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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to More to It, to show that takes
a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,
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in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally.
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(01:24):
y'all know how we start off every show. What's up
with that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Dude? Well, I think I found my final piece to.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
My foundation and my global concept of what Project Transition
is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Peak this out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So I go to lunch, and I'm going to lunch
with a former colleague of mine, right, actually not just
my peer.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But my former boss, and my former boss.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Was sitting there breaking bread, talking that talk, doing what
we do.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I always had an affinity for this individual former boss
of obviously one of the networks that I work with
worked for. And we're just talking normal life, catching up,
and we always loved each other, always loved each other family,
and we just finally had to connect.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And then it got deeper in.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Terms of what this world looks like to us and
what we want to do in terms of impact. I
learned him of my efforts, which he was already apprized of,
which made me feel good because he.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Knew what I was doing. He knew all of what
this was.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He knew that I was talking on a daily sports
entertainment life show, but at the same time really having
to trying to have a deeper global impact in terms
of philanthropy and helping out the communities.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Across the world.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So he was like, I know all that, and guess
what I'm into now. And we had similar conversations. He
big business, big corporation, big network, was now looking to
do something in the philanthropy space.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So it looks like we.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Gonna be doing something Keether, WHOA that would be amazing
because this man has done amazing work. Can't say his name,
Gotta protect the guilty, gotta go through the process.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Is, yeah, about to be a problem out here, probably
transition about to get it in. After that, came home,
kicked it with the Eddy biddies a little bit, and
then I went to the Berry's boot Camp twenty fifth anniversary, Yes,
twenty five years of Berry's boot Camp.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Have any of y'all ever been to Berry's boot Camp?
Raise your hand if you have. I have good Lord.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I went back in like the early two thousands off
season workout. One day, I'm riding down ventur hanging out,
living in La. My boys just like, man, what we
gonna do today, Let's change it up?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
All right, my boy said, Berry's boot camp is dope.
As soon as I heard boot camp, I was like, man,
I don't feel like going to somebody else's boot camp.
Like we got camp coming up in a few months, Like,
let's get ready for that camp. I ain't going to
no boot camp. I was thinking military and crazy. I
was like, sound a little too intense. Protect his vessel,
protect his body. But anyway, I go up in there.
(04:03):
He told me it was fine girls in there. He
won line.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I went up in there, like looking at the trailmill,
I was like, I'm about to fall off, Like thirty
treadmills lined up, and I'm like, walk the hell.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Up in hill at a nine to thirty in the morning.
Don't y'all gotta go to work? And they were like nope,
and this before ig so they were just models.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So I'm in there working out and I'm over there dying.
Did their instructor if you ever been, you know what
I'm talking about. He's like, all right, get off and
now go lift weights. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna
go lift waits then he said get back on. I
was like, dog, pick one, homie, Mary's boot cap will
whip your ass. And it's been going strong for twenty
five years. Friends with the CEO and their family. So
(04:41):
Joey John, Little Frankie, MJ and her were like besties
when they lived out here in Los Angeles, went to
the same school, et cetera. Love for the family. Went
to that party last night. That party, I saw everything.
It was, first of all, was gigantic, sponsored by everybody
you could name. Diplo performed. It was sick, insane, great stuff.
(05:05):
And let me just tell you, man, I saw.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Girls bigger than me, dudes bigger than me.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Every letter of the alphabet was there, and everybody was
in there, grooving, clowning, partying. I love stuff like that, man,
no borders. I don't care what you say. And this
one person was dancing. I don't know what song this was,
and I was like, I wanted to dance off.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I was almost in that zone, but I didn't want
embarrass my wife, and she was feeling embarrassed because I
was already cutting it up over the here. I was
joking by myself, so I wanted to dance off, but
it wasn't my night. Salute to everything you do. And
I got to meet the Berry. There's a Berry. I
was like the whole night, I was like, is there
a Berry? The boot camp because your name is Joey?
Your name John all the Exection where Bury at and
I met Barry. Salute to Barry who lives out there
(05:50):
in Nevada, man, and your product is still going strong.
Took it from here to the world, eighty four facilities
and fourteen countries.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think I saw. That's amazing. Salute to you guys.
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Speaker 2 (06:43):
All right, let's get into the show. Enough talk, why
shut up?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
All right, let's get it in ESPN and FS one
getting criticized by y'all back back, y'all shooting at them
because y'all like, Yo, you're not discussing the start of
the Major League Baseball playoffs, and y'all like, what, how
the hell the playoffs gonna start in a major sport
and y'all don't mention it barely at all. So the
(07:08):
significant part of their programming was not spent on talking
about baseball, even though they hold the TV rights to
the Wildcard series.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now that's what the gangster is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Y'all don't spent money to have the rights to broadcast
the games and don't even talk about the games or
the broadcast. So people were questioning and took it ratio
like we do in this country.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We got a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Why the predominantly white majority sports like baseball. I know
they thinking hockey too, but they ain't say it. But
the hockey two baseball do not receive the same level
of coverage. Therefore, and scrutiny as the NFL and NBA.
Somebody just start it starts terpet This was what the
(07:56):
criticism was about. Morning shows got into the conversation. Personalities
across FS one and ESPN all question online why don't
the majority white sports get the same scrutiny coverage as
the NFL and NBA.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So Ryan Clark took the baby.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He said, I'll answer that right, and he talked about
that it's not all about just the scrutiny but also
about the popularity of the sports and the viewer engagement.
Seem pretty simple, right, dug like, ain't nobody tripping on
anything except is it popular? And if it is popular,
(08:35):
then it qualifies for us to cover it. Therefore, the
scrutiny will come because the praise is there. So Ryan
Clark said it in his own words, quote you think
it has to do with the color of the athletes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Or popularity of the sport? Bro? Come on, man, everything
ain't racism. And that's funny coming from Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Those football and basketball are more popular and more people
tuning together also tuning in to hear about them. It's
not all scrutiny, it's also praise. I had to clap
when I heard that from Ryan Clark because he's show
can make something racial faster than most. But good for
him for breaking this one down. It's really simple. This
one was about how popular are the games. Now, it's
(09:17):
interesting you see these networks not covering it, and we
think they're.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Dumb for not doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now you're gonna buy something and they don't even promote it,
don't even be proud of it, don't even want to
show it displayed. How are you gonna have the rights
and not want to talk about that you have the
rights that you have the game?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They're gonna talk about what they see moves the needle,
simple as that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Now, they may be looking at a different needle than
you are.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Linear Cable, Nielsen rating's, viewer engagement, the digital streaming, etc.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Fans likes and comments.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know, they may be looking at different needles, but
they looking at a needle to see if it moves.
So we all know that the networks use minute to
minute data tracking to track the audience engagement, y'all. So
focusing on topics that are relevant that viewers engage with
is what the networks will show. Now let's get into
(10:11):
this conversation because y'all know we all see undisputed in everybody,
I don't care who you are, is like but the
same ass topics. Then you watch first take grander topics,
wider breadth of topics. Okay, and you're like, all right,
why there they're talking about more than over here. If
they're both looking at the tracking and the numbers, it's
(10:32):
two ways to cut this. And I'll take you to
the DJ booth to let you know how this goes,
because y'all know, I've been DJ and since nineteen ninety
seven officially but unofficially on a tape deck since eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Eight, maybe even earlier.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
In that I was over there and listening to the
k theyre doing this rewind play, rewind play, so they
would be playing something.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Once up quick at about noon noon then new.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I used to do that for real, rewind play hit
that thing and so fast that anyway, let's talk about in.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
The DJ booth DJ one on one first day you
get to DJ and you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know how to DJ, you don't know how to blend,
you don't know how to drop it on the one,
you don't know how to do any of that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But you know songs.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So the first era most DJs make if they ever
do a gig, just play songs, they says, you say, hey,
just mess up, but this is how you're gonna learn.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Play songs. You know what, they play, hit hit hit
hit hit level level level.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
They don't know anything about the energy of the song, right,
you don't know anything about the tempos, and you're just
playing hits and then you realize, okay, I gotta waves
this thing, right, I gotta have contrasts. You know, when
you get on a roller coaster, it takes you up
for the big drop and that's the most exciting part.
(11:47):
Then it takes you back on and then it makes
you do a loop and like, all of the different
dimensions and elements make it an amazing journey. But if
you just got there and it went, you be like, yeah,
that's it. Okay, con sooner or later you get used
to it. Then it's like we're flying. But okay, that's
(12:07):
what this is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Undisputed, undisputed, underspooted, undisputed goes like this and.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You're like, oh, okay, all right, that was Ah, that's it.
We're gonna go backwards, nah, get on walk and then
first take gonna go, and don't lie. Every time you
on that hill, don't you think about getting off? Every
time you're like, man, you see them stairs right there,
be like yo, you see that flag that lasts little flag,
(12:34):
and you'd be like yo, somebody can walk up here
and give me, and you be like, if I raise
my hand, they gonna come me. I ain't no punk,
I ain't no punk. I'm a punk though, And then
it go And that's first take. I'm giving you number
one versus number one on a different network.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That variety, that range, that whoa, whoa, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Baseball, I ain't like, oh god love, we got some
football talk. Oh god, oh we're talking about racing whatever
it is. And they just take you all those places.
So when you bring it back home to this conversation,
the thing is, they know those levels of engagement. They
know what gets you up and down and arousing into it.
Y'all ain't into baseball, y'all not not on a national level,
(13:17):
not on a big grand level regionally, of course. And
it's funny because if you look at baseball, everybody's thinking,
how is it profitable, which we know it is, look
at them contracts, but not so popular? How you gonna
be profitable and not popular. It doesn't make any sense. Well,
obviously it does if you get down into the granule
(13:39):
levels of how they market baseball local, regional to those
areas they have their own cable networks in terms of
Yes Network for Yankees, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Stuff like that. It makes sense financial sense, but relevance.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It doesn't necessarily attract the viewing audience. So a lot
of people have a tough time digesting baseball. I used
to coach baseball. My son played baseball. I know all
the any biddies that are interested in sports. When you
bring up baseball, you get the same response. Either the
kid takes to it or the kid hates it because
they don't have the attention span. Kids will go out
(14:14):
there and draw up lego dirt. They would be making
up lego pieces in the dirt. They just be out
there just doing whatever right because they ain't feeling it,
they can't lock in.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well that kids ain't the only one to have that issue, y'all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Adults, so stop complaining about the TV coverage when the
TV coverage is responding to you. It's kind of like
when we're having this conversation about what pops on social
what pops on this show never shut up what pops.
Typically if Stephen A. Smith or Max Kellerman say some
warl words, I don't care if I come up here
(14:51):
and have a Nobel Peace Prize topic.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I don't care if I come up here butt naked.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I guarantee you which one we're gonna get more views me,
but nugget no, kid, it's gonna be Max returns fire
and to skit uh Steve to day.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Max responds to Steve it, that's y'all. That ain't me.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm a cover it because I know I know the
ins and outs of that. But y'all are the ones
who're gonna say I want that. So we need to
take some onus as an audience and stop always blaming
the network.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Then they'll never show nothing and undisputed. Man, oh, y'all
talk about this cowboys because every time he talk about cowboys,
y'all be getting hyped up because he talking about the cowboys.
Now will admit y'all also are saying talk about something else.
But he like, nope, I'm gonna play the hits.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Member the DJ DJ error hit hit Hit, You learn
to throw in that other song, throw in that b
side song. Throw in that dope instrumental to everybody rock
to but don't know what it is. Throw in a
new song that people are like, damn that sound dope?
Who that you know? Throw in that odie? But goodye
don't just throw in top forty all the hits, right,
So what you guys are trying to say, but you
(16:02):
need to say it to yourself first in that mirror,
because y'all the reason why we ain't seeing no baseball talk.
