November 6, 2025 • 46 mins
A good haircut can change your whole personality. Picture this: You walk out of the salon with a c*nty little wolf-bob-mullet and suddenly the skies are bluer than they've ever been, the birds are chirping AT you and you feel like you can take on the world. A bad haircut? Well, that can ruin your life in an instant. On today’s episode, Stephanie and Melissa discuss the science and poetry of getting a haircut. Do you bring reference photos? Or let the stylist take the reins? Are you a small talk in the chair person? And if you see disaster looming in the mirror, do you speak up? Or are you more of a people pleaser? Steph shares about the elusive Best Haircut Of Her Life and Mel tells tales of A Bad Bob. Plus, they dig into the spiritual and cultural significance of hair. Also — Should Melissa grow out her grey streak? Sound off in our inbox!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And wanted to cut my hair short. And I had
a picture of the infamous Meg Ryan Choppy Bob from
the Late Night you know what I'm talking about, early
two thousands, Meg Ryan, and this girl delivered and I
felt so fucking cool with that haircut.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just walking down the street in New York.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, certainly I see.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
More and more better, more better here, better more.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hi. Hello, welcome to More Better podcast, where we stop
pretending to have it all together.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And embrace the beauty of becoming a little more better
every day, or at least fucking trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's definite, Beatrice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's here we are again. We're doing it again. Here
we are. We're gonna keep making them. Okay, that's how
this works. That's right. How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm doing great? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know what happened between like half an hour
ago and now. I just feel like, oh my god, a.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Little crash, crash.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's okay, I had a little crash. I don't know
what's up.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Listen, you're a busy woman.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I don't know if it's like maybe I need some protein,
Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Maybe you're getting hungry?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey brag? Can you make me some eggs.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I had.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I had, you know what I had? I had oatmeal,
but it's very low in protein, oatmeal, like it's only
yeah brams, right, it's mostly carbohydrates. I feel like I
had the high and like on the low.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah. Probably. They say oatmeal is like one of those
good like higher density, lower caloric foods, like keep you
full longer. I don't think that, Shi, it is true.
I'm hungry, like an hour after I eat hungry. Right now,
I'm hungry. I get I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
My more better today was that I did a strength
workout and it was in German, so I was like, bitch,
what are you doing next? I was all over the place.
The only thing I understood was like einspeinees tights or
whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
This one trainer on Peloton, she's so jacked and so
like every time I do a strength work and I
like try to do hers because she's freaking jacked. But
like she's.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
German Man, Doe do one of Tune Day's strength ones.
She's jacked too.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Her.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I like the advanced ones. Guys, we really like here.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh oh, just a just a quiet quick brag. I
like to challenge one.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I don't get through them well, but I like to
try to do them. What's your What's what have you
done lately that's more better?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What is my more better?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean I think I think I'm in like in
a in a I think I had a rough couple
of weeks where I felt overwhelmed and stressed out. And
I feel like this week in general just like like
an overall more better of just like, let me be
conscious of when I'm stressed out, Let me be like
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conscious of what I'm putting in my body. Let me
make time for movement, Like let me put a little
extra energy effort into the things that I know make
me feel better so that I can like get through
this little hump I was in. And now it's the
end of the week, and I do feel so much
(03:54):
better than I try at the end of last week.
So yeah, so I'm proud of myself for like making
it a little more of a priority of this week
of just being like this is not sustainable, like I'm
too stressed and too anxious. I even had friend time
this week because they knew that was going to make
me feel better, because they needed to like vent about
(04:15):
the thing I was stressed out about and it helped
so much. And also just like being with a friend
that makes me laugh and like you know what I mean. Yeah,
it's like all the all the things that I know
put me in a better headspace. I did them this
week and it worked. I feel much better.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, more better.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Talking about haircuts? So guys, we have a lot to say.
It's all personal opinion. None of this is science. Women
just know by saying that we are not experts if
this is like in any way, shape or form, like
we're gonna be silly about this obviously, Like there are
people that are stres going with hair loss and yeah,
(05:02):
other more serious stuff like that, and this is not
geared toward that at all. Like we're going to talk
about self esteem stuff, but coming from a place of
like we both have hair you know, we deal with
image and stuff because of our jobs as actors. But
like we just want to start by saying like we're
coming from like a very silly place here with like
maybe some helpful info from friend to friend, but if
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it's a bigger deal for you or it's more serious,
we don't mean to make light of that. At all.
But we are going to tackle lot of shit right now.
So get ready. Best haircut of your life, worst haircut
of your life?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Go ooh, best haircut of my life may have been. Okay, So,
first time I ever went short short in college, I
feel like I got it was a It was a
free haircut, bumbull and bumble. Remember when they used to
like stop you on the street. I remember those, Yeah,
(06:06):
And I got lucky because sometimes you show up to
those and it's like they do whatever they need to
learn that day to your hair. But this one specifically
was like somebody practicing haircuts and I had wanted to
cut my hair short, and I had a picture of
the infamous Meg Ryan choppy Bob from the late nine
(06:29):
you know what I'm talking about, early two thousands me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
French kiss Meg Ryan choppy bomb.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, yes, kind of shaggy. I had that and this
girl delivered and I felt so fucking cool with that
haircut on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The street in New York suddenly. Yeah see.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But it was also a dramatic shift moment for me
because so my mom worked at a hair salon before
she had kids. My mom went to beauty school and
she worked in a hair salon, and even as a kid,
like she would because she remained best friends with the
owner of that salane still like lifelong friends. They're still friends,
(07:17):
Like you know, it's one of my mom's closest friends.
So sometimes she would call my mom to be like, oh,
we're you know, someone's out, Like my mom would go
and fill in sometimes. So she cut my hair growing
up all through high school, day half of college, and
(07:38):
she would cut my friend's hairs. She did everybody's hair
for prom recitals, cut my still cuts my dad's hair
to this day. But at a certain point I remember,
and I think it was like high school, I started
getting like judge about her haircuts. Maybe it was because
also like I never got the salon experience, and I
(08:00):
I just felt like I was but like I don't
know your mom, and it's also just because like it
was my mom. But I also and I was like
I remember thinking that her haircuts were like still very
like seventies, like two seventies. Like I was like, I
want a modern haircut. And so when I wanted to
cut my hair short, and I was telling my mom
(08:22):
like I think I'm going to go like to a place.
I think I'm gonna go to a slunt because it's
just like a really modern idea.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I just think, you know, like no offense. Right now,
I have a kid that says to me, no offense,
And I feel so bad that I ever said it
to my mom, because it's literally the worst thing a
child could say to their parent. No offense, Mom, that offense,
But you suck, like your training was. I think I
said something to her like so condescending, like your training
(08:52):
was a long time ago, and I just feel like
the style of your haircuts is like very dated and
what I want is something very like Mom.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
You might as well have been like you're old as fuck. Mom.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, she was actually cool about it, like I knew
that it bothered her. She made that clear like in
her like very like Latina mom, passive aggressive way. Every
Latina listening to this knows exactly what I mean. You know,
it's like that well, I mean, yeah, if you want
to go, you know, to a salon, if that's what
(09:27):
you want to do, you know, you're an adult. I
can't tell you what to do. But it was a
cute haircut. It was like I definitely felt validated that
it was like had it been a bad haircut. Oh
my god, the walk of shame I would have had
to do back to my parents' house, like Mommy, can
you fix this?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And then I probably would have had my mom cut
my hair for another decade.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But it was a great haircut. It was a great haircut.
Worst haircut worst haircut, I'm sorry to say, was so
when I got the soap Opera, I still had that
short hair and they were very controlling over my hair.
I had to get permission to like change my hair,
(10:09):
to grow it out. Blah blah blah. I think I
wanted to grow it out, and they like kept it
short longer than I wanted because they fucking cut it
into like a bob, like a boring straight even at
like not a great length.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Like, first of all, how dare you because that's exactly
my hair right now?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, No, yours is so cute and layered. No, no,
I'm talking about it was a bad bob.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They give you a.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like a like a long bowl cut almost like it
was just blunt, no shape, and then they would straight
iron it and it was just it made my face
and head look huge. It just it wasn't it did.
I look back at some of those pictures with that
(10:57):
short hair that Bob, and I'm just like, why did
anyone think that that looked good? Wow? And then it
got to the point where I just was like asking.
