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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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help them spread the gospel. Please welcome to Money Making
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Conversation Masterclass. Gregory Richardson. How you're doing, Gregory?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Fantastic? Rashaan, thank you for having me on your program.
Can you hear me? Well?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Pretty good?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Where are you based at at? Gregory? Where you based?
Where are your best?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I am? I live in Dallas, Texas and I am
right now in my office in Dallas, Texas. But I
move around a lot. So but right now you caught
me at home.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We're good, We're good. Well, I know I just mentioned that.
Let's get a little background on you. Is working in AI?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is that a full time role for you?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Or you do other things? Because you seem like a
man who multitasks.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Huh, you spit a mouthful at me there. Let me
let me start by start at the end and say,
I firmly disagree with the notion of multitasking in my
fairly limited experience. I'm only I'm only I'm approaching sixty
years old, so you know, I'm not a million years
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old or anything like that. But in my experience, when
I try to multitask, or when employees of mine try
to multitask, what they end up doing is not doing
any of the tasks really well. Humans are fundamentally designed
to single purpose task. Obviously, you can chew and walk,
you know, chew gum and walk at the same time,
But I don't think your brain functions well doing two
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separate tasks. The context switching and other things that need
to happen when you're flipping and flopping between tasks end
up making you more inefficient, So that's one part of it.
I just like to always I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I like that because I always I always proplay myself
as a multitasker.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That means I'm doing a lot of things, not saying
I'm doing them simultaneously. That means that I got a
couple of things happening. I got a couple of gigs,
I got a couple of deals. I got a couple
of things that my fire's burning. They don't mean on fire.
At the same time. That means I got a motivated
to get these actions done. I will tell you this, Gregory,
I hear what you're saying. If you're trying to do
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something anybody, if a computer is trying to calculate something simultaneously,
or you're trying to load something on Wi Fi simultaneously,
it's gonna drag. So you absolutely correct. When you're trying
to multitask simultaneously, it will not be effective.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Of facts. Now, to get to the core of what
you I believe you're asking. I'm confident you're asking. You
were spot on. You detect that I am a multi entrepreneur,
a serial entrepreneur. Over my life, I've I've ran, owned,
operated started multiple companies from car rentals to restaurants to
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you name it, to consulting companies, software companies, real estate company.
Like my wife and I we we do entrepreneurship really well.
In addition to that, I one hundred percent do have
a full time job also, So I am what you
call an ethical hacker, and for maybe the last forty
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years or so, my career has been cybersecurity. How do
I help large typically large organizations, the world's biggest banks, governments, companies, GM, FOD,
you name it, Nissan that was recently in Tokyo with
Nissan helping them solve some of their side security problems.
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That's my day job. Now how that connects to AI?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay, before we go there, let's go back.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Let's go back to this cybersecurity, because that's huge. You know,
we have people doing cyber ransom. You know, you have
a bank's, hospitals, governments, so being held hostage by people.
Talk to us through that whole process. When you're talking
about cybersecurity and we're talking about people who still use one, two, three,
four as they password.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh yeah, that's there's so much there. One of the
things I like to kind of like flow the conversation
with is cybersecurity because of the volume, the share magnitude
of the number of threats that we've been seeing and
it's been growing like crazy. It's literally billions of threats
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per hour, so it's you know it, it's more than huge.
Maybe for the last fifteen twenty thirty years, it's been
more than you could hire humans to fix, right, So
that's why we started leveraging AI to help us do
things like prediction and classification and quickly looking at a
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million files and saying which of these are bad files,
which of them look like files that were by files
yesterday that were viruses or malware or ransomware, et cetera,
et cetera. So that's a big part of it. The
other part of what we do in cybersecurity is called
security operations. That's where you're engaging with the users and
working against things like you just mentioned, Hey, you can't
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set your password to one, two, three, four, even bigger.
Most people get that by now even bigger. You don't
want to reuse the same password on your Gmail, on
your Facebook, on your Instagram, on your this, on your that,
on your banking you you really ideally should have separate
passwords for every single public facing service that you connect to.
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And in my from my perspective, what I recommend customers
and employees and whoever else I don't even use passwords anymore.
