Ep 183: Whitlock Wrong & Right! Ocho Cinco kept it nasty! NFL Emergency !!! Deion, accept the compliment!

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Y'all know I restart off every show. What's up with that?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, let me just tell you. Friday after the show,
went golfing. That always makes me feel like I got
five more dollars than I do.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Every time I see somebody on the golf course, I'm like,
they doing alright in life, even though don't know nothing golf,
especially during the week, during the weekday, during work hours,
of you golfing, I'm thinking of you living well.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I wasn't living too well on that course.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I didn't have as good a performance as I did
a few days earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Went out there with Justin Charles and Merrill.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Meryll played she played college golf, so she was killing
us and she pace she just go up to the t.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
One little practice, see work. Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I was straight too fitty. I was like, hell, she's
doing all right. But she had that muscles a muscle
memory from college. Love to those guys. Justin's my guy,
investment banker, homeboy, former pro baseball player, shot out to
him and Charles, who's an amazing guy out there doing
real estate. More importantly, raising some minty biddies that are

(02:25):
balling out of control. Look forward to seeing what they do.
Little man just took a recruiting trip to Utah. That's dope,
you know, he balling out of control. Anyway, after that,
I had a crazy back and forth. Thank god I
got an electric car because I would have ran out
of gas. Seriously, I had to go from if y'all
know La, I had to go from Tarzana to West

(02:47):
Hollywood to Newbury Park Thousand Oaks where Kobe's Academy Sports
Academy is, all the way to Compton, all in one night. Yeah,
it was crazy, right, but we had a basketball game
out there to sports the Kadai Me.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Let me tell you all what happened at the basketball game.
We won again. We're undefeated right now.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Shout out to our coach Jesse Buss, respect my dog
out there coaching these boys up.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's funny during games he doesn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
He got all these stats and he got all this
deep analysis. And analytics for little eight year olds. For real,
this is how you coach. You'd be like this, and
then you know, during the timeouts and doing the breaks,
he come here.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
He break them down real quick. Give him some words
of wisdom, tell him what to do and go.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Meanwhile, I'm out there coaching like I'm a pe teacher
or like a football coach.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
All right, hey, run all right, turn your shoulder.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm like coaching like that Nott coach. Right, But I
stay in it. I keep these kids a gage. I
tell them all the good stuff and all the bad stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I'm not that what dog. It's okay, you ain't perfect.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'm gonna tell you what you're doing great, tell you
what you suck at right in that moment.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Here's the thing. Some parents don't want to hear that. Well,
I'm sorry, ma'am, sorry sir. I'm not here for you.
I'm here for your kids development. And if you don't
like it, that team over there is right there. We
ain't gotta fight over it. I will always talk through it.
But if you come at me sideways, let's just say,
I'm gonna protect the eddy biddy.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But let you know I got this all right. Anyway
it happened.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I always tell everyone if anyone in the crowd ever
tries to talk trash about me or try to poison
the well, never respond to him, just say he's right there,
because then I got you.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, one of them parents must have took that advice
and came to me directly.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And I saw it, and she was hot, and I
was like, yes, she was hot in front of the kids.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Don't play with me like that, lady.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So I was like, ma'am, First of all, let's change
the tone and energy of your body language and what
you're saying. And two, the kids are here, including yours. Three,
whatever you gotta say, can wait. I'm here for the
itty biddies. We always got to have a postgame conference
where we talk about what happened. So we did that,
gave out snacks. All of a sudden, she's still out
one ondred cruxy. The issue is she used to coach

(05:05):
her son in the summer, and before, hey, go ahead,
you could have stilled you can still be coaching. We'll
whoop y'all up too. Anyway, her son's on my team. Now,
let's just say on my team. Jesse's son and my
son are the best two players, right, Okay, whatever, your
son is developing, and I'm sure he did a lot

(05:27):
more for you because you gave him a lot more opportunities.
But you know how it goes when you get on
a new team, get in where you fit in. He
doesn't fit in there just yet. She just basically want
him to be a point guard ball handler. I'm like,
he can't be the ball handler. He's not our best
ball handler. He's not our second best ball handler, not
a third, probably not our four. And I'm like, ma'am,

(05:50):
I don't understand. You are acting way too entitled.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
And I'm saying all this to her, and she is
not respecting what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I say, look, she said, you told him not to
dribble up the court. I said, well, was that after
they stole the ball from him?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
But before? I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Like, I don't care if anybody likes me. I'm here
for any biddy's development. So if you gonna get in
the way of that, y'all gonna suffer, not me. But
if you want to support us and let us coach,
or why you pair do I come to the house
and tell you to clean up, well, then stop coming
to the court.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Tell me not let this dude ball handle every team.
Everyone has a role, everybody. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I never got the ball one time in the NFL.
Had an amazing tenuere NFL career. You don't always get
the ball. Dog, It's okay, man. So hopefully she's at
practice today, and if not, I feel bad for the
iteddy biddy. After that, I went to my birthday party.
Blah blah blah. All right, so what else I do? Saturday?
We had the kids went over to the Westbrooks house.

(06:50):
Our family shout out to Russell westbrookcause he's a Clipper.
Now when he was a Laker, I ain't give him
the love now, yeah, a Clipper, shout out to him.
He wasn't there, so I ain't go over to the house.
And they went over there and came back. I tell
y'all something funny though. My kids came back from the
house this time, and guess what my daughter says. She said, Daddy,
our friend the daughter's name, her house is better than ours.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I was like, damn, why you gotta do that?
I know all, but you make it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
She didn't mean it like that, though I thought she
did it hurt already. She was like, no, no, She's
like they got bunk beds. I was like, you could
have had a bump bed, but she didn't want to
bum bed. You want your own room, in your own bed.
I was like, man, but at first she had me shook.
I was like, damn, she know how rich he is?
So funny. Other than that, we had soccer for the girls.
Four year old is all in, she's killing it. My

(07:34):
three year old is all out. She hates it, and
we just go see what she does now. She doesn't
hate it, she just she ain't into it just yet.
Other than that, we had our game yesterday. We had
our game, and we had our football game. MJ balled out.
We beat a really good team that we're going to
obviously see in the playoffs, the Bills, and MJ scored

(07:58):
the first play of the game and six on the
last play of the game. MJ went out there and
did this thing. He went against this dude, this little kid.
They call him Cooper Cup. I call him little Oldest.
I call him little OLG, little og hair all down long.
You know you got the George Kittle.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Look, he just a beast.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
First time we ever played, first game ever we played him.
This is what a year or two ago they beat
us fifty five to seven, that kid in his team.
This year, we beat that kid in his team eighteen
to ten, eighteen and eight.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's you say, eighteen eight.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
What I told my kids is, y'all don't understand how
much y'all are growing and developing, because that kid is
insane and those kids around him are damn good and
older than y'all, and y'all just beat them. Doesn't mean
we gonna beat him again, but just feel good about
the fact that y'all used to play against him, but
a year or two ago and they waxed us.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And now look at us. So excited for that.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I'm gonna have Courtney show y'all the videos because
everybody always show him on social but like Instagram stuff,
y'all be like, so I talking about MJ and.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
We don't see it.

