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my chip Kelly's story of him recruiting me to go
to Columbia.
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So a lot of love for UCLA. Plus I was.
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Gonna go there out of high school. It just was
a little too close. My homies were too hype all.
I can't go to UCLA, need to go away and
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I didn't at the time. Turns out they manage over
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people's money. You know, wealth management, all right, family trust,
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player who does the most in the community, Great Community
Service Award, Danny Worful Award. Right, great play on the field,
but greater service in the community. He asked me to
be on his national committee and I accepted. I'm like, what,
this is an honor Danny Worful. First of all, we
came out the same year, so that's crazy, right, And
you know you coming out to do wins the Heisman.
(03:02):
You're just looking at him like if you at the
Combines or wherever you at the East West Gate.
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You're like.
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For us to do that when heismand right, y'all that stuff.
Love to him, man, he's such a great soul, great dude.
But uh, it's honored to be on this committee and
kind of crazy, how that guy When I'm at Columbia.
I'm watching him at Florida tilting and killing it. I'm like, damn,
one day, I hope, one day, I hope, And now
look at this. Brothers for the same calls. Love for that.
After that, had a call with John Brinkers y'all who
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know y'all know whore that is?
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With my partner in Brinks TV. We had a great
team call.
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Uh. We got a lot of exciting.
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it a little bit in here, you know me.
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Last night I had to take a little step out
on the town. Had to show some love for my
boy Jamil Hardwick.
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Man. That dude is a great dude. He's just a
man dog.
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He always around his little son, Hart is a beast
in basketball. Comes over here, the schools up MJ some
term like I dang Where this boy get to handle
from sick now? Just been my dog forever and a
lot of people know him. They know his brother Amari Hardwick,
who is ghost member from Power all that stuff, but
(04:51):
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(05:53):
because Michael Cooper.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let me pull my socks up right now. Cooper Cooper's
famous for having the socks' only playing some defense, right,
remember Koop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He is a funny dude in real life. Oh my god,
well he's not laughing right now. When he saw Lebron
James on the sidelines of a preseason game over there
eating a meal, just not a snack, a meal, he
was like, dah, you gotta have more respect for the game.
(06:23):
So we saw Lebron in the second preseason game for
the Lakers, they playing the Golden State Warriors. Shout out
to them, boys, And we know the game didn't count,
but it matters for some, especially for those out there
trying to make the squad or more importantly, trying to
get their confidence up so they could make an impact when.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
The regular season comes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Lebron sat out the second half of the game
because he's ninety eight years old, been in the league
for ninety seven years.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's like, dog were good.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But this is what's interesting about this, And I'm I'm
gonna explain to you guys what Lebron is really doing,
because from the outside it could look like disrespect. And
I know Coop no what Lebron's doing. But at the
same time, Cooper's old school, and so old school players
gonna take old school looks at situations that these new
(07:10):
players are doing. All right, So in the second half,
you notice a few things. One, Lebron had a five
course meal. Secondly, he changed out of his uniform and
got into the gear right, had the.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Floss on him on the sidelines, all right. So he
came back as a spectator second half, which is common.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But the changing of the gear thing, that was a
little surprising to me as well. But hey, it is
the NBA, this sain't the NFL. We'll talk through it.
So caught eating his dinner, Michael Cooper's like, yo, what's
up that respect? For the game is lacking because their
leader is sitting there pounding some pasta or some chicken
(07:49):
or some shrimp scampy.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Or something over there.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right, So Lebron has been in this kind of like
conversation before. Remember you brought that wine in what twenty
eighteen they said, And you've seen them on the sideline before.
We seen cats before. Remember Mark sans Heres with the
hot dog doing he got caught.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And they made that a big scandal. I was like,
he ain't no hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Everybody eat hot dogs on the sideline in the preseason.
Everybody don't get caught, but everybody eat hot dogs. Why
a y'all trying to make this a headline. So that
was hilarious too. Now this is not a huge issue.
I just want to explain what the issue is. So
all school players, you know, respecting the game. They're old
school in the sense of they used to focus like this,
(08:35):
play basketball. What else you do? Play more basketball? We're
focused on basketball. You gotta look the part at the part,
you know, because they ain't have many options. They ain't
have the same platform, they didn't have the same vehicles
that these players currently have or even what I had.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Let's just be real.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So they got locked into singular focus, and focus was
defined as that for many, many generations. But that's not
how it's actually designed now, That's not how it's defined now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Focus is not one dot. Now stare at it. Basketball
more basketball.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's actually having mini dots, but knowing which one to prioritize.
So yes, I can be the leader of this team,
and yes that's one dot. Another dot is I am
focused when I'm in there, But when I'm not in there,
then I don't have to act that part anymore because
guess what, there are more things to focus on. Let
me get comfortable, Let me keep my game routine, let
(09:34):
me keep my meal diet plan going as long as
I can before the regular season comes and everything has
to shift, has to shift. It doesn't have to shift
in the preseason. This is more of a luxury for me,
Lebron James, than me acting like I gotta be blinded
by the code of basketball conduct.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You get what I'm saying here.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Lebron's in a routine, whatever his off season routine is,
that is now starting to merge with the preseason routine.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's gonna have to merge one more.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Lane into the regular season routine, which merges is another
lane when it comes postseason. You don't do the same
things in all of those different seasons. However, there is
a healthy respect you pay to the game, and that's
through your effort when you cross those lines. Once you
get off that bench and you cross those lines respect
(10:26):
when you on the sideline, that's a different respect. I
remember Kobe Bryant used to talk about that. Remember Kobe
Bryant used to be like these dudes laughing at the
side of the bench or they laying down on the
side of the bench. Remember he called his teammates out.
But then you saw Kobe before he retired, was the
same Kobe signing autographs and taking pictures or you know,
signing shoes even during games when he was injured or whatever.
(10:48):
So what is a respect for the game. That's what
we're gonna talk about right here. Well, Lebron was doing
was flexing, and every athlete I've ever met wanted that
end game flex.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's the end game flex?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, it starts like in high school because when you're
in Pop Warner or Little League, it's too young.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You're too young to be doing this. But when you
get to high school.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I guess because the girls are starting to take notice
of you, and you're starting to feel status and social status.
There's an end game flex that we all wanted. Let
me tell you. The first time I saw it happened
to me, which made me want to do it too.
We were playing Sarah High School. Sarah High School out
there in Guardina to me is Compton. But go ahead, Guardina,
(11:34):
if you make it right off the freeway, I get it,
it's Guardiana. So Sarah High School beast beast. They had
these twin linebackers. I forget their names. I probably didn't
even know their names. I just knew of them. They
were silly. I don't even know where they went to
college anything. I should have kept up, but boy, they
were tilting on us. We played Sarah my senior year.
I told y'all my senior year we were sorry, hello,
(11:56):
sorry all in ten on the football field, we were.
But our record ended up being one and nine because
one team cheated against us. They had ineligible players. They
had some dummies out there. That's why I say that,
making myself feel good. That's dummies out there beating us up.
All right, So we won and nine basically zh and tenth.
For real, We played Sarah at Sarah with only seventeen players,
(12:22):
and the best player on our team was going to Columbia.
Let me tell y'all what having us When we got
off that damn freeway.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
My teammates, they wasn't shook. They just wasn't good enough.
And I'm like, we had we on the border Guardena
and Compton. Damn buckle up. And we went out there
and they are dying that they deep and they had
them twins, and the twins had.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Their jerseys tucked under their shoulder pads, stomach out just
not gut, but not six pack. You know that that
that little belly with the six pack on top.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You ever seen that? And they just walking downs that
they had a little band and all that. I was like,
we ain't got enough players to even scrimmage each other
in practice.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Were about to go at it though, let's go man.
You looked up at halftime it was fifty two to zero.
So famm, why the band matters? Because what happens in
the second half? They did what Lebron did. Came out
second half. Guess what the twins.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Had on no shoulder pass.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They were just sitting there with those same jerseys, chilling,
just hanging out loose on the sidelines, on the bench,
but not sitting on the bench regular you know, like that.
You know how in high school used to sit on
the top of the bitch. They sitting on top of
the bench, their feet on the bench, and they.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Just sitting there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And I'm not lying. I'm on the field. We down
fifty two, donut, they kicked the ball off, I get tackled. Look,
they sitting there.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They're not even playing the second half.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They sitting there with their feed up, jersey's untucked, and
there were cheerleaders behind them talking to them while they
was eating something. I don't know if it was a
hot dog or not, but I would man, maybe some
chili chief FreeDOS. And so I was like God, and
that was the flex and every athlete And usually you
try to find it in the preseason game when you
pro because you can't be doing that in the regular
(14:25):
season game.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Coach locking, locking, locking, But in the preseason you'd be like, coach,
shut up this preseason food, so you don't count. So anyway,
I saw that, and I was like, I gotta get
that flex. I gotta get that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Flex, But I remind y'all we were zero to ten,
so we were never in any.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Games where we had the lead.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We were down enough where I should have took off
my equipment, but I was like, nah, I'm trying to
get my skollarie on and try to get my ball on.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So that flex actually occurs.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now, I got it in the pros and the season
to Lebron's statement.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
To Lebron's point of yeah, you want a flex like.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
In it, I'm so good or I'm so like untouchable
that y'all worked for it, y'all go get that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh yeah, I did my dang all right, didn't I
put in my work? You go get him bored? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Good stuff like you like a baby assistant coach, right,
And it's a flex. All Lebron was doing was just flex,
just letting everybody know, reminded them keen things.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
These are keen things.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That I'm out here doing. So final score that Sarah game,
fifty five to six. Yeah, that second half they only
scored a field goal and we scored a touchdown, but
we were so sorry we didn't even convert get the
extra point. So what do y'all think of Lebron James's behavior,
y'all think that's a sign of a lack of respect
(15:50):
or you're like, no, it's just a flex.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Relax cool, pull your socks down and relax right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And these food and drink incidents Mark Sanchez one't on
the air with y'all like this when Mark Sanchez did that,
and I'm telling you that was commonplace. Y'all got a
problem with that. A cat just busting out some nachos.
Wi's third quarter.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Are y'all like, dog, chill, bro, you're doing too much,
so let me know.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Beat that up in the comments when y'all see something
and tell me, y'all flex y'all ever get a flex off?
Oh it's so good when you just everybody working and
you just chilling like this. Man, I'm telling you them
twins were sitting there like this. Some girl Keisha and
Tanya was right here and they were.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Just like I was like, I'm still out there getting
whooped up on salute for the flex. Go God, God,
they setting you up. And if you have subs, you
heard this. I heard. I'm like, beg whether the baby
(16:57):
cartoon too? After marriage, the honey moon moved, I was like,
Olive oil goggle.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
With a spoon spoomh Greg Nice smoothie. Oh ran into
Greg Nice one time and the party fan manned him
to death like he was like walking.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I was like, Greg Nice, your life's like a fairy
ta Yale.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Orca was a great big way Yale A fan man
in the hell out of that, dude. Dang't they were huge,
nice and smooth for that late eighties. They were banging
man respect to the grapes in that song right there,
y'all remember that one. All right, y'all, y'all know this
show was about to you by probably transition, probably transition.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Dot or go there. Leave the donation, support the community,
support the kids, and I will take care of.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You, all right, t Yo, whoa he gonna need some support.
Thank God, he's okay. I talked to him. He's fine.
And he got his knee messed up a little bit
soreing on that, but he's fine. When you hear somebody
got hit by a car, immediately I start going back
to the days where I was.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I've seen that go really foul. Right, what was my
guy's name? I think he passed away right running back Nebraska?
Who end up? Didn't he run?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Into somebody with a car before and it went bad.
Something like that. Beat it up in the comments.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
All right, let's talk about this one, because I do
know this story with to involved in an accident, and
it happened this week and the authorities are investigating it
as a deliberate act. Like that means you behind the wheel, sir.
You see that's Terrell Owens, Sir, Terrell Owens. If you
talked to him, Terrell and then also boom and.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Kept pushing, all right, so we know he got hurt.
I talked to him. He said his knees jacked up
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Other than that, what happened now, First of all, this
started off in Calabasas at a basketball game where he
had an argument with another dude.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
This is the report, right, So I'm reading this report.