I had to become annoying all the time to be like,
I really want to grow my hair out. I really
want to gruw my hair out. And then finally they
said yes. But I did not like those haircuts that
they just they wouldn't They wouldn't give it any It
(11:17):
had no shape. It was just like, think blunts all risky,
it's risky.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Getting a haircut on set, because like, yeah, it's just
really risky.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
It's really risky. Yeah, what about you best, best and worst?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
My best and Worst wrote the exact same salon about
thirteen years apart. There was a salon that will remain nameless,
but sure it was in New York City and in
the beginning when the curly like revolution kind of happened
and it was like it's cool to have curly hair. Yeah,
(11:55):
women with hair that had curly texture, where it was
like people were in racing it. They weren't straightening it,
they weren't relaxing it necessarily, and I went to the
salon that's specified in curly hair, and I had been
growing my hair and I was like, I know it's
I know it's curly, I know it's wavy. I know
it is I've always had like poofy hair right or
(12:17):
like very very short hair. And there was this I'll
never forget her. She was Brazilian, gorgeous, gorgeous woman, and
she was like, oh, yes, you're you're curly, like you're
one of us, and like I left the salon that
day and I was like am I hot? Like am I?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Did I do it? Am I hot? And like, oh
I got my How.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Old were you? That must have been a crazy moment
to like yeah, when you're like you don't know that
you have like wavy or curly hair, yeah, and you're
always like blow and it's always frizzy and like looks weird,
like yeah. And then all of a sudden one day.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I had been like making it happen. I had
like I had read all the books and I was
doing the techniques and I was like everything, and I
finally had saved up enough money because it was an
expensive haircut, and I finally saved up enough money and
I was like putting like just like a little bit here,
a little bit there every week when I was living
in New York, and I finally had saved up enough
(13:20):
money to go to the salon and I got her
and it was like she was she was even in
one of the books that I had been reading photos
of her and her hair and like how to how
to wash in the shower, like the whole thing. And
I was like, I it changed the way that I
viewed myself, Like it made me feel like a bombshell
(13:42):
for really the first time ever, and it just gave
me like all this and subsequently, like I've been chasing
that haircut with long hair. I've been chasing that haircut
my entire life. And like she like went back to Brazil,
like I I like asked about her later and was
like where is she and they were like, oh, she's
back in Brazil, Like she moved back to you. So
(14:04):
I've never had a haircut, a long haircut like that ever. Again,
it was like rock and roll. It felt very like
I mean, I guess now it would be like maybe
like a mullet ish but like it or like a
wolf cut like Yeah, it was like short hind the
top and it was like so cruel. She just knew
where to find my curls. It was like even the
top layer. For me, the top of my hair gets
(14:27):
really straight and then it starts to wave really like
once it goes past my ears, it gets wavy and
then like you can bring the curl back up, but
usually the top is kind of flatter. And I don't
know what she did. She just like made it so
that it like had tons of volume and it was incredible.
About thirteen years later, I was in New York for
(14:48):
I was doing In the Heights and which is about
a part of it is about a salon, and I
was playing one of the salon ladies.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's right, one of the best ens in the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thanks, And I was like, I'm going to get a
haircut and I'm going to go to the salon because
it's like they're the ones. And a lot could change
in thirteen years. Ownership had changed, like the company had
actually been sold, and like the product formulation had changed,
which I didn't know about until after I read all
this stuff. It was damn the worst haircut I ever
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had in my life. Oh and I knew it when
they were cutting it. I was like, this looks wrong,
and like I later straightened it, like just to see,
like what the it was all over the place, all.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Over the place.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean I think I might have pictures of it.
Let me look and see, like oh, but like, oh, Melissa,
I cried. I went back to my hotel room. I cried.
I was like, what am I going to do? Like
I'm about to do like my first rehearsal with Daphne
ruben Vegas tomorrow, like what it was. And then you know,
(16:08):
eventually like it got fixed and I but that's remember
when I dyed my hair like that bunky blue and
like I cut it really short. It was like up
to here. Yeah that's because of that haircut. I had
to cut almost all of it off and like start over,
like oh, because it was so bad and I paid
so much money. No anyway, yeah, I mean, like I
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and here's the crazy thing, Like I now I would
I don't know what I would do because like when
you're having here's why we're talking about this, because when
you're it's so vulnerable to have anybody touch your head
and like be cutting your hair, and when a lot
of your identity as a woman is like unfortunately or fortunately,
(16:58):
it's connected to how you look. And you know, hair
for a very long time was politicized still is, like
you know, you can point to like Zendea on the
Red Carpet a few years ago, in those gorgeous locks
and someone saying, oh that she's smells like Patul. She
(17:18):
looked like she smell like Patuli. Was like us, unacceptable
disgusting things to say about someone. Why because she's black
and her hairs and locks, Like, get the fuck out
of hair, Like, don't be what are you talking about.
She's one of the most beautiful women in the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
World, but like so and it was so gorgeous like that, Yeah,
but there.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
You go, like there's one of the most beautiful women
in the world getting criticized about her hair, right, so,
like hair's a big deal. It's really hard when you're
in the middle of a bad haircut to stop and
be like, wait, I don't like this. Have you ever
done that?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I agree, it's really no because I think I
have had some not great haircuts and you're yeah, you're
looking in the mirror and you're like, oh no, and
they say like they say that hairstyles want to know.
They don't want to leave unless you're super happy with
your haircut. They want you to say something if but
there is something about it that is so you do
(18:21):
you feel so vulnerable? I think I also am always
afraid that the reaction is going to be really negative
or defensive on their side, and then I'm going to
be in a conflict and then I'm like, what's my
move then? And they have scissors in their hair, like
in their hand, like so I think that's what it
(18:42):
is too, is like you don't I don't know. I
think it's like feelings of I don't. I don't know
if I feel safe unless I've maybe seen this person
for a long long time. But yeah, I think I'm
always worried that they're going to be like mad and
I don't know, cut off like a whole chunk of
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the back of my head and be like get the
fuck out of here, like my god, I don't know,
Like my brain goes to like the worst and like
I'm sure that wouldn't happen, but it is really hard
to speak up. It's scary and I don't think I've
I know, I'm trying to think I do think there
have been times when I'm getting because I also have
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like wavy hair that normally is just like yours, where
it's like a little bit straighter on top and all
the waven curls at the bottom. Right now, I'm having
the opposite because my hair got so damaged during the
last show I did, so it's growing out, so all
of the curl and wave is at the top and
the bottom is not, which looks fucking crazy. But it
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also I'm happy because my hair wants to be curly
again and like wavy again, because whenever now I it
out or try to straighten it, it is resisting so hard.
So I'm trying to just be like let it air
dry more and like do its thing, and like you know,
still trying to like baby it. But now i have to,
(20:11):
like if I'm going somewhere, I like curl the bottoms
because it looks fucking nuts. I've got like curls at
the top and then the bottom. It's like, like what
are you doing because it's like this is still the
damaged part. So I think there have been times where
I'm getting a haircut and I'm like asking about layers. Yeah,
I'm like oh, I don't can we this looks can
(20:32):
we maybe make this look a little fuller? Or can
we make this like a little shorter? I think when
it's like more collaborative, like back and forth, I also
do this thing sometimes. I feel like I do this
when I'm directing too, where I'm like, I don't know,
what do you think about, like if it was, you know,
like a little bit shorter here, like, uh, maybe like
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this could be a little fuller, would that be more layers?
Like I don't, you know, like you're putting it back
on the expert to like give their expert opinion and
be like, oh that makes sense. That sounds great, and
it feels collaborative, and it doesn't feel like I guess
I'm saying like this looks like shit, here, could you
fix this? You know, like I'm trying to like politely
(21:14):
collaborate and like assume that they also like they do
know more than I do about how to like cut
my hair. But it's a delicate balance. But it's definitely
like if you don't like something, or the worst is
when you're getting layers or you're getting like long bangs
or something. This happened to me kind of recently and
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there was like the shortest piece of it was a
little too short, and I was like, fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
God.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But then there's like the choice. I'm like, I could
say something, but it's done. There's no way to fix it.
It's already done. It's already done. Like if it's too short,
it's already done. What am I going to do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You know, that's how a lot of people feel in
the chair. I think it's like it's already happening. I
have no I have no power over this, you know.
And I think as as women, I mean, I think
we feel powerless a lot of the time, not all
the time, when we feel very powerful sometimes, but there's
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lots of things in the world that are trying to
grind us down. And it just sucks to be sitting
in that chair and know that it's kind of going
awry and be like fuck, like I thought this is
going to make me feel beautiful, and like it is not.
