October 23, 2025 • 55 mins
How would your proudest relative describe you? Is that the same way you describe yourself? What is the story that you're telling yourself… and the world? On today’s episode Stephanie and Melissa welcome their dear friend, the multitalented Gloria Calderón Kellett to discuss storytelling with authenticity. The ladies share about moments in their lives in which they showed up authentically as themselves, their work as creatives and all of the surprising ways that those two things intersect. Plus — are heels and thongs tools of the patriarchy? Or tools for cutie outfits and against swampiness? Talk amongst yourselves…
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We were in the car, my son says, you know, mom,
not every car ride has to be a touch talk.
Oh my god, it's really funny.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Fair fair enough, fair enough, Let's listen to some tunes
and single singing songs. Let's just be in the car.
Fair Man, fair fair let a burn. Damn it is
so good. Oh listen, that's I love it so when
when my kids burn me. I love it so much
because it's like the ultimate mirror.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
More more Better.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
At more Better.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Welcome to more Better, a podcast where we stop pretending
to have it all together.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And embrace the journey of trying becoming more better every day.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are we doing it?
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Is?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Did I do it?
Speaker 7 (01:00):
That was?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That was good for today? Steph?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's also Fumaro.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
That's Stephanie Beatrice. And here we are.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We're off to a great star.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Guys, Uh, Melissa is a little under the weather today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think it's okay to say.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I mean this episode might be slightly unhinged, so we
should give a disclaimer at the beginning that I am,
you know on a day quill.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're welcome, listeners, You're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Enjoy the ride. What have you done lately? That's a
little more better ste.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know what? I found a container of those little
sticky eye patches in my drawer and I was like,
I'm not even gonna check the exploration today, I'm just
gonna open it. They were still a little juicy, slapped
some on fuck you. I considered that some of my
self care today. Yes, easiest self care to squeeze into
a day.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Eye patches.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What have you done?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Since I am a c K, it's like the low
grade achy sometimes chills kind of sick.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's such kind awful.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm actively trying to do more better right now because
initially when I went down last night, Remember how the
last few episodes, I've been like, I've been so productive.
I've been NonStop, I've been getting shit done. And so
the last night I was like, oh no, girl, you
did too much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Like, no, bitch, youre the reason I clean out my closet.
Oh no, are you telling me I'm gonna get sick? No, no, no,
let me finish, Let me finish. Okay, okay, okay. So
I was like, you've been doing too much. You gotta
slow down.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You ran yourself ragged and now you're sick and you
got all this shit to do this weekend and blah
blah blah. And then I was like, why am I
fucking blaming myself? Also, I've been doing like a lot
of good stuff for myself. I've been working out, I've
been eating good, like, I've been getting sleep. So I
was like, maybe I just got fucking sick. Maybe I
just was like around someone, or like I went to
(02:50):
a dinner Wednesday night and maybe somebody in the restaurant
was fucking sick. Maybe you just get fucking sick sometimes
and it's not your fault and you don't have to like.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You didn't blame yourself. That's good.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, So I'm trying to like be more better today
in this moment that like, sometimes you just get fucking
sick and it's not my fault and it just happens.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, it's true, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's not it's not I absolve you of it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Thank you, more better.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I'm excited about today's episode.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Today's episode, we have guests.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's our friend cultural icon Gloria Caleron Kelly, writer, showrunner, director, actor, producer,
hilarious person, great mom, cool human.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We love you so much. Thanks for being here, Gloria.
I'm gonna listen to that every day that that might
be my new rington. Justations we do that when we
wake up, we should look in the mirror and be like,
listen the things. Yeah, yeah, we are powerful. We do
(04:03):
a lot. We do a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Everyone all you guys just like waking up and surviving
and living every day as well.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh my god, it is everybody's really true. It's I mean,
by the way, we made it through another week. Like
every week I'm a little bit like, oh my god,
we did it? Really did it? Weird? Did it? Did it?
You did it?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Last few birthdays have definitely felt like, oh I survived
another year, did it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Hi, guys, what we're talking to you about today is
not necessarily all of those things. It's more about it's
kind of distilling down what I think one of your
greatest talents, which is storytelling and doing so with authenticity
and so like, because you're storyteller and because you are
(04:51):
communicating these authentic stories, we thought it would be good
to sort of have you talk about like how do
you get to the place of like inviting more authenticity
into your life? Because you know, not everybody listens to
the show is necessarily involved in like the arts, the thoughts,
But like, how do you live life authentically?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
How do you have self awareness?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How do you have the ability to sort of like
evaluate your strengths and your weaknesses and act in ways
that are like consistent with your values as a person
and allow for openness and honesty and your relationships with
other people, and like how do you do that? The
first thing I want to kind of ask you is like,
what has been your experience with storytelling with authenticity?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, ladies, Oh, she put on her podcast voice right there, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Ladies, as a receptionist into four dealerships for many years,
so I really I played with voices every time I answered,
I would answer with that It's really good training for actors,
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Is to be a.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
How can I help them? So, especially exactly how can
I direct your call? I think that one of the things,
and this is really for non non artistes types. I
was having difficulty with a coworker once, and I was
talking to a friend about it and we were unpacking
what it is that bothers me so much about this coworker.
(06:21):
This was now fifteen years ago. And ultimately it was
because the things that I was feeling were things that
I thought were untruths about myself that this person felt
about me, right, And so it's like, why does this person,
especially if you're like a people pleaser or somebody like
I'm somebody that's used to being liked, so it like
(06:43):
hits me weird when somebody doesn't like me. And I'm
still like, you know, a kid on a playground that's like,
I don't I know that like most people like me,
but like, why isn't he like me? You know? And
it's and and they said something to me that I
have walked with every day of my life from that
moment forward. Why are you believing his story about you?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Bitch?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I was like, whoa? And that really is the truth.
In everything we do, we are telling people the story
of who we are and how we act, in how
we parent and how we talk about our kids when
we're out in the world, and how we talk about
our families and how we talk about our spouses, and
how we are constantly telling our stories to people, and
(07:30):
what are the stories that other people are telling about
us to our face or not? And how do we
go about taking ownership and control over our own narrative,
and that really flipped something because it was true. I
was I was bothered because I was like, but that's
not true. But it was making me feel like my
(07:52):
stuff wasn't true about myself, and it was letting me
be less than because I was starting to believe like,
oh my god, maybe I'm not great or maybe I'm
not mean. He's right, and that I think is one
of like the biggest turning points for me to also
get to this path because now that I'm fifty, fifty
years old, yeah fifty, but now that I'm fifty, the
(08:15):
thing that life and perspective does really give you that like,
all I want is to try to figure out how
to tell young people this in a way that's not patronizing.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Totally like the sooner we like I do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Give so much less of a fuck now I do,
and I'm so glad I do, but like I'm so mad.
It took me this long, Yeah mad, It took me
this long to not care that to really sit and go, oh,
all those people that were like so mean and sad
fifteen twenty years ago are are mean and sad now,
Like it didn't work like why was I allowing myself
(08:48):
to be sensitive to whatever they thought? Because I thought
that they knew something I didn't know. And none of
us know anything, right, Like we're all walking around trying
to we don't know. We don't know what this is,
we don't know what we're doing. We're all every day
is an improv game called life where you yes and
and you sometimes I mean it is we are doing
(09:10):
our best walking through this world. And yeah, I think
that like the sooner I was able to go, oh,
what's my story and how do I live every day
to be in purpose of what I want to be
saying about myself as a person. And when I'm in
spaces where I'm like, oh, I don't like how I
don't like how I'm behaving, maybe I'm not supposed to
(09:30):
be in that space. Yeah, maybe it means I'm not
supposed to be around those people.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
And that's okay, Like that being a tell for you
if you're acting not yourself, like.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I'm acting weird or I'm doing why am I being weird?
Like why I was that felt odd? Like really listening
to those to those voices. So I think like the
first thing about authenticity is like really being clear about
who am I and what is my story and it
might be different in an hour, it might be different tomorrow,
and allowing for the grace of like of that too.
(10:01):
And I think especially as we age and I'm in
this Sandwich generation now where what I'm talking about and
exploring a lot in my work is what it is
to raise children and see parents start to exit and
that balance of like life and new and first and
(10:23):
last and final, right, I think that it was like
the moment I really sat with myself because I really
think a lot about as I'm watching my mom age.
My mom came up in the eighties where they were
(10:44):
told the live you can have it all right. So
she was a working mom and I feel so much
because I think that they were smile on their face,
suits and heels, going to work all day, then coming
to every recite, idle and everything I had and still
making my lunches and still looking beautiful and still being
skinny and still doing full face of makeup. And to
(11:09):
see now what that stress I think did to her body. Yeah,
and you know, is really humbling to see that, like,
oh man, does she And and to also be like,
what's your favorite movie? Or favorite color or favorite song,
and she probably wouldn't have an answer.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Oh yeah, Gloria.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know, and how do we not model that for
our kids?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Because she was just doing everything for everybody else and
not thinking about herself at all.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, man, the like, I yeah, I think that those
women that paved this path had to kind of do
all of it and still be like feminine and still
be like, you know, like And I have to remind
her of this when I show up, because you know,
I'm a writer, so most of the time I look
like a garbage person and she's like, I, Glorita, tell
(11:55):
me about that's so offended, right, uncle, No, but I
do so a little blood, a little rude baby, something.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
A little lipstick, something anything.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Listen, I'm not no patriarchy. Uh huh, yeah, listen. I
think thongs and heels were created by the patriarchy. Were
so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I do like a thong.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It keeps keeps her eye off the ball. I won't
say I do.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Like a thunge. I don't feel it. It don't It's like.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm not wearing like maybe I just got too big
of a booty. All right.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I like a thong too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't you do too. That's because y'all are skinny. No,
I got I got some dump.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I always size up in my thong.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I will say that I always size up because I
need to.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Be like, yes, like there's nothing on my body, Like
it's barely touching me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's just a.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Barrier between me and my jeans.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I like a spank. I like like I like a
I like a you know, like a like a nylon
or a whole thing, but like something it is. I'm
gonna get gross for a second. I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I don't like boot sweat, and I got it. I
got some dump in my trunk.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And so you know, the thong also serves a purpose
of just are you guys.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Saying that I don't have a boot.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
It's catching any set capture, it's capturing drips. It's capturing
drips that either.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This ends with people wanting to buy those. Yeah, this
is a side business. I'm just saying times we're getting tough, guys,
so we all got to do what we can do.