I'm like, interesting, seems like there's a little bit more
to this story. All right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
The guy's been arrested assault with a deadly weapon. That's
what he's gonna be charged with, I should say, not arrested,
charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Yeah, because cars
didn't kill you. All right, let's talk about what happened.
Once I read that, I was like you got hit
by a dude with a car and it's assault with
(19:29):
a daily weapon, and why were you in front of
the car and why was the guy behind the wheel
trying to run you over? So they on the basketball
court and on the basketball court, you know how it
goes like we've seen them all the time somehow, some way,
especially when it's competition, dudes just get riled up and
forget that it's competition in fun, right, and it gets
(19:51):
serious out there.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So TiO gets fouled.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Once he gets fouled, he lands into another guy kind
of hard because he got fouled, hard checks on the guy.
The guys like not having it, and you ever seen that?
And this is this is why this is a real
interesting story because I've seen this before and I'm not
sure if everyone sees this unless you are someone of celebrity,
(20:15):
someone of fame, someone of recognition. Okay, but we'll talk
through it, y'all beat it up in the comments. So anyway,
guy wasn't having it, like dogs start bumping his gums reportedly,
and then too too.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Would never start something with a guy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
In terms of personality, I've never tells a quieter type
one of the more meek kind of guys. He look,
he is a star. Now, don't get it tripped, don't
get it twist. You're gonna have the glasses on and
he's gonna be like this. You're gonna be like, oh,
that's a superstar right there. But he ain't the one
to be starting stuff like going out there.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What he did on.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Teams before and all that, that's just conversations through media,
et cetera. Right, But from all my experiences with him,
I've never seen him start stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But he gonna finish it. He ready, He is ready.
He just sayin't gonna start. He ain't gonna shoot first.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
So anyway, they start going back and forth at it,
and then the game ends. The guy leaves before the
game ends, goes outside, took off his shirt, said I'll
see you outside waiting for you outside.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh, there's no worse feeling than the anticipation of some pain.
Pain itself is fine for me. You just come up
to me bomb, okay. But if you come up to
me and be like, I'll be outside waiting on your hommy,
we good.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh this in my head, I was like this, mama,
because I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
First thing, I'm thinking is he got gunplay, And I'm like,
I Am not going outside to get shot. But then
I'm like, I am not staying in this gym for
the rest of my life. Then you know this, See
it's reflex calling up my cousins and my hey a calabassas, yeah, Calabasas, yeh.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
All right, but I ain't doing all that. So I'm like,
I ain't trying to get them in trouble. I ain't
trying to have them save me, bail me out. I
ain't trying to fight with the dude. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We just I got found full and I fell on you,
sorry or landing on you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sorry, But you can't even say sorry in these moments
because he already woofed, so sorry he ain't even gonna work.
Soft Assen's muffu piles out and the shit I dunk
on that muffle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So it's like, ain't no punks here, but I ain't
no fools either. I ain't trying to get killed. So
you go outside. So finally to go outside, and the
dude is waiting, thankfully unarmed but with two arms ready
to what's up? What I was like, if I t
I'm like time out, not TiO time out. That was
(22:45):
doing time out. Hey, we ain't about to fight dog,
like shut choke set choke something dog. But nah, you
know that testoster in that competition, Oh that's Jenny juice.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
That's a hell of a mix.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's going down and altercation out there too leaves.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Dude follows t O.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
T O pulls into a place where it's well lit,
and then they get out the car. This is what
I'm gathering. You know, I've beenhit in the head a
few times and I'm like what I'm like? This is
on Netflix, Like tell you're talking about Yo. This all
happened after a basketball game.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Dude, dude tries to run over to YO because he
tried to leave and then turn around and try to
come back. This way, I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Gonna let Teo feel in the details, Like I really
want him to tell y'all this explicitly, because the way
he tells it is insane.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So he's gonna have his chance to say this. I
don't want to kill it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't want to throw it all out there, but
I got to give y'all the overview. And that's what happened,
and the dude ran them over and then kept it going.
And the report says he hasn't been arrested yet. But
I told Tyo, hey man, you know me, I believe
in snitching.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I believe in I believe in the full extent of
the law.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You do something to me, Oh, I'm telling and I'm
getting you in trouble as much as possible. So you
leave me alone and it's a determent for someone else.
Now here's the problem. Her dude got history, so this
may be a real bad situation for old do not
sure about it yet, So why am I bringing this
up other than damn, t O, did you dunk on them?
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What kind of banging was you doing during that game?
How many points did you have before this? But it's
really a dynamic. This is what I want to talk through.
People always walk around and give you compliments like you're
so down to earth, or oh you're so cool. Oh wow,
you're way nicer than I thought you would be. You
say that to the stars, to a t o the
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people you meet. I even hear it right when you're
just being normal, people like oh my god, I can't
believe so that you know where already they're trained or
where they're coming from where they're conditioned. Now, there always
has to be interactions between celebrity and fans are just
normal people, myself included. We have to both sides. I'm
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a fan. I ran up on Greg Knights, like you
know what I mean, I get it. That's why I
believe in the coexistence. That's why the foundation probably transition
because you can't just build up this wall of Oh
my kids go to private schools and they go to
the best schools, and they got tutors and specialized trainers
and they're gonna be perfect. They got to coexist. I
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don't give it, damn what you did for your kids.
They're gonna have to go out into that world to
meet other people. So coexistence is so important. What happens
when someone who is a normal person without celebrity comes
in counter with a celebrity When there's an issue, there's
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always this dynamic. Oh, I know, they got more to
the so when they got more to lose, you press
even more on them.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
At them.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
See it happened so many times a regular dude, nine
dudes out there balling. They just regular dudes balling. But
t O's there. So when there's an altercation when there's
an issue where they're friction all sudden, Oh to got
more to lose.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So dude, be like, what's up? And what do people
tell too? In that moment?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The first thing they gonna say, Hey, doll, chill, chill.
All he gonna do is try and sue you, bro.
All this gonna do is make news all this everybody
start reading all your receipts of all the things you've
got to lose. Dude got something to lose too, We
just may not know it. But oh that's his advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Nobody telling him, calming him down, nobody trying to call
his dogs off, but all mine got to back up.
I hate that dynamic.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Because it's used against you all of a sudd Now
you become a prisoner of your own success.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I like the reminders they're coming from a good place, but.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I wish y'a would remind him too, Hey he I
value in this world too, and he need to chill
out too. Maybe he ain't gonna get all splattered across TMZ.
But is that the only reason you ain't gonna fight
is because a TMZ?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Are you gonna fight?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
TMZ is not the issue here? Is it? Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So that notoriety is used against you, and next thing,
you know, guys flex harder on you because they know
that chances are you ain't gonna return fire because they
hear them dudes too, They hear the chatter Chill, chill,
don't do that, don't ya.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You're gonna get true. That the job of the entourage,
I guess right. So these dudes getting charged up and
they waiting, they lurk. This is the thing I've seen.
They lurk quietly to pounce on.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You and use your status against you. Happens to me
when I coach, when there's a call in my favor, Oh,
you just did that, because it's because he's Marcel Swiley.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was the right call, or he got it wrong.
But he ain't doing for me, because you know why,
there are more calls against me than there are for me.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
MJ gets flag garden almost every damn game, and I
swear I watch every video.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't see no flag garden, but I don't complain.
Complaining is contagious.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But they sit there, the mother coaches when things start
going well for me, Oh, it's because he used to
play in the NFL. But look, his assistant coach is
Reggie Bush. Of course they're gonna win. What happens when
we lose. They still got me as a coach and
Reggie Bush as a coach. You ain't saying it did.
We're the same coaches. We lose too.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
We lost two games in a row this year. Oh
Marshaller's and Reggie Bush.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
They be using your your success against you. So this
dynamic is real interesting because I've seen it so often.
And look, I'm not a basketball player. I'm not a hooper,
and if I were, I'd be like pick a ball.
It ain't that contentious. But the point is, when something
goes it's amazing to see how people, especially dudes like this,
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have that inner jealousy or don't know how to deal
with the fact that, Okay, you do something well. But
that ain't the problem. This is the problem they use
all they using to when he played Hall of Fame
football player against him in Calabasas playing pickup basketball, his
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cat's be envious and I'm out there coaching little eight
year olds and then they throw it in my face
and then what can I do? Oh that would make
their day? To get into a fight with marcellis Whyley.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And I'm like, what kind of dude are you? It
would not make my day to get into a fight
with any if I saw le Bron James and fought them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Wouldn't feel good about fighting Lebron James. What were fighting about?
It's so silly. So when I heard THEO story, I
was like, man, this is deep. And I also saw
the life lesson in that, and I just want to
level it out.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
One.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I want celebs, the ones that do act cocky. It's
not all of them. Stop acting like that dog.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
We all on this same planet spinning and granted and
trying to be winning, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And y'all who ain't celebri or whatever, stop thinking all
these dudes crazy. It's just be nice, be respectful, like
you don't come in hot, don't come in like I
did to Greg nice.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It'll be all good.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
But boy, whatever's going on that jealousy and that oh
he got more to lose, So I'm gonna press him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm gonna test him because he got more to lose.
Be careful.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Some guy's got a lot to win too, and to
is a winner. So look out for that man and
see the details of this story. I left out some
key parts on purpose because it's t O's story to tell.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Hopefully he does.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That, and but he gave me permission to talk about
it because he knows I'm gonna do it the right way.
So y'all know that was a deliberate act. And in
this situation, have y'all ever been there before?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
On either side?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
The guy who like you know you went too far,
be real, beat it up in the comments. Let me
know you flexed on somebody because you had some inner turmoil,
little jealousy, or you just didn't like that food, as
simple as that. And how can these situations be better diffused?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Because ain't no way.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm telling y'all right now, I am not having someone
in a gang found me or I found them. That
turns into us talking about it all gang till we
get technicals, till we get kicked out to be outside
in the parking lot to you following me somewhere else
that is not happening.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Call me a punk. Yes, what's my last name in
my first name? Pump? Yeah, I'm a Pump's what's my
last name? I'm getting home to these ieddy biddies.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hell no, it's too many foods out there, so y'all
tell me what y'all think about the whole situation. Beat
up in the comics, this is a highlight. This is
one of my favorites. Why do I always do that
curve like it ain't nothing here? And I always like
hit it like a curve hitting countless in the sixth trait,
Oh man, this is one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Y'all ready for this. Dang dang darn darn darn darn
darn darn n dung dung dong dung y'all remember that
dug dung dun dong dung dng darnurnrn dung dang dong
du An. It funny when you do stuff like that
and your friends be looking at you like dog, it
doesn't sound like that to me, like it sounds to
you in your head. You be like, yo, I'm naeling this,
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and they be like, what are you doing? So crazy? Right?
Mamelon rona kicking flavor?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
The are possibly said, yo, Latifa, we can do this,
So I Paula hit up calls and then I'm gonna
dog canna see already news this cause I'm in full effects.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh oh yes, PSI come man, oh way, Rather all that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Song where the raff of my madness is. Oh, that
was amazing song. Project Transition dot org, Project Transition dot org.
You put that song, all right, now, I got two
sacks for you, coach in the first quarter if you
put on that song, that song go hard. All right,
Let's get into these negative nicknames and name calling, as
I say, adjectives about athletes.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
There was a story out recently kind of summing up
what's going on in sports media of late. It was
headlined by Hugh Douglas. Respect to Hugh Douglas and his strength. Man,
you know, he just lost his son recently, and that's
the homie right there, and he says he's done calling
NFL players quote unquote garbage.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
All right.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Now, that comes on the heels of Steve Smith when
he gained a lot of attention. You guys saw it
with his strong on air criticism at Jerry Judy. We
all remember that one right, called them an average wide receiver,
mentally unable to handle constructive criticism. Kept it respectful, but
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kept it strong as well. Right, So Hugh Douglass comes
on the heels of that and he's like, look, I'm
gonna talk about my approach to player criticism and avoid
overly personal attacks. Due to the fact that he played
in the NFL. I've always thought this was an issue
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between investment and experience with that sport, that game. If
you played it, you've been a part of it. Ninety
nine percent of the time, you're gonna respect it to
the point where you're not gonna call cats out of
their name because you respect how hard it is just
to do it. But there is one percent, and those
are the ones that are chasing the.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Dollars the bag.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And I'm gonna be real in sports media, if you
I want the bag, you're gonna have to cross that line.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
If you want the bag now you can get pay paid.