I would say the best offense is a good defense, right, So,
(22:44):
like I always start with first of all, I don't
go to anybody unless I've got a recommendation. Like I
don't go to people. And I've learned the hard way
I've learned, like, just because somebody is a master stylist,
I disagree with, like just because they can cut hair,
(23:04):
they know more than me. I don't. I think they
probably no technique usually yeah yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They don't know your hair better than you.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah that part.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
More better better.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Something I've started doing is like, if I see somebody's
hair that I like, I asked them where they got
their hair cut?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, Yes, That's how I found my current girl is
my friend was always getting even though her hair is
very different than mine, and part of me is like
maybe I think I think also the move is like
someone that has really similar hair to you, But I
don't know that many people with anyway, But my friend
was always like her hair always looked great, like layers,
(23:50):
bangs like yeah, And so I started seeing her girl,
and I really like her actually yeah, and her hair
is kind of I got lucky that her hair is
cut wavy the hairstylist. So I was like, okay, cool,
Like if she has wavy hair, then you know she
knows a little bit about it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah,
a recommendation is key.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I also think, you know, most of the time hair
grows back, so like yeah, I think the disaster feeling
is sometimes it truly is a disaster. I mean, I've
seen some tiki talkies that are I'm like, oh girl,
but you know a lot of times that's because they've
done it to themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah. Have you ever cut your own hair?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Never, never, No, I would never. I've like trimmed the ends,
like if I have really long curls, Like there's a
certain way to like trim your curls so that they
end in the s as opposed to the sea. Oh
that makes sense, you know, like the curls like that.
So yeah, you don't want to end the cut in
a sea. You always want to end at the end
of the s.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I read that in a book.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I didn't make it up.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But like, so this last haircut, I got this like
little blunt bob I really loved.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Just so good. I love it on you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Think guilt. But the guy that does my hair, it
was this was maybe like a couple months ago. It
was the bob was starting to grow out, and it
was like, Okay, it's time for a trim. And I
had shown him a bunch of pictures of like bobs
that I liked and some of them were very nineties
and like a little more like slopeyka shorter in the
(25:27):
back and like longer the front kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And so that time when he trimmed my hair, he
like shaped it in that way because he from what
he understood, we were going shorter, and so we were
going to try that shape. And I didn't like it.
I didn't like it as much as I liked the
blunt bob. I was like, oh, I missed the blond bob. Yeah,
And so it was fine, my hair grows really fast.
(25:53):
I'm glad that I tried it. It just wasn't for me.
And so this last time he trimmed my hair again,
he was like, so he's really gentle. He's like, so,
I'm glad we tried that. And I was like, let's
just see the blunt bob again, my hand and the
blum bob. And he was like, okay, great, I love
the blunt bob too.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But I think so much of you know, that's why
people stick with their hairdressers for good or bad, sometimes
beyond when they should, because you build this like trust
with people. Yeah, sometimes it's great, Like with Castillo, it's
really really great and I trust him implicitly, and you
know that doesn't mean it's going to be perfect every
(26:33):
single time. It still was a great haircut. I'm glad
we tried it, but I prefer this other look. I
think what's hard is like when you're looking for a
new person, when you're sitting in a seat that you
haven't yeah, been there, you know, very many times before.
It's still a new relationship. It's like dating you have
(26:54):
like I would see on a blind date, I just wouldn't, Like,
I need to know some things about you first. I
need to see your work. Like that's what the internet's
so great about. It's like, I see what else have
you done? Like do you put people's hair that's like mine?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Like yep?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Do you have any other people who look like me
that you're working on their hair? Like? Or is it
like are you giving everybody the same kind of like
curl at the end of That's always a red flag
to me, is like if the haircut looks beautiful, but
every single person on like say their Instagram has like
the same shape of curl. Oh, it's like they've done
(27:30):
the hair. They've like quote unquote done the hair, and yeah,
because then it's like, well, what does my hair look
like if I don't do it like that? Like, what
is my hair like? You just shower and blow it dry.
What happens? Yeah, you know, I think that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I also appreciate like honesty for my hairstylist. Like I've
been seeing my current one for probably like a year,
and I wanted to do well. First, I wanted to
do a bang and she was like, but I appreciated that.
(28:07):
I mean, I've done bangs before, but she sort of
we ended up doing like a longer sort of more
like a curtain bang. I also went in hard and
like maybe wanted to do like a wolf cut, like
the like shorter kind of big layers and like the
whole thing. And she was like, here's the thing. This
is gonna look great on you. She was like, but
(28:27):
what I have also learned about you is that you
don't really like to do your hair. And I was like,
uh huh. She was like, you have to do your
hair for that cut to look good. You have to
be a person that is going to do your hair
every day or every other day, because that's what that
cut needs. And I was like, oh, and I really
(28:48):
appreciated that. Like I was bummed, but I was like, no,
but she's right, Like I'm not gonna do I don't
do my hair like I don't do it. I scrunch it,
I air dry it, and I get on my fucking way.
Sometimes now I curl the bottoms because I don't want
to look like ratty mcratty over here while I wait
for this damaged hair to grow out. But but like, yeah,
(29:17):
so I do need haircuts that like fit with what
I do with my hairstyle. Yeah, my lifestyle. I'm not
gonna blow dry my hair. I'm not gonna like, you know,
I show up with stopping wet hair all the time
to places like I just you know, I'm putting product
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in and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Same.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So I really appreciated that advice. And so I do
like a fair styuse that isn't afraid to like speak up.
But it is like dating, and it's like the first
couple of times you go, you have to bring like
so many pictures of what you want, and you have
to be really specific about what it is in the
picture that you like or that you would like to try.
(30:00):
And sometimes it takes like a few times, so going
to a person to really decide, Yeah, if that's like
your go to person, you know, yeah, yeah, because I've
I've definitely had that happen before, where Like.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
There have been hair dreshers that I've worked with where
are like sometimes it's great and it worked really well,
and then I'll get a haircut in there like one
out of every six and I'm like, oh no, and
that sixth one is the one. You know, it's like
that I can't. I don't. I can't go back, you know, yeah,
(30:36):
because it's just too much of a gamble and it's
so expensive. It's like that's the other thing that's like
a lot of it's high pressure because it is expensive,
and m because it's expensive. I feel like doing your
research is important, bringing ammunition, like bringing all of your stuff,
getting there a little early, like don't ever make them
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wait on you, and then saying things like in your
consultation like I don't. I'm not the kind of person
who does my hair and you know or yeah you
are like I or maybe you are.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I have friends that like will blow dry their hair
every time they wash it, or like will blow dry
and curl their hair every time they wash it and like,
you know, I'm just not that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I'm not either. I mean, i'd much rather That's
why I did. I like did a process to my
hair recently. I don't know what it's called Castillo could
tell you, but it's not a Brazilian blowout, but like
essentially it smooths the cuticle of the hair like really
pretty straight, so that I don't have to think about
it because right now that's.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Smart because your hair is so short and it can
sure dry crazy like if I go Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So now I just like a couple pumps of like
cream this like cream stuff that I've been using, and
like it's fine, Like obviously I'm not gonna you know,
if I'm I'm going on a date or something like that,
I want to like make it look nice.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But oh yeah, same, Yeah, I'm only doing my hair
when I go out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean I could have maybe done my hair for
the lunch that I went to yesterday, did I know?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But you know, well yeah, no, I mean out at night. Sorry,
let me be more specific. I'm only doing my hair
when I go out at night. Got it. I'm doing
my hair like I have a meeting or like it
depends on the meeting, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean the other day when I was late
for that audition girl, I was like, ugh, a ton
to dye my ears? That was it ridiculous. Still, I'm
not over it. Better better, I want to hear what
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you think about this or I guess what you do.
I have a really hard time with a lot of
small talk in the chair. What do you do there? Like,
how do you handle that?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You do it? Yeah, well it's your deal.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah. It really depends on my mood. I feel this
way when I well, when I see my colorists, it's
a little different because she's with me in the beginning
looking at the color and like applying it, and then
I like don't see her really for the rest of
the appointment, right, So we do like catch up while
she's coloring my hair, and I enjoy that and because
(33:26):
I've seen her now for a few years and she's
amazing and I'll never leave her because she's brilliant. But
the haircut is different because they're with you the entire time,
and that can sometimes be like forty five minutes. So
if I'm not in a chatty mood, I will Yeah,
small talk in the beginning, you know how you been right,
Like if I was going now, I'd be like, well, no,
(33:48):
my my haircut my. It's always easier if they have kids,
because you can always refer to like kid talk, but
if they don't have kids, mine doesn't have a kid,
Like I just like come. I mean, I also hate
small talk, but I will do it in the beginning
a little bit, and then I try to like tape
her off, like you know, if they're in maybe a
(34:09):
more chatty mood than you, you start making your answers
like a little shorter oh okay, you know, and then
kind of try to like let it naturally so you're
roote tape her off and then hopefully it just gets quiet. Fine,
but I don't care. Here's the other thing, too, is
(34:31):
like you have to like not care. But I also
understand how like the silence can be uncomfortable too. Yeah,
I mean it can be an uncomfortable silence. It is
like a tricky thing to navigate. Movies and shows is
always a safe go to. I just hate I personally
(34:52):
hate talking about boring shit like I but I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Of two minds because like boring shit, Yeah, what do
you do? I think boring shit can get to the good.
