November 20, 2025 • 50 mins
The holidays are coming, which means…(drumroll, trumpet, orchestral music)... PACKING SEASON!! The More Better gals get into it about packing cubes, pre-trip outfit try-ons, and tricks to avoid forgetting your damn toothbrush. Melissa reveals an essential hack for busy traveling parents, a dedicated dirty laundry suitcase, and Stephanie shares her personal distaste for backpacks (ruin the line of her jacket, she could never!). Whether you love packing or hate it, Stephanie and Melissa can commiserate. Wait, did you remember your charger?!?!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For me, it's I'm a really good about charger For
some reason. Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly
like my kids iPads, like rinning out of juice on
the plane.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, so I bring I'm always have chargers, and I
always have portable chargers too, like at least one or two.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
More more, more Better, corner, a little more better, more
you start.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
to have it all together.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And embrace the journey of becoming a little more better
every day, or at least trying to.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's most of Room Marrow, and that's Stephanie Beatrice. Hey girl,
what's going on? Hey girl? How you do it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Heye girl, I'm fucking freezing. The weather change amazing, Oh
my god, I mean listen, Am I excited to get
my little layered out that's going Yes? Am I cuzying
in my apartment or my apartment, my office. Yes, I'm
fucking cool. I've busted out my old school Patagonia.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it's sweat a weather. It's sweat a weather.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's sweat a weather, and I am so excited about it.
I am done with the heat.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No more. Well, it is going to be eighty degrees
later today, I know.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's gonna be No, We're probably gonna have like two
more fucking hot heat waves before the cool finally settle.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
What sorry that I just yawned. I need to drink
more coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What have you done lately? That's more better?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What have I done lately? That is more better?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I feel like I've been really stressed out the last
few weeks. Oh, and you know sometimes when you get
into these cycles of feeling overwhelmed and stressed out, but
you just kind of keep moving. So I'm trying to
be more better at like clocking. Oh, I feel overwhelmed
right now. I feel really stressed out. What can I
do about it in this moment instead of just like
(02:06):
trucking through, like just trying to be more conscious, whether
it's like I literally go to the bathroom and like
take five deep breaths, like the kind where you like
inhale for four, hold it for four, exhale for four.
Sometimes even just acknowledging it and just being like what
is it about?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh? Look at me, I'm stressed, Yeah, look at me.
I feel really stressed out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
About Is it actually about anything or is it just
I don't know, a reaction to my kid playing the
trumpet too loud? You know, your kid lay their trumpet. Yeah,
and So started a band this year his school. It's
a great music program, and he wanted to do the drums,
(02:51):
but too many kids pick the drums. So we convinced
the music teacher emailed all the parents, was like, hey,
if you can get them excited about it the instrument.
I think he just didn't want like really upset kids
who couldn't play the drums. So, uh, David has a cousin, actually,
Quiso Fumero, who played with like Tito Puente, and he's
(03:12):
a trumpet player, professional trumpet player, and so we showed
him some videos of Quiso, and uh got him excited
about trumpet.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I regret my decision.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Your own doing, dude, that's me.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's my own doing. I think I thought that maybe
he would still get the drums, but oh, he's excited
about excited about that trumpet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yep. So but you know what, he's not bad, he's not.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, he just started and like he's he's playing,
he's actually playing some notes. It's when he just blows
on it super hard and lowed to be funny that
oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, sorry to this man. Sorry to this man that
you have a funny kid. What have you been doing lately?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's more better.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I removed myself from the situation this morning when Roz
threw something at me and then kicked me. I oh,
I will say, I removed myself.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
She ran into her room crying.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I was like, Rosaline, you know you're not allowed to
do that, to throw that at me, or actually I
was like ros Like I looked at her like whoa bitch?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Whoa fuck?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, And then she ran out of the room into
her bed and like put the covers over her head
and I was like I sat down and I like
gently touched her. I was like, hey, yeah, we don't care.
We don't throw things in our house. Yeah, And I
was going to continue my gentle parenting. And then she
fucking nailed me in the leg with her foot and
I was like Rosaline, you know, like I said her
(04:54):
full name, and I was like, we do not and
like I raised my voice like to not like I tell,
but like I was scary.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I was like low and scary.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
You know, you rose a das her I did, and
it scared out of her and she cried for like,
I mean I left the room. I was like, I
laid it down. I left the room, yep. And uh
then I steamed my shirt in anger, and I steamed
(05:25):
another shirt. I have a steamer, guys. And then I
came back like about ten minutes later, and I was
really glad I left the room. But I was also
glad I wasn't. My mom used to do this thing,
and it's you know, we all deal with like all
of our familial trauma in different ways, but like my
mom used to do this thing where she would she
would like close up like remove her love from the room,
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you know, remove herself and also remove her like and
so you'd be like, I'm sorry, I upset you, and
she'd be like cold dead to the world, like just
like a fucking garage door had come down. And there
was a moment where I felt like fucking fucked our kid.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I didn't, yeah, remain in there.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I like went back in there and I was like, hey,
I'm ready to talk whenever you're ready, and like, honestly,
I didn't even say anything at first I just like
rubbed her back a little bit, and then she like
crawled into my lap and then we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That was okay, okay, It's great.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Myself though, when I like when my voice like went like, here's.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
My not going to get into like parenting things.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But my main beef with like and I think general
parentsing's great and I do it somewhat with my kids,
But the thing that my main beef with it is
I think it often makes parents feel like they failed
if they raise their voice or yell or lose control
or have feelings right, and at the end of the day,
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that is unsustainable, that is impossible. We are also human beings.
Our kids are going to be fucking dicks, especially because
us we're raising them in this better, more empathetic, more
connected way. They feel safer, they feel sometimes like they
can do some ship and sometimes we're gonna lose it.
(07:11):
But we are human beings and it's important for them
to also see that their actions or choices have consequences
in like how it makes a person fucking feel sometimes
your actions have consequences, and like your actions consequences if
you choose to throw your little toy at me, and
then kick me in the leg, like I might get
(07:32):
really fucking upset because I'm a person and anybody something
that me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Back the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm gonna warn yes, like yes, bro, I'm laying it
down right now, like this is I'm drawing a line
in the sand, like you can't fool Like.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
No, you can't like that, you cannot because that's.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Also the other thing is like again not not getting
too deep into the parenting world because heaven forbid, but
have verbid we do not like there are I mean
part of me teaching her like you can't throw a
shit at I mean, you can't kick kick me. Is
like you can't go out there in the real world
and be acting a fool because some other fool punch
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you in the face. Like some other fools, the other
fool out in the world is not going to be
like oh I need you to not understand, like they
might hit you back, like you know, so I just
think that it's you know, I used to feel so
guilty when I would lose it. And you know, a therapist,
(08:39):
a child therapist that I very much respect, once told
me it was like you get to be a human being,
Like it's okay for your kids to see you're not perfect,
Like it's not very Actually.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's necessary actually, like yes, as long as you're like
reconnecting and repairing after the thing that has happened, Like
that's actually the most important moment.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That's what I'm saying. Like though, that's the part that
my mom would like.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think most of our parents, Yeah, I don't think
our parents knew, oh you know, to to do that
like connect and repair. Yeah, And then we're all adults
being like having a fucking hard time apologizing for shit
and like you know, or like having I don't I'm
messed up and I don't know how to talk about
it now, Like how do I fix this with my friend?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know? So I think that's like the biggest thing
that we're giving our kids. But like, yeah, man, I
freaking are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I got two wild ass boys. I lose my shit
all the time. They fucking know how to get me
to the brink. Yeah, And I try not to give.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I try.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I have days where I'm really good because I'm also like,
don't take the bait. Don't take the bait like they're
trying to do it like they're trying to get a
reaction out of me.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But sometimes it's also like you have to put your
foot down and be like, oh, you can't stand up,
Like that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
A way, absolutely not. You know what you're doing. I'm
not an idiot. I know what you're doing. You have
to stop. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, you're a great mom. Thanks. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I do feel like I am the greatest mom, the
number one you are.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You're a great mom. We are all doing great.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We are more better.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
What are we talking about to today, Melissa. It's totally unrelated.
It's totally unrelated.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh, we're talking about packing, getting more better at packing.
And I'm excited because I feel like you are so
good at packing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I have a lot of thought better.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
But I know and I'm That's why I'm excited. Please
please tell how you became such a good packer, because
you really are such a good packer.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When you went to Europe? Was that the past summer.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Last year to Italy? Maybe it was last year, Yeah,
it was Italy trip. I remember texting or calling with
you while you were packing, and you were showing you
pictures of what you were packing, and it was so
thoughtfully laid out. I was like, God, damn it, I
need to learn how to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, so to start, I would say, like I
don't consider myself like a good packer.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will say that I enjoy the process of.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Like I don't enjoy the leaving it to last minute
and being like fuck, because like it's actually quite a
big job to condense your wardrobe down to like don't
underestimate it, right, Like it is quite a big deal
to condense your wardrobe down to like a trip of
like yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
What you need, what you'll use, and.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
We can discuss, you know, the benefits. And like I
hate checking bags. Sometimes I have to do it, but
I really loathe doing it because it just makes me
like nervous. It's like all fee into my anxious energy
of I don't want to I don't want to lose
the stuff that I am traveling with, especially if it's
(12:07):
like for press or something like that, where like I
have to show up and look, you know, represent like I.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Represent the show you that because like especially for work
stuff or like whenever you have to bring like a
lot of makeup or hair products, like like how you
have to check a bag, Well you.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Do, and you don't like I always want so okay,
so okay, I think for work stuff. Okay, this is
such a big thought. But okay, let me give you
this this example of like I used to be an overpacker.
