April 1, 2022 • 27 mins
Grammy-nominated Paul Wall sits in to tell us all about his lucrative hip-hop career. He shares his input on the pros and cons of being with a major record company and being an independent artist, his grill shop Johnny Dang & Co, and his drive to keep hustling.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily
podcast determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom
of financial stability, wealth and abundance. Hey Money Movers, Welcome
to the Money Moves Podcast powered by Greenwood. Our next
(00:23):
guest is one of the most recognizable Southern rappers. He's
easily one of the most recognizable figures because of his grills,
but also for his music. He has been in the
industry for over twenty years and is still hustling to
this day. He recently released his latest studio album, Hall
of Fame Hustler in September. Shout out to the graphics
(00:43):
behind you on the screen, Mr Paul Wall, Welcome to
the Money Moves Show. What a dude. Thank you for
having me, Thank you for having me. Well, it's great
to be here, and I have to pick up Houston's
Grammy not nominated rapper, Mr Paul Wall. It's such a pleasure.
So welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I want to start off fight
congratulating you on your latest album. I want to dive
(01:04):
into that and talk a little bit about that. Tell
me about that. Yeah, it's the cover behind me is
the virtual background. It's a it's a parody of the
Akira anime uh book series, and of course it was
a show movie about it. Um. But this is something
that my my graphic designer came up with, even asking
me to do it for Hey, let's remake that a
care cover. Let's we make that a cure cover. We
(01:24):
just felt like the time was right for it, especially
with anime just booming right now, everybody all in the anime.
A little fun fact about this cover. My daughter you
can see here right in the passenger seat, she's actually
uh in there watching the anime while we were doing
the cover. She was watching the anime called Full Metal
Alchemists and uh yeah, but this is this is my
new album just dropped. Hall of Fame Hustler. It's just
(01:47):
old to all the hustlers out there, dedicated to anybody
who gets up, get on their grind every day, put
their best foot forward, you know, keep on moving with
the ups and the downs, and keep on pushing to
get to that final destination. That's what it's all about.
So all of fame hustlers out right now. Anyway you
can listen to any kind of music is there, there's
waiting on you. I love it. I love it and
like I will say, this podcast, Money Moves is all
(02:08):
about hustling. It's all about how you can make your
money move for you. And so if y'all need a
soundtrack for your hustle game today, make sure you check
that out. Okay, I'll set to shout up because you
are Houston native, like the car in there. So if
y'all haven't gone to his Instagram, please talk about those rooms. Yeah,
these rooms they are called elbows or swangers or you know.
(02:28):
The company that makes some's called Texting wire wheel. We
got a lot of street nicknames for him. Actually, the
wheels on my car right there are actually called Outlaws
the G fifteens, and they're just wire wheels. Did poke out,
you know. They originally came out in the nineteen eight three,
nineteen eighty four as addition to the Cadillac El Dorado
berrits Uh. They came out that year, and of course
(02:50):
they didn't stick out as far. They have, you know,
progressed over the years on how far they poke out.
So shout out to Texting Wild Wheels. It's a big
part of our culture, the car culture, and Texas and
just in the South in general. You know, We're spread out,
so if you want to get from point A to
point B, you gotta have some transportation. A lot of us.
We put a lot into our our cars. We take
(03:10):
more care of our cars. We do our own bodies.
Sometimes I watched my car, you know, every day. You
know what I'm saying, I'm making sure that thing cleaning.
So don't make me say that saying. I know what
you're saying. I didn't want to go there. I don't
want to go there. Yeah. Well, yeah, we take a
lot of care in our cars, for sure. Well I
love that album cover. Album cover, it's really it's really
(03:34):
it's really interesting, and I love the cars and grills
and stuff. But we'll get into that. I want to
go back into your long lasting music career. And you
originally started out as an independent artist before signing with
a record deal with Swiss Records. What do you prefer
Let's talk about the difference for budding entrepreneurs and musicians
out there independent labels or how was it going with Swish. Well,
(03:55):
when we did the switchouse Um Atlantic Asylum deal, it
was it was a step up. It was definitely like
going to the pros and it's a huge difference between
being independent and being a major label artist. And uh,
I think a lot of people don't even understand or
grasp what that is until it is the ride is over.
(04:15):
So I definitely encourage artists to really know what you're
getting yourself into, really think hard and long about what
you want out of your music career. You know, some
people say they want the money. Some people say they
want the longevity of having a career. That's their dream,
that was my goal, this is my dream job. You know.
Some people just want to put on for their community
or put on for their hood. You know, everybody has
(04:36):
a different goal. Whatever your goal is, you should really
think long and hard about it and strive for that goal.
Because independently, you definitely make a bigger share of the money.
When you're independent, you also have a much larger construct
control stake in what you do. You get to, you know,
say do what you you know, do what you want,
and whereas when you're a major artist, you kind of
gotta do what they tell you to do. And that's
(04:58):
a difficult a position. And being for somebody who's very
headstrong and they you know, are very confident in themselves
and they know what path they want to take when
you got outside. You know, people people that are hire
up cutting your paycheck, telling you not, no, not to
do it this way. You know, it's it's a difficult
position for a lot of people to be in, and
a lot of people don't understand all the politics that
(05:19):
goes into being an artist on a major label. It's
things outside of your control that have nothing to do
with you. You know, there's things that went on in
the music industry before you even began to record that
are having effects now. You know, things that happened where
this person and that person used to be on the
same label. Now they got into it, and now this
person is your CEO, and you got a song with
this artist, but he don't like that CEO, so they
(05:41):
want to charge extra money, or they don't want to
release the song, or just all these type of you know,
things that go on and people don't really understand. When
you're independent, you have complete control over what you do.
When you're a major artist, you sometimes don't have any
control over what you do. So I really encourage artists
to think long and hard about what you want to
you know, out of music, out of you're putting out
(06:02):
music and making music, what do you want out of it?
And whatever the goal is you want striving for that.
Some people say when they say they want money, but
they don't realize, well, to make the most amount of money,
you gotta make music. This may be different and not
necessarily true to who you are. For instance, it's a
proven fact that when you make music geared more toward females,
it sales more, it gets more radio play, it's more
(06:24):
TV play, all those things. I don't mean necessarily sexualized music,
but just music geared toward females. Whereas I want to
make music about my car, you know what I'm saying,
that's a kind of music I like to make. I
like making music about my car because when I listen
to music, I'm in my car listening to my music. Uh.
But this is something, you know, It's just something you
got to really understand before you really set out to
(06:45):
be the best self that you can be. You gotta really,
you know, have some goals laid out for you in
your path or what you want out of this music industry.