I think, you know pretty quickly if somebody's like your
kind of people, you know, yeah, like you start chatting
and like you make a couple of jokes.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And small talk can be the gateway to like more interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Is the gateway. It is the gateway. Ultimately, it is
the gateway. I never would have For example, I never
would have heard about a katar, which is those like
smutty fairy books, if it hadn't been for this one
hairstylist and I talking about our love of reading and
the library and stuff, and that was really cool. On
the other hand, sometimes I'm just I know myself and
(35:33):
I don't have the wherewithal to do it, And so
I'll start by being polite and we'll talk about the haircut. Obviously,
I give them a lot of like respect and direction
and politeness. And then I'll say, I have to work
on this thing, and I've I'm on a little bit
of a deadline and I'm working on something. I hope
(35:55):
you don't mind that. I am gonna be looking at
my laptop or my eye iPad or whatever. Like it's
usually the iPad. I bring the iPad with me. But
then that means I do have to do work, like
I have to read a script or I have to
like take care.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah I've done that too, but yeah you do have
to because like they can see your screen, so yeah
you can't. You can't be scroll on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I've also done, like I have to shop for
Christmas presents right now because this is my time that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I can get that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh that's so like that's been really helpful. And I've
gotten people checked off the lists that way, so mm hmmm.
Oh yeah, I wanted to talk about this the ethics
of hair. This is like form our nerd Time stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Oh yeah, nerd Time.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The ethics of hair, navigating cultural sensitivities and cutting and styling.
And this is a resource website used by stylists, which
I think is very cool because from this website, hair
carries meaning beyond style. For some it's a statement of
self expression. For others, it's a reflection of cultural heritage
or religious beliefs. And then they list a few key
(36:56):
areas where cultural awareness for different kinds of groups is
really really critical. Protective styles in the Black community, braids, locks, twists,
and other protective styles have deep historical and cultural significance.
Dismissing them as trendy or treating them as just another
fashion statement disregards their meaning. Additionally, understanding the proper techniques
for working on textured hair is a must religious considerations.
(37:20):
Some religions have specific rules regarding hair. Asking permission before
touching or revealing hair that's typically covered is a sign
of respect indigenous traditions. For many indigenous cultures, hair represents strength, spirituality,
and connection to ancestry. Cutting hair might be a significant event,
and some may have specific rituals around it, and understanding
(37:40):
those traditions can prevent unintentional disrespect and then gender identity
and hair. For many LGBTQ people, hair can be an
essential part of life. Affirming their identity, using gender neutral
language and respecting pronouns in the salon can make a
significant difference in making all clients feel welcome. And I
think that this is like you could brush this off
(38:03):
and say like, oh, this is like quote unquote woke
behavior or something.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
But no, it's about being respectful.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah. I think it's about human It's just about being respectful, right.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's about Yeah, it's about ethics, it's about manners, it's
about politeness. It's about, yeah, just respecting a person and
respecting that. Like for me, I'm not I don't have
like a deep connection to my my hair doesn't feel
like tied to my identity like I've I've changed my
hair lots of times. I'll change my hair for work
(38:37):
on a whim. But I also can empathize and understand
that for someone it's a much deeper thing. It's it's
closer closely tied to their identity or their beliefs, or
their religion or their culture. And you know, it's like,
(38:59):
just don't be a fucking dick, like do you know
what I mean. It's like so many of these things
that are like like this whole like anti woke pushback,
Like so many times when people are like, oh, you're
just being so woke, it's like manners are fucking woke now,
Like when the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Like manners are hard, Like that's the thing you have
to put an effort to have manners. Yes, so is
learning about this because like that's where it gets like
to me, one of I've had so many jobs where
and this is on a job, so it's slightly different.
But there are hairstylists that work on set every day.
(39:37):
Anybody that you see on television has had probably one
or two people work on them, put on makeup for them,
and do their hair, and then they get touched up
periodically throughout the day. And there are lots of people
in those unions, and some of the people in those
unions don't care to learn more once they've got their
union card. They're sort of just like, yeah, I'm in
(40:00):
front a minute. I've had I've had people straighten my
hair and then go back and curl the entire head
of hair with a curling eye. I have had people
not listen to me about how to do my hair,
and then I look at episodes of television. I'm like,
my hair looks crazy and whack. I've had people cut
(40:24):
my hair and not understand it because they're like, well,
we just need to it needs to match the the
what we did like last month, so like it just
needs to match, and then they just chop like because
they think they can without asking me, right. And unfortunately
actors are at the whim sometimes of like we have
to look a certain way for this job, right. But
I think trying to have a voice in it is
(40:47):
really important, and standing up for yourself is really important.
And I've learned a lot being on sets in that,
Like I do have a voice about how I am
perceived in how I look, and I can carry that
voice into any space where someone is cutting my hair
coloring my hair, Like if something looks off or wrong,
(41:08):
now I'm much more likely to be like, actually, can
we stop for a second and just like I just
want to talk about this, and then then we open
it up to a discussion, like you said, like, what
do you think about this? Because to my eye it's
looking like this. Can you tell me more about why
you're doing it like this or that or the other. Right, Yeah,
(41:28):
I've certainly had experiences where my hair has been and
I'm not saying this is what happened to you on
your last show, but like my hair's been wrecked by
some some use of a tool or use of something.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And it's too hot. I think, yeah, I think it
was a little bit of that. And I think it
was just also like the nature of the role and
the fact that we couldn't the way we were doing it,
couldn't it had to be done for us every day.
It couldn't be like I didn't wash it, and like,
we just do it, you know what I mean, because
(42:05):
of like hair pieces and like different accessories and things.
So eventually we started using like like a halfwig and
that saved my hair. But they were like, but thank god.
The response was also like, oh my god, like I
see what's happening, Like your hair is falling out and
it's getting damaged, and so like we're going to correct this,
which thankfully was the right thing to do. But I
(42:27):
also just felt very seen and validated and like taken
care of. And they like we changed and course corrected
and did different things, which was really nice and also
not always the case, which is unfortunate. But yeah, it's like,
just you know, don't be a dick. Just be fucking
respectful of people. God, why is it so hard?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I think it's particular. I mean I don't know this
from my own experience, but I think it's particularly hard
for like some artists to learn about hair that's different
from their own, and like I don't yeah, it's like
a block. I don't know if they just haven't had
enough practice. I don't know, if they want to pretend
that all hair is the same, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It really is. It's a detriment. I think too. You know,
I understand, like if you're a certain kind of artist
and you just want to work on a certain kind
of hair, like I guess like more power too, Like
that's cool, Like, but know that that's your limitation and
know that's your that's the box that you work in,
and that's what you want to do, and that's how
you want to work and like and understand that, like
(43:29):
sometimes you might not get hired for a job because
you don't have the flexibility to be able to work
with all kinds of hair.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Again, just don't be a dick.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
It's hard for some people. Melissa's hard and hard for
some people. You've noticed I have, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
More better.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, what's your takeaway?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
What are my takeaways? I'm going to try to be
more better at like speaking up when I don't like
something during a haircut. This was like a fun one
to talk about. I Yeah, I'm trying to like keep
like grow my hair out and keep it the same.
I'm always fighting the urge to like chop chop, I'm
not gonna do it. I'm not gonna your takeaways. I
(44:18):
love hair. I love I love having long hair, I
love having extensions. I love having short hair. I love
having curling hair, having straight hair.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
And you know, someday I might all fall out of
my head and that's okay too. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
We'll look my bras. I don't think. So you got
a gray head of hair. I think you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I have a lot of it. I do need to
get my root, my roots done.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you feel more better about hair?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Take a look at those roots, honey, that's how fast.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I gotta get my roots done too. Look at that.
