Ep 179: Will Miami struggle to trust Coach Mario🥶🤯 Purdy hater??? 🥶 Rich Paul likes what??🧐🥶 Dr. Chao!! 🤯🤯🤯

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All right, y'all, y' know how we start off every
show with what's up with that dude? Well, yesterday had
a pickleball social. The kids weren't in school. It was
Indigenous people holiday for some kids and not other kids.

(01:32):
I'm like with y'all segregating the kids. I tell you
one thing. If it's a private school, if you're paying
money for that kid to go to school, that kid
is not going to any holiday, whether it's an official
government holiday or just the homies just saying, hey man,
I don't know about today. They do not go to
school because we're paying for it. That's why it is
like that. They ain't got their money there, ain't got

(01:54):
the money in the bank. They're like, all right, we
got Indigenous people today. Now, I was asking my friends, love,
where your kids at all the school? I was like, anyway,
that's how that went. Yesterday had a pick aball social
that was fun. I'm playing a lot better right now.
My body's feeling good. My neck is on fire, and
it's weird. You know, former player, and you're like, damn,
I got some injuries. You always say how you feel like,

(02:15):
I'm good, I'm good, and then you neck just burning
right now. So if y'all see me looking a little
stiffer than normal, it ain't for no other reason but
taking on that lead block practice Oklahoma drill or something
like that. So other than that, we had basketball practice yesterday,
very physical, yester ity biddies. We were trying to show

(02:35):
them picking rolls and how to set screens, and I
think we showed them the right way and they took
it the wrong way because Chis was just running. To
you God, I was like, you can't keep running once
you get there. You gotta get big and just square up. Why.
I mean, they were on the floor, and I always

(02:56):
tell kids stay off the ground because the ground is undefeated.
The ground has never lost the battle with any athlete ever. Right,
So I'm just looking at kids, just bowling, pining and
just falling like Domino's trying to set moving screens which
gonna be illegal, which we can't do anyway. But hey,
they were just trying to do what we said and
what we were doing a little bit harder. So love

(03:17):
to the eddy biddies. They had a good practice yesterday.
We're still undefeated. We'll see how we play this Friday.
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recurrent donation, this is yours all right, y'all know what
it is. It's time for us to get into this show.
So let's talk about things. Man, my man, Mario Crystal
ball Man. He made the wrong call, the wrong decision
in not kneeling down at the end of that Miami
Hurricanes game. We saw him losing Georgia Tech. We all

(07:21):
saw it went down. Don't want to bore you with
those details. Want to take you behind the veil of
how it feels to be betrayed by your damn head coach,
because I know we've all been there on some level.
If we play sports, you know that call that came
in and you're sitting there like but you don't have
the authoritie to say anything, and you run that call

(07:44):
to futility and it doesn't work out, and you look
to the side better than I did because my neck hurt.
But you look to the side and you're like this, mother,
what just happened here? Okay? So let's recap final moments
of the game. Miami opted to run the ball thirty
three seconds remaining. They could have just kneeled down. Game over.
Guess that wasn't fun enough, so then they up twenty

(08:05):
seventeen Don Cheney junior fumble. Georgia Tech would coover win
seventy four yards twenty five seconds twenty three to twenty
come from behind, Yellowjackets went forty four yard touchdown pass
from Haines King Kristin Leary. Let's go to war. Okay, now, coach,
it's one thing to gamble. See, this is not even gambling,

(08:27):
because gambling is you're spending your money in the hopes
of winning more money, but in the reality of probably
losing some money. But it's yours. I don't even call
what he did as a head coach gambling. We gotta
make up a new term, because damn it, I ain't
you money. You wouldn't earn everything I have, yet you

(08:50):
have to earn my respect. You have to earn my trust,
but you force it and it's in force just because
of your title, just because of your status. So I
can't bark because I can't bite. What's the use of barking?
Bark back of the coach? See what happened to you?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Benched?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Passive? Aggressive, forgotten? So you're sitting there like this, sucker.
Everybody on the field gotta know kneel down. First of all,
we're the ones out here. On a typical run play,
it's always this, why why why? Everybody going to war? Right?
What you're doing coach checking at the second button is

(09:32):
still good on the polo. You call them all right,
so game over, But we gotta go to have some
more contact for fun, for sport, for what we already
won the game. So I've been in this situation before,
right where I'm looking to the sideline like I don't
believe he called this, and it makes me respect the
great coaches, and even great coaches make bonehead plays, bonehead calls.

(09:55):
But at the same time, it's human chess. Play the
game the right way because you are doing that to
our services. This ain't gambling that money, ain't getting up
and moving that money. Doesn't hurt, that money doesn't have pain,
that money neck ain't on fire. It's a real human
being doub and you want us to trust you. That's

(10:17):
the crazy, all right. So let me give y'all some
scenarios because it's just reminding me of how that Sunday criticism,
because you're gonna be the one to blame. They gonna
look at the team. The team now has a loss,
The players have a loss, the players shot at making
the college football playoffs. Slimmer, not gone, but slimmer. Right,
All of that comes back on us, and that criticism

(10:40):
is not the same as, Yo, my bad, they killing us,
and then you're gonna say my bad. I remember it
was like to me, it was Sunday criticism and Monday's
my bad. I look at that coach, coach calling me
a stunt. He said, all right, I want why, I
want you to run that et and want right inside
right there, make the play. Except I think they heard

(11:01):
him because they ran to play outside and ran scored
touch that everybody, Why get contain you? Sorry overplay boo.
And I'm like, hey man, can you grab the mic?
Can you go upstairs to the PA booth and tell everybody.
You called that bs and I was just doing what
you said and I shouldn't have crazy? Is that right?