I got pay paid. But the bag double digit ten
plus million cats, those cats way up there, the eight
ten million whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Ooh, they crossed that line.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, And I see some guys former players that at
times double dutch or they crossed that line because they
want that back.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
All right, So let's talk through this, all right. So
he said you, Douglas was like, look, we talking about
Zach Wilson. Let's use him as an example. Here's a
quote by him.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
The Jets are guilty by association when it comes to
Zack Wilson, Now, what was it. A couple of weeks ago,
he had one of the best QBR ratings that he's
ever had. He was talking about the fact that people
will call Jack Wilson garbage.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
One of the actual announcers.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Joe Giglio Digitalo, sorry if I messed up your name,
he said, he's terrible, and then you Ugglas is like responding, like,
dog dude just had an amazing game a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Terrible, Terrible doesn't have amazing games. You can see the
Tug Award that they have right here. Here's the last
quote before we really get into this.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He says, I didn't want to say that he's terrible
because the one thing that I'm trying not to do
because I see a lot of my contemporaries doing that. Now,
I'm trying not to use those words like garbage and
like certain things like that, because it does take a
lot to get to this level of play, at this level, right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So let's be real about this topic. This topic is
about how do you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Portray, how do you actually explain communicate properly someone who
is playing bad? Like playing bad, you can't just say
that because one that ain't gonna move the needle. Oh,
he's playing bad? How is he playing back? Why is
he playing bad? Sum up his performance? And that's when
you start to see guys cross that line. You see
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a lot of guys hub even Hugh Douglas said, a
lot of contemporaries, and then you see some guys cross
the line.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, it's crazy how this world works.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Synchronicity. I believe big time in synchronicity. So yesterday morning,
I get a text from my boy Francis Powers shout
out to Franny Pu he went to Columbia with me
as well, La Cat, what's up?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
And he sent me a clip.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And this clip is a decade plus old of Skip Bayless,
Rob Parker, Jay Crawford and yours truly talking about this
same subject.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So I won't hold y'all ahead longer.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I'm gonna let y'all hear me years ago, a decade
plus ago, and Skip Bayless on this topic. Let's go
tell Skip and our audience at home your problem with
using nicknames for pro athletes. Yeah, I mean, if I
had a DeLorean, I would use it to go back
to the future with just one day to.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Be here with you and Jalen.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Just to really talk about when you talk about athletes
outside their names, I think that's out of bounds when
you think about it, in the sense of you're not
talking about the act, the excess and o's of that
guy's production. You're talking about the actor. And that's a problem,
I think because in sports. To play sports, I played
ten years in NFL, you have to have a discipline
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to even make it to that level or to excel
within the NFL. And now I've made the transition. I've
been with ESPN going on five years, and I've been
desensitized a little to it in the sense of all
the color analysts and all the things we say about
athletes in the sense of, Okay, to make a story.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That much more believable, or to make.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
A story that much more exciting, I have to take
another step. But I think we're out of bounds to
the point now that I'm looking at it and realizing,
where's the discipline in journalism? The same discipline as we
make a translation of the game that we're all covering,
I think we should use some of those elements in
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how we actually cover that same game.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
What is out of bounds to someone.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
We were talking about it off air, and I think
right now, the best analogy for me is there's a
speed limit and we're one mile per hour over the
speed limit and sometimes even.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Further and maybe when you're one mile over.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
The speed limit, no one can notice it, but you're
still breaking the rules. And right now, I think when
you guys up here, because I never do it, I
don't try and get into the name calling. I know
it's fun, I know it's easy. I know it's a
slippery slope. But at the same time, when it gets
to the point where now the x's and those turns
into the eyes and use that's someone I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, I there's a big difference between using nicknames in
name calling. I never name call. I've never insulted anyone
personally about their appear. Are there background or taking some
personal cheap shot at people? The nicknames are scathingly accurate
depictions of their performance. They say a million words with
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one word, that's what's happening according.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
To who those kids. Well, I'm just telling I'm the
regulator of that. It's a subjective experience.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
It's a subjective experience, and that's the difference between being
a translator of the game, which I thought we were
supposed to be, versus being one who portrays the game,
who adds drama to it, and then all of a
sudden the depiction gets exaggerated.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay, wait a second, Bosh Spice is an accurate portrayal
of how he played or didn't play last year. He
played small, he shrank under the new glare of the
spotlight in Miami. Team obliterator terall Owens was an accurate
depiction of how he wrecked not one or two, but
three teams. He was team obliterator, me, myself and Iverson.
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That's how he played. It was all about Allan wherever
he was. Kyle, I should have been a bowler. Now
that's a tough one. That's a tough shot, but it's
the truth, because he was way overrated as a top
tick in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
But isn't that name calling? Yeah? No, I mean it
seems like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Damn I sound the same in terms of what I'm
talking about. Man, I should have reminded myself a long
time ago that I'm meet Okay, I've never been a
fan of color commentary going that far for entertainment purposes.
I've never been a fan of it doesn't mean I'm right.
I'm just telling you I've never been a fan of it.
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But I knew not being a fan of that was
not going to help me have any of the wind
in my sales.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It was gonna actually be a.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Headwind because I saw it clearly in the culture, saw
it clearly how they were rewarding the cast that did that.
Remember at that time, first take, I'm going on that show,
and Skip Bayley this is the man, and Skip Bayless
had all those nicknames for all those cats, and if
you listen to him at the end, started to wiggle
a little bit, right, He started to wiggle, because let's
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be real. If you're gonna be real enough to call
somebody a nickname and stand on it, then also be
real enough to say them nicknames out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But I like going out of bounds. You know.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Sorry, that ain't how the game supposed to be played.
But what does that mean supposed to be played? There
are business models, these are entertainment products. These are entertainment platforms.
And if you're gonna go there, my only thing is
they go there and then they act like they ain't
going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Like, oh, you called the dude, sorry, and you got
them out of his name.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You got Russell Westbrook being known more as west Brick
rather than mister triple Double. He easy could have been
known as mister triple double, endorsements, all this stuff, but
you got him known as west Brick and he's a
future Hall of Famer. But two hundred million dollar contracts
and that's a brick.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Damn. What do you get if you make shots? You
know what I'm saying, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So I'm seeing it clearly because me, I always try
to look at things from the other side of the
table before I look at it from my perspective. Why
I ain't know what I'm thinking? All right, No, alright,
know me? But what y'all doing over there? And I
remember looking around and there are some habitual linesteppers out there,
but all the top dogs do that. All the top
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dogs are colorful like that, right, skip Stephen A Colin,
Jim Rome. And then there's like a Dan Patrick and
Pat mcafeel who's like up there in terms of top dogs.
But they don't do that. And y'all correct me if
I'm wrong. I just don't see them doing that. There
was a time where Steve and they was saying the N.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Word on ESPN. Have y'all seen them clips.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
There's a time where all these guys got nicknames and
you just, oh, I don't want to hear it. And
I was like, I mean, it's literally like your face,
like me growing up that side of the street.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
They cripping over there, they blood. You know, I lived in.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
A crip neighborhood, but I got I practice in the
blood neighborhood. Track practice Dorsey right there in the jungles.
Oh yeah, we got problems, Okay, Then okay, my cousins
want to come, my uncles want to come, like okay,
Then we got games in Inglewood. So it's like all
this choice, Like I've always lived a life, it seemed like,
with these binary choices, and I've never choose like I'm
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gonna do me and that always comes at a cost.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
At a price.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You'll imagine knowing that you have the capabilities to do
something but you won't do it, and then seeing those
who do it get rewarded more than you.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It can make you mad. Didn't make me mad, know what.
It made me realize.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
There gotta be a different way. I didn't get mad
at Cripson bloods.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I was just like, it gotta be a different way.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I don't get mad at you doing something and it's
working for you or it's not working for you, because
I'm in my lane, and my lane was ten years
plus ago saying it that way and still to this
day saying it this way. However, I also knew that
means you see that mountain top up there, this game
ain't for you. It's almost like being a football player,
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but you don't like contact. Dion and Dion like Dion
had a narrative. He didn't, but I've seen too many
players Dion sticking it in there.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
He won't to like that, but he's smart. But football
gonna be tough. If you play and you don't want
to get hit, don't go with narratives. I'm talking about
for real. You know, basketball gonna be tough if you
don't like to hustle, you know what I mean. It's
gonna be tough, you know, and sports media is tough
if you don't want to go there on somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
It's like this incentive and nobody tells you to do it.
Jay Crawford is a great example that dude was nicer
than nice. Skip Bennis is really nice in real life too,
but on air he got that persona. But in real
life he's super cool. But Jay was super cool on
air too, and he had a great career. But you
can't be that top dog and he was a moderator,
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different role, but you can't be that top dog less
you go there. And that's what got Rob Parker in trouble. Remember,
even though that was kind of weak the whole, like
what do you call RG three cornbread brother, he must
have had other strikes because I was like, that's it,
but I remember that was a firestorm. But that was
also him trying to go there because Rob Parker was
part of the rotation. See what I'm saying, everybody, you
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see everybody do it. You see everybody just get their shot.
Ryan Clark when he went a tour, everybody get they
shot off to just see because they know that's where
the bag at. And then if they don't, oh damn it,
or theyd be like ah, that ain't feel good, or
you know, somebody check them, like two of them, like
hey dog, respect, it's a real game out there. Just
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want you guys to see behind the curtain, what's really
going on when you see these shows, you see these cats,
and you see they doing it, just know that ching
ching is at the end of doing that, because that's
the economic model, that's the platform, that's what's being supported
and rewarded. So I'm not a fan of it. I'm
in a different scope. And there are a lot of
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guys like me. You Douglas sounds like another one, And
there are a lot of guys not like me. And
I'm not judging them, not mad at them. You go
ahead and crip, you go ahead and blood, I'll go
ahead and do it this way. So y'all tell me
in the comments. How should sports analysts and media personalities balance.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's a balance, right, you can't Hey, he's not performing
that well what do you think? Really?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
What did you just say? Like, you can't go up
there doing that. But it's a balance. But also you
can't go frist mother. I swear if I ever see
him throw another he's a sorry. He can't play for
he never gonna be great. I mean, how many snaps
have you ever had?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
You know what I mean? Like you'd be like that.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's a balancing act though, so honest criticism with the
responsibility of not being two personal or that crazy explicit language. Right,
how do you do that? Tell me how y'all think
it should go? And what impact do strong criticisms, even
Steve Smith Senior and Jerry Judy, etc. What do you
think that has in terms of impact on the athlete,
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in terms of the perception of the athlete, how the
athlete takes it and public perception as well, you as
the fan, what do you think of there? And for real,
are y'all okay with a harsh ass texts like you
can't have a great player without having.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
A bum sorry, garbage, trash, whatever. And I don't even
have an issue with the words as much as what
you mean by the words.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
It's it's like we're because it's really I'm not a
sensitive god, but like dog, don't call somebody out. I
think it's more like it's mislabeled for me. The words
apply to some cats, but usually those cats. We don't
talk about the sorriest players in sports.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We don't talk.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
About why because they not even good enough to play,
And if they are good enough to play, they ain't
that sorry. But even if they go out there and
mess up. Come on like the Dak Prescott. He's my
last example. As much as y'all want to say about Dak,
I could write two turn papers on Dak. One that
puts him in great company as one of the best
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quarterbacks up to his year in the NFL in NFL history,
win percentage and things like that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Right, I could put Dak in a good conversation.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Then I could put Dak in a bad conversation the
fact that he hasn't won enough in the playoffs and
he hasn't got his team over the hump.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
But that's the beauty.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Every single player in the NFL always got a scout
and record two sided. This side pros, this side cons
this side strengths, this side weaknesses. So I'm not mad,
but there is a balance in act, and it just
seems like sometimes all they want to read are the
weaknesses for some and then for others that they like strengths.
So tell me how to beat that up. In the
(50:00):
There is there room for harsh takes, y'all, like harsh
takes on athletes. Hey, the cost of praise is criticism,
So tell me what y'all think about that.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Taking my time, taking my time, taking my time. Can
I do it? Can I do it? Can I do it?
Dam what's up? Damn? I'm dark? I getting the light.