I mean the jams that I feel like, the older
I get when I hear them, it makes so much
more sense. But you know, when you're young, it kind
of washes over you. Oh, I mean to set a
goal and people are really vague about it and you're young,
like you just want to be like I want to
be popping, I want some money. But you know, I
(07:06):
hope you guys listen and tune in because these are
the O g s who are telling you, like, the
more intentional, the more you sculpt out your goals and
what you actually want, it like pushes you into success.
And like if you have to really understand, Okay, I
don't just want to create music, Like who do I
want to create music for? What does that mean? And
who do I want to work for? Like that's how
you get to the next level. Yeah, definitely, definitely. You
(07:28):
gotta you know, you gotta really just put your your
heart into it as well. Uh, some people they don't
treat it like a real profession. They treated like it's
a hobby or a leg And I've seen people, you know,
achieve success through that, you know, through you know, various
nuances or just you know, having stands or whatever might be. Ah,
you know, they had a good way of going for him.
But the people who have long term careers, like if
(07:51):
I look at me. I've been doing it for twenty years,
but who's been doing it for thirty years, who've been
doing it for forty years? Those are the people that
I want to you know, pat of my career after
people like Jay Z or Snoop Dogg. Now, of course
we're talking about the best of the best, of highest
elite of you know, hip hop artists in the game.
But at the same time, you know, who else would
I want to patter myself. I'm not trying to pat
on my career off flunkey. I'm trying to patter out
(08:13):
for somebody who's doing what they love to do, who's
respected for the type of music they put out, respected
in their communities. They might have evolved throughout the years,
but they never you know, changed too much from their
true you know persona of who they are. They're still
the same them. Uh And you know, just that's just
what I would like to do. You know, when when
I look at other genres of music and I see
(08:33):
artists who do it like Willie Nelson. It's a good
example just being me being from Texas and then being
from Texas. You know, he's he's getting up there in
age and he's been making music longer than probably I've
been even alive, and I'm forty years old. He's probably
been making music longer than that, you know what I'm saying.
So that's somebody I definitely can pattern my business, you know,
ethics off of, you know, showing up on time. That's
(08:56):
a crucial aspect to the music business or any business
you in, any profession. I was always taught that if
you're on time, that's being fifteen minutes early. When you're
fifteen minutes early, that's on time. But when you show
up on time, are you late? You already late? You
show up just if you We're supposed to be at twelve,
and I saw up on twelve. I'm late. I got
(09:16):
solver level forty five. And if I show up late,
like twelve or five, one minute late, that's unacceptable. It's
unacceptable be late, especially when you're getting paid to be somewhere.
You know, it's difficult to music because you know you
you you're made a star, so it's like everything revolves
around you, so you feel like you don't have to
be on time necessarily. I'm not ready. I'm gonna sho
(09:36):
up when I want to, and that might work. When
you got the number one song in the country, but
years from now when you yeah, you got nine, you're
gonna cross over all them bridges that you were late
to and they don't remember that. That's so true. That's
so true. And like, you can't get stardom to be
confused with entrepreneurship, and you've got all these people who
are out there working under you to like make this
big dream come true. No doubt, there's a big confew
(10:00):
amongst you know, popularity and fame versus success, you know,
and even popularity and fame are you know it could
you could be popular famous because you did something infamous.
You could you know, you could have shot up at
school now you're famous. That necessary doesn't necessarily mean you're
successful at all. You know, how many followers you have,
(10:21):
how many likes you have, comments you don't get none
of that is not equivalent to success. But so many
of us put that filter on success. We think, oh,
it's this person, you know, how many followers do they have,
or they're successful and says, you don't know many got
two many followers? You know? That's or even with the
with the music and things like that. You know, it's
(10:42):
how many of you. Somebody has, you know, or does
not equate how good the music is. You know, if
I if I see somebody abstract got a song and
they got something crazy going on right now, they dropped
the song, I might check it out to see what
it's sounded like. But I don't mean I'm gonna listen
back to it and tomorrow or a year from now
or teen years from now. And that's the type of
(11:02):
music I want to make. I want to be known for,
not what's popping right now today. But you know, what
is my leg where's my legacy left when I'm when
I'm gone, when I'm retired from making music, or when
I'm dead and gone? What is my you know, what
is my resume speak for? What does it say? What
is my my music accolade? Not not awards or anything
like that, but just the just the integrity of the music.
(11:24):
You know what I'm saying. What kind of music did
I make? That's what it's important to me. So one
of the things, like especially with Greenwood and Money Moves,
we love to talk about legacy and generational wealth, and
you know, I like to ask people how that's evolved
for you over time, Like think of yourself as a
young kid in the streets, Like how your thoughts on
what financial success was has evolved now you have kids,
(11:46):
a wife, um, and sort of like what were your
early messaging as a kid to now? I was conflicted
because I grew up in a neighborhood where you know,
some of my friends they had never went to the
other side of town for in their life, and just
to do that would cause an anxiety attack. Just to
leave our immediate neighborhood or our block, we'll get them anxiety. Uh.
(12:08):
You know. So I always had a wander spirit of
traveler type of spirit. Um. I don't know where it
came from. Maybe my grandfather. He was in the military,
so he traveled all around the world. My mother as well,
she traveled all around the world growing up in the
military household, and even then as she went on to
you know, a young adult living her own life, she
was a traveler. So that traveler my frame was always
(12:31):
in me to to go be an adventurer somewhere, you
know what I'm saying, like Indiana Jones or something. So
I always wanted to go to different countries, you know,
remote location somewhere that's like in the jungle or something like.
Those are things that always like entice me. You know
what I'm saying, Just something different than what I was
used to seeing every day. And and my neighborhood success
was measured off of what kind of car you had,
(12:52):
how much jury you had, and what kind of closed
you are. But it's the exact opposite. You know. I
look at people who spend all their money on on
designer clothes, and some of these people, they, you know,
wear these clothes once or twice, and then they feel
like they can't wear them no more because already took
pictures wearing that are already wore to this or to that,
so now I can't wear it. So I'm just I
(13:12):
ain't busting I'm not busting my tail twenty five hours
a day, missing sleep, you know, missing family, doing whatever
I do to buy a pair of shoes or you know,
even in on our younger days, you know, it wasn't
really name brand clothes. It was like Jordan's. But you
know we used to say, man, I'm not out here
hustling puson Jordan's. I'm trying to get real rich, like
wealthy rich, not like new clothes, new car, new jury, rich,
(13:36):
but like houses, you own businesses, those type of things.
So that's what what the success is measured. Now. It's
not at all like what kind of clothes. Now when
I see people wearing name brand clothes and tell me, okay,
that's what their money at. Their money went to what
they're wearing. It's not in their bank account, it's on
their body, on their person right now. But you know,
I always encourage people the same way. You know you
(13:56):
wanna when when you're younger, you know you might have
different goals. Might be your only goals. Man, I just
want a nice cars and clothes and sejury. I'm good,
you know, because in your mind. Even I remember those days.