(11:23):
And this is not even Mario's first rodeo or first
blunder in this situation, got a propensity to doing these
type of things. Man, isn't it messed up? Because I
know this happens to you. Got at work it god'sn't
working as well? You're superior. Your boss asked you to
do something and you sitting there like, man, you ain't

(11:43):
in the field. You ain't, you ain't got your feet
on the ground. That ain't gonna work. I hear a
lot of times y'all say that at the water cooler,
but you can't say it in his office, right, can't
say it even that you're cubicle right. I hate that
dynamic because I'm like dog, if you empowering me and
employing me, listen to me, you know not fully it's

(12:04):
a relationship. Though somebody on that field of one of
y'all eleven didn't want to say, coach, why do you
don't want to kneel it? That's how you're say in
college and approached be like kneel the ball college? Why
do you want to kneel. It ran that play and
game over. Man, I don't see how you recover from

(12:25):
this this season, because I don't think they're gonna get
into it. Look, they got North Carolina. That's gonna be
tough coming off of this. He's saying, how the kids
responded in practice? Uh, he said, we expected a good
response today and that's what we got. There's a lot
of conviction in our preparation and processes. The guys are
very eager to get back to work and prepare for
this weekend's opportunity. What else he supposed to say and

(12:50):
what else they supposed to do. But when somebody but
betrays your trust like that, you know how close you
are is just not trust to them at all, Like
you just don't have the same spirit and same conviction
and what they say now you can force me to
do things. There's a huge difference between me going through

(13:11):
the process emotions of doing something and me having the
same level of conviction and intention when I do it.
We'll see how they play. I'm just letting y'all know
mark this moment. If Miami doesn't go out there with
the same level of heart, it ain't they heart. It's
what they thinking, and they thinking, right now, coach, you

(13:32):
betrayed us? So what y'all think of this situation? Right here? Crazy? Right?
Y'all think he did? Y'all think he did? Like? No,
what was he thinking? Let's just go there. What give
me the best explanation of justification for what he did? Right? Like?
He really did that? I can't. I've been thinking through

(13:54):
my football mind. There's no justification for that. Let me
know what you guys think of that, and then think
Miami recovers from this. I think they could make the playoffs. Still,
let's hear that. Beat it up in the comments. Y'all
know I always come in with a moment. You're ready
for this? Here goes the neighborhood. Four or five homies
in the mothership, better known as the deuce that we

(14:17):
all want to mothers shit bet from the back house,
got tip us let us all, but it's dollars since
the foods can't hold us. How come iver tell you
hear a hard song, you get hard. He in a
recording booth, so he ain't hard. He reading it off
his phone, hit off the boats probably even have a phone.
When the next song came out. Huh, he was writing

(14:38):
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Let's get into the story right now, because this is
a story of perception. Yes, a lot of people perceive
Brock Purty as being a bad quarterback when he was
drafted as minster irrelevant. Well things have changed, but not
all things have changed because not everyone has given him
his proper respect and proper dude. So Brock party another

(15:23):
impressive performance, another one. Forty nine ers are perfect right now,
five and oero, and it's starting to lead to a
lot of conversation about not only just pro bo but
potential MVP consideration. He getting a lot of love as
he deserves it. Right now, they have not lost a
game with the nine to zero that he started and finished.

(15:46):
We know what happened in the NFC Championship game. He
got knocked out. Their chances got knocked out. With it
character come back at the end of man, he was done.
They were done. So they go as brock Purty goes. Right.
So you see an undefeated team with a quarterback playing
at that level hasn't thrown an interception? Who ain't thinking
he's one of the top quarterbacks. And this is interesting

(16:08):
when you talk about rankings. How fluid are the rankings?
How concrete should the rankings be? If you come into
a season and you have someone ranked low and they've
balling out of control, are you reluctant? Are you hesitant
to move them up those rankings? That's the conversation we
about to have right here, because Perdy's rise led to
a public disagreement with NFL analyst Stephen Ruiz and his

(16:33):
quarterback rankings at the Ringer calls in controversy. Now immediately
when I read that, and this is no slight to
Stephen Ruiz because he may not know who Marcel's while
he is wherever that is. Do I just talk about
myself in different oh man, But it just makes me
think of what Colin Coward said, like you got to
be interested, not always right, and to cause controversy. Controversy

(16:54):
is interesting, Like I would have never ever heard of
Stephen Ruiz until he incorrectly ranked Rock Party to get
some attention. Did he do it on purpose or is
he really believe in this? I don't see how you
can believe it because your eyes aren't lying to you.
The dude is undefeated in his career so far. The

(17:18):
dude has not thrown an intercession, and his dude's team
is undefeated as well. Okay, so Party was initially ranked
number thirty two by Ruiz, but he's moved up like
the Jeffersons, No, no, no, to twenty five. You know
who he's behind, Mac Jones, Daniel Jones, Deshaun Watson, and

(17:45):
Ryan Tannehill. Oh my god, Yeah, he did this on purpose.
See this is what I'm talking about that I don't
even know you do. But I know what you just did.
What you just did is whack change it. Get attention
by doing it the right way. As my coach, yall
he said, don't get bored with success. You know what
I mean, do it the right way and just keep
doing it the right way. It will come. I understand

(18:08):
you're doing it the tortoise way. Like me. I'm a
tortoise in terms of like my media takes and I
don't I got my I just had a flashback. My
producers just say, what's the hot take? What do you
feel about what you're hot on? To day Marcello's I'm
like hot, I ain't hot on nothing. What do you
mean hot? What's the what's the question, Homie? What you
mean hot? I ain't coming in with no headline. Look,

(18:28):
that's a tortoise approach. I'm not saying I was better
than somebody who had a hot take, but I hated
hot takes. So I used to come in with the
tortoise approach. And it is a slow build to get
your success versus I just go out there rock Purty sucks,
what what bring it? They'd be like, okay, right, but hey,

(18:50):
look out for that falling star, look out for those
falling stars. So all the outlets in San Francisco, everybody,
even Peter King naturally criticized Luis Rankins. But he's get
and Peter King to talk about him. And the last
time Peter King talked about Steph Ruiz, I don't know,
I don't remember pointing out that he called Purty mediocre
despite his rea success. So Peter King asked party about

(19:11):
the skepticism. This is interesting, and he said, that's a
good thing. He realizes no one in his building cares
that the ringer think he's a below mediocre quarterback, and
that's all that matters to him. A football player who
doesn't listen to the outside noise. How refreshing. No Peter
King said that about Brock Perdy and this skepticism, But
that's not true. Rock Purty hears the outside noise. He

(19:34):
listens to the outside noise. He doesn't internalize the outside noise.
We all can we all stop lying? We all hear
it all. Give you something different so you can understand
what I'm saying. If you got a girlfriend or you
got a boyfriend, you know where I'm going getting dressed,
trying to go to the event. Were going to Project

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Transition Gala. Oh yeah, they're gonna raise two hundred billion
a night. Yes, help these idy biddies around the world.
All right, let's go, baby, how do I look? No?
Why you're asking that? Because you want to know what
they think before? What they think? What do you think before?
I figured that out and bounce it out. But what

(20:17):
they think? And remember when you go out and you
get compliments, or you don't get compliments. It doesn't matter
because most of the communication is nonverbal. Think about this.
A woman walks up to me and I do and
she's walking towards me and I'm just doing this. She
may think she doesn't look good versus women walk up