My eBay shop is open.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's called authentically no respectfully no, authentically no.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I do like thongs and I like heels, but I
also had the mom that put the lipstick on before
going to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I only like them in a little cutie outfit.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh my god, not me. Give me a comfortable shoe.
Give me a full bottom cover and a comfortable shoe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Just put me in one sack and slap some like
Sam goes on my feet.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, hokahs.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't like how they feel.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Really.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh god, yeah, I don't like a hookah.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Whatever makes you comfortable. You know, feminism is allowing for everything.
You wear your thongb girl, girl, and you wear your clues.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
True feminism is allowing for everything.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's allowing for everything. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't know you do you?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean that's another episode, but I feel a hot take.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I mean, okay, So something I think I wanted to
ask you was like when do you think that you
So you were talking earlier about this, like kind of
realization of like why are you believing this other person's
story about you? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like when was that for you?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Like when?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Because you were storytelling before that?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Obviously you were in like I was.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
A storytelling before that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, but when how long into like that process? Like
where were you age wise? I guess for like listeners it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Was like fifteen years ago thirty five. Thirty five was
a big, big switch up for me. Yeah. Yeah, thirty
five was a big switch up where like I'd had
success and like things were going pretty well, but I
was still in you know, I was still in a
lot of rooms with like Ivy League men, you know,
men of like a privileged background, and not a lot
of people that not a lot of women, and not
(15:19):
a lot of people look like me. So there has
been like some incredible strides that's certainly shifted and changed,
but also going a bit backwards now to kind of
what it was. Yeah, so that's kind of what I
want to empower women with. I mean, I think right
now too, there's so much good conversation happening between women.
I think for a lot of a long time, certainly
(15:40):
I think of my mother's generation, I don't know that
they had a lot of peer support because a lot
of times they were the only ones, or there were
so few of them, and they'd pit them against each
other and whatnot. I don't feel like that's the case anymore.
I think we all understand that what's me is for me,
and what's used for you, and let's support each other
and love each other and rising you know, tides lift
ships and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it
(16:03):
was about it was about fifteen years ago, and then
it was before then. I think I was doing all right.
I was doing okay, but it was you know, I
was in a lot of spaces where it was an
organizational culture that I wasn't used to or didn't understand
or didn't grow up with, you know, still a very
male dominated thing where I felt like I had approved
(16:23):
myself or where I where I mean, in those times too,
you were told flat out you know this, this is
a room of men, can you hang? And I've been
fortunate that I've been friends with men forever. I was
just always that girl, And so for the most part,
I'm not very easily offended. I'm not super sensitive. But
(16:45):
it is a strange thing to basically in an interview
be asked like, are you able to put a waste
part of your humanity to be in this job? You know,
right as opposed to now, where if I was in
a where once the shift happened, you you feel strong
enough in your power to be like, uh, stopping, gross, Yeah,
(17:06):
let's move on, right, But like when you're young, and
you're so happy to just be in spaces and you
don't want to be escorted out. You think you have
to put up with those things, and sometimes you might, right,
Like I think had I not, I don't know that
I would have been in those spaces early on. I
think they would have wanted me out because because that
was the nature of and that's for.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Many jobs, because they wanted to keep being.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Gross, right, right, and they didn't want to feel bad
for yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So part of it is like ooh, I don't want
to be called.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Out by yeah, don't tell. Don't tell our wives on us,
you know, yeah. Yeah, And so I think there's but
I think there's a shift. And I what I've definitely
seen which has been really comforting is how many men
are so grateful when women are in charge. How many
men are like, oh my god, it's so nice here. Yeah, oh,
like you guys are like nice and supportive and like
(17:55):
we still joke and we still talk about stuff, but
we're still gross like of course, you know, course, but
there's a way to do it with sort of a
little kindness.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I don't know, Yes, no, I'm more more humanity, more humanity,
I think that's way is just like a little bit
more self awareness, awareness of who's in the room, more humanity.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Yeah, I think, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think more than more than anything, I want to
empower people because I feel like the real shift when
that happened to me and I was just I just
decided to be in spaces where I was going to
say what I thought, whether people liked it or not.
There is something really powerful about like stopp being gross,
right Like, there's something really powerful about saying how you
(18:48):
feel about something. And yeah, it's going to ruffle some
people's feathers, but then those aren't your people, right, Like,
the more the more we can say this is how
I feel about this thing. And I'm and I'm what
I worry about with this next generation because what I'm
seeing as I'm meeting younger people is so much is
done through devices, emails, and various forms of social media
(19:12):
that when that a face to face conversation feels confronting,
regardless of the subject matter.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it's not fascinating.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I was talking to a friend yesterday who was she
was under the impression that another friend of hers had
this sort of same value system that she did, and
they were kind of like arguing back and forth over
voice notes, and I was like, you need to sit
down with her and have coffee, and like she was like,
but I want to win.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I want to win. And I was like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I get that you want to win this conversation, but
like you probably need to sit down with her and
like talk to her and see if she's actually like
you said, like is she your people or is she not?
Because like you're not really going to find that out
over trading voice notes, like you're going to find but
it is like it's also confronting.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But also define win, you know what I mean? Like
what are we winning when we're just I mean, what
are we winning?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like I think that this look we're we're all married ladies.
Sorry everyone else, sorry people, But like so much of
like I think marriage is.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You want to win.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
No stuff, no stuff. No it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's really not. It is peace.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's like, uh, what is it?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
A quick forgiveness and a lot of laughter. Peace it's peace? Yeah,
Like that means you know what, all right, let's just
move on. Just this is enough. It's this person.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Sometimes you're around that moment where you're like about to
explain something to them, and you're like, you know what
I'm it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Brad gets so overwhelmed. He's like, no, tell me, and
I'm like, by the time I finish explain meaning this
thing to you, I would have had that and like
fifteen other things done.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't want to let me. Let me tell you
something confronting that happened between my husband and I. Am
I going off topic? Do you want me to do
all the time?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Here?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So I was. It was, of course, like some Instagram
prompt and it was like it said, like, do you
feel like you can say anything to your spouse at
any moment? And I was like, yes, absolutely absolutely, I'm
so free in this relationship. I was like, honey, I
feel look at this. Do you believe there's some people
that feel He's like, oh, I don't. I don't feel that.
(21:36):
I was like what. He's like, what do you mean?
What do you mean you don't feel that? And he was
like no, no, I mean there's just some things that
it doesn't like the it's not worth it. It's okay, Like
you don't have to feel the same way I feel
about everything. I can love you regardless and like I
don't need to convince you of things, and now it's
(21:58):
just it's just better to move on. Ohn devastated. And
then I go to work and I talk to the men,
and the men are all like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
we don't same yeah same what yeah. All the men
who are like the happiest married men I know, they're like,
oh no, no, no, yeah. Sometimes you just yeah, you just
let the like it's just better, it's just easy. It's
(22:19):
just peace, just peace.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's just Brad.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I'm like about to say something and I'm like, no,
I don't need.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
To know, don't need to it's okay, don't need to
say it. It's okay to say it. Just peace.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Everything I think it feel.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sit down for my dissertation of my days.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Everything I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's kind of amazing, though, Like I do think, like
I think a lot of people are in relationships, and
many of them younger because they haven't had as much
experience right where they are, not their full selves where
they are, Like any minute now the other it's all
going to fall into place and he's gonna somehow accept
(23:05):
me for exactly who I am. But I just have
to hide all the parts of myself that he probably
doesn't like until you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like, I think there's a lot of that in the youth.
I mean that that was me.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I had lots of experiences like that in my twenties
and thirties where I was like, well, if I'm my
whole self, if I'm my fullest, truest self, then this
person will leave me. And like, obviously I want to
be with someone versus being alone.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right, isn't that better? It took me a.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Long time to figure that out, I think for women especially, Wow, No.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I think you're right. I think I mean, what I
still see amongst so many of my friends is they
want their husbands or partners to want to do things
for them, as opposed to just saying this is what
I need.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What I need right now is ex yes.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And it's like I want them to magically into it
the thing I need. It's like meg that time they need.
That's not it, baby, We gotta tell each other.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I mean, not to bring it back around to storytelling,
but like I wonder if that is like this, like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, this sort of.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Cinematic romance thing that we've been sold this like, this
person's gonna do this and then then you'll know or
like if he x y z's and you don't have
to tell him that's real love or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And it's like, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm gonna know and see you so deep that he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Know exactly how to Yeah, that's the romantic comedy trope,
the yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We need to change that story.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, how are you gonna do it?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Listen, she trying, Your girl's trying. She is trying, Your
girl is trying.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I feel like, yeah, your stories are feel so authentically
you ever feels like it comes from your life and
your experience in some way, whether ever times that that
was like really scary or was there ever like times
where that was like maybe you regretted telling a story
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that felt too personal or.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, you know what, here's what's weird. No for me,
but there's definitely other people who have felt like, is
this gonna be okay? Right? Are you are? It's it
okay that you're And I think that like maybe because
I've been doing this now a long time, Like I
wonder if I had asked myself that question thirty years ago,
how I would feel. But this is this is my
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experience of the world. It's not anyone else's experience of
the world. It's mine. And I'm an unreliable narrator because
it's this point of view, right, it's my point of view.
It's how I'm seeing it. So there's already something I
can't I'm not all knowing and all seeing, so I
am interpreting it a certain way. So for me to
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put out the way I see it is just one
way of seeing it, And what I hope is that
that invites other people to think about it and interpret
it in their own way. So for me, when I
tell really personal stuff, I feel like there's a sense
I feel brave when I do that. It makes me
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feel powerful when I do that and brave because I'm
being really honest about faults or things that I didn't
do well or things that I could have handled better.
And a lot of times I try to be a
better version of myself when I'm writing it, or what
did I learn, or be the worst version of me
when I'm writing it to then see like, oh wow, yeah,
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I gotta go to the other side of that, you know,
especially when it's personal stuff, when it's stuf with my family,
you know when I go and that's and I have
also found because of the feedback, the feedback has been
so overwhelmingly positive. And I've been lucky in that regard,
like the you know, this is where Twitter and Instagram
can be a hell fire, but it can also be
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a really lovely place where community is formed because people
feel seen through the work. You guys know that better
than anyway. So when you're really authentic and you really
go there, like you know, when I did the mental
health stuff on one day to time, like there was
stuff that was like so personal and it was very
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revelatory to see it interpreted. Because then, of course, you know,
it becomes a stuff. With Justin and Justina and I
had such an incredible bond. I love working with wonderful actors.
