Ep 186: Wilbon talking bad! Bill Simmons thinks podcast future is bright! Micah Parsons vs. Cowboys Haters!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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(01:07):
we gonna see this week. Go to Waliewins dot com
and let's have some fun. All right, y'all, y'all know
how we start off every show, Well, what's up with that? Dude? Well,
let me tell y'all. Yesterday I had a date one
my daughter, Oriah, my four year old superstar right there.
Oh man, I thought she was gonna be a demon
when she was like two or three. We were like, yo,
she is not mean, she might be evil. She was

(01:31):
just ooh, just walked around straight, gangst the mac everywhere.
She would walked like just debo and everything for real.
And then she just hit a one eighty. She the
sweetest little thing. Well she ain't little. She's gigantic. Accident.
She's our only one that is like a hundred. I
think I saw one hundred or one hundred and one percent,
certainly one hundred percent. She's gigantic. But she's a sweet

(01:53):
little girl. She was sick yesterday, so you know how
it goes, same thing, dummy me, dummy show. She had
a temperature, brought her home from school, a couple of
days ago. She couldn't go back and return yesterday fine,
And as soon as my wife takes off with my
little one, my Olivia, three year old and MJ eight,
she feel a little better. So she soon a tesla

(02:16):
go like this. She like, looking at me, daddy, let's
have a day. So she ended up camping out in
the studio, camping out wherever I was right. Literally, she
was here doing the show and stuff, watching Bluie, watching
Gabby's Dollhouse, chilling, eating rich was like this girl out
here living. She wanted a bunch of candy. I stopped

(02:38):
her there. I said, now you ain't candy. But it's
just so crazy because I used to be the same way. Mama.
I can't go to school today, And she was like, boy,
you better go to school. I can't for real, I'm
really sick, all right, all right, stay home now. This
back in the day, my mama wasn't working and working
either way, I'm home by myself. Right soon they leave
a house all of a sudden, then I feel good.

(03:01):
I wasn't even trying to fake it. It's just like
when y'all gone, I'm all right. It's crazy. They just
want to get out that routine I think sometimes all right,
other than that regular oh pick them up and stuff
from school football practice yesterday. Now, I'm really trying to
rig it. I'm warning all you coaches out there. This
is my PSA to y'all. Allow me to reintroduce myself,

(03:23):
feel Belichick. I am trying to rig this game for
my team so we can win the championship. We have
enough qualifying talent to win it. I was doubting that
for a second here or there, but we got enough.
Here's the thing they need, Belichick, I got a coach. Coach.
Because we're the youngest team in our division. Now, I'm
trying not to rest on this fact that we have

(03:47):
seven more seasons in this same division. This is our
first of eight, so kind of thinking, like, yo, we
that good already, Oh yeah, yah yah yah ya when
we old because we're young, We're young eight year olds
playing against some young ten year olds, and I'm like,
damn it, but I want to win it right now

(04:07):
because that means I'm coaching right now because I'm getting
the most out of them all. The two pace out
the two, so we're gonna see. I got some plays
drawing up yesterday. If this play work, it's cracking. But
we'll see how it plays this Sunday. Other than that,
did y'all watch me? Because I didn't own celebrity Wheel

(04:27):
of Fortune? All right? A lot of people were hitting me.
A lot of people were hitting me up, and it
was love. I tell y'all what I was really doing
a little bit later. But let me just tell you
about that experience. Dog, I ain't gonna lie. You know.
It's some things in everybody's world that you do and
you're like, that's different, like you just you just out
of body experience almost, you know. And for me going

(04:50):
there and obviously there's three things you think about when
you think it will of fortune. For me, it's the wheel,
Vanna and Pat and I like, man, I'm aa meet
Vanda White. I'm gonna meant Pat say jack, and I'm
gonna see that big ass wheel. Well, let me tell
you one thing. That wheel ain't that big. And you'll

(05:12):
already know Vanda and Pat are the sweetest people in
the world, and they ain't that big either. They were hilarious,
kept saying, dang, y'all big. We were like they were
super cool. You would think you would think that doing
that show for as many years as they've done it,
thirty forty years, whatever, that there will be some fatigue
to like how they got down bruh for real tilting

(05:34):
and shout out to Maggie past say Jack's daughter, who's
amazing too as well, part of the whole establishment as well.
I was just like wow. And then you know you
think you on when you're at home watching you like
that wheel is huge and they be struggling to spin it.
I was in there like, yo, don't break this wheel.
Every time spells like don't break the wheel. They even

(05:55):
climbed me a couple of times. I don't know. I
didn't see the episode yet, so I don't know if
it was on ERA or now. They're like, you're gonna
break the wheeldogs, calm down. It was fun. I'm not
gonna do any spoiler alerts. If you didn't see it,
check it out. I have to check it out tonight.
And the reason I didn't check it out because I
had date night last night. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
That?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Lets y'all know we not Hollywood around here, even though
we were in Beverly Hills. We're not Hollywood, man, I know,
I was coming on and stuff, and I was like, dangn,
I gotta watch it. And then we were like, but
we got to check in on each other too. My
wiped out a lot of stuff on her plate coming up.
She has a Bravo Khan Bravo con that sounds like
some war but she got Bravo kan. All these engagements

(06:34):
and parties and panels all in Vegas, so I'm going
out there to Vegas. I'm a guest of hers in
Vegas as she's on the panels, and I'm one of
her VIP guests, like I'm her plus one. It's so dope.
I'd like, damn, this is crazy. And she's she's got
a lot on her plate, so I'm just there as
her soundboard and help her digest it all. We had

(06:56):
a great dinner. Boy. I had a bourbon drink that
was red red. I mean like kool aid red. Oh.
It was so good. Oh, and it came with a
clothes hanger on it with a with a like a
mandarin orange or something. What the hell? I ain't even
want to look how much it costs. I was like, God,
this that I could. I could go to the washer

(07:16):
and dryer and look up this drink get faded up.
The lines were mad with this. They got a clothes hanger.
Oh pounded like four five the times loving life. Ate
the bread, shouldn' ate the bread. The bread ain't that good?
Where we went We're to stake forty eight love that
spot is so beautiful, beautiful. Some crab legs had some
crab legs and we had a ribbi boneless ribbi. We

(07:39):
gotta get out the marble mistakes. I ain't. I don't
need no more fat file for laid fil ay for
me going forward. So we had a great time. And
guess what I told my wife something that I just
read recently, and it got her kind of shook her
up a little bit, little tear up a little bit,
I said, baby, And I looked at her like that.
I said, I see you. She's like I said, I

(08:01):
see you, I get you, and I got you. Nothing
happened last night. No came back. She was supposed to
come downstairs, were supposed to watch the Will of Fortune.
She passed out with the babies. I ended up going
upstairs sleeping with the little iddy bitdy. That's life. I
wasted my line. I wasted my one line on a gun.

