it was the first mobile, first
device that was image based on you know, on smartphones,
and that kind of opened the door that I felt
like it changed the way that people distributed and disseminated
content and actually consumed content. Is now the content comes
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directly to your phone. You're not watching a television, You're
not running to your laptop right this content.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Okay, I understand what you're saying right now, because that's
why the industry, the social media industry, really is a
mobile industry correctizing.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So it's changed over the last twenty years. Right, if
we go back to like Facebook came out in two
thousand and four. Okay, you first came there was people
writing on your wall. You know, it was more comments
and images, right, it was comments and images and comments.
Right when you get to the mobile era and we
put video. Now that video got added to social media.
Every single person on social media is a television network
(11:25):
now it's TV. Now. You scroll your feed like you're
watching channels. You're watching these small one minute, two minute,
five minute clips on social media that can really entertain
you just as much as watching television. And what's remarkable
about that is we're finding out that people will sacrifice
a large screen for the ability to move with their screen.
So rather have a big eighty five minutes TV in
(11:46):
your house and watch the game, you would sacrifice that
to be able to watch the game on the train,
on the plane at work. Oh you are. And so
that's where it became. Now social media is now an
entertainment vehicle. It is the new form of entertainment. It
is the new televisions.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Never to ask you this, I'm gonna call you an expert.
Now because you everything comes out of your mouth. Because
it was two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine
where I was denouncing that, you know, we're gonna stick
with this, this whole process, and then about twenty ten,
I want, you know, some Steve Harvey, we need to
start getting into this social media because you know, at
(12:22):
that point, we started seeing our competition. When I say
our competition, our other fellow comedians having four hundred thousand followers,
seven hundred thousand followers, and because really I started realizing that,
you know, people are starting to because if you had
a fan club, people couldn't see your fan club members,
but when you had social media, they could see the engagement.
(12:44):
That was the difference maker which sold me on social media.
Realizing that you can now publicly display your success story
on social media where the fan club email base you
couldn't do that. Is that really the big change for you?
Or you saw that beyond.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
That, Well, what I saw was the fact that that
that black culture was really elevating social media. The first
thing I noticed is that black culture elevates all the
infrastructures of entertainment, but we don't own them. Basically, like
if you take the NFL, the NBA, the music industry,
(13:23):
social media. These are primarily industries that are owned by
small groups of white people that exploit young people and
black culture for billions and billions of dollars, right, and
so we don't have any ownership of those things. And
that's when I started to notice that there was a
deficit in that, because you know, these companies winund up
(13:45):
being worth billions and trillions of dollars. But at the
end of the day, who really benefits from that but
the small group of people that were allowed to invest
in these companies at an early stage before anybody. And
then the black culture in the black community comes on
there and makes it the most popular thing on planet Earth.
And now these pool of the investors are in the background,
and they're the ones that are creating generational wealth for
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their families off of the intellectual property of young people
in black culture.
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Speaker 1 (14:44):
Wow. Now when you talk about all these things, fan base,
you know, offer start on this side of that. What
exactly is fan base?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So fan base is a social media platform that is
just like Instagram, TikTok, the current social apps, with a
couple of additions. One do not run ads. And what's
important about not running advertising is not I'm not beholden
to publicly traded shareholders or advertisers who can sometimes suppress
(15:16):
and shadow band and censor people's content based on the
fact of who the platforms they spend money with. I
didn't want to do that because number one, it creates
a limitation on the amount of people that can see
your content. So I asked this question a lot to people.
It's a rhetorical question, but basically, why would Instagram let
you post a video or if you're talking about Steve Harvey,
(15:37):
why would Instagram let Steve harv or anybody post a
video or let you let it reach ten million people
for free? Where they're going to literally turn around and
charge Domino's Pizza money to reach ten million people with
they're advertising right going to do that because if Steve
Harvey or any person with millions of followers could reach
those people for free. The advertisers would come directly to
(15:59):
the person with the following and pay them to those
ads on their page and never spend money on Instagram
or Facebook. So for that reason, they suppressure content. So
I don't care how many followers Steve Harvey, Beyonce, to Rock, Whoever, Party,
b Drake, anybody has on social media, They'll never reach
their full following because the advertisers have to make money
(16:19):
off that reach. So at Fanbase, I wanted to say, look,
I don't care how many followers you have more social media,
I don't care how you get If you have one
hundred million people they follow you on fan Base, we're
sending your content to ae hundred million people. That's the
first and foremost And secondly, there's a monetization component to
the platform that allows people to have subscribers. That's the
first thing that really came to my mind. I said,
we need a social media platform where people can additionally
(16:42):
subscribe to the same person that they follow, like Netflix
for extra content. So I want to be able to
subscribe to the same person I follow if I follow
you or Steve Harvey, or Lebron James or anybody like that.