(20:40):
to me and I'm looking like this. That's what they
do in la. This is the way you don't get
in trouble for saying damn you fine. You remember it
used to be like damn you what now you gotta go?
But point being, oh yeah, I ain't saying nothing. I

(21:02):
ain't say nothing, or just like this, you know you
gotta play it off now verbal communication. Point being, we
are always registering the pros and constant. We're always on
the field, we're always on the court. We are always
playing the game of life, which means there are cheers

(21:22):
ooh you look good baby, go out, you're gonna hurt
of the night or booze, what of those? What of the
you know what I mean? That's how life goes. So party,
here's it. He listens to it just doesn't internalize it.
It doesn't stick, and it doesn't have to stick. Somebody say, damn,
what kind of shoes of those you easily can fire
back food these pro wings, he's fresh. You ain't gotta

(21:45):
be like these are pro wings. I'm so sorry, I'm poor. Like,
come on, man, So Peter King talked through this, and
the Ringer and the ruiz Is, all of them are
going back and forth on this one, and he won't
move it. And why would he ever move his ranking now?
Not based on performance, based on your response, I ain't
saying nothing different. Look at all this attention. I'm getting crazy.

(22:05):
We live in this world of attention courtesy to this level. Now,
party's unfazed. But it's funny when the world doesn't give
you your flowers, when the world doubts you, when the
world wants to be hyper critical of you. You know
what answers are if they're telling the truth or not,

(22:26):
not only your results, but your confidence that leads to
those results, your belief in yourself. There are two volumes
in this world. One is internal, turn up the base,
check out my melody and lightest cigar, and the other
one is out there. And don't think that that voice
gotta be louder than yours. It's a damn lie. You

(22:50):
know why, because when I was growing up, I had
it in my head I was gonna do things, and
then I kept hearing in the background, sometimes the foreground,
that's the opposite. You ain't doing that. I mean, my
boys told me I wasn't gonna go pro o. Hurt
my feelings. It did. They hurt my feelings. They motivated
the hell out of me. Though I was gonna make

(23:10):
them eat those words. But I was like, you know
why hurt me? No other reason? Y'all my boys, even
if y'all believe me, pump me up to try and
go do it. As long as you don't leave me
a straight pump me up. I will pump my friends
come to me with anything if it ain't gonna hurt them,
hurt somebody else, waste their time or whatever the hell,

(23:34):
go get it. What do I need to do to
help you? Like I hated, my friends would deflate me
and then be the same friends that show up to
mow you got some tickets, show up to your draft party,
or I ooh, ain't nothing better when you're looking at
them like mm, you know I got you under my
thumb now because you ain't believe that's crazy? Right? Oh?
I hated that all right, So what you think about

(23:54):
this situation? Because I know Rock Party? Where's confidence? Is? Uh?
Where do you rank Rock Party in the NFL? Right now?
At quarterback? Is he top ten? Top ten? Sound easy?
And then you'd be like, oh that name, I say
top ten, I say top ten. I'll give him a
like he's playing like eight. He's playing like eight. All right,

(24:16):
the team is playing like ten, but he playing like eight.
Let's see it, and I mean ten, like a ten
out of ten. They're undefeated? And is this a simple
career hiccup? Like remember Jimmy G. It was Jimmy G
seven to o one got paid, Brock Party nine to zero?
Where the money at? If he does this this year,
it's a rap he getting paid? Or does this look

(24:36):
like longevity hiccup? Like watch out? It might be a
little more Jimmy G. Even though that's a winner, it's
still not even though I love Jimmy G. Or is
this long? Jeffety and now Brock parties? That dude, what
do y'all think about that? Taking y'all back to Columbia
one dollar dances at the plex, we used to go here,
he come now here? He come this of that? Everybody squad.

(25:00):
Come on, who's did every single person that heard that
song do the same thing? Squad? And to do this
telling truth, telling truth? I hated I got caught up
in that. I was in that impression those impressiable years.
I'll just do whatever I saw on MTV raps. Who's
a bleach you? What's so blench you? And then you
just bouncing from your boy? Oh? Oh you just bouncing

(25:21):
shait Oh had to do it. It was so hype.
I had to do it. Oh, I remember them days.
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to all the parties involved in this war in basketball. Yes,

(26:03):
Rich Paul, we know he is super agent, believes that
the ongoing competition between Wold and Shams is great for basketball,
is good for everyone. Let's get to the bottom of
why he thinks that. Now, y'all remember back in the
days when wol looked like he was beefing with Lebron
James and his camp, Right, he was really critical of

(26:24):
Lebron James. Let's just say that maybe he doing his
job but in a critical wait and that led to
expectations that they wouldn't get along. They weren't cool. Friction
between Wolves and Clutch Sports, which is Rich Paul's agency
that represents Lebron and all the NBA, not eight percent
of the NVA. It seems like goodness. Now, over time,

(26:45):
Wolves build a relationship with Clutch Sports and Lebron's camp
relationship were about to talk about that even assistant in
creating leverage for Paul and his client Ben Simmons when
Simmons wanted to leave Philadelphia. Who starting to get close
to that line? Get close to that line? So Shams
he represented by UTA previously now managed by the Montag Group,

(27:10):
not directly by Rich Paul. All right, y'all know how
this is about to go. So as comments are seeing
in the context of his interests maintaining good relationships with
two of the most influential NBA insiders, both woes and shams, right,
because those guys get the information out to you guys,
breaking news, et cetera. Now, a lot of y'all don't

(27:33):
like it. A lot of y'all disagreeing with Rich Paul,
Chris Paul, what's up, homie, feeling that the focus on
inside of the news is taken away from the game
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in and out of situations instead of just talking about
the damn game. And that's why there's a decline in

(27:56):
the ratings for the NBA. That's what you fans are saying,
and in general, right, here's a quote, the way that
they do their jobs and the commodification of info nuggets
has made NBA content less about the game and more
about the drama. H with so much drama in the NBA,
is tel that I got wrapped to reds oh Man

(28:20):
so interested. Paul acknowledges the importance of attention and awareness
in today's NBA, where marketing and branding play a significant role.
Says he says attention awareness matter more than ever, but
today's NBA news breaking may not actually be in the
best interest of the league ors players long term. Yeah,
that's what he says. Maybe maybe not because the decline

(28:42):
in the ratings is not supporting that. Oh. I love
the fact that we're always talking about off the court things,
off the court issues. So where do you guys land
on this one? Want to start there? Because where I
land on it. I look at all of the info
wars as condoms to the meat and potatoes meant potatoes