(08:21):
Didn't give me none of that love, god boy, I
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(08:45):
guys as you support the found Day. All right, let's
get to it show, Walley Joe, let's go. All right,
let's talk about Mike will Bomb will Bomb. Mike will
made it. Yes, Well, he doubled down on his criticism
because he'd been in a war of words recently about
the w NBA Finals experience at the Barclays Center out

(09:06):
there in Brooklyn. Homie all right, So not only did
he have initial criticism, but he was like, oh you
ain't gets that double down on that thing right there,
like he playing blackjack. Okay, so let's talk about what's
happening right now. WNBA Finals. The Liberty Faithful actually showed up,
at least in body form and presence. They had a
WNBA gate receipt record of seventeen thousand, one hundred and

(09:30):
forty three fans at Barclays for their game three. All right,
so then Will Bahm criticized the crowd as quote barely awake,
sparking a back and forth with the Liberty and the
Nets owner Joe Si and also Michel Bridges went in
there because he's like, hey, my owner beef and then
you know, I beef with you too. Guess what he

(09:51):
gonna like me more? Here's that apple teacher, whatever it
may be. But he has some great points to make.
So will Bob was pivoting, and he also said he
wasn't talking about the arena more, he was talking about
the arena, I should say, more than the people. Hmm.
We're gonna get y'all a sound, all right. So now

(10:13):
they in the back and forth talking about you talking
about the arena, but you're talking about the people, but
you ain't talking about neither one. And the articles were
saying basically, well, by what you're saying is verifiably false.
That's another way of saying you lying. And you made
no reference to Barclays Center itself in your original comments. Okay,

(10:37):
so I'm gonna let y'all hear this sound right now?
A wheelbond doubling down on this Barclay Center WNBA crowd.
Check this out, Yes, Tony, they finally showed up and Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Let me just say this to Joe Side, who tweeted
me yesterday. Let's be clear about something. I didn't criticize
your league or your fan base or even your team.
I criticized your building, which is awful, dark, quiet, and awful.
So let's be straight about that, so you and your
minions don't confuse it. The Liberty bounced back, well, yesterday,

(11:09):
this is now a series and don't think. Oh, let's
invite Wilbo to his first WNBA game. I was a
season ticket holder before you knew where the league was.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Let's get all that straight. So wait, can I just
ask one question? Yeah, the place is a dump.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
You're saying, no dump. No, it's dark and it's quiet,
and it's not Vegas. It's not one of the top places.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
You go to get fired up and a team. It's not.
We're not gone. Okay, Now, Will Bond addressed Joe sign Right,
you heard the sound saying he didn't criticize your fan
base or even your team. I criticize your building, which
is awful. Kind of recently built, but of dark, quiet,

(11:55):
and awful. Y'all heard him, So let's be straight about that,
so you and your minions don't confuse it. Don't know
why he's so spicy on this one right here, especially
when there are receipts and records that says, is that
an accurate portrayal of it? Right? Because even Michel Bridges

(12:16):
was like, just admit you were wrong. Quote it's okay,
laugh out loud, no need to lie. Okay. I'm with
will Bond in this respect because he went to the game.
He was like, Yo, it wasn't much energy in there.
The place doesn't look that fresh, et cetera. That's what
he basically saying. Well, they're good and bad players, so

(12:36):
let's talk about good and bad arenas, because that does exist.
I have not been to Barclays yet. If you and
if so beat it up in the comments right now,
tell me it's does Barclays suck? Because even if it's
new doesn't mean it's fresh. And we're gonna discuss a
little bit of that, not gonna really get into the
back and forth. I think Melbaun was talking about the fans,

(12:57):
the people, and then he tries to say now I
was talking about the arena, Uh, because you don't want
to piss off the fans. Concrete can't get mad at you.
The wood ain't tripping, you know what I mean. But
them fans be like what. But then he was like
he went at the minions too, So I'm like, maybe
we'll boy, just don't give a damn too big to fail.

(13:18):
Let's see about that. Who cares? He keeping it real?
All right? So I start thinking, like, damn, what I
ever got in trouble like this? You know in the
firestorm world words, because uh, the old Oakland Coliseum was
a dump, I straight dump. We were like, you get
off the bus and you go up in there, and
you're like, especially if you go early season, are you

(13:39):
like why the baseball dirt? This third base or this
the thirty yard line? What the hell is this? Just mess?
Then the locker room you literally, I'm not lying to y'all,
had the duck to get in the locker room for real.
You couldn't walk in straight up like oh yeah, good game.
They had to go like that. Then you got in there,

(14:02):
crows and vultures flying out old lockers like I swear
they were like metal, old metal ones like high school,
you know, one of those Friday night lights. Lockers. You're
like looking around, You're like, what the bathroom. You're like,
you're right here, let go outhouse looking at ass locker room. Man,
it was bad that And I'm not gonna lie Qualcomm

(14:25):
Charger Stadium where we were. That's why they left after
twenty years of complaining about the damn stadium. Couldn't work
out the deal. Not get into the politics because I
don't know the details, but I just know they were
crying about it, like dog, can we get a new stadium?
And I remember one time it rained, and you know
how when it rains, and you got the overhead. So
if you were in the like concourse one hundred or whatever,
you like, all right, two hundred is like thank God

(14:47):
for three hundred, right, and three hundred just stuck. He's sorry,
all right. But if you in the one hundred section,
you looking at two hundred over here, You're like, we good.
And I remember I had my family sitting there. They
were fifty yard line sevent eh road seats and they
were just sitting there gangst the mat just morbin Steadium,
morbn right deep. And it rained one game and they

(15:09):
had that overhanger. They thought they were gucci, they thought
they were good. It was leaking through the damn concrete
on everybody in their seats. And I was sitting there.
I remember I playing like that, ain't it now? I
get while y'all complain about this stadium and we had
the same thing. The thirty yard line was third base
early in this season two. It was weird, kind of crazy.

(15:30):
Right now, let me tell you the best stadium there is.
I don't care what y'all build and design that I
played in. Okay, there's only one stadium on Tier one
and that's Arrowhead Stadium. That's sucker the I don't know.
I ain't been in a few years, but boy, that's
an experience, y'all. Y'all. First of all, they all got

(15:53):
this on. They all got it on. They all represent
And second of all, the energy. Third is the loudest
stadium for the barbecue was in the air. The smoke's
in the air. Oh man, they got charcoal out there. Baby,
no gas, baby, oh, no electric, just drake cold going.
Oh the energy and just the red it is just
it's loud as it's crazy, great surface everything. Love me

(16:16):
some arrow here. All right, best stadium to go to
as a fan. To me, obviously, it's so Far. So
Far is so pretty. I always say this, and I'm
gonna stop stinking it. It's pristine. It's almost like you actually,
you ever go to the stadium, you go at the game,
I don't know what. It could be your food, your

(16:36):
hot dog. It's spill on the ground, it's dropping the ground.
You never ever gonna eat something off the ground at
the stadium, right. Matter of fact, you shouldn't even be
wearing your best shoes. You'd be like, I'm gonna wear
these shoes a fresh but not my best. Hell no dirty, right,
I swear so Far it feels like if you drop
your food, you're gonna just pick it up. Five second rule,
baby God A true. I mean, everything looks immaculate and

(17:01):
there are levels to it. Let me give you the
bottom level of Sofar. The bottom level of so Far
is you just walk straight in. It's a gang of
concourse is doing all this all like open You can
see it all. Even though it has the roof. Everyone's like,
why does it have the roof? It's for advertising the roof.
At night they can show different designs and graphics. And logos,

(17:22):
et cetera. And over thirty some million people fly over
for lax so Kronkey making money off the ad space
on top of the roof. That's why they have a roof,
no other reason, y'all. All right, So had to break
that downcause people be like, man, that's stupid. La got
a roofing and they ain't got a roof in Foxborough
and stuff. I was like, y'all should have thought about
that and be by our airport. So that's why they

(17:43):
had that. But the worst experience is fresh got the
food right there. Concession stands everywhere, all open, even the
seven hundred level up there bird's eye view. You feel
like the best is so I've been there. The owner's
suite obviously there's two owners, both side Rams and the Chargers.