They literally mentioned it twice, literally mentioned it twice between
eight o'clock and two o'clock on ESPN literally twice. The
Major League play baseball playoffs. That's all they say. You
want to hear what they said? This is it. ESPN
(16:22):
has TV rights to the Wildcard round of the Major
League Baseball postseason that starts today.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Said it one more time, that's it six hours. It's
kangs down here.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So y'all think Sports network should strike a balance between
covering sports that y'all ain't interested in, like baseball, even
though they had the rights. No, no, no, And did
y'all think any of this was racial? I ain't even
get at the time of day, like Ryan Clark didn't
I didn't either, like, there is a time when it's
having let's have that racial conversation. I would not shy
away from it. But I was like, dah, you trying
(16:53):
to make baseball racial when it's not. How many white
people play still, how many black people play? It ain't
us everybody else. We already know Dominican Cuban put ricking
Latino's out there rolling right, So I ain't want to
make that one.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Rachel. I'm glad that we ain't have to go there, all.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, So let me know what y'all think about the
coverage of that, because obviously you don't think too much
about it because y'all ain't thinking too much about baseball.
Oh man, I gotta hit y'all. So my goal is
to come in not the beginning of the show, but
every other time. What a different song that just gave
me energy? That was dope as hell?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Y'all? Remember this song?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh, this is like, this is like my earliest moment
I think of getting hype over rap music.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
H Remember that song Iron and Iron and Iron and
I Aint Bubba giddy up? Y'all? Remember that song? What
giddy up? The cat used to do that? The cat?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You having on the puma flute like I remember that.
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three wants to change his reality. He's like, yo, right now,
this mic is cool, this suit is cool, this beat
is not recital.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I was out it like that, and then where's that from?
Y'all know where that's from.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
He's like, Nah, this ain't it. I want to go
back on that field. Job unfinished, got unfinished business out there.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So we know who he is. He's on ESPN.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He's the host of the Wave Sports podcast as well,
and he is talking about playing football for real. I
ain't gonna step on his seeds. I ain't gonna stomp
out his dreams. But we're gonna discuss this. He says, quote,
it's been no secret there's a lot of players that
are afraid to say they want to play when they're done.
(19:44):
They're afraid to say they want to play. I'm not
afraid to say that I love the game of football.
I will come back to that comment later because I
don't agree with that comment. But Griffin is being candid
about his aspiration to continue playing football, departure from many
retired NFL players, myself included, who are hesitant to omit
(20:06):
their desire for a comeback. If the right opportunity came along,
I would certainly entertain it. Now I say it with
your chest. Now, no, no entertain it, which you mean ertainer?
You just said you want it. See, this is what
I'm talking. This is what Kaepernick got caught up in.
Kaepernick and his crew must be sitting back. It's like, yeah,
I entertain any offers. Boh, you better be thirsty out
there if you want it. Like that's we can't be high.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
On the hall.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Don't be high on the hall. Don't be high on
the horse if you want it. Dog, you remember when
you wanted to get into the NFL. Now, look, I
know RG three was the third pick overall, top pick
number two.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Me I was the second rounder.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So we ain't in that same conversation and I'm not
in the same conversation as him. But damn it, if
I kept falling, that's what I would have missed saying
I'm calling I need an opportunity. Don't like when cats
just like entertain it. But don't want to beat up
too much of his words. So Griffin revealed that as
recently as August, the NFL team contacted him about joining
(21:01):
their quarterback room, although he didn't disclose the team's identity.
He protected the guilty since he didn't go and take
that job, and he knows that would kick up some
dust and hurt his future chances, especially if you're not
gonna take those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So maybe he entertained it, maybe he didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But if you want to play and somebody offered me
right now, man, you know what I want to do?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Dog? For real, Man, I can't lie to you. Dog,
I just want I just want another chance to play.
Just turn that corner one more time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Get busy, and somebody calls me, He's like, yeah, we're
thinking about bringing you in.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, I wouldn't entertain it. I'm be like, yes, thet go.
Let go. What I gotta do? Where y'all?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, we y'a address your own line off a figure roll?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, I'm over there. So come on, man, let's get
into this Griffin situation.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
A lot of people heckle him, a lot of people
think it's amusing, a lot of people know that it
is genuine, but still he's the butt of some jokes.
I even posted something I saw where he was talking
about it. They cut it up and pipulated it. I
didn't do it in any male intention. But to me,
if something funny, I'm I'm gonna put it out there.
Ask Stephen Jackson, asked Matt Barnes, who are my dogs?
(22:08):
But when Kwame Brown was at their head, I was
posting and talking about it too. I'm that friend like
I'm clowning you too, And if you don't like it,
then we may not be the same friends because.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm not changing.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But I'm also not gonna stop laughing at the joke
because you the butt of the joke.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You ever see that. That's what Will Smith did.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That's what Will Smith got caught up into. Wait, man, man,
I've been like this my wife. Maybe you know what
I mean, Like you might start laughing. It got you
get him.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Back, It's all good. I'm a comedian too, let me
shoot at him.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So anyway, his openness about this is put a bullseye
on him. At the same time, it's been three years
and that's where part of the ammunition for this bulls
eye is coming from.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, let's talk through this story right here. Let
me get his quote again.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
His quote was, there are a lot of players that
are afraid to say they want to play.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's what he basically.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Said, I can't say no to that, But I disagree
with that because I've seen more.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
A lot of players that are more scared.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
To let it go than actually want to go and
play again, and they can be looked at as the same.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You can confuse those two.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I should say, But being real, I know more guys
scared to let it go than scared to say, oh,
I want to go back.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Cats die in that locker room. Some of them cats be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
On their last leg, can't play that well whatever, don't
want to go home, don't want to go back, don't
want to go to the real world, don't know what
they gonna do next.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I've had way more of those conversations, Cass.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
When I left Jacksonville my tenth year I retired, I
was like dog one, I'm sorry, and I was still
making run plays, but I'm a DN and long story short,
in my day, you gotta get them sacks and that
running game they were hyping up that wasn't doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
They were saying that, but they ain't care.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Who are the best d ns, Bruce Smith, Reggie White,
sack sacks right, But then in that era, they kept saying,
oh yeah, go play the run, go play the run.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's all good. I was playing the run still, I
wasn't getting no sacks.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And guess what I wanted to leave because I was like,
better days are ahead somewhere else, because my best days
are behind me playing football. Every single dude in that
Jacksonville locker room, to a man, was arguing with me,
where you going, Wiley.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
What you're doing. You don't gonna stay paying you. You're
still chilling, You're still good. They were to my run man,
what you doing? And I was like, Oh, I gotta
do something else. It's time to move on. What you're
gonna do then, I don't know, but I got enough
to say. I got enough say where I ain't gotta
be forcing something and then I'm gonna figure it out
when I get into the real world. Won't you figure
(24:59):
it out? Yeah? This is kind of a painful way
to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Let's just say not just physically my knees start hurting,
but more than that, I had a torn growing off
the bone. I was like, I swore to myself, one
more surgery, one more major injury.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm done. Tore my growing off the bone. And I also.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Said this, it didn't feel good being in the locker
room where you're not held in high esteem when you
used to be right now, that's meaning that I didn't
want it. That's why this whole entertaining stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
When you ain't happy being number fifty three, you don't
want to play football no more, not to that level.
You gotta want it, like.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like a ray Lewis, like I've seen Junior say out,
like I've seen them great ones, like dog, just give
me anything and I'll tear it up. I'll go at it,
I'll beat it one. I was like, mine gotta be
convenient now. And when it wasn't convenient, I was out
literally that summer, literally that offseason. The Giants were calling
(26:00):
Marcel's come on, stop playing who leads the NFL?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
What do you do? You ain't even on TV doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You just chilling getting fat, probably and hanging out with
all them girls and running errands, riding around the rolls. Royce,
you're right, and it doesn't hurt. So I didn't take
their calls. I mean I respected them, but I was like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
They won the Super Bowl that year out you beat dumbing.
You thought it was gonna be a good ending to
that story. Hell no, I should have kept playing. But
that's my point. Most guys want to keep playing, and
they do, but when it's over to r G three's point,
it's a lot of them that want to go back.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But I think there's a lot more that realized, oh,
ain't nothing left back there, but I'm scared to go here,
so they don't want to admit that they can't let go.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I thought that was an interesting conversation that RG three
was having and being candid. I respect that man for that.
RG three and I've been cool over the years. I
haven't seen them forever, but you know, him and his
ex wife. I don't know what else, but yeah, RG
three and his wife. Yeah, good people's man. Always been
a great god, big heart. So let's see what's gonna
(27:12):
happen with this. Y'all think that RG three should be
back at the NFL. I will say this no, as
an evaluator, this is how it goes. Sorry, even RG
three to hummy, I'm not picking up somebody who used
to do it, who stopped doing it, who wants to
do it again?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know why?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
There are a lot of other talents on that conveyor
belt way. Younger than you, way more spry than you,
way more spongy than you in terms of taking this
information and this culture in. And I'm a vesting them
because they cheaper too. You may come cheap, but they
got all these VET minimums and all that stuff. Would
(27:50):
you would you gonna get a rookie undrafted?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Would you a couple bucks? All right?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I got you. So I just think that it's not
gonna happen. I'm gonna be interested. If the gando, I
would love to see him go, but then he gonna start,
So he's just holding the clipboard clipboard. What's better? That's
a question? Be them in coming? What's better? Third string
in the NFL or WLL. RG three has a ESPN
and his podcast right now, what would you take?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I want to see what that is?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And is RG three gonna get an opportunity to get
back in the league. If so, which team is the
best fit? Whoa one of my hypists? Maybe my hypists
all the way through high school? This got me through it.
I wish I wish I could do y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I have this thing black. It'd be pitch dark in here,
and then all you will see is nothing but like
the stage, you'd be like squinting trying to see that,
and then you hear brothers assist us. I don't know
what this brother is coming to. And then I literally
would do this with the likes I if it yes,
(28:51):
the rhythm the rebel, Oh my god. All right, y'all, man,
I need a moment for that one. That is insanely
hype right.
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(29:53):
let's talk about what Skip is doing not for the community,
well maybe for the black community. According to Dion Sai,
we know that he recently thanked Skip Bayless when he
was in Bold of Colorado for providing opportunities to black
former athletes in sports media, and Skip Bayless expressed how deeply,
deeply meaningful Deon Sanders' words were to him and why
(30:15):
it mattered to him to get those opportunities and give
him away at ESPN and Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All right, it was a cry fest out there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We saw, you know, Dion and Michael Irvin giving it
up real love.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I love seeing all of that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So here's a quote watching last Friday, when Dion said
what he said to me in Boulder, Colorado. Somehow, that
moment to me just felt so meant to be. Somehow
to me, that moment felt like it had been in
the making since I was three or four years Oh. So,
Bailey shared this upbringing growing up in a challenging environment
(30:50):
with alcoholic parents and a significant role played by Katie
Belle Henderson, a black woman from Chicago who helped raise
him and taught them valuable life lessons. He said, quote,
I did grow up in Oklahoma City. I was the
oldest of three children in a broken home, wrecked by alcohol.
From the start, Katie Bill Henderson taught me right from wrong.
(31:13):
She taught me about the evils of alcohol. She built
the foundation in my life that to this moment benefits me.
What Dion thanked me for came from Katie Belle Henderson. Okay,
now we all know. Skip Bayless emphasized how Katie Bell
was more of a mother figure to him than even
(31:35):
his biological mother and how she got him on the
right path because his father was a functional alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And his mother would drink till she was drunk. Drunk.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
A tough sledging for Skip Bayles's growing up, and he
said he learned how to be on the right path.