I've gotten the opportunity to work with both of you two,
and you guys work the same way, Like I do
a thing, and then you do an interpretation of that thing,
and then together we've come up with a new thing.
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It becomes a new thing, and then that goes out
into the world and people experience it in their way
and filter it, and so it becomes less scary because
I'm just doing my thing, and then you're going to
do whatever you're going to do with it, and then
someone else is going to see it and they're going
to do their own thing with it, and it becomes
this big, kind of magical group project. So I find
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incredible positivity in it. But I can see how I
definitely see a lot of the writers I mentor that
have a lot of fear around putting yourself out there
in that way because it's vulnerable. It's really vulnerable. But
there's something about I think by the time I got
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to the place where I was really that thirty five, right,
I had done the other stuff before, I had tried
to be other versions of me. It didn't work. Like
it's so hard to be other versions of you that
are not authentic. It's harder, it takes a lot more energy. Yeah,
there's actually when you're like able to just sink in
and say this is who I am. It's a lot
so I get it. If some people can't do it,
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that's okay, that's all right, it's okay, it's all right.
But the people that get it really get it. And
so I feel loved by those few, and that's all
I need, and I can can to move forward and
do the work.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I also think that the reaction to people being authentic,
like the thing that I bought up against a lot
is people being like like kind of like not understanding,
well what's going on and feeling like why are you?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Why are you being like that?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I think what I I.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I guess what I'm figuring out now is like, oh, yeah,
that person hasn't tapped into their own stuff. Like they're
not comfortable enough inside themselves in this situation or in
this whatever we're doing. Like they're not quite where I'm at.
So like they're very resistant to like how open I
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am or or goofy I am or friendly I am.
They can't handle it, and so what they want to
do is like shut it down. And for a lot
of people, shutting it down is being rude, being on friends,
being unkind. It's like they don't know what to do
with it, right, And so like what a lot of
our listeners are actually they skew quite a bit younger,
(30:10):
just because some people watch Brooklyn nine nine and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like because we're like really cool and oh, I know,
like how.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Like walk me through how you would like whisper in
your own ear? If you were you now and your
thirty year old self pre like.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I'm doing this, like I'm gonna be more my authentic.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Self, your pre version of that, Like walk me through
what you would tell yourself in your own ear at
like when it wasn't working, like the when when the
negativity was happening, when the negativity was happening coming back
at you or from yourself, like.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean it was rough. I mean I there would
be a lot of going to the bathroom and crying
and then splashing water on my face. Yeah, a lot
of anxiety, lots of anxiety depression, which is like a
thing that shocks people because I'm a very cheerful person,
but I think that like, but it's it's you know,
(31:14):
my brain was my best friend of my worst enemy.
It was my biggest cheerleader and the biggest asshole. So
and I would I believed both of them with Actually,
I think I probably before times believed the negative voices more.
And I think there was when the shift happened. I
think there was a lot of conversation with myself that
(31:34):
was like, well, let's be rational and if you're going
to spend a lot of time thinking about the negative stuff,
then you should spend the equal amount of time thinking
about the positive stuff. Like if we're really seeking yeah,
if we're really seeking balance, then the same amount of
time I am looking in the mirror going oh this,
Oh I don't like this, I don't like this, I
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better spend the same amount of time looking in the
mirror going oh I love this, and I love this
and I love this. Right, and if I think something
about the balance, we are meant to live in a
type of equilibrium, right, So it's when we are doing
too much of one thing that we were literally out
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of balance and can't function as well. So when you're
then forced to look in the mirror and say nice
things or forced to like give your resume, you know,
I was also in and you guys must know this too,
Like you're in spaces with other people that are pointing
really interesting questions to you, and those questions can also
ship like what are you know? I remember I was
(32:36):
at a lunch where the prompt, the icebreaker was like,
introduce yourself the way your proudest relative would talk, would
introduce you. Oh I love that. What did you were
you like? Oh no? Are you like? Oh no? Do
you immediately start sobbing.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yeah, you're like, oh no, right, because you're like okay,
well Glorita, you know, like uh, you know, it's like,
oh my man, okay, like and then once you and
then I think also, like a gift I would give everybody,
especially people not in this industry, is that when we
do panels, you guys, they they introduce us, you know,
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they give like a little mini resume before you go
onto a stage.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And I want people in real life to do this
for each other. I want people in real life to say, like, amazing,
mom crushed the PTA dinner. Did that you know makes
amazing lunches for her daughter every day.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
It's Pamela, you know, like you know, like next time
you have a dinner party, yes, when you haven't, like
for your birthday parties, you guys, have your friends do
like introductions, like we have to like sit in that
celebratory thing more because that's a.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Story we are telling that the story your friend is
telling about you to you. Yeah, and we kind of
just do thatt on birthdays maybe if we're lucky, uh,
if we're lucky maybe.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I mean. The sad thing is it happens at funerals,
right when like you can't even fucking hear it, like
when it's too late, like wow, And you know, at
a funeral, people get they make speeches, they talk about
all the incredible things this person did for them, And
like maybe that also happens at a wedding maybe, but
(34:27):
like that's it. So like let's say you get married
at twenty five and you don't die till you're like
one hundred and five, that you're going.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So many decades, long time, a long time without anyone
just like being like, here's all the things that I
think are incredible about you and what you mean to me.
I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Like yes, dinner parties, birthdays, like let's just unabashedly celebrate
around the table, go around the table.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
It makes my stomach hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I don't like not.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I didn't even have speeches at my wedding. Melissa can
tell you that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You did not.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Or better.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Or better, I didn't have speeches there. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. I didn't really have speeches at my wedding either.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What is that? Know though? Just out of curiosity, what's
the no?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Well, Some of the no was like my husband's parents
and they're you know, like I just didn't I was
like not inviting, like let's about our heads and have
a weird like no, no, no, right. Some of it
was that like I wanted the celebration to be I
don't know, I just didn't want to like a big
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old speechy.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I just didn't want it. It felt like why didn't
I want it?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, like I guess I just didn't want like
I wanted everyone to have their own experience of the
wedding and I wanted it to be like a party and.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Like, well in life, like if we were if we
were to go to would you be uncomfortable if Melissa
and I said nice things about you?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
No, but I would be uncomfortable being like you guys
are invited to my party and you all have to
write down like three nights.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well yeah no, but that sounds like home. Yeah. I
get that's great. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I get like it was my bed and spontaneous, spontaneously.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, you don't want to make it homework for people,
but if it happened, I would say, I would say
that that is the that the gift would be a
friend should do this for you. We should be doing
it for yourself. Are you a friend? How about be
the friend that does this for your friend, but don't
demand your friends do this for you because that's gross
and that's weird. There we go. Yeah, but yeah, like
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I love how you kind of said it.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Like, you know, if I'm having a dinner party, every
time someone arrives, I'm opening the door and being saying and.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Walking in and walking in ragging at five five looking good.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, Like, if it's the thing you're doing for others,
like what are we doing for others? That that that's
a good distinction. I think that's actually an important distinction.
I think so Yeah, as opposed to saying I'm giving
you all homework.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
For my brain.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You're invited to, but you have to say really nice
things about me.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Everyone is gonna get a one and a half minute
speech about what.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
My god, I'm Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're right. It's an important distinction. Yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I also think, like, you know, if we're talking about
like authenticity as a in in life and then how
it relates to our work, right, Like we play pretend,
we make up stories. We like all three of us right, Like,
we're all in the arts and that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So when you think.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
About your own writing, how how do you kind of
like figure out where to bring yourself and where to
like use your imagination and is it the same thing?
You know? Like I mean, as I asked the question,
I'm like, that's all just that's all you kind of.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
All the same thing. I mean, here, here's the thing.
So I'm writing. I'm literally writing a play right now,
and there's ideas that I know I want to put
in the play. There's thoughts I'm having about the plays
about payliative care and about watching your parents die and
what does that bring up for young people, right for siblings,
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for these siblings, And there are ideas that I'm having,
but I don't know what the connective tissue of those
things is yet. So I kind of go into a
scene thinking, all right, I want to talk about this
one thing and how do I get into it, and
how do I get out of it? And how do
I have fun within it? And how do I show
each person's specific character and point of view on this
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one topic. Because I also really try in my work
to you know, I really feel like my work is
about building bridges. I'm not interested in dividing. I really
want to center it in love and connection and that
we need to find a way to talk to each other.
And so it's great for me to have characters who
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disagree and great to have characters who are fighting about
things and who are speaking their own truths and the
things that I learn from that, because I deeply want
to understand people that I disagree with, because I think
at our core, if we talk face to face, what
we're going to find is we actually care about the
same things. We just have a different way of going
about it. And the sooner we can realize like we're
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just we just all want to keep our family safe,
and we all just want to be able to thrive,
and we all just want like, we all really do
want these things, and it's often fear the thing that
divides us. And the sooner we can state our fear
out loud and connect with one another over what we
love and what we fear, then maybe the fear can
be turned down. So that's kind of how I enter
(39:47):
these scenes, And yeah, that's how I go in. So
like it'll start with something, but then I'll make something up,
or I'll make another thing, you know, like there will
be little things that come and go in between that,
and then I allow in the writing play as well,
like sometimes I go off on crazy tangents that I'm like,
I'm probably gonna cut this later, but let's go there
(40:09):
now for fun, you know, and see what happens, because
it came up and let's see. But yeah, I think
that it's always coming for me, obviously because I'm the
writer of it. But then I am trying to insert
other ideas into it to try to get to the
bottom of some central truth to bring about connection.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah you always thought that way about your work? Have
you always been like I, I'm coming from a place
where I want to like create connection between characters.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, and coming from yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yes, I saw something recently. I saw something recently it
kind of blew my mind too, where it said if
you if you're the funny one in your family, you
probably had a depressed parent.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh oh cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Cool, that's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's cool. So who were And I was like, oh,
and that's like, who were you initially trying to make laugh?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
My dad?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And in life, what are we doing? What are we
displaying what kid? Like I have one kid that's the
funny one. And is it because I've been more authentic
with him about my mental health and he knows that,
right yeah, and that's okay and talking about those things
because like I grew up in house where you don't.