Look at that white spot. It's a whole white fucking.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I love it. I love it for them, Love it
for them, not for me. Love it for them.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Though I love it. I am looking forward to the
day where I finally do it. I'm hoping that these
big streaks that I have right now that I still
have in like you want.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like a row twenty years moment.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, that's what I have right now. That's why this
is so. This is a streak. This is a streak.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
If I would just let that grow out.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I mean, yeah, okay, anyway, guys, email us your ideas
for episodes, or you know, like maybe vote on whether
or not Melissa should go great. Okay, see you next week,
Bye bye, More Better. Do you have something you'd like
to be more better at that you want us to
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Speaker 1 (45:45):
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Speaker 1 (46:34):
You listen to your favorite shows.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
See you next week, suck us Bye,
And wanted to cut my hair short. And I had
a picture of the infamous Meg Ryan Choppy Bob from
the Late Night you know what I'm talking about, early
two thousands, Meg Ryan, and this girl delivered and I
felt so fucking cool with that haircut.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just walking down the street in New York.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, certainly I see.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
More and more better, more better here, better more.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hi. Hello, welcome to More Better podcast, where we stop
pretending to have it all together.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And embrace the beauty of becoming a little more better
every day, or at least fucking trying to.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That's definite, Beatrice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
That's here we are again. We're doing it again. Here
we are. We're gonna keep making them. Okay, that's how
this works. That's right. How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm doing great? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know what happened between like half an hour
ago and now. I just feel like, oh my god, a.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Little crash, crash.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's okay, I had a little crash. I don't know
what's up.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Listen, you're a busy woman.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I don't know if it's like maybe I need some protein,
Like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Maybe you're getting hungry?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey brag? Can you make me some eggs.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I had.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I had, you know what I had? I had oatmeal,
but it's very low in protein, oatmeal, like it's only
yeah brams, right, it's mostly carbohydrates. I feel like I
had the high and like on the low.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah. Probably. They say oatmeal is like one of those
good like higher density, lower caloric foods, like keep you
full longer. I don't think that, Shi, it is true.
I'm hungry, like an hour after I eat hungry. Right now,
I'm hungry. I get I agree.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
My more better today was that I did a strength
workout and it was in German, so I was like, bitch,
what are you doing next? I was all over the place.
The only thing I understood was like einspeinees tights or
whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I was like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
This one trainer on Peloton, she's so jacked and so
like every time I do a strength work and I
like try to do hers because she's freaking jacked. But
like she's.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
German Man, Doe do one of Tune Day's strength ones.
She's jacked too.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Her.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I like the advanced ones. Guys, we really like here.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh oh, just a just a quiet quick brag. I
like to challenge one.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I don't get through them well, but I like to
try to do them. What's your What's what have you
done lately that's more better?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
What is my more better?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean I think I think I'm in like in
a in a I think I had a rough couple
of weeks where I felt overwhelmed and stressed out. And
I feel like this week in general just like like
an overall more better of just like, let me be
conscious of when I'm stressed out, Let me be like
(03:33):
conscious of what I'm putting in my body. Let me
make time for movement, Like let me put a little
extra energy effort into the things that I know make
me feel better so that I can like get through
this little hump I was in. And now it's the
end of the week, and I do feel so much
(03:54):
better than I try at the end of last week.
So yeah, so I'm proud of myself for like making
it a little more of a priority of this week
of just being like this is not sustainable, like I'm
too stressed and too anxious. I even had friend time
this week because they knew that was going to make
me feel better, because they needed to like vent about
(04:15):
the thing I was stressed out about and it helped
so much. And also just like being with a friend
that makes me laugh and like you know what I mean. Yeah,
it's like all the all the things that I know
put me in a better headspace. I did them this
week and it worked. I feel much better.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, more better.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Talking about haircuts? So guys, we have a lot to say.
It's all personal opinion. None of this is science. Women
just know by saying that we are not experts if
this is like in any way, shape or form, like
we're gonna be silly about this obviously, Like there are
people that are stres going with hair loss and yeah,
(05:02):
other more serious stuff like that, and this is not
geared toward that at all. Like we're going to talk
about self esteem stuff, but coming from a place of
like we both have hair you know, we deal with
image and stuff because of our jobs as actors. But
like we just want to start by saying like we're
coming from like a very silly place here with like
maybe some helpful info from friend to friend, but if
(05:26):
it's a bigger deal for you or it's more serious,
we don't mean to make light of that. At all.
But we are going to tackle lot of shit right now.
So get ready. Best haircut of your life, worst haircut
of your life?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Go ooh, best haircut of my life may have been. Okay, So,
first time I ever went short short in college, I
feel like I got it was a It was a
free haircut, bumbull and bumble. Remember when they used to
like stop you on the street. I remember those, Yeah,
(06:06):
And I got lucky because sometimes you show up to
those and it's like they do whatever they need to
learn that day to your hair. But this one specifically
was like somebody practicing haircuts and I had wanted to
cut my hair short, and I had a picture of
the infamous Meg Ryan choppy Bob from the late nine
(06:29):
you know what I'm talking about, early two thousands me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
French kiss Meg Ryan choppy bomb.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, yes, kind of shaggy. I had that and this
girl delivered and I felt so fucking cool with that
haircut on.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The street in New York suddenly. Yeah see.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
But it was also a dramatic shift moment for me
because so my mom worked at a hair salon before
she had kids. My mom went to beauty school and
she worked in a hair salon, and even as a kid,
like she would because she remained best friends with the
owner of that salane still like lifelong friends. They're still friends,
(07:17):
Like you know, it's one of my mom's closest friends.
So sometimes she would call my mom to be like, oh,
we're you know, someone's out, Like my mom would go
and fill in sometimes. So she cut my hair growing
up all through high school, day half of college, and
(07:38):
she would cut my friend's hairs. She did everybody's hair
for prom recitals, cut my still cuts my dad's hair
to this day. But at a certain point I remember,
and I think it was like high school, I started
getting like judge about her haircuts. Maybe it was because
also like I never got the salon experience, and I
(08:00):
I just felt like I was but like I don't
know your mom, and it's also just because like it
was my mom. But I also and I was like
I remember thinking that her haircuts were like still very
like seventies, like two seventies. Like I was like, I
want a modern haircut. And so when I wanted to
cut my hair short, and I was telling my mom
(08:22):
like I think I'm going to go like to a place.
I think I'm gonna go to a slunt because it's
just like a really modern idea.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
And I just think, you know, like no offense. Right now,
I have a kid that says to me, no offense,
And I feel so bad that I ever said it
to my mom, because it's literally the worst thing a
child could say to their parent. No offense, Mom, that offense,
But you suck, like your training was. I think I
said something to her like so condescending, like your training
(08:52):
was a long time ago, and I just feel like
the style of your haircuts is like very dated and
what I want is something very like Mom.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
You might as well have been like you're old as fuck. Mom.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, she was actually cool about it, like I knew
that it bothered her. She made that clear like in
her like very like Latina mom, passive aggressive way. Every
Latina listening to this knows exactly what I mean. You know,
it's like that well, I mean, yeah, if you want
to go, you know, to a salon, if that's what
(09:27):
you want to do, you know, you're an adult. I
can't tell you what to do. But it was a
cute haircut. It was like I definitely felt validated that
it was like had it been a bad haircut. Oh
my god, the walk of shame I would have had
to do back to my parents' house, like Mommy, can
you fix this?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And then I probably would have had my mom cut
my hair for another decade.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But it was a great haircut. It was a great haircut.
Worst haircut worst haircut, I'm sorry to say, was so
when I got the soap Opera, I still had that
short hair and they were very controlling over my hair.
I had to get permission to like change my hair,
(10:09):
to grow it out. Blah blah blah. I think I
wanted to grow it out, and they like kept it
short longer than I wanted because they fucking cut it
into like a bob, like a boring straight even at
like not a great length.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Like, first of all, how dare you because that's exactly
my hair right now?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, No, yours is so cute and layered. No, no,
I'm talking about it was a bad bob.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They give you a.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like a like a long bowl cut almost like it
was just blunt, no shape, and then they would straight
iron it and it was just it made my face
and head look huge. It just it wasn't it did.
I look back at some of those pictures with that
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short hair that Bob, and I'm just like, why did
anyone think that that looked good? Wow? And then it
got to the point where I just was like asking.
