September 22, 2023 • 45 mins
4:13 - Damien Lillard
11:06 - Deion Sanders
20:49 - Stephen A. vs T.O.
39:59 - Bonus Topic: Colin Cowherd's Blazing 5 Picks
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Colorado tops viewership record AGAIN because of the Prime Effect!!! Can they go further???
Why Colin Cowherd hasn’t picked a NFL winner this year! Why do you think??!
STEPHEN A. LYING ABOUT TERRELL OWENS ??? 🥊🥊🥊 But WHY??
Damian Lillard “will lose every game” before joining WARRIORS!! What is his opposition??
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to More to It to show the text
a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,
and culture.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Start with headline news and then journey to.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented
in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally, that
dude back at the crib, back in the locker room
where we only tell the truth, the whole truth and nutting,
but the truth feels good to be home.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Get to see my iddy biddies got back this morning
and they were already at school. So I'm trying to
hit the ground running and get some stuff done before
I got pick them up. We got football practice, we
got gymnastics. We gotta get it into it. But you
know how we start off this show every day with
what's up with that dude? Well, just got back from
atl Shawty. I was out there with the Danny word
(00:48):
full foundation. It had a pickle bowl yep, just like
it sounded pickle bowl, like the Super Bowl pickle ball.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And you know, I thought I was just going out.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There to show some love to Danny Whirldfore we both
came out the same year, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
He was drafted fourth round.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Y'all remember him, played about Danny got about five six
years in there, got about seven eight teams in there,
you know how it goes. I've been there before, like Danny,
and the great thing was just to see his foundation
make the pivot. They used to have the same old
chicken gala and the same old all right, let's have
a golf tournament. And then they went to pickleball and
(01:27):
literally have doubled their donations and their support was tremendous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So I get out there thinking, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Gonna be, you know, one of the midpac guys, former
athlete who plays pickleball, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So I'm all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's kind of far to play when I got one
in my backyard, but let's go to Atlanta to support
my dog.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And I get out there and dog, they they ain't
even lie to me. There weren't ringers out there.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
There were actual professionals out there, like, oh, you playing
with a pro, and every team gonna have a pro,
and some teams just gonna have two damn good players.
It could be pro if they weren't so busy, right,
And I'm like, God, I'm not lying to y'all, I
might of what there were twenty fourteen to forty eight players.
I might have left that thing. BCS ranked forty six,
(02:14):
maybe forty six. We got one win. I played with
a guy, his name is Jay w He's next level, insane,
fastest hands.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They say on the.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Pro tour, like, no matter how hard you hit it
at you go like this, Yeah, he go like this.
I was like, what the hell? He was insane and
a great person.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He didn't criticize me once because we lost four of
our five games, and let's just say it wasn't his fault, right,
So there are times when I wasn't even on the
court and we were playing better. It was crazy because
I go run chase the ball, my fat ass, This
big eighteen wheeler ain't slowing down.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So once I go that way, it's gonna take me
a minute to come back this way. Right. He on
the court by himself, boar, winning the points and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So obviously we didn't make the playoffs of you know,
if you go one and four, I don't think you're
making the playoffs. But I got a chance to commentate
the finals. A lot of guys out there obviously Danny
wirthfo David Pollack was out there, respect to him. Who
else did I see? Eric Decker was out there? He
could play. All these dudes could play way better than me.
(03:16):
Let me just keep saying that. But it was humbling.
And then let me know, I got to go in
my backyard a lot more. I got to invite a
lot more people over. We got to have more pickleball
socials and get a better group of friends that could play.
They out there, Actually they hit me up and I
always try to like avoid them, but no more, it's
time to pill you know, take that band a get
off dog and play the best because they were lighting
(03:37):
it up and.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Pick a ball. Old young.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
John Barry was out there. John Barry, his name Rick Barry.
I don't know who's the oldest of all the Barrys.