I would be like I need this, and I need
this and I need this, and I would just like
(12:48):
start throwing stuff in the suitcase and and like making
up outfits in my mind and being like, oh, that'll
look good, that'll look good, right, and then you're traveling
with this ginormous suitcase. The first time I realized that
this was a huge mistake was a trip that I
took to Paris and luckily there was an elevator, but
like getting the giant suitcase like out of the out
(13:12):
of the airport into the train. I think I took
the train to the airbnb that I was staying at,
getting it up into the airbnb, getting it down. Then
I took one of those like uh train, those fast
trains to London or maybe it was vice versa nightmare
(13:32):
nightmare struggling with this giant bag, like lifting it up
onto the nightmare, total nightmare.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was like, something has to something has to change, right, So.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
To me, the perfect trip packing is a small carry
on suitcase and a small not too heavy personal item, right,
and I usually go for like a tote. I know
people like backpacks, but like you, I can never. I
can never ruin the line of my jacket or coat.
(14:05):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. I like having everything. So like,
let's say I'm going on a work trip, right, like,
and I know I have to do press. I pack
the press outfit in the carry on because that way
I know I have it. Because that's the most stressful
situation that I'm going to be in, and I know
(14:27):
that I have it on me. I take all the
jewelry and put it in my personal item. I've got
everything with me. I'm not checking a bag and then
going and then arriving in New York and being like fuck,
I have to like shop for an outfit tonight because
my bag didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's a night, oh god night, man's yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
A hell escape, right, But what I do know is
that I'm probably gonna get hair and makeup done, so
like I don't need to bring any of that stuff.
Like how much makeup do I wear on a regular
basis not very much, So like I pair that way
way down. I caan't all my stuff into travel containers.
Like or if I'm lucky enough to stay at a
nice hotel, I don't even bring like shampoo and conditioner
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because I know that they'll have it at the hotel.
There's like these little things that I have picked up.
I have a tiny straightener. It's like this big instead
of like a giant string. I definitely wear my biggest
pair of shoes. So like that trip that we took
to Austin that time, I wore my cowboy boots on
the plane because I knew I was gonna want to
wear them while I was there, so I wore them
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on the plane so that I didn't have all that
space taken up in my bag. Also, the plane outfit
is a whole nother thing, right, So we talk about
outfits in the moment.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But I feel like I use packing cubes.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I do, but I don't swear by them. I think
they're useful, But to me, I don't feel like you
have to buy things to be a good packer. Like
the internet will tell you like you need these ten
things or whatever. There was an article in here like
that's like travel and Leisure. I'm a professional packer. These
are twelve genius hats for making your carry on bag lighter.
(16:05):
It's like, yeah, if you have extra money to spend,
you could do that, but like sometimes people don't write,
Like I buy a set of packing cubes and like
sometimes I use them, but I don't always use all
of them.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I got the kind that have like the second zipper,
so it can like compress.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But do you compress your shit? Yeah? No, I don't
do it.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Why, Like I've tried, but it's like, well, that's the
whole point of the packing cube is like you put
stuff in it and then it's tidy, So like why
would I like then try to compress it down and like.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because then it gives you like a little more space.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Not really though, like it's incremental like increment, Like what
are you going to fit in like that space?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like a pair of socks and underwear?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean no, I feel like I fit like like
a jacket, like a like a couple of jackets over
my packing cubes because they were like pressed down and
like it gave me space on top to like lay
a few more things.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Why are you traveling with so many jackets? Where are
you going? Listen? I have anxiety? Okay, this is the problem.
Here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Your anxiety is the problem. My anxiety is the problem.
I think I've become slightly and well here's what I'm
inconsistent with my overpacking or underpacking. I do both, Like
my anxiety causes me to do both. Like I will
overpack for a trip and then be like, great, there
was literally six shirts that I didn't was that I
did not need to bring. And then the next trip
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I'll underpack and be like, I'm fucking cold. Why didn't
I break?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Why didn't I bring? Or like a jacket? Like what's
wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
More? Better?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
More better?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah? Tell me your approach to outfits when you pack?
What first of all? Start with? Like what you're gonna
do while you're there?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I always write down a list, and now I do
it in my notes app, but like I write down
a list of like okay, so like literally I'm going
to use this trip that is coming up to give
you an example of this greatest Paris. We're going to
Paris for Lady Gaga because I'm insane and I love
her so much. Oh my god, Now everyone's going to
know where I'm am. But it's okay, Am I gonna
(18:15):
tell you where I'm staying. So we depart the evening.
We're flying overnight because Paris is a look flight away
from La First we're taking a day trip out to
Cole Maar and I believe Strausburg. Then Saturday we have
free and then Monday we return. So like what am
I doing on each of those days? And like what
(18:37):
I wrote down is like I want to go to
the Christmas market at the Tuileries Garden and have a
drink at a cocktail bar. Then the next day I
want to go and think I said, I want to
go do like some shopping and wandering, and then we
have the Gaga show that night. So like, already I'm
like narrowing down what I'm doing each day, right, So
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then then once you start narrowing down where you're going
to be, it's like, well, then what shoes.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Are appropriate for these things? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
What outfits are appropriate for these things? Like, well, I
want to dress up for Gaga?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
So you want to dress up for Gaga. You don't
want to wear your white sneakers for Gaga, right, your
little white brook sneakers. You don't want to wear your
book sneakers for Gaga?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
So then you don't need to bring the brook sneakers. Actually, oh,
but what if I want to work out? Oh, you've
never worked out barefoot, You've never done yoga, you've never
done like pilates in your room. Like what's your problem?
Like why you need to bring the fair sneakers? Well,
what if it rains? Like what if you're walking around
the city, then wear your solomons, Like your solomons are waterproof,
but your solomons aren't cute with every outfit? Too bad
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about it? Like, what do you want to do? You
want to bring a pair of boots? Okay, then bring
a pair of boots. But like, if you're gonna bring
a pair of boots, you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Wear those boots on the plane.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You also have to wear those boots to Gaga, and
you're gonna have to wear those.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Boots to cole Maar. So, like, which pair of boots
are you bringing?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Are they waterproof? Like really waterproof? Or would you rather
just bring your solomons and like build outfits around yourself
so you kind of start with the shoes. I try
to start with the shoes because they take up so
much space. And then also if you're traveling somewhere cold.
I want to also start with the jacket because like,
and now here's here's where it's going to get tricky
for Paris, because what I want to do is bring
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my leather cool black trench coat that's like vintage that
I bought the last time I'm there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was there. Oh, but I can't pack that trench coat.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So I could pack it in a checked bag, but
then I'm risking losing it. Yeah, I could wear it
on the plane, or I could pack it in my
carry on. If I pack it in my carry on,
it's going to be too crowded in there. So I
could wear it on a plane. No, that's stupid, right,
You never want to pack a jacket.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
In your like a big jacket.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That's a terrible idea, right, So then I have to
wear it on the plane or pack it in the
checked pluggage. But if I wear it on the plane,
that means that that's probably my only jacket that I'm bringing,
unless I pack one in the unless I check one
as well.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So it's like then it gets tricky.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It's like, because you want to wear your heaviest jacket
onto the plane if you want to.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like and you want a layer for the plane.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Also, like you want to wear like cute totally, I
never wear I'm not a fan of I get.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hot and cold on every plane.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Also, like, if you're gonna wear sweatpants on the plane,
like cool, but they need to be sweatpants either that
you're going to sleep in for the rest of your
trip or that you are comfortable wearing out, Like you
need to style those sweatpants to the nines because why
are you wearing pants?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, wait, wait, here's my here's my problem. Though.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
If I'm wearing sweats on the plane and it's a
long ass plane flight like that, I feel like, are
you getting them laundered like when you arrive you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Okay, Okay, that's great, that's gross.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Like anything you wear on a plane, I feel like
not wearing again and thus it gets warm.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I mean, I'll wear like jeans again unless it's
like jeans.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, I war my jeans a million times, right, So
like to me, I don't yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
To me, I'll like either wear.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'll either wear like black sweats that are like a
little bit chicer, that have like an interesting shape or something.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'll wear those on the plane.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Because I can wear those like I can like make
them look like an outfit. Or I'll wear hard pants,
hard pants, jeans, pants, whatever that I can wear again
on the trip. Yeah, or for a long haul flight,
I'll wear hard pants, and then I'll just bring like
a tiny pair of leggings in my carry on so
I can just whip them out and change. Yeah, that's
(22:45):
my favorite thing to do because like then you're super comfy.
You sleep in your leggings and then you can change
back into the hardpants when you arrive. If you have to,
like check in your hotel and then go somewhere, that's
a smart Yeah. I love to bring, but they have
to be thin leggings. You don't want a pair of
sweatpants in your.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Carry on, right like that?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Or no, no, yeah, something you can roll up real tiny, yeah,
tiny tiny. I feel also that I one of the
things that I really enjoy, and this might be part
of why you don't always feel like you've succeeded when
you pack, is that you have to try on outfits.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You have to give yourself a little time to try
on outfits because the outfits in your head sometimes are
not they not hitting.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
They're not hitting you know what you're so right.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I did that for when we went to New York
and we went for a long weekend, and you're right,
And I actually didn't even realize, but I kind of
did what you were just describing because I knew we
were going to be walking all day. We're doing statch
of Liberty this day, We're going up to Harlem this day,
Like you know, I knew it was going to be hot,
and I did. And my friend came over and I
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did try on outfits and she helped me put together.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And I think I packed one.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Extra outfit that I didn't end up wearing, but it
was like in case we go back to the hotel
and shower and then like go to dinner, so I
had a spare outfit in there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But yeah, I wore all my outfits and they all.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Like worked like little skirts with sneakers, and it looked
cute and it was way less. It was the first
time I did that for a trip because it was
a short trip and we were going to do all
carry ons. We're going to do a carry on for
the kids, carry on for me, carry on for David,
and because usually we do like the one big checked
bag for everybody, like when we go to Florida in
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the summer to see family and stuff. It's just easier
to have just like one big bag with us. Although
actually no, I take that back. This past summer we
did the three carry ons again because the boys need
a lot less stuff now because they're bigger, they don't
need as many extra outfits or like, you know, they're
not like throwing up at random or pooping their pants
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or spilling shit on themselves as much. I still will
like throw an extra T shirt in a in like
a like a tope bat or like or one of
their backpacks.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, just in case, Like, especially for the little one.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You know, God forbid, he spills water on his shirt
and you're in a fucking you know, saga of your trip.