Values wisdom all from Katie Bell. Okay, so now let's
go all the way back to his ESPN days. If
Bayliss has an invited everybody on the show, including me.
I used to be on Cold Piece, used to be
on first take at ESPN, Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Irvin, Jalen Rose,
(32:08):
Shannon Sharp, etc. Richard Sherman now Lil Wayne, Now I
chose it man, you I chow there. Now he comes
across and I've always said this, listen, Skip baylist on air,
comes across, not too respectful, you know, stubborn, etc. But
(32:29):
then off air, I've always said he's a bubble, like
just gentle, like a cloud, like, Oh he's so cool,
super real. But this takes a little turn for me.
So let's talk through that turn and that twist of
how this story is. Because Dion was giving him his flowers,
and on that level, we should get him his flowers.
(32:51):
At the same time, there's something about this story that
just doesn't sit well with me, right, and I'm gonna
talk through it. So Skip Bayless had an example of
growing up white family, etc. Oklahoma say all that with
a black housekeeper basically, and she taught him not only life,
(33:13):
but she taught him, I guess some empathy and respect
for a different culture, different experience, different race, different that's
nicity a black person gotch I experienced the exact flip.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's crazy and it wasn't in the same respect as Skip.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But I was a young kid and at my grandmother's house,
which I would live there until I was age five,
age six, and then was there every single weekend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We had two white families that stayed with us.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
My grandmother would get extra money, she was in the
medical field. She would get extra money take care and
being a caretaker to these two older white people, an
old white man and an old white.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Woman, Uncle John and Anti glow Right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
So I grew up with a different dimension of looking
at race as well, kind of like how a Skip
is talking about and it was weird. So Skip is
hearing on the outside, what black people are, you know
in this country obviously from slavery all the way through
the era where Skip was growing up in the South,
what a black housekeeper, let's say, in the fifties or
(34:23):
whatever it may be, sixties, Civil rights era. You know,
you're hearing about the inferiority of black people versus white
people and their superiority, especially at that time, and they
were trying to level the playing field and make it equal,
equal rights.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Civil rights era.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now flip it to when I'm in the seventies, in
the eighties and you know, we having a lot of
different issues, but still some of the issues and the
remnants of that.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But now it's morphed into gang violence.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And there was a war on the streets and the
war and drugs and crime, et cetera. And black people
are largely the reason is happening, and largely it is
happening two black people all in this little tight local
called the hood the ghetto, and then white people are
protected and white people are synonymous with the.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Suburbs and peace and harmony and safety.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's what I'm hearing, and that's why I watch throws
like the different strokes, and I'm watching different strokes.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
The kids from Harlem go all of a sudden to
Manhattan and to the Upper West Side, and next thing
you know, they're living lavishly. And I remember seeing that
and I'm like wow, and then you mix into that bam.
But I got two white people right here who need me,
And then people telling me that they're they're they're more
(35:44):
powerful than me, they're superior to me, they have it
better than me, they they they And I'm looking like, well,
aren't they part of them?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Aren't they a part of them?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
So now makes sense to this reconcile that cause it
must be deeper than just white people have that. And
then Skip had to go through, well, it must be
deeper than just black people are all that because look
at this beautiful black woman raising me better than my
white mother. Okay, I love all that. And then what
(36:18):
does that do to you? It can make you go
two places. It could go make you have guilt if
you ever harbored some of that negativity and then had
it corrected.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Through that experience. People always talk about white guilt, etc.
Or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Or it can actually magnify what you already know about
this world, that it's way deeper than skin color, and
that you really need to look at people. If you
want to give out and see equality, you have to
display and emit equality. That's where I think Skip falls
(37:05):
short in the understanding that's the only issue.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let's talk to this issue.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
We have similar experiences, but he's taking it to a
different place. When he says he gives out opportunities, or
they say I should say they say he gives out opportunities,
he accept that and says, yeah, I give out opportunities
for black people because I was raised by a black woman, literally,
(37:32):
that is not actually showing equality.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Literally, that is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Taking the great things that you learn from that experience
and putting them on full display.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Because now that would seem like.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
The black guy gets to go to the plate and
get four strikes where the white guy gets three being
one of the black guys that got an opportunity. And
it didn't come from Skip, but it was on Skip's show.
So let me give him his credit and it's due.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yes, I never ever thought, and I never want to think.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That Skip looked at the pool of ESPN candidates and said,
you had that young woman that just retired. Marcella's bring
him over here because he's black. Because I was raised
by a black person, so therefore, let me look out
for him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I believed enough in me.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I believed enough in what my powers were that I'm
gonna be here regardless black, white, orange. I didn't want
to get in because of the color of my skin.
And I know he's well intended, and I also know
that he's well he's coming from a great place. At
(38:59):
the same time, the road to hell is paid with
good intentions. And boy, this conversation is getting hot because
as much as everyone's giving them props. It always comes
off to me as if black analysts and personalities that
are saying this, including Deon Sanders, that we're buying into
(39:23):
an inferiority complex that we're buying into, like thank you
Skip for hooking us up, like we want to go
hook ourselves up, like we couldn't get hooked up no
other way other than you're good and you're black, not
just good enough. I just don't want to have that
(39:46):
circulating through me. I don't want to digest that. Skip
Bayless with intention is looking out for black people because
they're black. These are key. Shot Johnson is a personality.
Khawn Jonson wrote a book as a rookie sucker. Just
give me the damn ball. He's a nut, he's funny,
(40:08):
he good, dude, does his job well right, Dion Sander's
next level. Come onst I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Michael Irving lights up every room. Richard Sherman better broadcaster,
would have help it than he is without and he's
great without but with one. Oh my god, Like admit it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
When Richard Sherman's saying, you're like, I don't who is
like Charles Barkley, move over, like you know what I mean?
I just wanted to stop down on that because what
that means to me is like, oh, it makes me
think is SKIP coming from a place of guilt. So
therefore he's trying to overcorrect because I had the flip
of it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
And guess what, I'm not trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Seek out all the white people and you say, oh,
cause they ain't got it, No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I just I raised two that didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I grew up in the neighborhood with few others, many
others who didn't. There are more poor white people in
this world than and wether in this country to stay
in this country, in this country than black people.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
More. Yeah in the numbers. Yeah, not in the percentages,
but in the numbers. Yes. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
We get caught up in this twist sometimes y'all thank
you for the job and opportunity, like and I know,
and I get disgusted, and I know, I get really
disturbed perturbed when people are like, well, you're in an
affirmative action case. I'm like, boy, you ain't seen my
(41:33):
test scores, you ain't see my grades, You ain't listening
to me.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
You weren't gonna get into Columbia unless you were black.
You weren't gonna get in Columbia unless you play ball,
all right. So that's where that conversation goes for me.
I wanted to let that out kind of RG three style.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I want to go back and play, you know, let
it out, because I heard it and I kept hearing it,
and I wonder if other people hearing.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That or I'm just like rabbit he or it like ah, man,
you're hearing too much.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But the props that Skip Bayless deserves is he has
a show, and on that show he is looking for
the most talent, the best talent. But this plays into
what I hear people when you hear criticism of Skip
Bayless in this respect, in terms of race, you hear
that he's a culture rture vulture, culture vulture, culture vulture.
(42:27):
He needs a black person to go against. And if
Skip is saying, nah, I just need a black person
because of how I was raised by a black person,
I don't think either one of those is good like kIPS,
you know what I mean. So I'm trying to put
this in this proper place because I know he's doing
a great thing in terms of stocking and staff in
(42:48):
his show with the best talent, but is it the
best talent or is it just the best black talent?
Rachel Nichols says like, Hey, I'm over here for but
y'all get the point.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Let's beat this up in the comments. Man, I'm trying
to learn from this one.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I want to condemn him, because, boy, the last thing
you should do. We used toart Max and I used
to always say that is never clown the fat girl
once she comes back from the gym with the sweaty wristbands.
That is a weird way of saying. If somebody trying,
let him be, though, right, he trying, so I should
let him be. But something about this doesn't set well
(43:25):
with me.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I wanted to see what you.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Guys thought about it, all right, because the ain't no
firmative action over here.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Damnit. Everybody's like, yo, it ain't me, it ain't me.
It's like, yeah, it is, it's you. It's you.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
So let's beat that up in the comments. Tell me
what you think of this whole situation.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Did it sting you a little bit like that too,
like oh, thank you Skip for the opportunity, or did
he was like, nah, do you just reaching forward?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Let me know, and what role has Skip basis really
played in promoting diversity and giving voices to athletes different backgrounds,
et cetera. Right, because it's weird people giving them all
the projects. But the first time I got on first
take wasn't because Skipped wanted me on first tape. It's
because the boss was like, Yo, we need to have
marcels on it. An audition more, Jamie Horowitz, if you
want to know, because Marcellus is good, let's see how
great he can be. So you know, I just I
(44:06):
just want to see what that is in the comments
and other than that in sports and media, how important
is it to have diversity and inclusivity?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Should it reflect the demo of the sports the athletes?
Or man, stop talking about race? If you could talk that, talk,
entertain and educate, go up there. That's the way I think.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I want to see how many of you guys think
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(45:41):
gotta go. Chase Claypool is out of Chicago, and talk
about like all right, y'all, peace Sucker landing in Miami
with the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
God. First of all, Miami a better city than Chicago.
I know what y'all gonna say. Don't tell me about
the damn lake in April. Once the spring, it's amazing,
but it's about four months of great Chicago. The rest
of that time.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Come on, man, it's thirteen months of great Miami.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Devin, you better stop playing. And he played on the
Dolphins with that receiving corps in Tua. He better be right.
He better get right.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
If he don't get right now, he can't get right
if he doesn't go back go for bad. A bad
situation in terms of what he made Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh
was right for him. I know, quarterback change, young quarterback,
trying to figure it out. But bad over there. Then
Chicago bad over there. First game memory when viral for
(46:39):
how bad he played, bad clips, everything all bad, and
they were done with him. So they got a sixth
rounder out of him, which is good because they were
done with him and he's still a big, fast, talented kid.
But something ain't right. So let me talk about what
ain't right because we don't don't know the incidents. I mean, look,
(47:01):
everybody seen him end of the game Minnesota doing this.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
That was bad.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
But there's an attitude that must be present that is
just turning people off. And I know those type of
attitudes because when it's not incident, it is attitude. It
reminds me of Antonio Bryant, if you guys remember him,
but Letting the cough winner. Talented, he didn't have a
(47:31):
bad attitude in terms of like what I think Chase
Claypool has. He had an attitude like he just was
about I'm a ball and that's it. I don't want
to hear nothing else I got. Let me be like
that kind of attitude like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
And he was good. He was damn talented, but didn't
know the buy in.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Not necessarily the streets were a little louder for him,
but not you know, I would just say he was like,
I'm good, I'm good, you know, one of those kind
of casts a little iso on his and it didn't
do well for him, and in terms of it didn't
support him in his career. You know, he didn't get
all that he could have got out of that, even
though he asked some good years in there. And we saw,
especially in Tampa, I saw man Antoni was silly. Silly,
(48:12):
well he was silly. Oh I gotta tell y'all One
day I'm gonna tell y'all story about Antonio. I'm gonna
protect the guilty, but it's gonna be Antonio.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
This sucker. He did something amazing. One time.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I was like, god, Lee, I've told you guys about
the story of him beating up Bill Parcells. That's to
my point, Chase Slake, who ain't beat up Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
He ain't beat up the Bears coach. But something to
us be wrong with his attitude. Right, So Antonio Bryant
one day, give it to you real quick, because I
get the story. A lot was running nine routes. Key
Shawn there, Key Shane like, yeah, keep running them, youngster,
and he like running them. Finally he just got pissed.