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So YouTube never shut up, brings TV, reach TV. Y'all
get the clips as well. Courtney gonna show y'all them clips.
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(11:03):
you guys. All right, y'all, let's get into the first
topic long enough.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Why they got that? All right, let's do it all right.
We got chad Ocho.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Sinkle and him and my man Shannon Sharp were talking
on their podcast and it immediately turned to the real Now.
I had to bring this up because I've had this
conversation many times with many of friends, and it was
just hilarious to see it actually done in media. Well,
they were talking about their lifestyle, they were talking about

(11:31):
fake jury, they talking about McDonald's. If you're talking to Chad,
you're talking about McDonald's, his first date, to see.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
His future wife, etc. Etc.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Then you start talking about his girlfriend, his future wife,
Sharrell Rosada, And he said that on that date he
started to realize how real she was and how real
it was going to be. He said he knew he
loved her after the first date. And now they're planning
their destination wedding in the Bahamas. I hope to get
an invite just because I love the Bahamas.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Nah. Also, let me just sidebar.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
First time I ever met Chad Johnson, he was actually
in college.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I was in the pros.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
He was working out at Dorsey High School and I
remember working out with pro receivers and looking in the
infield like, who the hell is this dark skinned dude
out there? He had an all black no shirt, all
black tights, looked like black cleaks.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Couldn't see him stop. But I was just like, damn
he out there, like for real, as a talent of value.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I was like, what the hell is that? And if
he was he was so sick, I was like he
got to be in the pros. But I don't know
who he is, so he ain't in the pros, right.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You know, all the good receivers. I'm like, dang.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And then all my boys we were working out with,
all pro cats, you know, Ferraris and stuff. All this
all in the parking lot Ego, and nobody wanted to
talk to the young dude in the middle. I remembered it.
I was like, we kept running around. I was like,
that ain't my position. So I wasn't tripping. I was
just like, em, he looks sick. Finally I just broke
the ice. I went over to him. I said, excuse,
I said, what's your name? He said Chad? And he

(13:02):
said how you doing this? I was like, all right,
respect man. I said, well you go to school. He
was like Oregon State and I was, okay, go get it.
I was like, damn it. And I went back to them.
I said, oh, he gonna take somebody else. He take
one of y'all jobs. He ain't taking my job. He
take one of y'all jobs. God that turned out to
be Chad Joshon. I had no idea. Man, that's dope. Anyway,
let's get back on this topic.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Right here.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Uh, they start talking real stuff about it, and on
the night cap with uncin oh Choe uh, he revealed
that he knew Rosada was the one for him when
she started fararting.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
She started farting in front of him. He said, I
was in love.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I knew she was the one when she started farted
in front of me. We got sound of this. We're
gonna play the sound as well. And let y'all hear
what they talking about.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Listen, let me tell you what my grandma told me. Now, baby,
the minute she can use the bathroom and leave the
door open, that's the one.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
She can't do that.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah here, I knew she was the one when she
fought in the front. Oh no, yo, oh yeah, oh yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I broke up with a girl for doing that. Man,
stop playing. You left for Grup for that. I swear
for gard and two white men I did. Oh boy,
you you a tough crowd. Boy.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, the bathroom right there? Five step? You mean to
tell me you you you got No? No, I don't
do that on you. I can't.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
She gotta get up, and she got to get up
and go out the room. That's disrespect, man, Stop playing
you tripping, you tripping?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Maybe let that ship out and I listen. I graded,
I graded too when she let one out. Okay, that
was by the folk, right, Yeah, that's a by the folk.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
That was a good one.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Wait, so she got to when she used the bathroom,
she got to close the door too.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
She she goes to a different area of the house.
Don't nobody go to the don't nobody go to the bathroom.
If if, if we're both home, nobody goes to the
bathroom and the master bathroom.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Nobody.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh, man, come on you tripping man, you got too.
I was I would I would literally I would drive
back the fox, or I would go to the guest house,
or I would send it to the I was like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
What, I need something from Whole Foods. I need something Target. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
She's like, okay, I go get it. And that was
my opportunity to use the bathroom. Yeah, we got we
gotta get your therapy. Baby, got therapy. You can't you
can't do that. You can you can't, you can you
can't live like that, baby. I love you, I love
you to death.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
We got to sit down and we got to talk
about that. Women gotta lead.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Woman got to go to a separate part of the
house just to use the bathroom number two.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, nah, man, you tripped. Listen, do you understand.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Close the door? I can't close the door. If you
if you're going, if you're going pee, closed the door.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I don't want to hear. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Me and my baby, we have we have our own
personal red table talks. I'm not gonna I'm not talking
about the ones like Jada. The best talks. We have
the best compensation. I ain't even trying to be funny,
and I can, I can. I'm comfortable with mine.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
If you got to use the bathroom, man, leave it
though open, because that's.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
The perfect time. Oh no, no, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Gonna be in there with you, but that's the perfect
time to create a conversation and have a little dialogue
on important stuff.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
Man.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
You I don't don't listen. I don't do no talking.
I don't do no talking. Well, I'm in there. I
ain't in there to talk. Oh man, you know, hey,
you ain't hey, you know hey? Look you know at
the team Facilita, they got the stalls next to each other,
and I got, bro what I ain't talking.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Don't talk to me.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
You can't live like that, man, Like, no, listen, like
I'm I'm about to cray for you.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, you can't do that. Man, Oh Joe, I go,
but you can't live like I go. I go.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I know, no, No, I don't go to the bad
I go even I'll talking about it. Two o'clock, three
o'clock in the morning. Yeah, for some reason, my stomach,
I'm gonna go downstairs.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
That ain't healthy, baby, Like, I'm like, as a as
a friend of many years, as a friend of yours,
that ain't healthy.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
And I don't walk with the table, you know what.
I don't walk around naked in front of women.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What a all right?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
So Shannon on the other side, mister single, he's sounded
so single when there's somebody oh would do that I
would do. I was like, yep, that's why y'all as single.
And I'm gonna get to y'all and let y'all know
what I'm talking about, all right. So he expresses discomfortable
hearing all about farting and taking dumps and all that
stuff in front of each other. He said, I broke

(17:29):
up with a girl for doing that, all right, And
then Chad said, we gotta get you therapy. You can't
do that unk, And now it was them back and forth.
Y'all heard the sound. Let me tell y'all what's up
with this and salute to them. If I get that
invitation to the Bahamas, I will be there.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I love the Bahamas.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
They've been together since twenty twenty and they got a
one year old named Serenity.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
This struck home with me because my wife and I
always laugh at this.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
This is how I won my wife over.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
So Chad was talkingbo how she won him over because
she did it, and we was like, wow, she real.
I'm gonna tell you how I want my wife over
in this respect. So I'm thirty eight, thirty nine years old,
still got the nickname that dude for a reason, wild
style for a reason. I was in them streets with
a K doing it hard. I'm from LA. It was
too easy one because I'm from LA and have five

(18:22):
dollars played in the league.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I know everybody from like third grade up. I know
all of LA.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I can't go nowhere without knowing somebody ain't got nothing
to do with thing.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It got to do it. I'm from here. Food and
people know me that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh it was silly, and all the finest girls in
the world all fly to La to try to be
finer and get some fame from it and some fortune
from it.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh, I knew everybody. It was love two.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I knew all the clubs and all the owners of
the clubs because they went to school with me. Are
they some local cats or I'm the dude that's doing
all the parties in DJing crazy?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Right? I only tell you this because.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
My train was going fast down the tracks and it
wasn't going to a wedding, and it wasn't going to
an altar. And then I met my wife, and this
is what happened. I always was so real and wrong
with people. Y'all know me, so even girls I dated.
That was part of the reason why I was still single.
Cause I tell a girl everything. She'd be like, that's

(19:17):
too much. I was like, well, welcome to a real person. Sorry,
go back over there and meet them representatives that you
keep meeting and then they keep dumping you in six months.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
It's while we're here together right now.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Anyway, I kept telling the real and then I met
my wife, and I answered every question painfully with honesty
and she wasn't used to that. Now she's a small
town girl who tried to put on her big, her
big girl suit. You know, she come to La from
abbage Fruit, some farm town that smell like booboo for real,
I mean it really does. It's a farm town. Like,