It's wet shirt. It's wet, it'll dry, but it's so wet,
like and then you just you know, the path of
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least resistance is to change their shirts so that everyone
on a plane hear them. Yeah, have a meltdown about being.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Wet the one time. So I have this rule.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
When ros was little, I was like, we always need
to pack her an extra outfit in her when she
was a baby in her Oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Like yeah, before the age of four, you have to
have an extra outfit, at least one or two.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But also you need an extra outfit for the parent
for yourself. Yeah, because and like that is that super
thin leggings and an extra sweatshirt or an extra T
shirt or a long sleeve shirt something. And Brad resisted
it so much because he was like, I'm mister lightpacker.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
This motherfucker we went to we were.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
In London, we went to sketch and it was like,
you know, I think this goes along with packing, because
it's like when you have a baby, you're packing for
the day, You're like leaving your house and you've got
the diaper bag.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
She had a blowout in the middle of this beautiful
tea room. He took her to the bathroom. She he
he was like, he was freaking out, and I had shoved,
against his wishes, shoved an extra outfit in there, and
thank god I did. And then another time on a flight,
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it was because he got shit on him. He got
baby shit on him. Well not that time, but she
peed all over him in the middle of a flight. Uh,
And he didn't have an extra outfit, and I was like, oh,
that's a shame.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like, I mean, I didn't mean if one. I wasn't
like trying to.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Be snuff smug about it, but.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But like how could you not?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You were like it was I was also like, it's
just like just throw another T shirt in there, like
just throw another pair of pants in their bud like
you gotta yep please.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah no, yeah, you never know. Kids are a different story.
Though it's a different Kids are a different story.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
If you're traveling by yourself, you have a lot more freedom,
right like if you're traveling for this is what I'm saying.
Little like I think trying on stuff is so helpful.
Having a color palette is really helpful too, Like oh
so that everything well, like so you can mix and
match a little bit, like yeah, do you do like
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more tops and like a few bottoms or yeah, I
try to keep it to Like I mean, I think
that the time because I feel like I remember that
from your Italy trip you were like I've got these
great shorts and then you go great with this topic
and this topic and I'm bringing this skirt and like.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, I was like, ooh, she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I brought too many dresses in Italy because I had
this like fantasy of being like, I'm in Italy and
I'm wearing these beautiful dresses. I could have brought one dress, okay,
because there were a couple of days where it was
colder than I thought it was gonna be. Checking the
weather obviously, is always your best friend.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
More better?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is there anything that you always forget or like things
that you stupid charger.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'd like have the charger down, pat the freaking toilet trees.
I do in the morning before I leave.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I make a little list, but I have to put
a post it on my fucking bag that says get
your charger, because there have been so many times when
I land and I'm like or I'm in the plane
and I'm I'm in the airport and I'm like, oh shit,
my batteries on X amount or whatever, and I'm looking
around in my bag and I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Like, I fucking forgot to pack my charger for me.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's I'm really good about charger.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
For some reason.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly like my
kids iPads like riding out of juice on the plane.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Uh So, I bring.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm always have chargers, and I always have portable chargers too,
like at least one or two.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And but for me, it's toothbrush. I can't tell you
how many.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Times I have forgotten my toothbrush, my children's toothbrushes, and.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
The kids.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One really sucks because when you get a toothbrush from
the front desk, even at Disney, because I forgot them
at No.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They're booty. They're always booty. They're booty.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But they're also giving you like minty toothpaste that my
kids are not really like, They're still like there, their
toothpaste is a little bit minty, but it's mostly like fruity,
Like it's fruity flavors, like it's those like kid flavors
and so mint toothpaste to them, they're like a so spicy.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Like every time I'm like, god, I put the tidiest bit. Okay,
So this is it's so strong. This is the post
it is very helpful. The post it on the bag
is very helpful. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
It's really it's every time, like I'm going to bed
the night before, I'm like, what are the last couple
of things that I need to remember like my past.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yes, I try to make a morning of list of
like all the last minute things that we have to
grab in the morning. Yeah, that David and I can
both look at. That's always like toothbrushes, chargers like yeah,
your glasses like whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Also like there, So I have a basket underneath my vanity,
like in the bathroom, and the basket is just full
of and it's pretty organized, although I probably need to
go through it. It's full of like travel sizes of
everything you could ever want. There's travel size dental floss.
There's travel sized toothpaste, there's travel size there's a travel
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sized first aid kit.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
There's like everything, lotions, potions, boop it up up.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It's all in there. And so like before I go
on a trip, when I'm packing my toilet tries, a
lot of times I'll just swap out something because it's
usually only like what I'm leaving for five days, maybe
maybe seven. Yeah, the skin stuff is the stuff that
I find the most important. But like toothpaste, Like, I've
got a ton of little travel toothpastes that I could
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use me too. Yeah, totally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Skincare can be tricky depending on the length of the trip.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, and hair care ada I'm going.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, I struggle more the skincare I kind of I'll do.
I'll bring like a simpler version of whatever I do.
And I'll usually bring, uh at least what because I
have really dry skin. And so if I'm going anywhere
cold or like if I or if maybe it's going
to be hot but the air conditioning might be intense,
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I'm definitely bringing like a heavier moisturizer just.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
In case, and a lighter one.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But then I may be like bringing one I'm not bringing,
like too serrup. I'm bringing, you know, the one I
like the most, like an SPI of course.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And pimple patches.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Always, always I always throw a thing of pimple patches
in there.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, they take up no room.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But hair care is hard because as great as like,
I love the travel section of Alta Beauty, like every
Alta Beauty has a great small travel size of like
so many products. But yeah, but hair is tough because
if I'm going somewhere where I'm gonna like wear my
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hair wavy, I guess I could do like those little bottles.
That's usually what I end up doing, like putting my
favorite products in like a little travel bottle.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, for Christmas, i'mone to ask for a set of
those Cadence Have you seen those?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, they're little capsules.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They're I think it's the company is called Cadence, and
they're spillproof.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
They're little.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
They're almost like little jars and you can fill them
up with any kind of product and that way you're
not like sometimes with those shitty travel bottles there's like
wasted product at the bottom because you can't get it out.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, you can't get So these are like jars. So
a lot of them are too big.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Most of them are at big. They're too big. I
need half the size of this.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's just for some frickin' hair lotion that I'm to use,
like a tiny bit about you know.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So the Cadence ones are stackable, they're magnetic. And this
is not an AD, not an AD, but if anyone
but if they want to, if they want to send
us free ship, they want to send to Will.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But they look cool as hell and you.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Can just like pump your normal stuff in there and
the label what I do because like that toilet tries
take up a lot of space. And also if you're
carrying on. You can only do three point four ounces
per right, thing right, and so like, yeah, you should.
You should just decant your you have to decant everything.
I'm such a big believer. It's like you have to
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do it. You just bite the bullet into it or
buy the travel sizes because like otherwise you're taking a
valuable space or checking a bag based on like hair care.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Come on, like, you don't need to do that. You
know I have done that. I have done that. You
don't need to do that. Girl, you don't need to
do that.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Again, I don't need to do that. Time is past.
Do you unpack when you get there? Or do you
live out of your seat?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Us?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Like, how do you you? You unpacked? I do too.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I let yes, I used to do out of my
suitcase and we kind of do that, like, you know,
when we travel to Florida, we're staying with our parents
and there's maybe like one or two empty drawers for
us and like a few hangers. I try to do
my best because it is so much easier to like
close up the suitcase.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
But that's the only place that we like live out
of our suitcase a little bit. It's not my preference.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But if I'm in a hotel, the first thing I do,
or at Airbnb or anything like that, first thing I
do is completely unpacked. Put a drawer for the kids,
put a drawer for me, you know, hang whatever me too,
And I don't know it just I mean, repacking sucks
a little bit, but we have this, like you know,
what we do for repacking.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
At the end of a trip.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
We'll make like all our dirty like when we went
to New York and we're staying in this hotel room
that was not a bad size actually for New York.
We will usually at the end use one of our
carry ons for all the dirty clothes. Smart so like
all the dirty clothes whatever just literally gets thrown in
in a pile. It's not even fall, you know, and
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whatever shoes maybe shit we bought. It's like one junk
suitcase basically nice.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And then we'll use.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The other suitcase to put whatever clean clothes or whatever
things we bought, you know, like more neatly and uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And that's just some kind of work.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So then when we get home, it's nice because you
just take that one carry on, you just take it
over your washing machine and throw everything in and like
you know, do your laundry.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
As soon as you have them. I did something similar
and it came up with that. I like that.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I like usually it'll be either one of the extra
like one of the packing cubes, or sometimes certain suitcases
will have like a little laundry bag in there, or
if you're staying at a hotel, they'll provide like, oh,
like if you want to get your laundry done at
the hotel, they'll provide like, yeah, we'll use those bags.
Ye'll use that and put all my dirty laundry in there. Yeah,
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because like I don't want that stuff stinking up everything else.