Oh love to you guys. Why Wi'sday? Whyley Wi'sday? Whyley? Whi'sday? Dogs?
(50:33):
And how hard it's time to gamble? Damn it.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I ain't never been this happy. I need to gamble more.
I am geeked up.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
It is time for Wiley Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yes, first things first, go to Wiliwinds dot com right
now and logo on. I'm gonna give one hundred and
twenty five percent. I'm gonna give you some money for
you to lose to me because I am good at this.
Now we're gonna have some fun little skin in the game,
hundred and twenty five percent for your sign up bonus
right now, so we can compete for some coin.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Okay, now, the game is this.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I'm gonna keep it simple at first and see how
y'all are, because one thing I learned is there's a
wisdom of the crowd.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
None of us is as smart as all of us.
And I think I'm really smart in football. Experience tells
me I probably am, but I don't know y'all I
don't know what y'all up to out there, but I'm
still up for the challenge.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And here's the challenge.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Once you go to waliwins dot com and you go
through this week of games NFL Week seven for games,
I'm picking the money lines. I am picking who's gonna
win these games, straight up, homie, like we did it
in the league on the field.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Straight up, homie, straight up. We are going to compete. Now.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
If you pick more winners than me, I'm gonna look
you up with a brick dog. Remember this. We was
there when they were like this got them bricks. Oh,
y'all love with some stacks. I'm gonna give you a book.
I'll give you a book and I throw one of
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these in there.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
That's me. Oh, I'm sorry, this is me. Look at
that guy. I love that guy. Look at that guy.
That guy. All right, you're ready to compete. I'm stalling.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'm only stalling getting choked up because I'm scared because
I've had some experiences with gambling before that.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Uh, that just got me to a great place. Let's
just say that.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Shout out to Panama, Shout out to Vegas, Shout out
to uh Barbae. Let me stop shout out to WILEI
wins dot com. All right, first game, we're gonna pick.
We're gonna go through this. I ain't gonna take forever.
I when they be giving you that little blurb and stuff,
shut up, man. You you made me wait through all that.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
You picked all them teams, and you were wrong, and
you gave me a blurb. That blurb didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
All right, So we're gonna go first, Jacksonville versus New Orleans.
That's tomorrow's game, Thursday night football taking Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Who y'all got? Okay? Then next game Atlanta, Tampa Bay
got Atlanta? What say something?
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Next Raiders, Bears got the Raiders. Don't ask me why,
just I know winners. Cleveland, Indy.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I got Cleveland. Boom boom boom bo, Detroit Baltimore. I'm
going with the look.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I ain't picking all the favorite season. Buffalo Patriots. I
think we all in agreement. Buffalo Commanders, Giants, g men,
you ain't think that. Cardinals, Seahawks. Oh they both birds, Seahawks,
the bird that's wet, the rainy bird.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
All right, Steelers, Rams damn go Rams.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yes, I got the Rams. Chargers, Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Let me just do that. Let me play it all
through the National anth and the whole after trues. Damn it.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
We're gonna lose to the chief We just lost to
the Cowboys. Were donnea gave away three games. We gave
away the Dolphins game. We gave away the Cowboys game.
We gonna we're gonna lose its Chiefs, probably Packers, Broncos.
Get it to me, baby, give it to me, baby.
I got those Packers, Dolphins, Eagles. Oh, that gonna be
a good game, boy, Google game that Sunday night football.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Golly, I'm gonna have to have me a little.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Little get together, a little pick aball social for that
Dolphins Eagles. I got the Dolphins and last one forty
nine Ers, Vikings, ah, forty Niners. Place your bets wileiwins
dot com. See if you beat me, get more right
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then me.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
If you do, you get who you get this, you
get that, good luck to you. Guarantee you you won't
beat me.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Why, I'm just cocky like that, And cocky is something
that I just can't help. All right, y'all. Now, let's
fuck up some comments. Let's fuck up some comments. Yeah,
I'm gonna leave that up back there because looks nice,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
All right, let's start off with Pat mcafeel. I don't
think Patt is changing what others always wanted to say.
It is instead showing bosses that allowing others to say
what they always wanted to say could be beneficial. That
was a great point, like it's opening up the minds
of the bosses, and the talent's been sitting there all
along saying, y'all ain't gonna like this or reward this,
(55:45):
so I ain't gonna go there.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
What we were talking about before with name calling.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
But now since y'all, oh, y'all paying y'all given eighty
five million for somebody wearing a tank top sit and
saying that boss, let go Greenberg too, let it go.
It looks fake now because we are not used to it.
Not because these folks are being themselves, but I'm sure
some will not be themselves because of corporate or internal
pressure is going forward. Yep, you know what it is,
(56:10):
riding dirty Marcellus. Everything is in constant random motion. Some
people get caught, some don't. It's that simple. Also, bad
energy breeds bad energy. He was speeding and wow, what
a surprise. He got a bigger charge. How is your driving?
You throwing bad energy out there? One thing about me, man,
I'm glad you said that. You're gonna make me cry
(56:31):
a little bit. I don't throw bad energy out there.
I really don't. And if somebody says I do, I'm sorry.
Big enough man say I'm sorry. I never try to
throw bad jury. I will respond, do not trip. I'm
like to, I ain't starting none. I will finish everything
you flex I got next. One thing about me, This
(56:52):
is why I didn't gang bang. Growing up, people are
always like, how you really navigating in theom simple? I
am an all in type of dude, and I know
if I were all in on a gang, I would
have been all in.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
I'm not scared like that.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Like even if I were twisted enough to be in
a gang, hurt enough to be in a gang, I
would have did whatever need was necessary, whatever whatever. That's
why I enjoyed it, because I knew I was crazy.
All right, damnsel you got me over here feeling like
a deadbeat daddy. I ain't mean it like that, but
(57:28):
I'm getting tired of parents acting like, oh, we're good,
your kids ain't good.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
If y'all ain't together, start there.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Your kids are hurting, now, address their pain and stop
thinking you're stop thinking you're the victim, and look at
them as the victim they are they really are. I
don't care if nobody else tells you I did. Kids
over there suffering.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
You know, my kids can't go to the bath, They
can't take a bath.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Their baths take up like thirty minutes to an hour
without nineteen different catastrophes and issues happening. Water everywhere, toys everywhere, Uh,
playing with the razor that my wife had, Like just
what that.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Shampoo? All the windows and you ain't there? Oh?
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Everything the same, everything, good everything, man, Stop Marcel's Wiley
giving some real family therapy, educational and enlightening.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Thank you for real. Look, I'm talking from my pain.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
I ain't talking like out of out of the side
of my book, out of the side of my mouth,
like I'm talking straight at you because I straight felt
this before my oldest You know how many moments I
missed with her.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
For real? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (58:39):
And you don't get them back, don't we don't we
realize that the older we get It's all about just
these connections in these moments.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
It's that's it. It's like it's like life is just
like memories, and you need enough money to have memories.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
That's like eminem's as Shannon Sharp told me on the
football field when he was he was blocking me in
different he was like, boy, you need to stop tripping.
It's all about what's that money and memories?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I was like, oh, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
I think Pat McAfee is going to be the Golden
State Warriors of ESPN. Meani just how most teams in
the NBA are trying to play like Golden State. Most
of them can't do it. Ah, The teams that stick
to what they do well and their identity will have success. Nuggets, Lakers,
heat Bucks, and of course the Warriors. Marcus p Sixteen
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
I like that. Oh that's dope. Yeah, you're right. You go. Look,
you're gonna create grimlins wherever you go.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
If you have success, success but gets success, right, you're
gonna create any bitty.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Grimlins just the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
All right, y'all, y'all know all we finish every show,
we finish it with a wily ism.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, brought to you by bet us.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Let's go all right, don't cheat on someone you don't
want to lose with someone you don't want to keep.
That's what I was trying to say yesterday, and I
found it.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Man, have you cheated before I know? I have? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
No, Man, shoot, I grew up seeing cheating, so I
was like, man, oh that's cheating. When I did it,
I was like, oh, I was raised that way. I
was trained that way. Everybody I saw it was just
getting it in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
YO. Know, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
My mama had me at nineteen, my dad. My MoMA
had me at nineteen, my sister at seventeen. And so
when I was eight years old, I remember like playing
Pop Warner and I missed my birthday. My mama had
a surprise birthday for me one time at Inglewood at
Darby Park, but I missed it because somehow I got
sick or something. I wanted to come home and my daddy,
(01:00:40):
and back then we didn't have cell phone, so my
daddy brought me home. Mama didn't communicate with daddy and
he like, what, I ain't know you was going you
surprising me too. I didn't know, but I remember I
was eight my mama because it wasn't even her birthday yet.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Or maybe she was twenty seven, twenty six. Me looking
at that now, I'm like, I was an eight year
old with a mind in life, and I was judgmentdle
of my mama, my mother, she was twenty six, twenty
seven yeah uh Lee.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
And then you look back at your childhood and some
of those decisions, like I don't know if you had
young parents, but I did. I was like, got dang,
y'all tripping, Mama drinking, i'm'a be quiet. I'm trying to read,
Mama loud. I'm like, I'm trying to read. I'm reading
Mama loud, Mamma getting a drink. Daddy just doing bills
and crankling newspapers and not paying attention, and the TV
(01:01:41):
owned and Eddie Murphy delirious. I'm like, we ain't got
no library, no study, no office. Everything said, I heard everything.
I'm like, god, dang, but I bring this up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Because they stayed together no matter what they went through.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And I trip out when I see cats get divorced.
You know, I'm at the divorce age now forty eight
or shit. My two best friends divorce and my other
one he ain't and he ain't gonna ever get divorced,
and me, I ain't getting divorced. My wife might leave me,
but I ain't get divorced. I'm Jada then I'm Jada Pinkett. Baby,
I ain't gonna nowhere, I ain't get divorce. I'll here
(01:02:22):
for the teddy biddies now, all right. So the funniest
thing is I've seen cats get caught up and they
cheat on someone they don't want to lose, end up
being hitting in them streets.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
With something they don't want to keep. Ye ain't it funny? Instagram?
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
You like godly, that curly sit, I don't know what
it's called, curly hairs, all of them and curly. Each
time me say curly, I'm like, I'll be like, oh,
don't do it to me with Zuckerberg, my finger, me moving.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Slom like the sucker fern. Don't do it. He know
it too. My wife no, baby, yeah, Leeve, Like, but
are you serious? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Like that's that's that's booble, that's that's future, that's wife.
He no, So don't get caught up, like keep keep
the singer moving food because that ain't what I want
to keep. And my wife is not what I want
to lose. So that's the only thing. Ain't no other reason,
trust me. She fine, it ain't none, no, no, But don't
cheat on someone you don't want to lose, with someone
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you don't want to keep.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It's crazy. Remind yourself, remind others.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
It's okay to look at it like god, dang, Okay, okay,
I'm good. My daddy was the king of Look at
my daddy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
He trained me. I was like, Daddy, we're going tomorrow.
He'd be like, yeah, that's really good. Yeah, I like
that jersey how much?
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Say oh, that's too much, boy, Daddy the jersey over here,
that's sucking.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Daddy was my daddy head. He was young. It was
thirty three, my daddy thirty three. Well I'm eight or something.
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So make sure I remind everybody out there. Don't treat
on someone you don't want to lose, with someone you
don't want to keep.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's dope right there. All right, y'all. That'll do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
For more to it, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Want to keep the conversation, go on, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
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Why we about to compete?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Today's today first day we're gonna compete, y'all. See it
at the bottom right there, It is Wiley Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So we about to go at it right now.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Just go get NFL Week seven, look at all the
matchups starting tomorrow and pick your winners. Go to wiliwins
dot com and submit those. But you're gonna see who
I got going into this week and if.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You beat me this week up, but.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You ain't gonna meet me, so you just do it
for fun and put a little coin on it right there,
because you ain't gonna beat me. I picked all the winners,
all right, y'all, y'all know how we start off every show.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
With What's up with that dude?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, yesterday after the show, I went to my spot,
you know, the spot I can't name because then y'all
all gonna show up. Even if y'all don't show up.
I don't want everybody put it on blasts, but it's
my spot. We had a good lunch meeting with Whittier Trusts.