He was like, men, well, Key Shan, do some of
these routes. Ain't like he don't need him or something
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like that. Key showing Bill Parcells this type.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So he keep shining Bill Parcells looking back like he
ain't running nine round.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Shut up, you know what I'm saying. And then finally
he he was like, I ain't doing no more, took
off his jersey, threw it on the ground, was walking off.
I'm out deuces. I was like, damn suck.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
First thing I swear, the first thing I thought was
made me laugh on the inside, was like where are
you going? You gonna quit the NFL today? Thursday? Whatever
the hell? Thursday, October seventeenth, Like where you're going? Like
it's one thing, the flex, one thing, the front, one thing,
the stunt. But where you're going? Like you quit the NFL? Anyway?
Philp ourselves follow behind him, Grab the jersey. Where you're going?
(49:33):
You known who you go?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Grab a jersey catching up to Antonio? That less you know,
Antonio want to go nowhere? How the hell Bill Parcells
catching up to you? He don't want to go so anyway,
finally grab the jersey, throws Antonio talking you know you're
talking like you kid, Hey, hey, AI.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And throw it at him. It's a jersey. Ain't on him.
This sucker got in the matrix. He threw the jersey
while the jerseys in there. This suck. Antonio went down young,
grab the jersey, threw it back at him and they
hit it with a wh wh what all in one motion,
like I just did put parcels parcels stumble back like
Charlo and Canelo.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Stupid but boy being man, ah my god, dang, it's
real today. It's real NFL right here. And you know
what the NFL stands for. It stood for him not
for long. Yo, ass ain't gonna be there, but parcels
end up cutting them on the midnight on random Wednesday,
six eight weeks later.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
But the point is he never got all he could
out of him because of his attitude.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Attitude is altitude how high you will fly right your attitude,
because that's gonna help you rebound, respond and also give
you what you need to recharge to do the task.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Your attitude. So the pros is so crazy. I only
brought this story up because.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
So many people always come up to me talking about
how good somebody is, you think they could go pro.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
And I'm like, the pros is way more than just talent.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like for real, it's like attitude, professionalism, perseverance, perseverance is huge.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
You just gotta last through the process.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
When you're the man. At eight years old, you're a man.
You're getting recruited at the snack bar. You're gonna have
nil deal. When you're fourteen, you're gonna be eighteen. Everybody
getting gifted cars and trucks and girls think you the cutest,
and these girls are so pretty and they everywhere and
(51:33):
they don't matter. You got money. You just gotta make
it to the NFL. Forget how good you are. Everybody
good that's gonna qualify, But are you gonna cross.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
That finish line?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And when you cross that finish line, let me just
tell you hard to reset, because it's starting over again,
only on a greater grander level.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
These cats, all black belts, these streets all tempted. What's
your attitude? You locked in or not?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
So when people want to know, how do you get
to the NFL, to the NBA, you gotta be insanely
talented and frankly have a great character in terms of
finishing what you started, which is all of that talent
in that sport, that endeavor manifesting.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
You gotta finish. And then when you get there, that
ain't good enough. Chills, Oh you fast, good for you?
And and what else you got?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Oh you're big and strong? Good and meet him too,
him to him too, So Chase kaypool Man. I hope
it works for him because I've been fascinated with his game,
Like a few plays, you know a few of those
Pittsburgh players. I was like this boy, he could be special,
but something between here is sabotaging him.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
So what y'all think the situation is with him?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Cause I haven't heard of the incidents, and help me
if there are incidents, I don't know did my homework.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I was like, that ain't enough.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
The attitude is, though, and they don't always put that
out there because they don't want to ruin the youngster.
They don't want to give them that label all the time.
They just say good luck to him, good luck to him,
And what do you think his future is with the Dolphins?
Then he gets it right here and his future in
the NFL, because if he doesn't do it right with
the Dolphins, I would say he would get one more chance,
but let me tell you this, it would not be
(53:21):
as good as this chance. This is gonna be his
best chance because he goes to an offensive team that's
gonna throw that football, gonna have tour and he got
the mastermind. You got an offensive mind, mastermind at coach.
Come on, bro, come on, bro, no mess up. And
you in Miami, boy, you better stop.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Playing with me.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Let me get traded to Miami. Let me find out.
I'll be like RG three, right, here, I'll be like, man,
I love never shut up. I love doing what I'm doing.
I'm good. My foundation is kicking. Oh, I ain't never
playing in the NFL again. You stop playing, boy, you
know how much it hurt my knee. Y'all, ain't the Dolphins.
I ain't lie if the Dophins, I ain't playing in
it NFL again. But if the Dolphins call, we'll have
(54:02):
to see what they talking about. All right, let's fuk
up from comics. Let's fuk up from comics. Yeah, talk
about McAfee from yesterday. All right, Pat McAfee. I think
it's just a part of what kind man y'all gotta
proof free y'all comments make me sound eating it up here.
I think it's just a part of what kind of
times we live in. It's just easier and more convenient
to watch content like this online.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You right.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
My kids do not watch TV unless it's Thursday night football,
unless it's Saturday morning football, unless Sunday football, unless it's
Monday night football, I swear.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And the rest is pepper pig. And that's online too, dammit.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I mean, they watching Disney, they watching Frozen, they watching that.
But seriously, they do not watch shows, They're gonna watch shows.
And speaking of watching shows, watch me next week, I
think Wednesday, Will of Fortune, celebrity Will of Fortune.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
I'm on there. Check me out see if I won.
How much I want?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
All right, and let's talk about this one. I like
to watch a whole bunch of pat shows in real
times sometimes, but I really like to see the segments
I like with certain co.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Stars that show up.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Their editors are very good and serving out pretty sizable
chunks of their show. ESPN is benefiting a lot because
I'm watching actual ESPN content from their other stars, because
it's showing up at the top of my recommendation list
now and I've never.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Used to see it. M okay, cross promoting there.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
That's why it's good to be on that big platform,
because you get to get all that big to help.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Make your big bigger.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
That's how it goes FS one what Hell's first things
first is Wild's background as a producer, preach. It helps
with the subject choices, and the show is like hearted, yes, yes, yes, Okay.
Then there's another long comment. Damn is comment too long?
Speaker 2 (55:45):
But basically I give it to you like this first
things versus at the top of their game because of
a few things. The chemistry feel so organic. Blah blah blah.
Great's great. Great. The show's biggest problem is topic burnout.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yep, yep, yep. A lot of y'all like that comment. Yeah, Skip,
I don't know why they always like that same ass topics.
You'd be like, dog, are the Cowboys best team in
the NFL? Are the Cowboys one of the top five
teams in the NFL? Will the Cowboys make the playoffs?
Like if they top five? If they the best team?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah? Alright, let's go here, Marshawan.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
The wild part was Marshan tried to holler at Rush
through player personnel because he didn't have his numbers, so
Russ called him from a block number. What type of
shit was that? I know people that represent Russ too,
They the homies, real tight.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Russ different. But I knew Russ was different. I met him.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
He was a rookie, and I met him at the
party we taught for a minute, and I was like
two things. Either he corny, which is fine because I'm
corny and I'm a nerd, but I'm a corny nerd
he's just corny. Or turnaround, big dog, Why why should
I turn around.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Because I see a string and you're just saying the
same damn thing, like dog, relax.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Like I just want to go up to him one
day and just go like this, grab his traps, relax, talk,
be normal, go hawks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
That's the only thing. But so what, I don't mind
him being corner.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's just like he locked up. He like a prisoner
of himself. He's stuck in the corn stalk. Come on,
big dog, All right, ch'all we got any more? Oh yeah,
we got Kelsey Swift right here. We have no problem
with it. We just don't want you to make it
seem like she's bigger than the game. Okay, I respect that.
Here's another one, Wiley, I agree with you. Okay, that's it.
(57:32):
He agree with you.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
All right, y'all know we finished every show we finished
for the White lee Is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Coach used to always say get your head out the
parking lot every Friday, the men because he knew I
was in them streets.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
I was ready to go.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
All right, what you know you are still learning? Does
that make you feel good? What you know you are
still learning?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
My two biggest issues I have right now, and I'm learning.
You know me, Yeah, I know me. Dammit.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
It's like them people over there trying to clown Candice Owens,
the transgender people and what was it.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
By non binary gender people? They all trying to.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Cloun I know myself, I know what I am. And
I was like, yeah, I know myself too. But guess what,
I'm still learning, still learning. I gotta work on this one,
becoming more attached. I told myself this morning, attach yourself
to more things. Dick Buckets rest in peace to great
(58:34):
dick Puss Dick Buckets, who died yesterday in his sleep
at the age of eighty. And my dad is seventy six.
I'm like, attach myself to my dad now. I can't
lie to y'all. So there's times where I call my
dad and I'm like, go see him, and I'm like, nah,
I gotta go do this, And i'd be like, you
(58:54):
better force yourself to go see him because hes about
to die soon, right whatever soon is four years, ten
years years, it ain't fifty years. Let's just say that, right,
And then I'll be like a little scared to like
just keep the like cause one day you're gonna call,
he ain't gonna answer.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
One day, he ain't gonna call.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
You, you know, And I'm like, damn, be more attached,
Like deal with the pain that will come. But don't
try and distance yourself so you think you're gonna deal
better with that pain.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Catch me. I gotta work on that. Another thing I
gotta work on it. Stopped eating McDonald's late. Oh man,
I'm still learning. No matter what, you know, you still
learn it right yourself. Like you know, it ain't gonna
eat that Nigga d last and now that boy I
hate that thing. At like twelve o'clock up in the drive,
(59:46):
we were gonna go to Chick fil A. They were closed.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
I was like, all right, that sounded kind of healthy,
even though it's hell of salty on them. Damn little
little wing tips. They be having whatever they have, the
little balls. So then I'm like, damn, go home, just chill.
You ain't that hungry.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It just locked in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I'm like, I just came out from a party, gotta
eat something. And then Niggi Dee's was right there, bright
ass yellow down, just calling me. I sound like they're saying, Mama, Marcellas,
come on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I'm like, all right, here I go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So what you know, you are still learning. I hate
a stubborn person, even though I love a person of conviction.
That's why I love this show because I don't want
to debate shit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I want to discuss. I want to talk about both sides.
And let's move it this way a little bit. You know,
like you doing furniture. You'll go to your boy. All right, man,
let's go Okay, you can see and he can't. He
going backwards. You go to the right, a little to
the right. You're right, not my right. That's that's life
to me. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
We all gotta grab this damn couch and help each
other instead of like pick up the couch of drop it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
That's it. I don't want a debate. I don't want
to do it. Yes or no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
No, let's a little that way. Man, Skip is doing
the right thing helping out black people. Eh, he ain't
really helping out black people like that. He shouldn't be
just helping out black people because they're black. Oh well,
he would a gatekeeper. What is that white guilt?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
That's what I want to do. Sorry, seems like y'all
want me to do it too. You don't believe me,
don't believe me. Just watch Love for you guys. Man,
so yourself everything in this world. Man, just remember what
you know. You're still learning, all right, y'all. That'll do it.