I will say, Yeah. One of my tricks for travel
is like taking stuff. If I'm gonna wash it, it
needs to be like a quick dry kind of thing
like that I can just hang and it's gonna be
dry like probably the next day. Like so a lot
of like T shirts or tank tops that I take
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for like layering stuff, I can just wash them in
the sink and then'net's amazing on.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like you know, wait, yeah, aren't there like these really
cool little like uh, are they like the laundry sheets or.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, there's tiny little soap things that are like paper
there's little packets, little packet bags that you can buy.
I did have one of those explode ones, so I
would say, if you're gonna use a liquid one, put
them in a ziploc bag before you put them in
your suitcase, because one of mine exploded in my toiletry
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case and I was like, what the fuck is this
and then I realized it was my laundry detertion. But
I've done that multiple times, and it's great because like
you just washed like a couple pairs of underwear and
like a couple tank tops or a T shirt in
the sink, and then you hang it to dry and boom,
you have a clean outfit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Again, it's great.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Or like workout clothes, like I don't want to bring
four different sports bras and like four leggings fucking smart,
because workout clothes are always the bait of my existence.
If I am going somewhere and I know there's gonna
be a good gym or whatever, and I want to
like work out.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But then you're like annoyed that these.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Like workout clothes are taking up so much space in
my fucking bag.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So my trick for that is two pairs of leggings.
Two sports bras.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
If I'm gonna wear a shirt over it, it needs
to be a shirt that can double with something else.
Like normally I would never do that, but I'm on
a trip, so it's like a special rule. Like I
can wear this T shirt down to the gym and
like maybe take it off before I get too sweaty. Okay,
socks need to be I have to be able to
wear them somewhere else like these. This pair of socks
cannot just be like a workout sock, Like it has
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to be a workout sock and I can also wear
to like some other thing. Everything has to do double duty,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
And the same with the sneakers, Like if you are
going to be like in a hotel gym.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, like I'm working out of my Solomon.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Barefoot, but sometimes I don't want to always be barefoot.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
And I'm going to work out of my solemn. I
worked out on my Solomon's, I worked out in my Converse. Okay,
I would never work out in a regular like a
hotel gin barefoot, but I would. I have asked, like, oh,
can I have a matt and some dumbbells in my room?
And like more often than that, they'll bring them to
you like, oh, sometimes they won't.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Like and I've never even thought to do that.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I definitely stayed places where they're like, oh no, we
can't do that, which sucks, but like it doesn't hurt
to ask, you know, it just doesn't hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I've also stayed in places where I have asked them
to like empty out the minifridge because I'm like, that's
it's too tempting for me, can you please empty it out?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And sometimes they will.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Sometimes I've done that, especially with kids, I've asked them
to like empty out the mini fridge so that I
can just like stuff that my kids actually will eat
or I will eat like in.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
There and not twelve dollars M and ms. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
My kids don't need to like be looking at candy
like every day like this.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Now we're will in there. We're gonna put some apples
in there. Happens the apples and cheez.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I will say the best, the best piece of packing
advice I've ever gotten is that for a trip overseas
or like a trip that you're taking where you know
you're probably gonna do some souvenir shopping or you want
to want to bring stuff back, like we're going to this,
We're going to Sicaga, right, But I also I'm so
excited to see these Christmas markets in Europe and like Paris.
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I'm just so looking forward to it. And I know
I'm gonna want to bring like some artists and stuff
back for friends and family. And so what I am
going to do is I'm going to check a bag,
but it's mostly gonna be empty, like it might have
maybe if I bring a second jacket, it might have
a second jack get in there and like, okay, you
know some stuff that I'm not going to miss right
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away if the bag gets lost.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I also do put tracking devices in my bags now,
like I put Apple.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The little I can't remember they're called.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Keeps saying yeah the air tags weak air tag, that
we're going to do that, and we haven't done.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It yet, but yes, it's awesome, it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Also pro tip, if you have a toddler or small child,
you could stick an air tag on their little outfit
when you take them to Disneyland and they're never gonna past.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Or they have those little like cute watches that they
for kids that held a little air tag.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I put them in my bag, my chuck bag.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, I usually use my kids carry on is usually
has extra space.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And if we're going somewhere where I think we're gonna
buy stuff, I try to make their bag like even
lighter yeacause kids I find like they will I could
read like I could do a lot less bottoms for them,
especially if we're going if we're going in to anywhere
hot where they're probably going to be in a bathing
suit all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'm packing like two or three shorts for that. Yeah,
for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
The thing that they are going to consistently mess up
is their shirt. That's the thing that they're going to
spill shit on. That's the shit that Unfortunately, if you're
going somewhere for a week, you need to pack them
like ten shirts. Like it's just inevitable. They will spill
some fucking shit on their shirts.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
But you don't do when you're when you're in Florida,
you can do laundry though, like right, like can't you
Oh yeah, yeah for Florida, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeahh in Florida where we have laundry, No, I pack
them maybe, like so I don't have to do laundry
like every three or four day, I'll pack it right
for four or five shirts for them and maybe like
two shorts because they are in their pajamas or their
bathing suits.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, and Zo's at the age where he'll like do
an outfit change, which I'm like, bro, we're traveling, like,
you can't be doing an outfit change every day, Sonny,
you have run out of clean like yeah, like he'll
hearing over learn how to do laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
That's ty, Yeah, that's you're right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Actually, that's totally okay. If you want to do do
your outpha change, you can do that. If now you
have you have to do laundry, yeah, to do that
outfit so you're.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Right, or you could keep that outfit on.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I can't wait to see the look on the oella's
faces when I send my nine year old boy to
do his own laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That would be really fun. Oh my god, are ridiculous?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Really quick before we go, there is like this packing
method that I think like TikTok and Reddit introduced or
you know, I don't know who came up with it,
but it's like the five three two one method, and
I think it's interesting. Okay, Essentially you pack five bottoms,
four tops, three pairs of shoes, two dresses, jumpsuits or layers,
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and one accessory. I don't know, I think this is
a good jumping off point, and like, if you really
struggle with like putting together outfits, maybe this is for you.
I do think the power of accessories can change an outfit,
like immediately, Like I could wear you know, I could
wear my cool I have these black sweatpants that are
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like they have this like cool weird bottom that's like
a bunky shape. So like I could wear those to
a nice dinner if I layer them with like a
black tank top, a black blazer, high heels, black white heels,
and then like a cool gold necklace of big earrings,
like perfect for dinner. And then if I just switch
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the shoes to the solomons, put on some socks and
maybe layer you know, I've got this like big black
scarf that I use for travel, or like a little
bandana or something totally different outfit hat totally different outfit,
you know what I mean. Like, yeah, like it's very
easy to do make different outfits if you pack accessories.
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So like I I'm like, I wear a hat on
the plane so that I can have a hat when
I'm traveling. I have like a like I said, I
think like it's a J Crew. I think my bound
sale right now. J Crew and Gap do really nice
like big they we used to call them paj minas,
but they're basically big like scarf cape that you can
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use as a blanket on the plane, but then you
can also use a scarf when you get to your location.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
M god, so many hot tips.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Also, because you kept saying Solomon's I wanted to look
up Solomons the bus.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I don't know. Are you talking about the slip ons
and clogs? No, I'm talking about s A L O
M O N.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And I'm talking about like the hiking shoes, like the
tennis shoes, the hiking shoes. So I'll send you a link.
I'll send you a link because there's a ton of
great ones right now. They just did a collab with like, Okay, they're.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Kind of like booty kind of sneakers. Yeah, some of
them are high tops and then some of them are icy.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I would never the high tops are not for me.
The high tops are for serious hikers. For me, it's
like the fashion y like sneaker shoe. If you're interested,
don't know a chunky sneaker. Yeah, it's like a chunky,
cool sneaker, but it's not like, yeah, goofy looking like
it doesn't well, some of them are kind of goofy,
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but some of them are very cool and like they
just kind of make your outfit look like you're not trying,
but they're comfy walk in.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, Okay, more better, Okay. What was your big takeaway today? Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
My god, so many hot tips about wear your biggest
shoes on the plane. Paj the recent pashmino one that
doubles as a scarf was great. Yeah, you have to
put on your outfits before you pack.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You have to give yourself time.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm gonna redo all of my little travel containers for
my skincare and hair care.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, so you had so many good hot tips. This
was great.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I definitely feel more better about packing. What are your takeaways?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I need to get cracking.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
I'm packing for a trip that I'm taking to New
York in two days. I'm going to New York in
like two days, and I need to pack because I
have multiple events that I have to go to, but
also I'm spending time with a friend, so there's a
lot of stuff and I don't want to check a bag.
And then I also need to start thinking about Paris,
which is like in a month, but I'd rather get
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it in my head now what I'm gonna want to
take and not so that I can make sure everything's
like ready to go so I'm not stressed out two
days before I'm.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Like losing my mind.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Because that's another thing. This, let me tell you, this
is a lot of trial and error. Like I have
had times where I wait until the last second and
I'm like crying in my closet because I'm having to
try everything on and I'm so stressed out.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, so this is like Ali. I love to pack
like two days before a trip, two or three days
before a trip. I like that day before to be
just left for like random things that I remember that
I maybe want to take. Sometimes I can be dangerous though,
because sometimes I can overpack on the day before because
I'm thinking of to.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
You, I'm like, oh but what about this? What about this?
What about that? Huh? But yeah, I like to do
it a couple days before. I feel a little more
better about packing? Do you.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I feel a lot more better about packing, but I
don't have to do it today like you do.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So that's real. That's real, that's real. Okay, all right,
this was a fun one. Yeah, this was fun. I
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For me, it's I'm a really good about charger For
some reason. Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly
like my kids iPads, like rinning out of juice on
the plane.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, so I bring I'm always have chargers, and I
always have portable chargers too, like at least one or two.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 4 (00:39):
Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
And embrace the journey of becoming a little more better
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's most of Room Marrow, and that's Stephanie Beatrice. Hey girl,
what's going on? Hey girl? How you do it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Heye girl, I'm fucking freezing. The weather change amazing, Oh
my god, I mean listen, Am I excited to get
my little layered out that's going Yes? Am I cuzying
in my apartment or my apartment, my office. Yes, I'm
fucking cool. I've busted out my old school Patagonia.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it's sweat a weather. It's sweat a weather.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's sweat a weather, and I am so excited about it.