So randomly, I went to the UCLA Washington State game
a week or two ago. Shout out to Martin who
(01:33):
looked out for me the ad there. You guys know
my chip Kelly's story of him recruiting me to go
to Columbia.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So a lot of love for UCLA. Plus I was.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Gonna go there out of high school. It just was
a little too close. My homies were too hype all.
I can't go to UCLA, need to go away and
grow up. So randomly, the sweet next to us is
a company called Whittier Trust. Have you ever heard of them?
I didn't at the time. Turns out they manage over
twenty billion. That's what a b all dollars of other
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people's money. You know, wealth management, all right, family trust,
family offices got all that, got all that, but two
billion of it is in philanthropy.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Oh, you've got my attention.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So we talked about our future together in partnership or
project transition going forward. And there's some pickupball players there.
So that was a great lunch meeting. After that, I
had a call with the Danny Worful. Yes, my guy
Heisman Trophy winner himself. Shout out to him, who has
a huge national award every year giving out to the
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player who does the most in the community, Great Community
Service Award, Danny Worful Award. Right, great play on the field,
but greater service in the community. He asked me to
be on his national committee and I accepted. I'm like, what,
this is an honor Danny Worful. First of all, we
came out the same year, so that's crazy, right, And
you know you coming out to do wins the Heisman.
(03:02):
You're just looking at him like if you at the
Combines or wherever you at the East West Gate.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You're like.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
For us to do that when heismand right, y'all that stuff.
Love to him, man, he's such a great soul, great dude.
But uh, it's honored to be on this committee and
kind of crazy, how that guy When I'm at Columbia.
I'm watching him at Florida tilting and killing it. I'm like, damn,
one day, I hope, one day, I hope, And now
look at this. Brothers for the same calls. Love for that.
After that, had a call with John Brinkers y'all who
(03:30):
know y'all know whore that is?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Y'all know you see that Brinks TV or somewhere right there.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah, yes, John Brinker is our founder of Brinks TV.
With my partner in Brinks TV. We had a great
team call.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Uh. We got a lot of exciting.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
News to announce big investments in Brinks, our valuation continuing
to rise, and all the good things coming our way,
and all the good things that's going to be in
programming for you guys.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So that was a good call. I'm about about to
show y'all my muscles.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'm gonna take my shirt off again and do this
this because we got some stuff to share with you guys.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So exciting.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
The bet that I made, the bet that I placed
on not only this company but myself is paying off.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So excited for that. Other than that, you can hear
it a little bit in here, you know me.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Last night I had to take a little step out
on the town. Had to show some love for my
boy Jamil Hardwick.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Man. That dude is a great dude. He's just a
man dog.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
He always around his little son, Hart is a beast
in basketball. Comes over here, the schools up MJ some
term like I dang Where this boy get to handle
from sick now? Just been my dog forever and a
lot of people know him. They know his brother Amari Hardwick,
who is ghost member from Power all that stuff, but
(04:51):
just family friends man, we neighbors too, So shout out
to him. Went to his birthday party yesterday, great time.
Saw a lot of old familiar face. All right, y'all,
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All right, let's get into this first topic right here,
(05:53):
because Michael Cooper.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Let me pull my socks up right now. Cooper Cooper's
famous for having the socks' only playing some defense, right,
remember Koop.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
He is a funny dude in real life. Oh my god,
well he's not laughing right now. When he saw Lebron
James on the sidelines of a preseason game over there
eating a meal, just not a snack, a meal, he
was like, dah, you gotta have more respect for the game.
(06:23):
So we saw Lebron in the second preseason game for
the Lakers, they playing the Golden State Warriors. Shout out
to them, boys, And we know the game didn't count,
but it matters for some, especially for those out there
trying to make the squad or more importantly, trying to
get their confidence up so they could make an impact when.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
The regular season comes.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So Lebron sat out the second half of the game
because he's ninety eight years old, been in the league
for ninety seven years.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's like, dog were good.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
But this is what's interesting about this, And I'm I'm
gonna explain to you guys what Lebron is really doing,
because from the outside it could look like disrespect. And
I know Coop no what Lebron's doing. But at the
same time, Cooper's old school, and so old school players
gonna take old school looks at situations that these new
(07:10):
players are doing. All right, So in the second half,
you notice a few things. One, Lebron had a five
course meal. Secondly, he changed out of his uniform and
got into the gear right, had the.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Floss on him on the sidelines, all right. So he
came back as a spectator second half, which is common.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
But the changing of the gear thing, that was a
little surprising to me as well. But hey, it is
the NBA, this sain't the NFL. We'll talk through it.
So caught eating his dinner, Michael Cooper's like, yo, what's
up that respect? For the game is lacking because their
leader is sitting there pounding some pasta or some chicken
(07:49):
or some shrimp scampy.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Or something over there.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right, So Lebron has been in this kind of like
conversation before. Remember you brought that wine in what twenty
eighteen they said, And you've seen them on the sideline before.
We seen cats before. Remember Mark sans Heres with the
hot dog doing he got caught.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And they made that a big scandal. I was like,
he ain't no hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Everybody eat hot dogs on the sideline in the preseason.
Everybody don't get caught, but everybody eat hot dogs. Why
a y'all trying to make this a headline. So that
was hilarious too. Now this is not a huge issue.
I just want to explain what the issue is. So
all school players, you know, respecting the game. They're old
school in the sense of they used to focus like this,
(08:35):
play basketball. What else you do? Play more basketball? We're
focused on basketball. You gotta look the part at the part,
you know, because they ain't have many options. They ain't
have the same platform, they didn't have the same vehicles
that these players currently have or even what I had.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Let's just be real.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So they got locked into singular focus, and focus was
defined as that for many, many generations. But that's not
how it's actually designed now, That's not how it's defined now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Focus is not one dot. Now stare at it. Basketball
more basketball.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's actually having mini dots, but knowing which one to prioritize.
So yes, I can be the leader of this team,
and yes that's one dot. Another dot is I am
focused when I'm in there, But when I'm not in there,
then I don't have to act that part anymore because
guess what, there are more things to focus on. Let
me get comfortable, Let me keep my game routine, let
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me keep my meal diet plan going as long as
I can before the regular season comes and everything has
to shift, has to shift. It doesn't have to shift
in the preseason. This is more of a luxury for me,
Lebron James, than me acting like I gotta be blinded
by the code of basketball conduct.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You get what I'm saying here.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Lebron's in a routine, whatever his off season routine is,
that is now starting to merge with the preseason routine.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
That's gonna have to merge one more.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Lane into the regular season routine, which merges is another
lane when it comes postseason. You don't do the same
things in all of those different seasons. However, there is
a healthy respect you pay to the game, and that's
through your effort when you cross those lines. Once you
get off that bench and you cross those lines respect
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when you on the sideline, that's a different respect. I
remember Kobe Bryant used to talk about that. Remember Kobe
Bryant used to be like these dudes laughing at the
side of the bench or they laying down on the
side of the bench. Remember he called his teammates out.
But then you saw Kobe before he retired, was the
same Kobe signing autographs and taking pictures or you know,
signing shoes even during games when he was injured or whatever.
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So what is a respect for the game. That's what
we're gonna talk about right here. Well, Lebron was doing
was flexing, and every athlete I've ever met wanted that
end game flex.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's the end game flex?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, it starts like in high school because when you're
in Pop Warner or Little League, it's too young.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You're too young to be doing this. But when you
get to high school.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I guess because the girls are starting to take notice
of you, and you're starting to feel status and social status.
There's an end game flex that we all wanted. Let
me tell you. The first time I saw it happened
to me, which made me want to do it too.
We were playing Sarah High School. Sarah High School out
there in Guardina to me is Compton. But go ahead, Guardina,
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if you make it right off the freeway, I get it,
it's Guardiana. So Sarah High School beast beast. They had
these twin linebackers. I forget their names. I probably didn't
even know their names. I just knew of them. They
were silly. I don't even know where they went to
college anything. I should have kept up, but boy, they
were tilting on us. We played Sarah my senior year.
I told y'all my senior year we were sorry, hello,
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sorry all in ten on the football field, we were.
But our record ended up being one and nine because
one team cheated against us. They had ineligible players. They
had some dummies out there. That's why I say that,
making myself feel good. That's dummies out there beating us up.
All right, So we won and nine basically zh and tenth.
For real, We played Sarah at Sarah with only seventeen players,
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and the best player on our team was going to Columbia.
Let me tell y'all what having us When we got
off that damn freeway.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
My teammates, they wasn't shook. They just wasn't good enough.
And I'm like, we had we on the border Guardena
and Compton. Damn buckle up. And we went out there
and they are dying that they deep and they had
them twins, and the twins had.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Their jerseys tucked under their shoulder pads, stomach out just
not gut, but not six pack. You know that that
that little belly with the six pack on top.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You ever seen that? And they just walking downs that
they had a little band and all that. I was like,
we ain't got enough players to even scrimmage each other
in practice.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Were about to go at it though, let's go man.
You looked up at halftime it was fifty two to zero.
So famm, why the band matters? Because what happens in
the second half? They did what Lebron did. Came out
second half. Guess what the twins.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Had on no shoulder pass.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
They were just sitting there with those same jerseys, chilling,
just hanging out loose on the sidelines, on the bench,
but not sitting on the bench regular you know, like that.
You know how in high school used to sit on
the top of the bitch. They sitting on top of
the bench, their feet on the bench, and they.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Just sitting there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And I'm not lying. I'm on the field. We down
fifty two, donut, they kicked the ball off, I get tackled. Look,
they sitting there.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They're not even playing the second half.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They sitting there with their feed up, jersey's untucked, and
there were cheerleaders behind them talking to them while they
was eating something. I don't know if it was a
hot dog or not, but I would man, maybe some
chili chief FreeDOS. And so I was like God, and
that was the flex and every athlete And usually you
try to find it in the preseason game when you
pro because you can't be doing that in the regular
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season game.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Coach locking, locking, locking, But in the preseason you'd be like, coach,
shut up this preseason food, so you don't count. So anyway,
I saw that, and I was like, I gotta get
that flex. I gotta get that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Flex, But I remind y'all we were zero to ten,
so we were never in any.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Games where we had the lead.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
We were down enough where I should have took off
my equipment, but I was like, nah, I'm trying to
get my skollarie on and try to get my ball on.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So that flex actually occurs.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now, I got it in the pros and the season
to Lebron's statement.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
To Lebron's point of yeah, you want a flex like.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
In it, I'm so good or I'm so like untouchable
that y'all worked for it, y'all go get that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh yeah, I did my dang all right, didn't I
put in my work? You go get him bored? All right?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Good stuff like you like a baby assistant coach, right,
And it's a flex. All Lebron was doing was just flex,
just letting everybody know, reminded them keen things.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
These are keen things.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That I'm out here doing. So final score that Sarah game,
fifty five to six. Yeah, that second half they only
scored a field goal and we scored a touchdown, but
we were so sorry we didn't even convert get the
extra point. So what do y'all think of Lebron James's behavior,
y'all think that's a sign of a lack of respect
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or you're like, no, it's just a flex.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Relax cool, pull your socks down and relax right.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And these food and drink incidents Mark Sanchez one't on
the air with y'all like this when Mark Sanchez did that,
and I'm telling you that was commonplace. Y'all got a
problem with that. A cat just busting out some nachos.
Wi's third quarter.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Are y'all like, dog, chill, bro, you're doing too much,
so let me know.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Beat that up in the comments when y'all see something
and tell me, y'all flex y'all ever get a flex off?
Oh it's so good when you just everybody working and
you just chilling like this. Man, I'm telling you them
twins were sitting there like this. Some girl Keisha and
Tanya was right here and they were.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Just like I was like, I'm still out there getting
whooped up on salute for the flex. Go God, God,
they setting you up. And if you have subs, you
heard this. I heard. I'm like, beg whether the baby
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cartoon too? After marriage, the honey moon moved, I was like,
Olive oil goggle.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
With a spoon spoomh Greg Nice smoothie. Oh ran into
Greg Nice one time and the party fan manned him
to death like he was like walking.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I was like, Greg Nice, your life's like a fairy
ta Yale.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Orca was a great big way Yale A fan man
in the hell out of that, dude. Dang't they were huge,
nice and smooth for that late eighties. They were banging
man respect to the grapes in that song right there,
y'all remember that one. All right, y'all, y'all know this
show was about to you by probably transition, probably transition.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Dot or go there. Leave the donation, support the community,
support the kids, and I will take care of.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You, all right, t Yo, whoa he gonna need some support.