I can also subscribe to that same person monthly for
additional content that they won't share anywhere else. And that
(17:03):
was the birth of fan Base, and that really set
us apart back in twenty eighteen when I started to
build the company, because no other platform did that. I'm
the first social media platform and founder to create a
mechanism where people could subscribe to people using InApp purchase.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Now you create in the social media entrepreneurs basically entrepreneurs.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
And well, it existed other play it existed through credit cards,
So platforms that allowed you to subscribe to people through
current credit cards that existed, not mobile devices, so not
being able to iPhone or you're android to subscribe directly
to a person by just using a fingerprint or a
face scan. And that changes the speed in which you
(17:43):
can monetize and make money as a content creator. Anybody can.
So that changed the game and that's really what we brought.
No other platform did that before fan Base.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Cool, We're gonna go to break come right back with
mister Isaac Hayes. The third fan Base a game changer,
visionary social media for ever. That's what he said you
won't change it forever, and he's doing just that. I'm
speaking to Isaac Hayes, Isaac Hayes the third. He's the
president CEO of Isaac Hayes Enterprises, which manages the name
Image Likeness, Brand Masters and publishing catalog of his soul
(18:12):
Icon father, the late Isaac Hayes. We're talking about fan base,
we're talking about social media, we're talking about technology, and
Isaac when you, you know, would try to wrap this around
my head an idea that you have about social media
because it seems so big. But how were you able
(18:33):
to be not intimidated by the process of developing the
idea that was unique? That works?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, that was simple. And I had a conversation with
a VC about this that I When I had this
conversation with the VC, they asked me kind of something similar,
but they said, why would you want to build something
that is in competition with Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg Instagram.
He's a giant, He's this big giant, you know, mega
tech giant. Well, one reason is because I can build
(19:02):
anything that he can build, but he can't build. Black
people in black culture and I speak very specifically in
the space of technology because technology is a vast industry.
But when it comes to technology and social media, I
know my stuff. I'm gonna stand my lane. That's why
I know. And I know that black culture and young
people power social media. And so the ability in which
fan Base moves is at the speed of culture. Because
(19:23):
I'm black and I'm around black culture, these other platforms
have to move at the speed of mitaking copy or
mimic black culture. So that gives us an advantage every time.
So any ideas that we come out with, we're going
to come out with the ideas first. There's multiple things
that fan Base has done. Like I said, there was
no such thing as in a purchase subscriptions before fan Base.
Check it. Before twenty nineteen, it wasn't that now. If
(19:44):
you look, Twitter has it, Facebook has it, Instagram has it,
TikTok has it, Snapchat has it. All these platforms allow
you to subscribe from your mobile device. It didn't exist
until we created that, and so that's my point. There
was no such thing as a goal verification badge or
any social media platform. We had that in twenty nineteen.
If you go to Twitter right now, every business has
a goal verification badge. So they're mimicking what we do.
(20:05):
So the only separator between us and them is capital,
which is one of the reasons why, Like I said,
you know, we're raising capital a unique way through equity crowdfunding,
which gives us the ability to build our company but
not give up crazy amounts of equity and not what
we want to do as a business. So that's that's
why I'm confident, because I know what makes social media work.
(20:25):
It's technology, psychology, and black culture.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now, when I was reading your bio, it says that
you use social media to elect our current mayor, Andre Dickens.
How did you know the floor is yours? You know,
because of the fact that I just try to tell
people that social media is beyond just vacation photos and
pictures of food on your plate. It is a tool that,
(20:49):
especially in the entrepreneurial space, we need to understand our
brand and be able to communicate with the people and
generate revenue on that. You are a visionary from a
social media standpoint. You start launching now an elect I'm
mayor right now. You've played a major role in getting
him elected. How did that process come to you to
(21:10):
say I can do this well?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Number One, I love Atlanta, and I understand that black
political power is the main reason that there's so much
black success. That Atlanta's not a mistake. It is an
intentional community of people that were built, that built the
community of political power, that offered opportunity for black people
to build business, and I want to make sure that's maintained.
What's also more important is that more and more people
(21:34):
are on their mobile devices every day, and those messages
spread through virality. They spread through social media platforms like Twitter,
like Facebook, and like Instagram. And so when you're able
to connect with users at mass and create movements via
social media, that can be very impactful, especially political campaigns.
So if there's a message that needs to be put
out there, it's not necessarily always going to be heard
(21:56):
by broadcast media, which is the number one for media,
which we've known for you know, probably one hundred years
or so. Right, it's radio and television, right, and then
we moved to the narrowcast, which is kind of like
these smaller sub networks, which is on which are the
apps like you know, Facebook and Instagram and stuff like that,
and so to be able to move messaging and content
(22:18):
around through those platforms to people right on their mobile devices.
