Ep 174: Entitled Fans or celeb a$$holes?! Fan fights/Death!? Rodney Harrison says no pics!! Pro Football Doc

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Love for you guys, as you got love for your
boy out here. And you know how we start off
every show, well, what's up with that dude? Well, yesterday
I continued on my journey of weight loss through natural
ways of losing weight because I was sick, man, I
was whoa every hole I had.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Something was coming let me stop, all right.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So basically I was just throwing up and leaking and
it was bad. But uh, I'm good now it passed through,
your boy, it was all good. I did not eat
all day yesterday, and then last night my wife was
like have you eaten? And I was like no, and
that was all I needed to hear. I don't know
what she said to me other than that, but it

(01:13):
just sounded like she said, go get some neat. It's
all I had was some chicken noodle soup. What is
it about? What did they do to us growing up?
What did campbells do to us? Because I was like,
I ain't had no chicken noodle soup and forever, and frankly,
I wasn't even craving it, but it just felt like
I'm sick. I need chicken noodle soup. And it hit
the spot. I opened up three cans of that time too.

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I ain't finished all three, but two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I was in the zone, y'all. Oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Other than that, yesterday we had practice my son basketball practice.
So long story short, he switched where he's playing basketball.
Let me tell you how it starts. This high it starts.
We started off, okay, he can't play for his school
because his school, let's just say, is athletically challenge, academically inclined,

(02:00):
athletically challenge. The little kids all of them got left feet,
and like four of them, not even two of them,
four of them, right, So they all good kids, but
very few athletes. There very few, but they're there. So
we're like, not playing at school. So then you don't
play at the school. You go to the local park, right,
and then you find a convenient park around you and
you just hope. And there were some good kids there.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
The rules and.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Some of the issues there made us say, we need
a little different level of competition, a little more focused,
and let them play basketball more. It was turned into
football out there a little bit, you know, local stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Sorry, Matt.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Then we drive way out like twenty thirty minutes. So
we go to the Sports Academy, which is really good.
It's what Kobe Bryant owned at first the Mamba Academy,
then they sold that after his death and now it's
called the Sports Academy. You walk up in there, you
literally think you at the NBA Combines.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's for eight year olds.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
It's like nine thousand kids playing basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
But what I love about it this one. Soon as
you see that, you realize, oh, you ain't the only
one that won't this. That's good.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's a good lesson. Second thing is you see the
level of competition. You're like, these kids can play cat's
doing behind the back, doing step backs, doing euro steps
at this age, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But MJ out there balling, y'all. MJ big man. He
a young He a youngster for his age group, like
he ate me a young eight. He good, he getting good. Good.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's fun to see because he's stepping up to what's
surrounding him. He's like, oh, y'all want to do that,
I'm gonna do that plus something, and then they do something,
they try to plus him, and then it's just that
good osmosis going on. So it's fun to see. So
went through that. It was good.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Me and Jesse our coach. We got a good squad.
We undefeated.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
We played the undefeated team this weekend on Friday.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wish us well.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Then I was driving home from practice and I was
listening to a show that I like, and it's actually
The Stephen Asen Smith Show, which is his podcast. So
I was listening to that and I'm a big stephen
Ah Smith fan. I know a lot of people think
I got smoke with him. I don't do smoke, y'all.
I do the truth and then that's it. I'm good.
I'm gonna speak to you. If you don't like me,

(04:09):
that's a one way street. I still mess with you.
So I still listen to his show, and I listen
to his show, and I caught some sneak dissing, right,
So now I don't want Stephen A.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Smith to respond to me. I'm just telling y'all how
I am. This is me to.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Y'all, not me to him. I don't need a response.
I'm not built for that. I'm not in that game.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
But I heard him sneak discing, and he was talking
about people, and it's kind of like I used to
talking about horsecope.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
She ever read a horsecope And it's so general that
they could mean everybody, but it's so specific that you
think they're talking to you, and you're like, wait a minute.
So I'm not a fan of sneak discing. If he's
talking about me, he is. If he's not, Oh well,
my bad. I take all this back.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So here's the thing. My coach always told me say
names and numbers. So when I talk about somebody, I'm
always gonna say they name and number.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Know they' my friend, even though I'm a fan of them,
even though I like him, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm going to say your name and number because I
ain't playing that game. You know that game, because that
game is the one that gets twisted. You know that's
throwing your rocks and I'm throwing the rocks and.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Hid in your hands. You know, that's how.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Things get really confused out here. I ain't got no
problem with Steven A. Smith and or his fans. Y'all
can stop beating them up in his comments, and y'all
can stop coming over here saying when you're gonna say
something else about him, or the only thing you do
is talk about them.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't. I got a lot of topics, y'all like
to Ceevin A. Smith topics.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
We know why, so all good, all love always gonna
support him as long as he doing what he's doing
because I like what he does. That's it, all right,
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Speaker 1 (06:40):
And another mister Anonymous. I love this anonymous. Only thing
is is like I'm trying to thank you too, and
You're like, nah, I'm good. I don't need no thanks.
You're bigger than me. I would love to thank you
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Speaker 2 (06:53):
We'll appreciate it, all right. Speaking of people I love
and people I know and I rock with, I gotta
talk about boy right now.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Anthony Mackie. Yes, y'all know who Anthony Mackie is. All
the way back to what was at eight mile, all
the way to now. He is Captain America and that's
the homie. But he unsparked a debate after refusing to take.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
A picture with a young fan.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Think the little kid was eleven, even though he been
eating like he been here longer than eleven.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
A little bit kid. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
So there was video footage of the incident. They shared
it online. Look, when I first read the headline, I
was like, oh, here we going. I hate entitled ass fans.
I hate entitled people, but fans especially. But let me
get into that later. So I judged this story before
I even read it. But I said, let me read
through it and give y'all the real dope on it.

(07:43):
So he initially denied a request for a picture with
a young little kid, right, and then.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
The video gained attention.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Everybody started talking about it, and basically the beats of
it was woman named Andra shared her frustration online because
she stated that she went up to Anthony Mackie take
a picture what her son, knowing already that Anthony Mackie
doesn't take pictures with kids.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's what she said.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
And then Andra's mother, she went up there took the
young boy because you know her Grandma's be like, I
wear him down with this sweetness, right, I go up
there with that love.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
He can't say no to me.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm an elder, right, And Mackie still declined.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So then a few former fans. You know how it goes.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Whenever you got a narrative out there, people gonna go, oh,
so now former fans, former fans.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know why they former fans.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh, Anthony Mackie, this me too, He just me too,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, So that's how it went down.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Now, I'm not gonna character assassinate the lady, even though
there's some pictures and some discovery of her online that
says Anthony Mackie shouldn't be the role model for your kid.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You should be because you need to fix your life.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
But I digress, even though I already went there, huh,
here we go. Let me talk about the word entitle
in this situation. We know where fans are coming from. Hey,
I pay your salary, man, I support your movies.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I watch you.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you know what, when I get to see you
in real life, I know it ain't on the screen,
but guess what You and I gonna have a one
on one. You and I gonna break this little barrier
right now, this privacy that you are protected with when
you're doing your job, and that's.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Why I really love you. Oh I'm gonna show you
all that in public.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, So fans walk up to you empowered, entitled because
they pay for the tickets, right, they show the love
they got, the fanfare, the pandemonium, they're fanatics, they buy
the merch. They do all those things to support you.
And I think people get it lost. You don't know

(09:42):
that person. You know what that person is doing, so
all of that energy is directed and supporting what they're doing.
But do not make the miscalculation of when you see
them out in public, that they are doing what you
are supporting. No, this is a whole different animal now, right.
It's like seeing a football player playing the game. Ah,

(10:03):
then he take off his clothes. You better not walk
up to him going ah, maybe you could, maybe you don't,
but don't expect you're gonna get the answer and response
that you desire, because.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
He ain't doing that no more. He ain't turning the
corner no more to get a sack.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
He trying to get into the car and strap on
the seatbelt and you stopping the car door from closing,
because you gotta make sure you show him how much
you love him, show him how much you love him
by how much he's doing on his job, at his job,
on the screen, on the field. But when it comes
to the real world experience, you gotta let that go.