I had to become annoying all the time to be like,
I really want to grow my hair out. I really
want to gruw my hair out. And then finally they
said yes. But I did not like those haircuts that
they just they wouldn't They wouldn't give it any It
(11:17):
had no shape. It was just like, think blunts all risky,
it's risky.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Getting a haircut on set, because like, yeah, it's just
really risky.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
It's really risky. Yeah, what about you best, best and worst?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
My best and Worst wrote the exact same salon about
thirteen years apart. There was a salon that will remain nameless,
but sure it was in New York City and in
the beginning when the curly like revolution kind of happened
and it was like it's cool to have curly hair. Yeah,
(11:55):
women with hair that had curly texture, where it was
like people were in racing it. They weren't straightening it,
they weren't relaxing it necessarily, and I went to the
salon that's specified in curly hair, and I had been
growing my hair and I was like, I know it's
I know it's curly, I know it's wavy. I know
it is I've always had like poofy hair right or
(12:17):
like very very short hair. And there was this I'll
never forget her. She was Brazilian, gorgeous, gorgeous woman, and
she was like, oh, yes, you're you're curly, like you're
one of us, and like I left the salon that
day and I was like am I hot? Like am I?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Did I do it? Am I hot? And like, oh
I got my How.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Old were you? That must have been a crazy moment
to like yeah, when you're like you don't know that
you have like wavy or curly hair, yeah, and you're
always like blow and it's always frizzy and like looks weird,
like yeah. And then all of a sudden one day.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I had been like making it happen. I had
like I had read all the books and I was
doing the techniques and I was like everything, and I
finally had saved up enough money because it was an
expensive haircut, and I finally saved up enough money and
I was like putting like just like a little bit here,
a little bit there every week when I was living
in New York, and I finally had saved up enough
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money to go to the salon and I got her
and it was like she was she was even in
one of the books that I had been reading photos
of her and her hair and like how to how
to wash in the shower, like the whole thing. And
I was like, I it changed the way that I
viewed myself, Like it made me feel like a bombshell
(13:42):
for really the first time ever, and it just gave
me like all this and subsequently, like I've been chasing
that haircut with long hair. I've been chasing that haircut
my entire life. And like she like went back to Brazil,
like I I like asked about her later and was
like where is she and they were like, oh, she's
back in Brazil, Like she moved back to you. So
(14:04):
I've never had a haircut, a long haircut like that ever. Again,
it was like rock and roll. It felt very like
I mean, I guess now it would be like maybe
like a mullet ish but like it or like a
wolf cut like Yeah, it was like short hind the
top and it was like so cruel. She just knew
where to find my curls. It was like even the
top layer. For me, the top of my hair gets
(14:27):
really straight and then it starts to wave really like
once it goes past my ears, it gets wavy and
then like you can bring the curl back up, but
usually the top is kind of flatter. And I don't
know what she did. She just like made it so
that it like had tons of volume and it was incredible.
About thirteen years later, I was in New York for
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I was doing In the Heights and which is about
a part of it is about a salon, and I
was playing one of the salon ladies.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's right, one of the best ens in the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Thanks, And I was like, I'm going to get a
haircut and I'm going to go to the salon because
it's like they're the ones. And a lot could change
in thirteen years. Ownership had changed, like the company had
actually been sold, and like the product formulation had changed,
which I didn't know about until after I read all
this stuff. It was damn the worst haircut I ever
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had in my life. Oh and I knew it when
they were cutting it. I was like, this looks wrong,
and like I later straightened it, like just to see,
like what the it was all over the place, all.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Over the place.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean I think I might have pictures of it.
Let me look and see, like oh, but like, oh, Melissa,
I cried. I went back to my hotel room. I cried.
I was like, what am I going to do? Like
I'm about to do like my first rehearsal with Daphne
ruben Vegas tomorrow, like what it was. And then you know,
(16:08):
eventually like it got fixed and I but that's remember
when I dyed my hair like that bunky blue and
like I cut it really short. It was like up
to here. Yeah that's because of that haircut. I had
to cut almost all of it off and like start over,
like oh, because it was so bad and I paid
so much money. No anyway, yeah, I mean, like I
(16:34):
and here's the crazy thing, Like I now I would
I don't know what I would do because like when
you're having here's why we're talking about this, because when
you're it's so vulnerable to have anybody touch your head
and like be cutting your hair, and when a lot
of your identity as a woman is like unfortunately or fortunately,
(16:58):
it's connected to how you look. And you know, hair
for a very long time was politicized still is, like
you know, you can point to like Zendea on the
Red Carpet a few years ago, in those gorgeous locks
and someone saying, oh that she's smells like Patul. She
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looked like she smell like Patuli. Was like us, unacceptable
disgusting things to say about someone. Why because she's black
and her hairs and locks, Like, get the fuck out
of hair, Like, don't be what are you talking about.
She's one of the most beautiful women in the.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
World, but like so and it was so gorgeous like that, Yeah,
but there.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
You go, like there's one of the most beautiful women
in the world getting criticized about her hair, right, so,
like hair's a big deal. It's really hard when you're
in the middle of a bad haircut to stop and
be like, wait, I don't like this. Have you ever
done that?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I agree, it's really no because I think I
have had some not great haircuts and you're yeah, you're
looking in the mirror and you're like, oh no, and
they say like they say that hairstyles want to know.
They don't want to leave unless you're super happy with
your haircut. They want you to say something if but
there is something about it that is so you do
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you feel so vulnerable? I think I also am always
afraid that the reaction is going to be really negative
or defensive on their side, and then I'm going to
be in a conflict and then I'm like, what's my
move then? And they have scissors in their hair, like
in their hand, like so I think that's what it
(18:42):
is too, is like you don't I don't know. I
think it's like feelings of I don't. I don't know
if I feel safe unless I've maybe seen this person
for a long long time. But yeah, I think I'm
always worried that they're going to be like mad and
I don't know, cut off like a whole chunk of
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the back of my head and be like get the
fuck out of here, like my god, I don't know,
Like my brain goes to like the worst and like
I'm sure that wouldn't happen, but it is really hard
to speak up. It's scary and I don't think I've
I know, I'm trying to think I do think there
have been times when I'm getting because I also have
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like wavy hair that normally is just like yours, where
it's like a little bit straighter on top and all
the waven curls at the bottom. Right now, I'm having
the opposite because my hair got so damaged during the
last show I did, so it's growing out, so all
of the curl and wave is at the top and
the bottom is not, which looks fucking crazy. But it
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also I'm happy because my hair wants to be curly
again and like wavy again, because whenever now I it
out or try to straighten it, it is resisting so hard.
So I'm trying to just be like let it air
dry more and like do its thing, and like you know,
still trying to like baby it. But now i have to,
(20:11):
like if I'm going somewhere, I like curl the bottoms
because it looks fucking nuts. I've got like curls at
the top and then the bottom. It's like, like what
are you doing because it's like this is still the
damaged part. So I think there have been times where
I'm getting a haircut and I'm like asking about layers. Yeah,
I'm like oh, I don't can we this looks can
(20:32):
we maybe make this look a little fuller? Or can
we make this like a little shorter? I think when
it's like more collaborative, like back and forth, I also
do this thing sometimes. I feel like I do this
when I'm directing too, where I'm like, I don't know,
what do you think about, like if it was, you know,
like a little bit shorter here, like, uh, maybe like
(20:52):
this could be a little fuller, would that be more layers?
Like I don't, you know, like you're putting it back
on the expert to like give their expert opinion and
be like, oh that makes sense. That sounds great, and
it feels collaborative, and it doesn't feel like I guess
I'm saying like this looks like shit, here, could you
fix this? You know, like I'm trying to like politely
(21:14):
collaborate and like assume that they also like they do
know more than I do about how to like cut
my hair. But it's a delicate balance. But it's definitely
like if you don't like something, or the worst is
when you're getting layers or you're getting like long bangs
or something. This happened to me kind of recently and
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there was like the shortest piece of it was a
little too short, and I was like, fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
God.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
But then there's like the choice. I'm like, I could
say something, but it's done. There's no way to fix it.
It's already done. It's already done. Like if it's too short,
it's already done. What am I going to do that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You know, that's how a lot of people feel in
the chair. I think it's like it's already happening. I
have no I have no power over this, you know.
And I think as as women, I mean, I think
we feel powerless a lot of the time, not all
the time, when we feel very powerful sometimes, but there's
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lots of things in the world that are trying to
grind us down. And it just sucks to be sitting
in that chair and know that it's kind of going
awry and be like fuck, like I thought this is
going to make me feel beautiful, and like it is not.
I would say the best offense is a good defense, right, So,
(22:44):
like I always start with first of all, I don't
go to anybody unless I've got a recommendation. Like I
don't go to people. And I've learned the hard way
I've learned, like, just because somebody is a master stylist,
I disagree with, like just because they can cut hair,
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they know more than me. I don't. I think they
probably no technique usually yeah yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They don't know your hair better than you.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah that part.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
More better better.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Something I've started doing is like, if I see somebody's
hair that I like, I asked them where they got
their hair cut?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, Yes, That's how I found my current girl is
my friend was always getting even though her hair is
very different than mine, and part of me is like
maybe I think I think also the move is like
someone that has really similar hair to you, But I
don't know that many people with anyway, But my friend
was always like her hair always looked great, like layers,
(23:50):
bangs like yeah, And so I started seeing her girl,
and I really like her actually yeah, and her hair
is kind of I got lucky that her hair is
cut wavy the hairstylist. So I was like, okay, cool,
Like if she has wavy hair, then you know she
knows a little bit about it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah,
a recommendation is key.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I also think, you know, most of the time hair
grows back, so like yeah, I think the disaster feeling
is sometimes it truly is a disaster. I mean, I've
seen some tiki talkies that are I'm like, oh girl,
but you know a lot of times that's because they've
done it to themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah. Have you ever cut your own hair?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Never, never, No, I would never. I've like trimmed the ends,
like if I have really long curls, Like there's a
certain way to like trim your curls so that they
end in the s as opposed to the sea. Oh
that makes sense, you know, like the curls like that.