Thank God, he's okay. I talked to him. He's fine.
And he got his knee messed up a little bit
soreing on that, but he's fine. When you hear somebody
got hit by a car, immediately I start going back
to the days where I was.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I've seen that go really foul. Right, what was my
guy's name? I think he passed away right running back Nebraska?
Who end up? Didn't he run?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Into somebody with a car before and it went bad.
Something like that. Beat it up in the comments.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
All right, let's talk about this one, because I do
know this story with to involved in an accident, and
it happened this week and the authorities are investigating it
as a deliberate act. Like that means you behind the wheel, sir.
You see that's Terrell Owens, Sir, Terrell Owens. If you
talked to him, Terrell and then also boom and.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Kept pushing, all right, so we know he got hurt.
I talked to him. He said his knees jacked up
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Other than that, what happened now, First of all, this
started off in Calabasas at a basketball game where he
had an argument with another dude.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
This is the report, right, So I'm reading this report.
I'm like, interesting, seems like there's a little bit more
to this story. All right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
The guy's been arrested assault with a deadly weapon. That's
what he's gonna be charged with, I should say, not arrested,
charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Yeah, because cars
didn't kill you. All right, let's talk about what happened.
Once I read that, I was like you got hit
by a dude with a car and it's assault with
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a daily weapon, and why were you in front of
the car and why was the guy behind the wheel
trying to run you over? So they on the basketball
court and on the basketball court, you know how it
goes like we've seen them all the time somehow, some way,
especially when it's competition, dudes just get riled up and
forget that it's competition in fun, right, and it gets
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serious out there.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So TiO gets fouled.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Once he gets fouled, he lands into another guy kind
of hard because he got fouled, hard checks on the guy.
The guys like not having it, and you ever seen that?
And this is this is why this is a real
interesting story because I've seen this before and I'm not
sure if everyone sees this unless you are someone of celebrity,
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someone of fame, someone of recognition. Okay, but we'll talk
through it, y'all beat it up in the comments. So anyway,
guy wasn't having it, like dogs start bumping his gums reportedly,
and then too too.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Would never start something with a guy.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
In terms of personality, I've never tells a quieter type
one of the more meek kind of guys. He look,
he is a star. Now, don't get it tripped, don't
get it twist. You're gonna have the glasses on and
he's gonna be like this. You're gonna be like, oh,
that's a superstar right there. But he ain't the one
to be starting stuff like going out there.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What he did on.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Teams before and all that, that's just conversations through media,
et cetera. Right, But from all my experiences with him,
I've never seen him start stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But he gonna finish it. He ready, He is ready.
He just sayin't gonna start. He ain't gonna shoot first.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
So anyway, they start going back and forth at it,
and then the game ends. The guy leaves before the
game ends, goes outside, took off his shirt, said I'll
see you outside waiting for you outside.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Oh, there's no worse feeling than the anticipation of some pain.
Pain itself is fine for me. You just come up
to me bomb, okay. But if you come up to
me and be like, I'll be outside waiting on your hommy,
we good.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh this in my head, I was like this, mama,
because I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
First thing, I'm thinking is he got gunplay, And I'm like,
I Am not going outside to get shot. But then
I'm like, I am not staying in this gym for
the rest of my life. Then you know this, See
it's reflex calling up my cousins and my hey a calabassas, yeah, Calabasas, yeh.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
All right, but I ain't doing all that. So I'm like,
I ain't trying to get them in trouble. I ain't
trying to have them save me, bail me out. I
ain't trying to fight with the dude. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We just I got found full and I fell on you,
sorry or landing on you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sorry, But you can't even say sorry in these moments
because he already woofed, so sorry he ain't even gonna work.
Soft Assen's muffu piles out and the shit I dunk
on that muffle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So it's like, ain't no punks here, but I ain't
no fools either. I ain't trying to get killed. So
you go outside. So finally to go outside, and the
dude is waiting, thankfully unarmed but with two arms ready
to what's up? What I was like, if I t
I'm like time out, not TiO time out. That was
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doing time out. Hey, we ain't about to fight dog,
like shut choke set choke something dog. But nah, you
know that testoster in that competition, Oh that's Jenny juice.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
That's a hell of a mix.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's going down and altercation out there too leaves.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Dude follows t O.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
T O pulls into a place where it's well lit,
and then they get out the car. This is what
I'm gathering. You know, I've beenhit in the head a
few times and I'm like what I'm like? This is
on Netflix, Like tell you're talking about Yo. This all
happened after a basketball game.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Dude, dude tries to run over to YO because he
tried to leave and then turn around and try to
come back. This way, I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Gonna let Teo feel in the details, Like I really
want him to tell y'all this explicitly, because the way
he tells it is insane.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
So he's gonna have his chance to say this. I
don't want to kill it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't want to throw it all out there, but
I got to give y'all the overview. And that's what happened,
and the dude ran them over and then kept it going.
And the report says he hasn't been arrested yet. But
I told Tyo, hey man, you know me, I believe
in snitching.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I believe in I believe in the full extent of
the law.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You do something to me, Oh, I'm telling and I'm
getting you in trouble as much as possible. So you
leave me alone and it's a determent for someone else.
Now here's the problem. Her dude got history, so this
may be a real bad situation for old do not
sure about it yet, So why am I bringing this
up other than damn, t O, did you dunk on them?
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What kind of banging was you doing during that game?
How many points did you have before this? But it's
really a dynamic. This is what I want to talk through.
People always walk around and give you compliments like you're
so down to earth, or oh you're so cool. Oh wow,
you're way nicer than I thought you would be. You
say that to the stars, to a t o the
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people you meet. I even hear it right when you're
just being normal, people like oh my god, I can't
believe so that you know where already they're trained or
where they're coming from where they're conditioned. Now, there always
has to be interactions between celebrity and fans are just
normal people, myself included. We have to both sides. I'm
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a fan. I ran up on Greg Knights, like you
know what I mean, I get it. That's why I
believe in the coexistence. That's why the foundation probably transition
because you can't just build up this wall of Oh
my kids go to private schools and they go to
the best schools, and they got tutors and specialized trainers
and they're gonna be perfect. They got to coexist. I
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don't give it, damn what you did for your kids.
They're gonna have to go out into that world to
meet other people. So coexistence is so important. What happens
when someone who is a normal person without celebrity comes
in counter with a celebrity When there's an issue, there's
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always this dynamic. Oh, I know, they got more to
the so when they got more to lose, you press
even more on them.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
At them.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
See it happened so many times a regular dude, nine
dudes out there balling. They just regular dudes balling. But
t O's there. So when there's an altercation when there's
an issue where they're friction all sudden, Oh to got
more to lose.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
So dude, be like, what's up? And what do people
tell too? In that moment?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The first thing they gonna say, Hey, doll, chill, chill.
All he gonna do is try and sue you, bro.
All this gonna do is make news all this everybody
start reading all your receipts of all the things you've
got to lose. Dude got something to lose too, We
just may not know it. But oh that's his advantage.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Nobody telling him, calming him down, nobody trying to call
his dogs off, but all mine got to back up.
I hate that dynamic.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Because it's used against you all of a sudd Now
you become a prisoner of your own success.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I like the reminders they're coming from a good place, but.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I wish y'a would remind him too, Hey he I
value in this world too, and he need to chill
out too. Maybe he ain't gonna get all splattered across TMZ.
But is that the only reason you ain't gonna fight
is because a TMZ?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Are you gonna fight?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
TMZ is not the issue here? Is it? Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So that notoriety is used against you, and next thing,
you know, guys flex harder on you because they know
that chances are you ain't gonna return fire because they
hear them dudes too, They hear the chatter Chill, chill,
don't do that, don't ya.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
You're gonna get true. That the job of the entourage,
I guess right. So these dudes getting charged up and
they waiting, they lurk. This is the thing I've seen.
They lurk quietly to pounce on.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You and use your status against you. Happens to me
when I coach, when there's a call in my favor, Oh,
you just did that, because it's because he's Marcel Swiley.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was the right call, or he got it wrong.
But he ain't doing for me, because you know why,
there are more calls against me than there are for me.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
MJ gets flag garden almost every damn game, and I
swear I watch every video.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't see no flag garden, but I don't complain.
Complaining is contagious.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But they sit there, the mother coaches when things start
going well for me, Oh, it's because he used to
play in the NFL. But look, his assistant coach is
Reggie Bush. Of course they're gonna win. What happens when
we lose. They still got me as a coach and
Reggie Bush as a coach. You ain't saying it did.
We're the same coaches. We lose too.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
We lost two games in a row this year. Oh
Marshaller's and Reggie Bush.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
They be using your your success against you. So this
dynamic is real interesting because I've seen it so often.
And look, I'm not a basketball player. I'm not a hooper,
and if I were, I'd be like pick a ball.
It ain't that contentious. But the point is, when something
goes it's amazing to see how people, especially dudes like this,
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have that inner jealousy or don't know how to deal
with the fact that, Okay, you do something well. But
that ain't the problem. This is the problem they use
all they using to when he played Hall of Fame
football player against him in Calabasas playing pickup basketball, his
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cat's be envious and I'm out there coaching little eight
year olds and then they throw it in my face
and then what can I do? Oh that would make
their day? To get into a fight with marcellis Whyley.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
And I'm like, what kind of dude are you? It
would not make my day to get into a fight
with any if I saw le Bron James and fought them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Wouldn't feel good about fighting Lebron James. What were fighting about?
It's so silly. So when I heard THEO story, I
was like, man, this is deep. And I also saw
the life lesson in that, and I just want to
level it out.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
One.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I want celebs, the ones that do act cocky. It's
not all of them. Stop acting like that dog.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
We all on this same planet spinning and granted and
trying to be winning, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And y'all who ain't celebri or whatever, stop thinking all
these dudes crazy. It's just be nice, be respectful, like
you don't come in hot, don't come in like I
did to Greg nice.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It'll be all good.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
But boy, whatever's going on that jealousy and that oh
he got more to lose, So I'm gonna press him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm gonna test him because he got more to lose.
Be careful.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Some guy's got a lot to win too, and to
is a winner. So look out for that man and
see the details of this story. I left out some
key parts on purpose because it's t O's story to tell.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Hopefully he does.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
That, and but he gave me permission to talk about
it because he knows I'm gonna do it the right way.
So y'all know that was a deliberate act. And in
this situation, have y'all ever been there before?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
On either side?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
The guy who like you know you went too far,
be real, beat it up in the comments. Let me
know you flexed on somebody because you had some inner turmoil,
little jealousy, or you just didn't like that food, as
simple as that. And how can these situations be better diffused?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Because ain't no way.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm telling y'all right now, I am not having someone
in a gang found me or I found them. That
turns into us talking about it all gang till we
get technicals, till we get kicked out to be outside
in the parking lot to you following me somewhere else
that is not happening.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Call me a punk. Yes, what's my last name in
my first name? Pump? Yeah, I'm a Pump's what's my
last name? I'm getting home to these ieddy biddies.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hell no, it's too many foods out there, so y'all
tell me what y'all think about the whole situation. Beat
up in the comics, this is a highlight. This is
one of my favorites. Why do I always do that
curve like it ain't nothing here? And I always like
hit it like a curve hitting countless in the sixth trait,
Oh man, this is one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Y'all ready for this. Dang dang darn darn darn darn
darn darn n dung dung dong dung y'all remember that
dug dung dun dong dung dng darnurnrn dung dang dong
du An. It funny when you do stuff like that
and your friends be looking at you like dog, it
doesn't sound like that to me, like it sounds to
you in your head. You be like, yo, I'm naeling this,
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and they be like, what are you doing? So crazy? Right?
Mamelon rona kicking flavor?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
The are possibly said, yo, Latifa, we can do this,
So I Paula hit up calls and then I'm gonna
dog canna see already news this cause I'm in full effects.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Oh oh yes, PSI come man, oh way, Rather all that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Song where the raff of my madness is. Oh, that
was amazing song. Project Transition dot org, Project Transition dot org.