(10:41):
And I understand that people don't want to hear that, right.
I understand that people are like, Yo, what's up with that?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Why not? Now let me.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Give you guys some ammunition. I do it to a fault, almost,
ask my wife. I always give fans autographs, pictures, et cetera.
And I don't do it to hear everyone say you're
so down to earth.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Or you're so nice, you're so approachable. No, Frankly, I
got the disease of loving people.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I just love people. I just love I don't care
who you are. I chop up would with anybody. My
boys know it.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
They hate it. We used to always go out and
they'd be like, why are you sitting there talking to
this dude? You just met him? Like we've about to
go in there, And I'm like, I know, after I
talked to this dude, I just met it now, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm just built that way. But that doesn't mean everybody
should be. And that certainly doesn't mean I'm better than
somebody else. Anthony Mackie deserves his private time. I've hung
out with Makie. We were just in Vegas a few
months ago, a couple months ago.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's a thing.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's a thing for him, it's a thing for me,
but it's a different thing for him because he's Captain
America but dem and he ain't saving the planet when
he out there just chilling in New Orleans and you
weren't up to him with your kid. And this is
a bad part of it. You got that kid gasped up.
This kid is leaving videos talking about how disappointed he was.
Who appointed that kid to think he can run up

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to a celebrity and think he gets what he wants.
That's called entitled, and that's not the positive way of
how you should look at entitlement.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
You should give that kid.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
As I just read this in a different lane, kids
need to be prepared in an honest, realistic fashion by
their parents. Parents need to make sure you tell your
kids everything real and everything honestly.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Give you an example.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Walking around telling your kids that words don't hurt is
a lie. They do hurt because if one tells you
that someone says something to you, you might feel something.
But let them know that their words and their thoughts
of themselves are more important than what someone else's words.
But don't say that the other person words don't hurt.

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Another thing is also the fact that you can't tell
these kids they could be anything they want to be,
not anything. You could be something and you could be
amazing at that something, but not anything.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do anything. Principal got these kids thinking them two left
feet kids thinking they gone bro. Man, the dude can't
even walk. I ain't gonna run.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Like It's okay, y'all be honest, give realistic perspective to
set them up for success, or else your kid is
gonna be disappointed, and only disappointed because he was raised
improperly or told improperly that he can do whatever he wants.
I see that guy from TV in real life. I
get to go talk to that guy?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah say?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
And Anthony, to his credit, actually had a long conversation
with the kid, but the kid didn't want that because
the parents didn't tell the kid what he should really
have wanted, which is just an opportunity to say hello
to one of your heroes. Right, that's good enough, ain't it.
Damn it's crazy because I see it like this too.
Sometimes it gets too much for me.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And y'all know me. I'm the king of the chicken wings.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Like, if you get too much, too close, I'll hit
you in one of those real quick. That ain't the salt,
that's just me extending my arms. But I've learned how
to do it, like I'm my own bodyguard. Ain't nobody
gonna mess with me. So I'm fine, But I see
when it's too much. Sometimes, you know, I got my
kids with me, my itty biddies, and then know somebody
run up on me, run up on me again? Have
it that the charge of game this weekend?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Come, come, come, And I'm like, okay, y'all gotta get
me space though, you know, cause I'm here in priority
for these itty biddies and for the game, not just
for your selfies. Right.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So another thing that happens just to take you guys
behind the veil is when you say one, you see one,
and he comes up, you say.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes to one, You saying yes to them all. It
happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It takes that one person to lead the wall and
finally say hey, hey, Wiley, Hey Max, you can I
get a pick?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah? And as soon as you say yeah, turner, turner, turner.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
But before that, nobody was cause they like, oh oh oh.
And this ain't the like pat ourselves on the back.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
This ain't for none of that.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is just to let people know, hey, I am
celebrating what they do, but right now they ain't doing that.
So why am I celebrating like they doing that? I
got to come at them like a human being, like
a real person.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
But another reason, let me give you another reason why
I do it. I always take pictures and always cool.
It beats the alternative, Yes it does.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
It beats the alternative or going somewhere, and frankly, no
one cares you're there. No one knows your name, you're nameless,
you're anonymous. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I get that. I used to be that kid. Obviously
I grew up like that, you know, like nobody cared.
So I know that feeling of like damn. So I
see why people got orange hair, purple hair, twenty eight piercings,
chains coming out they nose connected to their ears.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
To their eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know, I see why people do that, because they
just really are asking for that attention, not so much
to the attention of like look at.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Me, but just notice that I am a part of
this as well.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Celebrities get that given in abundance, and a lot of
times we just take it for granted, and a lot
of times we also get.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Perturbed by it.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
But there are circumstances where you're like, oh, yeah, sure,
sure on my watch.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Because this is my time, because this is my life,
that's my profession.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Just tell the kids the right things, man, tell them
to go up to them with the expectations, say hello,
how are.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
What happened to that? Remember when we grew up? Hey,
how are you? Nobody even does that. Now they say
happy Monday. You know what that's like? Happy Monday? What
do you mean?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
What's you talking? What's the day? Tuesday? Happy Tuesday? Then
all right, I'm like, no, say hi, how are you?
And now we don't even go by those beats run
up on me? Because you paid money to see me
and I'm a good actor. Now expect me to have
to do whatever you want in this moment. I ain't
like this at all. So what's your best encounter with
a celebrity? Let me hear what that is, and what's
your worst encounter with a celebrity like man, My best

(17:02):
encounter with a celebrity, Uh, probably when I met ice
Cube for the first time.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I met ice Cbe for the first time and I
was fan man and he held it. He was cool
with me.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
He did his best to be like, yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah,
you're dope man, dope man, Yeah that's me. He was
just like, okay, and I'm old. At that time, I
was just like, I love ice Cube. He upraised me,
so I just couldn't hold it back. My worst encounter
was with Carl Lewis when I was little. Uh, Carl Lewis,
I'm a little track star myself. I'd run up on
him at Mount Sack while he's warming up, ignorant, warming.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Up for the track meet, and I run up on
Carl Lewis. I said, hey, Carlos, how you doing it all?
I got? Can't you sign this?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He's like no, I'm warming up and kept it pushing
and I'll sound like this little kid right here.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I was disappointed. I was devastated.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Man, I was wrong. I had the dude work it out,
like leave him alone. Fast forward twenty some years. Guess
who's at my party at my VIP table at this
party I had downtown at Prince's old club, Glam Slam
Carl Lewis, and I told him that story. I was like, hey, man,
you shook me when I was little. You try to
diss me and I was like, I'm just playing.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
You really were in the right. He was like, oh
my god, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Coolest guy ever. Man.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
He was in his space, on his watch, on his time,
doing what he wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So respect to that.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And do y'all think that, like celebs are obligated to
talk to fans, take pictures with fans. What do you
think that obligation looks like? Because I know it's a line.
You can't say, hey, how you doing Captain America? Shut
up like we ain't doing that. But at the same time,
you're doing something. But you ain't got to do everything
you want too. You ain't got to sign off your life.
You're will indeed as well. So what's the line? What

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do you think that celebs are obligated to do?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Interesting. Man.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
We saw a Marvel star who was like, hey, man,
be real not taking a picture with the kid who
I know the kid thought he was a superhero, but
learned a valuable lesson about expectations and entitlement and more importantly,
if the kid really has its head screwed on straight,
hopefully mama and daddy's doing that.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
The kid got a conversation with Captain America. Salute to that.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
They hello, ooh, that was a perfect push.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Got back inf here man. Love for you guys.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
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talk about this. Vegas Raiders fan came to the game
and got involved in a little aut cation with a
Charger fan Homie.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, So I go to the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Game this weekend, get there mid to late second quarter
because I was coaching my own team to defeat.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Come on, coach Wiley, what happened to you? Phil Belichick?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Woo.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Let me just get this out the way.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
My son and our team were the youngest team out
there because we all just moved up a group. We
got eight seasons at this division. Y'all bet what deonceay,
y'all better get us now. Y'all better get us now
because we coming now. We gonna probably win the championship
this year. I'm saying it anyway. So I'm up in
the stadium. You know, as soon as you walk in.
I always video tape my kids going up the stairs

(20:36):
because when they go up the stairs, Wow, you get
to see the lights, You get to see all of
a sudden the stadium, you get to see all of
a sudden the field and the players.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'll show you all the videos. Check my socials sick
and then he's oh, and then you can see the
kids going there. Then go to our seats. Look around.
It's dark in there because there's Raider fans. It's dark.
It's like eighty twenty, maybe ninety.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But y'all got to dispel the myth of like, oh,
y'all fan beast, your fan base is weak.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's why it's like that. No way, it ain't.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Raiders fans sit there and circle the schedule and say
Charger game for show, because it's la simple as that.
Like when the Raiders had the Pittsburgh Steelers there, the
Steelers fans circle their Raiders game simply because they wanted
to go to Vegas. It's that simple. So anyway they
deep up in there, we could see it all that.
Raider fans are cool with me. I ain't got no

(21:29):
problem with them. They're a little more animated than the normal,
but they ain't tripping all of those masks and costumes.
That's a real person in there.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Not to say that they don't act up, but just
to say I ain't got no problems with them. All right,
So the fight began when the Raiders fan confront of
the Justin Herbert fan wearing a powder blue jersey and
got in his face. You know how it goes and
then the Herbert supporter responded head butting them back and
then delivered the punch w W, knocking them to the ground.