(29:03):
is ball, mean potatoes is championships, mean potatoes is stars?
Now what do the stars want? I love that, father,
I love that. I mean, look, hot dogs are good,
but hot dogs are relish. Oh even better chili cheese.
Chili cheese relish mustard. Ooh you got that? French is
not any kind of mustard. Don't great, papau me, French

(29:25):
is on that thing next level right? And to me,
that's what they do. They give you the storylines, they
give you the intel, They give you the perceived thoughts
or sometimes direct thoughts of what the player is actually
going through and thinking of I like it. I remember
I used to get agents calling me when I was
on networks all the time for stories and I was like,

(29:49):
oh okay, and they wanted me to talk good or
just know about a situation. I won't call an you
agents out because I don't think you called me in
that spirit. And I never took the and everything they
told me when in one year Illai, I was like, man,
I ain't gonna take care of your boy. That's that's
your client. I'm listening. I respect you, and I respect
your relationship, and I ain't gonna ever go in unnecessarily

(30:09):
and I'm not gonna take care of him unnecessarily. That
ain't how I play. But I did play with people
who play like that. I just be like, dog, we
ain't gonna talk about that, Nah, I don't wanna talk
about that. Why you know what? He couldn't say his
boy was representing that dude, And I was like, well then,
dogg we gotta talk about it.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
How you gonna talk about it? Figure that out because
we can't avoid this. But those politics happen all the time. Yes,
your favorite TV guy is getting phone calls from some player,
his representation, his agent to say this, and don't save
That happens all the time, and I couldn't stand it.
But I ain't care about it because I wasn't gonna

(30:51):
listen to him or do what they wanted to say,
So I didn't care at all. So what do you
think of rich? Well? You think of his opinion? Right?
Y'all think it's good that they the insiders, are having
this war, having all this information out there. Is that
good or bad for the NBA? And do you agree
that the focus has shifted from on the court to
break your news on your phone? I don't think it's shifted.

(31:12):
I think they supplement each other obviously, the foundations the
game on the court. Then you just pour some of
these spice and these nuggets from those on the outside, right,
the shams, the woges of the world, who'll go out
there and kind of fill in the blanks as we
watch that product. But tell me what you guys think,
are they taking this focus away from the product? Are

(31:32):
they adding to it? Eh? By y'all know what to do.
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(31:55):
dot org. All right, whatout wasting anymore time? Let's bring
in my doctor David Chow, pro football doc who is
now on the show every single week to take the
deepest dive that we can take into sports injuries. So
doctor Chow, oh Man, without further ado, let's speak about

(32:16):
right now the Giants and Saquon. There's some more stuff
going on even with Jones. What's happening over there? Brother?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well, you know, I loved your previous segment about look
the way media breaks news, right, there's no Woodward in
Bernstein and Watergate, like literally it's the agent telling the
reporter or the team telling the reporter. And that's great.
We get news that way, but there's spin attached to it.

(32:46):
And if you don't think that reporter needs to hold
the party line, because look, I know football better than
basketball obviously, but if one of the big boys doesn't
spin it the right way, you know that agent, our
team's going to the other big boy next, right, And
so there's just some of that. There's nothing wrong with that,

(33:08):
that's just the way it works. And what I luckily
built our premise, a sports indry central on is our
eyes and our insider knowledge, never insider information. Insider knowledge
of what the game is as opposed to insider information
in trading in that behold it and that's the fundamental difference.
So with Top Giants, look, I don't hate on the

(33:30):
Giants at all. I don't know coach Brian dabol but
like weeks ago we said sa Quon's got a high
ankle spraying period, end of discussion. It's not an ordinary
ankle sprain. And then that initial Thursday game is like
no chance. The next Monday night game, one extra day,
I don't think. So this next week we said questionable
at best. This week I think he is finally ready

(33:51):
to try and play. And guess what, it's the same
timeline as the twenty nineteen high ankle spraining. Three games
missed and we're just try and decipher it. Daniel Jones,
I like delivering good news. Daniel Jones left the game
after getting beat up. The man took sixteen sacks. It's
six quarters of play. Come on, I mean sixteen sacks

(34:17):
and six quarters of play, and you saw and you know,
Sports Injury Central, the whiplash type injury, and we said, thankfully,
sure it hurts, but I don't think this is long term.
And there was a lot of scare because he said
it felt like twenty twenty one and twenty twenty one
is a week twelve neck injury where he missed the
final six games of the season. Never had surgery on

(34:39):
the neck. He had some sort of thigh right or
other procedure unrelated. But we looked at the video and go,
it's not the same. It's not a disc it's not
a compression. It was a hyper extension. So we're optimistic.
Now the news coming out of the Giants is now
they have some optimism. He's not for sure playing next week,
but it's not season ending. We'll see. I think he
still has a chance to play next week, although maybe

(35:02):
you need that offensive line fixed before he comes back.
There obviously helped take some presure offer, right, I mean,
so that's what we do. We just go by our
own thing. We don't I mean, whether it was Travis
Kelcey in game, like Tony Roman was talking about high
ankles and some other media reporters talking about hig ankles,
like no that's a low ankle sprain. He's coming back

(35:23):
into the game.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Kind of why would we can not give you the
same timeline, like give me that layer. I know this
is two coincidental for it to just be like look
or just like a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Look, why show people just because of competitive advantage? That's
how the league works and different things, Okay, and you
know there's different spins and different ways to do this. Look,
Marcellus confession, not even confession. People know, Okay, I was
on the other side. So if you're an attorney, you're

(36:02):
the DA and you're a prosecutor, and then when you
just quit your government job, you go to the defense
because you know how prosecutors work, right, and there's an advantage.
So my advantage is I was on this side of
the equation. I was on the team side of the equation.
You know, I'll give you the inside skinny. I was

(36:25):
involved on the charger side of spinning the news when
Philip Revers had a torn ACL going into that AFC
Championship game, and you know doing it. So you want
the deep dive, here's the deep dive. Okay. If you
look at my Twitter page, the background picture not the

(36:46):
profile the header. I don't know, whatever you call it.
If you look at the roof, you'll recognize it. It
was the last game in the RCA Dome and I
am walking off with Philip Rivers and we already knew
we had a torn ACL. He was trying to get
back in the game. I was like, Philip, you can't
do it. On the plane ride, he already talked about
the knee scope and whatever to take care of the

(37:07):
meniscus and play with a brace with the ACL, we said,
just relax, we know, think on it. He's like, I
want to play. I want to play. I want to play.
I said the next one, let's meet at seven am.
Don't have anything to eat or drink. We'll see about
the surgery and see we can get you going. So
we met with the head coach, the head athletic trainer,
myself and Philip North Turner. Coach Turner says, Philip, Billy