In my mind, I felt like I could live on
Golf Bank my whole life and they'd be cool. You know,
I'm cool to live in apartments on Golf Bank my
whole life. Or even when I moved to South Park,
you know, I'm cool to live in this this house
(14:18):
in South Park my whole entire life. Actually growing up
my dream, you know, and acres homes. It's you know,
it's a quite a few rundown houses, but every nine
and then you see one big house. It'll be like
a mansion, and it'll be like, man, who owned this house.
A lot of times it's like a ballplayer or something
who you know, bought a house for their grandma or
their family or something like that. But when you're just
(14:40):
driving through the neighborhood and you don't know the success
story of who built that house, you just see a
bunch of rundown houses and then you see a mansion,
You're like, man, that's that was My goal was to
have a mansion in the hood and just live living
a man's in the hood. My whole life. I thought
that was the you know, the greatest thing in the
world to still live in the community that you grew
up in and you know, and be there so you know,
(15:01):
you're the goals kind of just changed throughout the years.
And you know, even in my generation was taught you
gotta make it out the hood, make it out as
in leave and survive and leave. But you know, I
think some of that messaging, you know what I'm saying,
got confused because it's really not about leaving the hood
and making it out the hood. It's about bettering your
community so that you don't want to leave, you know,
make it a better place. So that you don't want
(15:23):
to leave. But whether it's making safer, make it, you know, uh,
whether you're investing into you know, houses or just you know,
businesses and things or whatever, just you know, you want
to make it a better place, you know, so that
you won't want to leave. And that's something that you know,
we we lose, we lose sight of a lot of times. No,
And I think like that messaging and just being able
to share your story create opportunity for others and just
(15:45):
like create visions so that people can set their goals,
you know. Okay, it may be a ownership in the hood,
owning the big house in the hood, moving out of
the whatever it is. But just as long as you're
intentional about sort of creating these goals and doing what
you love. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Okay. So one
one thing that we if anybody knows anything about you,
that you love your grills. And so this is a
(16:08):
perfect example. Oh yeah, what I mean, I love diamonds.
So I feel like this could be an next trajectory
for me, Like I can just but this is a
perfect example of taking something you're passionate about and partnering
with your friend to create a business, So talk to
us about grills. Grills is something that you know, I
grew up the people I admire the most, who with
(16:30):
the most respected they had goal teeth and some of
them that had a little bit more money or the
most money, they had diamonds on their teeth. So it's
something of course we always wanted, always wanted that growing up.
And shout out to my partner Johnny, Dang what it dude,
My boy made. He changed my life when I when
I partnered with Johnny and we started. He used to
actually he was the one who made the grills, and
(16:52):
he allowed for people like myself to be salesman where
we would just go be like mobile salesman where we
would just do sell it out our trum go. I
would go to various different stores, you know, throughout the week. Monday,
I made this store, Tuesday, I'm at this, Wednesday, I'm
at that store, and you know Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I'm
at the flat market or somewhere just hustling grills and
sometimes I go out of town with it whatever. And
(17:13):
it was really like to do it yourself, hustle where
if you got to hustling, grind and you do good business,
you're gonna make a lot of good money. So shout
out to my boy Johnny Dang. He changed my life
in a lot of people's lives by giving us that
opportunity and to still be partnered with him to this
day and you know, be recognized as you know, the
elite jeweler and the rapt game or just periody when
(17:33):
you talk about you know what jewel you're gonna go
to to get some jury Johnny Damon, Johnny Dang is
always mentioned, So shout out to my boy. I love
this until it's also testing it again to your album
like Hall of Fame hustler, people honestly think that, you know,
people get some money and they get too good to
do it. You were like I was a door to
door salesman, like hustling, Like this is what a real
hustler is, Like I ain't too big to take my
(17:56):
stuff and like go door to door and sell, like
that's how you get your marketing in industry. Yeah, and
some people feel like, you know, once you quote unquote
make it, once you make it, you don't have to
work anymore. And it was like that, you know, for
major for artists to get on the major label. A
lot of artists think, oh, once I get my major deal,
I made it. I don't have to work now. This
is I was taught. The hustle is forever. It's never
(18:19):
gonna stop till the day that you die. The hustle
is forever. If you let up on your hustle just
because you made a little bit of success, then what
you're doing is allowing for other people to wedge their
way in and push you out. You know. Uh so
if you people get burned out, to burnout is real though,
even on success, people get successful and they get burnt
out on being successful, they they lose the motivation of
(18:42):
the spunk. My boy reached the fact that you always
say you can never lose your spunk. So whatever your
spunk is, whatever that motivation that they puts, that pep
in your step, you can never lose it. And if
you do lose it is hell getting it back. It's
a hell of a journey to get that thing back.
So you gotta you gotta, you gotta have multiple hustles
as well, you know, because some of them are gonna
(19:04):
have some ups and downs. Some of them might be seasonal,
you know, and that's okay. If that's seasonal, you just
got a plan for that. And you know, be aware
and open Floyd, and always hustle no matter what you do.
I always put your best full forward. You know, treat
every every person you're dealing with. Treat them like you
would accustomed. How would you want to be treated? Uh
to me? No matter what you're selling or what business
you know, and those type of ethics are gonna you
(19:27):
know that that's the difference in a successful business and
an unsuccessful business. Yea, And the hustle is forever. I
really like that. I hope you know, people think you
can just kick your feet up on an island and
your money just starts making money for you. Yeah, okay,
sure that happens. But like you know, the biggest people
in your getting Look at jay Z, don't they hustle.
They're just sitting around. I mean they're on a yacht,
but still hustling. You know, the hust The list of
(19:49):
Rick Rosses businesses. He's got so many side businesses and
side ventures. Now, if I'm a rap artist and I
say okay I want to be, I see the house
Rick Ross Guide and you just put it in and
coming to American part two, and they pay them all
kind of means of dollars to use the house. I
want to get that, Well, you gotta understand he didn't
get that solely off of wrapping and making music. Even then,
(20:12):
you know, it's not just the studio work. There's the groundwork.
There's the interviews, there's the tour, and there's the treating
your fans, you know, properly and not disrespecting your fans.
You know, those types of things. You know, it's a
lot of work that comes with it. And there's a
huge sense of entitlement to people that are dope. If
you're dope. In any industry, if you're dope, a lot
(20:32):
of people, not all, but a lot of people feel
a sense of entitlement that they're dope, so they should
be successful. And that might be true, but you've got
to put in the work, uh to achieve that success.
Just being dope, just that, that ain't the equation to success.