We're happy, happy, joy joy. They experience awful things to
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come to this country and that was in the rear
view mirror. And we're not talking about that. Everything is great,
everything is at me And it was, I mean, they
built a beautiful life and it was a very happy life,
but it was like, can we talk about the cube stuff? No, okay,
we're not talking about when you were children and came
here and lived in a camp. Nope, okay, cool cool cool.
(41:44):
So it's and seeing how I wanted to do the opposite.
I always want to talk about everything a nauseum, right.
So now I have children, one of whom is like,
do we have to talk about Maybe we don't have
to talk about everything. Maybe my son the other day
we were in the car. My son says, you know, mom,
not every car ride has to be a ted talk.
(42:05):
Oh my god, it's really funny. Oh god, fair enough,
fair enough, let's listen to some tunes and single sing songs.
That's fair, fair, it is so good. Oh listen, that's
I love it so when they when my kids burn me,
I love it so much because it's like the ultimate mirror.
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And I also love that they feel comfortable enough to
say it, you know, and it's done in a loving way.
It's always done so lovingly, but like they're here to
teach us so much. I'm so lucky. I think I
think my kids are the coolest people ever.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I like, I just wrote down a loving A loving
burn is a mirror. I like that because I probably
would have cried really yeah yeah if Roz was like
you know, mom, not every I mean yeah, I would
have been like.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Pain you imagine here, let me paint a picture. I
feel like when Steph and I first met, I am
like the my whole family, Like everybody was like a
ball buster, like so there was joy Latin definitely like
flavors of what you Yeah, like, we don't really talk
about the horrific things that happened before we came here,
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except when I got older.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I think they did.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
But everybody was just uh, it was a very like
jokey household it was a lot of people making fun
of each other in my house. And also I think
Jersey is just like that, and I don't do that
to everybody, but if I love you, I will definitely
make fun of you, like that is one of my
love languages. And it took Steph and I like a
minute for me to convince her that I was not
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trying to be you loved her, that I loved her.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I was also really I mean that like again, you're
like going back to this idea of like how do
you get more better at off City? Like I was
so terrified in my own skin at thirty three, you know,
when we first met, I just like didn't know. I mean,
I had this inkling of like who maybe I could become,
but it was so it was like this nascent inner
(44:15):
feeling that was like not it hadn't come yet really,
and I was like grinding away trying to get at it.
And so like when things would happen like on set
or like in interactions and I felt stung by them,
it was brutal. It was brutal, and it felt like raw,
you know, I just felt.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like raw all the time on set.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I was just like, oh, like I remember I cried
one day in my I cried in my dressing room
because Melissa and Andy and.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Joe, I think, were like, hit your mark?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Why can't you hit your mark?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
No, there were many listen, there were many times. There
were many times it was like, oh, you dropped your gun.
Oh you didn't hate your own mark. Oh why didn't
you come in? I'm like, why did you let the
thing swing onto somebody's leg behind you?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And now we have to do it again?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And like I would hold it together on set, but
like I would go back to my room and be like.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So we're doing that all all to each other. It
was all, it was all.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
It was all that I've only felt, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
because I was so inside my thing of like you
have to be perfect, you have to You can't let
them know that, like you don't know what you're doing,
that you're from the theater and you've never been on
a set, and like you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
You can't let them see that. If I had just
been brave enough.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That's the story you were telling yourself.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, And I had just been brave enough to be like, right,
I'm actually new at this, So I'm learning as I go,
not automatically. I'm horrible at this, but like this is
my first time, so I am learning as I go.
I'm like, oh, that's probably a mistake I won't make
very many more times because now I know, you know,
but I just wasn't able to give myself that softness
at the time, Like I just couldn't do it, you know.
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But now we bust each other's balls all the time.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Also, why do we call it busballs?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It's so gross. I don't know. I know, I don't know.
It's not gross.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But if my kid makes fun of me, I will cry.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But think about that. Think about that because I would
invite you to do work now, because what you don't
want too is the moment your kid's authentic with you,
you have an emotional reaction no.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Because then she'll be like, oh, I can't do that
because I don't want to hurt my mom.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, oh my god, I can't. Yeah, I can't be myself.
I can't call mom out. Or some kids will be like,
I'm gonna do that all the time. I'm gonna do
that all the time. I'll push that button. I'm gonna
push that button.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, I just got some big reaction and connection through
that moment.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I love it. I love so much when they sit
in their truth of what they're experiencing in the moment
through my husband and I. I freaking love it. I
love it so much because it's like, oh, you're you're learning,
you're learning, like and yeah, sometimes I can. I think that,
you know. I think this is also like the working
parent guilt is that I'm like, when I am with
them for a window of time, I feel like I
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have did like do all my parenting. Yeah, yeah, my god.
And what they want, Yeah, what they want is just
like just like hang out and drive, dude, just like
drive and we'll listen to music.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Like it's fine, don't be like doing your weird Ted
talk about like yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, it's real.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Like David, my husband, was like was talking about how
he recently lost his mom and he was talking about
like what he didn't realize until he was older is
the days where it was like we're having breakfast for
dinner and they were like, yeah, those were the days
that she thought she was failing, right, you know that
she was like, oh my god, I'm giving my kids pancakes,
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Like oh no, and.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
They loved it.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah. The day that like we think where it's like, okay,
guess what it's in and out? Yeah, go, they're like
fast food.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
We never get this, yeah, and they all love it.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
And you know it's it's just it's that soft voice.
It's like, we have to allow the softness. Yes, there's
we have to allow. We have to allow equal So
if there's gonna be meanness, there has.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
To be happy, more better.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I like that as the takeaway is like and I
think that is something that I've that I know, but
it's nice to be reminded of that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
If I'm gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Oh my god, this is I'm horrible at this and
I'm the worst and I'm the then I also have
to be like, I'm actually pretty good at this, and
look at how cute this is or you know, whatever
it is that I'm criticizing in that moment or like
trying to get better at doesn't have to come from
a critical, shitty, mean voice. It can come from a
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place of like.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You're still learning about this, so like that's good, you
did a great job.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Just how I try to talk to Roz until she
fucking mouths off in the back of the car and
Charlie told me that I'm doing a ted talk. I
won't stand for it. Melissa, what's your takeaway today?
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Oh my gosh, I am going to be laughing about
that tech talk joke for a long time.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
It's honestly really funny. Here's the thing steps if you're.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
So funny, and that's the thing too, if you have
a funny kid, it's like, yeah, prepare yourself because yeah,
she is funny. She is so get ready then like
that funny shit and so makes fun of me all
the time.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
But he's like testing out like.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
What boundaries boundaries and what works and also just like
is that funny? Like you know, he'll like wait for
the laugh. Oh my gosh. So many amazing gems that
you dropped on us today, Gloria. I think my takeaway
the biggest one I'm taking with me today is uh,
the not letting people, not letting the story people are
(49:51):
telling about you in right, and just like sticking true.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
To like your story.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
You know yourself, you know the story you're telling, you
know who you are and yeah that was a chef's kiss.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, or if you don't know who you are, like
if you're like, oh, I don't know, Like there's probably
a little flame of something in there that you can
like tend to.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I also feel like people
should write down their story, even for their kids or grandkids.
They should tell they should write it down or or
voice memo it, Like I would what I would kill
to have my grandmother telling the story of her life
on my phone that I could just listen to sometimes.
Oh my god, Oh that would be such a gem.
(50:38):
And so like everybody should at some point say, this
is who I was, and this is what I did,
and this is what I cared about, and this is
what I fought through, and these are the things I
found challenging, and this is the growth that I went through.
And at the end of the day, this was what
I'm most proud of. Like, oh my gosh, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
That makes me want to like literally make every person
I'm related to to do that. Send out a mass
email dear friends and family, please in.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
The next five years before anything gets sad. Before open
the voice notes started beginning as far back as you
can remember, it's already sad. Things are. It's sad, it's
we're doing it's now it's now do you guys.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
We can't end on that, but we can't have.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
No Yeah, sorry I took a dark turn. Sorry everything
happy thing. I blame the day quill.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think I do want to say, like before we
wrap up, like, uh, the the thing that I think
is like, and this is a work thing, but I
do think storytelling and sharing stories, especially in media now,
is a way to shape and connect us, right, And
(51:58):
like a lot of a lot of the talk is like, well,
my algorithm's feeding me this, so that's what I'm seeing, right,
And and that's true, But I also think like something
important to do for yourself is to sort of seek
out stories that aren't necessarily your that don't reflect back your.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Own echo chamber.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, your own echo chamber.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, right, And because like building empathy and sympathy, mostly
empathy for.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
People that are very different from you.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Like culture's, socioeconomic groups, like all of it, right, Like,
so much of that empathy is built when you're listening
to story and narrative story.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I think a lot.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I guess I just wanted to say, I think it's
very cool what you do, Gloria, And like I'm not
a writer, I'm pretty good at writing jokes. But I'm
not like a writer, Like I'm not a world builder necessarily,
not in the way that you are.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
And I think it's very I think we're just lucky
to have writers. I think we're very, very lucky to
have writers.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
And I don't know that everybody that watches TV thinks
about that, but I would encourage the art listeners and
like to think about that the next time that you're
watching stuff. It's like, oh, somebody, this came from someone's brain.
There was a lot, a lot to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
But like this is somebody.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
Like this came from somebody's brain, Like someone told the story.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
And their heart and their life experience and like their
unique path through this crazy thing called life.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Like I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
I think writers are the most important piece of this whole,
like Hollywood puzzle. But yeah, so grateful to have you
on today, Gloria.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
I think you're so happy with you guys. Thanks for
having me. Thanks. I was a great kind of on
topic sort of doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I feel more better, do you, Melissa?
Speaker 5 (54:02):
I feel so much more better, Except you're gonna feel
really good when you get another dose of that data.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Sleepa day quill the good stuff. This is not sponsored
by night club. This is not sponsored, but you know
give us Paul.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
We're always uh wedding again, Gloria, thanks again for being
on and everybody will.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
See you next week.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
See you next week, Bye.