(18:03):
I've been to both. Their sweets are so massive, it's
like a whole section, but it's indoor and it's a
sweet and you walk in you be like, am I
in the sweet and you're like no, you're just like
in the lobby of the sweet. Then you walk into
the suite like am I in the sweet and they're like, nah,
this is just like the food section. Then it's the
drink section, then it's the seat section, and then you

(18:24):
look out. You're like, we just took up half the stadium, right,
It's crazy. They valet They valay right there like you
right here, and then you walk past some lobster and
crab stuff. Then you walk into the owner sweep. It's crazy.
I don't sit there, y'all. Just those ain't my seats.
Hell no, whoa those gotta cost them. He get free
because he's the owner. But god dang, I know if

(18:45):
he ever slung on them tickets to try to slang
the it's gonna cost It's the same, insane. But about
the best part is the valat. Then you just walk
right there, damn you in the suite everybody else. Hour traffic, Hey,
come on, man, go charge. You're in traffic for an
hour trying to park. It's crazy. So that's the dopest.
I need y'all to beat this up in the comments

(19:09):
before I ask other questions. Please tell me how the
Raider stadium is. Haven't been yet. I'm thinking about going
charge your Raider game, But tell me that one, and
tell me about Jerry's World one time. I'm not gonna lie.
I had an event in Dallas, and I was there
and I was like, damn, I can't go to the game.
But there's the stadium. So I drove around it and
I was gonna go as close as I could. But

(19:30):
I was like, ah, I ain't play as well as
I could for the for the Cowboys. I'm gonna get
there some parking boom, Jerry, Jerry, go get your money back,
like right there, and I'm clowning, but I ain't going.
I was like, don't tailgay with these Cowboy fans. They
may even still be mad at you. Wait till they
win the Super Bowl again. Then to go over there,
we're like, yeah, we did it. They were like, move

(19:52):
your butter rack. So I need y'all to beat it
up in the comments. Let me know how the Raider
Stadium is and how the Cowboys Stadium is, because so
far by itself right now, all right, So tell me
what y'all thought about Will Bond as well, Like you're
like dog a little grumpy on this one right here,
or you're like, no, I've been at Barclays. It is dark,
it is quiet, it is whack. What Will Bond was
basically saying, I just don't know why he was kind

(20:13):
of I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about it.
I wasn't talk about it. I was talking about them.
It's like, why that part is the only other thing?
And what you're thinking about the w NBA setting some
records right here ISPN and everybody leaning into it in
the coverage, et cetera. It's getting there. It's trying, it's trying.
Just tell me the state of affairs for the w NBA.

(20:34):
And are you guys watching the finals? Y'all don't know
on this one yet, Hue, And he was like cash money, rich,
loud pipes, big rams, homie, that's my life. What else
he say? When I pull up at the club, Sorry,

(20:54):
that's my night. And then at the end we on
five ah, whoa, whoa. When Juve put that on that
ALM and when liul wang.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I piped man hother that and that, Oh.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
All responsibilities in my life went out the door. I
was the most irresponsible individual living when this song used
to come home because all I used to do what
that's when flossing was a thing. Man, I'm talking about
because you know this cringsha on Sundays, I used to whoa,

(21:38):
it'd be crazy girls what's up? What's up? We're like, yeah,
what's up? No, No, her too. That was life back then.
You just be riding at the red light. I mean,
we got these girls into a car accident one time
because we stopped at the light. They were hoped. My
boy was in We was in a Z three hundred
Z or two eighty maybe two eighty one of them
and they he ice skin green eyes. They looking at oh.

(22:02):
And then I was kind of leaning back right here
doing something with the tapes, were putting our tapes in
the CDs or whatever, and he was like, oh, I
had a dark one two. I swear she said. This
was like, oh I had a dark one two and
I look like Jordan Nickckas. I was like one hundred
pounds less joint girl. And then I'm not lying. For
some reason, they hit the gas. While they hit the

(22:25):
gas and boom hit another car, Like we ain't that
cute girl? You should have cal him down all that
love man, y'all know this show never shut up. Project
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talking about. Right now. We know who he is. He's
the founder of the Ringer old school ESPN back in

(22:47):
the days when I was over there, old school ESPIN
and he was talking about the state the podcasting of
the industry, basically all of it the past, present, future,
and he was optimistic about podcasting in his future and
talking about how the new error is gonna have different challenges.
The deals are looking different and it's evolving. The standards

(23:08):
of success are changing as well, emphasizing that having a podcast, hey,
stop being lazy. You just can't be famous and have
a podcast and it's gonna work for you. It's certain
quality standards now and you're gonna have to commit to
it for real. And I think there was a mindset
with podcasts like, oh, just stay at home or just

(23:29):
go anywhere and just talk for an hour. It work.
Have y'all seen some of the numbers? Bill Simmons don't
like talking to his numbers. That less you know, he
doing a lot and he's doing well at it, because
every time they pressed him in his interviews about twenty
three minutes, he would not give numbers. I am the
this is one issue I do have. I get where

(23:49):
he's coming from. He don't want to sound braggadocious. He
don't want to sound like well, two things I think.
One he doesn't want to sound braggadocious because there are
great numbers. But two we don't know the exact numbers.
So maybe he is like I want them to think
and imagine even more than I'm actually getting. That's another
way you play it. But I'm a former athlete where

(24:11):
you remember that girl like oh, you know, like Jordan girl.
Remember them they used to open up the USA today
and see how much I made, See how much every
single player made. I remember every year there was one
publication that put everyone's salary out there. And crazy enough,
it didn't always get it right, just before websites, I

(24:31):
guess and all that spot rack and all that, but
it used to like do it And I said, look,
I'm like that ain't gonna I'm getting a little more
than that. But hey, it's kind of close. But I
have grown to always talk about how much I make.
I don't care really why I talk about it is
not the brag. It's to help somebody else make more.

(24:53):
So I'm in this industry right now, sports media, you know, ESPN, Fox,
NFL Network, brings TV, etc. Right And people call me
I protect the guilty. People call me still to this day.
I had a call this weekend. He know he is
contract up? Ay Wiley heard you on your podcast? No,
you keep it real. How much were you making? How'd

(25:14):
you get that? What can I do? This is what
I'm getting? And we broke bread, and I said, I
hate that this industry is we don't know exactly or
we don't just talk about how what you make? You
know why, because they use that against you. You can
even have the same agent, and some agents are like, nah,
I can't tell what my client over here makes. It's
like fool, you represent both of us. You better tell
me what he make. I'm gonna use him as a

(25:36):
cop to get more anyway. So I saw that with
Bill Simmons not going there on his numbers, but he's
going there in terms of what you need to do
to get those numbers, the commitment to quality, to standards, etc.
All Right. So he said success isn't measured by audience
size solely, but by the uniqueness and value of podcasts

(25:58):
offers within a crowded market. All right. I respect that.
And he believes that a more podcasts, the more podcasts
that emerge, the larger trusted shows will still see growth
because people gravitate toward what they know and trust in
a sea of choices. So basically, everybody's always scared. Oh

(26:19):
my god, there's so many podcasts. Are too many podcasts?
How do I breakthrough? Well, you can still break through
because like you just gonna have to have something that
people want, or you're gonna have to be a name
that already commands audience, right, being real, So that example
of like, oh my god, too many podcasts, I shouldn't
do it. Well, if you're somebody that people want and

(26:42):
they trust, they're gonna come to you, they gonna find it.
It's like water, water finds this way. You want something,
you're gonna find your way. That's why I always say,
in this world, you always win. Just choose the right
things to participate in because you always win. You gonna
fight for what you want, good or bad. Remember that.
So the increasing number of podcasts can actually benefit larger

(27:04):
established shows by providing familiarity and trust to listeners. So
he gotta summed all that up, break down, give a
Simmons none. All right, let me talk about podcasting, because podcasting,
to me, is still a tough word for me to
say I say radio or I say show, But really,
to me, this is just like radio with a camera.