I'm either doing biometrics, finger I hand facial recognition, or
if I do have to type something in, I'm using
what we call a passphrase. So I'll give you a
real world example of that. Look, when computers started, you know,
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or the internet connectivity started, a password could be eight
to ten characters long. There ain't a system in the world,
a reasonably modern system, where you have that constraint. So therefore,
why are we trying to squeeze a password into a
couple of characters. I'll give you a real world example.
My password on one of my social media's right now.
Good luck trying to hack it, though. Is Philippians space
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two colon three comma consider others more important than yourselves. Period.
That's literally a scripture quote with the comma, with the period,
with the spaces, with the capital letters. Philippians.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Password number, password.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's that's one of my probably five hundred passwords that
I have. That's why I said I'm not afraid to
put it out there, because I also changed my passwords constantly.
But yeah, let me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Ask you this. Let me ask you this. Great because
I love talking to you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I love your energy, because I've never talked to a
guest like you that had the knowledge, because what we're
talking about is, you know, the simplicity and how people
kind of really disrespect the process and then when they
get scammed then they don't know why. Now the two
factor that's the big thing. I use two factor a lot.
What are your thoughts on two factor because I do
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use passwords. I do have a password vault. Because I
do have a ton of passwords, and I do change
every password for every account. The value of the password
vault allows me to do that. What do you say
when people are these systems recommend you use two factor,
you know authorization.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
One hundred percent agree with that, and you're going, obviously,
we've we've just met Risson, but you're you're absolutely doing
the things you need to do. A password vault, obviously
you want to make sure it's a password evolved from
a very reputable company. I personally use a Google password vault.
I also use Google authenticat or you could use a
Microsoft password vault. Maybe that's a little bit less secure,
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but use a password vault from a very reputable company,
not some little mickey Mouse startup that if something goes wrong,
you could at least see them and get you know,
tens of thousands of dollars from them. That's step one,
and you're you're doing that. Step two you absolutely the
password vault allows you to use multiple passwords without having
to remember or write down on a piece of post
to know what the password is, so excellent. Step two
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you unequivocally to want to use two factor authentication. Well,
two factor authentication is it's a second factor. So the
first factor could be your fingerprint or your password, or
your facial recognition or whatever. The second factor is it
sends something to something you have. So first factor is
something you know or something you are, a fingerprint or
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something you know a password. The second factor could be
something you have, your cell phone, So it'll send a
ten to your cell phone saying hey, yes, Greg, if
you're really Greg, you're not only supposed to know the password,
but you should have your cell phone with you as well.
I'm a pop a code up on your cell phone,
put that, enter that here, and then I'll know that
it's you. That's one example of a two factor. Absolutely
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recommend that I get my Facebook, for example, gets bombarded.
I guess you were trying to log on Greg or
you know, it looks like you lost your password. I
don't even bother with them anymore because I know I
have two factor turned on. So even if someone manages
to somehow guess or finagle my password, two factors is
going to stop them from getting in.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Greg, because you just hit home with these Bank of
America type emails or these Facebook emails or these American
that's what I get. They look like American Express, you
know exactly. You know, they look like a Bank of America.
They look like they look like the Facebook and the
matters talk about you violated a copyright if if you
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don't click this link, we're going to take your site down.
How does one you know, don't become don't be mislaid
by this fear of clicking the wrong thing, because they
always said the elderly community community is victimized the most.
But talk to us about avoiding those type of scams.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Avoiding them is practically impossible. And I'll actually take a
step back if I may. What has caused or what
is causing that drastic uptick that we've seen for the
last five, ten, fifteen years in those types of scams.
It is simple opportunism in around twenty twelve, the FBI
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they released reports every year on the state of you know,
crime and that kind of stuff. Somewhere around twenty ten,
eleven to twelve, I don't remember exactly when, for the
first time the FBI released a report called the State
of Cyber Crime Security. It wasn't the first time they
released the report, but what about to say is the
first time they stated it. And in that report, somewhere
around twenty ten ish they stated for the first time
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that revenue from criminal organizations that do ransomware and viruses
and spam and scams via the Internet surpassed for the
first time in history all revenue from all cocaine sales,
heroin sales, and marijuana sales globally. So when criminal organizations
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start noticing, hey, I don't need to buy a submarine
and smuggle drugs and this and that and the other,
or I could keep doing that, but I can also
generate a lot of money over here by doing these
computer things. That is what triggers the attacks that we're
seeing now. Criminals are notoriously opportunistic, and you have to
look at every email you get. And this answers your
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question directly, as is someone trying to get something that's
mine because money also want to be cautious. Nowadays, the
biggest target is PII. It's called Personal identifiable information. That's
the biggest target. Is someone trying to find out from
me my first name, last name, data, birth, first name,
last name data, birth, social security? Are there is that?