For More to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Want to keep the conversation go on, Let's talk. Find
me on all socials at Marcel's.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
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(01:24):
y'all know how we start off every show. What's up
with that?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Dude? Well, I think I found my final piece to.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
My foundation and my global concept of what Project Transition
is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Peak this out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So I go to lunch, and I'm going to lunch
with a former colleague of mine, right, actually not just
my peer.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
But my former boss, and my former boss.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Was sitting there breaking bread, talking that talk, doing what
we do.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I always had an affinity for this individual former boss
of obviously one of the networks that I work with
worked for. And we're just talking normal life, catching up,
and we always loved each other, always loved each other family,
and we just finally had to connect.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And then it got deeper in.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Terms of what this world looks like to us and
what we want to do in terms of impact. I
learned him of my efforts, which he was already apprized of,
which made me feel good because he.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Knew what I was doing. He knew all of what
this was.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
He knew that I was talking on a daily sports
entertainment life show, but at the same time really having
to trying to have a deeper global impact in terms
of philanthropy and helping out the communities.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Across the world.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So he was like, I know all that, and guess
what I'm into now. And we had similar conversations. He
big business, big corporation, big network, was now looking to
do something in the philanthropy space.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So it looks like we.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Gonna be doing something Keether, WHOA that would be amazing
because this man has done amazing work. Can't say his name,
Gotta protect the guilty, gotta go through the process.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
All I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Is, yeah, about to be a problem out here, probably
transition about to get it in. After that, came home,
kicked it with the Eddy biddies a little bit, and
then I went to the Berry's boot Camp twenty fifth anniversary, Yes,
twenty five years of Berry's boot Camp.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Have any of y'all ever been to Berry's boot Camp?
Raise your hand if you have. I have good Lord.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I went back in like the early two thousands off
season workout. One day, I'm riding down ventur hanging out,
living in La. My boys just like, man, what we
gonna do today, Let's change it up?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
All right?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
All right, my boy said, Berry's boot camp is dope.
As soon as I heard boot camp, I was like, man,
I don't feel like going to somebody else's boot camp.
Like we got camp coming up in a few months, Like,
let's get ready for that camp. I ain't going to
no boot camp. I was thinking military and crazy. I
was like, sound a little too intense. Protect his vessel,
protect his body. But anyway, I go up in there.
(04:03):
He told me it was fine girls in there. He
won line.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I went up in there, like looking at the trailmill,
I was like, I'm about to fall off, Like thirty
treadmills lined up, and I'm like, walk the hell.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Up in hill at a nine to thirty in the morning.
Don't y'all gotta go to work? And they were like nope,
and this before ig so they were just models.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So I'm in there working out and I'm over there dying.
Did their instructor if you ever been, you know what
I'm talking about. He's like, all right, get off and
now go lift weights. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna
go lift waits then he said get back on. I
was like, dog, pick one, homie, Mary's boot cap will
whip your ass. And it's been going strong for twenty
five years. Friends with the CEO and their family. So
(04:41):
Joey John, Little Frankie, MJ and her were like besties
when they lived out here in Los Angeles, went to
the same school, et cetera. Love for the family. Went
to that party last night. That party, I saw everything.
It was, first of all, was gigantic, sponsored by everybody
you could name. Diplo performed. It was sick, insane, great stuff.
(05:05):
And let me just tell you, man, I saw.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Girls bigger than me, dudes bigger than me.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Every letter of the alphabet was there, and everybody was
in there, grooving, clowning, partying. I love stuff like that, man,
no borders. I don't care what you say. And this
one person was dancing. I don't know what song this was,
and I was like, I wanted to dance off.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I was almost in that zone, but I didn't want
embarrass my wife, and she was feeling embarrassed because I
was already cutting it up over the here. I was
joking by myself, so I wanted to dance off, but
it wasn't my night. Salute to everything you do. And
I got to meet the Berry. There's a Berry. I
was like the whole night, I was like, is there
a Berry? The boot camp because your name is Joey?
Your name John all the Exection where Bury at and
I met Barry. Salute to Barry who lives out there
(05:50):
in Nevada, man, and your product is still going strong.
Took it from here to the world, eighty four facilities
and fourteen countries.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think I saw. That's amazing. Salute to you guys.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
All right, y'all know this show is power by y'all,
and you also know it's power by Project Transition, where
we go into the communities and we help those kids
discover they're inner power and amplify for the world to
see so they're greater than their greatest excuse. No excuses
count when you're talking about achieving your dreams. And this
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(06:24):
You guys can have this book as well. I will
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Speaker 2 (06:43):
All right, let's get into the show. Enough talk, why
shut up?
Speaker 1 (06:45):
All right, let's get it in ESPN and FS one
getting criticized by y'all back back, y'all shooting at them
because y'all like, Yo, you're not discussing the start of
the Major League Baseball playoffs, and y'all like, what, how
the hell the playoffs gonna start in a major sport
and y'all don't mention it barely at all. So the
(07:08):
significant part of their programming was not spent on talking
about baseball, even though they hold the TV rights to
the Wildcard series.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Now that's what the gangster is.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Y'all don't spent money to have the rights to broadcast
the games and don't even talk about the games or
the broadcast. So people were questioning and took it ratio
like we do in this country.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We got a problem.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Why the predominantly white majority sports like baseball. I know
they thinking hockey too, but they ain't say it. But
the hockey two baseball do not receive the same level
of coverage. Therefore, and scrutiny as the NFL and NBA.
Somebody just start it starts terpet This was what the
(07:56):
criticism was about. Morning shows got into the conversation. Personalities
across FS one and ESPN all question online why don't
the majority white sports get the same scrutiny coverage as
the NFL and NBA.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So Ryan Clark took the baby.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He said, I'll answer that right, and he talked about
that it's not all about just the scrutiny but also
about the popularity of the sports and the viewer engagement.
Seem pretty simple, right, dug like, ain't nobody tripping on
anything except is it popular? And if it is popular,
(08:35):
then it qualifies for us to cover it. Therefore, the
scrutiny will come because the praise is there. So Ryan
Clark said it in his own words, quote you think
it has to do with the color of the athletes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Or popularity of the sport? Bro? Come on, man, everything
ain't racism. And that's funny coming from Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Those football and basketball are more popular and more people
tuning together also tuning in to hear about them. It's
not all scrutiny, it's also praise. I had to clap
when I heard that from Ryan Clark because he's show
can make something racial faster than most. But good for
him for breaking this one down. It's really simple. This
one was about how popular are the games. Now, it's
(09:17):
interesting you see these networks not covering it, and we
think they're.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Dumb for not doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Now you're gonna buy something and they don't even promote it,
don't even be proud of it, don't even want to
show it displayed. How are you gonna have the rights
and not want to talk about that you have the
rights that you have the game?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, let me tell you this.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
They're gonna talk about what they see moves the needle,
simple as that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Now, they may be looking at a different needle than
you are.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Linear Cable, Nielsen rating's, viewer engagement, the digital streaming, etc.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Fans likes and comments.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know, they may be looking at different needles, but
they looking at a needle to see if it moves.
So we all know that the networks use minute to
minute data tracking to track the audience engagement, y'all. So
focusing on topics that are relevant that viewers engage with
is what the networks will show. Now let's get into
(10:11):
this conversation because y'all know we all see undisputed in everybody,
I don't care who you are, is like but the
same ass topics. Then you watch first take grander topics,
wider breadth of topics. Okay, and you're like, all right,
why there they're talking about more than over here. If
they're both looking at the tracking and the numbers, it's
(10:32):
two ways to cut this. And I'll take you to
the DJ booth to let you know how this goes,
because y'all know, I've been DJ and since nineteen ninety
seven officially but unofficially on a tape deck since eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Eight, maybe even earlier.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
In that I was over there and listening to the
k theyre doing this rewind play, rewind play, so they
would be playing something.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Once up quick at about noon noon then new.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I used to do that for real, rewind play hit
that thing and so fast that anyway, let's talk about in.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
The DJ booth DJ one on one first day you
get to DJ and you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Know how to DJ, you don't know how to blend,
you don't know how to drop it on the one,
you don't know how to do any of that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
But you know songs.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So the first era most DJs make if they ever
do a gig, just play songs, they says, you say, hey,
just mess up, but this is how you're gonna learn.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Play songs. You know what, they play, hit hit hit
hit hit level level level.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
They don't know anything about the energy of the song, right,
you don't know anything about the tempos, and you're just
playing hits and then you realize, okay, I gotta waves
this thing, right, I gotta have contrasts. You know, when
you get on a roller coaster, it takes you up
for the big drop and that's the most exciting part.
(11:47):
Then it takes you back on and then it makes
you do a loop and like, all of the different
dimensions and elements make it an amazing journey. But if
you just got there and it went, you be like, yeah,
that's it. Okay, con sooner or later you get used
to it. Then it's like we're flying. But okay, that's
(12:07):
what this is.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Undisputed, undisputed, underspooted, undisputed goes like this and.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You're like, oh, okay, all right, that was Ah, that's it.
We're gonna go backwards, nah, get on walk and then
first take gonna go, and don't lie. Every time you
on that hill, don't you think about getting off? Every
time you're like, man, you see them stairs right there,
be like yo, you see that flag that lasts little flag,
(12:34):
and you'd be like yo, somebody can walk up here
and give me, and you be like, if I raise
my hand, they gonna come me. I ain't no punk,
I ain't no punk. I'm a punk though, And then
it go And that's first take. I'm giving you number
one versus number one on a different network.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That variety, that range, that whoa, whoa, oh.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Baseball, I ain't like, oh god love, we got some
football talk. Oh god, oh we're talking about racing whatever
it is. And they just take you all those places.
So when you bring it back home to this conversation,
the thing is, they know those levels of engagement. They
know what gets you up and down and arousing into it.
Y'all ain't into baseball, y'all not not on a national level,
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not on a big grand level regionally, of course. And
it's funny because if you look at baseball, everybody's thinking,
how is it profitable, which we know it is, look
at them contracts, but not so popular? How you gonna
be profitable and not popular. It doesn't make any sense. Well,
obviously it does if you get down into the granule
(13:39):
levels of how they market baseball local, regional to those
areas they have their own cable networks in terms of
Yes Network for Yankees, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Stuff like that. It makes sense financial sense, but relevance.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It doesn't necessarily attract the viewing audience. So a lot
of people have a tough time digesting baseball. I used
to coach baseball. My son played baseball. I know all
the any biddies that are interested in sports. When you
bring up baseball, you get the same response. Either the
kid takes to it or the kid hates it because
they don't have the attention span. Kids will go out
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there and draw up lego dirt. They would be making
up lego pieces in the dirt. They just be out
there just doing whatever right because they ain't feeling it,
they can't lock in.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well that kids ain't the only one to have that issue, y'all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Adults, so stop complaining about the TV coverage when the
TV coverage is responding to you. It's kind of like
when we're having this conversation about what pops on social
what pops on this show never shut up what pops.
Typically if Stephen A. Smith or Max Kellerman say some
warl words, I don't care if I come up here
(14:51):
and have a Nobel Peace Prize topic.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I don't care if I come up here butt naked.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I guarantee you which one we're gonna get more views me,
but nugget no, kid, it's gonna be Max returns fire
and to skit uh Steve to day.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Max responds to Steve it, that's y'all. That ain't me.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I'm a cover it because I know I know the
ins and outs of that. But y'all are the ones
who're gonna say I want that. So we need to
take some onus as an audience and stop always blaming
the network.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Then they'll never show nothing and undisputed. Man, oh, y'all
talk about this cowboys because every time he talk about cowboys,
y'all be getting hyped up because he talking about the cowboys.
Now will admit y'all also are saying talk about something else.
But he like, nope, I'm gonna play the hits.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Member the DJ DJ error hit hit Hit, You learn
to throw in that other song, throw in that b
side song. Throw in that dope instrumental to everybody rock
to but don't know what it is. Throw in a
new song that people are like, damn that sound dope?
Who that you know? Throw in that odie? But goodye
don't just throw in top forty all the hits, right,
So what you guys are trying to say, but you
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need to say it to yourself first in that mirror,
because y'all the reason why we ain't seeing no baseball talk.