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And then after that punch, he was hit by more
punches and then got pushed down several rolls and stairs.
So then the dude in this Woodson Jersey intervened to
break up the fights so it wouldn't go any first
because already looking real bad out there. All right now,
nobody knows what happened from that point, at least I don't.
And we know the Chargers won the game twenty four
to seventeen. Blah blah blah. Let me tell y'all what's

(22:19):
going on at these games. We used to call them
the yellow Jackets. Y'all know the yellow jackets, the ushers, right,
and every game them yellow jackets go to work. Every
game they got to put out some fights. And then
amazing the NFL's image. The NFL's like hold togetherness and families,

(22:40):
and you would think of the NFL as I couldn't
call it family friendly if you go to the games,
But I also wouldn't call it a frat party, you know,
like I bring my kids to the games. I see
a lot of parents bring their kids to the games,
but at the same time, you bring them to the
games with a little anxiety like something may go down.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
You know that, But you.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Also don't go there and say, hey, we about to
go there and be reckless too. So what's that play here?
Let me tell you one. And at the Raider games
they cut off the alcohol at halftime most games. Is
after the third quarter Raider games halftime because every one
of these incidents, one hundred and one percent of the time,
alcohol is involved.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Crazy every single time, y'all.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Remember this year a guy got killed at the New
England Patriots game because he got hit hit his head
on the chair of the ground and then died thereafter.
I remember when I played against the Raiders twenty some
years ago. We talking about Qualcobb and a fan got
stabbed at the game, and I remember reading that, like,

(23:49):
I'm playing the game and then they up there watching
us play the game.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
But they got so caught up in it.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Whatever the end it is that they had to go
to blows to stab it, how do you get away
there in the first place.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So I'm thinking through all these stories and I'm like, man,
I done seen some crazy stuff over the years, and
a lot of it's been that Chargers Raiders rivalry, right,
because we all know rivalries are greater by the fans
than they are by the players, because the players may
get traded, the players may have homies on the other team.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
We going hard, but y'all going way harder. Right.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So I remember one time to get y'all some just
some rapid fire stories. I was running, no driving to
the stadium, running maybe on time. It felt like if
it was too much traffic, maybe a little late. You
gotta get there a couple hours before the game, right,
And I'm like, damn, it's too much traffic. But it
was the Raiders game.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
And then all of a sudden the freeway stops.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
And people always think like, how y'all get to the game, Like,
y'all get to the game. You see that car right
next to you. Maybe it's a nice car, maybe it's
not point being that's me. I'm in the car too. Now,
I maybe tended to the fullest because I ain't trying
to be dealing with all y'all. Oh my god, that's
so and so you know whatever it is, but you
you know you're doing this you seeing the flags go

(25:10):
by and all that. It's pretty cool, right, great experience.
But I remember one time, so much traffic it stopped
freeway not moving at all, and I'm like, damn, gonna
be late. Come on, man, now I'm thinking about getting
the shoulder. Look to the side. Guess what's happening. The
raider fans had stopped the freeway, start tailgating on the freeway,

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barbecue pits out in awe.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I was like, damn, and I can't lie as a player.
I was hype. I was like, oh, this is dope.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I said, I ain't gonna be late, and if I
am late, this is the best reason these foods are foods.
But then I was like I looked at the other side,
and now see some guy. He just sitting there in
the middle of the freeway, just peing, just urinating, just
like whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Dog like they took over the city.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
That was their way of showing disrespect to San Diego.
This hour, we stop y'all freeways with pee on y'all streets, etc.
I was like, all right, that was crazy, But they
don't know how crazy I am. They don't know how
crazy my family is because we used to happen a
lot of my games is my family would show up,
especially my mom, and they come up already hydrated. So

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you know, we got to be at the stadium by eleven.
I'm leaving at like ten, my mom and them there
by nine talking about what's up. And I'm like, it's
so funny because they don't understand, or they do understand
and don't care.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I gotta go to work and they like partying.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
So they show up with they kun Chaka vodka, the
cheap vodka, and they pounding.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
They spend y'all to cheap wine and they lit.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I'm like, damn, I gotta focus and go to work
and y'all pumped. So y'all know why some teams still
even on home games, you gotta go to the hotel
cause they really want you to be focused because you
go home and like I did, I was at home
after the hotel.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
They partied. They are not locked in. It's crazy. And
then you got to navigate around there.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Hey, they never offered me liquor, like nephew, you want something,
but they be they already got the links going. They're like,
you know, pre food all gone. I'm like, Dawn, can
you call down Cheetos and stuff like that. You know,
I can't stop eat no Cheetos. I can't no cheetos
before the game. Just crazy. But I looked at it like, Wow,

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their mindset is I'm about to party up. My mindset
is I'm about to go out there and put in
some work and we coexisting, no problem. But then see
them at the game, they acting a donkey, and then
after the game coming back.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
To the crib acting even crazier.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
And we used to have some postgame parties that were
next level, next level, like ballers for real.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I get into those stories another time. But the one
time I.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Went to a Raiders game when I was an active player,
this is wild. I worked for the NFL Network and
I was a correspondent. So I'm going to the game
and I gotta do work, but I wanted to watch
the game too, and I had to do the postgame
stuff and the interviews. So I went through the tunnel,
went through the stadium, went through the corridors, went through

(28:18):
the sections like a normal fan, and of course I
got attacked like a charger shit like what up?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Dog cursing me?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I mean all in it felt like all in jest,
all in tongue and cheek, all in the spirit of
oh we got a rivalry home mee.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
But it was like, why, what the fuck what you
doing up here? It was so crazy?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Right, Keep it that way, is my point. Keep me
where we all in on the act.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
We all in on the fund, you know what I mean.
Let's not go overboard with that.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Cats getting stabbed, casts getting killed, cats getting knocked downstairs.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Mom. Man, we better than that.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Even though we're going against each other no matter in
this situation, and it stands we all need to win.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Winners and losers determine on the field, in the stance,
let us all win. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're back at it, man.
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
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Speaker 1 (29:44):
All right, let's talk about this Rodney Harrison, my guy,
my dog, Oh love my I to call him Chucky.
Rodney wouldn't hit anything on that football field, and he
would go to the echo of the whistle and I
loved it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
He was so good. He was so great.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I mean there been times by blah ah Rodney coming in.
He coming in hot too, Like we're both going at
the Clinton porters and he coming in hot. So we
know who he ISNA NBC Sports analysts. Now, he had
a postgame interview with Zach Wilson during a postgame show
Sunday Night Football, and.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
A lot of people didn't like this. Right, So he's sitting.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
There with Chris Jones the crew, and Chris Jones is
basically trying to tell him that Zack Wilson had a
good night.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Basically went like this, wait wait, wait, this is Rodney
cutting them off.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Wait wait wait did you say Zach Wilson is special?
I think he had a special night, but I don't
think he's special. Okay, let me take y'all back. First,
Rodney Harrison is thorough, authentic, no bs, never scared. I
think you guys have heard some stories about him, but
maybe not.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh how real he is. That's how he played the game.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
And it's interesting people hire former players to be in
the media to tell everyone how the game goes.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
But when they hear it, they don't like how it sounds.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Richard Sherman's famous incident when he went at Craft Tree
that wasn't well manicured because it ain't supposed to be.
What do you think I was thinking when I went
at him like that? That's what I just said. Rodney Harrison,
when he's watching Zach Wilson, he looks at him and say, Okay,
he had a good game tonight, but come on, man,
like chill with the gloss, chill with the flattery.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Like he's still not good as a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So there's a line here. We got to figure out
this line because y'all said Rodney crossed the line, but
Rodney like cross the line. Y'all don't know what the
line exists. I'm a former player, let me tell you
for real. And this is one thing about players that
are talking today about other plays. They all in the

(32:02):
fraternity active, so they all kind of take care of
each other, which doesn't lead itself and lend itself to
being honest, thorough as authentic as you think. They're all
taking care of each other because one, just in case
the shoe was on the other foot, got me. You
got my back because I had your back. I ain't
call you garbage. So when I go through my funk,