(19:50):
she come to La with this new armor. I got
to look the part, act the part, be the part
representative number one and I was like, girl, I ain't
like that. And she felt energized. She felt empowered just
because I was being real. Examples being like our second
third night. She was like, what's that bottle? And I

(20:11):
was like, what my pea bottle?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
And she was like, I was like, what you think
I'm about to pull over every time I gotta pee.
You think I'm getting up out the bed every time
I got a pee? Like, that's a pea bottle. What's
her problem? Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Went to the bathroom, door open, went to the bathroom,
close your ears, clog up your nose, like I was
living right in front of her immediately, and I swear
it undressed her to stop pretending. Stop sending that rep
out there right And I told her people.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
That she may know that I know that we know
each other, and she may.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Run into it and protect her from the unexpected, protect
her from that flex. You know how girls re acting
when they know him tomorrowady, somebody already know I alrea't
messed around with, and they walk back.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I guess well. My wife was like, yeah, I know, girl,
stop say all y'all cool, steal it.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I was like, eh, baby, you're getting it, that farmtown
girl back, put your overalls back on, let's go right.
And she just felt empowered to be her true self
by showing who she really was.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And this story reminds me just of that.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
So in y'all relationships and y'all situations, I wonder how
real are y'all being? Because this was a good conversation,
How really y'all really being? Because I know I dated,
I dated dated, I love the date first date, just
go out oh listening. I was like, girl, if you
don't stop lying, and I was like, man, stop. I
used to lose because one it wasn't the right ones,

(21:41):
but two I would just come into hot I tell
them exactly how I felt.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I like you you are fresh, or I'd be.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Like, ah, we we might need we might not see
each other anymore. Because this ain't it. This ain't it,
But you know, finish a meal. We're still gonna be
cool and I'm kicking it. But nah, why don't we
just settle down?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Won't we focus? Focused?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I was like, what you mean focused? Focus on my game?
I'm focused on my life. You ain't part of it.
So I want to know what you guys do in
terms of your boundaries, in terms of the nastiness too,
because that's part of being real.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
You know, when do y'all unveil that? When do y'all
unrolled at?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
When do y'all let everybody know why this is who
I really am? And where do you stand on the matter?
Like this conversation, You're like, dog? Why they talking about that?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Are you like? No? That was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I thought it was hilarious when they did it, especially
when Shannon City breaks up with people and he broke
up with a girl before for doing that, Shannon, let
me tell you one thing, Them dogs ain't gonna get it. Like,
I know, you got a kid, so that's good, you
know the ultimate, But it's you a companion man. Stop
being married to TV and TV and dogs. I laugh
when I see Adult Summer, Oh my god, it all

(22:50):
happen is a dog.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I'm like, oh man, you need some more lover in
your life.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
These indy bitties is whereas at I feel like we're
in a colder sack or something because it's only.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
One way in.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I never y'all never go see me roll from that direction.
Let me just tell y'all that right now. Oh man,
Oh y'all know what it is. It's a song time
right now. Let me hit y'all with this.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Oh na, no, no, no, nah nah?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
What was that breaking? When Breaking came out?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I swear that was a cultural mark that changed how
life was for me and I'm sure many others, because
that was the time where like breakdancing and all that
stuff was just like it felt so fattish, and then
all of a sudden you saw a major movie dedicated
to it, like oh they taking it for real? It

(23:51):
felt so good, Like I mean, it wasn't the deepest
and greatest of movies, and frankly it wasn't even the
best breakdancing.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Matter of fact, they were like locking in their way
more and I was like, come on, man, could do better?
Take you off slosson right now? I know some castles
from cardboard getting it.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
But it was just amazing to see major motion picture
and it was about breakdown.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I'm about to burn, all right, y'all.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Go to Project transition dot org log one, become a
freshman email, sophomore donation, junior recurring donation, get the book, uppclassmen,
or a senior. Leave a comma dog, just do a
comma donate a comma in the comma said yes, let's
get into this topic right here. And it was scary
because the Bills running back Damien Harris got taken off

(24:33):
the field and an ambulance after scary neck injury. All right,
So during the game between them and the Giants, if
you guys watched it, he got hurt, serious injury that
required the medical attention. Let me talk you through the
beach some of it. So the ambulance is brought into
the field. Never a good scene, never a good feeling
when you see that, And that was obviously reminiscent Buffalo

(24:56):
Bill's ambulance. Damar Hamlin comes to mind, all right. So
he was injured on the run play before halftime, but
he gave the thumbs up and we all got to
see him when he was placed on the backboard into
the ambulance and then cart it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Off and wheeled out.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
So everyone was showing concern and around you know, the
big huddle, the prayers, etc.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Etc.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Now, why I want to talk about this story is
because one the haunting of that Damar Hambling injury and
cardiac arrest that he's recovered from to play once again. Now,
that just reminds me of the moments I was reminded
of my athletic mortality. And it's weird, like playing sports,

(25:45):
they're not all the same sport and they're not all
the same sport in terms of where you go to
to activate your body to participate. I remember the first
time I did pregame with a basketball player and I
was like, damn, I chose the wrong sport. But I

(26:05):
always tell y'all, no one chooses football. Football chooses you.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I'm looking at him, I'm like, he didn't have to
go to that special place. He didn't go like to
some different world and universe to get activated to go
out there and play his sport. He actually seemed like
the same dude who's just like, yeah, I got a
game tonight. I was like, yeah, but when I have

(26:32):
a game, I'm not the same, dude, I'm a whole
different animal when I gotta go play football.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And you football players know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
But you got an athletic mortality, and you don't acknowledge that.
You acknowledge that you're invincible. Nobody could touch me, nobody
could see me. That's where that special place takes me.
I'm so distant from reality and I'm so locked in
to get ready to play football. And y'all know what

(27:01):
that looks like. Like we literally go under a spell
to play football. There's a psychosis that occurs to play football.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I know it. You want to know how I know
it because I don't play football no more. And I
was like, damn, I used to go there. WHOA.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I'm gonna try my best to explain it to you guys,
but trust me, is different.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So let's start with Like, let's just say the night
before the game, you go into the hotel whatever it
may be.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You're sleeping that night.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
You know you're on your fresh swst suit, not too
fresh because you might wear your freshest to the game,
but you're looking cool. You're around everybody, You chrispy just
walking around. Ah, what's up, boy? And nicely meetings and
stuff chilling, and in that place it's the call before
the storm, and everybody in that moment, everybody's full of confidence.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Everybody's feeling great.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Everybody you know you're gonna feel as good as you
can because tomorrow you got some pain to and flip right,
so you're good. Nervous that night whatever that is, anxious,
Uh hard to sleep, to sleep like a baby and
be in. Let me pop a pill or two and
go to sleep. Whatever it is you get through the night.
Everyone has a different way. For me, it was most

(28:11):
of the time I don't need a ton of sleep,
so that could have been a cocktail mixed with I
am anxious or nervous, but usually I just can't sleep anyway.
Like last night, I went to bed at one o'clock.
I woke up at five o'clock with no alarm, So
I'm that guy. But at the same time, you wake
up and then you just sit there in that bed.