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And if someone is trying to get that or any
other and even just first name, last name, data birth,
like if they're not asking for social still be paranoid.
Is someone trying to get my username and my password?
Anytime you get emails requesting that type of information, you
need to pause, take a breath, and be very very
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very very cautious. What's the source of the email? You
pick up the phone and call the Amazon or Facebook
or whoever and verify, Hey, did you send me this email?
Like is my account at risk of being That's how
you have to handle that, because that's what those criminals
are opportunistic. It's like parking a bunch of cars on
the street. Happens in the neighborhoods all over the world,
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even fancy ones. Criminals will walk back asked and just
tried door handles. Which car they're gonna rob first? The
one where the cars unlocked. They are opportunistic, so the
easiest target is the one that gets hit.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And because of the volume of that, you know, it's
no longer you know Billy, Bob or or Nikky in
his grandmother's basement playing around on the internet doing some scams.
That's not what it is anymore. It is fundamental, well
funded and resourced criminal organizations that literally have office buildings.
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They go to campuses to recruit smart computer science kids
to come into their criminal organization and create ransomware, create viruses,
and craft these sting operations, et cetera. So that's what
you're going against these people. It's no longer you know
Susie in the basement. It is now an organization coming
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after you. So you gotta bear back. And one of
the known things with scams, it's all they tried to
impose a sense of urgency. You got to do this
right now, right anytime you see that, feel that either
that or they.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Threaten you with an ultimate penalty if you don't respond.
You know, and I will tell you this. I'm talking
to Gregory Richardson AI expert, cybersecurity expert, a man who
loves his job, I'm just telling you it's a level
of passion. How did you And we're going to get
into the AI in the next break, but how did
you know this was for you? Like, I have a
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degree in mathematics. My minus associate is in sociology. When
I graduate from college, I started out in computers. I
love the logic. How did you know from a state
of passion that this is where you knew your career
and your life would be gregory.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's a very very interesting story. I am in college.
I left at a fairly young age. I was just
just turning sixteen, late part of my sixteen year old
that phrase when I left the Caribbean island that I
grew up on and my parents and all of my
family are from, and we moved. Well, I was sent
actually to the US, the middle of the US, to
the Midwest, to college. Kind of stupid, you know kids
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are when they're stupid, think they know it all, et cetera.
But my major initially was civil engineering. People told me
a good job is you know, civil engineering, You'll build
roads and buildings for governments and just good job security. Now,
while that's my major, I am in my dorm room
and this is the early eighties, right, So like there
is no Internet yet, there are no computer stores. Yet
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I'm in my dorm room building computers from scratch and
selling them on campus to students, and I'm literally investing
all of my That was but the joy that I had.
I hated my classes. I hated every and after about
literally I switched my major from from civil engineering to
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electrical engineering. Then I switched to the math, then I
switched it to bits. Like I was all over. I
was stupid.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I was dumb with no, no, no, no, you were me, Gregory.
I started out the civil engineering, then I went to accounting,
then I went to chemical engineering, and then I wind
up getting my degree in mathematics. But I hold that thought, Gregory,
you are fantastic. Please don't go anywhere. We're talking to
Gregory richardson cybersecurity expert AI AI Genius something called me
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AI genius because he is on fire right now. And
if you want to hear more, especially how he's using
and teaching nonprofit organizations in churches how to use AI
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
Gregory, the word passion is an understatement when I hear
you talk about cybersecurity. And I say that because I'm
gonna tell you some When I log on my computer,
when I click emails, I'm nervous and I'm not very comfortable.