(32:23):
don't you call me garbage. We know how it goes, right,
your coworkers, y'all at work and somebody asked you about Lisa.
You know, damn well, Lisa ain't doing her job like that.
You know, damn well, she ain't filed them papers whatever.
But you take care of her because it's gonna be
a time where you might not file them and you
want Lisa to look out. That's the same thing happen in
the NFL. Rodney does not play that game because Rodney

(32:44):
one didn't play that game when he played.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
And two he telling you how it really goes.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
And I wish more guys would do that, because then
you fans will really understand how different we are as
players and how different it is out there cats out
here in the media, just saying that, like all softy
because they want to make sure they don't get too
much criticism.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
The players don't hate them, et cetera. Hates you, cares
you tell the truth, hate me, you lying?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Oh you better run cause you need to be hated
on simple is that? So Rodney went there and we
saw a lot of people take exception to it.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So Taylor Lawan went at it. He wrote a lot
about it.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
He says that who I think needs to get tested
right now is Rodney Harrison.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Okay that was wild? Am I right? Like Rodney?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
What are we doing trying to get more clicks? Okay,
I'm gonna stop right there. We gotta stop with when
someone says something that seems sensational, that seems like, oh
my god, that they.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Only trying to get clicks. Cause I'm gonna tell you this.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
The other guy who is not saying something, he's still
saying something and he hopes.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
To get clicks as well.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
But getting clicks is turned into this soul Now you
say anything just to get attention.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Rodney didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
He literally said what we all say about Zach Wilson,
but he said it to an active player who in
that moment, just saw that Jack Wilson had a good
game and didn't want to kill the kid because the
kid been getting killed.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
But what is Rodney to do?

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Forget about all of y'all who've been talking about Zack Wilson.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
From Hello, and look, it's been that way. His teammates,
they don't want other teammates' shirts like white shirts.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
They don't call for his benching either been missed. They
wouldn't got Aaron Rodgers. But Rodney brings it.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Up and the telling of hey man, the dude is garbage.
That's a problem. Now let me see, let me say
why that is a problem.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Garbage, the word is is tough because we got to
keep a perspective about this. Zack Wilson compared to other quarterbacks,
that is garb. If you want to call something garbage,
what he's trying to say, he's sorry, he's at the bottom,
whatever you want to call he's sorry, a bomby, garbage,

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whatever you're gonna say.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I don't like any of those words, and excuse me.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
When I use them, but that's the player in me,
because dog, you trash. If you play against somebody, you
wear them, you give them work. You trash, broh, whatever
that means. Don't be so sensitive. However, he did make
it to the NFL. However, he is a top pick
in the NFL. However, he still got a shot to
start in the NFL. So it's like, calm down on

(35:35):
the garbage talk. I get that from an outsider's perspective.
He still did all that, and I agree, but then
it's a relative perspective, like you versus your peers garbage,
that's real, and we blaming Rodney for saying what we've
said at Echo, like Matt Leiner said, this is trash.

(35:56):
Our job in the media is to analyze and the critique,
not to rip the these guys apart, especially after a
great game.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Complete garbage master, Homie.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I love Matt, but he just said Rodney's garbage for
what he did, and Rodney said that he's garbage for
what he did.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
What's the difference. Michael Parsons expressed his disproval, disapproval.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Another active player, so you know you're gonna take care
of him even though he probably really like YOA, do
garbage to me, bro, that's just not right, I hear you.
I always keep my faith in God, and I'm just
gonna keep this real with you. I truly believe that
we are not one to judge. Okay, we cannot keep
saying someone's garbage, saying who's special, who's not special?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Camera stop there.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Well, it's hard to critique, it's hard to keep it's
hard to keep perspective without saying good and bad.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
And actually that is in the Bible, right. The Bible
starts off with, oh, from the Tree of Life, you
now lose your absoluteness of knowing or not knowing what
you are because it was just all absolute to now
having the knowledge and the tree of life.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So with the Tree of Life gave you reference, it
gave you perspective. Oh I'm naked. Oh they're clothes. That's
what it did before it was just all absolute.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I digress. So if you're gonna bring the Bible up,
better read all of it, Michael.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
The Bible is showing you how we went from an
absolute state to our current state of relativity. And their
relativity means things relate, but they're different.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Good and bad. Heaven. Hell, let's stop death life. So
it was Zach.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Wilson, Man, it's interesting man getting killed by everybody out there.
And then when Rodney says exactly what y'all say. Y'all
don't like him, shoot the messager, but don't the message.
Y'all been to ones spreading that message all this time.
Don't get so mad at Roddy. But what do y'all
think about it? Because I do understand what you're saying, Like, hey, man, garbage,

(37:57):
kind of tough. But at the same time, did y'all
watch the segment and you feel like his comments were inappropriate?
Beat it up in the comments?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And what do y'all think of Zach Wilson for real?
In the comments? Y'all think he garbage? Let me stop.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Y'all think he's good, you think he's great, Think he's bad?
Think it just crossed the line in terms of the verbies.
Let me know what's crossing the line. Oh, in the
building right now, you guys know what we do right here.
We always show support for our community and our idy
biddies out there.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So look at there right now. Www. Yeah, I'm old school.

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(38:54):
a surgeon, because he was the doc for my team,
team doctor the Sat Diego Chargers, great friend of mine.
Let's bring in doctor David Child, pro football doc himself.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Doctor Child, what's up, brother.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'm doing fine well naked. Like you know, you were
covered up with the surgeries. Let's get too far.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well, I didn't know that I was sleep so I
don't know what was going on. All I know is
I woke up and I felt much better. But in
all seriousness, doctor Child performed a surgery on me. When
I first got to San Diego, and I felt so
much pressure because I signed this huge deal before week one,
I break my foot in practice and everyone's telling me

(39:41):
I'm gonna be out forever ever ever, And I'm sitting
there like.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh, I got all this money and I haven't.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Earned it, and oh, I can't do this. To the city,
to the team, and doctor Child fixed me up. Doctor Child,
tell them about that surgery and the prognosis and how
we went through it.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Well, first of all, you know it's the Dredded Jones fracture,
right fifth minute TARSL fracture, and right before the regular season,
you get it. And as you know, the earliest recovery
is six eight weeks and a lot of refracture rate.
And I know you wanted to play and everything, and
you were the big signing and the city was excited.
So we put in a different type of screw and

(40:18):
I got to give you credit. It's easy to say, oh,
the doctor did it all. I put you in a position.
I guarantee you you were sore that year. I guarantee
you you were effected more effective on one side than
the other. But it still was double digit sacks and
Pro Bowl, and you made it. You only missed the
one game at the start at the start. You played

(40:39):
the whole season basically except for the very start, and
made it back even though I know you were not
one hundred percent. So everyone's like, oh, it's credit for
the surgeony, Yeah, it's credit to you that. Okay, we
put you in a position, but you were playing through
some soreness and pain and having to favor that foot,
but you still put up the numbers and you know

(41:01):
made it happen.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah, man, you crazy to talk about that injury, the pain.
I didn't practice that whole year, like because my foot
was on fire all through the week. It was like
play Sunday and recover all through the week and get
mental reps to just go back and do it again.
But salute to you for getting me back in that position.
It was a lot of work, man, There was a

(41:23):
lot of pain, but we got through it. And this
you know what I was watching this week of football.
And the reason why we have to have Doc on
here is because there's so many layers to the game
that don't get talked about in terms of the media coverage. Right,
Like sometimes we take you inside the huddle. Then we
take you inside the huddle and the helmet and the

(41:46):
player's perspective, and I see a lot of resistance at times.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Like Rodney Harrison. We both know Rodney.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
You know I played with him, You know him very
well as you worked with him as well. Rodney Harrison
says what players really think, where players really feel, Rodney
is Rodney, and all of a sudden you get a
negative reaction. So I'm bringing you on here, Doc to
kind of talk through some of those layers. Take us
inside the organization, take us inside that training room so

(42:13):
we can see it from all levels. And I saw
something that happened well Geno Smith and he was running
and then he got tackle from behind, and we saw
the hip drop and what's going on with that kind.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Of play and how the NFL is perceiving it.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Well, the NFL did talk about banning the hip drop tackle,
and that's basically someone when you're hanging on their hip
and you swing your legs and your body weightlands on
the back of someone's legs. High risk of injury there.
Gino Smith made it through a little bit of high ankle,
a little bit of PCL, but it could have been
a lot worse, and that's why he was so mad
about it. Kenyon Drake talked about it when he was

(42:52):
with the Raiders and how that ended his ear. And
from a medical perspective, the hip drop tackle came and
be as dangerous as the horse caller, very similar mechanism.
And I look at it this way. If you're talking say, look,
I'm not a defensive guy, and this is my question
to you. Defensive guys might say, how do you want

(43:14):
us to tackle this guy, What are you gonna do?
And I get that question. You can't hit him high,
you hit him low like Mika Fitzpatrick, Nick Chubb, and
you're called dirty, right, And where do you hit a guy?
What if their head dips and whatever? But you do
say the league does protect quarterbacks no bodyweight fouls. Right,
you're trying to legislate that right, wrong or indifferent? Right?