(37:32):
Bullock has got this. Go take care of yourself. Philip says, no,
I want to play. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
So we still decide to go through and push through.
And he did play in that AFC Championship game. By
the way, he said it's a chance to play with
the Super Bowl. I don't know what I'm going to
get back there. And that was his only AFC Championship game,
that one.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
And yeah, you said pushed through? What does push through mean?
That was the part that I'm like, what is push through?
Did you have a quick surgery? Like, how do you
push through?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Simple surgery? And and he's wave TIPA. So this is
why I can talk about it. Simple n scope surgery
to take care of his meniscus. And then we're bracing
up the ACL to play, okay, and and so he
leaves the room to head the surgery and then we say, well,
coach says, well, what I'm going to talk to the

(38:21):
media next? What should I say? And he goes, he goes,
I'm just going to say MRI pending. And I said okay,
And I said, coach, what are you going to tell
him tomorrow? Right? And he goes, what should I tell him?
I said, well, he does have an MCL component. You

(38:42):
would not be lying if you talked about the MCL. Right.
So I'm not hating on the Giants. I was involved
on the other side. Okay, this is just the way
the game is played. That's all I'm trying to say, right,
I mean, it's not. And I'll tell you the funny
anecdote because like, one of the reason I love doing

(39:04):
the segment is I love the deeper dives and honestly,
we don't get to chattering now, so this to me
is just storytelling and swopping. Right. So we're in New
England and we're in Look, you know Buddy was on
that team. Okay, yeah, yeah, And originally I'm texting with
Buddy and like, oh, let's try and meet up. I

(39:26):
got team meetings on you know whatever, and he sends
me a text. I kid you not. He sends me
a text saying, we all know seventeen has a torn
acl and is not playing Sunday. You can tell me.
We all know, but tell me yeah, but like you know,
and at all now to this day, you know, rest

(39:50):
in peace. I don't know whether he was fishing or
actually knew something, right, but I just said l ol
of them laughed, right, I mean, I just like whatever.
So there is a lot of gamesmanship that goes on,
and this is why it happens. And like I said,
no no hate to the Giants or any team. Everybody

(40:11):
does it to some.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Extent, explain this gamesmanshit, because you're right. I mean, look,
it's almost like a parallel to me being a former
player and a broadcaster and now telling everyone, Hey, there's
a veil there, there's a curtain there. Let me tell
you behind that, what's really going on? Now? What's going

(40:33):
on behind Jonathan Taylor's contract? Because we were just on
this show and there was injury here and not tradable there,
and then now you got a big deal. What happened?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I said, from the beginning, my feeling was it was
hiding behind health if you look go through it, both sides,
hiding behind health. And congratulations to Jonathan Taylor and his
agent for playing it out. Well. He wasn't getting the
contract right. So originally the colt said, oh, we're not
paying you, and he's like, oh, I don't like that.

(41:05):
And then he said, well, I might not come to camp, right,
And then the colt said, well, if you don't come
to camp, there's this back issue and we're going to
put you on NFI non football injury, which means you
won't get paid and this that the other, and he says, well,
I don't have a back issue, but I do have
an ankle issue from last year still and we're like, hey,
that ankle issue we always thought was going to be

(41:25):
fine this year and we didn't see anything problem with it.
And so he doesn't come to camp, he's rehabbing on
his own, and then end up putting him on four
weeks out for the start of season because the ankle.
But wait a minute, and the preseason they were trying
to trade him, they didn't get a trade partner. How
do you trade a player that's injured, So how did
you put him on? So it'll sort of move countermove

(41:45):
And we said when this practice window opened that we
don't think it's his ankle. I think he's gonna be okay.
And well, at he gets a new deal, he's ready
to go. There's no ramp up time. Now. Admittedly Zach
Mass got the majority of the touches and the more yards.
But here, here's the thing. If you're the Colts and
you just paid Jonathan Taylor, you're gonna run him into

(42:06):
the ground and risk a hamstring or something else in
week one back or you're gonna say, getting flows split
with Zach Moss, who's doing well and by game flow
he was getting a lot of yards play him because
you paid the other guy. He's not like you paid
him and you don't like him. You paid him and
you want to make sure he's okay. So to me,
all of that dynamics sort of made sense on both sides, right,

(42:29):
They were just playing the game, you know, in terms
of the way that it is. So no hate to
the Colts, no hate to Jonathan Taylor's agent, well played
on both sides.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well do we hate the state of Anthony Richardson right now?
Because what three injuries in five weeks as a rookie?
We hate net? Right?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well? You know, I if I'm accused of anything, it's
I should be accused of defending players and ultimate respect
for what players put their bodies through. And I think
it is a complete insult when you hear Turns throwing
around the kid's injury prone. He is not injury prone.

(43:11):
He had a week one knee contusion that he played through,
he got his bell rung concussion missed week three, and
now he got driven down on his shoulder. What do
we have in common there? Injury prone is someone else
takes the same hit and is not injured, and you
are injured? Right to me, anyone who takes that hit

(43:32):
gets injured. What do we have in common? There three
design run plays. There is more danger when you run
and you extend plays out of the pocket. Now, if
you want to tell me the way Anthony and Richardson
plays makes him prone to injury, I'll buy that. If

(43:52):
you drive like crazy, you're prone to get into an accident. Okay,
doesn't make that. I think he can be proned. Look,
our boy, Philip Rivers was not prone to injury. Well,
he got a share of injuries in the pocket, but
he didn't extend place right, didn't really run, and he
had the all time streak. Now, there were injections of

(44:15):
goll that he did a lot of things, but he
didn't put himself at that risk because you know he's
got you know, army boots on his feet as he runs, right.
I mean, and but the bottom line is it's the
style of play. Now, will this continual if he keeps
doing that? I mean, you are at more risk, you
know when.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
You do that. I don't ten injuries this year. He's
on pace like injury prone. Look, I was injury prone,
and I don't need anyone to say, oh no, you weren't. Yeah,
it was because you know why. I know guys who
played my position who played never had a surgery, never
were hurt, didn't have any of the soft tissue issues

(44:55):
or the surgeries. And then there are guys like me
who had five surgeries in their ten year career. Then
they're guys like Mark Schliff who've had twenty five surgeries
in a twelve year career. And some point one of
you guys are injury prone and one of you guys
or not. We gotta make that line right there, And

(45:16):
Mark Slariff is I am sounds like Anthony Richardson already
in five weeks has had three injuries and missed multiple games.
That's not injury prone.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Well, there's no question his running style and his success
leads to more injuries. I mean, and the question is
how are you going to change that? But I just
make the distinction of injury prone versus prone to injury
only because I have too much respect for all athletes
to say, because injury pone a plot almost means that