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Oh my god, it's really funny.
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so good. Oh listen, that's I love it so when
when my kids burn me. I love it so much
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That?
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Did I do it?
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That was?
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Guys, Uh, Melissa is a little under the weather today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think it's okay to say.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
I mean this episode might be slightly unhinged, so we
should give a disclaimer at the beginning that I am,
you know on a day quill.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're welcome, listeners, You're welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Enjoy the ride. What have you done lately? That's a
little more better ste.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You know what? I found a container of those little
sticky eye patches in my drawer and I was like,
I'm not even gonna check the exploration today, I'm just
gonna open it. They were still a little juicy, slapped
some on fuck you. I considered that some of my
self care today. Yes, easiest self care to squeeze into
a day.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Eye patches.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
What have you done?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Since I am a c K, it's like the low
grade achy sometimes chills kind of sick.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
That's such kind awful.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm actively trying to do more better right now because
initially when I went down last night, Remember how the
last few episodes, I've been like, I've been so productive.
I've been NonStop, I've been getting shit done. And so
the last night I was like, oh no, girl, you
did too much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Like, no, bitch, youre the reason I clean out my closet.
Oh no, are you telling me I'm gonna get sick? No, no, no,
let me finish, Let me finish. Okay, okay, okay. So
I was like, you've been doing too much. You gotta
slow down.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
You ran yourself ragged and now you're sick and you
got all this shit to do this weekend and blah
blah blah. And then I was like, why am I
fucking blaming myself? Also, I've been doing like a lot
of good stuff for myself. I've been working out, I've
been eating good, like, I've been getting sleep. So I
was like, maybe I just got fucking sick. Maybe I
just was like around someone, or like I went to
(02:50):
a dinner Wednesday night and maybe somebody in the restaurant
was fucking sick. Maybe you just get fucking sick sometimes
and it's not your fault and you don't have to like.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You didn't blame yourself. That's good.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, So I'm trying to like be more better today
in this moment that like, sometimes you just get fucking
sick and it's not my fault and it just happens.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, it's true, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's not it's not I absolve you of it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Thank you, more better.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I'm excited about today's episode.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Today's episode, we have guests.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's our friend cultural icon Gloria Caleron Kelly, writer, showrunner, director, actor, producer,
hilarious person, great mom, cool human.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We love you so much. Thanks for being here, Gloria.
I'm gonna listen to that every day that that might
be my new rington. Justations we do that when we
wake up, we should look in the mirror and be like,
listen the things. Yeah, yeah, we are powerful. We do
(04:03):
a lot. We do a lot.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Everyone all you guys just like waking up and surviving
and living every day as well.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh my god, it is everybody's really true. It's I mean,
by the way, we made it through another week. Like
every week I'm a little bit like, oh my god,
we did it? Really did it? Weird? Did it? Did it?
You did it?
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Last few birthdays have definitely felt like, oh I survived
another year, did it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Hi, guys, what we're talking to you about today is
not necessarily all of those things. It's more about it's
kind of distilling down what I think one of your
greatest talents, which is storytelling and doing so with authenticity
and so like, because you're storyteller and because you are
(04:51):
communicating these authentic stories, we thought it would be good
to sort of have you talk about like how do
you get to the place of like inviting more authenticity
into your life? Because you know, not everybody listens to
the show is necessarily involved in like the arts, the thoughts,
But like, how do you live life authentically?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
How do you have self awareness?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
How do you have the ability to sort of like
evaluate your strengths and your weaknesses and act in ways
that are like consistent with your values as a person
and allow for openness and honesty and your relationships with
other people, and like how do you do that? The
first thing I want to kind of ask you is like,
what has been your experience with storytelling with authenticity?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, ladies, Oh, she put on her podcast voice right there, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Ladies, as a receptionist into four dealerships for many years,
so I really I played with voices every time I answered,
I would answer with that It's really good training for actors,
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Is to be a.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
How can I help them? So, especially exactly how can
I direct your call? I think that one of the things,
and this is really for non non artistes types. I
was having difficulty with a coworker once, and I was
talking to a friend about it and we were unpacking
what it is that bothers me so much about this coworker.
(06:21):
This was now fifteen years ago. And ultimately it was
because the things that I was feeling were things that
I thought were untruths about myself that this person felt
about me, right, And so it's like, why does this person,
especially if you're like a people pleaser or somebody like
I'm somebody that's used to being liked, so it like
(06:43):
hits me weird when somebody doesn't like me. And I'm
still like, you know, a kid on a playground that's like,
I don't I know that like most people like me,
but like, why isn't he like me? You know? And
it's and and they said something to me that I
have walked with every day of my life from that
moment forward. Why are you believing his story about you?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Bitch?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I was like, whoa? And that really is the truth.
In everything we do, we are telling people the story
of who we are and how we act, in how
we parent and how we talk about our kids when
we're out in the world, and how we talk about
our families and how we talk about our spouses, and
how we are constantly telling our stories to people, and
(07:30):
what are the stories that other people are telling about
us to our face or not? And how do we
go about taking ownership and control over our own narrative,
and that really flipped something because it was true. I
was I was bothered because I was like, but that's
not true. But it was making me feel like my
(07:52):
stuff wasn't true about myself, and it was letting me
be less than because I was starting to believe like,
oh my god, maybe I'm not great or maybe I'm
not mean. He's right, and that I think is one
of like the biggest turning points for me to also
get to this path because now that I'm fifty, fifty
years old, yeah fifty, but now that I'm fifty, the
(08:15):
thing that life and perspective does really give you that like,
all I want is to try to figure out how
to tell young people this in a way that's not patronizing.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Totally like the sooner we like I do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Give so much less of a fuck now I do,
and I'm so glad I do, but like I'm so mad.
It took me this long, Yeah mad, It took me
this long to not care that to really sit and go, oh,
all those people that were like so mean and sad
fifteen twenty years ago are are mean and sad now,
Like it didn't work like why was I allowing myself
(08:48):
to be sensitive to whatever they thought? Because I thought
that they knew something I didn't know. And none of
us know anything, right, Like we're all walking around trying
to we don't know. We don't know what this is,
we don't know what we're doing. We're all every day
is an improv game called life where you yes and
and you sometimes I mean it is we are doing
(09:10):
our best walking through this world. And yeah, I think
that like the sooner I was able to go, oh,
what's my story and how do I live every day
to be in purpose of what I want to be
saying about myself as a person. And when I'm in
spaces where I'm like, oh, I don't like how I
don't like how I'm behaving, maybe I'm not supposed to
(09:30):
be in that space. Yeah, maybe it means I'm not
supposed to be around those people.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
And that's okay, Like that being a tell for you
if you're acting not yourself, like.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I'm acting weird or I'm doing why am I being weird?
Like why I was that felt odd? Like really listening
to those to those voices. So I think like the
first thing about authenticity is like really being clear about
who am I and what is my story and it
might be different in an hour, it might be different tomorrow,
and allowing for the grace of like of that too.
(10:01):
And I think especially as we age and I'm in
this Sandwich generation now where what I'm talking about and
exploring a lot in my work is what it is
to raise children and see parents start to exit and
that balance of like life and new and first and
(10:23):
last and final, right, I think that it was like
the moment I really sat with myself because I really
think a lot about as I'm watching my mom age.
My mom came up in the eighties where they were
(10:44):
told the live you can have it all right. So
she was a working mom and I feel so much
because I think that they were smile on their face,
suits and heels, going to work all day, then coming
to every recite, idle and everything I had and still
making my lunches and still looking beautiful and still being
skinny and still doing full face of makeup. And to
(11:09):
see now what that stress I think did to her body. Yeah,
and you know, is really humbling to see that, like,
oh man, does she And and to also be like,
what's your favorite movie? Or favorite color or favorite song,
and she probably wouldn't have an answer.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Oh yeah, Gloria.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know, and how do we not model that for
our kids?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Because she was just doing everything for everybody else and
not thinking about herself at all.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, man, the like, I yeah, I think that those
women that paved this path had to kind of do
all of it and still be like feminine and still
be like, you know, like And I have to remind
her of this when I show up, because you know,
I'm a writer, so most of the time I look
like a garbage person and she's like, I, Glorita, tell
(11:55):
me about that's so offended, right, uncle, No, but I
do so a little blood, a little rude baby, something.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
A little lipstick, something anything.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Listen, I'm not no patriarchy. Uh huh, yeah, listen. I
think thongs and heels were created by the patriarchy. Were
so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I do like a thong.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It keeps keeps her eye off the ball. I won't
say I do.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Like a thunge. I don't feel it. It don't It's like.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm not wearing like maybe I just got too big
of a booty. All right.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I like a thong too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I don't you do too. That's because y'all are skinny. No,
I got I got some dump.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I always size up in my thong.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I will say that I always size up because I
need to.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Be like, yes, like there's nothing on my body, Like
it's barely touching me.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's just a.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Barrier between me and my jeans.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I like a spank. I like like I like a
I like a you know, like a like a nylon
or a whole thing, but like something it is. I'm
gonna get gross for a second. I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I don't like boot sweat, and I got it. I
got some dump in my trunk.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And so you know, the thong also serves a purpose
of just are you guys.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Saying that I don't have a boot.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
It's catching any set capture, it's capturing drips. It's capturing
drips that either.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
This ends with people wanting to buy those. Yeah, this
is a side business. I'm just saying times we're getting tough, guys,
so we all got to do what we can do.
My eBay shop is open.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's called authentically no respectfully no, authentically no.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I do like thongs and I like heels, but I
also had the mom that put the lipstick on before
going to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I only like them in a little cutie outfit.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh my god, not me. Give me a comfortable shoe.
Give me a full bottom cover and a comfortable shoe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Just put me in one sack and slap some like
Sam goes on my feet.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, hokahs.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't like how they feel.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Really.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Oh god, yeah, I don't like a hookah.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Whatever makes you comfortable. You know, feminism is allowing for everything.