(43:38):
But the hip drop tackle is something that I can
say medically causes danger. Now, whether it should be outlawed
by the league and what defenders say and is it
football is a different question. But from a medical perspective,
I would say the horse collar tackle and hip drop

(44:00):
tackle and body weight to the quarterback all right, I
would say horse collar and hip dropp are about the
same danger and body weight to the quarterback maybe less
danger but not zero. Right, And but I get it.
It's a quarterback to of the league, you gotta protect him,
but you know other players deserve protection too, and this

(44:22):
was a quarterback that he was really a runner at
this point in time, and that is you know, from
a defender's point of view, you might say, how do
I supposed to get him down? You know, but landing
on the back of people's legs, causes a lot of injuries,
is all. That's why Gino was upset.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, let's talk through that, because it's funny that we're
saying it's dangerous or more dangerous when there's only one
guarantee in playing football, you're going to get hurt. So
it's just pick your poison which way you want to
get hurt. But I understand that you're leading us to
this is even more dangerous than the average play. What

(45:02):
mechanisms are at play? Because if I see a guy,
he's in front of me, I come from behind him.
A lot of times I don't have the leverage, so
when I grab him, I'm looking to just get him down,
and I know if my body is higher than lower,
it's gonna be harder.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So what I do. I grab him and then I
just get weightless. And if I just drop, he's dropping
with me. So why is that more dangerous? What mechanisms
are at play?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Well, the mechanism at play is when you're coming up
on someone, if you hit him square, you maybe get
him down already, but you can't always hit everybody square.
So when the hip drop tackle happens, you're a little
bit hanging on for dear life. Right, You're like, you
don't want him to through your arms. You don't want
to be in the meeting room the next day with
everyone you know giggling at you or making fun of

(45:52):
you in the film room or in the team meeting.
You want to complete the play and your job is
to get this guy down on the ground or at
least hang on for dear life. But what happens is
is think about this way. If you ever swing on
a fence post, you swing around the back of it.
If you go and grab, then your body and your

(46:12):
leg swings around. Well, that's what happens. You grab onto
someone's waist. You didn't hit them square, you're trying to
You're not leading with your head. You're trying to get
them down. And what happens, your natural momentum swings your
body and legs to the behind. And if the runner
is trying to escape you, which is doing their job,
their feet are planted as they're trying to drive through

(46:33):
the tackle. So now you have a planted foot with
some weight falling on you. That's no different than what
offensive linemen hate. I'm engaged with a blocker and look
you know this, offensive linemen get mad at the guy
next to them if they throw their player into them. Right,
you're engaged, get thrown into them. That's a way to

(46:56):
get injured. Well, this is kind of similar. You're holding
on for dear life and your body weight swings. I'm
not saying it should absolutely be illegal. Look, that's a
football judgment. But if you're asking me, is there more
danger on this play, the answer is yes, just like
there is more danger with a horse collar tackle as
you pull someone down from behind. And I'm not saying

(47:19):
that the play is dirty. I'm just saying the defenders
trying to make the play. So where should this end up?
I don't know, But that's why Geno Smith was mad
because but the defender can't really help it because that's
where your body weight goes, unless you say, when I'm
swinging over there, I'm just supposed to let go. Perhaps
he was mad because he was already in the white
and maybe you know it was a continuation, but it

(47:41):
was in the white. But if you're in the field
of play, the injury can happen the same way. And
thankfully Gino Smith wasn't significantly injured, although he is injured,
he played through, and there's a bye week coming up.
But this is kind of what we talk about, you know.
And this is why I love the fact that you
let me invade your show here, because I think these
are the fun conversations in deep Dive, and I know

(48:03):
how your mind works. It's not gonna be talking about
this injury, talking about this and you telling about this injury.
It's gonna be this deep Dive discussion stuff and behind
the scenes stuff and you know a lot of things
that I'm sure you'll get to you. I've got a
lot to say about the Jamal Adams concussion and him.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Ye want to go next?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Right now, Doc, we gotta go to there before we
even give it to Jamal Adams because I don't want
him to be the face of this conversation, but he's
gonna spark it.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Concussions. Okay.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
When I played Doc, I swear I don't remember anyone
walking around saying, hey, did you go through protocol?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Did you get concussed?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We got dings or you're you're either blacked out, you
got dinged, or you're.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Just like what, I don't even know what concussions are. Now.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I look up and I see that hit on Jamal Adams,
and I see him on the ground and got kicked
in the head. And then I see him on the
sideline looking like a normal football player. To me, at
least in my era, that guy can still play, but
now he's in concussion protocol. Before we dive into Jamal Adams,

(49:10):
what happened yesterday? What changed in those twenty thirty years
from when a guy used to have that same injury
and it seemed like continue to play. I raised my
hand to say one of them to now that guy's concussed.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
What has changed?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Litigation legalities CTE association with concussions or repetitive hits to
the head, and the health and safety era look I
lived in when I answered the NFL, yeah, we didn't
have that. Oh, like guy's routinely on the sideline would
be boy, I saw stars on that one, you know,

(49:50):
and bop and boy, I don't remember. And here you go.
And I don't believe for one second any player that says,
you know, player says I've never concussed ever in my career.
You don't have a documented concussion. You probably played through
your share your fair share of them. And it's a
recognition of the medical industry and in general and to

(50:13):
not mess around with the brain. And so the NFL
started all these concussion meetings, and we started all these
rules and etc. And I'm an orthopedic surgeon, so I
never actually on the NFL sideline and valuated the concussion,
but the doctors who did report it to me. So
I was involved in all the league wide meetings and

(50:34):
traveling to Washington, d C. And looking at the latest research.
And the problem is, it's just that what you say.
Jamal Adams felt he was fine. Jamal Adams said, are
you kidding me? It's been over a year for me
to come back, and now some dude that I've never
met says I'm out of the game. I get why

(50:56):
he was mad. Look, but the guy in the red
hat was doing his job. By NFL rule, if you
exhibit outward signs of concussion and there was the stumble,
unless you can explain why the stumble happened and you
are positive it wasn't a head injury, you're presumed to
have a concussion and you are removed from the game. Period.

(51:20):
So the UNC was doing his job. I love how
Pete head coach was saying I don't think Jamal was
yelling at the doctor. Some fan said something, this said
the other whatever, Pete, you could spend it out you had.
I'm not mad at Jamal Adams for being mad. He's like,
I came back from this, I feel fine, and you're
pulling out of the game. See here's what happens inside

(51:41):
the blue tent. The red hat is there to ensure
the process is correct and that there's no shenanigans and
to sign off on returning a guy to the game
or not. He or she is not there to treat
Jamal Adams or any player. They're there to observe. The
team doctor takes him through the thing, the five questions,

(52:02):
the screening in the tent. I don't know what the
UNC said. They probably came out of the tent the
doctors talked and the UNC probably said, yeah, he didn't
pass the screening, so he's out. Or the UNC said
he passed the screening, but it doesn't matter. We see
the visual signs he's out. So the team doctor tells
Jamal Adams, you gotta come with me and we gotta
go to the locker room, and John Adams says, why, Well,

(52:25):
for further tests. I'm fine. He goes, well, you're actually
ruled out and whatever, and he says, what why am
I ruled out? He's probably not happy with the team doctor.
And the team doctor goes, hey, uh, the red had
already ruled you out, right, I mean you gotta take
you know. Look, look mom didn't let you do the sleepover.
It wasn't dad. I just did that last night, So
I know that little trick. Don't Yes, my ten year

(52:49):
old daughter, don't get mad at me. It was mom, right,
I mean, so Jamal Adams like, who the f are you?
I don't know what he said? Right, Red had oun't
even go how are you ruling out this game? I
just camet and he was hot?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
How do I know that?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Because that's the protocol. And also the red hat didn't
even go to the locker room with Jamal Adams because
he knew he was already ruled out of the game.
And so I get why Jamal would be mad, and
I understand it. I remember one time Doctor Eason came
to me and he and this was early in the

(53:21):
concussion protocol. So we rule out to chaos, spikes mister
neck out to hear right to Kao spikes and yeah,
I can't even do it right, and he love him,
He's a friend, the whole deal, but he was not happy.
So the protocol as a team doctor goes with him
to the locker room for the game, and Doctor Eason says.