(28:33):
I remember gang days, sitting in the bed forever because.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I ain't want to get up, not because I ain't
want to play it, because it's like when I get up,
it's time to get up, you know what I mean?
Like when this body get out this bed. Didn't mine
gonna go somewhere? Why go go somewhere? The special whoa?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
So I was like, all right, you gotta put it on,
like you about to put your armor on.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right, there are aways. It weighs something, so it's all right.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Then you get it up and the first thing you're
met with is this different enthusiasm that everybody's geeked up.
Everybody's but the players are chilling. Everybody else is geeked up.
It's game day energy, right, so everybody you see, good luck.
Oh let's go get them to day.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Oh yeah, Like the equipment managers, the person.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Feeding you at the hotel, like everybody's like like, you know,
like all these tailgaters came loose and they all around
you and they just excited and geeked up, and you're
like all right.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And they're bringing you up. And then you get your
you know, your pregame meal, you get all that you're eating.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Everybody got small talk, everybody watching something on TV, whether
it's pregame or some other game maybe on and he's
just getting there, getting taped up, all getting the mind right,
getting your gear right. And then this is when it starts.
You put them headphones on. You put them headphones on,

(29:59):
you got them song, I was ready where And then
all of a sudden you stop. All of a sudden,
you go from LA to New York. What that means
to me? In LA, everybody walks around like this, Hey,
how you doing? Hey, what's up?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Man? You good? What up? Boy? That's La. Here's New York,
acting like they don't see you.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Then all of a sudden, everybody got their headphones on
the locker room. Nobody see each other, but got that
New York state of mind right right, And then it's time.
All right, you got your smelling salts and putting them
in before the game. You ain't got knocked out?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
A cay? You ready? And then you go out. Oh,
ain't nothing hyper because everybody start bouncing, and it's hilarious because.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Everybody think they gonna ball out that day. Every single player,
all eighteen hundred of those guys bouncing around who just
took their headphones off, think they about the rock off today.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
They about to get it. Whoa. Then you walk out
that tuddle. Oh snap, you hear them cleat that drum
line of cleats going get out to that stape.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like, and you feel like, yeah, and everybody in pregame
is undefeated. Everybody in pregame got one hundred yards, one
hundred receiving yards, three hundred passing yards, five sacks. Everybody
they playing the music boom oh, and they kicked that

(31:25):
ball off and all that shit changed. Somebody gonna get defeated.
It's time to run down on kick off seventy seven. Yeah, quiet,
that ain't even what I'm talking about. That's just to
get you into the game. This situation is what gets
you out the game. You cracking, you cracking heads. You're

(31:48):
getting caught here in there. Oh oh, you're geting through it.
And then all of a sudden, you could just feel it,
the disruption of the flow. Somebody laying down and ain't
getting up, and you're looking, now, you good, first thing
you are see it. You can even hear it. It's automatic.

(32:09):
You good dog. Now you're not asking him, You tell
you good dog, you good. And then he give you
that signal, whatever it may be. Maybe it's no signal,
which is the worst. He ain't moving, or he give
you that signal I ain't good, and immediately you go
to rescue him. In terms of like how he's feeling
and how he's good, and everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Come on, come on, come on, check him out. But
then what people don't talk enough about is what you're thinking.
You just woke up.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You just literally woke up and realized what the hell
was I just doing. It Literally feels like almost if
somebody grabs you and says, what are you doing, You're like,
what we you mean?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
You were running back and forth across the freeway, and
then you're like I was, It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You just don't even understand and recall, like how much
danger you put yourself in in the name of fun,
in the name of football, cause it's funny. I'm thinking
through this right down for my son as he plays football.
Now it's flag. So I got a lot of grace
period and runway before we had that real conversation about

(33:26):
pow pow, and I'm like, dog, you gonna get hurt.
You were watching football this morning, We're watching Good Morning Football.
He's like, oh daddy, he was reading off the injury reporting.
I was like, yeah, okay, I said, football hurts every
single day, every single way. But to invite that into
your life more importantly, to get seduced by that and

(33:48):
then under the spell you actually forget about that, and
then you get reminded in moments like this with Damien Harris,
Tomorrow Hamlin, etc. Right, And the craziest thing about it,
which may be some PTSD for some folks, maybe all
of us, and I'm just not acknowledging it.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Let's go, move the ball up to you. Let's go,
and you.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Right back in it running across that freeway. Ain't it crazy?
Football is amazing. I wouldn't trade a thing about my
career other than staying healthy.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
If I could have done anything, Hey, can I stay
healthy the whole time?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And let you see how great I can be other
than that? Man, it was so amazing. But what's crazy
about it is you know the amount of danger and
harm you're putting yourself into, and.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
You raise your hand even higher.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just to be a part of it. Football is amazing.
It's why it's the king of all sports in this country.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So what did y'all feel about when you saw that? Like?
How does it grab you? Guys when you see it?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Are you just like, hey, it's part of the business,
part of the game, or does it really grab at
you right?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Pull at your heartstrings?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Every time I see somebody get hurt, I'm like, damn,
and not just feeling for them because most of the
time I think they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Be all right.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's just like how they return back to that same battle.
They go right back to that fighting, right. It's real
out there. Oh, I got cars slivering. It's your boy,
Marcell's wiley. I wasn't out of frame yet, but who cares?
And no bubba buba bu y'all remember that whoa yay?

(35:32):
That might be that little park with all the noise,
you could put that anywhere.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh who did that?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I saw that? I think that was I think it
was dj a M. Rest in peace. If y'all know
who dj A M, please google him YouTube and get this.
He he used to He used to blend so silly.
He was my favorite DJ.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
No.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I got a chance to meet him and hang out
with him, talk to him, stay in touch with him
before he passed away. And this is before the fame, dude,
this is just me DJing and local clubs and then
he DJ and I just met him. I was like, yo,
you insane, bro, like insane. He he the first one
I heard do like like mashups with like Michael Jackson

(36:22):
and like some rap songs and it was just like, yeah,
what is going on here? So respect to him, but
that song he used to blend it sometimes in there,
I'll be like, oh that's insane. All right, y'all, y'all
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Please continue to do them because we are having impact
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Speaker 2 (36:56):
Bunch of kids there, amazing, amazing, inn.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
All trying to be the best they can be, truly
on a great path. Love to them and what they're
doing over there, and shout out to you to real
Johnson and all what y'all doing over there, because you
guys fan me talking to the kids this weekend. You
know us, we're bringing them into our educational empowerment series,
hooked them up with some books and made sure that

(37:20):
they're going to be part of our community as well.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
So love and salute to them.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
All Right, let's talk about Jason Whitlock my dog, Yes,
and I titled this Whitlock was wrong because the last
time I did a clip on it, I was talking
about the things he was right about. So let's talk
about that. And he has a few more things he
was right about as well. But like anything, nothing's perfect,
including me, including what I say. Full disclosure. I talked

(37:48):
to Whitlock this weekend. Right he hit me up. I said,
what subject?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Dog? I know your response.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I know some of y'all, many of y'all don't count
how many of y'all don't like Jason Whitlock. But I'm
not that type of friend. And let me just say this.
If you are friends with someone you don't disagree with
at times many times, then you ain't friends with anyone.
Probably you gotta have real relationships. I have a real

(38:16):
relationship with Jason Willlock. I don't agree with everything he says.
I know what y'all don't like about him. I have
those theme issues or some of them or many of them,
doesn't matter. Still a good dude to me. You guys
don't know him for real. We'll talk through that later,
but right now, we just broke bread and talked a
little bit about what's going on in this world.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Okay, and one thing I do respect about him is
he is him.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
He gonna break it down to the last compound.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I worked with him for two years.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
With him with two years and no matter where he
was coming from, you better come with yours. I ain't
gonna You may think I don't agree with that, I
hate that, but boy is he gonna back that up.
I was like, DAYNL, this dude thorough for real man,
and he's a great listener. Gotta give him more flowers
than y'all do. But y'all do, y'all all right anyway,

(39:08):
So whatlock he had on his Fearless podcast. I think
it was maybe Thursday he had to respond to Stephen A.
Smith called him fat bastard, which'll you know, come on now,
it got a lot of attention. But that's just to
the point of what I'm saying about sports media and etc.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Like I'm not even gonna go.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Lazy and say he's fat shaming them because I don't
believe in body shaming stuff like if you fat, you're fat,
you're skinny, you're skinny, Like I ain't changing my words,
like you skinny, I don't know, don'tcoma skinny? Okay, you
hell a little and skinny where you want. I'm not
that person, but you know I don't like that. We
gotta do those type of attacks and and word choices

(39:50):
to just get somebody's point, you know, to jab at
somebody like come on, man, like, then we.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Gonna if y'all want to play that game. I know
I'm gonna win because I got jokes, but.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
But seriously, fat bastard to really get a point across.
It's kind of like what my point is about? All
this game is going anyway? Didn't care about that that
word choice right there. Jason Widlock went on a few minutes.