(45:52):
you're not taking care of yourself, You're not doing the rehab,
you're not doing the workouts in the off season to
get right and I think that's disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
No, that's a great way of saying it. I do
respect you, respect and athletes for that, even though we
know no, it just means the results.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm injury prone. I'm out of shape, in my back hurts.
I'm injury prone, right right?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
He give it to me About this Shoan Washson, I
thought this was weird. I had to scratch my head.
You're cleared to play, but you don't play. What's that about?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's really interesting? You know, we looked at video and
we thought it was a lateral shoulder deltoy contusion. I
thought fully that he would play. I find it interesting
that he didn't play. I find it interesting. I didn't
hear the whole interview, but it is interesting that the
head coach let out that he was cleared to play, right,
And basically he's saying, well, we were planning on him

(46:46):
playing and he didn't play, and I don't think he was.
I mean, some people would say, wow, that's what I'm
under the bus, right, But I'm sure he's trying to
clarify that a little bit. And he hasn't practiced yet
this week, so we got to see here. There is
word that Tom Pellasaro is saying that it's a rotator
cuff contusion. Let me tell you something, There better be

(47:07):
a lot of cleanup on Aisle seven if he don't
play in six. Right in terms of the comments, all right,
And I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, I'm just saying
they got some cleanup to do there. I mean, you come,
you were cleared to play week four, you had a
bye week week five, and you're not going to practice
week six and maybe not play If you don't play

(47:30):
week six, there's gonna be a lot of questions asked
here and needed to sort out. Now if he does
have a rotator cuff contusion, that can't explain how it
takes time, how he finished week three but couldn't play
week four, and it can linger. But they got a
lot of cleanup to do on that information. So sometimes

(47:52):
keeping the veil close. And this is what I found
that when I have run into athletes and they stand
what I do, people that I have not met, they've
actually appreciated my side of it, because sometimes the way
the team goes it makes it makes them look bad.
Like right now, if Deshaun Watson doesn't play in week six,

(48:13):
he's gonna look bad without a lot of cleanup as
to what it is. If he does have a rotator
cuff contusion, and we're going back to look at all
the film from week three now with the staff, this
would make sense.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting your caught in that tug
a war of information. If you're a fan, you hear
someone's cleared to play, you think they're in perfect health.
That player does not want to go out there compromise
to the point where they may put something bad on
film in terms of how they play. So Deshaun Watson
been on the struggle bus for a while since he

(48:48):
got to Cleveland. Game here, game there, looking good, but
most of them spar I think he's almost at the
point in his confidence that unless I'm going to be
great in terms of health, I'm not putting myself out
there because the chances are it may not go well.
And I think he's in that place with all that
money guarantee, why risk it. They can do nothing to him,

(49:12):
and all he can do is go out there and
hurt his brand and hurt their belief in him. So
interesting when you talk about that, let's talk about how
there were only six players out of the nineteen and
the concussion protocol that actually returned to play. That's not
a good high number.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Doc was going on, Well, you know, there's a lot
of talk about the concussion protocol has changed this year
after two It hasn't changed, you know, like a lot
of times though, where the rules in the NFL may
not change, but they may gather the referees and emphasize
the rules, right, And I think that's what's happening. And
this last week, in Week five, so it's week four concussions,

(49:53):
four of the players returned to play, which increased number
from two out of fifteen to six out of nineteen,
and six out of nineteen approaches last year's numbers. So
there's no change in the protocol. There's just early statistical variants.
And of course everyone's being extra careful. Nobody wants to

(50:14):
be single out, like the red hat in Miami was
the guy in Seattle got yelled a temporarily, but he
at least he's getting praised for doing the right thing.
And look, Jamal Adams did not get fine. And let
me tell you, in my mind, it's great that he
made an apology. Okay, that's great. There is no way,

(50:34):
even absent in apology, that he can get fine. Look, Marcellus,
I've had people cuss me out on the sideline before,
and I've deserved it before. Sometimes maybe smart alec here
and there.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I mean, I know.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
There's one player that I won't name his name right
now and say you're right, you're right. Coming off the field,
he's I'm fine, So you sure you're right? Fuck off? Chow,
Yeah you're all right because you're normally pretty ownery, you know.
I mean that's happened before. Okay, I mean, and this
is where you have to know your personnel right and
read into people a little bit. Yeah, it's an emotional game.

(51:10):
And here's a guy he's never met who, after over
a year struggle to come out from the quad not
even ten plays in, says you're out of the game.
You'd be mad too. He didn't punch him. He exchanged
some words. If he punched him, Okay, that's just unacceptable.
He spoke his mind. I mean, it's okay, and what
I love and this is not coach speak, right. I

(51:30):
don't know if you saw this initially. Pete Carroll love
Pete Carroll, but he has a special brand. Actually, I
saw a website indexing coach speak of coaches, and we've
done that for a while. But I just saw someone
who's created a Twitter account for coach speaking. Pete Carroll's awesome,
he's Pollyanna. After the Jamal Adams yelling, said yeah, someone

(51:51):
said something he might have been yelling at someone who
said he was denying that Jamal Adams was yelling at
the red hat he clearly was video and now saying, Okay,
he yelled at him, but he was concussed and so
you can't hold him responsible and whatever. Just the spin,
the coach speak, it's just the way of the world.

(52:11):
That's all it is. And it's fine. And what I
do is I don't since I have no sources, I'm
not beholden to anybody, kind of like you, you're not
beholden it. You can look. I can be wrong. I'm
just looking at video. I can be wrong, and there
can be new information that comes out. Initially, I said,

(52:32):
Devon a chan is injured there and one angle and
a pile. I said, you know, it looks like high ankle.
But it turns out now that we have the ALL
twenty two, it's an MCL which mcl high ankle. As
you know, when you get rolled up on can be similar.
So that's the case where initially not exactly right, and
we can own it, but we just go We don't

(52:53):
go by whispers and sources. We go by primary information
and try and give you as you say, pull back
the pull back the curtain a little bit as to
the process.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I love it and that's why we're here, and I'm
really enjoying these segments. And I let you go on
this one. We need to pull back the veil because
if you look from the crowd to the stage, it
looks like Bill Belichick needs to exit stage left. What
is going on in New England? But I know there
has to be more to it. Give it to me, Doc.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Well, look, we all know that mac Jones is not
Tom Brady, right, and you know the Chargers went from
Philip Rivers to Justin Herbert. The Colts went from Peyton
Manning to Andrew Locke until quote the luck ran out,
and that's what you need, right. The Packers went from
far to Rogers right and right now, Matt Jones isn't