I am done with the heat.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No more. Well, it is going to be eighty degrees
later today, I know.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's gonna be No, We're probably gonna have like two
more fucking hot heat waves before the cool finally settle.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
What sorry that I just yawned. I need to drink
more coffee.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What have you done lately? That's more better?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What have I done lately? That is more better?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I feel like I've been really stressed out the last
few weeks. Oh, and you know sometimes when you get
into these cycles of feeling overwhelmed and stressed out, but
you just kind of keep moving. So I'm trying to
be more better at like clocking. Oh, I feel overwhelmed
right now. I feel really stressed out. What can I
do about it in this moment instead of just like
(02:06):
trucking through, like just trying to be more conscious, whether
it's like I literally go to the bathroom and like
take five deep breaths, like the kind where you like
inhale for four, hold it for four, exhale for four.
Sometimes even just acknowledging it and just being like what
is it about?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh? Look at me, I'm stressed, Yeah, look at me.
I feel really stressed out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
About Is it actually about anything or is it just
I don't know, a reaction to my kid playing the
trumpet too loud? You know, your kid lay their trumpet. Yeah,
and So started a band this year his school. It's
a great music program, and he wanted to do the drums,
(02:51):
but too many kids pick the drums. So we convinced
the music teacher emailed all the parents, was like, hey,
if you can get them excited about it the instrument.
I think he just didn't want like really upset kids
who couldn't play the drums. So, uh, David has a cousin, actually,
Quiso Fumero, who played with like Tito Puente, and he's
(03:12):
a trumpet player, professional trumpet player, and so we showed
him some videos of Quiso, and uh got him excited
about trumpet.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I regret my decision.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Your own doing, dude, that's me.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's my own doing. I think I thought that maybe
he would still get the drums, but oh, he's excited
about excited about that trumpet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yep. So but you know what, he's not bad, he's not.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, he just started and like he's he's playing,
he's actually playing some notes. It's when he just blows
on it super hard and lowed to be funny that
oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, sorry to this man. Sorry to this man that
you have a funny kid. What have you been doing lately?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's more better.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I removed myself from the situation this morning when Roz
threw something at me and then kicked me. I oh,
I will say, I removed myself.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
She ran into her room crying.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I was like, Rosaline, you know you're not allowed to
do that, to throw that at me, or actually I
was like ros Like I looked at her like whoa bitch?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Whoa fuck?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, And then she ran out of the room into
her bed and like put the covers over her head
and I was like I sat down and I like
gently touched her. I was like, hey, yeah, we don't care.
We don't throw things in our house. Yeah, And I
was going to continue my gentle parenting. And then she
fucking nailed me in the leg with her foot and
I was like Rosaline, you know, like I said her
(04:54):
full name, and I was like, we do not and
like I raised my voice like to not like I tell,
but like I was scary.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I was like low and scary.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
You know, you rose a das her I did, and
it scared out of her and she cried for like,
I mean I left the room. I was like, I
laid it down. I left the room, yep. And uh
then I steamed my shirt in anger, and I steamed
(05:25):
another shirt. I have a steamer, guys. And then I
came back like about ten minutes later, and I was
really glad I left the room. But I was also
glad I wasn't. My mom used to do this thing,
and it's you know, we all deal with like all
of our familial trauma in different ways, but like my
mom used to do this thing where she would she
would like close up like remove her love from the room,
(05:49):
you know, remove herself and also remove her like and
so you'd be like, I'm sorry, I upset you, and
she'd be like cold dead to the world, like just
like a fucking garage door had come down. And there
was a moment where I felt like fucking fucked our kid.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But I didn't, yeah, remain in there.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
I like went back in there and I was like, hey,
I'm ready to talk whenever you're ready, and like, honestly,
I didn't even say anything at first I just like
rubbed her back a little bit, and then she like
crawled into my lap and then we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That was okay, okay, It's great.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Myself though, when I like when my voice like went like, here's.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
My not going to get into like parenting things.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But my main beef with like and I think general
parentsing's great and I do it somewhat with my kids,
But the thing that my main beef with it is
I think it often makes parents feel like they failed
if they raise their voice or yell or lose control
or have feelings right, and at the end of the day,
(06:51):
that is unsustainable, that is impossible. We are also human beings.
Our kids are going to be fucking dicks, especially because
us we're raising them in this better, more empathetic, more
connected way. They feel safer, they feel sometimes like they
can do some ship and sometimes we're gonna lose it.
(07:11):
But we are human beings and it's important for them
to also see that their actions or choices have consequences
in like how it makes a person fucking feel sometimes
your actions have consequences, and like your actions consequences if
you choose to throw your little toy at me, and
then kick me in the leg, like I might get
(07:32):
really fucking upset because I'm a person and anybody something
that me.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Back the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm gonna warn yes, like yes, bro, I'm laying it
down right now, like this is I'm drawing a line
in the sand, like you can't fool Like.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
No, you can't like that, you cannot because that's.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Also the other thing is like again not not getting
too deep into the parenting world because heaven forbid, but
have verbid we do not like there are I mean
part of me teaching her like you can't throw a
shit at I mean, you can't kick kick me. Is
like you can't go out there in the real world
and be acting a fool because some other fool punch
(08:14):
you in the face. Like some other fools, the other
fool out in the world is not going to be
like oh I need you to not understand, like they
might hit you back, like you know, so I just
think that it's you know, I used to feel so
guilty when I would lose it. And you know, a therapist,
(08:39):
a child therapist that I very much respect, once told
me it was like you get to be a human being,
Like it's okay for your kids to see you're not perfect,
Like it's not very Actually.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's necessary actually, like yes, as long as you're like
reconnecting and repairing after the thing that has happened, Like
that's actually the most important moment.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
That's what I'm saying. Like though, that's the part that
my mom would like.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think most of our parents, Yeah, I don't think
our parents knew, oh you know, to to do that
like connect and repair. Yeah, And then we're all adults
being like having a fucking hard time apologizing for shit
and like you know, or like having I don't I'm
messed up and I don't know how to talk about
it now, Like how do I fix this with my friend?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know? So I think that's like the biggest thing
that we're giving our kids. But like, yeah, man, I
freaking are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I got two wild ass boys. I lose my shit
all the time. They fucking know how to get me
to the brink. Yeah, And I try not to give.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I try.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I have days where I'm really good because I'm also like,
don't take the bait. Don't take the bait like they're
trying to do it like they're trying to get a
reaction out of me.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But sometimes it's also like you have to put your
foot down and be like, oh, you can't stand up,
Like that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
A way, absolutely not. You know what you're doing. I'm
not an idiot. I know what you're doing. You have
to stop. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, you're a great mom. Thanks. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I do feel like I am the greatest mom, the
number one you are.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
You're a great mom. We are all doing great.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We are more better.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
What are we talking about to today, Melissa. It's totally unrelated.
It's totally unrelated.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh, we're talking about packing, getting more better at packing.
And I'm excited because I feel like you are so
good at packing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I have a lot of thought better.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
But I know and I'm That's why I'm excited. Please
please tell how you became such a good packer, because
you really are such a good packer.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
When you went to Europe? Was that the past summer.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Last year to Italy? Maybe it was last year, Yeah,
it was Italy trip. I remember texting or calling with
you while you were packing, and you were showing you
pictures of what you were packing, and it was so
thoughtfully laid out. I was like, God, damn it, I
need to learn how to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, so to start, I would say, like I
don't consider myself like a good packer.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I will say that I enjoy the process of.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Like I don't enjoy the leaving it to last minute
and being like fuck, because like it's actually quite a
big job to condense your wardrobe down to like don't
underestimate it, right, Like it is quite a big deal
to condense your wardrobe down to like a trip of
like yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
What you need, what you'll use, and.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
We can discuss, you know, the benefits. And like I
hate checking bags. Sometimes I have to do it, but
I really loathe doing it because it just makes me
like nervous. It's like all fee into my anxious energy
of I don't want to I don't want to lose
the stuff that I am traveling with, especially if it's
(12:07):
like for press or something like that, where like I
have to show up and look, you know, represent like I.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Represent the show you that because like especially for work
stuff or like whenever you have to bring like a
lot of makeup or hair products, like like how you
have to check a bag, Well you.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Do, and you don't like I always want so okay,
so okay, I think for work stuff. Okay, this is
such a big thought. But okay, let me give you
this this example of like I used to be an overpacker.
I would be like I need this, and I need
this and I need this, and I would just like
(12:48):
start throwing stuff in the suitcase and and like making
up outfits in my mind and being like, oh, that'll
look good, that'll look good, right, and then you're traveling
with this ginormous suitcase. The first time I realized that
this was a huge mistake was a trip that I
took to Paris and luckily there was an elevator, but
like getting the giant suitcase like out of the out
(13:12):
of the airport into the train. I think I took
the train to the airbnb that I was staying at,
getting it up into the airbnb, getting it down. Then
I took one of those like uh train, those fast
trains to London or maybe it was vice versa nightmare
(13:32):
nightmare struggling with this giant bag, like lifting it up
onto the nightmare, total nightmare.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was like, something has to something has to change, right, So.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
To me, the perfect trip packing is a small carry
on suitcase and a small not too heavy personal item, right,
and I usually go for like a tote. I know
people like backpacks, but like you, I can never. I
can never ruin the line of my jacket or coat.