(53:43):
He goes, well, find him out of the game, but
I'm going to go out back on the sidelines, and
Doctor Eason says, no, you're not allowed to do that.
And he's like, I can't even be with my friend,
but that's the NFL rule. And Doctor Eason says, to me,
comes out and says me, I think he's gonna slug me.
He's not gonna slug you. If you want security to

(54:04):
go in, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
To Ko wasn't, but he was just mad. It's like,
wait a minute, it's bad enough be playing out the game.
I can't be out there with my brothers and just
stand there. But that's part of the right and players
got to understand it. And I don't give Jamal Adams
a hard time with it. But let me tell you
something else about this. Before he injured, discussed one of
the things we're going to talk about, I'm sure coach
speak and hiding behind hell. But injuries beget injuries is

(54:29):
another theme. Here's my theory from Afar as I do
the analysis, Okay, I don't believe base The quad injury
is a beast, and Jamal Adams wants to play. And
you played through the whole season and you were not
close to one hundred percent, yet you had success in
your Pro Bowl year that year after the foot Jamal

(54:50):
Adams says, it's been long enough. Let's go. Do I
think he's one hundred percent. No, our six score individualium
still shows him recovery and not one hundred percent. But
how do injuries beget injuries? See if you believe this
or not. First of all, he's not used to the
flow of the game because he just came back. But
let me tell you something. Pro bowler Jamal Adams in

(55:12):
the open field versus a fast but very linear runner
Daniel Jones, he doesn't juke people. He's fast, but he
doesn't juke people. I think a healthy Jamal Adams with
a healthy quad, who's been in the flow of the
NFL season ten out of ten times or nine and

(55:32):
a half out of ten times, lights Daniel Jones up
in the chest. Instead. It looked like be it a
half step slow or off angle or whatever, has to
dive low to get him down because he didn't get
there where he thought he would get there normal healthy
Jamal Adams bam right down, goes Daniel square shot in

(55:55):
the chest, not one hundred percent Jamal Adams half step
slow and has to reach and dive at his legs
and then gets knead in the head right and here
we go.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
It's a trust issue, like injuries get injuries, not just physically, mentally,
you're not in the same place of trusting yourself, so
you don't even apply yourself to that same place. Basically,
that sixth gear, you don't even try it because you
don't believe that you have it. You have to grow
in confidence for it. So I see it all the

(56:27):
time with my little kids. I coach eight year olds.
I tell them to get off the ground. They get
on the ground because they're scared that they can't make
the play.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
They just dive and just hope.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So I think you're right in that assessment which led
to his injury, but to the protocol conversation of this injury.
So basically, if I had to sum it up, our error,
we didn't have a threshold it seems like for concussions,
and now they have one. But it seems pretty light
to me if a guy can seem to have all

(56:58):
of his faculties, but you're going to rule him out
regardless if he passes those tests. So two things. One
it reminds me of like when you get a DUI test.
I don't know how I know this, but I know this.
So basically, they asked you to do all these tests
and then if you pass them all, they still can say, nah,
take the breathalyzer. You're like, well, why I take the
test if you want to still give me the breathalyzer?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
What's this about? Right?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
But the second thing about it that makes me wonder
is one, are they asking him in those protocol tests
that he either failed or are insignificant enough that it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
We're still gonna rule you out.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Well, the questions in the tent the screening questions, and
you have to take him inside for a formal evaluation,
but you can do the screening questions in the tent.
The screening questions are not always one the same, but
they are shockingly simple to the lay person. I mean,
everything from what day of the week, it is what's

(57:58):
the score of the game, Do you remember the player
that it happened on, and how you got hurt? And
it's very feasible for a player to momentarily stumble yet
have their faculties to answer all the questions. It's very
feasible to do the finger to nose and the recall
five items and the serial sevens and days of the

(58:18):
week backwards, and it's very feasible to do so. But
the NFL rule is if you see visual evidence, And
this is why the NFL got so much grief about
Tua last year. Right, Tua had some visual evidence when
he went down and it was said to be his back,
and then he was allowed to play that Thursday game

(58:39):
and then got the second concussion or the team still
says first concussion, whatever it is. That's where the controversy
stemmed from, and the posturing and the reason why you
rule players out. And I get from an old school
player's perspective. You're on Jamal Adams side, and I understand that, like,
come on, I'm fine, let's roll. Football is inherently dangerous.

(59:02):
But the argument legally is, do you have your faculties
to even truly consent to it. That's a legal argument,
and the risk falls on the doctors and the team
in the NFL if they allow it. If there's and
there is such a thing as second impact, even if
you're one hundred percent fine, the next light tap might

(59:22):
cause a worse concussion versus if you were fine. And
so it's purely a safety mechanism, but it's a very
very very difficult job. Here's the problem. If a doctor
removes the player, let's say Jamal Adams, even without those
visual signs, and removes him at the exact right moment

(59:44):
and protects him from a second impact syndrome, the player's mad,
the team is mad, Well, he's fine, why did you
do that? But if you let a guy in who's
fine and test fine, and they happen to get and
they really didn't have, I have a concussion the first time,
but he gets another unrelated bat it has a concussion,

(01:00:05):
you're getting sued and you're a horse's bleep for allowing it.
And so the problem is, no two concussions are the same.
And Jamal Adams, and I'm not saying he will have this,
We're just using an example. It's possible that he has
latent symptoms an hour later or the next day, at
the moment he feels that he's fine. So literally, you're
asking doctors to judge the temperature of Goldilock's porridge without

(01:00:32):
tasting it or touching it, by just looking at it.
And you're trying to tell me what the temperature is
half an hour from now, not in the moment. That's
the difficulty of what it is and we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
We can't of it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I never did concussion valuations. I just know the process.
I'm an orthopedist. It's very difficult and it's very easy
to Monday morning quarterback. I am not mad at all
for Jamal Adams fire. I get it he doesn't understand
what it is. He's got nothing to apologize for. But
I think the doctors followed the protocol and the red
hat and did the right thing for Jamal, and hopefully

(01:01:09):
we start of explained the process and the behind well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I think the protocol just to overview it all is
to air on the side of caution and why because
no one wants to sit there and be in court
again and have any of these lawsuits or something worse
injuries to these players, potential deaths.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
So I get all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
But one of the things that's interesting also is watching
the game. And I love the fact that you finally
took me through the protocol, because goodness, I dog curse
every one of these players that lead these games concussed
when they look normal to me, because that's how I
look when I played, And I'm like, I wasn't concussed.
Maybe I was, who knows, right, But I see something
in some of your analysis, and I want to talk

(01:01:51):
about coach speak. And this is something that is dear
to my heart. When you hear a coach say one
thing and you're like, ah, it may be another who
can decode that. So something happened with sakwm Barkley and
turns of the coach speak.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I'll let you out the floor, let me know what's
going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Well, look, I was on the other side of the
equation right for seventeen years and studying film, and I
knew exactly what it was. We used coach speak too,
Philip Rivers and that AFC championshicking. Oh that's just an MC.
I didn't speak to the media, but our head coach did,
so I get coach speak. I am not saying that
Brian day Bole or any coach is a liar. And

(01:02:33):
I'm not calling them names. They're just doing their job
with coach speak. They're spinning the facts based on what's
best for the team, and as a fan, that's what
you want them to do. But it can put players
in precarious situations. For example, with the Giants from week one,
we were very clear that Saquon Barkley. In week two
it was has a high ankle spring based on video,

(01:02:56):
and media says the Giants are saying it's not a
high ankle or like the video is pretty clear. On Monday,
there's a report of an MRI and we go on
our Pro Football Doc podcast and say it's a high
ankle spring. That's what it looks like. If we're wrong,
we're wrong. This is what it looks like by video analysis,
having studied the video. But we even said on the

(01:03:17):
podcast when the MRI results are announced, I'll bet you
the Giants don't use the words high ankle spring because
that's a trigger for fans and others. Sakuon's had him before.
It's a multi week absence. We don't want to let
the Thursday Night team know what's happening, and da da
da da da da, And I said, I don't think
they're going to say high ankle, but it's a high ankle.