Being dope equal success. Now it's dope plus the work
plus a whole lot of other stuff equal success. You
know what I'm saying, You can't have the equation without
(20:54):
the hard work, Okay, because I can't take my eyes
off these girls. Let's go back to this. So that
girl in the back, like, how much cost? This is
the grill in the background. This is a permanent grill. Uh,
looks like it's about eight teeth at the top, maybe
six at the bottom, with a solid on the size
something right there. This is about maybe and it's a
(21:15):
permanent one. So you get there. That one, that one
in the background is a permanent grill. Yep. The permanent
grills always cost a little bit more because you have
to have you have to do the complete full size
of every single tooth, uh, instead of just one bar
that goes across usually on the permanent grills to their
eighteen care goal, which is a higher carret, a little
bit more expensive. And of course you know them diamonds
(21:37):
and ain't nobody's skimp on them diamonds. That's the top nots,
that's the flawlers right there. So that's definitely a high
dollar grill right there. Okay, how do I brush my
teeth with that? You brush them the same way? Actually,
you know, I brush my teeth every day with a
tooth brush toothpaste with the same way you gargle. That
is another issue. There's a misconception, and people with grills
have bad breath. Now, people that have bad hygiene have
(21:59):
bad breath. So whether you've got grills or not, if
you got bad hygiene, you can have bad breath. If
you got good hygiene and grills, your teeth gonna be great.
It's gonna be good experiment. How many girls do you have?
I got about maybe nine or ten sets. I've lost
quite a few sets of grills as well over the years.
I probably lost as many as I have. You know,
(22:20):
lose your diving team. It's not like in bigger line
just being careless or what it really be is I
get a new set and then I'll lose misplaced the
old one. So I don't know. Maybe in my driard
it's a few grills laying around. I know one time
in my old house, I got out of my car
and uh, you know, I didn't realize I had my
grills in my lap and they went into the yard somewhere,
(22:44):
and then I realized that later on I went back
looking for him and I could not find them. So
any treasure hunters out there, man, go look at my
old A dress in the yard is set of air
rings and set of grills waiting done. You tell me
the most expensive grill that you guys have made. Well,
you know there is a level like a cap. How
much you know a grill will cost us to make?
(23:05):
Now from that, it's how much we sell it for
is endless, you know, because you know the value is
not necessarily what is worth or cost to make. It's
what someone will pay for it. Now. Me and my
partner Johnny Dane, we try to always walk the line
of not taking advantage of somebody just because they got
a lot of money, just because they want to spend it.
(23:27):
But we do come across some customers who they just
out there. They made some money. They don't care how
much it costs. They want to spend more so they
can say, yeah, I spend fifty on my grill, even
though it might only cost thirty. But even then, we
don't like taking advantage of somebody because if you overcharge somebody,
they walk out your store and then they come back
(23:48):
and they're like, wait a minute, I went to this
jeweler and he said he could have made the same
thing for way. You know, that's not a that's an
unpleasant situation to be in. So we try to avoid
all of that. No matter what, we try to give
what is worth and we, like I said, those type
of tenants of just treating people how you want to
be treated as a business owner. As a businessman, a
salesperson goes a long way. And if you want to
(24:09):
repeat customers. If somebody come in there ready to spend
thirty for the for a grill, you know, I might
be looking at all man, I might make money right now,
but what you really got to look at is the
long term money. You know, not just this quick lick here.
But when they walk away and they're going around telling
everybody what they spotting, they going to other jewelers or whatever.
You want the jeweler to say, Oh yeah, yah, they
got you a good deal. They get yea how much
(24:29):
you show that's a good deal. Yeah, that's a good deal.
You ain't gonna lie that exactly that conversation, because then
it just drives. That's how you get organic, authentic customers,
people singing your praises and they drive more business. And
absolutely right right, and we get to repeat customers of
you know, now they're bringing their kids, and we've got
some people we've been business so long, we got kids,
we got people bringing their grandkids in. Now, you know
(24:50):
what I'm saying, where that's what we want. We want
We want this business to roll over and turn over
to our children, our kids, Johnny's kids, my kids. You
know what I'm saying. We don't just to be just
a one time thing. And oh you know, always the
business has gone. Now this is a family business. And
that's something I learned from Johnny. When Johnny came here,
when he immigrated from Vietnam. His whole family came over
(25:11):
here as a refugees from the war, and a lot
of his family is in the jury business. He has
a few brothers who are in it, as well as
his parents who are in it. Uh. And you know
he's got a lot of you know, cousins and or whatever. Man,
shout out to my boy Johnny. He's the only person
I know, only jeweler who regularly hires ex cons and felons.
You know, he hires people of all races, you know.
(25:33):
And you wrote a lot of these jewelry stores you
don't see that. You you know, you only see a
certain type of employee at that store, and that's it.
But shout out to my boy Johnny for giving people
a second chance like that, because I've seen people come
out of jail to you know, coming there and they
asked for a second chance, and Johnny will give it
to him and they'll completely turn their life around. It's
been such a pleasure having you join us today. Paul.
(25:54):
Please please please tell people how they can reach you
on social media, where to find your album, where to
get a grill, all of the above, all of the above.
Hit up at Paul Wall Baby, Paul Baby. That's my
social media for basically all my handles other than tikdok.
That's Paul All Baby, sept One three. You know what
I'm saying. But and it's my new album right here
in the backgrounds called Hall of Fame Hustler. You can
(26:16):
get that. Anywhere you listen to any music is gonna
be right there waiting on you, sitting on nice waiting
on you. You know what I'm saying. That he killed
hey and uh shout out to my boy Johnny Dang.
Anybody want any drewelor any Drewy or grills at all,
they can, of course, you can hit me up, but
I suggest you hit up Johnny Dang, Johnny Dang and co.
That's the Instagram handle all that uh and you can
go to the website to Johnny Dang and Company dot
(26:36):
com and check us out already. Thank you for having me.
It's a true pleasure honor to be here with you.
Thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you so much for
joining us today. It has been such a pleasure. We
love hearing your stories and hearing your music, so we
hope that people get to streaming get too fine and
thank you so much. Yeah, thank you for having me.
(26:57):
Money Movers. Make sure you follow Paul and all many
businesses on their social media handles and listen to his
new album Hall of Fame Hustlers out now. Stream stream
stream Come on people, make sure you tune in Monday
through Friday and subscribe to the Money Moves podcast powered
by Greenwood, so that you can have the keys to
the financial freedom you so rightly deserve. See you next time,
(27:17):
Money Movers. Thank you so much for tuning in Money
Moves audience. If you want more or a recap of
this episode, please go to the bank Greenwood dot com
and check out the Money Moves podcast blog. Money Moves
is an I heart radio podcast powered by Greenwood Executive
produced by Sunwise Media Inc. For more podcast on I
(27:40):
heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts from.