And that's the world we live in. It's a world
of fast moving activity. But are you uncomfortable as I
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am as we navigate through this new world of technology
that's being put forth out there that we have to
use in order to participate.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Great, great, great, great question, and I'll answer it with
a little, a tiny bit of background.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I am a staunch believer in the concept that we
find in the Bible in Jeremiah chapter one, somewhere around
verse four or so, and that's Jeremiah being spoken to
by God. Jeremiah's a prophet and God tells him, before
you were formed in your mother's womb, I intimately knew
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what you were made for. I firmly believe in that.
That's why, jokingly, I was dumb as a bag of
bricks because when I was twelve years old in high school,
a bunch of friends and I had a little public
access TV program where we taught adults how to use computers.
So it was very obvious to me that my passion
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was technology from twelve years old, and when I go
to college, I'm doing everything but technology. It took two
and a half three years into college for a friend
happened to be a chaplain to walk he was on
my floor, to walk up to me and say, dude,
why are you not why are you not studying computers.
I'm like, it's not I'm electrical engineering or a business major.
He said, dude, all you're doing all day is sitting
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here behind this computer doing computer stuff. Is obvious your
passion And that was kind of like an AHA moment
for me, and that is what fuels not only my success,
but my ability. And I say this to entrepreneurs, business
people people you know early in career or late in
career making changes if you can do what you're passionate about.
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I'm not guarantee you and you're gonna make a million
dollars or whatever whatever. You might maybe not, but at
least you'll be able to function and be effective through
all adversities. There's been many rough periods in time. I
remember twenty thirty years ago, cybersecurity was a terrible industry
to be in. No one wasn't hiring. I'd go and
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visit banks and businesses, especially in the Caribbean where I
was living at that time. Hey, do your cybersecurity. No,
we don't need no cybersecurity. My it guy handles that.
It took Target getting hacked home depot right there in
Atlanta getting hacked. Suddenly the owners to be, oh my god,
we need to do something about cybersecurity, and then all
of a sudden it boomed. But prior to that, no
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one cared about cybersecurity. What kept me passionate and invested
in cybersecurity was the fact that I was doing what
I was in. I believe genuinely cybersecurity and technology was
stitched into my DNA by the person created me. So
I'm just doing what's natural, and that's what you hear
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in my voice. That's what you hear in the passion
when I answer questions. You can I tell my employees, coworkers,
people that work for me, whatever. All the time. You
wake me up at three in the morning, bro, I'll
answer questions. Problem.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Hey Gregory, No, let's transition to AI because I don't
want to say I'm going to talk about something and
we don't talk about it. I think they're to frustrate
our listeners or AI. What concerns you about AI when
it comes to securities and current concerns and privacy? Because
we just over your AI is being thrown into everybody's conversation.
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Everybody knows the two letters AI artificial intelligence. But it
is security concerns, it is private concerns. What do you think.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
More? There are definitely security and privacy. As a matter
of fact, is it okay if I give your your
listeners a way for them to reach me? Can I
just quickly plug a website?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Absolutely do your thing, because I think that is important
that people know how to reach you exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Anyone that wants to reach me connect LinkedIn social media,
all of it by my book, whatever, all of it.
Every way to get in touch with me is at www.
My name Gregory G R E g O R Y
Richardson r I C hr DSN dot AI, Gregory Richardson
dot AI. You can get me there, get everything there.
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I answer messages. So that's out of the way. Let's continue.
Are there security concerns with AI one hundred percent? But
it's more than that, And candidly, I think the opportunity
is bigger than the concerns in AI. I often used
the analog of the Gutenberg printing Press fourteen hundred fifteen hundred.
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Somewhere around the fifteenth century, Gutenberg invented. He was a jeweler,
worked with gold stuff and working with defined things in gold,
he created this thing called the printing press. And the
first thing they started printing was gossip rags and you know,
like descriptions of let's call them lurid tales, you know,
so basically written out pornography. That was the first things
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the press was used for. Because even then they knew
if I print something sallacious, people are gonna gobble it up.
If I say you a woman found in bed with
a cow, people they're gonna buy that newspaper. So the
church in particular was very concerned, Oh my god, this
thing is evil, and lots of the industries were very
this thing is not good, like we shouldn't be doing this.
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Then suddenly, now keep in mind, if you look at
a historical timeline, Europe and most of the world right
now is smack dab in the middle of the Dark Ages.