(53:47):
getting done on that side of the ball. But here's
the biggest issue. They've lost arguably a couple of their
best players defensively, right, Matthew Judah is a beast and
he tore is just the biceps and he is out
with surgery. And then their young rookie corner high draft
pick dislocated shoulder and he opted for surgery, which is

(54:12):
his right. I haven't seen his m marine. Some players
have played through with a harness. He's got good film
on tape. He's a rookie. He's his prerogative. But he
opted for surgeries out. They got J. C. Jackson back,
but jac Jackson is not healthy from coming off his
Battell attendant rupture. So you know, if you don't have
anything on either side of the ball, I mean, it's

(54:34):
a tough road there for coach Belichick. Yeah, it's a
tough road.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah. It's funny because when you look at sports, it
always is this conversation. I mean, I'm sensitive to the
athletes and the coaches, but he used to always be
this jockey versus horse conversation, right, just basically is it
the coach or is it the players? And being a
coach now and a former player, I swear as the players,

(55:03):
like you give me enough talent, I almost have to
mess it up. But if you don't give me much talent,
I can't coach all that up. Like I get to
a certain point, you tell me what you think.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Doc Well, I'm not gonna say anything negative about Bill
Belichick as a coach. I mean, did he make Brady
or Brady make him our guy? Philip Rivers? If he
was in New England? Is he as or less successful
as Tom Brady? I don't know, right. The coaching has
a lot to do with it, right, But you have
to have some baseline level of talent. But if you

(55:34):
are gonna criticize New England or coach Belichick, now I
don't think it's fair to criticize his coaching ability because
when you had Matthew Judon and Christian Benford, they shut
down Tyreek Hill, right, and not a lot of people have. Yeah,
But if you're gonna criticize, maybe it's GM Bill Belichick

(55:54):
because he is the GM that brings in the horses
and the talent and then coaches them. So if you're
going to be critical, I would be hesitant to be
critical of him as a coach, but you might be
able to be critical of him as a GM, and
as you know, it's a hard job. I mean, all
gms are watching college film all during the football season

(56:17):
while you're coaching. It's hard to wear those two hats.
And if there is something going on there, maybe it's
that because he's the one putting the talent on the
field as well as coaching him. And if he doesn't
have the talent on the field, in that case, it
still you know, points to one man there, and I'm
not trying to be critical of anything. I'm defending his coaching.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Oh don't qualify it. You nailed it right here. You know,
damn well, right now in October, Belichick ain't watching no
collegiate game film, so he's not even trying to wear
two heads. He just got a hat on the desk
and he puts on his coach his hat right here.
So I get to you later. Meanwhile, all those other
GM's that are exclusively there for that role are getting

(57:01):
that head start on Belichick. We see the results, We
see how he's losing that race. Appreciate your doctor, child.
Every single Tuesday, we're gonna have the pro football doc
in here, straight, pure dope intail, always giving us the
real Appreciate you brother to talk to you next week. Man.
All right, I love my guy right there. He got

(57:23):
me right too, y'all got me. I got paid and
then I got broke down. He tuned me back up
so I could keep balling. Always got a love and
affinity for doctor Child. All right, y'all was trying to
funk up some comments. Funk up some comments. Yeah, well,
all these comments gonna be on the same topic. Stephen A.
Plays the race card. You had a big joker, Yes

(57:43):
he did. Let's read these comments right here. Stephen A.
Smith was deep in his feelings about you calling out
his insecurity. You were careful to point out his intelligence
and vocabulary, and he ignored all that to slime you.
Appreciate you for not responding in kind. Admire you even
more with your composure in this segment. By the way,

(58:04):
I'm sure the boss is told them to leave it
alone since he's hurting ESPN with all that ish. Yeah,
I mean you people hear what they want to hear,
select the perception. I don't think Stephen A. Smith is dumb.
Matter of fact, I gave him props on his level
of intelligence and his deep vocabulary, which I think is
more extensive than even mine. However, what I was just

(58:26):
talking about was something completely different from that, highlighting Max's
supreme intelligence to not only stephen A, but to me,
Max smarter than me. You think that hurt my feelings.
I'm faster than Max, I'm bigger than Max. I'm cuter
than Max, like y'all some soft people when y'all and
I was like, man, look, if you think you're the smartest, Max,

(58:47):
you stupid. That's how I felt like, we not even
gonna do it. Georgia and Columbia, Oh they better than Columbia.
What else you gotta do? What else you gotta say today, Potna?
So to me, it was that simple, and he took
it a whole different direction, which to me showed his insecurity.
All Right, facts, I stopped watching these shows once they
stop analyzing the game. Ben Mahler, for example, is trash.

(59:09):
Who's been maller. Thank you for what you are doing
holding sports media accountable. Yeah, I don't care if y'all
call it gossip y. I don't care. If y'all don't
like it, don't watch it. I got segments. Watch U
doctor Child talk about injuries and coaches lying, watch us
talk about Rich Paul and shams and wolves. I'm gonna
give you the whole buffet. Eat what you want. I

(59:32):
like it all, but I'm the chef. Y'all make sure
y'all tune into what you want. However, I ain't letting
these dudes off the hook. I go to school and
I'm gonna say this again. Well, Russell Westbrook, who I love,
who I think is just he younger than me, and
I still like look up to him because of how

(59:52):
hard he plays, Like God, dang, I've never seen nobody
go on hundred percent of the time. And I respect him,
love his family, lover his wife, needed, the little kids
love They at my daughter's class, and there's there are
little kids that have teased the family, teased the little
dude before and where they get that AMMO from dudes

(01:00:13):
out there like that. So, man, I'm on their head.
Can't be ripping down heroes like that just because you're
trying to get your viewers up. No, I have never
commented on a YouTube show as I watch on my
TV had to come to the computer to tell Marcel's
to tell it like it is. I'm a seventy year
old man, respect who watches Marcellus every day. Mister Wili

(01:00:34):
is a confident man that I am no chip on
his shoulder. No, I don't stephen A is way off
on this one. Yes he was. I'm glad you see
through this one. Glad somebody in the media is genuinely
calling stephen A out. He's been on straight suckers stuff.
When it comes to Max, Yeah, like, we ain't noticing.