You wear your thongb girl, girl, and you wear your clues.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
True feminism is allowing for everything.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's allowing for everything. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I don't know you do you?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I mean that's another episode, but I feel a hot take.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I mean, okay, So something I think I wanted to
ask you was like when do you think that you
So you were talking earlier about this, like kind of
realization of like why are you believing this other person's
story about you? Right?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like when was that for you?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Like when?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Because you were storytelling before that?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Obviously you were in like I was.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
A storytelling before that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, but when how long into like that process? Like
where were you age wise? I guess for like listeners it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Was like fifteen years ago thirty five. Thirty five was
a big, big switch up for me. Yeah. Yeah, thirty
five was a big switch up where like I'd had
success and like things were going pretty well, but I
was still in you know, I was still in a
lot of rooms with like Ivy League men, you know,
men of like a privileged background, and not a lot
of people that not a lot of women, and not
(15:19):
a lot of people look like me. So there has
been like some incredible strides that's certainly shifted and changed,
but also going a bit backwards now to kind of
what it was. Yeah, so that's kind of what I
want to empower women with. I mean, I think right
now too, there's so much good conversation happening between women.
I think for a lot of a long time, certainly
(15:40):
I think of my mother's generation, I don't know that
they had a lot of peer support because a lot
of times they were the only ones, or there were
so few of them, and they'd pit them against each
other and whatnot. I don't feel like that's the case anymore.
I think we all understand that what's me is for me,
and what's used for you, and let's support each other
and love each other and rising you know, tides lift
ships and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it
(16:03):
was about it was about fifteen years ago, and then
it was before then. I think I was doing all right.
I was doing okay, but it was you know, I
was in a lot of spaces where it was an
organizational culture that I wasn't used to or didn't understand
or didn't grow up with, you know, still a very
male dominated thing where I felt like I had approved
(16:23):
myself or where I where I mean, in those times too,
you were told flat out you know this, this is
a room of men, can you hang? And I've been
fortunate that I've been friends with men forever. I was
just always that girl, And so for the most part,
I'm not very easily offended. I'm not super sensitive. But
(16:45):
it is a strange thing to basically in an interview
be asked like, are you able to put a waste
part of your humanity to be in this job? You know,
right as opposed to now, where if I was in
a where once the shift happened, you you feel strong
enough in your power to be like, uh, stopping, gross, Yeah,
(17:06):
let's move on, right, But like when you're young, and
you're so happy to just be in spaces and you
don't want to be escorted out. You think you have
to put up with those things, and sometimes you might, right,
Like I think had I not, I don't know that
I would have been in those spaces early on. I
think they would have wanted me out because because that
was the nature of and that's for.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Many jobs, because they wanted to keep being.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Gross, right, right, and they didn't want to feel bad
for yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
So part of it is like ooh, I don't want
to be called.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Out by yeah, don't tell. Don't tell our wives on us,
you know, yeah. Yeah, And so I think there's but
I think there's a shift. And I what I've definitely
seen which has been really comforting is how many men
are so grateful when women are in charge. How many
men are like, oh my god, it's so nice here. Yeah, oh,
like you guys are like nice and supportive and like
(17:55):
we still joke and we still talk about stuff, but
we're still gross like of course, you know, course, but
there's a way to do it with sort of a
little kindness.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I don't know, Yes, no, I'm more more humanity, more humanity,
I think that's way is just like a little bit
more self awareness, awareness of who's in the room, more humanity.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
Yeah, I think, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think more than more than anything, I want to
empower people because I feel like the real shift when
that happened to me and I was just I just
decided to be in spaces where I was going to
say what I thought, whether people liked it or not.
There is something really powerful about like stopp being gross,
right Like, there's something really powerful about saying how you
(18:48):
feel about something. And yeah, it's going to ruffle some
people's feathers, but then those aren't your people, right, Like,
the more the more we can say this is how
I feel about this thing. And I'm and I'm what
I worry about with this next generation because what I'm
seeing as I'm meeting younger people is so much is
done through devices, emails, and various forms of social media
(19:12):
that when that a face to face conversation feels confronting,
regardless of the subject matter.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it's not fascinating.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I was talking to a friend yesterday who was she
was under the impression that another friend of hers had
this sort of same value system that she did, and
they were kind of like arguing back and forth over
voice notes, and I was like, you need to sit
down with her and have coffee, and like she was like,
but I want to win.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I want to win. And I was like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I get that you want to win this conversation, but
like you probably need to sit down with her and
like talk to her and see if she's actually like
you said, like is she your people or is she not?
Because like you're not really going to find that out
over trading voice notes, like you're going to find but
it is like it's also confronting.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But also define win, you know what I mean? Like
what are we winning when we're just I mean, what
are we winning?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like I think that this look we're we're all married ladies.
Sorry everyone else, sorry people, But like so much of
like I think marriage is.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
You want to win.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
No stuff, no stuff. No it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's really not. It is peace.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It's like, uh, what is it?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
A quick forgiveness and a lot of laughter. Peace it's peace? Yeah,
Like that means you know what, all right, let's just
move on. Just this is enough. It's this person.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Sometimes you're around that moment where you're like about to
explain something to them, and you're like, you know what
I'm it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Brad gets so overwhelmed. He's like, no, tell me, and
I'm like, by the time I finish explain meaning this
thing to you, I would have had that and like
fifteen other things done.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't want to let me. Let me tell you
something confronting that happened between my husband and I. Am
I going off topic? Do you want me to do
all the time?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Here?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So I was. It was, of course, like some Instagram
prompt and it was like it said, like, do you
feel like you can say anything to your spouse at
any moment? And I was like, yes, absolutely absolutely, I'm
so free in this relationship. I was like, honey, I
feel look at this. Do you believe there's some people
that feel He's like, oh, I don't. I don't feel that.
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I was like what. He's like, what do you mean?
What do you mean you don't feel that? And he was
like no, no, I mean there's just some things that
it doesn't like the it's not worth it. It's okay, Like
you don't have to feel the same way I feel
about everything. I can love you regardless and like I
don't need to convince you of things, and now it's
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just it's just better to move on. Ohn devastated. And
then I go to work and I talk to the men,
and the men are all like, oh yeah, no, no, no,
we don't same yeah same what yeah. All the men
who are like the happiest married men I know, they're like,
oh no, no, no, yeah. Sometimes you just yeah, you just
let the like it's just better, it's just easy. It's
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just peace, just peace.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's just Brad.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I'm like about to say something and I'm like, no,
I don't need.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
To know, don't need to it's okay, don't need to
say it. It's okay to say it. Just peace.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Everything I think it feel.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sit down for my dissertation of my days.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Everything I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
That's kind of amazing, though, Like I do think, like
I think a lot of people are in relationships, and
many of them younger because they haven't had as much
experience right where they are, not their full selves where
they are, Like any minute now the other it's all
going to fall into place and he's gonna somehow accept
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me for exactly who I am. But I just have
to hide all the parts of myself that he probably
doesn't like until you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Like, I think there's a lot of that in the youth.
I mean that that was me.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I had lots of experiences like that in my twenties
and thirties where I was like, well, if I'm my
whole self, if I'm my fullest, truest self, then this
person will leave me. And like, obviously I want to
be with someone versus being alone.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right, isn't that better? It took me a.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Long time to figure that out, I think for women especially, Wow, No.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I think you're right. I think I mean, what I
still see amongst so many of my friends is they
want their husbands or partners to want to do things
for them, as opposed to just saying this is what
I need.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What I need right now is ex yes.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And it's like I want them to magically into it
the thing I need. It's like meg that time they need.
That's not it, baby, We gotta tell each other.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I mean, not to bring it back around to storytelling,
but like I wonder if that is like this, like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You know, this sort of.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Cinematic romance thing that we've been sold this like, this
person's gonna do this and then then you'll know or
like if he x y z's and you don't have
to tell him that's real love or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And it's like, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm gonna know and see you so deep that he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Know exactly how to Yeah, that's the romantic comedy trope,
the yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We need to change that story.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, how are you gonna do it?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Listen, she trying, Your girl's trying. She is trying, Your
girl is trying.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I feel like, yeah, your stories are feel so authentically
you ever feels like it comes from your life and
your experience in some way, whether ever times that that
was like really scary or was there ever like times
where that was like maybe you regretted telling a story
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that felt too personal or.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, you know what, here's what's weird. No for me,
but there's definitely other people who have felt like, is
this gonna be okay? Right? Are you are? It's it
okay that you're And I think that like maybe because
I've been doing this now a long time, Like I
wonder if I had asked myself that question thirty years ago,
how I would feel. But this is this is my
(25:39):
experience of the world. It's not anyone else's experience of
the world. It's mine. And I'm an unreliable narrator because
it's this point of view, right, it's my point of view.
It's how I'm seeing it. So there's already something I
can't I'm not all knowing and all seeing, so I
am interpreting it a certain way. So for me to
(25:59):
put out the way I see it is just one
way of seeing it, And what I hope is that
that invites other people to think about it and interpret
it in their own way. So for me, when I
tell really personal stuff, I feel like there's a sense
I feel brave when I do that. It makes me
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feel powerful when I do that and brave because I'm
being really honest about faults or things that I didn't
do well or things that I could have handled better.
And a lot of times I try to be a
better version of myself when I'm writing it, or what
did I learn, or be the worst version of me
when I'm writing it to then see like, oh wow, yeah,
(26:41):
I gotta go to the other side of that, you know,
especially when it's personal stuff, when it's stuf with my family,
you know when I go and that's and I have
also found because of the feedback, the feedback has been
so overwhelmingly positive. And I've been lucky in that regard,
like the you know, this is where Twitter and Instagram
can be a hell fire, but it can also be
(27:02):
a really lovely place where community is formed because people
feel seen through the work. You guys know that better
than anyway. So when you're really authentic and you really
go there, like you know, when I did the mental
health stuff on one day to time, like there was
stuff that was like so personal and it was very
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revelatory to see it interpreted. Because then, of course, you know,
it becomes a stuff. With Justin and Justina and I
had such an incredible bond. I love working with wonderful actors.
I've gotten the opportunity to work with both of you two,
and you guys work the same way, Like I do
a thing, and then you do an interpretation of that thing,
and then together we've come up with a new thing.