(27:24):
And I swear I used to do radio with Max
and I all the time. We used to always say
why don't we just throw a camera here? And people
just always say, y'all act so crazy. People don't know
what they thought. The show was crazy, what we were doing.
Travis Kelvin, Max, etc. Y'all should have seen what we
were doing in there, because y'all know me. I got
a pea bottle somewhere. Let me stop. Basically, I mean radio.

(27:46):
You just sometimes you want the mic right here, and
I'm leaning over there. We're clowning like you, not structured
in formal like you are on television. So let me
just start off by saying the best thing I love
about a podcast this is the intimacy and the authenticity.
Y'all call it the freedom. But you're free up there.

(28:07):
You're free to do what you're gonna do. You're just
not gonna get rewarded for everything you do here. You're
gonna whatever you do is, whatever you do it, You're
gonna get rewarded because it's you. Ain't no bosses, ain't
no decision makers.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
And you know that segment yesterday at eighteen minutes Marshall.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Don't do that again. Shut up, you know what I mean?
So I used to hate two things. One, most producers
are young out of like college, real bright eye. Most
of the dirty work is done by them. And then
they got a boss like the CP or something coordinating

(28:49):
producer on the show. Now that person is in the
mid thirties, probably older, and they ain't checking on the
show every time, but they overseeing the show. So you
usually working with some little dude or girl who's just
in m and they trying to figure it out. But
they take a simple, safe approach because they want to

(29:10):
keep their job and move up the ladder. So basically,
they gonna feed you exactly what you already see out there.
That's why these shows become redundant is because the person
doing a lot of the legwork, it's somebody like U Cowboys,
you were having to dack, you know, like, yeah, everybody
heard what happened to Dad? What else you got? Did
you see what Jared Jones said about what happened to
Dak Dang? Did you do anything else? So that's how

(29:33):
that game go, right. But radio was special to me,
because you didn't have that kind of dynamic. Right One,
you ain't trying to present yourself, you're just talking. Two,
they ain't trip. It's four hours whatever it may be
a radio service. Ain't nobody listening to all of that.
Nobody average time spent listening usually was like fifteen minutes
or something, so nobody watching the whole I mean listening

(29:54):
to the whole thing. But it was just different than
TV TV. My TV fans all be like this, Oh, Marsellers,
what's up man, let's get a pick. What's up? Oh boy,
you be out there, you be saying some stuff. Man,
you crazy and crazy. And then your radio fans be like, yo,
so what's up with them? Jane? What are you doing?
Is he gonna go there or not? And they're like, damn,

(30:16):
layer deeper because you right here, think about it, right here,
going right here. TV is here here, and you're doing this,
and we doing that, and the TV sound is off
half the time, be real background noise or if it's
if it's on background, so it's not as intimate. The
connection is completely different. Ah. That's the best thing about podcasting.

(30:41):
The worst thing about podcasting when I watch others is
when they don't respect it like it's a real craft,
like it's a real business, it's a real sport. You know.
They just be like, I'm talking right out. I'm like, daw,
you gotta talk. You gotta talk that talk right. Everything
you do you gotta do that too. I just be saying,
I did it, do it. It's a big difference. I

(31:04):
love it. I love this. I love I love just
talking through stuff. And it's funny because when you're doing
it for there, it's like we're doing it and we're
picking certain things to get it done here. You pick
whatever and see what happens. And that's what Bill Simmons
was talking about, like, don't always go by audience and
they're super successful, go by also your passion points. Are

(31:29):
you hitting some pain pockets out there? Like are you
satisfying people's needs? I see some of the comments. I
saw a comment recently yesterday or the day this morning,
somebody's like, look, you're just inspiring me, bro, that's enough,
Like that's it, And I'm like, damn for real, they're
kind of trying to sit me down. I think it's
in funk of my comments. I'll read it to you guys, literally,

(31:52):
but I'm just excited the success. We started in February,
started a YouTube channel of a year ago, thinking like
I know I need to do something on YouTube. Let
me open up one again. Okay, that dude. I put
up like one picture of a Riah running or something
and like MJ combing his hair. That was it, Like
I ain't know what I was doing. I can't lie.
And then in February this year started the Daily Show

(32:16):
and we're over one hundred and thirty thousand subscribers already,
and it were growing like eight months, little eight months, silly,
silly and being real, man, I've seen a lot of people,
big names, y'all can do your own research. I protected guilty.
I knew some big names that had podcasts, big names
that were doing them for years, and a couple of

(32:39):
them were like at twenty thousand subscribers, big name for real,
big names, household names, and I was like, damn, it's
that hard, and it is hard because you gotta be consistent,
but you can break through. You know. I feel I've
broken through. I feel like this is love and so
you just gotta do what you gotta do. You got
sponsors now, you know, bet Us is just one of them.

(33:01):
That's our major one brings our valuations going up, all
this stuff. So what he was talking about is the
state of podcasts, and he's still bullish on it. I'm
bullish on it as well as I put my interest
in it. I put my time and investment in it. Hey,
I'm out here grinding forward. So what do y'all feel
about the state of podcasts? Still bulletsh on it and

(33:22):
you're like, I don't know, it's too many of them,
as I just can't. I love it. I love it.
One thing he said too, he's like, the athlete podcasts
are interesting. No one listens to him. He's like, I
don't listen to him, but I always see their social
media clips and they're amazing. It's funny that I wouldn't
say that about athlete podcasts. It's just I consume more

(33:43):
clips than I do actual podcasts. The actual podcast I
listened to let me give it to you, Kwame Brown
Carcino for Life Dreamer Dreamers pro love that one. That's like,
that's my go to. It's a bunch of them, but
those are the ones I feel like in my life,

(34:04):
my quick, fearless Jason Willot except when they get a
little too religious. Fired I'm like, come on, man, I'm like,
I love God, but you know, y'all gotta be nice
some it's other it's other ways up the mountain to
the Lord as well. So that's the only one, only
little critique I have of that. But y'all tell me, uh,

(34:25):
are podcast success measured by what they're addressing? Like what
the genre is, what the topics are, or is it
just strictly audience? What do you guys think about it?
Because Bill Simmons was like, I don't care about the
audience and wouldn't give no numbers. I was like, yeah,
but that audience pays them bills Bill, so pays them
Bill's Bill. Well, I still got it. So you better

(34:47):
a better chill on that one. And do you agree
with Bill's take in terms of the state of podcasts.
Let me know what y'all feeling about all this. Let
me know what you feel about this show. Beat me
show well, beat me up in the comics. I can
take your ahead, don't y'all be me nah, have some
fun with it. Got how come when you used to
ride bikes when you were little, used to go like
this if you ran, if I was running and I