So yeah, you don't want to end the cut in
a sea. You always want to end at the end
of the s.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I read that in a book.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I didn't make it up.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
But like, so this last haircut, I got this like
little blunt bob I really loved.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Just so good. I love it on you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Think guilt. But the guy that does my hair, it
was this was maybe like a couple months ago. It
was the bob was starting to grow out, and it
was like, Okay, it's time for a trim. And I
had shown him a bunch of pictures of like bobs
that I liked and some of them were very nineties
and like a little more like slopeyka shorter in the
(25:27):
back and like longer the front kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And so that time when he trimmed my hair, he
like shaped it in that way because he from what
he understood, we were going shorter, and so we were
going to try that shape. And I didn't like it.
I didn't like it as much as I liked the
blunt bob. I was like, oh, I missed the blond bob. Yeah,
And so it was fine, my hair grows really fast.
(25:53):
I'm glad that I tried it. It just wasn't for me.
And so this last time he trimmed my hair again,
he was like, so he's really gentle. He's like, so,
I'm glad we tried that. And I was like, let's
just see the blunt bob again, my hand and the
blum bob. And he was like, okay, great, I love
the blunt bob too.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But I think so much of you know, that's why
people stick with their hairdressers for good or bad, sometimes
beyond when they should, because you build this like trust
with people. Yeah, sometimes it's great, Like with Castillo, it's
really really great and I trust him implicitly, and you
know that doesn't mean it's going to be perfect every
(26:33):
single time. It still was a great haircut. I'm glad
we tried it, but I prefer this other look. I
think what's hard is like when you're looking for a
new person, when you're sitting in a seat that you
haven't yeah, been there, you know, very many times before.
It's still a new relationship. It's like dating you have
(26:54):
like I would see on a blind date, I just wouldn't, Like,
I need to know some things about you first. I
need to see your work. Like that's what the internet's
so great about. It's like, I see what else have
you done? Like do you put people's hair that's like mine?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Like yep?
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Do you have any other people who look like me
that you're working on their hair? Like? Or is it
like are you giving everybody the same kind of like
curl at the end of That's always a red flag
to me, is like if the haircut looks beautiful, but
every single person on like say their Instagram has like
the same shape of curl. Oh, it's like they've done
(27:30):
the hair. They've like quote unquote done the hair, and yeah,
because then it's like, well, what does my hair look
like if I don't do it like that? Like, what
is my hair like? You just shower and blow it dry.
What happens? Yeah, you know, I think that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I also appreciate like honesty for my hairstylist. Like I've
been seeing my current one for probably like a year,
and I wanted to do well. First, I wanted to
do a bang and she was like, but I appreciated that.
(28:07):
I mean, I've done bangs before, but she sort of
we ended up doing like a longer sort of more
like a curtain bang. I also went in hard and
like maybe wanted to do like a wolf cut, like
the like shorter kind of big layers and like the
whole thing. And she was like, here's the thing. This
is gonna look great on you. She was like, but
(28:27):
what I have also learned about you is that you
don't really like to do your hair. And I was like,
uh huh. She was like, you have to do your
hair for that cut to look good. You have to
be a person that is going to do your hair
every day or every other day, because that's what that
cut needs. And I was like, oh, and I really
(28:48):
appreciated that. Like I was bummed, but I was like, no,
but she's right, Like I'm not gonna do I don't
do my hair like I don't do it. I scrunch it,
I air dry it, and I get on my fucking way.
Sometimes now I curl the bottoms because I don't want
to look like ratty mcratty over here while I wait
for this damaged hair to grow out. But but like, yeah,
(29:17):
so I do need haircuts that like fit with what
I do with my hairstyle. Yeah, my lifestyle. I'm not
gonna blow dry my hair. I'm not gonna like, you know,
I show up with stopping wet hair all the time
to places like I just you know, I'm putting product
(29:37):
in and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Same.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So I really appreciated that advice. And so I do
like a fair styuse that isn't afraid to like speak up.
But it is like dating, and it's like the first
couple of times you go, you have to bring like
so many pictures of what you want, and you have
to be really specific about what it is in the
picture that you like or that you would like to try.
(30:00):
And sometimes it takes like a few times, so going
to a person to really decide, Yeah, if that's like
your go to person, you know, yeah, yeah, because I've
I've definitely had that happen before, where Like.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
There have been hair dreshers that I've worked with where
are like sometimes it's great and it worked really well,
and then I'll get a haircut in there like one
out of every six and I'm like, oh no, and
that sixth one is the one. You know, it's like
that I can't. I don't. I can't go back, you know, yeah,
(30:36):
because it's just too much of a gamble and it's
so expensive. It's like that's the other thing that's like
a lot of it's high pressure because it is expensive,
and m because it's expensive. I feel like doing your
research is important, bringing ammunition, like bringing all of your stuff,
getting there a little early, like don't ever make them
(30:56):
wait on you, and then saying things like in your
consultation like I don't. I'm not the kind of person
who does my hair and you know or yeah you
are like I or maybe you are.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I have friends that like will blow dry their hair
every time they wash it, or like will blow dry
and curl their hair every time they wash it and like,
you know, I'm just not that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I'm not either. I mean, i'd much rather That's
why I did. I like did a process to my
hair recently. I don't know what it's called Castillo could
tell you, but it's not a Brazilian blowout, but like
essentially it smooths the cuticle of the hair like really
pretty straight, so that I don't have to think about
it because right now that's.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Smart because your hair is so short and it can
sure dry crazy like if I go Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So now I just like a couple pumps of like
cream this like cream stuff that I've been using, and
like it's fine, Like obviously I'm not gonna you know,
if I'm I'm going on a date or something like that,
I want to like make it look nice.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
But oh yeah, same, Yeah, I'm only doing my hair
when I go out.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean I could have maybe done my hair for
the lunch that I went to yesterday, did I know?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But you know, well yeah, no, I mean out at night. Sorry,
let me be more specific. I'm only doing my hair
when I go out at night. Got it. I'm doing
my hair like I have a meeting or like it
depends on the meeting, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I mean the other day when I was late
for that audition girl, I was like, ugh, a ton
to dye my ears? That was it ridiculous. Still, I'm
not over it. Better better, I want to hear what
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you think about this or I guess what you do.
I have a really hard time with a lot of
small talk in the chair. What do you do there? Like,
how do you handle that?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You do it? Yeah, well it's your deal.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah. It really depends on my mood. I feel this
way when I well, when I see my colorists, it's
a little different because she's with me in the beginning
looking at the color and like applying it, and then
I like don't see her really for the rest of
the appointment, right, So we do like catch up while
she's coloring my hair, and I enjoy that and because
(33:26):
I've seen her now for a few years and she's
amazing and I'll never leave her because she's brilliant. But
the haircut is different because they're with you the entire time,
and that can sometimes be like forty five minutes. So
if I'm not in a chatty mood, I will Yeah,
small talk in the beginning, you know how you been right,
Like if I was going now, I'd be like, well, no,
(33:48):
my my haircut my. It's always easier if they have kids,
because you can always refer to like kid talk, but
if they don't have kids, mine doesn't have a kid,
Like I just like come. I mean, I also hate
small talk, but I will do it in the beginning
a little bit, and then I try to like tape
her off, like you know, if they're in maybe a
(34:09):
more chatty mood than you, you start making your answers
like a little shorter oh okay, you know, and then
kind of try to like let it naturally so you're
roote tape her off and then hopefully it just gets quiet. Fine,
but I don't care. Here's the other thing, too, is
(34:31):
like you have to like not care. But I also
understand how like the silence can be uncomfortable too. Yeah,
I mean it can be an uncomfortable silence. It is
like a tricky thing to navigate. Movies and shows is
always a safe go to. I just hate I personally
(34:52):
hate talking about boring shit like I but I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Of two minds because like boring shit, Yeah, what do
you do? I think boring shit can get to the good.