Hey Money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily
podcast determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom
of financial stability, wealth and abundance. Hey Money Movers, Welcome
to the Money Moves Podcast powered by Greenwood. Our next
(00:23):
guest is one of the most recognizable Southern rappers. He's
easily one of the most recognizable figures because of his grills,
but also for his music. He has been in the
industry for over twenty years and is still hustling to
this day. He recently released his latest studio album, Hall
of Fame Hustler in September. Shout out to the graphics
(00:43):
behind you on the screen, Mr Paul Wall, Welcome to
the Money Moves Show. What a dude. Thank you for
having me, Thank you for having me. Well, it's great
to be here, and I have to pick up Houston's
Grammy not nominated rapper, Mr Paul Wall. It's such a pleasure.
So welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I want to start off fight
congratulating you on your latest album. I want to dive
(01:04):
into that and talk a little bit about that. Tell
me about that. Yeah, it's the cover behind me is
the virtual background. It's a it's a parody of the
Akira anime uh book series, and of course it was
a show movie about it. Um. But this is something
that my my graphic designer came up with, even asking
me to do it for Hey, let's remake that a
care cover. Let's we make that a cure cover. We
(01:24):
just felt like the time was right for it, especially
with anime just booming right now, everybody all in the anime.
A little fun fact about this cover. My daughter you
can see here right in the passenger seat, she's actually
uh in there watching the anime while we were doing
the cover. She was watching the anime called Full Metal
Alchemists and uh yeah, but this is this is my
new album just dropped. Hall of Fame Hustler. It's just
(01:47):
old to all the hustlers out there, dedicated to anybody
who gets up, get on their grind every day, put
their best foot forward, you know, keep on moving with
the ups and the downs, and keep on pushing to
get to that final destination. That's what it's all about.
So all of fame hustlers out right now. Anyway you
can listen to any kind of music is there, there's
waiting on you. I love it. I love it and
like I will say, this podcast, Money Moves is all
(02:08):
about hustling. It's all about how you can make your
money move for you. And so if y'all need a
soundtrack for your hustle game today, make sure you check
that out. Okay, I'll set to shout up because you
are Houston native, like the car in there. So if
y'all haven't gone to his Instagram, please talk about those rooms. Yeah,
these rooms they are called elbows or swangers or you know.
(02:28):
The company that makes some's called Texting wire wheel. We
got a lot of street nicknames for him. Actually, the
wheels on my car right there are actually called Outlaws
the G fifteens, and they're just wire wheels. Did poke out,
you know. They originally came out in the nineteen eight three,
nineteen eighty four as addition to the Cadillac El Dorado
berrits Uh. They came out that year, and of course
(02:50):
they didn't stick out as far. They have, you know,
progressed over the years on how far they poke out.
So shout out to Texting Wild Wheels. It's a big
part of our culture, the car culture, and Texas and
just in the South in general. You know, We're spread out,
so if you want to get from point A to
point B, you gotta have some transportation. A lot of us.
We put a lot into our our cars. We take
(03:10):
more care of our cars. We do our own bodies.
Sometimes I watched my car, you know, every day. You
know what I'm saying, I'm making sure that thing cleaning.
So don't make me say that saying. I know what
you're saying. I didn't want to go there. I don't
want to go there. Yeah. Well, yeah, we take a
lot of care in our cars, for sure. Well I
love that album cover. Album cover, it's really it's really
(03:34):
it's really interesting, and I love the cars and grills
and stuff. But we'll get into that. I want to
go back into your long lasting music career. And you
originally started out as an independent artist before signing with
a record deal with Swiss Records. What do you prefer
Let's talk about the difference for budding entrepreneurs and musicians
out there independent labels or how was it going with Swish. Well,
(03:55):
when we did the switchouse Um Atlantic Asylum deal, it
was it was a step up. It was definitely like
going to the pros and it's a huge difference between
being independent and being a major label artist. And uh,
I think a lot of people don't even understand or
grasp what that is until it is the ride is over.
(04:15):
So I definitely encourage artists to really know what you're
getting yourself into, really think hard and long about what
you want out of your music career. You know, some
people say they want the money. Some people say they
want the longevity of having a career. That's their dream,
that was my goal, this is my dream job. You know.
Some people just want to put on for their community
or put on for their hood. You know, everybody has
(04:36):
a different goal. Whatever your goal is, you should really
think long and hard about it and strive for that goal.
Because independently, you definitely make a bigger share of the money.
When you're independent, you also have a much larger construct
control stake in what you do. You get to, you know,
say do what you you know, do what you want,
and whereas when you're a major artist, you kind of
gotta do what they tell you to do. And that's
(04:58):
a difficult a position. And being for somebody who's very
headstrong and they you know, are very confident in themselves
and they know what path they want to take when
you got outside. You know, people people that are hire
up cutting your paycheck, telling you not, no, not to
do it this way. You know, it's it's a difficult
position for a lot of people to be in, and
a lot of people don't understand all the politics that
(05:19):
goes into being an artist on a major label. It's
things outside of your control that have nothing to do
with you. You know, there's things that went on in
the music industry before you even began to record that
are having effects now. You know, things that happened where
this person and that person used to be on the
same label. Now they got into it, and now this
person is your CEO, and you got a song with
this artist, but he don't like that CEO, so they
(05:41):
want to charge extra money, or they don't want to
release the song, or just all these type of you know,
things that go on and people don't really understand. When
you're independent, you have complete control over what you do.
When you're a major artist, you sometimes don't have any
control over what you do. So I really encourage artists
to think long and hard about what you want to
you know, out of music, out of you're putting out
(06:02):
music and making music, what do you want out of it?
And whatever the goal is you want striving for that.
Some people say when they say they want money, but
they don't realize, well, to make the most amount of money,
you gotta make music. This may be different and not
necessarily true to who you are. For instance, it's a
proven fact that when you make music geared more toward females,
it sales more, it gets more radio play, it's more
(06:24):
TV play, all those things. I don't mean necessarily sexualized music,
but just music geared toward females. Whereas I want to
make music about my car, you know what I'm saying,
that's a kind of music I like to make. I
like making music about my car because when I listen
to music, I'm in my car listening to my music. Uh.
But this is something, you know, It's just something you
got to really understand before you really set out to
(06:45):
be the best self that you can be. You gotta really,
you know, have some goals laid out for you in
your path or what you want out of this music industry.
I mean the jams that I feel like, the older
I get when I hear them, it makes so much
more sense. But you know, when you're young, it kind
of washes over you. Oh, I mean to set a
goal and people are really vague about it and you're young,
like you just want to be like I want to
be popping, I want some money. But you know, I
(07:06):
hope you guys listen and tune in because these are
the O g s who are telling you, like, the
more intentional, the more you sculpt out your goals and
what you actually want, it like pushes you into success.