(35:09):
ran like this. Some people do run like that. I'm
not going as fast as I can, So why don't
we think a bike gonna go that fast? If we're
doing this, remember I used to do that. I'm gonna
catch you food. I donna catch you food Dan Boom.
The name a boom they their food boom. I was
a fiend before I became a teen. A melting microphone

(35:33):
and set of cones and ice cream. Probably transitioned out
or probably transitioned out or leave a donation recurrent donation.
I would give you that book, the book of rhymes
that Rock Kim must have godly, godly, I mean, like

(35:54):
for real, let me just get this out the way.
Who a better rapper than rock Him? Like for real?
Like stop playing though, like Big Daddy came right there,
ice Cube with the Jerry curl Andre three thousand, Lil Wayne,
I'm knowing for you. I want to say eminem, but
I ain't gonna lie. He ain't playing the sport the
right way. Like I'm like, come on, man, like just

(36:16):
keep it simple, go back to em, go back to high.
My name is why what happened? I can't even keep
up what you're saying and what I do? Huh like
he I ain't gonna say that. Yeah, I ain't gonna
say it yet. But let's just say without doing more,
he's dropped in my rankings, even though I know I

(36:37):
think at the combines he's the best rapper, Eminem Like,
put him all through the drills, little Wayne in him. Yep,
that'll be my combined rappers. But then Lil Wayne just
get on the fielding destroy him, because Eminem, what you're
talking about? All right? Anyway, let's talk about Michael Parson.
What are you talking about? Ooh? He mad them cowboy
haters out there. Why you wanna play hate on me? Oh?

(36:59):
That loony's right there. Ah, So we know who he is,
all pro linebacker making the name for himself on the
field and in the podcast booth. Yes, he is going
in on the podcast he has on Bleacher Report called
The Edge. You know, somebody was sitting there marketing. We
got Michael Parkson's a big deal. We got a bleaching report. Yes,
all right, what should we call it? The Edge? Oh? Man,

(37:23):
that's pretty good. Pretty good. So he's been vocal by
a lot of topics. Every Monday he has the show
and he breaks down the week of the NFL and
he leans into the Cowboys and lets people know what
he thinks, all right. That includes criticizing media figures for
bashing his quarterback, Dak Press Scott and Dak didn't have
a bad game this week. Don't do that to Dak.

(37:44):
Herbert had a bad game, but not bad numbers. But
for Herbert standard standards, that wasn't a good game for him.
But Dak didn't play back. Look, you can't be running
back like that, Dak scoring running touchdowns like that and
running for the scrambles, just trying to open up. That's
not a repeat eatable, successful offense. That's not a reliable offense.

(38:04):
If you're the coordinator, if you're Micha McCarter, you like that.
Ain't our formula for success to win that way. But
that gonna have to air that thing out with full confidence.
We know that. But Michael Parsons emphasizing the unequal, just
be real off balanced standards that are applied to the
Cowboys compared to other teams, and ask he just asks
for a more consistency in the media coverage. He calls

(38:27):
for fair treatment while he's frustrated with the negative media
attention on the Cowboys always constantly close to it is
pointing out that while players like Parsons can express their grievances,
they're still contractually obligated to speak with the media, and
one doesn't replace the other because he starts saying, look,
I don't even speak to the media this week, but

(38:48):
he did his podcast, so that's where that came in. Now,
stop listening to me. Listen to Michael Parsons talk about
everything Cowboys, especially the criticism of Dak Prescott, and even
called out my former co host Emanuel Acho there Go.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I just don't condone the bashing of Dak Prescott and
the Dallas Cowboys and have the same energy for the Eagles.
We want the same energy for everybody, because there's a
whole bunch of bashing when it's Dak Prescott, but not
the same when it's the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I got time today.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
A lot of people said the Browns defense was overhyped.
I said, the Browns on a real deal. I scho
said this, which piss me off. I'm not worried about
the forty nine ers. They were missing Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel,
the Browns were missing Deshaun Watson, Nick Chubb. They were
missing them key factors before the game even started. So
why is it that we are just scrubs and we're

(39:40):
nobody's that don't deserve to be on the field and
we're just all talked.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
But there's a hundred excuses for these other teams.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
If y'all just gonna hate Cowboys Nation, just say y'all
hate Cowboys Nation. I'm tired of people trashing my quarterback.
I'm tired of people trash my team. And that's why
I had nothing to say to the me this week.
You wanna hear me talk, come to hear me talk
on the Edge Monday night. And that's point bay period.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Hey interesting, you got receipts and boy boy Bleacher Reports
supporting that podcast right there. It's out for you, Micah Man. Look,
let me just break this down for Micah and all
those interested. We know the Dallas Cowboys are clickbait, as
they say over like on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
And online, clickbait, clickbait. You're just trying to get me
to look. First of all, it's the dumbest thing ever.
Like no, I posted it so you won't look. You
know what I'm saying, will of fortune. I'm a Will
of Fortune tonight. Please don't look, don't watch it. Will
of Fortune putting out promo at the promo and me
Jared Allen, Rashad Jennings, oh please don't watch.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Why is that not clickbait? Everything is talking about an
event or a person, nowns, person places of things. That's
you get paid talking about nowns basically, right, So come on,
y'all right. Anyway, so the Dallas Cowboys are clickbait. We
watch them, and I'm gonna tell you why they're clickbait.

(41:03):
So I don't think a lot of people go there, well,
a lot of people are not in the media and
play for the Cowboys. Let me stop, all right, I'm
gonna be real. This might hurt a little bit because
my daddy a big Cowboys fan, big Cowboys fan. My
dad used to levitate when the Cowboys came on. I'm
talking about going back Tony Dori Sat days. And you know,
my daddy a man A few words all he says

(41:25):
all ride. So he's sitting there, He's like, oh, oh, touchdown,
all ride. Yeah, that's it. He ain't got no more
ain't got no more words. Vocals slim, right, So the
Dallas Cowboys, and I've noticed it from him watching it.
My dad used to watch in the eighties with me.
He didn't poison the well, he let me pick my team,
but I used to watch them like my daddy never

(41:46):
gets hyper in life other than when the Cowboys are
balling and winning for real, even my touchdowns. I go
to my game Saturday Sunday, five touchdowns, my day be like,
all right, good job, all ride Cowboys? All right, he louder,
all right. I saw the fan base from hello, like
in the eighties from me, and then I saw him

(42:10):
win those championships and they were insufferable, like, oh my god,
were they went three or four or something? So and
then Jerry's the man. Denny fires Jimmy Johnson. I shouldn't
have done that, but still win one without him, So
you're like shooting what you say. And all that. The
Cowboys haven't won a super Bowl since then, and we

(42:32):
know the playoff woes, and we know the fumble. I
was there when Romo fumbled the snap for the extra point.
All that I got, y'all. They have the largest sensitive
fan base that exists in the NFL, probably all sports,

(42:53):
at least over here. Major sports. Yeah, I would say sensitive, yeah, sensitive.
In this way, they're almost like the old prom queen
prom king. You know who knows, eh, boy, you know
how I used to look. You know how I am,
You know who I was. And all that tremendous success

(43:17):
in accolade is in the distant past and right now,
even the newbies, even the ones who just winning the
Super Bowl here, like the La Rams just won a
Super Bowl whatever, you know, a couple of years ago.
Like teams like that, they don't even have the organizational
success of the Cowboys. Could take a shot at the Cowboys,