It can create engagement and action very very quickly.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Wow, and and and the engagement you you were trying
to achieve was either registration or encouraging the vote. What
was what was the motivation with your social media campaign?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Well, it was definitely voting. I mean, you know, Atlanta
has about half a million or so residents in the
city of Atlanta proper. But when we when these elections
come up, we're only winning elections. I think even when
Keisha Lan's bottoms wan and I helped out with her campaign,
I think eight hundred and seventy three votes, So you
got understand how those margins are. So just to be
able to inform people the urgency of voting, social media
(23:01):
is extremely extremely important. And then depending on who it is.
I mean in that in that election with Andre, we
had Felicia Moore and so and and and again I
wasn't necessarily I was a fan of what Andre was doing,
but Felicia Morey just shown signs that she wasn't necessarily
going to be the best ally always for the black
community just by some of the things that she had
done in the process. Hey, so getting those messages out
(23:24):
of letting people know, like, look, this guy said something racist.
She apologized, and she took her apology down. I was like,
uh uh uh, that's a problem right there. So we
gotta we got to make sure that we know we
put Andre in office, and she was right there for
the job. And it's done, you know very well.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Oh yeah, he's been outstanding. As we close out. Man,
you conducted in an investor on which was star studied
with influences and celebrity. What was the purpose of that?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
To raise money for fan base? So so I'm the
first black man's raised ten million dollars in RACI equity crowdfunding.
So basically that's the way, is that anybody that wants
to invest in fan base and actually own part of
the company me as a startup and own part investing.
So I did this on a platform called start Engine.
I've done it again. I've done it three times up
with ten million dollars raised in three rounds and I
(24:09):
just lost a seventeen million dollar regulation a crowdfund on
start Engine. We allow anybody that's listening and here's this
to actually have equity and fan base my investing. So
you can go to start engine dot com slash fan
Base and invest and own a part of the company.
It's so important because black founders don't get money. We
don't get funded from bcason banks, So I have to
turn to my community. And I understand that who's going
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to benefit the most from a social media platform right
being owned by black people? Black people, because we make
the social media platform popular. So who better than to
give the opportunity to have equity in it then the
people that will make it successful. So that's the reason
why I launched this equity crowdfund. So again, anybody that's listening,
go to start engine dot com, slash fan Base, make
an account. The investment found was very successful. We almost
(24:51):
raised about seven hundred thousand dollars in ten days with
people like Bill I am Intended, Charlottage, the God ebro
Earn Your Leisure, Roland Martin, Milton Jones, of one hundred
Black Men of America, Bill Harper, all these people came
on and spoke so kindly Candy Burst about fan Base,
and I think that's extremely important because it shows the
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beliefs and what we're doing. And there are no black
owned social media platforms. Google it, search it, research it.
I'm the only one that's really in this space doing this,
and so it's extremely important that we own infrastructures. Think
of how many things, right, think of how many things
that have existed that black people are invented, but we
don't own the infrastructure of Think about Djang and that
Grand Master Flash invented that, but he doesn't own techniques
(25:34):
or Serrauto. Think about the ice cream scoop and ice
cream itself was invented by a black man, but we
don't own briers, we don't own edies, we don't own
Ben and Jerry. Think about the alarm system was invented
by a black woman, right, But we're not brinks, we're
not adt. So my point is, if we're not owning infrastructures,
we're just going to be contributing to other people's wealth
in ways that don't ever benefit our community. So we
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have to own the infrastructure first, and then we go
on the platform at our sauce and our sprinkle to it,
and then we create generational wealth. So again I tell everybody,
please invest in fan Base because this is a community movement.
There's over fifteen thousand investors that have equity. Like I said,
we raised about three million of this seventeen million dollars round.
Once we reach the end of this round, it's over with.
I always say twenty eight thousand or I'm sorry, twenty
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five thousand people investing six hundred dollars gets us to
our goal. So I tell everybody be one of those
twenty five thousand people that investing in fan Base. So
when this company gets acquired and goes public, you're one
of those ones. Goes like. I was there and I
heard Isaac Cay speak about investing in fan Base, and
I didn't wait. I invested the minimum to invest three
hundred and ninety nine dollars. So I tell everybody, look,
we spend a lot of money on a lot of
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different things, so three hundred ninety nine dollars can go
a long way invested in that.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm telling Isaac Casey third year, amazing brother. This will
not be the last time you speak to Rashaan McDonald.
It is a money making conversation. And thank you for
coming on my show. And I gotta connect with you man.
I'm gonna get your sell numbers so we can communicate
because I like your approach, I understand your value, and
I and branding expert and I like talking to people
(27:02):
who have a vision and my man, when I say this,
you are a visionary. Thank you for coming on Money
Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Thank you appreciate.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This has been another addition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rashan McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you our listening audience now.
If you want to listen to any episode I want
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(27:32):
Keep winning. The American Dream is available to you, just
keep listening. This has been another edition of Money Making
Conversation Masterclass hosted by me Rashawn McDonald. Thank you to
our guests on the show today and thank you our
listening to audience. Now. If you want to listen to
any episode I want to be a guest on the show,
visit Moneymaking Conversations dot com. Our social media handle is
(27:55):
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