(27:44):
It becomes a new thing, and then that goes out
into the world and people experience it in their way
and filter it, and so it becomes less scary because
I'm just doing my thing, and then you're going to
do whatever you're going to do with it, and then
someone else is going to see it and they're going
to do their own thing with it, and it becomes
this big, kind of magical group project. So I find
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incredible positivity in it. But I can see how I
definitely see a lot of the writers I mentor that
have a lot of fear around putting yourself out there
in that way because it's vulnerable. It's really vulnerable. But
there's something about I think by the time I got
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to the place where I was really that thirty five, right,
I had done the other stuff before, I had tried
to be other versions of me. It didn't work. Like
it's so hard to be other versions of you that
are not authentic. It's harder, it takes a lot more energy. Yeah,
there's actually when you're like able to just sink in
and say this is who I am. It's a lot
so I get it. If some people can't do it,
(28:49):
that's okay, that's all right, it's okay, it's all right.
But the people that get it really get it. And
so I feel loved by those few, and that's all
I need, and I can can to move forward and
do the work.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I also think that the reaction to people being authentic,
like the thing that I bought up against a lot
is people being like like kind of like not understanding,
well what's going on and feeling like why are you?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Why are you being like that?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I think what I I.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I guess what I'm figuring out now is like, oh, yeah,
that person hasn't tapped into their own stuff. Like they're
not comfortable enough inside themselves in this situation or in
this whatever we're doing. Like they're not quite where I'm at.
So like they're very resistant to like how open I
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am or or goofy I am or friendly I am.
They can't handle it, and so what they want to
do is like shut it down. And for a lot
of people, shutting it down is being rude, being on friends,
being unkind. It's like they don't know what to do
with it, right, And so like what a lot of
our listeners are actually they skew quite a bit younger,
(30:10):
just because some people watch Brooklyn nine nine and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like because we're like really cool and oh, I know,
like how.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Like walk me through how you would like whisper in
your own ear? If you were you now and your
thirty year old self pre like.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I'm doing this, like I'm gonna be more my authentic.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Self, your pre version of that, Like walk me through
what you would tell yourself in your own ear at
like when it wasn't working, like the when when the
negativity was happening, when the negativity was happening coming back
at you or from yourself, like.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean it was rough. I mean I there would
be a lot of going to the bathroom and crying
and then splashing water on my face. Yeah, a lot
of anxiety, lots of anxiety depression, which is like a
thing that shocks people because I'm a very cheerful person,
but I think that like, but it's it's you know,
(31:14):
my brain was my best friend of my worst enemy.
It was my biggest cheerleader and the biggest asshole. So
and I would I believed both of them with Actually,
I think I probably before times believed the negative voices more.
And I think there was when the shift happened. I
think there was a lot of conversation with myself that
(31:34):
was like, well, let's be rational and if you're going
to spend a lot of time thinking about the negative stuff,
then you should spend the equal amount of time thinking
about the positive stuff. Like if we're really seeking yeah,
if we're really seeking balance, then the same amount of
time I am looking in the mirror going oh this,
Oh I don't like this, I don't like this, I
(31:54):
better spend the same amount of time looking in the
mirror going oh I love this, and I love this
and I love this. Right, and if I think something
about the balance, we are meant to live in a
type of equilibrium, right, So it's when we are doing
too much of one thing that we were literally out
(32:15):
of balance and can't function as well. So when you're
then forced to look in the mirror and say nice
things or forced to like give your resume, you know,
I was also in and you guys must know this too,
Like you're in spaces with other people that are pointing
really interesting questions to you, and those questions can also
ship like what are you know? I remember I was
(32:36):
at a lunch where the prompt, the icebreaker was like,
introduce yourself the way your proudest relative would talk, would
introduce you. Oh I love that. What did you were
you like? Oh no? Are you like? Oh no? Do
you immediately start sobbing.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yeah, you're like, oh no, right, because you're like okay,
well Glorita, you know, like uh, you know, it's like,
oh my man, okay, like and then once you and
then I think also, like a gift I would give everybody,
especially people not in this industry, is that when we
do panels, you guys, they they introduce us, you know,
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they give like a little mini resume before you go
onto a stage.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
And I want people in real life to do this
for each other. I want people in real life to say, like, amazing,
mom crushed the PTA dinner. Did that you know makes
amazing lunches for her daughter every day.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
It's Pamela, you know, like you know, like next time
you have a dinner party, yes, when you haven't, like
for your birthday parties, you guys, have your friends do
like introductions, like we have to like sit in that
celebratory thing more because that's a.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Story we are telling that the story your friend is
telling about you to you. Yeah, and we kind of
just do thatt on birthdays maybe if we're lucky, uh,
if we're lucky maybe.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
I mean. The sad thing is it happens at funerals,
right when like you can't even fucking hear it, like
when it's too late, like wow, And you know, at
a funeral, people get they make speeches, they talk about
all the incredible things this person did for them, And
like maybe that also happens at a wedding maybe, but
(34:27):
like that's it. So like let's say you get married
at twenty five and you don't die till you're like
one hundred and five, that you're going.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
So many decades, long time, a long time without anyone
just like being like, here's all the things that I
think are incredible about you and what you mean to me.
I love that.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Like yes, dinner parties, birthdays, like let's just unabashedly celebrate
around the table, go around the table.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
It makes my stomach hurt.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I don't like not.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I didn't even have speeches at my wedding. Melissa can
tell you that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You did not.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Or better.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Or better, I didn't have speeches there. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. I didn't really have speeches at my wedding either.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
What is that? Know though? Just out of curiosity, what's
the no?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Well, Some of the no was like my husband's parents
and they're you know, like I just didn't I was
like not inviting, like let's about our heads and have
a weird like no, no, no, right. Some of it
was that like I wanted the celebration to be I
don't know, I just didn't want to like a big
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old speechy.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I just didn't want it. It felt like why didn't
I want it?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, like I guess I just didn't want like
I wanted everyone to have their own experience of the
wedding and I wanted it to be like a party and.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Like, well in life, like if we were if we
were to go to would you be uncomfortable if Melissa
and I said nice things about you?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
No, but I would be uncomfortable being like you guys
are invited to my party and you all have to
write down like three nights.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well yeah no, but that sounds like home. Yeah. I
get that's great. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I get like it was my bed and spontaneous, spontaneously.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, you don't want to make it homework for people,
but if it happened, I would say, I would say
that that is the that the gift would be a
friend should do this for you. We should be doing
it for yourself. Are you a friend? How about be
the friend that does this for your friend, but don't
demand your friends do this for you because that's gross
and that's weird. There we go. Yeah, but yeah, like
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I love how you kind of said it.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Like, you know, if I'm having a dinner party, every
time someone arrives, I'm opening the door and being saying and.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Walking in and walking in ragging at five five looking good.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, Like, if it's the thing you're doing for others,
like what are we doing for others? That that that's
a good distinction. I think that's actually an important distinction.
I think so Yeah, as opposed to saying I'm giving
you all homework.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
For my brain.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You're invited to, but you have to say really nice
things about me.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Everyone is gonna get a one and a half minute
speech about what.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
My god, I'm Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You're right. It's an important distinction. Yeah, it is. It is.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I also think, like, you know, if we're talking about
like authenticity as a in in life and then how
it relates to our work, right, Like we play pretend,
we make up stories. We like all three of us right, Like,
we're all in the arts and that's what we do.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So when you think.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
About your own writing, how how do you kind of
like figure out where to bring yourself and where to
like use your imagination and is it the same thing?
You know? Like I mean, as I asked the question,
I'm like, that's all just that's all you kind of.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
All the same thing. I mean, here, here's the thing.
So I'm writing. I'm literally writing a play right now,
and there's ideas that I know I want to put
in the play. There's thoughts I'm having about the plays
about payliative care and about watching your parents die and
what does that bring up for young people, right for siblings,
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for these siblings, And there are ideas that I'm having,
but I don't know what the connective tissue of those
things is yet. So I kind of go into a
scene thinking, all right, I want to talk about this
one thing and how do I get into it, and
how do I get out of it? And how do
I have fun within it? And how do I show
each person's specific character and point of view on this
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one topic. Because I also really try in my work
to you know, I really feel like my work is
about building bridges. I'm not interested in dividing. I really
want to center it in love and connection and that
we need to find a way to talk to each other.
And so it's great for me to have characters who
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disagree and great to have characters who are fighting about
things and who are speaking their own truths and the
things that I learn from that, because I deeply want
to understand people that I disagree with, because I think
at our core, if we talk face to face, what
we're going to find is we actually care about the
same things. We just have a different way of going
about it. And the sooner we can realize like we're
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just we just all want to keep our family safe,
and we all just want to be able to thrive,
and we all just want like, we all really do
want these things, and it's often fear the thing that
divides us. And the sooner we can state our fear
out loud and connect with one another over what we
love and what we fear, then maybe the fear can
be turned down. So that's kind of how I enter
(39:47):
these scenes, And yeah, that's how I go in. So
like it'll start with something, but then I'll make something up,
or I'll make another thing, you know, like there will
be little things that come and go in between that,
and then I allow in the writing play as well,
like sometimes I go off on crazy tangents that I'm like,
I'm probably gonna cut this later, but let's go there
(40:09):
now for fun, you know, and see what happens, because
it came up and let's see. But yeah, I think
that it's always coming for me, obviously because I'm the
writer of it. But then I am trying to insert
other ideas into it to try to get to the
bottom of some central truth to bring about connection.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah you always thought that way about your work? Have
you always been like I, I'm coming from a place
where I want to like create connection between characters.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, and coming from yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yes, I saw something recently. I saw something recently it
kind of blew my mind too, where it said if
you if you're the funny one in your family, you
probably had a depressed parent.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh oh cool, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Cool, that's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's cool. So who were And I was like, oh,
and that's like, who were you initially trying to make laugh?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
My dad?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And in life, what are we doing? What are we
displaying what kid? Like I have one kid that's the
funny one. And is it because I've been more authentic
with him about my mental health and he knows that,
right yeah, and that's okay and talking about those things
because like I grew up in house where you don't.
We're happy, happy, joy joy. They experience awful things to
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come to this country and that was in the rear
view mirror. And we're not talking about that. Everything is great,
everything is at me And it was, I mean, they
built a beautiful life and it was a very happy life,
but it was like, can we talk about the cube stuff? No, okay,
we're not talking about when you were children and came
here and lived in a camp. Nope, okay, cool cool cool.
(41:44):
So it's and seeing how I wanted to do the opposite.
I always want to talk about everything a nauseum, right.
So now I have children, one of whom is like,
do we have to talk about Maybe we don't have
to talk about everything. Maybe my son the other day
we were in the car. My son says, you know, mom,
not every car ride has to be a ted talk.