(43:37):
and the Cowboys gotta take that shot. It's crazy, right,
Instead of reminding everybody only one franchise out there got
more chips right right, right, but the Patriots. Other than that,
then it's the Cowboys and Steelers, right five, instead of

(43:58):
FlexIt like more, I'm a triple O. G even shut up,
little fan, little fan base, little organizations, one ring like
Tampa Bay or something. But since they're so far in
the past, everybody gets shot saddle and they land, they land.
I know, Cowboys fan, I was a Cowboy. Plus, it's
just I know media, I know how it goes. If

(44:20):
they didn't react like they react. It wouldn't be like that.
The Lakers were starting to feel that way. The Lakers
were getting that way, remember that, right. They had their
droughts in the nineties, in the mid nineties, They had
their droughts in the mid two thousands, late two thousand
and then Kobe went got two more. Then they had
their droughts again in the teams, and Damil Lebron came

(44:42):
and got one more. Whoo, thank guy Lebron got that one,
because they would really be close to them cowboys. Now
you could just see it. It's like, it's weird. The
teams that don't win Super Bowls or win one, all
of them get the shoot at everybody else who already
won one or more. But they want them a long
time ago. That shut up with your old ass prom

(45:03):
king prom queen. Nobody want to hear you prom king
prom queen when we twenty four, right when we twenty
eight at the ten year reunion, like, oh that was cute. Yeah, yeah,
I ain't been checking on you since that. Oh yeah,
you look different, like it's crazy. Cowboys suffer like that is.
And so all those young producers I told you about, right,

(45:24):
they come in and they just force feed you Cowboys
because they get such a reaction from that enormous fan
base that still feels like, hey, y'all, stop messing with us.
You know it's funny because you know, let's let's go
into some movies like Triple og y'all remember a wax
in Minace, right, what did he say? What they say

(45:44):
about him? Man, he did so much dirt that he
just likes seeing the young homies do it. Now he
don't do nothing. Hey wax one time at the burger
scene at the burger place at the end, come on, fools,
come on food. That's it he shot. What But the point,
like Triple O g status, they supposed to be just
sitting back like I'm good, and the Cowboys fan base

(46:07):
don't feel like they good. They let everybody else say
how many years is it been? Now? Twenty six, twenty seven,
at twenty hey, yeah foo? How many has been for you? Oh?
You just won one? How many you won? That's it?
And they didn't think me mean da nah da da duh.
You gotta hit them with that, But they don't. So
them young producers force feed it because they know always

(46:29):
gonna get that reaction right, and look, it's it's lazy,
it's simple. But y'all keep falling for the same trick.
So when people get tired of the Cowboys coverage, always
look in the mirror, because you're the reason there's so
much Cowboys coverage. That's it. Now, they don't have to
always be negative. That's another conversation, and that's what Micah
is talking about. We know they're gonna react, So I

(46:50):
cho did something that is called the omission of guilt.
That's when you know you hiding something and you do
it on purpose because you're playing on the ignorance of others. Now,
there are times when you are ignorant too, like Acho
may be like, oh, I didn't even think about oh
the fact that they are missing players too. Oh they
missing Nick Chubb, Oh they missing Deshaun Watson. Maybe he

(47:12):
just didn't get to it, or he didn't get to
talk about it, or maybe he just forgot about it. Whatever.
But there is a conscious way of doing that called
omission of guilt. And it's a trick. You leave out
the conversation when I'm making my point, out, leave out
something that could hurt my argument on purpose because I'm
playing on your ignorance. I'm playing on the fact that

(47:32):
you don't know any better or you won't even notice.
They do that too. They do that to y'all all
the time. They do that to the fans all the
time now because a lot of times fans go to
these media people and media sources. You come to me whatever,
and you trust what we're saying, and without fact checking,
you maybe just trusting one side of it. My grandma

(47:55):
used to clown people like that, crown things like that. Right.
She used to say, what's you say? It's like you're
waving with one hand. No, she used to say, you're
rubbing with one hand and slapping with the other. Yeah.
She'd be like, you're rubbing me with one hand and
slapping with the other. And it's true. You're like look, look, look, look, bow,
look bou Ron. That's how it goes. So a little

(48:18):
trick right there by Oto maybe intentional, maybe not, but
that is one of the things that we can do.
So have y'all listened to Have y'all seen Michael's podcast
and tell me how is it to beat that out
in the comments? Because this negative coverage of the Cowboys me,
I'm not the one, you know, me. This is how
I deal with negativity. I only add up those with me,
not against me. I wouldn't be the player giving more

(48:41):
energy to that y'all being negative about me because you
just showed them that it gets to you. So therefore,
let's keep getting when you playing the Joneses, when you
joking somebody out what there's only two scoreboards? How loud
everybody else is laughing, And how it's affecting who you
joking on if they sitting near teflon you only got

(49:04):
one scoreboard left? Are they laughing? So there's ratings and
there's also how you feel and respond. Did he get
to you? Michaeh, y'all cowboys fans his negativity? And now
you're responding to the negativity. Y'all know how it goes
in math, the equation once it has negative in it

(49:26):
multiplied into it, it's all negative fees itself, right crazy.
So if I'm Michael, I'm just like the ball ball
ball talk it up. But hey, doing the podcast, try
to be interesting, not mad, really at it? What do
we think of Dak though? Let's talk about Dak for real.
I thought that was an all right game for Dak.
Not the best I still don't see the trust level

(49:48):
where it needs to be, and I don't see him
trusting him with his arm talent as much as they should,
but needs to do it. And what y'all think just
in general, cause this kind of merges what we're talking
about with Bill Simmons and this this new media space
and access for all NFL players with podcasts. It's different
than when I was playing. And I like it. Do

(50:08):
you guys like it? Beat that up in the comments?
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songs I'm coming into, I'll be a hype ass and
eighties early nineties party, right you know why cause they're
coming con Garndom garyndom an I remember that. Oh oh

(50:32):
resting north of the South Fifestent, shoot buck shots. Oh.
They cursed so many times I couldn't say any of
the words. It literally says, check your run? What is
that right here? It's a check your run? Pump that
ass or get God effort? Sure that scenario remix? I mean,

(50:55):
everybody like, what's scenario? Yo? Bo knows this one. Boon
knows that. Well, yeah, we high we know it. But
when they came out with the remix, down like shit.
All right, y'all, go to Project transition dot org. Log
on leave a donation for the foundation to help our

(51:15):
situation in the creation of the elation of the adoration
of the situation for these little kids. Man, hook them up?
All right? What's the bonus topic? While to get into it,
all right, let's talk about Senator from West Virginia, Joe Manchin.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
All right.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
He expressed concerns about college athletes becoming multi millionaires as
freshmen and sophomores, suggesting it's challenging to support them. I
said it. He made it like they too risk to
even want to support. They getting too much money? Why
should I support them? All right, here's this quote. It's
hard to root for the kids when they're multimillionaires as

(51:50):
freshmen in South barest is it? I support coaches. I
love Nick Saban. Every time Nick Saven shows up the
Mercedes on Dayton's, you see him. He got Mercedes on
dayton for real on Dana's be at his lake house.
I support him. I know he make more than everybody
in that state public service. I support pro athletes. I