(40:20):
I'm gonna take a clip from his show, a few
minutes talking about the entire situation from.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
His perspective on Max and Steven Ay.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Now, before he got to that point, I got to
clarify one thing that's out there because Stephen A. Smith
made this mistake and Jason Widlock made this mistake. Max
and I are not best friends.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Stop that. I am not taking up for Max. We
ain't that cool.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
That's my dog though, love him to death, but even
if he was my best friend, I don't do that.
Like I'm dog. You can fight for yourself. This wasn't
about that. I keep telling y' all that, and Widlock
made the mistake of saying that we were friends since college.
We weren't friend in college. We went to the same college,
but we weren't friends in college. I ain't know Max.
In college, I heard of a dude doing boxing that

(41:10):
went to Columbia that was through our radio station in
public Access WKCR and Barbido, and.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I forget that. What was that stretch of Barbido?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yes, I heard about all that, but I didn't know Max.
I didn't know stretch of Barbido. And they used to
do that big, old famous radio show right there on campus.
That's my point. So just to clarify, we weren't friends
in college. Max and I used to always joke. I
used to clown him. I was like, you went to
Columbia before me and graduated after me with your super
senior ass.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I used to get him. I was super senior, old
oh ice cuban higher learning. Looking at him for real,
I'm like, how you gonna be a genius and take
nineteen years to graduate? Even for real?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
He got that way before me, took way after me.
That's my dog though, So just like I keep it
real on all levels. I didn't know Max in college.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
The first time I ever met maxis doing his radio show.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
He was in New York. I'm an active player. And
then I remember we doing the show. He's like, yeah,
I went to Columbia with you. Everybody knew who you were.
It was like I was there and I was like ah.
And then we start talking about who he knew and
who he hung around with. I was like, that's why
we didn't know each other in school. Let's just say
Max hunk with my homies that I was keeping a
little distance from because I already had been through that

(42:28):
growing up. If you know what I'm saying. They were
on that side of the street, in them streets. I
was over here trying to nerd up, trying to go
to the league. That's how that went in college. Didn't
know Max all right. Now, I want to play the
sound from Jason Woodlock and just point out a few
things learn or unlearn, what was wrong, what.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Was right about what he said?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
So let's play Jason Woodlock talking about Max and stephen A.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
So here's what happened legitimately between Max Kellerman and stephen A.
Smith and I got into this a little bit last week.
I believe when we talked about this, but I want
to explain it even in more detail, and because this

(43:13):
is where I disagree with Marcellus Wiley what Max Kellerman
did and what was doing to stephen A. Smith throughout
their time together. On first take, Max Kellerman was trying
to damage stephen A. Smith's reputation with the black audience.

(43:36):
Marcellus talks about we didn't show you the clip where
he went into detail about how Max grew up knows
more about rap music. Max has the right position on
Colin Kaepernick.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Marcella's basically insinuated.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
That he agreed with Max Kellerman's position or take or
the way he was seen as he's blacker than stephen A.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Smith.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
And I explained this to you all last week. Mats Kellerman,
in his right mind, should have defended and not put
stephen A. Smith in that position where stephen A would
have the audience questioning his blackness. Now, the entire conversation

(44:24):
about stephen A's blackness or anybody's blackness is stupid and silly,
but it is what the social media world has created
where there's a single group of people, black people whose
skin color or identity is completely attached to their worldview.

(44:48):
Somehow this dark skin of mine goes away because I
have a Biblical Christian and what they define as a
conservative worldview.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Stephen A. Smith, We've been.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
Watching him try to play this dance. He goes on
Fox News, he pretends to be friends with Sean Hannity
because Steven A.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Smith.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
There is some old school conservatism to Steven A.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Smith, but he.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Knows he can't live that out authentically and survive at
ESPN and survive in corporate media and corporate TV at
this time, they don't allow it. And so in order
to get the bag, Stephen A. Smith has to be

(45:38):
aligned with or on a show with a white host,
or at that time that was his belief, a white
host who would play the role of Skip Bayless.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Skip Bayless was the.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Guy that attacked Lebron, attacked aryll Owens, attacked other black athletes,
and that allowed Stephen A. Smith more latitude to defend
some black athletes, criticize some black athletes, but Skip would
always be the bad guy as it pertained the race.

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He wanted Max Kellerman to play that role as well,
as Marcellus explained, Max Kellerman had no interest in that.
And not only did he have no interest in that,
he sat on air and giggled when Terrell Owen said
that Max is blacker than you. He allowed that narrative

(46:38):
to be built. That could have been for Steven A. Smith,
who defined success by money and how much money he
can earn. That that's his worldview on what success looks like.
What Max was doing could have very well cost Stephen A.
Smith millions of dollars. Could have put Steven A. Smith

(47:00):
in the same trick bag that Skip Bayless is now
in because of Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp did to Skip Bayless.
What Max was trying.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
To do to Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Smith, Oh man, okay, hmm, all right, let's don't know
what he was wrong about. In my eyes, the quote
about Max was trying to damage stephen A. Smith's reputation
in the black community.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
This is gonna sound like semantics, choice words. But Max
wasn't trying.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
To damage Stephen A. Smith reputation in black community. But
he was doing that same thing. But it wasn't with
his effort. It wasn't through him manufacturing something. It was
really Max just being Max, effecting Stephen a reputation in
the black community. Right now, how do you do that?

(48:05):
By being who you are is shining light on who
he is. And it's always that balancing act, that song
and dance in any.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Partnership, right.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Whitlock wasn't trying to damage my reputation in the black community,
but being with Whitlock damaged my reputation in the black community.
I used to say, I know it, and no one
has to defend it, and no one has to be
like surprised by it. I saw it happen for my
own eyes. I said the same exact quotes on ESPN

(48:37):
before I got with Whitlock at Fox, the same quotes,
because you know, you're working here and then then you're
done here in the next week or two, you're over
there working on the same topics or evergreen topic and
I regurgitate what I.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Said over there, clean it up and say it over here.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But you know, over here it landed whole different when
Carrie Champion and LZ Grandison and you are talking and
Colin Kaepernick, it sound different than when Jason Wood logging
Marcelle's while they are talking Colin Kabernick and guess who
was the same on it?