(14:05):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. I like having everything. So like,
let's say I'm going on a work trip, right, like,
and I know I have to do press. I pack
the press outfit in the carry on because that way
I know I have it. Because that's the most stressful
situation that I'm going to be in, and I know
(14:27):
that I have it on me. I take all the
jewelry and put it in my personal item. I've got
everything with me. I'm not checking a bag and then
going and then arriving in New York and being like fuck,
I have to like shop for an outfit tonight because
my bag didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's a night, oh god night, man's yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
A hell escape, right, But what I do know is
that I'm probably gonna get hair and makeup done, so
like I don't need to bring any of that stuff.
Like how much makeup do I wear on a regular
basis not very much, So like I pair that way
way down. I caan't all my stuff into travel containers.
Like or if I'm lucky enough to stay at a
nice hotel, I don't even bring like shampoo and conditioner
(15:07):
because I know that they'll have it at the hotel.
There's like these little things that I have picked up.
I have a tiny straightener. It's like this big instead
of like a giant string. I definitely wear my biggest
pair of shoes. So like that trip that we took
to Austin that time, I wore my cowboy boots on
the plane because I knew I was gonna want to
wear them while I was there, so I wore them
(15:28):
on the plane so that I didn't have all that
space taken up in my bag. Also, the plane outfit
is a whole nother thing, right, So we talk about
outfits in the moment.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But I feel like I use packing cubes.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I do, but I don't swear by them. I think
they're useful, But to me, I don't feel like you
have to buy things to be a good packer. Like
the internet will tell you like you need these ten
things or whatever. There was an article in here like
that's like travel and Leisure. I'm a professional packer. These
are twelve genius hats for making your carry on bag lighter.
(16:05):
It's like, yeah, if you have extra money to spend,
you could do that, but like sometimes people don't write,
Like I buy a set of packing cubes and like
sometimes I use them, but I don't always use all
of them.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, I got the kind that have like the second zipper,
so it can like compress.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But do you compress your shit? Yeah? No, I don't
do it.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Why, Like I've tried, but it's like, well, that's the
whole point of the packing cube is like you put
stuff in it and then it's tidy, So like why
would I like then try to compress it down and like.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Because then it gives you like a little more space.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Not really though, like it's incremental like increment, Like what
are you going to fit in like that space?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like a pair of socks and underwear?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean no, I feel like I fit like like
a jacket, like a like a couple of jackets over
my packing cubes because they were like pressed down and
like it gave me space on top to like lay
a few more things.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Why are you traveling with so many jackets? Where are
you going? Listen? I have anxiety? Okay, this is the problem.
Here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Your anxiety is the problem. My anxiety is the problem.
I think I've become slightly and well here's what I'm
inconsistent with my overpacking or underpacking. I do both, Like
my anxiety causes me to do both. Like I will
overpack for a trip and then be like, great, there
was literally six shirts that I didn't was that I
did not need to bring. And then the next trip
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I'll underpack and be like, I'm fucking cold. Why didn't
I break?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Why didn't I bring? Or like a jacket? Like what's
wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
More? Better?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
More better?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah? Tell me your approach to outfits when you pack?
What first of all? Start with? Like what you're gonna
do while you're there?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I always write down a list, and now I do
it in my notes app, but like I write down
a list of like okay, so like literally I'm going
to use this trip that is coming up to give
you an example of this greatest Paris. We're going to
Paris for Lady Gaga because I'm insane and I love
her so much. Oh my god, Now everyone's going to
know where I'm am. But it's okay, Am I gonna
(18:15):
tell you where I'm staying. So we depart the evening.
We're flying overnight because Paris is a look flight away
from La First we're taking a day trip out to
Cole Maar and I believe Strausburg. Then Saturday we have
free and then Monday we return. So like what am
I doing on each of those days? And like what
(18:37):
I wrote down is like I want to go to
the Christmas market at the Tuileries Garden and have a
drink at a cocktail bar. Then the next day I
want to go and think I said, I want to
go do like some shopping and wandering, and then we
have the Gaga show that night. So like, already I'm
like narrowing down what I'm doing each day, right, So
(18:57):
then then once you start narrowing down where you're going
to be, it's like, well, then what shoes.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Are appropriate for these things? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:04):
What outfits are appropriate for these things? Like, well, I
want to dress up for Gaga?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (19:09):
So you want to dress up for Gaga. You don't
want to wear your white sneakers for Gaga, right, your
little white brook sneakers. You don't want to wear your
book sneakers for Gaga?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
So then you don't need to bring the brook sneakers. Actually, oh,
but what if I want to work out? Oh, you've
never worked out barefoot, You've never done yoga, you've never
done like pilates in your room. Like what's your problem?
Like why you need to bring the fair sneakers? Well,
what if it rains? Like what if you're walking around
the city, then wear your solomons, Like your solomons are waterproof,
but your solomons aren't cute with every outfit? Too bad
(19:41):
about it? Like, what do you want to do? You
want to bring a pair of boots? Okay, then bring
a pair of boots. But like, if you're gonna bring
a pair of boots, you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Wear those boots on the plane.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
You also have to wear those boots to Gaga, and
you're gonna have to wear those.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Boots to cole Maar. So, like, which pair of boots
are you bringing?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Are they waterproof? Like really waterproof? Or would you rather
just bring your solomons and like build outfits around yourself
so you kind of start with the shoes. I try
to start with the shoes because they take up so
much space. And then also if you're traveling somewhere cold.
I want to also start with the jacket because like,
and now here's here's where it's going to get tricky
for Paris, because what I want to do is bring
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my leather cool black trench coat that's like vintage that
I bought the last time I'm there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was there. Oh, but I can't pack that trench coat.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
So I could pack it in a checked bag, but
then I'm risking losing it. Yeah, I could wear it
on the plane, or I could pack it in my
carry on. If I pack it in my carry on,
it's going to be too crowded in there. So I
could wear it on a plane. No, that's stupid, right,
You never want to pack a jacket.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
In your like a big jacket.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That's a terrible idea, right, So then I have to
wear it on the plane or pack it in the
checked pluggage. But if I wear it on the plane,
that means that that's probably my only jacket that I'm bringing,
unless I pack one in the unless I check one
as well.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So it's like then it gets tricky.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It's like, because you want to wear your heaviest jacket
onto the plane if you want to.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like and you want a layer for the plane.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Also, like you want to wear like cute totally, I
never wear I'm not a fan of I get.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Hot and cold on every plane.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Also, like, if you're gonna wear sweatpants on the plane,
like cool, but they need to be sweatpants either that
you're going to sleep in for the rest of your
trip or that you are comfortable wearing out, Like you
need to style those sweatpants to the nines because why
are you wearing pants?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, wait, wait, here's my here's my problem. Though.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
If I'm wearing sweats on the plane and it's a
long ass plane flight like that, I feel like, are
you getting them laundered like when you arrive you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Okay, Okay, that's great, that's gross.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Like anything you wear on a plane, I feel like
not wearing again and thus it gets warm.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I mean, I'll wear like jeans again unless it's
like jeans.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, I war my jeans a million times, right, So
like to me, I don't yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
To me, I'll like either wear.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'll either wear like black sweats that are like a
little bit chicer, that have like an interesting shape or something.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'll wear those on the plane.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Because I can wear those like I can like make
them look like an outfit. Or I'll wear hard pants,
hard pants, jeans, pants, whatever that I can wear again
on the trip. Yeah, or for a long haul flight,
I'll wear hard pants, and then I'll just bring like
a tiny pair of leggings in my carry on so
I can just whip them out and change. Yeah, that's
(22:45):
my favorite thing to do because like then you're super comfy.
You sleep in your leggings and then you can change
back into the hardpants when you arrive. If you have to,
like check in your hotel and then go somewhere, that's
a smart Yeah. I love to bring, but they have
to be thin leggings. You don't want a pair of
sweatpants in your.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Carry on, right like that?
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Or no, no, yeah, something you can roll up real tiny, yeah,
tiny tiny. I feel also that I one of the
things that I really enjoy, and this might be part
of why you don't always feel like you've succeeded when
you pack, is that you have to try on outfits.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
You have to give yourself a little time to try
on outfits because the outfits in your head sometimes are
not they not hitting.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
They're not hitting you know what you're so right.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I did that for when we went to New York
and we went for a long weekend, and you're right,
And I actually didn't even realize, but I kind of
did what you were just describing because I knew we
were going to be walking all day. We're doing statch
of Liberty this day, We're going up to Harlem this day,
Like you know, I knew it was going to be hot,
and I did. And my friend came over and I
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did try on outfits and she helped me put together.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And I think I packed one.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Extra outfit that I didn't end up wearing, but it
was like in case we go back to the hotel
and shower and then like go to dinner, so I
had a spare outfit in there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But yeah, I wore all my outfits and they all.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Like worked like little skirts with sneakers, and it looked
cute and it was way less. It was the first
time I did that for a trip because it was
a short trip and we were going to do all
carry ons. We're going to do a carry on for
the kids, carry on for me, carry on for David,
and because usually we do like the one big checked
bag for everybody, like when we go to Florida in
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the summer to see family and stuff. It's just easier
to have just like one big bag with us. Although
actually no, I take that back. This past summer we
did the three carry ons again because the boys need
a lot less stuff now because they're bigger, they don't
need as many extra outfits or like, you know, they're
not like throwing up at random or pooping their pants
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or spilling shit on themselves as much. I still will
like throw an extra T shirt in a in like
a like a tope bat or like or one of
their backpacks.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, just in case, Like, especially for the little one.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
You know, God forbid, he spills water on his shirt
and you're in a fucking you know, saga of your trip.