(52:14):
know how much they make. Shoot, you don't think I'll
be like go Jason Tatum, go Jay leb Brown, go
Lebron like money, that's why you're gonna support him. Then
leve veiled, then le veiled when you got something else
to say, but you just don't say it all right,
So they had a Senate Judiciary committee. Ain't gonna bore
y'all soon as y'all hear that, y'all like ah, Charlie

(52:37):
Baker was there at NCAA. President. I gotta get that out,
Big ten commissioner. They're all talking about nl rights, right,
and they lobbying left, they lobbying right, They lobbying all
of it. But here's one quote that came out of
it from President Charlie Baker. I think Division two and
Division three schools will get out of college sports. Be careful.
All I want you to do, guys, is just monitor

(52:59):
what's going on and on because there's a lot of
wordplay that's trying to change what just changed in terms
of nil deals. Now, there was a layer to this
where you're thinking racing class had to get intertwined. And
we're talking through it, right because the big sports we're
talking football, we're talking basketball, make the money, we're talking
that's where the black players are largely and we're talking

(53:22):
about while they were so late to the conversation in
terms of making their nil money and having their professional opportunities. Right,
because I know I went to school with baseball players.
You mean class with a baseball player? Like, what's up? Boy?
All right? Nice me? What's your name? Jonathan? All right?
Marcella's all right, yeah, you already started up. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

(53:43):
we had it. What y'all doing? Always just got all
season spring training and stuff. You're like, all right, cool,
I see you around, man, Can we connect sometimes? Cool? Cool? Cool?
Come back to class next day. Hey, we're jonnating at
oh man, he got called up? Called up? What do
you mean he out went to the miners. He ain't
got fit? School? You do, Wiley, You do not him

(54:06):
having baseball players, golfers, cats be committing and golf go
out there and win one damn tournament. They win. They
win the West Side la Open off Sloughson. They went
to the West Side of la off Sloughston Open. We're
having a Frederick O. Man, he gone that money. Oh

(54:28):
I gotta stay. I told you all my Lauryn Hill story.
We used to freestyle on the phone that was a
homie calling her. She calling me this back. We had
no cell phones, so you better be in that dorm.
Pick up the door and what's up? Hey? What you
doing now? What's you up to? None? Got this party
this weekend? For real? Where your party at Jersey? I
ain't going. You never want to leave campus? Damn right

(54:52):
cause I'm winning up here. I got everybody on campus.
Food girl left la. You think I'm gonna go out
to Jersey to your house party? Get shot up? Nope?
Not going. What else up? Nothing? We working on these tracks?
Why y'all still working on the tracks? When you gonna
come out with the album? It's coming out, don't worry?
All right? Cool? All right, Hollo, call back. Hey, tell

(55:12):
me what you think of this one? Go? She busts one.
I'm like, dope, what did you think of this one? Boy?
That's whack? All right? She right? I just made it up.
You actually wrote it down. So anyway, she did her
first album. It does come back to school. She's still there.
What's up? What's up? Oh? That was cool? That was cool.

(55:32):
They remixed that last single I Forget the Name of
It too anticipation for the next album. They dropped that
second album, Lauren Lauren, Lord heal come back, man, don't
make her money. My ass sitting up in there still
wonder is she gonna call me? I got a freestyle?
This one better, Dave, try to game go. No, it's real.

(55:55):
So them senators up there talking like that, why y'all
got restrictions over here? And they ain't got enough respections
off us A. So let's be real because if D
two and D three goals, WHOA, that's a lot of
our kids, A lot of our kids. That's a lot
of collegiate athletes not gonna have an opportunity if we
don't fix this, address this situation. And I want you

(56:17):
to take a dive on your own terms because I
understand I can't give you the medicine and this broccoli
and this is broccoli. Uh, but take notice of what
NIL is doing in terms of what they're doing at
this Judiciary committee. All right, y'all trying to funk up
some comments? Fuck up, yeah, funk up from comments. I
wish we had Instagram when I used to talk to

(56:37):
Lawrence Hill and freestyle because I know I would have
put one on the damn You imagine if I got
a clip of me out freestyling Lauryn Hill who that
would have been dope? That would have been dope, that
would have been dope. All right, here we go. Let's
talk about Skip from yesterday. Damn Marcells, you stepped the
Skip like that? Damn right ideal? I stepped anybody like that?
What you're gonna do? Beat me up? How come Jay

(56:59):
and Rose had to Apolo as a Skip. Oh interesting,
good question. I know it's ah, that's weet. Oh I
just thought about it. Oh why you asked this question
that happened ten years ago? I never thought about this.
Skip be calling everybody a nickname and he got called
water pistol Pete, water pistol Skip or water pistol Pete. Yeah,

(57:23):
and had to apologize for calling them that. They had
to tell me please somebody beat it up in the comics,
Why did Jaalen apologize? I would literally been like, excuse me, hey,
hey boss whoever it was back then? Boat and I
don't know Skipper, Hey, come on, Skipper. I know, I
know Skip name is in your name, Skipper, but why

(57:43):
am I apologizing the DoD do this all day? I
just returned fire. Ooh that's interesting, good comic. I never
named carl Is and always has been a wild take
by Skip. Considering the thing, he says, Yeah, that's why
I'm saying own it. I got salute for you, even
though I don't respect what you're doing. Salute for you.
But you'll be like now, I call them any names.
I just call them Kyle needed should have been a bowler,

(58:07):
which is a good look. The nicknames are dope, they fresh,
they funny, but they ain't right. This is a reason
to call well, a reason to call an old lady something.
It's a reason to push the old lady downstairs too.
Just don't do it all right. I've always hated the
culture of name calling the athletes, especially when it's done
being done by people who don't play. I ain't gonna lie.

(58:27):
That gets me a little more extra, like, oh no,
I can't lick it. When Ryan Clark did it, I
was like, Dawl, you played and you're doing that. That's weak,
that's lazy. But when they do it like the ones
who didn't play, I'm like, that's sorry. But that's the
only trick I always say. So. I don't know the
problem is that Skip, stephen A, jim Ron, Rob Parker,
God dangn coward cal heard and now Nick Wright found

(58:47):
a way to talk about sports the way fans do
in the barbershop. Oh interesting, where people feel free saying
he's a bum inventing like we the fans own the
athletes performance as if their effort is something that's old
to us, and in return for paying for or ticket,
we get to dehumanize them. Oh you dropping gems. That's
always hurked me to know. End say talk, you'll talk.

(59:09):
You can't blame skipping stephen Ay entirely if they're following
our lead and giving the people what they want. But
it's amazing that guys in that position are so thin skinned.
It's not surprising at all that they dish it out
all day, but they're lacking in self awareness that they
recoil when any of that same energy is pointing back
at them. Kudos to Kwame and for real on the
flip am I the only person not even enough to

(59:30):
think that skips Key and Saran can all learn from
one another. Unfortunate new way to talk about sports, man,
I hope so oh man, that's a great comment. It
was worth all the time it took to read it
when I was growing up the bullies, the gangsters never
scared me to my core. Now I had to navigate

(59:53):
around them to make sure I stayed safe, so that
could make me look like a punk. I'm walking over
here because you over there, he got that thighing go on.
I ain't tripping. I'm going home. But they never scared
me because I'm like, hurt people, hurt people. And on
top of that, you soft at the core, fool, that's

(01:00:15):
why you're out here trying to ride on everybody, trying
to strike first because you don't want me to strike back,
and you don't want me to strike first. I always
thought that way was I was right or wrong. I
was like, I ain't scared of them, just ain't gonna
fuck with him. When I see cats up here with
the stuff that they say, and then when a little
of it comes back in boomerangs, you ain't gonna make

(01:00:36):
an enemy of me. You don't want to. Y'all need
to stop playing like it's just laughable, Like and now,
wess I played right now because I know how I am.
I showed y'all the clips ten fifteen years of me ago,
ten fifteen years ago, me just going that skip, like
what I don't play like that dog. And if I

(01:00:57):
were playing it now, I would have known somebody was
coming at me. I would have went on they show
and lit they ass up like Jalen Rose did and
didn't apologize, and I wouldn't have LBJ been giving up
something to talk about for more than twenty one plus years.
He deserves to sit on the sideline and out during
a pig out during the preseason game. How long do
we want athletes and entertainers to be in human Yeah?