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Me?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So I've seen it, so I'm not even trying to
go there.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And Jason didn't intentionally try to damage my reputation.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
He wasn't trying to do it. It just occurred. So
I think that was wrong on Jason's part.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Maybe it was just a word choice, but it wasn't
what effort to me with Max Kellerman if that's what
he was implying. Another thing is he should have defended
stephen A. Smith's blackness. No, no, no, for what.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
You want to hear a firestorm.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Let Max Kellerman try to defend stephen a blackness. How
we ain't get what defenders like I'm a white guy
that since I like rap, or I used to rap
and I used to hang with a gang of black
people and I still do, or what like, how are
you gonna defend it? First of all, I don't need
to defend any of that stuff for you, because this

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all is really based on a a silly premise of
what blackness is in the first place. And that's why
I disagree with to For and I ain't like too
For even saying that when he said that Max was
blacker than stephen A. I was like, weird, But we
know what he meant, so I couldn't kill him for
it either. However, what should Max do? Your reputation impossible

(50:22):
to quantify. But you know what's happening, Steven a Smith
getting called or sell out, or people calling stephen a Smith.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yard boy, or you know whatever I seen.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Oh he do anything for his bosses, his own words
to or try to make a money, all that, but
still getting slandered. Max comes to the defense of that. No,
and this is where I know Jason was wrong. He
said that Max giggled when Too said Max was blacker
than Too.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Max and giggle. Max was waiting forever to try and
get in in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Too and stephen A were just going over there, sucking
out with all the oxygen in the room, going back back,
and Max was trying to double dutch trying to get
in there, and then finally he was about to get
in there, and then Teo said that he said, hit
him with that emoji, he and giggle. And I think
that was kind of the basis for a lot of
what Whitlock was saying, or at least he thought that

(51:17):
Max giggle, so he thought it was intentional, which leads
to my first point of him trying to damage stephen
A Smith's reputation. I think Withock misread all of that.
Max was not giggling. Max was like, I am the
white guy up here, stuck in an odd place. Who
better just stay out of this one because this ain't
about me. It's between y'all. My name is Paul, all right.

(51:41):
So it's interesting that Max, in this whole situation, was
being authentic and got put in inserted in a place
that detonated, and he became collateral damage. Max got scapegolded,
just like Whitlock got scapegolded in the issue of words

(52:04):
between stephen A and I. Stephen A had a problem
with me. Guess what he does with Locke, You fet bastard.
Steven A got a problem with Tyo.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Guess what he does? Take it out on Max? Now
Max is gone. Max was gone just.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Because Tyo called what everybody was seeing at that time
or saying at that time. So that's what he did,
That's what he does, all right. Very dangerous. What I
witnessed there, very dangerous. And I went through this experience
growing up. My best friend growing up before he got killed,

(52:45):
was a Vietnamese and black kid named Corby Van Drake
Kay Corby, Black Kid loved the ride bikes with me.
Corby had five more dollars than me, but we lived
stirred each other in the same apartment building. But he
had five more dollars because his mom worked at the
bank and his dad.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Had a job as well. Forget what his dad did.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Damn anyway, two incomes in this house. I'm on welfare,
but I live in apartment building there.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
We both loved bikes. I had a huffy.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
He had like a diamond back or a redline one
of them bikes you had a name signature and on that.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
His bike was faster than me, but I had a huffy.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I kept up with him, but he also because he
had five more dollars than me, explored and did other things.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
He liked skateboarding. Black Kid liked skateboarding.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
We went to two different elementary schools, despite living ten feet.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Away from each other.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Because of the zoning of the La County and city,
it literally went through our building right through us.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I went to a more urban school, is that what
you call it?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
More black kids, less affluent, fifty fourth Street Elementary schoo
He went to Windsor Hills Elementary School. The names even
suggest the difference. Fifty fourth Street, Windsor heells. I wanted
to go to Windsor Hills from day one because it
was a nicer school. Couldn't get in because I lived
a few feet away. Ain't that crazy anyway? I remember
Korby coming home, mister bike rider, skateboard lover, and he

(54:21):
loved rock and roll because his dad was in the military.
Came back loving rock and roll. Korby used to get
called white, acting white? Why not because he looked.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
At because he liked rock and roll and skateboarding, which
were deemed white.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Now this is my best friend, so guess what happens
sooner or later. I ain't gonna ever pick up the
skateboarding because I saw him fall off of rock run
here in the rock room. I was like, oh hell no,
my bike would have rolled over that rock. Your skateboarding alone,
I said, no old skateboarding for me. I'm trying to
be an athlete. However, that band had it sound good.
Put that back on. I was like, Miles, Well, Jump

(55:11):
Go Ahead Jump were playing at Panama little kids ten
and eleven. I don't know Panama. I go to school now.
I like all the rap like everybody else too. You
know what I'm saying, I rock saying. I'm just Shine
tact like, yeah, come on, y'all.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
But I also like, Panama, do you know these suckers
at school start trying to say, ah, you acting white,
you were hanging with the white folks. I was like, damn,
where'd that come from?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
And it was a time where all that stuff was real,
maybe still now, but these are certain things that white
people do. These are certain things that black people do.
How simple and lazy is that? How simple and lazy
is that to label Stephen a Smith that way? And
then how simple and lazy it is for Stephen A
Smith to take all of that, internalize it and then
have to regis how black he sounded or not. That's

(56:02):
what made him act out because he was keeping receipts
of what people were saying about him. So then when
Too said it, oh that's enough, that's it, what you mean,
that's it? I just said one thing, what you mean,
that's it? That was the straw that broke the camel's back,
is what he meant. Anyway, I dealt with that myself
as well, So I get it now back to Whitlock
based on that sound Whitlock was right about.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
And Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Smith caught up in this I hate to say it,
this tug award that's going on in mainstream media, and
it's real. In order to get the bag, you got
to hide that conservative side. Oh you going on Fox News?
You cool with Hannity?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Oh interesting? It was taking some damage.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It was damaging his reputation something to just be going
on that show. And I was like, what kind of
silly world we live in where if you don't go
on see oh you a coom.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
And that's where the world was.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
And so what Whitlock was right about is he needed
a skip Bayless. He needed a head nodder on these
social issues like you got it, whatever you say, Steven,
and more im poortantly. When it came to attacking black athletes,
I needed a white guy to do it worse than me.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Because then I could pick and choose.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
This is what Whitlock is right about, pick and choose
which one I could jump on with you.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
We could double team that black athlete, but the other ones, Hey, I.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Chill and you look like the bad guy. And Max
didn't play that role. What Max respects athletes like I do,
like really like really.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I've heard them too many times saying, do you know
how good the guy, the eleven guy on the bench is.
You know how good he is to just be in
the NBA. So he ain't built for that. I wasn't
built for that.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
That's why our show was our show. And he wanted
Max to play that role or I know that for
facts Now, he ain't gonna eason why he won't ever
address my points and I don't want him to anymore
because I already know. I already knew then it's because
these points are real. This ain't this ain't no play playing.
I'm not doing this for clicks views view.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
He and not doing the click views were discussing this
the way we always discuss stuff through the medium. He
ain't gonna ever challenge those things. Good for him, because
I do not want him squirming no more. These things
are real. So Max didn't choose that role that box.
Max was being himself. Now I will say this, Max
did change himself up in this way. He was a

(58:34):
tamer version of himself. He wasn't He wasn't playing at
a high volume based on his capacities. And I told
him that before. I was like dog this ain't all Max,
We're all Max at you know what?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It was that resistance that was there.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Max was trying to get in where you fit in,
and it was nowhere to fit in because they wouldn't
let him get in. Catch that this whole situation could
have been handled differently stephen A.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Smith and Keller.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I would have never jumped in if there would have
just been handled like I don't know Greenberg and Golic.
Greenberg dipped on Golic and it ain't I don't know
what he said, but it ain't been no two year
tour of slamming Golic. He just moved on, said let's
get up and let's go ahead now. Immediately it's like,