They literally mentioned it twice, literally mentioned it twice between
eight o'clock and two o'clock on ESPN literally twice. The
Major League play baseball playoffs. That's all they say. You
want to hear what they said? This is it. ESPN
(16:22):
has TV rights to the Wildcard round of the Major
League Baseball postseason that starts today.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Said it one more time, that's it six hours. It's
kangs down here.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So y'all think Sports network should strike a balance between
covering sports that y'all ain't interested in, like baseball, even
though they had the rights. No, no, no, And did
y'all think any of this was racial? I ain't even
get at the time of day, like Ryan Clark didn't
I didn't either, like, there is a time when it's
having let's have that racial conversation. I would not shy
away from it. But I was like, dah, you trying
(16:53):
to make baseball racial when it's not. How many white
people play still, how many black people play? It ain't
us everybody else. We already know Dominican Cuban put ricking
Latino's out there rolling right, So I ain't want to
make that one.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Rachel. I'm glad that we ain't have to go there, all.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, So let me know what y'all think about the
coverage of that, because obviously you don't think too much
about it because y'all ain't thinking too much about baseball.
Oh man, I gotta hit y'all. So my goal is
to come in not the beginning of the show, but
every other time. What a different song that just gave
me energy? That was dope as hell?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Y'all? Remember this song?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Oh, this is like, this is like my earliest moment
I think of getting hype over rap music.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
H Remember that song Iron and Iron and Iron and
I Aint Bubba giddy up? Y'all? Remember that song? What
giddy up? The cat used to do that? The cat?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You having on the puma flute like I remember that.
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three wants to change his reality. He's like, yo, right now,
this mic is cool, this suit is cool, this beat
is not recital.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I was out it like that, and then where's that from?
Y'all know where that's from.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
He's like, Nah, this ain't it. I want to go
back on that field. Job unfinished, got unfinished business out there.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So we know who he is. He's on ESPN.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
He's the host of the Wave Sports podcast as well,
and he is talking about playing football for real. I
ain't gonna step on his seeds. I ain't gonna stomp
out his dreams. But we're gonna discuss this. He says, quote,
it's been no secret there's a lot of players that
are afraid to say they want to play when they're done.
(19:44):
They're afraid to say they want to play. I'm not
afraid to say that I love the game of football.
I will come back to that comment later because I
don't agree with that comment. But Griffin is being candid
about his aspiration to continue playing football, departure from many
retired NFL players, myself included, who are hesitant to omit
(20:06):
their desire for a comeback. If the right opportunity came along,
I would certainly entertain it. Now I say it with
your chest. Now, no, no entertain it, which you mean ertainer?
You just said you want it. See, this is what
I'm talking. This is what Kaepernick got caught up in.
Kaepernick and his crew must be sitting back. It's like, yeah,
I entertain any offers. Boh, you better be thirsty out
there if you want it. Like that's we can't be high.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
On the hall.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Don't be high on the hall. Don't be high on
the horse if you want it. Dog, you remember when
you wanted to get into the NFL. Now, look, I
know RG three was the third pick overall, top pick
number two.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Me I was the second rounder.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So we ain't in that same conversation and I'm not
in the same conversation as him. But damn it, if
I kept falling, that's what I would have missed saying
I'm calling I need an opportunity. Don't like when cats
just like entertain it. But don't want to beat up
too much of his words. So Griffin revealed that as
recently as August, the NFL team contacted him about joining
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their quarterback room, although he didn't disclose the team's identity.
He protected the guilty since he didn't go and take
that job, and he knows that would kick up some
dust and hurt his future chances, especially if you're not
gonna take those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So maybe he entertained it, maybe he didn't.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But if you want to play and somebody offered me
right now, man, you know what I want to do?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Dog? For real, Man, I can't lie to you. Dog,
I just want I just want another chance to play.
Just turn that corner one more time.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Get busy, and somebody calls me, He's like, yeah, we're
thinking about bringing you in.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, I wouldn't entertain it. I'm be like, yes, thet go.
Let go. What I gotta do? Where y'all?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, we y'a address your own line off a figure roll?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Okay, I'm over there. So come on, man, let's get
into this Griffin situation.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
A lot of people heckle him, a lot of people
think it's amusing, a lot of people know that it
is genuine, but still he's the butt of some jokes.
I even posted something I saw where he was talking
about it. They cut it up and pipulated it. I
didn't do it in any male intention. But to me,
if something funny, I'm I'm gonna put it out there.
Ask Stephen Jackson, asked Matt Barnes, who are my dogs?
(22:08):
But when Kwame Brown was at their head, I was
posting and talking about it too. I'm that friend like
I'm clowning you too, And if you don't like it,
then we may not be the same friends because.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm not changing.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But I'm also not gonna stop laughing at the joke
because you the butt of the joke.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
You ever see that. That's what Will Smith did.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That's what Will Smith got caught up into. Wait, man, man,
I've been like this my wife. Maybe you know what
I mean, Like you might start laughing. It got you
get him.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Back, It's all good. I'm a comedian too, let me
shoot at him.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So anyway, his openness about this is put a bullseye
on him. At the same time, it's been three years
and that's where part of the ammunition for this bulls
eye is coming from.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
All right, let's talk through this story right here. Let
me get his quote again.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
His quote was, there are a lot of players that
are afraid to say they want to play.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's what he basically.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Said, I can't say no to that, But I disagree
with that because I've seen more.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
A lot of players that are more scared.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
To let it go than actually want to go and
play again, and they can be looked at as the same.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You can confuse those two.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I should say, But being real, I know more guys
scared to let it go than scared to say, oh,
I want to go back.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Cats die in that locker room. Some of them cats be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
On their last leg, can't play that well whatever, don't
want to go home, don't want to go back, don't
want to go to the real world, don't know what
they gonna do next.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I've had way more of those conversations, Cass.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
When I left Jacksonville my tenth year I retired, I
was like dog one, I'm sorry, and I was still
making run plays, but I'm a DN and long story short,
in my day, you gotta get them sacks and that
running game they were hyping up that wasn't doing it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
They were saying that, but they ain't care.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Who are the best d ns, Bruce Smith, Reggie White,
sack sacks right, But then in that era, they kept saying,
oh yeah, go play the run, go play the run.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's all good. I was playing the run still, I
wasn't getting no sacks.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And guess what I wanted to leave because I was like,
better days are ahead somewhere else, because my best days
are behind me playing football. Every single dude in that
Jacksonville locker room, to a man, was arguing with me,
where you going, Wiley.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
What you're doing. You don't gonna stay paying you. You're
still chilling, You're still good. They were to my run man,
what you doing? And I was like, Oh, I gotta
do something else. It's time to move on. What you're
gonna do then, I don't know, but I got enough
to say. I got enough say where I ain't gotta
be forcing something and then I'm gonna figure it out
when I get into the real world. Won't you figure
(24:59):
it out? Yeah? This is kind of a painful way
to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Let's just say not just physically my knees start hurting,
but more than that, I had a torn growing off
the bone. I was like, I swore to myself, one
more surgery, one more major injury.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm done. Tore my growing off the bone. And I also.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Said this, it didn't feel good being in the locker
room where you're not held in high esteem when you
used to be right now, that's meaning that I didn't
want it. That's why this whole entertaining stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
When you ain't happy being number fifty three, you don't
want to play football no more, not to that level.
You gotta want it, like.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like a ray Lewis, like I've seen Junior say out,
like I've seen them great ones, like dog, just give
me anything and I'll tear it up. I'll go at it,
I'll beat it one. I was like, mine gotta be
convenient now. And when it wasn't convenient, I was out
literally that summer, literally that offseason. The Giants were calling
(26:00):
Marcel's come on, stop playing who leads the NFL?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
What do you do? You ain't even on TV doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You just chilling getting fat, probably and hanging out with
all them girls and running errands, riding around the rolls. Royce,
you're right, and it doesn't hurt. So I didn't take
their calls. I mean I respected them, but I was like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
They won the Super Bowl that year out you beat dumbing.
You thought it was gonna be a good ending to
that story. Hell no, I should have kept playing. But
that's my point. Most guys want to keep playing, and
they do, but when it's over to r G three's point,
it's a lot of them that want to go back.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But I think there's a lot more that realized, oh,
ain't nothing left back there, but I'm scared to go here,
so they don't want to admit that they can't let go.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I thought that was an interesting conversation that RG three
was having and being candid. I respect that man for that.
RG three and I've been cool over the years. I
haven't seen them forever, but you know, him and his
ex wife. I don't know what else, but yeah, RG
three and his wife. Yeah, good people's man. Always been
a great god, big heart. So let's see what's gonna
(27:12):
happen with this. Y'all think that RG three should be
back at the NFL. I will say this no, as
an evaluator, this is how it goes. Sorry, even RG
three to hummy, I'm not picking up somebody who used
to do it, who stopped doing it, who wants to
do it again?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know why?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
There are a lot of other talents on that conveyor
belt way. Younger than you, way more spry than you,
way more spongy than you in terms of taking this
information and this culture in. And I'm a vesting them
because they cheaper too. You may come cheap, but they
got all these VET minimums and all that stuff. Would
(27:50):
you would you gonna get a rookie undrafted?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Would you a couple bucks? All right?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I got you. So I just think that it's not
gonna happen. I'm gonna be interested. If the gando, I
would love to see him go, but then he gonna start,
So he's just holding the clipboard clipboard. What's better? That's
a question? Be them in coming? What's better? Third string
in the NFL or WLL. RG three has a ESPN
and his podcast right now, what would you take?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I want to see what that is?
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And is RG three gonna get an opportunity to get
back in the league. If so, which team is the
best fit? Whoa one of my hypists? Maybe my hypists
all the way through high school? This got me through it.
I wish I wish I could do y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I have this thing black. It'd be pitch dark in here,
and then all you will see is nothing but like
the stage, you'd be like squinting trying to see that,
and then you hear brothers assist us. I don't know
what this brother is coming to. And then I literally
would do this with the likes I if it yes,
(28:51):
the rhythm the rebel, Oh my god. All right, y'all, man,
I need a moment for that one. That is insanely
hype right.
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(29:53):
let's talk about what Skip is doing not for the community,
well maybe for the black community. According to Dion Sai,
we know that he recently thanked Skip Bayless when he
was in Bold of Colorado for providing opportunities to black
former athletes in sports media, and Skip Bayless expressed how deeply,
deeply meaningful Deon Sanders' words were to him and why
(30:15):
it mattered to him to get those opportunities and give
him away at ESPN and Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
All right, it was a cry fest out there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We saw, you know, Dion and Michael Irvin giving it
up real love.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I love seeing all of that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So here's a quote watching last Friday, when Dion said
what he said to me in Boulder, Colorado. Somehow, that
moment to me just felt so meant to be. Somehow
to me, that moment felt like it had been in
the making since I was three or four years Oh. So,
Bailey shared this upbringing growing up in a challenging environment
(30:50):
with alcoholic parents and a significant role played by Katie
Belle Henderson, a black woman from Chicago who helped raise
him and taught them valuable life lessons. He said, quote,
I did grow up in Oklahoma City. I was the
oldest of three children in a broken home, wrecked by alcohol.
From the start, Katie Bill Henderson taught me right from wrong.
(31:13):
She taught me about the evils of alcohol. She built
the foundation in my life that to this moment benefits me.
What Dion thanked me for came from Katie Belle Henderson. Okay,
now we all know. Skip Bayless emphasized how Katie Bell
was more of a mother figure to him than even
(31:35):
his biological mother and how she got him on the
right path because his father was a functional alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And his mother would drink till she was drunk. Drunk.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
A tough sledging for Skip Bayles's growing up, and he
said he learned how to be on the right path.