(01:01:18):
I had no problem with him eating, and Michael Cooper
really didn't either. He was laughing tongue in cheek. It
was just all love, all the best love and support
to t O from India, the best wide receiver ever
who was blackballed by the establishment. Yeah, To got a
weird legacy. To needs a documentary like a well thirty
for thirty Does he have one? They did t O wrong?
To should be much much more respected and well regarded

(01:01:43):
and how they thought of than he is. I just
I just know him and I know how he played.
I remember our decordinators like, okay, guys, this guy right
here eighty one, it's gonna be a problem. Why coach?
Because he runs every damn route hard, and well that's it.

(01:02:06):
Oh no, no, no, The problem starts once he gets
the ball. Getting the ball, he gonna do that. That
ain't the problem. The problem starts is when he gets
the ball, the sucker runs angry. The sucker runs like
no one else matters. That's the problem. Since you want
to talk so much, come to me snapping. I'm like, dude,

(01:02:27):
first of all, you need me right now, so you
need to calm down. Coach score, why you so damn hot.
It's Wednesday. We ain't playing them the Sunday, And then
I'm not gonna lie. We played too that week. On
that Sunday, Sucker caught one for like seventy and everybody
stopped for one reason. One coach was right, But that
ain't the reason. What are you about to do that, sucker?

(01:02:49):
I don't know what dance he did, but we were like,
like to got to that level, Like what Dion kind
of with us, Like you gotta respect him. You be
watching like what are you gonna do? Dion had us
all this mass when we play against them, I'm like,
that's Dion. We ain't do that to to But when
he did something, you'd be like we do we do?
I remember jogging. I remember because a score on us,
So I got to run like fifty yards down there,

(01:03:11):
and I'm like, what are you doing? I'm damn this bug.
He was silly. Best wide receiver ever, I said it.
I will have to disagree with what you said about
the cost of being you. Certain behavior might be rewarded
to fit a narrative or in an agenda, but upstanding
and inspiring the next generation offers a better reward. True,
that is what you were doing. Oh. I am training

(01:03:32):
to be a physician and watch your show on my
breaks from time to time. It is refreshing. You are
inspiring me to be better for myself and my future patience.
No amount of money can measure the impact of elevating
a human soul, which is what you're doing. Money comes
and goes, but people that stood the test of time
were doing the right thing at the right time, even
if it wasn't popular. Keep being you. Oh oh, that

(01:03:58):
was that hit the heart. I was like some chicken
noodle soup right there. That felt good to hear. Here
what it is I disagree with you? Disagree with me?
I never said me. The person I was saying me
as far as being the worker in those industries, me
being the co host, not me the person, me the

(01:04:19):
persona if I should say, And that's just like you
at your job, Like you are different than you the physician, right,
you may know what your job at being a physician. Hey,
we trying that risky new vaccination. You gonna try it
with us? I mean now everybody's on board with it,
but we are. And you may be like, no, I'm good,

(01:04:41):
and you're like, oh, you know where the incentives are
taking it. I know they sell to the medical people,
the medical technicians and stuff. Hey we got this new one,
we got this new equipmanenty and some of that be
like I'm good. There was an energy that told me,
Marcel's if you go with the wave or talk it
because you know me, if you go with the wave

(01:05:01):
with talking trash about people, all, they can't mess with you, Wiley,
Now that I don't want that wave. All right, Well,
here's some paddles good luck to you or or and
that's all it was. But come on, man, I ain't
gonna change me. I just showed you a clip from
fifteen years ago. I'm the same o, g same on
me all right, y'all. Y'all know how we finish every

(01:05:22):
show we finished with a Wiley is a yeah, that's
brought to you by bet us. Why care about things
you don't care about? Simple? Is that? Take this the
right way? I hear this a lot. I don't even care. Man,

(01:05:44):
I don't like that. But I don't like that, but
I don't like them. But this is how I stay
out of smoke. This is how I stay out of
a lot of problems for real. And that's why I
could say what I'm gonna say and ain't nobody gonna
say nothing back. And that's why I can say what
I'm say, do what I want to do, go where
I want to go. Ain't nobody gonna do nothing until
they do? Right? But for real, it's because dog, one

(01:06:08):
thing about me is I don't care about nothing. I
don't care about I don't like Literally, people be coming
up to me with, hey man, you hear about that?
Like nah, oh man, check this out. I'm like, I
don't really care about that. Oh I know how on
me either? But what the body this? Why you don't care?
You know? I don't care? Why we gonna talk about

(01:06:30):
something we don't care about? Why are we wasting all
this good energy and time? All I got is time, man,
Come on, bruh. Like it's a lot of stuff I
do care about, But the stuff I don't care about,
I don't care about that wasting my time. Like talking
about that's like running backwards talking on man, how many
yards you gain? But I ain't even ran for it yet.
I ain't dieting, nothing positive, nothing I care about it.
I'm doing all the stuff I don't care about. Watch it.

(01:06:52):
I see. This is my this is my spidey sense,
this is my superpower. I'm very mindful. I'm listening. I'm like,
I listen a lot, talk a lot, but I listen more.
I'll be listen. I get on calls with people, don't
I let them talk for thirty minutes. I don't care.
I'm listening to everything you said. And then when you're done,
I'm still gonna say what I gotta say. Oh, it
don't matter, I'm gonna sell something. And I'd be like,

(01:07:13):
wait a minute, who are you talking about? Wizards? And
I just I just try to stay out the way. Man.
I grew up around too much damn craziness to now
still want and attract craziness like that's the something that
happened to me in school, and it happened to me
in the real world. When I saw people liking smoke,
liking craziness, liking static, I knew they didn't grow up

(01:07:33):
around no damn problems like me, and I dare to say,
not enough problems, because once you grow up around problems,
you don't want no problems. All these rappers be talking
about like, yeah, I'd be like, this sucks your fake ass,
all of them. Don't invite me to your studio. I'm
not coming, you fake, And if you really about that,
I'm definitely not coming because something gon happen to your

(01:07:53):
ass because you really about that life. Stay away from me, man,
miss me talking if you twenty, he's seven, thirty forty
years old. Still, what's up? What's up? Woolf Wolf? Who
you faking? For? More importantly, man, I'm good all right
over here, homie hollow at me when you just want

(01:08:15):
to go get a burger or one of them red
drink bourbons from Stay forty eight? They good, all right?
So just remember this, check your friends, check yourself. Why
care about things you don't care about? All right, y'all?
Got to do it. For More to It, check the
show notes for all the information on our topics today today.
Want to keep the conversation go on, Let's talk to
find me on all socials at Marcell's. Wiley More Too

(01:08:37):
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