(59:22):
how come stephen A. Smith in handling it like Greenberg? Now,
Greenberg took some shots too, because Golic was like, Yo,
what's up? And I've seen some interviews and stuff. But
the point is.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
If you got the power, flex, but then move on
to the next.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Don't stomp them out what you're stomping for two years
for I don't care who it is, I'm coming to
their A, I'm coming to their aid YEP. And I
was just like, damn, that's wow. This could have been
a much cleaner break. See the differences because it's happened
for this ain't the first time somebody say, peace out,
I told you I did it before.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Did y'all know? Did y'all know I did it before?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Come on, y'all interests in So there's a lot of
fascination about this topic. I'll always sprinkle it in when
I find a new level, new life, lesson, something to learn,
to unlearn, somebody's right, somebody's wrong, et cetera, whatever it
may be. But there is a fascination about this topic.
So y'all can admit it. Y'all groupies to this topic?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And this is another reason I just put it in
my show. I'm like, I ain't gonna do no clips
for this. I want to see what y'all go for.
Board analytics support this. Y'all love this, yaw y'all fascinated
about this topic?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And don't say you're not, because if you even respond
say I hate this topic, you should stop talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I watched TV this morning. I saw a lot of
Cowboys topics. Oh tonight they play the Chargers and they
will lose. I'm going to that game. Can't wait? Is
it fascination just stephen A. Smith because he's the king
him and I keep wanting to say McAfee too, because
he's making all that money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
But Stephen A. Smith, right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Is it because he took a two year tour of
trash in Max? Is it just because it's Mac in
his silence? Like, damn, how gangstad are you? The g
in Lasagna is silent, the sucker. He ain't saying a word.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Is it that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Or is it the fact that a lot of people
are taking up from Max and nobody seems to be
taking up with stephen A. I don't know what it is.
Bob would love to learn. Beat it up in the comments.
A lot of y'all always say I only do eighties. Yeah,
I'm gonna start off in the eighties. I'm gonna get
my way up to the nineties and two thousands. But
I got a start back where it started, where it

(01:01:30):
helped develop me, where it helped inspire me. And I
remember this moment, no Lie, I ran track with these guys,
the triplets, they were really triplets, Jeff, Mark and Mike
and Fast. They was on our national record relay team,
two of them. You imagine being the third triplet down
on that relay. You can't say because they're older than

(01:01:51):
you can say because they faster though, So anyway, that
was that was always scratched my head. But sang Yika,
myself and two of the trips, we were just fast
fast anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
I remember they had this huge radio. I thought I
had a big radio.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I had a nice Toshiba about this high, this wide.
Then my sister had the exact same one, same model
number kind of like that level, and hers was a
Magna box and I thought she had one. Hers was
a little louder than mine, but way sensitive and stuff.
Her buttons were all like touch touch sensitive and you

(01:02:26):
touch in and it just suck in. I was like,
I need to beat my buttons up, so right, so
I had this. I went to the trip's house one
time and I remember standing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Sitting on their front porch and they brought up they radio,
and I guess cause it was three of them. They
radio was three times three times bigger than mine. That
sucker was like. I was like what they like? Went
to the swap mean got one of those with the
lights that go sideways to that big I said eight
radio was like this big. I was like god dang.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
And then the first song they ever played on they
radio rap already out and they a little younger than me,
a year or so younger than me, so all right,
played stuff on mine and they was like, you heard
this one, Yeah, you heard this one stuff, and they
put it in and guess what came out?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Soon they hit play you Got the Shell and the
shell shell.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
And it got quiet anyway moll pounds, I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
And then I was like, I was already blown. I
was like, this is a sick beat. That's me. I
got two seconds to tell you if I like the
song or now, and it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
The beat and I was like, oh dope. And then
relax your mind, let your body. I was like, that's
an East Coast rapper, Like that ain't West Coast because
you know you got some chills, zap. That's all our stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And I heard EPMD was born in my head. It
was the best. Oh they hit me the epm D.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Shout out to the Trips not only for the national
record in the relay, but y'all the first ones that
played the EPMD.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
For me, I was like, damn, that joke. Next level.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
All right, y'all, let's get into this last bonus right
Chia fly through this. Deon Sanders was talking about he
don't like them late start times for them games APM. Yeah,
I don't like them either, because on Friday nights and
stuff like that, even if I ain't going out, I
ain't going no club and stuff like that, but maybe
a dinner or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
But if it's a good game on that time, that's
a bad time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
You're making me make a hard choice, like a done
worked all week. I ain't about to stay home and
watch no more football at night that late, But I
guess a lot of us are because the ratings are
showing that football even in that time slot, the ratings
are up. So he questioned the late start time, said
he didn't like it. Colin Coward had to respond to
this criticism, saying, you may dislike late kickoffs, but it's

(01:04:44):
the reality of today's football landscape why cause football dominates
not only our national sports conversation, but the ratings. Like
the best TV shows out there in terms of ratings
are all foot like football games literally just that. And
it's gonna get even crazier because they're gonna have the

(01:05:05):
conference realignments. Team's gonna be even more intriguing and interesting
in terms of the matchups. More importantly, there's gonna be
a twelve team playoff that's coming on the horizon as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And take the compliment like it comes. Man Dion is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Colorado's interesting despite them not winning all their games. Therefore,
because of that interest, they're gonna put them in prime
time slots or even late night Friday stocks and more
of them coming too, because potentially the WWE and Friday
Night SmackDown may leave Fox. They gonna end up, I

(01:05:42):
tell you now, they're gonna end up rebranding something called
Friday Night Football instead of SmackDown. And there's gonna be
all on Fox, and there's gonna be matchups like this.
Colorado gonna be up in there when they get the
Pac twelve going all the way Track twelve gone. But
all those teams going USC UCLA playing Michigan, Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Good Lord, Penn Stak.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Friday Night football on Fox. I f I can see
all them s. Friday Night Football on Fox. It's happening
right now. So what's y'all start time?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Like limit?

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Like y'all gotta point you like after this time, I'm
tapped out. It's on DVR.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
You know what's your thoughts on late football game starts?
You like it, hate it, don't give a damn Dion.
I gotta take this compliment, man. It just is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
You know. I remember the first time I played on
Monday night football. Ain't like it. I ain't like the
feel of it. I'm like, what time is it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I should have been done with the game already, were
about start. It does feel a little different or early
start time. Your bio rhythms are off. But same time,
this is gonna amplify the game. More money, more nil money,
more salary money for Dion, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Ruh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
So you believe these late kickoffs significant issue for viewers
and fans or is it simply part of the evolving
landscape of televised sports.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I say the latter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
All right, let's talk up from common funk up some comments? Yeah,
well these are from Friday's show. Let's see what they
talking about. Oh, they talking about the Max Kellerman stuff.
Glad you stood up for Max. Totally disrespectful. How Stephen A.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Smith ran around talking about him? Then Stephen A. Smith
claiming he's being attacked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Yeah that was weak. Max, stay's respectful. Keep doing what
you do. You and Maxie. The podcast will listen. Max
and I have talked about a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
That's it. We have talked about it. We'll continue to
talk about it, I'm sure in the future, but those conversations. Look,
I tell y'all what the real is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
We got something in our back pocket that we know
we can play Big Joker and it can always play.
In the meantime, I'm doing this, and in the meantime,
Max is going to the mailbox every month getting checks
from the ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Timing is everything. SFY is not the same without Whitlock
and Wiley. Well it shouldn't be. We ain't there. Let
me stop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Marcellus the educator would always give us like lessons during
the show, and that's one of the things I miss most.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Although SFY is pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Entertaining with those forecasts now, but I never felt smarter
after watching it. It's like going to an all you
can eat buffet and then when you leave you're full,
but you realize the quality of the food isn't better
than that of a restaurant. Sfy I had a lot
more substance while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
He was there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yes, it did, and it's not going to have that
because that's on purpose. It's with intention. One, I chose
taking more of a moderator role. He ain't trying to
go all the way deep like he was with me. Two,
they didn't want the show to go deep, partly why
I wasn't on it going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
They didn't want that. That's not what they needed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
At the end of the day, at the end of
the cycle of all the sports and news, I thought
it was smart to go deep because everybody else don't
win in terms of telling you what happened in the game.
Everybody else didn't cover the surface and who won and
why they won.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Everybody else got theatric.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
I was like ain' at the end of the day,
I want to know something deeper, show me something different.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
But they didn't want that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
And I am not gonna be anywhere upsetting your economic model.
You want to know why, because I ain't looking out
for you. I'm looking out for me. If I mess
up your economic model, I ain't gonna make money. And
I just took to I just took the dare of
making more money on my own.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Simple as that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
So far, so good, all right, I'm not insulted by
reality I'm insulted when you make shit up. I'm using
that forever wise man, this mister Wiley, Yeah, I said
that quote. That's a wily ism. I'm not insulted by reality.
If you call me anything I am, You're not going
to insult me. Only thing that would make me feel
weird is if you make something up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Like why they make that up? What they talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
But then even that is gonna fly by me, even
though I'm gonna take notice of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
But when you say, Marcella's you big? Am? I supposed
to respond? What you mean? Say anything I am?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
WHATLCK was spot on. Stephen A isn't going to let
this go and we'll see what happens. Love the podcast,
Marcel's Wiley, keep the train rolling. I don't know, Steven,
they gonna keep responding.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I wouldn't, but see, shouldn't have been talking for two years,
so what I don't know if he is or not.
Pat has a big colt following Pat McAfee for years,
but when Aaron Rodgers Tuesday's happened, big sports media had
to pay attention to. ESPN had to pick up PMS.
What Oh pac Man, he said, PMS. I'm like, what,
Oh Pat McAfee show, because he was hurting them. Rogers