You put that song, all right, now, I got two
sacks for you, coach in the first quarter if you
put on that song, that song go hard. All right,
Let's get into these negative nicknames and name calling, as
I say, adjectives about athletes.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
There was a story out recently kind of summing up
what's going on in sports media of late. It was
headlined by Hugh Douglas. Respect to Hugh Douglas and his strength. Man,
you know, he just lost his son recently, and that's
the homie right there, and he says he's done calling
NFL players quote unquote garbage.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
All right.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Now, that comes on the heels of Steve Smith when
he gained a lot of attention. You guys saw it
with his strong on air criticism at Jerry Judy. We
all remember that one right, called them an average wide receiver,
mentally unable to handle constructive criticism. Kept it respectful, but
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kept it strong as well. Right, So Hugh Douglass comes
on the heels of that and he's like, look, I'm
gonna talk about my approach to player criticism and avoid
overly personal attacks. Due to the fact that he played
in the NFL. I've always thought this was an issue
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between investment and experience with that sport, that game. If
you played it, you've been a part of it. Ninety
nine percent of the time, you're gonna respect it to
the point where you're not gonna call cats out of
their name because you respect how hard it is just
to do it. But there is one percent, and those
are the ones that are chasing the.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Dollars the bag.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And I'm gonna be real in sports media, if you
I want the bag, you're gonna have to cross that line.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
If you want the bag now you can get pay paid.
I got pay paid. But the bag double digit ten
plus million cats, those cats way up there, the eight
ten million whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Ooh, they crossed that line.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Okay, And I see some guys former players that at
times double dutch or they crossed that line because they
want that back.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
All right, So let's talk through this, all right. So
he said you, Douglas was like, look, we talking about
Zach Wilson. Let's use him as an example. Here's a
quote by him.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
The Jets are guilty by association when it comes to
Zack Wilson, Now, what was it. A couple of weeks ago,
he had one of the best QBR ratings that he's
ever had. He was talking about the fact that people
will call Jack Wilson garbage.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
One of the actual announcers.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Joe Giglio Digitalo, sorry if I messed up your name,
he said, he's terrible, and then you Ugglas is like responding, like,
dog dude just had an amazing game a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Terrible, Terrible doesn't have amazing games. You can see the
Tug Award that they have right here. Here's the last
quote before we really get into this.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
He says, I didn't want to say that he's terrible
because the one thing that I'm trying not to do
because I see a lot of my contemporaries doing that. Now,
I'm trying not to use those words like garbage and
like certain things like that, because it does take a
lot to get to this level of play, at this level, right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So let's be real about this topic. This topic is
about how do you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Portray, how do you actually explain communicate properly someone who
is playing bad? Like playing bad, you can't just say
that because one that ain't gonna move the needle. Oh,
he's playing bad? How is he playing back? Why is
he playing bad? Sum up his performance? And that's when
you start to see guys cross that line. You see
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a lot of guys hub even Hugh Douglas said, a
lot of contemporaries, and then you see some guys cross
the line.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, it's crazy how this world works.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Synchronicity. I believe big time in synchronicity. So yesterday morning,
I get a text from my boy Francis Powers shout
out to Franny Pu he went to Columbia with me
as well, La Cat, what's up?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
And he sent me a clip.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And this clip is a decade plus old of Skip Bayless,
Rob Parker, Jay Crawford and yours truly talking about this
same subject.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
So I won't hold y'all ahead longer.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I'm gonna let y'all hear me years ago, a decade
plus ago, and Skip Bayless on this topic. Let's go
tell Skip and our audience at home your problem with
using nicknames for pro athletes. Yeah, I mean, if I
had a DeLorean, I would use it to go back
to the future with just one day to.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Be here with you and Jalen.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Just to really talk about when you talk about athletes
outside their names, I think that's out of bounds when
you think about it, in the sense of you're not
talking about the act, the excess and o's of that
guy's production. You're talking about the actor. And that's a problem,
I think because in sports. To play sports, I played
ten years in NFL, you have to have a discipline
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to even make it to that level or to excel
within the NFL. And now I've made the transition. I've
been with ESPN going on five years, and I've been
desensitized a little to it in the sense of all
the color analysts and all the things we say about
athletes in the sense of, Okay, to make a story.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That much more believable, or to make.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
A story that much more exciting, I have to take
another step. But I think we're out of bounds to
the point now that I'm looking at it and realizing,
where's the discipline in journalism? The same discipline as we
make a translation of the game that we're all covering,
I think we should use some of those elements in
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how we actually cover that same game.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
What is out of bounds to someone.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
We were talking about it off air, and I think
right now, the best analogy for me is there's a
speed limit and we're one mile per hour over the
speed limit and sometimes even.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Further and maybe when you're one mile over.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
The speed limit, no one can notice it, but you're
still breaking the rules. And right now, I think when
you guys up here, because I never do it, I
don't try and get into the name calling. I know
it's fun, I know it's easy. I know it's a
slippery slope. But at the same time, when it gets
to the point where now the x's and those turns
into the eyes and use that's someone I have a problem.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, I there's a big difference between using nicknames in
name calling. I never name call. I've never insulted anyone
personally about their appear. Are there background or taking some
personal cheap shot at people? The nicknames are scathingly accurate
depictions of their performance. They say a million words with
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one word, that's what's happening according.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
To who those kids. Well, I'm just telling I'm the
regulator of that. It's a subjective experience.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
It's a subjective experience, and that's the difference between being
a translator of the game, which I thought we were
supposed to be, versus being one who portrays the game,
who adds drama to it, and then all of a
sudden the depiction gets exaggerated.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay, wait a second, Bosh Spice is an accurate portrayal
of how he played or didn't play last year. He
played small, he shrank under the new glare of the
spotlight in Miami. Team obliterator terall Owens was an accurate
depiction of how he wrecked not one or two, but
three teams. He was team obliterator, me, myself and Iverson.
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That's how he played. It was all about Allan wherever
he was. Kyle, I should have been a bowler. Now
that's a tough one. That's a tough shot, but it's
the truth, because he was way overrated as a top
tick in the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
But isn't that name calling? Yeah? No, I mean it
seems like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Damn I sound the same in terms of what I'm
talking about. Man, I should have reminded myself a long
time ago that I'm meet Okay, I've never been a
fan of color commentary going that far for entertainment purposes.
I've never been a fan of it doesn't mean I'm right.
I'm just telling you I've never been a fan of it.
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But I knew not being a fan of that was
not going to help me have any of the wind
in my sales.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It was gonna actually be a.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Headwind because I saw it clearly in the culture, saw
it clearly how they were rewarding the cast that did that.
Remember at that time, first take, I'm going on that show,
and Skip Bayley this is the man, and Skip Bayless
had all those nicknames for all those cats, and if
you listen to him at the end, started to wiggle
a little bit, right, He started to wiggle, because let's
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be real. If you're gonna be real enough to call
somebody a nickname and stand on it, then also be
real enough to say them nicknames out of bounds.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But I like going out of bounds. You know.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Sorry, that ain't how the game supposed to be played.
But what does that mean supposed to be played? There
are business models, these are entertainment products. These are entertainment platforms.
And if you're gonna go there, my only thing is
they go there and then they act like they ain't
going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Like, oh, you called the dude, sorry, and you got
them out of his name.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You got Russell Westbrook being known more as west Brick
rather than mister triple Double. He easy could have been
known as mister triple double, endorsements, all this stuff, but
you got him known as west Brick and he's a
future Hall of Famer. But two hundred million dollar contracts
and that's a brick.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Damn. What do you get if you make shots? You
know what I'm saying, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So I'm seeing it clearly because me, I always try
to look at things from the other side of the
table before I look at it from my perspective. Why
I ain't know what I'm thinking? All right, No, alright,
know me? But what y'all doing over there? And I
remember looking around and there are some habitual linesteppers out there,
but all the top dogs do that. All the top
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dogs are colorful like that, right, skip Stephen A Colin,
Jim Rome. And then there's like a Dan Patrick and
Pat mcafeel who's like up there in terms of top dogs.
But they don't do that. And y'all correct me if
I'm wrong. I just don't see them doing that. There
was a time where Steve and they was saying the N.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Word on ESPN. Have y'all seen them clips.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
There's a time where all these guys got nicknames and
you just, oh, I don't want to hear it. And
I was like, I mean, it's literally like your face,
like me growing up that side of the street.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
They cripping over there, they blood. You know, I lived in.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
A crip neighborhood, but I got I practice in the
blood neighborhood. Track practice Dorsey right there in the jungles.
Oh yeah, we got problems, Okay, Then okay, my cousins
want to come, my uncles want to come, like okay,
Then we got games in Inglewood. So it's like all
this choice, Like I've always lived a life, it seemed like,
with these binary choices, and I've never choose like I'm
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gonna do me and that always comes at a cost.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
At a price.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
You'll imagine knowing that you have the capabilities to do
something but you won't do it, and then seeing those
who do it get rewarded more than you.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It can make you mad. Didn't make me mad, know what.
It made me realize.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
There gotta be a different way. I didn't get mad
at Cripson bloods.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I was just like, it gotta be a different way.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I don't get mad at you doing something and it's
working for you or it's not working for you, because
I'm in my lane, and my lane was ten years
plus ago saying it that way and still to this
day saying it this way. However, I also knew that
means you see that mountain top up there, this game
ain't for you. It's almost like being a football player,
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but you don't like contact. Dion and Dion like Dion
had a narrative. He didn't, but I've seen too many
players Dion sticking it in there.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
He won't to like that, but he's smart. But football
gonna be tough. If you play and you don't want
to get hit, don't go with narratives. I'm talking about
for real. You know, basketball gonna be tough if you
don't like to hustle, you know what I mean. It's
gonna be tough, you know, and sports media is tough
if you don't want to go there on somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
It's like this incentive and nobody tells you to do it.
Jay Crawford is a great example that dude was nicer
than nice. Skip Bennis is really nice in real life too,
but on air he got that persona. But in real
life he's super cool. But Jay was super cool on
air too, and he had a great career. But you
can't be that top dog and he was a moderator,
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different role, but you can't be that top dog less
you go there. And that's what got Rob Parker in trouble. Remember,
even though that was kind of weak the whole, like
what do you call RG three cornbread brother, he must
have had other strikes because I was like, that's it,
but I remember that was a firestorm. But that was
also him trying to go there because Rob Parker was
part of the rotation. See what I'm saying, everybody, you
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see everybody do it. You see everybody just get their shot.
Ryan Clark when he went a tour, everybody get they
shot off to just see because they know that's where
the bag at. And then if they don't, oh damn it,
or theyd be like ah, that ain't feel good, or
you know, somebody check them, like two of them, like
hey dog, respect, it's a real game out there. Just
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want you guys to see behind the curtain, what's really
going on when you see these shows, you see these cats,
and you see they doing it, just know that ching
ching is at the end of doing that, because that's
the economic model, that's the platform, that's what's being supported
and rewarded. So I'm not a fan of it. I'm
in a different scope. And there are a lot of
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guys like me. You Douglas sounds like another one, And
there are a lot of guys not like me. And
I'm not judging them, not mad at them. You go
ahead and crip, you go ahead and blood, I'll go
ahead and do it this way. So y'all tell me
in the comments. How should sports analysts and media personalities balance.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It's a balance, right, you can't Hey, he's not performing
that well what do you think? Really?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
What did you just say? Like, you can't go up
there doing that. But it's a balance. But also you
can't go frist mother. I swear if I ever see
him throw another he's a sorry. He can't play for
he never gonna be great. I mean, how many snaps
have you ever had?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
You know what I mean? Like you'd be like that.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's a balancing act though, so honest criticism with the
responsibility of not being two personal or that crazy explicit language. Right,
how do you do that? Tell me how y'all think
it should go? And what impact do strong criticisms, even
Steve Smith Senior and Jerry Judy, etc. What do you
think that has in terms of impact on the athlete,
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in terms of the perception of the athlete, how the
athlete takes it and public perception as well, you as
the fan, what do you think of there? And for real,
are y'all okay with a harsh ass texts like you
can't have a great player without having.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
A bum sorry, garbage, trash, whatever. And I don't even
have an issue with the words as much as what
you mean by the words.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
It's it's like we're because it's really I'm not a
sensitive god, but like dog, don't call somebody out. I
think it's more like it's mislabeled for me. The words
apply to some cats, but usually those cats. We don't
talk about the sorriest players in sports.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We don't talk.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
About why because they not even good enough to play,
And if they are good enough to play, they ain't
that sorry. But even if they go out there and
mess up. Come on like the Dak Prescott. He's my
last example. As much as y'all want to say about Dak,
I could write two turn papers on Dak. One that
puts him in great company as one of the best
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quarterbacks up to his year in the NFL in NFL history,
win percentage and things like that.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Right, I could put Dak in a good conversation.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Then I could put Dak in a bad conversation the
fact that he hasn't won enough in the playoffs and
he hasn't got his team over the hump.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
But that's the beauty.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Every single player in the NFL always got a scout
and record two sided. This side pros, this side cons
this side strengths, this side weaknesses. So I'm not mad,
but there is a balance in act, and it just
seems like sometimes all they want to read are the
weaknesses for some and then for others that they like strengths.