(01:03:38):
The Giants released Saquon after Emra I thought the Giants
would pay no significant structural damage and said, they said
ordinary ankle spring, and we came back and said, yeah,
an ordinary high ankle spring. That on the same ankle.
Twenty nineteen, he missed three weeks. He said he's not
playing on Thursday, and the next week, I'm not sure

(01:04:00):
that he's playing. And the following week, week three, maybe
you know, the third week, maybe he has a chance.
So on Thursday, what does Saquon do. He's not happy
that he's almost being called soft, right, like it's just
the you rolled your ankle, tap it up, let's go.
So he protects himself by tailing, telling Taylor Rooks on
the Amazon Prime broadcast, I have a high ankle spray, right,

(01:04:23):
and then here you go. It's coach speak and this
whole Monday Night football, Saquon was not close to playing
with the high ankle spray. Next week is still questionable
for Saquon. And that's kind of what we do. We
try and take you behind to use a Hamilton reference.
The staff and the doctors at sports in your Central.
We were in the room when it happened, so we

(01:04:43):
can kind of interpret for you what is going on,
whether it's a decision making process for Joe Burrow, and
what's happening, whether this concussion thing or saquon coach speak
is real. Look, I love look, I love Jim Harbaugh,
know him well. I don't know his brother, but John
Harbaugh is famous for coach speak. The last two seasons

(01:05:07):
for the Ravens, he every week with say, in December,
Lamar's getting close. We'll see, we think he could have
a chance. Last the year before his ankle. This year
it was the PCL and every week, oh, we'll see
Wednesday he's getting close. And every Friday ruled out. And
every week we're like, he not playing right. And so
the surprising thing to me is I've been fortunate enough

(01:05:30):
to get a couple of Super Bowl media credentials. And
I remember going to the Chief's game and it was
media availability in the hotel room and Mitchell Schwartz is
sitting down there right tackle for the Chiefs and he
had a significant MCL or something. No one was there,
so I wasn't taking away the time from a true
media member. And I sat down and I introduced myself

(01:05:53):
and I said, Mitchell, you know my name is David Chew.
I'm actually going with PTIs I do promo just because
it's not here to start talking to a guy without
knowing who you are and you know how you might
dissect him. And he looked at me and he goes,
I know who you are. I'm like, should I get
up and leave? You know, because I know I've said
stuff about him. He goes, no, I know you talk

(01:06:14):
to my brother Jeff all the time and I know
who you are. And I said, well, I'm sorry if
you don't like what I said. But he goes. He goes, no,
I actually like it, And I said why he goes
because the team kept implying he was close. He was close,
yet he was saying, this is a multi week MCL,
but he as a player can't go against the team
and say hey, I'm not ready to go. But he says,

(01:06:35):
fans are thinking I'm soft, but your a voice out
there saying this is what he has. And he actually
said he appreciated it, and that was something I didn't anticipate,
you know, being able to do. And I've actually had
a few exchanges with players I've never met on Twitter
and otherwise, you know, you know, hey, you're right about this,
but this you know kind of thing because I think

(01:06:56):
that players appreciate the truth and there isn't the same
coach spin that teams kind of have to do are
expected to do right, and so not hating on them.
They're not liars, they're just spinning what's going on. I
know one head coach, for example, and I won't call
out his name. I know one head coach. I won't
call out his name because I don't want to blow his.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Cover protect the guilty. Okay, let's go, I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Said, coach, I know exactly what you do when you
talk to media after the game. He said, oh yeah,
what's that. I said, You're not a liar. You want
to tell the truth. He goes, you're right. I said.
So you get up to the podium after the game
and they ask you all these injury questions and you say,
I don't know, and then as soon as you come

(01:07:40):
off that podium, you go talk to the head athletic
trainer and the team doctor and find out what's going
on and you're completely honest, and he says yep, because
he doesn't want to give up anything right, and he
doesn't want to lie. And that's his way around it,
you know, I mean, you know Coach Belichick. His way
around it is he doesn't answer any questions and he
lists everyone with a head no is questionable and plays

(01:08:01):
hide the bacon. It's within the rules because these guys
is questionable. It's within the rules because these fifteen people
have gotten treatment in the training room. But there's only
one or two that might not play or that's really questionable.
But following the rules, everybody, all these people got treatment.
They're questionable, and then it's a game of hide the bacon.
And he actually never lies safe and I said nothing

(01:08:24):
else about them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, Walgon Toll, never shut up, doc, because that's what
we do. We learn and unlearn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
And so you're protected here because we are sitting here
trying to decode all the real from the fake. And
it's real out there because you just talked about how
some of the coaches will have coach speak and you
have to make sure that you parse between the real
from the fake. But also sometimes they say stuff and
they hide behind the health, like they'll use the injury

(01:08:52):
to really Trojan Horse another situation. So Jonathan Taylor comes
to mind of like what's going on with them?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Are they trying to hide the help with Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Well, it's unknown the exact truth of the matter, but
think of this fact pattern. Jonathan Taylor wants a new contract.
The team says no. Preseason Before the season, Jonathan Taylor
comes into training camp to do a physical and he's
saying he might set out this that the other. The
team then says, well, we might put you on non

(01:09:25):
football injury for your bat and then Jonathan Taylor says,
my back is fine, I got nothing. And then Jonathan
Taylor says, but my ankle from last season still bothers me,
and I'm gonna get some rehab outside the building. So
I reported, so I'm doing what you know. You can't
find me. I'm getting treatment on my own. But the

(01:09:47):
team does what shops him for a trade. How are
you going to trade an injured player? But then the
team then puts him on PUP for the ankle, either
shelby him where knowledge that he's in. I mean, there's
just a lot of what we say hiding behind health.
What's the real story. We'll find out soon enough. I'll

(01:10:08):
give you another example of hiding behind health. Bryce Young
in week two injured his ankle. I believe he did
injure his ankle, but he finished the game. The team
said it was a second quarter injury. We looked at
potentially one in the third quarter, but didn't see anything significant.
He ran very well in week two. Leading up to

(01:10:28):
week three, he's got an ankle injury. DNP ankle injury.
DNP ankle injury. DNP was his ankle injured. I'm sure
it was one hundred percent, but probably what happened is
they said, young Buck, you're our guy for the future.
You're drinking from the fire hose. You're not one hundred percent.
We don't want to put you out there. If that's

(01:10:50):
Justin Herbert they're playing, If that's you know, Trevor Lawrence
he's playing, If that's any number of people he's playing.
But here's a rook who's smaller, they're pretty tacting him.
You don't want to bench the guy. He's got an
ankle injury. And if you go DNP, you can't expect
the rookie to play and look, his quarterback coach Josh

(01:11:10):
McCowan came and did that for the Jets. He played
as the veteran for Sam Darnold in his rookie year
when there was a real injury, but like take a
breath type situation and then what happened leading into Week
four full practice, full practice, full practice. So how do
you go from an ankle DMPDNP DMP and can't play
to FPFPFP. So it's a little bit of hiding behind heal.

(01:11:34):
The injury is real, but minute if that's somebody else
they're playing, if that's Patrick Mahomes with the high ankle
he played all last season, right, and it's a way
to say pull back. We want to be safe with you,
your future. It's not a loss of confidence, it's anything
helping him take a deep breath and let's go at

(01:11:55):
it again when you're one hundred percent healthy. Yeah, we
know you can push through, but let's protect. But they
don't want to say that to the public. So it's
hiding behind health. So there's lots of examples of that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Ooh those segments right there, coaches speak hiding behind health
and just your general analysis of how the process goes amazing.
Want to get out of here on this topic that
we both share our love and affinity for Rodney Harrison,
but he's under fire right now because he's taking a
lot of heat for baiting Chris Jones and saying that

(01:12:29):
Zach Wilson is garbage. Now, it's so crazy and so
many synonyms. I've heard everyone in the media tell me
how bad Zach Wilson is, but then Rodney calls him garbage,
which sounds like a regurgitation of everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I've heard, and he takes all of the fires.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
So what do you think of the criticism of Rodney
Hayton on Zach Wilms.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Even on my probo doc podcast, my guys in the
room asked me about that. My first response was, well,
you just don't know Rodney. That's Rodney man. He tells
it like it is. That's that's my boy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
He doesn't pull punches and hold back. Look, I love
Chris Collinsworth, but Chris Collinworth is a master of he
being praise and that's his deal. That's great, and I
love his broadcast. Rodney is I tell it like it is,
my friend, and he did. Now to me, that's his
job as an analyst to ask the questions and tell

(01:13:24):
it like it is and probing. It's Chris Jones's job
if he doesn't want to take the bait, and he didn't,
I don't see anything really wrong with that exchange. If
you were gonna throw a penalty flag in terms of
the code, I wouldn't throw it on Rodney for asking
those questions. And maybe because I'm his friend and I
like Rodney and I know how he is in his background,