(01:10:30):
played a big part in that growth. Oh good point,
good point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I mean, look, let's not act like it was altruistic.
Oh my god, we loved Pat McAfee. You want to
go sign him for eighty five million? Yeah, that sounds
good to me too. Let's go do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Obviously they're like, y'all, he taking some he taking some
share away from us something. Marcell's I love that you
brought up the story regard McAfee paying Aaron Rodgers for appearances.
The question you posed on why this wasn't done back
in the day is fairly simple in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Okay, educate me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Today everyone has the ability to be their own network
ah and create their own platform. You don't need to
go on a network to get exposure. You create your
own channel and do your own thing if you have
the name recognition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
True. So I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Back in the day before social media, you needed those
networks to expand your brand.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Bang.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
They provided value to the athlete pre social media boom.
But nowadays that old network models arcade. Yeah, just like
the Cowboys offensive scheme. Shot, Why you say that? I hope,
I hope the scheme is old. Hope tonight against my
Chargers is old. Look at me saying my Chargers just
because I suck for the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Got that Cowboys? Is it ready there? Cowboy Jersey right there?
And since I ain't play well for him, I don't
claim on the satura Nah, I got love for him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
But y'all in Dallas, this is la homie, all right?
What Stephen A. Smith is doing his foul? He did
Max wrong and deflecting to Windlock is wrong, but nobody's
talking about how he's trying to eliminate Skip. Really, Lebatar
pointed it out him bringing on Shannon was done for
him to get more blacks on his side and further
turn people against Skip.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I see right through that too, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I can see bringing on Shannon brings on more more
blacks because even Shannon knows his power in the black community.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Shannon would tell.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You I got the community, I got unk, I'm the
unk in the community.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
But is that okay? Is it a sea saw? I
brought the money in and then bringing in the black
what is that gotta do with Skip because he used
to be with Skip. So he'supposed to unemployed because he
was with Skip.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Nah, Like I don't believe in that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Like I don't believe in those kind of loyalties, like
your network, let me go not Skip. The network could
have over like overrude Skip like na dog or Skip
got overruded by the network saying na dog.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
He's staying, I don't care. Y'all gonna work it out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
They can choose that, but they don't over there Fox
more so they don't. They'd be like y'all beefing. Y'all,
y'all get away from each other, Chris Carter, Nick Right,
y'all got issues, y'all get away from each other.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Uh this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, So I don't see it as a shot to Skip,
even though I hear what you were trying to say.
All right, listen, you know we finished every show we
finished with a wily is Ooh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Got a little coach's voice in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
That has brought to you by bet us log in
to Wileywins dot com. We've made the world absolute about relativity.
We've made the world absolute about relativity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
WHOA, This is how we get caught up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
We start doing this big gathering of people, y'all them
they we make groups larger than they are. We almost
talk about things in those absolutes, realizing that that is
gonna be your downfall. I hope you understand that. How

(01:13:42):
many times you ever been on social media? You got
one hundred comics? How many of them are bad?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Ten?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Why does it feel like they all are bad when
you see those ten instead of those ninety that are good.
It's relative ninety ten, but it feels absolute all bad, worse?
How many likes did you get? A thousand likes, one
hundred comments? Ten bad?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Ten bad?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Just ruled ten bad, just overruled a thousand and ninety good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Damn tho.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Some somebody's soldiers right there, those ten beat up one thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And ninety people because we look at things in absolutes. Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
So, growing up, I read the Bible, and when I
read the Bible, I'm not trying to be holier than now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
And I don't mess with anybody's religion.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Y'all do y'all, But y'all all gonna go to the
same place, whatever that is, the universe, God, Jesus, Mesiah, Jehovah, like,
I'm not into that. I'm into the inner power that
is in the universe that we are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
So I remember reading it though, and realizing how this
world is relative, realizing how you have to look at
all these things, everything from being clothed to unclothed with
the tree of life, taking a bite of the apple
and realizing, oh my god, you are naked. Now I realize,

(01:15:13):
now I can understand what you're going through. I have
a reference. There is a relationship, There is relativity to this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Before was this absolute a bliss? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
You knew nothing till you knew everything? Absolute is a beast.
But this world ain't that. This world is relative. Choices, sides, equilibriums,
balancing acts, ups, downs, lefts, rights, God, devil, love, hate,

(01:15:48):
And in this relative world, what gets people caught up is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
When they make it absolute. One of the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
One of the psychosis that occurs when suicide is a state,
mental state that you're going through that episodic you think
is absolute. You think it's all instead of just now,
this episode, just now, this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Moment, now, this time frame deep.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
So whatever you're going through, good, bad, or ugly, it's
kind of like football. You make an amazing play football.
Told my kids this is yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Oh you're just going to touch it out, amazing, Yes,
give it up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Now, go line up again, and let's do something again,
because it ain't gonna remember that, just like when you
messed up. Stop crying, Come on, come on, stop crying.
Make a play because it's all relative. Next, next, next.
Don't get caught up in that torture chamber thinking it's absolute.
Don't get caught up in that torture chamber thinking it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
It's not. We've been past that point. We've been that
that point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
So in this world, man, make sure you understand the
balance in that that's necessary. And give yourself proper credit
and value in all things you do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Did you take a breath? Just now? In hell x
hel You're valuable, You're still hear.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
You don't need things on your wall, you don't need accolades,
you don't need things written about you to tell you
how valuable you are. Just being is your value you
build from there. You're valuable enough just how you are,
just who you are. So I want people to understand that,
because I see a lot of people get sabotaged by
thinking in absolute form and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Then reckon who they are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Absolutely so we made this world absolute about relativity.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Don't you make that mistake as well? All right, y'all,
that'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
For more to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today. Want to keep
the conversation go on, Let's talk. Find me on all
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Dan Patrick Production That Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show
is executive produced by Dan Patrick, Marcell's, Paul Anderson, and
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