Values wisdom all from Katie Bell. Okay, so now let's
go all the way back to his ESPN days. If
Bayliss has an invited everybody on the show, including me.
I used to be on Cold Piece, used to be
on first take at ESPN, Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Irvin, Jalen Rose,
(32:08):
Shannon Sharp, etc. Richard Sherman now Lil Wayne, Now I
chose it man, you I chow there. Now he comes
across and I've always said this, listen, Skip baylist on air,
comes across, not too respectful, you know, stubborn, etc. But
(32:29):
then off air, I've always said he's a bubble, like
just gentle, like a cloud, like, Oh he's so cool,
super real. But this takes a little turn for me.
So let's talk through that turn and that twist of
how this story is. Because Dion was giving him his flowers,
and on that level, we should get him his flowers.
(32:51):
At the same time, there's something about this story that
just doesn't sit well with me, right, and I'm gonna
talk through it. So Skip Bayless had an example of
growing up white family, etc. Oklahoma say all that with
a black housekeeper basically, and she taught him not only life,
(33:13):
but she taught him, I guess some empathy and respect
for a different culture, different experience, different race, different that's
nicity a black person gotch I experienced the exact flip.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's crazy and it wasn't in the same respect as Skip.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
But I was a young kid and at my grandmother's house,
which I would live there until I was age five,
age six, and then was there every single weekend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We had two white families that stayed with us.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
My grandmother would get extra money, she was in the
medical field. She would get extra money take care and
being a caretaker to these two older white people, an
old white man and an old white.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Woman, Uncle John and Anti glow Right.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
So I grew up with a different dimension of looking
at race as well, kind of like how a Skip
is talking about and it was weird. So Skip is
hearing on the outside, what black people are, you know
in this country obviously from slavery all the way through
the era where Skip was growing up in the South,
what a black housekeeper, let's say, in the fifties or
(34:23):
whatever it may be, sixties, Civil rights era. You know,
you're hearing about the inferiority of black people versus white
people and their superiority, especially at that time, and they
were trying to level the playing field and make it equal,
equal rights.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Civil rights era.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now flip it to when I'm in the seventies, in
the eighties and you know, we having a lot of
different issues, but still some of the issues and the
remnants of that.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But now it's morphed into gang violence.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
And there was a war on the streets and the
war and drugs and crime, et cetera. And black people
are largely the reason is happening, and largely it is
happening two black people all in this little tight local
called the hood the ghetto, and then white people are
protected and white people are synonymous with the.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Suburbs and peace and harmony and safety.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
That's what I'm hearing, and that's why I watch throws
like the different strokes, and I'm watching different strokes.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
The kids from Harlem go all of a sudden to
Manhattan and to the Upper West Side, and next thing
you know, they're living lavishly. And I remember seeing that
and I'm like wow, and then you mix into that bam.
But I got two white people right here who need me,
And then people telling me that they're they're they're more
(35:44):
powerful than me, they're superior to me, they have it
better than me, they they they And I'm looking like, well,
aren't they part of them?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Aren't they a part of them?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
So now makes sense to this reconcile that cause it
must be deeper than just white people have that. And
then Skip had to go through, well, it must be
deeper than just black people are all that because look
at this beautiful black woman raising me better than my
white mother. Okay, I love all that. And then what
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does that do to you? It can make you go
two places. It could go make you have guilt if
you ever harbored some of that negativity and then had
it corrected.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Through that experience. People always talk about white guilt, etc.
Or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Or it can actually magnify what you already know about
this world, that it's way deeper than skin color, and
that you really need to look at people. If you
want to give out and see equality, you have to
display and emit equality. That's where I think Skip falls
(37:05):
short in the understanding that's the only issue.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let's talk to this issue.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
We have similar experiences, but he's taking it to a
different place. When he says he gives out opportunities, or
they say I should say they say he gives out opportunities,
he accept that and says, yeah, I give out opportunities
for black people because I was raised by a black woman, literally,
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that is not actually showing equality.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Literally, that is not actually.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Taking the great things that you learn from that experience
and putting them on full display.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Because now that would seem like.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
The black guy gets to go to the plate and
get four strikes where the white guy gets three being
one of the black guys that got an opportunity. And
it didn't come from Skip, but it was on Skip's show.
So let me give him his credit and it's due.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yes, I never ever thought, and I never want to think.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
That Skip looked at the pool of ESPN candidates and said,
you had that young woman that just retired. Marcella's bring
him over here because he's black. Because I was raised
by a black person, so therefore, let me look out
for him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I believed enough in me.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I believed enough in what my powers were that I'm
gonna be here regardless black, white, orange. I didn't want
to get in because of the color of my skin.
And I know he's well intended, and I also know
that he's well he's coming from a great place. At
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the same time, the road to hell is paid with
good intentions. And boy, this conversation is getting hot because
as much as everyone's giving them props. It always comes
off to me as if black analysts and personalities that
are saying this, including Deon Sanders, that we're buying into
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an inferiority complex that we're buying into, like thank you
Skip for hooking us up, like we want to go
hook ourselves up, like we couldn't get hooked up no
other way other than you're good and you're black, not
just good enough. I just don't want to have that
(39:46):
circulating through me. I don't want to digest that. Skip
Bayless with intention is looking out for black people because
they're black. These are key. Shot Johnson is a personality.
Khawn Jonson wrote a book as a rookie sucker. Just
give me the damn ball. He's a nut, he's funny,
(40:08):
he good, dude, does his job well right, Dion Sander's
next level. Come onst I'm playing.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Michael Irving lights up every room. Richard Sherman better broadcaster,
would have help it than he is without and he's
great without but with one. Oh my god, Like admit it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
When Richard Sherman's saying, you're like, I don't who is
like Charles Barkley, move over, like you know what I mean?
I just wanted to stop down on that because what
that means to me is like, oh, it makes me
think is SKIP coming from a place of guilt. So
therefore he's trying to overcorrect because I had the flip
of it.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
And guess what, I'm not trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Seek out all the white people and you say, oh,
cause they ain't got it, No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I just I raised two that didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
I grew up in the neighborhood with few others, many
others who didn't. There are more poor white people in
this world than and wether in this country to stay
in this country, in this country than black people.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
More. Yeah in the numbers. Yeah, not in the percentages,
but in the numbers. Yes. Man.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
We get caught up in this twist sometimes y'all thank
you for the job and opportunity, like and I know,
and I get disgusted, and I know, I get really
disturbed perturbed when people are like, well, you're in an
affirmative action case. I'm like, boy, you ain't seen my
(41:33):
test scores, you ain't see my grades, You ain't listening
to me.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
You weren't gonna get into Columbia unless you were black.
You weren't gonna get in Columbia unless you play ball,
all right. So that's where that conversation goes for me.
I wanted to let that out kind of RG three style.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I want to go back and play, you know, let
it out, because I heard it and I kept hearing it,
and I wonder if other people hearing.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That or I'm just like rabbit he or it like ah, man,
you're hearing too much.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But the props that Skip Bayless deserves is he has
a show, and on that show he is looking for
the most talent, the best talent. But this plays into
what I hear people when you hear criticism of Skip
Bayless in this respect, in terms of race, you hear
that he's a culture rture vulture, culture vulture, culture vulture.
(42:27):
He needs a black person to go against. And if
Skip is saying, nah, I just need a black person
because of how I was raised by a black person,
I don't think either one of those is good like kIPS,
you know what I mean. So I'm trying to put
this in this proper place because I know he's doing
a great thing in terms of stocking and staff in
(42:48):
his show with the best talent, but is it the
best talent or is it just the best black talent?
Rachel Nichols says like, Hey, I'm over here for but
y'all get the point.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Let's beat this up in the comments. Man, I'm trying
to learn from this one.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I want to condemn him, because, boy, the last thing
you should do. We used toart Max and I used
to always say that is never clown the fat girl
once she comes back from the gym with the sweaty wristbands.
That is a weird way of saying. If somebody trying,
let him be, though, right, he trying, so I should
let him be. But something about this doesn't set well
(43:25):
with me.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I wanted to see what you.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Guys thought about it, all right, because the ain't no
firmative action over here.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Damnit. Everybody's like, yo, it ain't me, it ain't me.
It's like, yeah, it is, it's you. It's you.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
So let's beat that up in the comments. Tell me
what you think of this whole situation.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Did it sting you a little bit like that too,
like oh, thank you Skip for the opportunity, or did
he was like, nah, do you just reaching forward?
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Let me know, and what role has Skip basis really
played in promoting diversity and giving voices to athletes different backgrounds,
et cetera. Right, because it's weird people giving them all
the projects. But the first time I got on first
take wasn't because Skipped wanted me on first tape. It's
because the boss was like, Yo, we need to have
marcels on it. An audition more, Jamie Horowitz, if you
want to know, because Marcellus is good, let's see how
great he can be. So you know, I just I
(44:06):
just want to see what that is in the comments
and other than that in sports and media, how important
is it to have diversity and inclusivity?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Should it reflect the demo of the sports the athletes?
Or man, stop talking about race? If you could talk that, talk,
entertain and educate, go up there. That's the way I think.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
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your support. Chase Claypool gotta go, We gotta go, We
(45:41):
gotta go. Chase Claypool is out of Chicago, and talk
about like all right, y'all, peace Sucker landing in Miami
with the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
God. First of all, Miami a better city than Chicago.
I know what y'all gonna say. Don't tell me about
the damn lake in April. Once the spring, it's amazing,
but it's about four months of great Chicago. The rest
of that time.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Come on, man, it's thirteen months of great Miami.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Devin, you better stop playing. And he played on the
Dolphins with that receiving corps in Tua. He better be right.
He better get right.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
If he don't get right now, he can't get right
if he doesn't go back go for bad. A bad
situation in terms of what he made Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh
was right for him. I know, quarterback change, young quarterback,
trying to figure it out. But bad over there. Then
Chicago bad over there. First game memory when viral for
(46:39):
how bad he played, bad clips, everything all bad, and
they were done with him. So they got a sixth
rounder out of him, which is good because they were
done with him and he's still a big, fast, talented kid.
But something ain't right. So let me talk about what
ain't right because we don't don't know the incidents. I mean, look,
(47:01):
everybody seen him end of the game Minnesota doing this.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
That was bad.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
But there's an attitude that must be present that is
just turning people off. And I know those type of
attitudes because when it's not incident, it is attitude. It
reminds me of Antonio Bryant, if you guys remember him,
but Letting the cough winner. Talented, he didn't have a
(47:31):
bad attitude in terms of like what I think Chase
Claypool has. He had an attitude like he just was
about I'm a ball and that's it. I don't want
to hear nothing else I got. Let me be like
that kind of attitude like I'm good.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
And he was good. He was damn talented, but didn't
know the buy in.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Not necessarily the streets were a little louder for him,
but not you know, I would just say he was like,
I'm good, I'm good, you know, one of those kind
of casts a little iso on his and it didn't
do well for him, and in terms of it didn't
support him in his career. You know, he didn't get
all that he could have got out of that, even
though he asked some good years in there. And we saw,
especially in Tampa, I saw man Antoni was silly. Silly,
(48:12):
well he was silly. Oh I gotta tell y'all One
day I'm gonna tell y'all story about Antonio. I'm gonna
protect the guilty, but it's gonna be Antonio.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
This sucker. He did something amazing. One time.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I was like, god, Lee, I've told you guys about
the story of him beating up Bill Parcells. That's to
my point, Chase Slake, who ain't beat up Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
He ain't beat up the Bears coach. But something to
us be wrong with his attitude. Right, So Antonio Bryant
one day, give it to you real quick, because I
get the story. A lot was running nine routes. Key
Shawn there, Key Shane like, yeah, keep running them, youngster,
and he like running them. Finally he just got pissed.