(01:13:46):
Rodney is like, you know, everyone's got an older relative
that says something that's not quite right. Then you say, oh,
that's just great grandpa, right, And I'm not calling Rodney
great grandpa. And by the way, in the room, the
guy suggested, maybe Rodney's just mad at the Jessica Sauce
Gardner didn't know who he was on Hard Knocks right,
which I've heard I find amazing, like that Sauce wouldn't

(01:14:07):
know who Rodney is from Sunday Night Football in his.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Career, lots of history, the most famous, one of the
most famous play in the Super Bowl history, right, Rodney,
besides being I think a.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Hall of Fame caliber player, and rings and the whole well,
that's a deeper die. But anyways, I think the bigger
penalty flag came from my guy, Mike Silver's reporting. Not
Mike Silver, but Mike Silver's reporting with the forty nine Ers.
In the San Francisco Chronicle after the forty nine Ers
trashed the Giants on Thursday Night Football, multiple members of

(01:14:45):
the defense were quoted as saying, Daniel Jones isn't worth
his contract. Penalty flag number one talking about someone else's money. Right,
penally flag number two, a current player talking about a
current player like Chris Jones. Didn't take the credit to
Chris Jones, right. If I were throwing a penalty flag,

(01:15:10):
it would be on the forty nine ers. You're gonna
fault Rodney Harrison for being honest. Look I'm not. Then
you're saying you're double speaking on both sides of your mouth.
You're not faulting Rodney Harrison being honest, but you're faulting
the forty nine ers defense for being honest. The difference
is Rodney's an analyst, you're a current player in the league.
You're talking about another person's money, and you're talking about

(01:15:32):
they're basically there. He's trash and he's not worth the
money and you look you handled it, but you should
have just said, yeah, we had a good defensive scheme, right.
I mean I would say that's more of an NFL
party foul than what Rodney did. I don't know what
your thought is. I know you had to take that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
No, that's the take.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
That's the transition that they don't respect. And sometimes people
get lost in when you're when you're an active player
talking about other active players, whatever they say, you just
need to look at it like, Okay, that is not
gonna be authentic. They're gonna always heat praise or keep
it general.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
That's the way to do it because you never know
when the shoe is gonna be on the other foot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
You also know you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Have to see that guy again and maybe he might
become my teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
So you never step in it when you're an active
player like rarely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
But when you become a media member, that transition includes
telling everybody all the things you didn't say when you
were an active player that you want to say now
and what those guys really are thinking or saying. So
I see Michael Parsons and I see Taylor Lawan, I
see him all saying oh, that's wrong, that's wrong, Michael Parsons, No,

(01:16:42):
damn Well, when he's in that locker room and they
bring up Zach Wilson name, they're like, man, he's sorry,
but like what he supposed to say, that's what he's
done so far. But when he gets on microphone or
on Twitter, he has to say the nice thing. So
I didn't I didn't have any issue, or Rodney said, Look,
the word guard garbage by hisself is a trigger word,
like sorry is better than garbage, you know, not good

(01:17:05):
is better than garbage. Rodney knows who Rodney is, and
he always gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Tell you like it is. So appreciate you, Doc.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
We're gonna have you back on here next week and
every week the d Code give us some coaches speak.
Let's see who's hiding behind the health and just break
it down from your perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
So the party message from you is keep quiet when
you're in the league, but when you're done, never shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
A look at you boy that ain't getting paid multiple
ways on this show. Yes, sir, love for you, Doc,
he knows how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Appreciate you not only David Child, doctor David Child, but
a friend. Seriously, a friend known them for twenty plus years.
We've been talking recently, it's been happening a lot around.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Guys are just calling me up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I'm talking to him and they're like, man, I would
love to do this with you, do this with you.
And I thought this was a great opportunity. I'm fascinated
when I'm around him because he knows so much that
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I just sit there quietly. I'm just like, talk it out,
educate me, educate us. All. All right, now, let's punk
up some comments.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
We're back on the show like you normally see it,
but look forward to that and more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Let's talk about Dan Lawski. McDonald's is great.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I remember a comedian saying he liked McDonald's and the
crowd groaned and he went off, oh shut up, you
all go there. I'm not the only one keeping them
in business. I know, why do people why do people
fight themselves on McDonald's and things like that, Like, oh,
I hate for everyone to know I love it. I
hate that kind of mindset, that dynamic, fascinating stories. I
kind of had some idea of the shoe string budgets

(01:18:42):
at ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, ESPN does not take care of.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Their their analysts and their hosts in terms of budget,
in terms of giving you money for your for your
food and taking to give your money for your clothing.
Nah na na, you get your little stipend and you
get this big salary.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
The rest is on you. Fox.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
They do it different over there, Trent Dilferd, I agree
with your assessment. Dilford showed no class or decency on
the sideline. No matter the level, you don't carry yourself
that way. He embarrassed himself more than the kid he
was verbally abusing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Bush League.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Yeah, I mean, it's just a horrible look to see
somebody lose their cool, lose their temper, and y'all know
that's bad. But what's worse is now I'm looking at
you like, Oh, you gonna come to me one day
and tell me to keep composure. You're gonna tell me
to keep my poise. You're gonna tell me this moment

(01:19:37):
matters and to be in the moment. I'm like, you
lost yourself before, Coach.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Not a good look.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Here's somebody I went to high school in college Fresno State.
But his wife, Cassie h Oh sniper. He's always had
an entitled attitude, bad temper in a very short fused.
Fresno is college town, and he was the guy, so
he was rarely held accountable for any of his antiques
and abuse to others.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Sad to see that not much has changed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Well, I don't know about all that because I worked
with Trendill for for many years and I ain't see
all that. But not gonna say that you're lying, because
this video certainly says different.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
And here's another one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Imagine that if that was Dion, was he going at
white coaches or black coaches? Oh, we don't want to
make it black or white.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
But if that were Dion, if Dion snapped like that,
good lord, the world would come to the end. Last
one on this Marcel's I think the worst coaches were
actually the best players. They seem to hold everybody to
their standards of excellence when most times that's just not attainable.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Good point. I've seen that before. Happens a lot like
you were, like, ain't nobody else doing it like that?
So why are you tripping? All right, y'all? They all
have a finishing show. We finishing with a Wiley ism. Yeah,
doesn't feel good to feel bad. Yes, this hit me
this morning, I was looking at mydy biddies.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Eight year old told him what to do. He's fine
with it. Four year old told her what to do.
She struggled, but she was okay with it. Three year
old told her what to do. She had a fit.
Me she does this. She actually literally pokes out her
lip like on TV, crosses both arms.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
It doesn't just like it, not just this crying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
And I was like, look, doesn't feel good to feel bad,
So don't throw yourself a pity party. Basically, don't sulk.
Why you soaking? Why you gotta do it all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Follow the rules. You gotta do it, and if you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Don't, you're gonna pay for not following the rules and
then still going to do it. I tell my kids
all the time, Man, you gonna have to do it.
So the best thing to do is just get get
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
But if you're not, if you're gonna mess up, if
you're gonna find yourself in that funk. Doesn't feel good
to feel bad, does it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Right? So why why are you still there? Move on?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Get to get into the good place, to the good spot,
to the good things.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
So I just thought about that this morning man. Looking
at how many times people in this world you seen
somebody You got the homie that calls you up and
usually calls you up more inclined when they got something
bad to say, something negative to say about somebody else,
or something bad that happened to them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
You ever called somebody what's up? Man? You're good? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Man, man, dang dog man? You don't got on my
phone from I wanna talk about this? Or Hey, you
heard what happened to homie? Don't we both know?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Homy? Yeah? What you call him? Yet? Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
I'm telling you first see what I should say to him.
I was like, oh God, oh Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Jesus man, it doesn't feel good to feel bad. Man.
I don't want that energy. Like I'm in the process
of eliminating all negative energy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
At all times. So I don't have no beef for anybody.
Anybody doesn't like me, that's a one way street. They
don't like me, I don't. I can't name the person
I hate in this world. I can't name the person
I dislike in this world.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
I got named a few people that did some bad
stuff that I have acknowledged, and I have moved on
from that. That's why I acknowledged it. I ain't acknowledge
it for clicks and to go act cats and talk
about anybody. Acknowledge it because dog, I want you to
know that a foul I caught it. You keep going,
stop it now, be the good person. I love who
you are. Simples that make sure in your life, no

(01:23:24):
matter what you're doing or what you're going through and
who you're with, remind them, remind yourself. Doesn't feel good
to feel bad? All right, y'all got to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
For More to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today. Want to keep
the conversation going, Let's talk to find me on all
socials at Marcel's. Wiley More Too is a production of
Dan Patrick Production That Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show
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