So tell me how to beat that up. In the
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There is there room for harsh takes, y'all, like harsh
takes on athletes. Hey, the cost of praise is criticism,
So tell me what y'all think about that.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Taking my time, taking my time, taking my time. Can
I do it? Can I do it? Can I do it?
Dam what's up? Damn? I'm dark? I getting the light.
Oh love to you guys. Why Wi'sday? Whyley Wi'sday? Whyley? Whi'sday? Dogs?
(50:33):
And how hard it's time to gamble? Damn it.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I ain't never been this happy. I need to gamble more.
I am geeked up.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
It is time for Wiley Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
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Speaker 2 (51:05):
Okay, now, the game is this.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I'm gonna keep it simple at first and see how
y'all are, because one thing I learned is there's a
wisdom of the crowd.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
None of us is as smart as all of us.
And I think I'm really smart in football. Experience tells
me I probably am, but I don't know y'all I
don't know what y'all up to out there, but I'm
still up for the challenge.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And here's the challenge.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Once you go to waliwins dot com and you go
through this week of games NFL Week seven for games,
I'm picking the money lines. I am picking who's gonna
win these games, straight up, homie, like we did it
in the league on the field.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Straight up, homie, straight up. We are going to compete. Now.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
If you pick more winners than me, I'm gonna look
you up with a brick dog. Remember this. We was
there when they were like this got them bricks. Oh,
y'all love with some stacks. I'm gonna give you a book.
I'll give you a book and I throw one of
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these in there.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
That's me. Oh, I'm sorry, this is me. Look at
that guy. I love that guy. Look at that guy.
That guy. All right, you're ready to compete. I'm stalling.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'm only stalling getting choked up because I'm scared because
I've had some experiences with gambling before that.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Uh, that just got me to a great place. Let's
just say that.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Shout out to Panama, Shout out to Vegas, Shout out
to uh Barbae. Let me stop shout out to WILEI
wins dot com. All right, first game, we're gonna pick.
We're gonna go through this. I ain't gonna take forever.
I when they be giving you that little blurb and stuff,
shut up, man. You you made me wait through all that.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
You picked all them teams, and you were wrong, and
you gave me a blurb. That blurb didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
All right, So we're gonna go first, Jacksonville versus New Orleans.
That's tomorrow's game, Thursday night football taking Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Who y'all got? Okay? Then next game Atlanta, Tampa Bay
got Atlanta? What say something?
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Next Raiders, Bears got the Raiders. Don't ask me why,
just I know winners. Cleveland, Indy.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I got Cleveland. Boom boom boom bo, Detroit Baltimore. I'm
going with the look.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I ain't picking all the favorite season. Buffalo Patriots. I
think we all in agreement. Buffalo Commanders, Giants, g men,
you ain't think that. Cardinals, Seahawks. Oh they both birds, Seahawks,
the bird that's wet, the rainy bird.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
All right, Steelers, Rams damn go Rams.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yes, I got the Rams. Chargers, Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Let me just do that. Let me play it all
through the National anth and the whole after trues. Damn it.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
We're gonna lose to the chief We just lost to
the Cowboys. Were donnea gave away three games. We gave
away the Dolphins game. We gave away the Cowboys game.
We gonna we're gonna lose its Chiefs, probably Packers, Broncos.
Get it to me, baby, give it to me, baby.
I got those Packers, Dolphins, Eagles. Oh, that gonna be
a good game, boy, Google game that Sunday night football.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
Golly, I'm gonna have to have me a little.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Little get together, a little pick aball social for that
Dolphins Eagles. I got the Dolphins and last one forty
nine Ers, Vikings, ah, forty Niners. Place your bets wileiwins
dot com. See if you beat me, get more right
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then me.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
If you do, you get who you get this, you
get that, good luck to you. Guarantee you you won't
beat me.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Why, I'm just cocky like that, And cocky is something
that I just can't help. All right, y'all. Now, let's
fuck up some comments. Let's fuck up some comments. Yeah,
I'm gonna leave that up back there because looks nice,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
All right, let's start off with Pat mcafeel. I don't
think Patt is changing what others always wanted to say.
It is instead showing bosses that allowing others to say
what they always wanted to say could be beneficial. That
was a great point, like it's opening up the minds
of the bosses, and the talent's been sitting there all
along saying, y'all ain't gonna like this or reward this,
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so I ain't gonna go there.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
What we were talking about before with name calling.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
But now since y'all, oh, y'all paying y'all given eighty
five million for somebody wearing a tank top sit and
saying that boss, let go Greenberg too, let it go.
It looks fake now because we are not used to it.
Not because these folks are being themselves, but I'm sure
some will not be themselves because of corporate or internal
pressure is going forward. Yep, you know what it is,
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riding dirty Marcellus. Everything is in constant random motion. Some
people get caught, some don't. It's that simple. Also, bad
energy breeds bad energy. He was speeding and wow, what
a surprise. He got a bigger charge. How is your driving?
You throwing bad energy out there? One thing about me, man,
I'm glad you said that. You're gonna make me cry
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a little bit. I don't throw bad energy out there.
I really don't. And if somebody says I do, I'm sorry.
Big enough man say I'm sorry. I never try to
throw bad jury. I will respond, do not trip. I'm
like to, I ain't starting none. I will finish everything
you flex I got next. One thing about me, This
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is why I didn't gang bang. Growing up, people are
always like, how you really navigating in theom simple? I
am an all in type of dude, and I know
if I were all in on a gang, I would
have been all in.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
I'm not scared like that.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Like even if I were twisted enough to be in
a gang, hurt enough to be in a gang, I
would have did whatever need was necessary, whatever whatever. That's
why I enjoyed it, because I knew I was crazy.
All right, damnsel you got me over here feeling like
a deadbeat daddy. I ain't mean it like that, but
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I'm getting tired of parents acting like, oh, we're good,
your kids ain't good.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
If y'all ain't together, start there.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
Your kids are hurting, now, address their pain and stop
thinking you're stop thinking you're the victim, and look at
them as the victim they are they really are. I
don't care if nobody else tells you I did. Kids
over there suffering.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
You know, my kids can't go to the bath, They
can't take a bath.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Their baths take up like thirty minutes to an hour
without nineteen different catastrophes and issues happening. Water everywhere, toys everywhere, Uh,
playing with the razor that my wife had, Like just
what that.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Shampoo? All the windows and you ain't there? Oh?
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Everything the same, everything, good everything, man, Stop Marcel's Wiley
giving some real family therapy, educational and enlightening.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Thank you for real. Look, I'm talking from my pain.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
I ain't talking like out of out of the side
of my book, out of the side of my mouth,
like I'm talking straight at you because I straight felt
this before my oldest You know how many moments I
missed with her.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
For real? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (58:39):
And you don't get them back, don't we don't we
realize that the older we get It's all about just
these connections in these moments.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
It's that's it. It's like it's like life is just
like memories, and you need enough money to have memories.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
That's like eminem's as Shannon Sharp told me on the
football field when he was he was blocking me in
different he was like, boy, you need to stop tripping.
It's all about what's that money and memories?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I was like, oh, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
I think Pat McAfee is going to be the Golden
State Warriors of ESPN. Meani just how most teams in
the NBA are trying to play like Golden State. Most
of them can't do it. Ah, The teams that stick
to what they do well and their identity will have success. Nuggets, Lakers,
heat Bucks, and of course the Warriors. Marcus p Sixteen
to twenty.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
I like that. Oh that's dope. Yeah, you're right. You go. Look,
you're gonna create grimlins wherever you go.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
If you have success, success but gets success, right, you're
gonna create any bitty.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Grimlins just the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
All right, y'all, y'all know all we finish every show,
we finish it with a wily ism.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, brought to you by bet us.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Let's go all right, don't cheat on someone you don't
want to lose with someone you don't want to keep.
That's what I was trying to say yesterday, and I
found it.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Man, have you cheated before I know? I have? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
No, Man, shoot, I grew up seeing cheating, so I
was like, man, oh that's cheating. When I did it,
I was like, oh, I was raised that way. I
was trained that way. Everybody I saw it was just
getting it in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
YO. Know, it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
My mama had me at nineteen, my dad. My MoMA
had me at nineteen, my sister at seventeen. And so
when I was eight years old, I remember like playing
Pop Warner and I missed my birthday. My mama had
a surprise birthday for me one time at Inglewood at
Darby Park, but I missed it because somehow I got
sick or something. I wanted to come home and my daddy,
(01:00:40):
and back then we didn't have cell phone, so my
daddy brought me home. Mama didn't communicate with daddy and
he like, what, I ain't know you was going you
surprising me too. I didn't know, but I remember I
was eight my mama because it wasn't even her birthday yet.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Or maybe she was twenty seven, twenty six. Me looking
at that now, I'm like, I was an eight year
old with a mind in life, and I was judgmentdle
of my mama, my mother, she was twenty six, twenty
seven yeah uh Lee.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
And then you look back at your childhood and some
of those decisions, like I don't know if you had
young parents, but I did. I was like, got dang,
y'all tripping, Mama drinking, i'm'a be quiet. I'm trying to read,
Mama loud. I'm like, I'm trying to read. I'm reading
Mama loud, Mamma getting a drink. Daddy just doing bills
and crankling newspapers and not paying attention, and the TV
(01:01:41):
owned and Eddie Murphy delirious. I'm like, we ain't got
no library, no study, no office. Everything said, I heard everything.
I'm like, god, dang, but I bring this up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Because they stayed together no matter what they went through.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And I trip out when I see cats get divorced.
You know, I'm at the divorce age now forty eight
or shit. My two best friends divorce and my other
one he ain't and he ain't gonna ever get divorced,
and me, I ain't getting divorced. My wife might leave me,
but I ain't get divorced. I'm Jada then I'm Jada Pinkett. Baby,
I ain't gonna nowhere, I ain't get divorce. I'll here
(01:02:22):
for the teddy biddies now, all right. So the funniest
thing is I've seen cats get caught up and they
cheat on someone they don't want to lose, end up
being hitting in them streets.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
With something they don't want to keep. Ye ain't it funny? Instagram?
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
You like godly, that curly sit, I don't know what
it's called, curly hairs, all of them and curly. Each
time me say curly, I'm like, I'll be like, oh,
don't do it to me with Zuckerberg, my finger, me moving.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Slom like the sucker fern. Don't do it. He know
it too. My wife no, baby, yeah, Leeve, Like, but
are you serious? Like for real?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Like that's that's that's booble, that's that's future, that's wife.
He no, So don't get caught up, like keep keep
the singer moving food because that ain't what I want
to keep. And my wife is not what I want
to lose. So that's the only thing. Ain't no other reason,
trust me. She fine, it ain't none, no, no, But don't
cheat on someone you don't want to lose, with someone
(01:03:24):
you don't want to keep.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It's crazy. Remind yourself, remind others.
Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
It's okay to look at it like god, dang, Okay, okay,
I'm good. My daddy was the king of Look at
my daddy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
He trained me. I was like, Daddy, we're going tomorrow.
He'd be like, yeah, that's really good. Yeah, I like
that jersey how much?
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Say oh, that's too much, boy, Daddy the jersey over here,
that's sucking.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Daddy was my daddy head. He was young. It was
thirty three, my daddy thirty three. Well I'm eight or something.
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So make sure I remind everybody out there. Don't treat
on someone you don't want to lose, with someone you
don't want to keep.
Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's dope right there. All right, y'all. That'll do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
For more to it, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Want to keep the conversation, go on, let's talk.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
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