He was like, men, well, Key Shan, do some of
these routes. Ain't like he don't need him or something
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like that. Key showing Bill Parcells this type.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
So he keep shining Bill Parcells looking back like he
ain't running nine round.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Shut up, you know what I'm saying. And then finally
he he was like, I ain't doing no more, took
off his jersey, threw it on the ground, was walking off.
I'm out deuces. I was like, damn suck.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
First thing I swear, the first thing I thought was
made me laugh on the inside, was like where are
you going? You gonna quit the NFL today? Thursday? Whatever
the hell? Thursday, October seventeenth, Like where you're going? Like
it's one thing, the flex, one thing, the front, one thing,
the stunt. But where you're going? Like you quit the NFL? Anyway?
Philp ourselves follow behind him, Grab the jersey. Where you're going?
(49:33):
You known who you go?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Grab a jersey catching up to Antonio? That less you know,
Antonio want to go nowhere? How the hell Bill Parcells
catching up to you? He don't want to go so anyway,
finally grab the jersey, throws Antonio talking you know you're
talking like you kid, Hey, hey, AI.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
And throw it at him. It's a jersey. Ain't on him.
This sucker got in the matrix. He threw the jersey
while the jerseys in there. This suck. Antonio went down young,
grab the jersey, threw it back at him and they
hit it with a wh wh what all in one motion,
like I just did put parcels parcels stumble back like
Charlo and Canelo.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Stupid but boy being man, ah my god, dang, it's
real today. It's real NFL right here. And you know
what the NFL stands for. It stood for him not
for long. Yo, ass ain't gonna be there, but parcels
end up cutting them on the midnight on random Wednesday,
six eight weeks later.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
But the point is he never got all he could
out of him because of his attitude.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Attitude is altitude how high you will fly right your attitude,
because that's gonna help you rebound, respond and also give
you what you need to recharge to do the task.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Your attitude. So the pros is so crazy. I only
brought this story up because.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
So many people always come up to me talking about
how good somebody is, you think they could go pro.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
And I'm like, the pros is way more than just talent.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like for real, it's like attitude, professionalism, perseverance, perseverance is huge.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
You just gotta last through the process.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
When you're the man. At eight years old, you're a man.
You're getting recruited at the snack bar. You're gonna have
nil deal. When you're fourteen, you're gonna be eighteen. Everybody
getting gifted cars and trucks and girls think you the cutest,
and these girls are so pretty and they everywhere and
(51:33):
they don't matter. You got money. You just gotta make
it to the NFL. Forget how good you are. Everybody
good that's gonna qualify, But are you gonna cross.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
That finish line?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And when you cross that finish line, let me just
tell you hard to reset, because it's starting over again,
only on a greater grander level.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
These cats, all black belts, these streets all tempted. What's
your attitude? You locked in or not?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
So when people want to know, how do you get
to the NFL, to the NBA, you gotta be insanely
talented and frankly have a great character in terms of
finishing what you started, which is all of that talent
in that sport, that endeavor manifesting.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
You gotta finish. And then when you get there, that
ain't good enough. Chills, Oh you fast, good for you?
And and what else you got?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Oh you're big and strong? Good and meet him too,
him to him too, So Chase kaypool Man. I hope
it works for him because I've been fascinated with his game,
Like a few plays, you know a few of those
Pittsburgh players. I was like this boy, he could be special,
but something between here is sabotaging him.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
So what y'all think the situation is with him?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Cause I haven't heard of the incidents, and help me
if there are incidents, I don't know did my homework.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I was like, that ain't enough.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
The attitude is, though, and they don't always put that
out there because they don't want to ruin the youngster.
They don't want to give them that label all the time.
They just say good luck to him, good luck to him,
And what do you think his future is with the Dolphins?
Then he gets it right here and his future in
the NFL, because if he doesn't do it right with
the Dolphins, I would say he would get one more chance,
but let me tell you this, it would not be
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as good as this chance. This is gonna be his
best chance because he goes to an offensive team that's
gonna throw that football, gonna have tour and he got
the mastermind. You got an offensive mind, mastermind at coach.
Come on, bro, come on, bro, no mess up. And
you in Miami, boy, you better stop.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Playing with me.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Let me get traded to Miami. Let me find out.
I'll be like RG three, right, here, I'll be like, man,
I love never shut up. I love doing what I'm doing.
I'm good. My foundation is kicking. Oh, I ain't never
playing in the NFL again. You stop playing, boy, you
know how much it hurt my knee. Y'all, ain't the Dolphins.
I ain't lie if the Dophins, I ain't playing in
it NFL again. But if the Dolphins call, we'll have
(54:02):
to see what they talking about. All right, let's fuk
up from comics. Let's fuk up from comics. Yeah, talk
about McAfee from yesterday. All right, Pat McAfee. I think
it's just a part of what kind man y'all gotta
proof free y'all comments make me sound eating it up here.
I think it's just a part of what kind of
times we live in. It's just easier and more convenient
to watch content like this online.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
You right.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
My kids do not watch TV unless it's Thursday night football,
unless it's Saturday morning football, unless Sunday football, unless it's
Monday night football, I swear.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
And the rest is pepper pig. And that's online too, dammit.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
I mean, they watching Disney, they watching Frozen, they watching that.
But seriously, they do not watch shows, They're gonna watch shows.
And speaking of watching shows, watch me next week, I
think Wednesday, Will of Fortune, celebrity Will of Fortune.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
I'm on there. Check me out see if I won.
How much I want?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
All right, and let's talk about this one. I like
to watch a whole bunch of pat shows in real
times sometimes, but I really like to see the segments
I like with certain co.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Stars that show up.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Their editors are very good and serving out pretty sizable
chunks of their show. ESPN is benefiting a lot because
I'm watching actual ESPN content from their other stars, because
it's showing up at the top of my recommendation list
now and I've never.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Used to see it. M okay, cross promoting there.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
That's why it's good to be on that big platform,
because you get to get all that big to help.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Make your big bigger.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
That's how it goes FS one what Hell's first things
first is Wild's background as a producer, preach. It helps
with the subject choices, and the show is like hearted, yes, yes, yes, Okay.
Then there's another long comment. Damn is comment too long?
Speaker 2 (55:45):
But basically I give it to you like this first
things versus at the top of their game because of
a few things. The chemistry feel so organic. Blah blah blah.
Great's great. Great. The show's biggest problem is topic burnout.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yep, yep, yep. A lot of y'all like that comment. Yeah, Skip,
I don't know why they always like that same ass topics.
You'd be like, dog, are the Cowboys best team in
the NFL? Are the Cowboys one of the top five
teams in the NFL? Will the Cowboys make the playoffs?
Like if they top five? If they the best team?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah? Alright, let's go here, Marshawan.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
The wild part was Marshan tried to holler at Rush
through player personnel because he didn't have his numbers, so
Russ called him from a block number. What type of
shit was that? I know people that represent Russ too,
They the homies, real tight.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Russ different. But I knew Russ was different. I met him.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
He was a rookie, and I met him at the
party we taught for a minute, and I was like
two things. Either he corny, which is fine because I'm
corny and I'm a nerd, but I'm a corny nerd
he's just corny. Or turnaround, big dog, Why why should
I turn around.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Because I see a string and you're just saying the
same damn thing, like dog, relax.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Like I just want to go up to him one
day and just go like this, grab his traps, relax, talk,
be normal, go hawks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
That's the only thing. But so what, I don't mind
him being corner.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
It's just like he locked up. He like a prisoner
of himself. He's stuck in the corn stalk. Come on,
big dog, All right, ch'all we got any more? Oh yeah,
we got Kelsey Swift right here. We have no problem
with it. We just don't want you to make it
seem like she's bigger than the game. Okay, I respect that.
Here's another one, Wiley, I agree with you. Okay, that's it.
(57:32):
He agree with you.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
All right, y'all know we finished every show we finished
for the White lee Is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Coach used to always say get your head out the
parking lot every Friday, the men because he knew I
was in them streets.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
I was ready to go.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
All right, what you know you are still learning? Does
that make you feel good? What you know you are
still learning?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
My two biggest issues I have right now, and I'm learning.
You know me, Yeah, I know me. Dammit.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
It's like them people over there trying to clown Candice Owens,
the transgender people and what was it.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
By non binary gender people? They all trying to.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Cloun I know myself, I know what I am. And
I was like, yeah, I know myself too. But guess what,
I'm still learning, still learning. I gotta work on this one,
becoming more attached. I told myself this morning, attach yourself
to more things. Dick Buckets rest in peace to great
(58:34):
dick Puss Dick Buckets, who died yesterday in his sleep
at the age of eighty. And my dad is seventy six.
I'm like, attach myself to my dad now. I can't
lie to y'all. So there's times where I call my
dad and I'm like, go see him, and I'm like, nah,
I gotta go do this, And i'd be like, you
(58:54):
better force yourself to go see him because hes about
to die soon, right whatever soon is four years, ten
years years, it ain't fifty years. Let's just say that, right,
And then I'll be like a little scared to like
just keep the like cause one day you're gonna call,
he ain't gonna answer.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
One day, he ain't gonna call.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
You, you know, And I'm like, damn, be more attached,
Like deal with the pain that will come. But don't
try and distance yourself so you think you're gonna deal
better with that pain.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Catch me. I gotta work on that. Another thing I
gotta work on it. Stopped eating McDonald's late. Oh man,
I'm still learning. No matter what, you know, you still
learn it right yourself. Like you know, it ain't gonna
eat that Nigga d last and now that boy I
hate that thing. At like twelve o'clock up in the drive,
(59:46):
we were gonna go to Chick fil A. They were closed.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
I was like, all right, that sounded kind of healthy,
even though it's hell of salty on them. Damn little
little wing tips. They be having whatever they have, the
little balls. So then I'm like, damn, go home, just chill.
You ain't that hungry.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It just locked in.
Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I'm like, I just came out from a party, gotta
eat something. And then Niggi Dee's was right there, bright
ass yellow down, just calling me. I sound like they're saying, Mama, Marcellas,
come on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I'm like, all right, here I go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So what you know, you are still learning. I hate
a stubborn person, even though I love a person of conviction.
That's why I love this show because I don't want
to debate shit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I want to discuss. I want to talk about both sides.
And let's move it this way a little bit. You know,
like you doing furniture. You'll go to your boy. All right, man,
let's go Okay, you can see and he can't. He
going backwards. You go to the right, a little to
the right. You're right, not my right. That's that's life
to me. Man.
Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
We all gotta grab this damn couch and help each
other instead of like pick up the couch of drop it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
That's it. I don't want a debate. I don't want
to do it. Yes or no.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
No, let's a little that way. Man, Skip is doing
the right thing helping out black people. Eh, he ain't
really helping out black people like that. He shouldn't be
just helping out black people because they're black. Oh well,
he would a gatekeeper. What is that white guilt?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
That's what I want to do. Sorry, seems like y'all
want me to do it too. You don't believe me,
don't believe me. Just watch Love for you guys. Man,
so yourself everything in this world. Man, just remember what
you know. You're still learning, all right, y'all. That'll do it.
For More to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Want to keep the conversation go on, Let's talk. Find
me on all socials at Marcel's.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Wiley More Too is a production of Dan Patrick Production
That Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show is executive produced
by Dan Patrick, Marcell's Whially Paul Anderson, and Nick Panella.
Thanks for all the love, ratings, and subscriptions and reviews,
membership to Wiley's World on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Keep it coming because there's more coming from More to It.
Talk to y'all hell a soon
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