(42:05):
Oh my god, it's really funny. Oh god, fair enough,
fair enough, let's listen to some tunes and single sing songs.
That's fair, fair, it is so good. Oh listen, that's
I love it so when they when my kids burn me,
I love it so much because it's like the ultimate mirror.
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And I also love that they feel comfortable enough to
say it, you know, and it's done in a loving way.
It's always done so lovingly, but like they're here to
teach us so much. I'm so lucky. I think I
think my kids are the coolest people ever.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I like, I just wrote down a loving A loving
burn is a mirror. I like that because I probably
would have cried really yeah yeah if Roz was like
you know, mom, not every I mean yeah, I would
have been like.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Pain you imagine here, let me paint a picture. I
feel like when Steph and I first met, I am
like the my whole family, Like everybody was like a
ball buster, like so there was joy Latin definitely like
flavors of what you Yeah, like, we don't really talk
about the horrific things that happened before we came here,
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except when I got older.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I think they did.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
But everybody was just uh, it was a very like
jokey household it was a lot of people making fun
of each other in my house. And also I think
Jersey is just like that, and I don't do that
to everybody, but if I love you, I will definitely
make fun of you, like that is one of my
love languages. And it took Steph and I like a
minute for me to convince her that I was not
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trying to be you loved her, that I loved her.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I was also really I mean that like again, you're
like going back to this idea of like how do
you get more better at off City? Like I was
so terrified in my own skin at thirty three, you know,
when we first met, I just like didn't know. I mean,
I had this inkling of like who maybe I could become,
but it was so it was like this nascent inner
(44:15):
feeling that was like not it hadn't come yet really,
and I was like grinding away trying to get at it.
And so like when things would happen like on set
or like in interactions and I felt stung by them,
it was brutal. It was brutal, and it felt like raw,
you know, I just felt.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like raw all the time on set.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I was just like, oh, like I remember I cried
one day in my I cried in my dressing room
because Melissa and Andy and.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Joe, I think, were like, hit your mark?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Why can't you hit your mark?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
No, there were many listen, there were many times. There
were many times it was like, oh, you dropped your gun.
Oh you didn't hate your own mark. Oh why didn't
you come in? I'm like, why did you let the
thing swing onto somebody's leg behind you?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
And now we have to do it again?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And like I would hold it together on set, but
like I would go back to my room and be like.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So we're doing that all all to each other. It
was all, it was all.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
It was all that I've only felt, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
because I was so inside my thing of like you
have to be perfect, you have to You can't let
them know that, like you don't know what you're doing,
that you're from the theater and you've never been on
a set, and like you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
You can't let them see that. If I had just
been brave enough.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That's the story you were telling yourself.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, And I had just been brave enough to be like, right,
I'm actually new at this, So I'm learning as I go,
not automatically. I'm horrible at this, but like this is
my first time, so I am learning as I go.
I'm like, oh, that's probably a mistake I won't make
very many more times because now I know, you know,
but I just wasn't able to give myself that softness
at the time, Like I just couldn't do it, you know.
(46:00):
But now we bust each other's balls all the time.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Also, why do we call it busballs?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
It's so gross. I don't know. I know, I don't know.
It's not gross.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
But if my kid makes fun of me, I will cry.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But think about that. Think about that because I would
invite you to do work now, because what you don't
want too is the moment your kid's authentic with you,
you have an emotional reaction no.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Because then she'll be like, oh, I can't do that
because I don't want to hurt my mom.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, oh my god, I can't. Yeah, I can't be myself.
I can't call mom out. Or some kids will be like,
I'm gonna do that all the time. I'm gonna do
that all the time. I'll push that button. I'm gonna
push that button.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
Yeah, I just got some big reaction and connection through
that moment.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I love it. I love so much when they sit
in their truth of what they're experiencing in the moment
through my husband and I. I freaking love it. I
love it so much because it's like, oh, you're you're learning,
you're learning, like and yeah, sometimes I can. I think that,
you know. I think this is also like the working
parent guilt is that I'm like, when I am with
them for a window of time, I feel like I
(47:08):
have did like do all my parenting. Yeah, yeah, my god.
And what they want, Yeah, what they want is just
like just like hang out and drive, dude, just like
drive and we'll listen to music.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Like it's fine, don't be like doing your weird Ted
talk about like yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, it's real.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Like David, my husband, was like was talking about how
he recently lost his mom and he was talking about
like what he didn't realize until he was older is
the days where it was like we're having breakfast for
dinner and they were like, yeah, those were the days
that she thought she was failing, right, you know that
she was like, oh my god, I'm giving my kids pancakes,
(47:47):
Like oh no, and.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
They loved it.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah. The day that like we think where it's like, okay,
guess what it's in and out? Yeah, go, they're like
fast food.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
We never get this, yeah, and they all love it.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
And you know it's it's just it's that soft voice.
It's like, we have to allow the softness. Yes, there's
we have to allow. We have to allow equal So
if there's gonna be meanness, there has.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
To be happy, more better.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I like that as the takeaway is like and I
think that is something that I've that I know, but
it's nice to be reminded of that.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
If I'm gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Oh my god, this is I'm horrible at this and
I'm the worst and I'm the then I also have
to be like, I'm actually pretty good at this, and
look at how cute this is or you know, whatever
it is that I'm criticizing in that moment or like
trying to get better at doesn't have to come from
a critical, shitty, mean voice. It can come from a
(48:49):
place of like.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You're still learning about this, so like that's good, you
did a great job.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Just how I try to talk to Roz until she
fucking mouths off in the back of the car and
Charlie told me that I'm doing a ted talk. I
won't stand for it. Melissa, what's your takeaway today?
Speaker 5 (49:09):
Oh my gosh, I am going to be laughing about
that tech talk joke for a long time.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
It's honestly really funny. Here's the thing steps if you're.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
So funny, and that's the thing too, if you have
a funny kid, it's like, yeah, prepare yourself because yeah,
she is funny. She is so get ready then like
that funny shit and so makes fun of me all
the time.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
But he's like testing out like.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
What boundaries boundaries and what works and also just like
is that funny? Like you know, he'll like wait for
the laugh. Oh my gosh. So many amazing gems that
you dropped on us today, Gloria. I think my takeaway
the biggest one I'm taking with me today is uh,
the not letting people, not letting the story people are
(49:51):
telling about you in right, and just like sticking true.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
To like your story.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
You know yourself, you know the story you're telling, you
know who you are and yeah that was a chef's kiss.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, or if you don't know who you are, like
if you're like, oh, I don't know, Like there's probably
a little flame of something in there that you can
like tend to.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I also feel like people
should write down their story, even for their kids or grandkids.
They should tell they should write it down or or
voice memo it, Like I would what I would kill
to have my grandmother telling the story of her life
on my phone that I could just listen to sometimes.
Oh my god, Oh that would be such a gem.
(50:38):
And so like everybody should at some point say, this
is who I was, and this is what I did,
and this is what I cared about, and this is
what I fought through, and these are the things I
found challenging, and this is the growth that I went through.
And at the end of the day, this was what
I'm most proud of. Like, oh my gosh, oh my god.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
That makes me want to like literally make every person
I'm related to to do that. Send out a mass
email dear friends and family, please in.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
The next five years before anything gets sad. Before open
the voice notes started beginning as far back as you
can remember, it's already sad. Things are. It's sad, it's
we're doing it's now it's now do you guys.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
We can't end on that, but we can't have.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
No Yeah, sorry I took a dark turn. Sorry everything
happy thing. I blame the day quill.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think I do want to say, like before we
wrap up, like, uh, the the thing that I think
is like, and this is a work thing, but I
do think storytelling and sharing stories, especially in media now,
is a way to shape and connect us, right, And
(51:58):
like a lot of a lot of the talk is like, well,
my algorithm's feeding me this, so that's what I'm seeing, right,
And and that's true, But I also think like something
important to do for yourself is to sort of seek
out stories that aren't necessarily your that don't reflect back your.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Own echo chamber.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, your own echo chamber.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yeah, right, And because like building empathy and sympathy, mostly
empathy for.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
People that are very different from you.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
Like culture's, socioeconomic groups, like all of it, right, Like,
so much of that empathy is built when you're listening
to story and narrative story.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
I think a lot.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I guess I just wanted to say, I think it's
very cool what you do, Gloria, And like I'm not
a writer, I'm pretty good at writing jokes. But I'm
not like a writer, Like I'm not a world builder necessarily,
not in the way that you are.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
And I think it's very I think we're just lucky
to have writers. I think we're very, very lucky to
have writers.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
And I don't know that everybody that watches TV thinks
about that, but I would encourage the art listeners and
like to think about that the next time that you're
watching stuff. It's like, oh, somebody, this came from someone's brain.
There was a lot, a lot to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
But like this is somebody.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
Like this came from somebody's brain, Like someone told the story.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
And their heart and their life experience and like their
unique path through this crazy thing called life.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Like I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
I think writers are the most important piece of this whole,
like Hollywood puzzle. But yeah, so grateful to have you
on today, Gloria.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
I think you're so happy with you guys. Thanks for
having me. Thanks. I was a great kind of on
topic sort of doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
I feel more better, do you, Melissa?
Speaker 5 (54:02):
I feel so much more better, Except you're gonna feel
really good when you get another dose of that data.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Sleepa day quill the good stuff. This is not sponsored
by night club. This is not sponsored, but you know
give us Paul.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
We're always uh wedding again, Gloria, thanks again for being
on and everybody will.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
See you next week.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
See you next week, Bye.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Bye, More and more Better. Do you have something you'd
like to be more better at that you want us
to talk about in the future episode.
Speaker 5 (54:39):
Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried
one of our tips and tricks?
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at Morebetter pod at
gmail dot com and include a voice note if you
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Stephanie Melissa is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's
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Speaker 1 (55:00):
More Better is produced by.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
ISIS Madrid and Sophie Spencer Zabos.
Speaker 5 (55:04):
Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Fumero, along
with Wilmar Valderrama and Leo Clem at w V Sound
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Speaker 2 (55:13):
This episode was edited.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
By ISIS Madrid and engineered by Sean Tracy and features
original music by Madison Davenport and Hello Boy. Our cover
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Speaker 1 (55:29):
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