It's wet shirt. It's wet, it'll dry, but it's so wet,
like and then you just you know, the path of
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least resistance is to change their shirts so that everyone
on a plane hear them. Yeah, have a meltdown about being.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Wet the one time. So I have this rule.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
When ros was little, I was like, we always need
to pack her an extra outfit in her when she
was a baby in her Oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Like yeah, before the age of four, you have to
have an extra outfit, at least one or two.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
But also you need an extra outfit for the parent
for yourself. Yeah, because and like that is that super
thin leggings and an extra sweatshirt or an extra T
shirt or a long sleeve shirt something. And Brad resisted
it so much because he was like, I'm mister lightpacker.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
This motherfucker we went to we were.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
In London, we went to sketch and it was like,
you know, I think this goes along with packing, because
it's like when you have a baby, you're packing for
the day, You're like leaving your house and you've got
the diaper bag.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
She had a blowout in the middle of this beautiful
tea room. He took her to the bathroom. She he
he was like, he was freaking out, and I had shoved,
against his wishes, shoved an extra outfit in there, and
thank god I did. And then another time on a flight,
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it was because he got shit on him. He got
baby shit on him. Well not that time, but she
peed all over him in the middle of a flight. Uh,
And he didn't have an extra outfit, and I was like, oh,
that's a shame.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like, I mean, I didn't mean if one. I wasn't
like trying to.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Be snuff smug about it, but.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But like how could you not?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You were like it was I was also like, it's
just like just throw another T shirt in there, like
just throw another pair of pants in their bud like
you gotta yep please.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah no, yeah, you never know. Kids are a different story.
Though it's a different Kids are a different story.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
If you're traveling by yourself, you have a lot more freedom,
right like if you're traveling for this is what I'm saying.
Little like I think trying on stuff is so helpful.
Having a color palette is really helpful too, Like oh
so that everything well, like so you can mix and
match a little bit, like yeah, do you do like
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more tops and like a few bottoms or yeah, I
try to keep it to Like I mean, I think
that the time because I feel like I remember that
from your Italy trip you were like I've got these
great shorts and then you go great with this topic
and this topic and I'm bringing this skirt and like.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, I was like, ooh, she's so smart.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
I brought too many dresses in Italy because I had
this like fantasy of being like, I'm in Italy and
I'm wearing these beautiful dresses. I could have brought one dress, okay,
because there were a couple of days where it was
colder than I thought it was gonna be. Checking the
weather obviously, is always your best friend.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
More better?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is there anything that you always forget or like things
that you stupid charger.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'd like have the charger down, pat the freaking toilet trees.
I do in the morning before I leave.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I make a little list, but I have to put
a post it on my fucking bag that says get
your charger, because there have been so many times when
I land and I'm like or I'm in the plane
and I'm I'm in the airport and I'm like, oh shit,
my batteries on X amount or whatever, and I'm looking
around in my bag and I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Like, I fucking forgot to pack my charger for me.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's I'm really good about charger.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
For some reason.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Again, I think it's anxiety of like mostly like my
kids iPads like riding out of juice on the plane.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So I'm like, I do not want to deal with that.
Uh So, I bring.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm always have chargers, and I always have portable chargers too,
like at least one or two.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And but for me, it's toothbrush. I can't tell you
how many.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Times I have forgotten my toothbrush, my children's toothbrushes, and.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
The kids.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
One really sucks because when you get a toothbrush from
the front desk, even at Disney, because I forgot them
at No.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
They're booty. They're always booty. They're booty.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
But they're also giving you like minty toothpaste that my
kids are not really like, They're still like there, their
toothpaste is a little bit minty, but it's mostly like fruity,
Like it's fruity flavors, like it's those like kid flavors
and so mint toothpaste to them, they're like a so spicy.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Like every time I'm like, god, I put the tidiest bit. Okay,
So this is it's so strong. This is the post
it is very helpful. The post it on the bag
is very helpful. That's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
It's really it's every time, like I'm going to bed
the night before, I'm like, what are the last couple
of things that I need to remember like my past.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yes, I try to make a morning of list of
like all the last minute things that we have to
grab in the morning. Yeah, that David and I can
both look at. That's always like toothbrushes, chargers like yeah,
your glasses like whatever.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Also like there, So I have a basket underneath my vanity,
like in the bathroom, and the basket is just full
of and it's pretty organized, although I probably need to
go through it. It's full of like travel sizes of
everything you could ever want. There's travel size dental floss.
There's travel sized toothpaste, there's travel size there's a travel
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sized first aid kit.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
There's like everything, lotions, potions, boop it up up.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It's all in there. And so like before I go
on a trip, when I'm packing my toilet tries, a
lot of times I'll just swap out something because it's
usually only like what I'm leaving for five days, maybe
maybe seven. Yeah, the skin stuff is the stuff that
I find the most important. But like toothpaste, Like, I've
got a ton of little travel toothpastes that I could
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use me too. Yeah, totally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Skincare can be tricky depending on the length of the trip.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, and hair care ada I'm going.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, I struggle more the skincare I kind of I'll do.
I'll bring like a simpler version of whatever I do.
And I'll usually bring, uh at least what because I
have really dry skin. And so if I'm going anywhere
cold or like if I or if maybe it's going
to be hot but the air conditioning might be intense,
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I'm definitely bringing like a heavier moisturizer just.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
In case, and a lighter one.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But then I may be like bringing one I'm not bringing,
like too serrup. I'm bringing, you know, the one I
like the most, like an SPI of course.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And pimple patches.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Always, always I always throw a thing of pimple patches
in there.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, they take up no room.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
But hair care is hard because as great as like,
I love the travel section of Alta Beauty, like every
Alta Beauty has a great small travel size of like
so many products. But yeah, but hair is tough because
if I'm going somewhere where I'm gonna like wear my
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hair wavy, I guess I could do like those little bottles.
That's usually what I end up doing, like putting my
favorite products in like a little travel bottle.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, for Christmas, i'mone to ask for a set of
those Cadence Have you seen those?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No, they're little capsules.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
They're I think it's the company is called Cadence, and
they're spillproof.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
They're little.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
They're almost like little jars and you can fill them
up with any kind of product and that way you're
not like sometimes with those shitty travel bottles there's like
wasted product at the bottom because you can't get it out.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, you can't get So these are like jars. So
a lot of them are too big.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Most of them are at big. They're too big. I
need half the size of this.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
It's just for some frickin' hair lotion that I'm to use,
like a tiny bit about you know.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So the Cadence ones are stackable, they're magnetic. And this
is not an AD, not an AD, but if anyone
but if they want to, if they want to send
us free ship, they want to send to Will.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But they look cool as hell and you.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Can just like pump your normal stuff in there and
the label what I do because like that toilet tries
take up a lot of space. And also if you're
carrying on. You can only do three point four ounces
per right, thing right, and so like, yeah, you should.
You should just decant your you have to decant everything.
I'm such a big believer. It's like you have to
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do it. You just bite the bullet into it or
buy the travel sizes because like otherwise you're taking a
valuable space or checking a bag based on like hair care.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Come on, like, you don't need to do that. You
know I have done that. I have done that. You
don't need to do that. Girl, you don't need to
do that.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Again, I don't need to do that. Time is past.
Do you unpack when you get there? Or do you
live out of your seat?
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Us?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Like, how do you you? You unpacked? I do too.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I let yes, I used to do out of my
suitcase and we kind of do that, like, you know,
when we travel to Florida, we're staying with our parents
and there's maybe like one or two empty drawers for
us and like a few hangers. I try to do
my best because it is so much easier to like
close up the suitcase.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
But that's the only place that we like live out
of our suitcase a little bit. It's not my preference.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
But if I'm in a hotel, the first thing I do,
or at Airbnb or anything like that, first thing I
do is completely unpacked. Put a drawer for the kids,
put a drawer for me, you know, hang whatever me too,
And I don't know it just I mean, repacking sucks
a little bit, but we have this, like you know,
what we do for repacking.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
At the end of a trip.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
We'll make like all our dirty like when we went
to New York and we're staying in this hotel room
that was not a bad size actually for New York.
We will usually at the end use one of our
carry ons for all the dirty clothes. Smart so like
all the dirty clothes whatever just literally gets thrown in
in a pile. It's not even fall, you know, and
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whatever shoes maybe shit we bought. It's like one junk
suitcase basically nice.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And then we'll use.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The other suitcase to put whatever clean clothes or whatever
things we bought, you know, like more neatly and uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And that's just some kind of work.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So then when we get home, it's nice because you
just take that one carry on, you just take it
over your washing machine and throw everything in and like
you know, do your laundry.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
As soon as you have them. I did something similar
and it came up with that. I like that.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I like usually it'll be either one of the extra
like one of the packing cubes, or sometimes certain suitcases
will have like a little laundry bag in there, or
if you're staying at a hotel, they'll provide like, oh,
like if you want to get your laundry done at
the hotel, they'll provide like, yeah, we'll use those bags.
Ye'll use that and put all my dirty laundry in there. Yeah,
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because like I don't want that stuff stinking up everything else.
I will say, Yeah. One of my tricks for travel
is like taking stuff. If I'm gonna wash it, it
needs to be like a quick dry kind of thing
like that I can just hang and it's gonna be
dry like probably the next day. Like so a lot
of like T shirts or tank tops that I take
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for like layering stuff, I can just wash them in
the sink and then'net's amazing on.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like you know, wait, yeah, aren't there like these really
cool little like uh, are they like the laundry sheets or.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, there's tiny little soap things that are like paper
there's little packets, little packet bags that you can buy.
I did have one of those explode ones, so I
would say, if you're gonna use a liquid one, put
them in a ziploc bag before you put them in
your suitcase, because one of mine exploded in my toiletry
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case and I was like, what the fuck is this
and then I realized it was my laundry detertion. But
I've done that multiple times, and it's great because like
you just washed like a couple pairs of underwear and
like a couple tank tops or a T shirt in
the sink, and then you hang it to dry and boom,
you have a clean outfit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Again, it's great.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Or like workout clothes, like I don't want to bring
four different sports bras and like four leggings fucking smart,
because workout clothes are always the bait of my existence.