(01:00:55):
That's the thing. We're we're fans of you, Steven ain't,
so we actually listen to you, and then we also
know when you're happy, when you're sad, when you perturbed,
and you just have funk all on you. Every time
Max was talking, I was like, damn, do you care?
Obviously you didn't. He played the clout chaser card and
the race card. It was hilarious. Yeah, that caught me

(01:01:18):
off guard because I remember I told y'all about a
week or two ago, I said, I I listened to
a show I still will, which means I ain't gonna
hate this dude like that. And I was listening to
a show and I was like, Oh, he sneaked this,
and I think he sneaked this to me, but he
ain't saying my name, so whatever. But I hate when
Cats sneaked this, dol say my name and number. Like
my coach said, if I ever called somebody out, I

(01:01:41):
am saying their name and number. Now, if you did
something wrong and I don't think you should die for
it or everybody doesn't know it, I'm never gonna say
your name. I protect the guilty. I ain't trying to
get you in trouble. But if you doing something we
all noticed. Sorry, brother, Gotta do my part. Here's the thing.
I met stephen A. Smith for the first time in
two thousand and one. I think we're doing the best

(01:02:05):
damn sports show. Remember that show. I love that show,
John Sally and all them look, Chris Rolls, all them cats.
I'm an active player. I am in San Diego playing
for the Chargers. I'm that dude. I'm showing up with
throwback jerseys on twenty gold chains, just chilling right. And

(01:02:25):
I meet him in the green room. Hey are you
doing Marsels? Oh yeah, nice menius steven A. Smith. Okay,
he was like this, we got on air. He went
to the moon in his energy and I'm not lying.
I gave him the biggest props. I was like, dawg,
you turned that thing on and I respected that to
the fullest and I love that. So the point is

(01:02:49):
I've always had like a respect for him because how
you turn that on like that? And he was like, oh,
that's what I gotta do. So respect to stephen A
for always being that guy. But at the same time,
come on, man, clout chasing stephen Ah, what you making

(01:03:09):
right now? I was making back then that was twenty
some years ago, Like, don't do that cloud chasing. I
don't work every sing of them network. I don't have
show at the show. At the show. I'm not the
first athlete to have a daily show former athlete. I
think that would be Mike Golick. Correct me if I'm wrong,

(01:03:30):
but I'm second or third. I ain't long in that line,
like what man, Like come on man, and like he
tried to produce me because I'm at the crib chilling,
doing it my way independent, and he's like, oh, they
doing it for clicks. You doing it for views, And
I don't even think that's a negative. And I don't

(01:03:50):
think doing it for clicks is a negative. It's like
you want people to watch. But I give him all
the choices in the world. But when he tried to
go clout on me and clicks on me. You better recognized.
I'm Sam Sneve Foo. You better recognized boy over here
bragging about how much money you got your shows. You're

(01:04:10):
twenty years late. Br I've been there, done that. Ah.
I hate the flex, but when they flex, I got next?
All right, what else we got here? The last comment
right here? Let's leave on a positive one. Say something
good about Stephen Ain' somebody's damnit. Uh. If you have
a friend that goes to bat for you like this,
call them and thanked them. Solid. People like Marcello's are

(01:04:30):
hard to find in this age. I appreciate y'all. I'm
gonna say this again, though I did not do that
for Max Kellerman, not exclusively, maybe not even priority. I've
not talked to Max since I did this. I'm not
doing this for like Max. You like it, you like
it was that cool. I'm doing it because this industry
funked up, and they over here killing cats for no reason.

(01:04:53):
And since one dude got the loudest megaphone, it doesn't
give him license and right to shoot at KD, to
shoot at LeVar Ball, Wanzo Ball, Kwame Bryant, whatever. It
don't give nobody, no license to have that many damn
bodies just because you don't like them. Cash need to
talk like they talk for real in the locker room.

(01:05:13):
I don't give damn who you are, so what fool
like if somebody challenges me in the locker room, I
don't care how many pro bols. I don't care what
hall of fame you in. Ain't about to go to
what what? What? I need athletes to start saying what.
I'm letting these dudes just say anything about y'all and
everything you they're gonna just keeping man, look back back

(01:05:37):
at all of them, snacks back, all right, that's all right, child.
You know how we finish every show, were finishing with
a wilyism. Yeah, don't be pushed by your problems, be
led by your dreams. Oh yeah, that's beautiful because I
get caught slipping sometimes like I got this going on,

(01:05:58):
got this going on? Oh it's time to kicking overdrive.
When it's like when nothing's going on or I can't
think of my issues, I need to be an overdrive,
Like what am I doing? I got goals out here,
got goals. I got goals, y'all know. And one of
my goals is to have the biggest foundation in the

(01:06:20):
world because I can have the greatest impact now on
the quest for that. It ain't my problems that's pushing me,
cause frankly, I don't have as many problems as I've
had in the past. Things could pop up tomorrow, things

(01:06:42):
can pop up today. But my problems are not pushing me.
My dream of having the biggest foundation is pushing me now.
And I'm thankful because my problems pushed me to go
to the NFL. My problems pushed me to go to Columbia.
I ain't gonna lie to y'all. So I was like, dog,
I'm broke, we broke. What hurt me more than I

(01:07:02):
was broke, is we broke. And I don't see a
monetiable gift in our family but my football skills, and
that's it. Like I looked around my whole family and
I was just like, like, we got a lot of jobs,
a lot of people working, a lot of people trying,

(01:07:22):
a lot of people trying to get it, and all
that's gonna add up to us staying right here, you know, treadmill,
tread and water. And I was like, I got something special,
and I ain't say I was special, I said, I
possessed something special, got to show the world. So that,

(01:07:44):
But that was my problems pushing me. Now I'm led
by my dreams partly while I'm here right, I could
be still at them jobs. I could still be doing that.
I got the emails, I got the convos, I got
the text, I still got the relationships. Nah Son, you

(01:08:05):
think I could be up there with Icho talking about
go to project transition dot. I be like, man, Yo,
sit you ahead here here here writeing check right there?
Relations shut up? Can we do this? Talk about the Jets,
jests and patriots? Who you got Wyley? I'm like, man,
look see what I'm saying. So, don't be pushed by

(01:08:26):
your problems, be led by your dreams. All you guys
out there who are in a good place, what's in
front of you that you really want? And all you
guys out there that got stuff going on, Yeah, get
away from that, but also know what's in front of you.
We all need to be in this same mindset. Don't
be pushed by your problems, be led by your dreams.

(01:08:47):
All right, y'all, got'll do it. For more to it,
check the show notes for all the information on our
topics today today. Want to keep the conversation going. Let's talk.
Find me on all socials at Marcel's. Wiley More Too
is a production of Damn Patrick Production that Dude Entertainment
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(01:09:11):
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