Black plague is killing millions of people across Europe. That's
when this happened. Fast forward Finally, some monk somewhere says,
you know what I thinking, I'm gonna use the printing
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press for these Bible books that we've been writing out
by hand. And it takes us twenty years, We're going
to print some Fast forward fifty five, zero years later,
the world has been in the Dark Ages for more
than a thousand years. Fast forward fifty years later. The
printing press and the publication of Bibles, which to this
day is still the top selling book, single handedly hold
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the entire globe out of the Dark Ages because someone
leaned into the new technology, the printing press, and used
it for something good. That's what AI is today. Yes,
can it do bad things? Hundred percent? Could it potentially,
you know, yes, all of the risks are true, but
I think the reward and the potential and the upside
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is exponentially better. Especially I focus on nonprofits because of
my Christian worldview, but I also help. As I've said already,
large large, large businesses and organizations and businesses from small
to large right now are starting to leverage. And that's
what my book is about. The six technology levers. How
to find the million dollar problem in your business and
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make a million dollar solution using AI. That's what it's about.
Businesses are leveraging AI today, and we are in what
I call the age of the ephemeral app. You're going
to be able to build an app now without one
hundred thousand dollars of investment. You're going to be able
to go to an AI and say, hey, I need
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an app that helps my son. And I literally did
this with my daughter. That helps my daughter prepare for
this semester of advanced mathematics. She's sixteen years old. It generated,
I gave it all of the documents, the syllabus, the
course materials from her math class. It generated weekly QUI
for me in an app form that I can give
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to my daughter or anyone else and say, hey, get
the crack in. This is how you're going to prepare.
That's aye we're in. So as a business person, when
you start looking, or as an entrepreneur, you got an
idea of rummaging around in your head. You no longer
need to go and find a coder. You can simply
jump on these AI tools. And that's what my book
walks you through and say, hey, this is the idea
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I have. I've helped doctors, I've helped lawyers, I've helped forests,
I've helped accountants build custom apps in days that have
completely changed the landscape of their business. Give you a
if I may give you a simple, simple example. A
business had a car rental fleet of cars forty cars deep,
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going great, but they started saying this car rental thing
might not be for me. I looked at their business
and said, you know what you're missing. You're losing a
lot of money on tolls and Texas. Every time you
touch the roads here, they're charging tolls. If you have
a car rental fleet, if you're not tracking the tolls properly,
you use it. I help them build an app that
tracks the tolls and then builds the customer for it directly.
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They ended up taking that app that they built for
their car and they sold it leased it twenty five
thirty forty dollars a month to every other car rental
agency in the area. That app ended up making them
a bigger income stream than the car rental agency itself. Wow,
that's the age we're in today. Your idea that's bubbling
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around in your head might very well be a bigger
income stream than the thing that you're doing. You might
be a baker, but the idea you have for tracking
recipes for all your cookies and distributing someone might pay
you fifteen twenty dollars a month to access your database
of recipes, but they might not buy twenty dollars or
cookies every month. That's the age we are in today.
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So when I look at it in that scope, AI
is significantly a bigger opportun tunity than it is a risk.
Now are there risks? Cybersecurity risks, privacy risks, data leakage risks.
Could China be spying or anywhere else be spying on
us and trying to reap private information about us through AI?
One hundred percent sad part of that, though, is Facebook's
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doing it too. Google's doing it too. You kind of
can't avoid it.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, I tell you what, Gregory, very entertaining.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I know that I want to get more into the AI,
especially in the nonprofit, especially in the church and spreading
the gospel conversation. Can I invite you back on the show?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Of course you would be honored, honored. I'll add this
the reason I personally focus on churches because where churches
and nonprofits, they usually don't have the budgets of the
big banks and the businesses, so they need the efficiency
that AI can bring even more.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So give me a riskite, give me a website before
we go, Give me a website because to reach out to.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You, Www. Gregory Richardson dot AI. Gregory Richardson dot AI,
really appreciate this opportunity to be here and talk to
your audience. Man, this has been a ton of fun.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You're awesome. You're awesome, and Gregor, we will talk soon.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Thank you for filling out that be a guest for him,
because that's how he submitted the information.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I contacted him.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
He's on the show and guess what, the information he's
provided on my show has been amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Thank you. For coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Appreciate you, sir, have a great one.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
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