And like if you have to really understand, Okay, I
don't just want to create music, Like who do I
want to create music for? What does that mean? And
who do I want to work for? Like that's how
you get to the next level. Yeah, definitely, definitely. You
(07:28):
gotta you know, you gotta really just put your your
heart into it as well. Uh, some people they don't
treat it like a real profession. They treated like it's
a hobby or a leg And I've seen people, you know,
achieve success through that, you know, through you know, various
nuances or just you know, having stands or whatever might be. Ah,
you know, they had a good way of going for him.
But the people who have long term careers, like if
(07:51):
I look at me. I've been doing it for twenty years,
but who's been doing it for thirty years, who've been
doing it for forty years? Those are the people that
I want to you know, pat of my career after
people like Jay Z or Snoop Dogg. Now, of course
we're talking about the best of the best, of highest
elite of you know, hip hop artists in the game.
But at the same time, you know, who else would
I want to patter myself. I'm not trying to pat
on my career off flunkey. I'm trying to patter out
(08:13):
for somebody who's doing what they love to do, who's
respected for the type of music they put out, respected
in their communities. They might have evolved throughout the years,
but they never you know, changed too much from their
true you know persona of who they are. They're still
the same them. Uh And you know, just that's just
what I would like to do. You know, when when
I look at other genres of music and I see
(08:33):
artists who do it like Willie Nelson. It's a good
example just being me being from Texas and then being
from Texas. You know, he's he's getting up there in
age and he's been making music longer than probably I've
been even alive, and I'm forty years old. He's probably
been making music longer than that, you know what I'm saying.
So that's somebody I definitely can pattern my business, you know,
ethics off of, you know, showing up on time. That's
(08:56):
a crucial aspect to the music business or any business
you in, any profession. I was always taught that if
you're on time, that's being fifteen minutes early. When you're
fifteen minutes early, that's on time. But when you show
up on time, are you late? You already late? You
show up just if you We're supposed to be at twelve,
and I saw up on twelve. I'm late. I got
(09:16):
solver level forty five. And if I show up late,
like twelve or five, one minute late, that's unacceptable. It's
unacceptable be late, especially when you're getting paid to be somewhere.
You know, it's difficult to music because you know you
you you're made a star, so it's like everything revolves
around you, so you feel like you don't have to
be on time necessarily. I'm not ready. I'm gonna sho
(09:36):
up when I want to, and that might work. When
you got the number one song in the country, but
years from now when you yeah, you got nine, you're
gonna cross over all them bridges that you were late
to and they don't remember that. That's so true. That's
so true. And like, you can't get stardom to be
confused with entrepreneurship, and you've got all these people who
are out there working under you to like make this
big dream come true. No doubt, there's a big confew
(10:00):
amongst you know, popularity and fame versus success, you know,
and even popularity and fame are you know it could
you could be popular famous because you did something infamous.
You could you know, you could have shot up at
school now you're famous. That necessary doesn't necessarily mean you're
successful at all. You know, how many followers you have,
(10:21):
how many likes you have, comments you don't get none
of that is not equivalent to success. But so many
of us put that filter on success. We think, oh,
it's this person, you know, how many followers do they have,
or they're successful and says, you don't know many got
two many followers? You know? That's or even with the
with the music and things like that. You know, it's
(10:42):
how many of you. Somebody has, you know, or does
not equate how good the music is. You know, if
I if I see somebody abstract got a song and
they got something crazy going on right now, they dropped
the song, I might check it out to see what
it's sounded like. But I don't mean I'm gonna listen
back to it and tomorrow or a year from now
or teen years from now. And that's the type of
(11:02):
music I want to make. I want to be known for,
not what's popping right now today. But you know, what
is my leg where's my legacy left when I'm when
I'm gone, when I'm retired from making music, or when
I'm dead and gone? What is my you know, what
is my resume speak for? What does it say? What
is my my music accolade? Not not awards or anything
like that, but just the just the integrity of the music.
(11:24):
You know what I'm saying. What kind of music did
I make? That's what it's important to me. So one
of the things, like especially with Greenwood and Money Moves,
we love to talk about legacy and generational wealth, and
you know, I like to ask people how that's evolved
for you over time, Like think of yourself as a
young kid in the streets, Like how your thoughts on
what financial success was has evolved now you have kids,
(11:46):
a wife, um, and sort of like what were your
early messaging as a kid to now? I was conflicted
because I grew up in a neighborhood where you know,
some of my friends they had never went to the
other side of town for in their life, and just
to do that would cause an anxiety attack. Just to
leave our immediate neighborhood or our block, we'll get them anxiety. Uh.
(12:08):
You know. So I always had a wander spirit of
traveler type of spirit. Um. I don't know where it
came from. Maybe my grandfather. He was in the military,
so he traveled all around the world. My mother as well,
she traveled all around the world growing up in the
military household, and even then as she went on to
you know, a young adult living her own life, she
was a traveler. So that traveler my frame was always
(12:31):
in me to to go be an adventurer somewhere, you
know what I'm saying, like Indiana Jones or something. So
I always wanted to go to different countries, you know,
remote location somewhere that's like in the jungle or something like.
Those are things that always like entice me. You know
what I'm saying, Just something different than what I was
used to seeing every day. And and my neighborhood success
was measured off of what kind of car you had,
(12:52):
how much jury you had, and what kind of closed
you are. But it's the exact opposite. You know. I
look at people who spend all their money on on
designer clothes, and some of these people, they, you know,
wear these clothes once or twice, and then they feel
like they can't wear them no more because already took
pictures wearing that are already wore to this or to that,
so now I can't wear it. So I'm just I
(13:12):
ain't busting I'm not busting my tail twenty five hours
a day, missing sleep, you know, missing family, doing whatever
I do to buy a pair of shoes or you know,
even in on our younger days, you know, it wasn't
really name brand clothes. It was like Jordan's. But you
know we used to say, man, I'm not out here
hustling puson Jordan's. I'm trying to get real rich, like
wealthy rich, not like new clothes, new car, new jury, rich,
(13:36):
but like houses, you own businesses, those type of things.
So that's what what the success is measured. Now. It's
not at all like what kind of clothes. Now when
I see people wearing name brand clothes and tell me, okay,
that's what their money at. Their money went to what
they're wearing. It's not in their bank account, it's on
their body, on their person right now. But you know,
I always encourage people the same way. You know you
(13:56):
wanna when when you're younger, you know you might have
different goals. Might be your only goals. Man, I just
want a nice cars and clothes and sejury. I'm good,
you know, because in your mind. Even I remember those days.