If I am going somewhere and I know there's gonna
be a good gym or whatever, and I want to
like work out.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But then you're like annoyed that these.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Like workout clothes are taking up so much space in
my fucking bag.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So my trick for that is two pairs of leggings.
Two sports bras.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
If I'm gonna wear a shirt over it, it needs
to be a shirt that can double with something else.
Like normally I would never do that, but I'm on
a trip, so it's like a special rule. Like I
can wear this T shirt down to the gym and
like maybe take it off before I get too sweaty. Okay,
socks need to be I have to be able to
wear them somewhere else like these. This pair of socks
cannot just be like a workout sock, Like it has
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to be a workout sock and I can also wear
to like some other thing. Everything has to do double duty,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
And the same with the sneakers, Like if you are
going to be like in a hotel gym.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, like I'm working out of my Solomon.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Barefoot, but sometimes I don't want to always be barefoot.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
And I'm going to work out of my solemn. I
worked out on my Solomon's, I worked out in my Converse. Okay,
I would never work out in a regular like a
hotel gin barefoot, but I would. I have asked, like, oh,
can I have a matt and some dumbbells in my room?
And like more often than that, they'll bring them to
you like, oh, sometimes they won't.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Like and I've never even thought to do that.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I definitely stayed places where they're like, oh no, we
can't do that, which sucks, but like it doesn't hurt
to ask, you know, it just doesn't hurt. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I've also stayed in places where I have asked them
to like empty out the minifridge because I'm like, that's
it's too tempting for me, can you please empty it out?
Speaker 2 (39:52):
And sometimes they will.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Sometimes I've done that, especially with kids, I've asked them
to like empty out the mini fridge so that I
can just like stuff that my kids actually will eat
or I will eat like in.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
There and not twelve dollars M and ms. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
My kids don't need to like be looking at candy
like every day like this.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Now we're will in there. We're gonna put some apples
in there. Happens the apples and cheez.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I will say the best, the best piece of packing
advice I've ever gotten is that for a trip overseas
or like a trip that you're taking where you know
you're probably gonna do some souvenir shopping or you want
to want to bring stuff back, like we're going to this,
We're going to Sicaga, right, But I also I'm so
excited to see these Christmas markets in Europe and like Paris.
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I'm just so looking forward to it. And I know
I'm gonna want to bring like some artists and stuff
back for friends and family. And so what I am
going to do is I'm going to check a bag,
but it's mostly gonna be empty, like it might have
maybe if I bring a second jacket, it might have
a second jack get in there and like, okay, you
know some stuff that I'm not going to miss right
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away if the bag gets lost.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
I also do put tracking devices in my bags now,
like I put Apple.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The little I can't remember they're called.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Keeps saying yeah the air tags weak air tag, that
we're going to do that, and we haven't done.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
It yet, but yes, it's awesome, it's awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Also pro tip, if you have a toddler or small child,
you could stick an air tag on their little outfit
when you take them to Disneyland and they're never gonna past.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Or they have those little like cute watches that they
for kids that held a little air tag.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I put them in my bag, my chuck bag.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, I usually use my kids carry on is usually
has extra space.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
And if we're going somewhere where I think we're gonna
buy stuff, I try to make their bag like even
lighter yeacause kids I find like they will I could
read like I could do a lot less bottoms for them,
especially if we're going if we're going in to anywhere
hot where they're probably going to be in a bathing
suit all the time.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'm packing like two or three shorts for that. Yeah,
for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
The thing that they are going to consistently mess up
is their shirt. That's the thing that they're going to
spill shit on. That's the shit that Unfortunately, if you're
going somewhere for a week, you need to pack them
like ten shirts. Like it's just inevitable. They will spill
some fucking shit on their shirts.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
But you don't do when you're when you're in Florida,
you can do laundry though, like right, like can't you
Oh yeah, yeah for Florida, I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeahh in Florida where we have laundry, No, I pack
them maybe, like so I don't have to do laundry
like every three or four day, I'll pack it right
for four or five shirts for them and maybe like
two shorts because they are in their pajamas or their
bathing suits.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, and Zo's at the age where he'll like do
an outfit change, which I'm like, bro, we're traveling, like,
you can't be doing an outfit change every day, Sonny,
you have run out of clean like yeah, like he'll
hearing over learn how to do laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
That's ty, Yeah, that's you're right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Actually, that's totally okay. If you want to do do
your outpha change, you can do that. If now you
have you have to do laundry, yeah, to do that
outfit so you're.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Right, or you could keep that outfit on.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
I can't wait to see the look on the oella's
faces when I send my nine year old boy to
do his own laundry.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That would be really fun. Oh my god, are ridiculous?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Really quick before we go, there is like this packing
method that I think like TikTok and Reddit introduced or
you know, I don't know who came up with it,
but it's like the five three two one method, and
I think it's interesting. Okay, Essentially you pack five bottoms,
four tops, three pairs of shoes, two dresses, jumpsuits or layers,
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and one accessory. I don't know, I think this is
a good jumping off point, and like, if you really
struggle with like putting together outfits, maybe this is for you.
I do think the power of accessories can change an outfit,
like immediately, Like I could wear you know, I could
wear my cool I have these black sweatpants that are
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like they have this like cool weird bottom that's like
a bunky shape. So like I could wear those to
a nice dinner if I layer them with like a
black tank top, a black blazer, high heels, black white heels,
and then like a cool gold necklace of big earrings,
like perfect for dinner. And then if I just switch
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the shoes to the solomons, put on some socks and
maybe layer you know, I've got this like big black
scarf that I use for travel, or like a little
bandana or something totally different outfit hat totally different outfit,
you know what I mean. Like, yeah, like it's very
easy to do make different outfits if you pack accessories.
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So like I I'm like, I wear a hat on
the plane so that I can have a hat when
I'm traveling. I have like a like I said, I
think like it's a J Crew. I think my bound
sale right now. J Crew and Gap do really nice
like big they we used to call them paj minas,
but they're basically big like scarf cape that you can
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use as a blanket on the plane, but then you
can also use a scarf when you get to your location.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
M god, so many hot tips.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Also, because you kept saying Solomon's I wanted to look
up Solomons the bus.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
I don't know. Are you talking about the slip ons
and clogs? No, I'm talking about s A L O
M O N.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
And I'm talking about like the hiking shoes, like the
tennis shoes, the hiking shoes. So I'll send you a link.
I'll send you a link because there's a ton of
great ones right now. They just did a collab with like, Okay, they're.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Kind of like booty kind of sneakers. Yeah, some of
them are high tops and then some of them are icy.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I would never the high tops are not for me.
The high tops are for serious hikers. For me, it's
like the fashion y like sneaker shoe. If you're interested,
don't know a chunky sneaker. Yeah, it's like a chunky,
cool sneaker, but it's not like, yeah, goofy looking like
it doesn't well, some of them are kind of goofy,
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but some of them are very cool and like they
just kind of make your outfit look like you're not trying,
but they're comfy walk in.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, Okay, more better, Okay. What was your big takeaway today? Oh?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
My god, so many hot tips about wear your biggest
shoes on the plane. Paj the recent pashmino one that
doubles as a scarf was great. Yeah, you have to
put on your outfits before you pack.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You have to give yourself time.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm gonna redo all of my little travel containers for
my skincare and hair care.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, so you had so many good hot tips. This
was great.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I definitely feel more better about packing. What are your takeaways?
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I need to get cracking.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
I'm packing for a trip that I'm taking to New
York in two days. I'm going to New York in
like two days, and I need to pack because I
have multiple events that I have to go to, but
also I'm spending time with a friend, so there's a
lot of stuff and I don't want to check a bag.
And then I also need to start thinking about Paris,
which is like in a month, but I'd rather get
(47:56):
it in my head now what I'm gonna want to
take and not so that I can make sure everything's
like ready to go so I'm not stressed out two
days before I'm.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Like losing my mind.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Because that's another thing. This, let me tell you, this
is a lot of trial and error. Like I have
had times where I wait until the last second and
I'm like crying in my closet because I'm having to
try everything on and I'm so stressed out.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, so this is like Ali. I love to pack
like two days before a trip, two or three days
before a trip. I like that day before to be
just left for like random things that I remember that
I maybe want to take. Sometimes I can be dangerous though,
because sometimes I can overpack on the day before because
I'm thinking of to.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
You, I'm like, oh but what about this? What about this?
What about that? Huh? But yeah, I like to do
it a couple days before. I feel a little more
better about packing? Do you.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I feel a lot more better about packing, but I
don't have to do it today like you do.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So that's real. That's real, that's real. Okay, all right,
this was a fun one. Yeah, this was fun. I
hope that we were helpful in some way. Okay, see
you next time. All right, Bye, bye guys, Bye, More
and More Better.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
Do you have something you'd like to be more better
at that you want us to talk about in a
future episode?
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried
one of our tips and tricks?
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at Morebetter pod at
gmail dot com and.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Include a voice note if you want to be featured.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
On the pod. Ooh, More Better with Stephanie Melissa is
a production from Wvsound and iHeartMedia's Mikultura podcast network, hosted
by me, Stephanie Beatriz, and Melissa Fumero.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
More Better is produced by Isis Madrid and Sophie Spencer Zabos.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Fumero, along
with Wilmar Valderrama and Leo Klem at w V Sound
and Isis Madrid.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
This episode was edited by Isis Madrid and engineered by
Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison Davenport and
Heylo boy Our. Cover art is by Vincent Remis and
photography by David Avalos. For more podcasts from iHeart, visit
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