I think, you know pretty quickly if somebody's like your
kind of people, you know, yeah, like you start chatting
and like you make a couple of jokes.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
And small talk can be the gateway to like more interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Is the gateway. It is the gateway. Ultimately, it is
the gateway. I never would have For example, I never
would have heard about a katar, which is those like
smutty fairy books, if it hadn't been for this one
hairstylist and I talking about our love of reading and
the library and stuff, and that was really cool. On
the other hand, sometimes I'm just I know myself and
(35:33):
I don't have the wherewithal to do it, And so
I'll start by being polite and we'll talk about the haircut. Obviously,
I give them a lot of like respect and direction
and politeness. And then I'll say, I have to work
on this thing, and I've I'm on a little bit
of a deadline and I'm working on something. I hope
(35:55):
you don't mind that. I am gonna be looking at
my laptop or my eye iPad or whatever. Like it's
usually the iPad. I bring the iPad with me. But
then that means I do have to do work, like
I have to read a script or I have to
like take care.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah I've done that too, but yeah you do have
to because like they can see your screen, so yeah
you can't. You can't be scroll on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I've also done, like I have to shop for
Christmas presents right now because this is my time that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I can get that.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Oh that's so like that's been really helpful. And I've
gotten people checked off the lists that way, so mm hmmm.
Oh yeah, I wanted to talk about this the ethics
of hair. This is like form our nerd Time stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Oh yeah, nerd Time.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
The ethics of hair, navigating cultural sensitivities and cutting and styling.
And this is a resource website used by stylists, which
I think is very cool because from this website, hair
carries meaning beyond style. For some it's a statement of
self expression. For others, it's a reflection of cultural heritage
or religious beliefs. And then they list a few key
(36:56):
areas where cultural awareness for different kinds of groups is
really really critical. Protective styles in the Black community, braids, locks, twists,
and other protective styles have deep historical and cultural significance.
Dismissing them as trendy or treating them as just another
fashion statement disregards their meaning. Additionally, understanding the proper techniques
for working on textured hair is a must religious considerations.
(37:20):
Some religions have specific rules regarding hair. Asking permission before
touching or revealing hair that's typically covered is a sign
of respect indigenous traditions. For many indigenous cultures, hair represents strength, spirituality,
and connection to ancestry. Cutting hair might be a significant event,
and some may have specific rituals around it, and understanding
(37:40):
those traditions can prevent unintentional disrespect and then gender identity
and hair. For many LGBTQ people, hair can be an
essential part of life. Affirming their identity, using gender neutral
language and respecting pronouns in the salon can make a
significant difference in making all clients feel welcome. And I
think that this is like you could brush this off
(38:03):
and say like, oh, this is like quote unquote woke
behavior or something.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
But no, it's about being respectful.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah. I think it's about human It's just about being respectful, right.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It's about Yeah, it's about ethics, it's about manners, it's
about politeness. It's about, yeah, just respecting a person and
respecting that. Like for me, I'm not I don't have
like a deep connection to my my hair doesn't feel
like tied to my identity like I've I've changed my
hair lots of times. I'll change my hair for work
(38:37):
on a whim. But I also can empathize and understand
that for someone it's a much deeper thing. It's it's
closer closely tied to their identity or their beliefs, or
their religion or their culture. And you know, it's like,
(38:59):
just don't be a fucking dick, like do you know
what I mean. It's like so many of these things
that are like like this whole like anti woke pushback,
Like so many times when people are like, oh, you're
just being so woke, it's like manners are fucking woke now,
Like when the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Like manners are hard, Like that's the thing you have
to put an effort to have manners. Yes, so is
learning about this because like that's where it gets like
to me, one of I've had so many jobs where
and this is on a job, so it's slightly different.
But there are hairstylists that work on set every day.
(39:37):
Anybody that you see on television has had probably one
or two people work on them, put on makeup for them,
and do their hair, and then they get touched up
periodically throughout the day. And there are lots of people
in those unions, and some of the people in those
unions don't care to learn more once they've got their
union card. They're sort of just like, yeah, I'm in
(40:00):
front a minute. I've had I've had people straighten my
hair and then go back and curl the entire head
of hair with a curling eye. I have had people
not listen to me about how to do my hair,
and then I look at episodes of television. I'm like,
my hair looks crazy and whack. I've had people cut
(40:24):
my hair and not understand it because they're like, well,
we just need to it needs to match the the
what we did like last month, so like it just
needs to match, and then they just chop like because
they think they can without asking me, right. And unfortunately
actors are at the whim sometimes of like we have
to look a certain way for this job, right. But
I think trying to have a voice in it is
(40:47):
really important, and standing up for yourself is really important.
And I've learned a lot being on sets in that,
Like I do have a voice about how I am
perceived in how I look, and I can carry that
voice into any space where someone is cutting my hair
coloring my hair, Like if something looks off or wrong,
(41:08):
now I'm much more likely to be like, actually, can
we stop for a second and just like I just
want to talk about this, and then then we open
it up to a discussion, like you said, like, what
do you think about this? Because to my eye it's
looking like this. Can you tell me more about why
you're doing it like this or that or the other. Right, Yeah,
(41:28):
I've certainly had experiences where my hair has been and
I'm not saying this is what happened to you on
your last show, but like my hair's been wrecked by
some some use of a tool or use of something.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And it's too hot. I think, yeah, I think it
was a little bit of that. And I think it
was just also like the nature of the role and
the fact that we couldn't the way we were doing it,
couldn't it had to be done for us every day.
It couldn't be like I didn't wash it, and like,
we just do it, you know what I mean, because
(42:05):
of like hair pieces and like different accessories and things.
So eventually we started using like like a halfwig and
that saved my hair. But they were like, but thank god.
The response was also like, oh my god, like I
see what's happening, Like your hair is falling out and
it's getting damaged, and so like we're going to correct this,
which thankfully was the right thing to do. But I
(42:27):
also just felt very seen and validated and like taken
care of. And they like we changed and course corrected
and did different things, which was really nice and also
not always the case, which is unfortunate. But yeah, it's like,
just you know, don't be a dick. Just be fucking
respectful of people. God, why is it so hard?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I think it's particular. I mean I don't know this
from my own experience, but I think it's particularly hard
for like some artists to learn about hair that's different
from their own, and like I don't yeah, it's like
a block. I don't know if they just haven't had
enough practice. I don't know, if they want to pretend
that all hair is the same, but it's not.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
It really is. It's a detriment. I think too. You know,
I understand, like if you're a certain kind of artist
and you just want to work on a certain kind
of hair, like I guess like more power too, Like
that's cool, Like, but know that that's your limitation and
know that's your that's the box that you work in,
and that's what you want to do, and that's how
you want to work and like and understand that, like
(43:29):
sometimes you might not get hired for a job because
you don't have the flexibility to be able to work
with all kinds of hair.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Again, just don't be a dick.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
It's hard for some people. Melissa's hard and hard for
some people. You've noticed I have, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
More better.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, what's your takeaway?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
What are my takeaways? I'm going to try to be
more better at like speaking up when I don't like
something during a haircut. This was like a fun one
to talk about. I Yeah, I'm trying to like keep
like grow my hair out and keep it the same.
I'm always fighting the urge to like chop chop, I'm
not gonna do it. I'm not gonna your takeaways. I
(44:18):
love hair. I love I love having long hair, I
love having extensions. I love having short hair. I love
having curling hair, having straight hair.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
And you know, someday I might all fall out of
my head and that's okay too. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
We'll look my bras. I don't think. So you got
a gray head of hair. I think you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I have a lot of it. I do need to
get my root, my roots done.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you feel more better about hair?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Take a look at those roots, honey, that's how fast.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I gotta get my roots done too. Look at that.
Look at that white spot. It's a whole white fucking.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I love it. I love it for them, Love it
for them, not for me. Love it for them.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Though I love it. I am looking forward to the
day where I finally do it. I'm hoping that these
big streaks that I have right now that I still
have in like you want.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Like a row twenty years moment.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, that's what I have right now. That's why this
is so. This is a streak. This is a streak.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
If I would just let that grow out.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Hmm, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
I mean, yeah, okay, anyway, guys, email us your ideas
for episodes, or you know, like maybe vote on whether
or not Melissa should go great. Okay, see you next week,
Bye bye, More Better. Do you have something you'd like
to be more better at that you want us to
talk about in a future episode?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried
one of our tips and tricks?
Speaker 2 (45:49):
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with Stephanie Melissa is a production from UV Sound and
iHeartMedia's Mikultura podcast network, hosted by Me, Stephanie Beatriz and
Melissa Fumero. More Better is produced by ISIS Madrid and
Sophie Spencer's a Boos.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Kumero, along
with Wilmar Valderrama and Leo Klem at w V Sound
and ISIS Madrid. This episode was.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Edited by ISIS Madrid and engineered by Sean Tracy and
features original music by Madison Davenport and Helo Boy. Our
cover art is by Vincent Remis and photography by David Avalos.
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Speaker 1 (46:34):
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Speaker 2 (46:36):
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