In my mind, I felt like I could live on
Golf Bank my whole life and they'd be cool. You know,
I'm cool to live in apartments on Golf Bank my
whole life. Or even when I moved to South Park,
you know, I'm cool to live in this this house
(14:18):
in South Park my whole entire life. Actually growing up
my dream, you know, and acres homes. It's you know,
it's a quite a few rundown houses, but every nine
and then you see one big house. It'll be like
a mansion, and it'll be like, man, who owned this house.
A lot of times it's like a ballplayer or something
who you know, bought a house for their grandma or
their family or something like that. But when you're just
(14:40):
driving through the neighborhood and you don't know the success
story of who built that house, you just see a
bunch of rundown houses and then you see a mansion,
You're like, man, that's that was My goal was to
have a mansion in the hood and just live living
a man's in the hood. My whole life. I thought
that was the you know, the greatest thing in the
world to still live in the community that you grew
up in and you know, and be there so you know,
(15:01):
you're the goals kind of just changed throughout the years.
And you know, even in my generation was taught you
gotta make it out the hood, make it out as
in leave and survive and leave. But you know, I
think some of that messaging, you know what I'm saying,
got confused because it's really not about leaving the hood
and making it out the hood. It's about bettering your
community so that you don't want to leave, you know,
make it a better place. So that you don't want
(15:23):
to leave. But whether it's making safer, make it, you know, uh,
whether you're investing into you know, houses or just you know,
businesses and things or whatever, just you know, you want
to make it a better place, you know, so that
you won't want to leave. And that's something that you know,
we we lose, we lose sight of a lot of times. No,
And I think like that messaging and just being able
to share your story create opportunity for others and just
(15:45):
like create visions so that people can set their goals,
you know. Okay, it may be a ownership in the hood,
owning the big house in the hood, moving out of
the whatever it is. But just as long as you're
intentional about sort of creating these goals and doing what
you love. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Okay. So one
one thing that we if anybody knows anything about you,
that you love your grills. And so this is a
(16:08):
perfect example. Oh yeah, what I mean, I love diamonds.
So I feel like this could be an next trajectory
for me, Like I can just but this is a
perfect example of taking something you're passionate about and partnering
with your friend to create a business, So talk to
us about grills. Grills is something that you know, I
grew up the people I admire the most, who with
(16:30):
the most respected they had goal teeth and some of
them that had a little bit more money or the
most money, they had diamonds on their teeth. So it's
something of course we always wanted, always wanted that growing up.
And shout out to my partner Johnny, Dang what it dude,
My boy made. He changed my life when I when
I partnered with Johnny and we started. He used to
actually he was the one who made the grills, and
(16:52):
he allowed for people like myself to be salesman where
we would just go be like mobile salesman where we
would just do sell it out our trum go. I
would go to various different stores, you know, throughout the week. Monday,
I made this store, Tuesday, I'm at this, Wednesday, I'm
at that store, and you know Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I'm
at the flat market or somewhere just hustling grills and
sometimes I go out of town with it whatever. And
(17:13):
it was really like to do it yourself, hustle where
if you got to hustling, grind and you do good business,
you're gonna make a lot of good money. So shout
out to my boy Johnny Dang. He changed my life
in a lot of people's lives by giving us that
opportunity and to still be partnered with him to this
day and you know, be recognized as you know, the
elite jeweler and the rapt game or just periody when
(17:33):
you talk about you know what jewel you're gonna go
to to get some jury Johnny Damon, Johnny Dang is
always mentioned, So shout out to my boy. I love
this until it's also testing it again to your album
like Hall of Fame hustler, people honestly think that, you know,
people get some money and they get too good to
do it. You were like I was a door to
door salesman, like hustling, Like this is what a real
hustler is, Like I ain't too big to take my
(17:56):
stuff and like go door to door and sell, like
that's how you get your marketing in industry. Yeah, and
some people feel like, you know, once you quote unquote
make it, once you make it, you don't have to
work anymore. And it was like that, you know, for
major for artists to get on the major label. A
lot of artists think, oh, once I get my major deal,
I made it. I don't have to work now. This
is I was taught. The hustle is forever. It's never
(18:19):
gonna stop till the day that you die. The hustle
is forever. If you let up on your hustle just
because you made a little bit of success, then what
you're doing is allowing for other people to wedge their
way in and push you out. You know. Uh so
if you people get burned out, to burnout is real though,
even on success, people get successful and they get burnt
out on being successful, they they lose the motivation of
(18:42):
the spunk. My boy reached the fact that you always
say you can never lose your spunk. So whatever your
spunk is, whatever that motivation that they puts, that pep
in your step, you can never lose it. And if
you do lose it is hell getting it back. It's
a hell of a journey to get that thing back.
So you gotta you gotta, you gotta have multiple hustles
as well, you know, because some of them are gonna
(19:04):
have some ups and downs. Some of them might be seasonal,
you know, and that's okay. If that's seasonal, you just
got a plan for that. And you know, be aware
and open Floyd, and always hustle no matter what you do.
I always put your best full forward. You know, treat
every every person you're dealing with. Treat them like you
would accustomed. How would you want to be treated? Uh
to me? No matter what you're selling or what business
you know, and those type of ethics are gonna you
(19:27):
know that that's the difference in a successful business and
an unsuccessful business. Yea, And the hustle is forever. I
really like that. I hope you know, people think you
can just kick your feet up on an island and
your money just starts making money for you. Yeah, okay,
sure that happens. But like you know, the biggest people
in your getting Look at jay Z, don't they hustle.
They're just sitting around. I mean they're on a yacht,
but still hustling. You know, the hust The list of
(19:49):
Rick Rosses businesses. He's got so many side businesses and
side ventures. Now, if I'm a rap artist and I
say okay I want to be, I see the house
Rick Ross Guide and you just put it in and
coming to American part two, and they pay them all
kind of means of dollars to use the house. I
want to get that, Well, you gotta understand he didn't
get that solely off of wrapping and making music. Even then,
(20:12):
you know, it's not just the studio work. There's the groundwork.
There's the interviews, there's the tour, and there's the treating
your fans, you know, properly and not disrespecting your fans.
You know, those types of things. You know, it's a
lot of work that comes with it. And there's a
huge sense of entitlement to people that are dope. If
you're dope. In any industry, if you're dope, a lot
(20:32):
of people, not all, but a lot of people feel
a sense of entitlement that they're dope, so they should
be successful. And that might be true, but you've got
to put in the work, uh to achieve that success.
Just being dope, just that, that ain't the equation to success.
Being dope equal success. Now it's dope plus the work
plus a whole lot of other stuff equal success. You
know what I'm saying, You can't have the equation without
(20:54):
the hard work, Okay, because I can't take my eyes
off these girls. Let's go back to this. So that
girl in the back, like, how much cost? This is
the grill in the background. This is a permanent grill. Uh,
looks like it's about eight teeth at the top, maybe
six at the bottom, with a solid on the size
something right there. This is about maybe and it's a
(21:15):
permanent one. So you get there. That one, that one
in the background is a permanent grill. Yep. The permanent
grills always cost a little bit more because you have
to have you have to do the complete full size
of every single tooth, uh, instead of just one bar
that goes across usually on the permanent grills to their
eighteen care goal, which is a higher carret, a little
bit more expensive. And of course you know them diamonds
(21:37):
and ain't nobody's skimp on them diamonds. That's the top nots,
that's the flawlers right there. So that's definitely a high
dollar grill right there. Okay, how do I brush my
teeth with that? You brush them the same way? Actually,
you know, I brush my teeth every day with a
tooth brush toothpaste with the same way you gargle. That
is another issue. There's a misconception, and people with grills
have bad breath. Now, people that have bad hygiene have
(21:59):
bad breath. So whether you've got grills or not, if
you got bad hygiene, you can have bad breath. If
you got good hygiene and grills, your teeth gonna be great.
It's gonna be good experiment. How many girls do you have?
I got about maybe nine or ten sets. I've lost
quite a few sets of grills as well over the years.
I probably lost as many as I have. You know,
(22:20):
lose your diving team. It's not like in bigger line
just being careless or what it really be is I
get a new set and then I'll lose misplaced the
old one. So I don't know. Maybe in my driard
it's a few grills laying around. I know one time
in my old house, I got out of my car
and uh, you know, I didn't realize I had my
grills in my lap and they went into the yard somewhere,
(22:44):
and then I realized that later on I went back
looking for him and I could not find them. So
any treasure hunters out there, man, go look at my
old A dress in the yard is set of air
rings and set of grills waiting done. You tell me
the most expensive grill that you guys have made. Well,
you know there is a level like a cap. How
much you know a grill will cost us to make?
(23:05):
Now from that, it's how much we sell it for
is endless, you know, because you know the value is
not necessarily what is worth or cost to make. It's
what someone will pay for it. Now. Me and my
partner Johnny Dane, we try to always walk the line
of not taking advantage of somebody just because they got
a lot of money, just because they want to spend it.
(23:27):
But we do come across some customers who they just
out there. They made some money. They don't care how
much it costs. They want to spend more so they
can say, yeah, I spend fifty on my grill, even
though it might only cost thirty. But even then, we
don't like taking advantage of somebody because if you overcharge somebody,
they walk out your store and then they come back
(23:48):
and they're like, wait a minute, I went to this
jeweler and he said he could have made the same
thing for way. You know, that's not a that's an
unpleasant situation to be in. So we try to avoid
all of that. No matter what, we try to give
what is worth and we, like I said, those type
of tenants of just treating people how you want to
be treated as a business owner. As a businessman, a
salesperson goes a long way. And if you want to
(24:09):
repeat customers. If somebody come in there ready to spend
thirty for the for a grill, you know, I might
be looking at all man, I might make money right now,
but what you really got to look at is the
long term money. You know, not just this quick lick here.
But when they walk away and they're going around telling
everybody what they spotting, they going to other jewelers or whatever.
You want the jeweler to say, Oh yeah, yah, they
got you a good deal. They get yea how much
(24:29):
you show that's a good deal. Yeah, that's a good deal.
You ain't gonna lie that exactly that conversation, because then
it just drives. That's how you get organic, authentic customers,
people singing your praises and they drive more business. And
absolutely right right, and we get to repeat customers of
you know, now they're bringing their kids, and we've got
some people we've been business so long, we got kids,
we got people bringing their grandkids in. Now, you know
(24:50):
what I'm saying, where that's what we want. We want
We want this business to roll over and turn over
to our children, our kids, Johnny's kids, my kids. You
know what I'm saying. We don't just to be just
a one time thing. And oh you know, always the
business has gone. Now this is a family business. And
that's something I learned from Johnny. When Johnny came here,
when he immigrated from Vietnam. His whole family came over
(25:11):
here as a refugees from the war, and a lot
of his family is in the jury business. He has
a few brothers who are in it, as well as
his parents who are in it. Uh. And you know
he's got a lot of you know, cousins and or whatever. Man,
shout out to my boy Johnny. He's the only person
I know, only jeweler who regularly hires ex cons and felons.
You know, he hires people of all races, you know.
(25:33):
And you wrote a lot of these jewelry stores you
don't see that. You you know, you only see a
certain type of employee at that store, and that's it.
But shout out to my boy Johnny for giving people
a second chance like that, because I've seen people come
out of jail to you know, coming there and they
asked for a second chance, and Johnny will give it
to him and they'll completely turn their life around. It's
been such a pleasure having you join us today. Paul.
(25:54):
Please please please tell people how they can reach you
on social media, where to find your album, where to
get a grill, all of the above, all of the above.
Hit up at Paul Wall Baby, Paul Baby. That's my
social media for basically all my handles other than tikdok.
That's Paul All Baby, sept One three. You know what
I'm saying. But and it's my new album right here
in the backgrounds called Hall of Fame Hustler. You can
(26:16):
get that. Anywhere you listen to any music is gonna
be right there waiting on you, sitting on nice waiting
on you. You know what I'm saying. That he killed
hey and uh shout out to my boy Johnny Dang.
Anybody want any drewelor any Drewy or grills at all,
they can, of course, you can hit me up, but
I suggest you hit up Johnny Dang, Johnny Dang and co.
That's the Instagram handle all that uh and you can
go to the website to Johnny Dang and Company dot
(26:36):
com and check us out already. Thank you for having me.
It's a true pleasure honor to be here with you.
Thank you, Oh my gosh, thank you so much for
joining us today. It has been such a pleasure. We
love hearing your stories and hearing your music, so we
hope that people get to streaming get too fine and
thank you so much. Yeah, thank you for having me.
(26:57):
Money Movers. Make sure you follow Paul and all many
businesses on their social media handles and listen to his
new album Hall of Fame Hustlers out now. Stream stream
stream Come on people, make sure you tune in Monday
through Friday and subscribe to the Money Moves podcast powered
by Greenwood, so that you can have the keys to
the financial freedom you so rightly deserve. See you next time,
(27:17):
Money Movers. Thank you so much for tuning in Money
Moves audience. If you want more or a recap of
this episode, please go to the bank Greenwood dot com
and check out the Money Moves podcast blog. Money Moves
is an I heart radio podcast powered by Greenwood Executive
produced by Sunwise Media Inc. For more podcast on I
(27:40):
heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts from.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.