He's like seventy some years old. Anyway, he's a basketball
player and he was out there killing it sevent me something.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
He had a long way to go down to get
the balls in the dinkin right.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know, his elevator was faster than mine, but still
was like, go get the ball. So it was just
great to see man, respect to Danny work for in
the foundation everything. All right, let's get into this show
right now. Let's talk about somebody who's balling out of
control but doesn't know exactly where he's going to be balling.
That's Damian Lillard, who expressed his interest to leave Portland
(04:17):
to go to Miami, and then that got altered into
maybe going back to Portland or Miami. But it's certainly
not about going to Golden State. So the headlines are
now that he is not interested in joining the Golden
State Warriors. Now that's interesting in itself because it makes
me think of some things that maybe public reaction has
(04:41):
boxed these basketball players in to think in certain ways.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We'll talk about that life lesson at the end.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So he expressed his respect for the warriors achievements, said, hey,
who could sneeze at the dynasty that they've created all that,
But he doesn't see himself going there, especially after they've
won four championships to see what this is going, right,
So he wanted to go to Miami. Obousek, they got
the final say upstairs, so that decision is not ultimately
(05:09):
in Damian Lillard's hands. People forget sometimes, especially in the NBA,
because they seem like the star players more partners than
they do in the NFL, right, then they do.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In other sports. But remember they're still employees.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Highly paid employees, very influential employees, but powerful employees, but
still employees. So he needs them to sign off on this,
and the way it's been handled so far, they're a
little reluctant to doing that. Obviously they want to get
the best deal as well, but more than.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That, they don't want to set a president.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They don't want this all sudden to set president that
Damian Lillard, our guy, mister Loyal, all of a sudden
just woke up and said, I got to be out
of here, and we allowed it. So now the next guy,
who ain't even gonna be half as good as Damian Lillard,
think he got it like that, Oh he doesn't. So
ultimately this decision lies upstairs.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But Damian Lillard has talked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Let me get into this, all right, because have we
boxed Damian Lillard in think about it that he can't
now choose fully where he desires to play. Do you
think that's a part of this, because to me, that's problematic.
If so, now he hasn't said that. Some people are saying,
look the Golden State Warriors roster is aging. You know,
Steph Curry thirty five, and you got Draymond, you got
(06:29):
Clay with the one leg but coming back, but still
ain't all the way back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So it's just like, why would I want to go there? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And you add the cherry on top of they did
win four championships, so I wouldn't get the proper credit
or respect I deserve.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Huh. And it's crazy because there's a parallel.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He wants to go to Miami and going to Miami
even though they won.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
A championship of late.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now, obviously they won the championship with Lebron. Obviously they
won the championship before Lebron with the way. The thing
a funny thing about it is how Miami is not
perceived as being a great team like the Golden State
Warriors are, even though Miami was in the finals and
(07:14):
Golden State wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But gohods, State got that dynasty.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And he's actually going to a better team because he's
going to the Miami. He were in the finals, and
some would say the East is easier. So wait a minute,
Durant got lit up for going to a team that
won seventy three games, but we're in the finals and lost.
But we lit him up when he went there and
they won, and obviously he was the main reason they
(07:40):
were winning because he was winning the finals MVPs and
he was the best player on the team, despite Steph
Curry still being amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But we lit him up.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But it seems like Damien is trying to choose that
route and we're not gonna light him up because when
he said he wanted to go to Miami, nobody said
anything about it. Everybody like, go to Miami. If he
can do, get it with your muscle. If you can
get it, go get it. But we're looking like already
can see the reaction. All you gonna go and state
come on, dog, gonna state one. The Lakers be gonna
(08:09):
stay last year and the Lakers got swept by Denver.
So it's just weird, like how this Rubik's cube looks
in terms of perception not reality. He is literally going
to a better team right now and we gonna let
him slide versus going to the Dynasty, but not the
better team.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I'll have a problem with either one.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I have a problem that we as a sports fan
community picks one over the other. When we all grew
up the same damn way. All right, everybody free to
lune shoot all right first to make it captains. Okay, Dick,
who you got right or you just walked in and
everybody's all right, those are the two best players, y'all
captains because we don't want y'all on the same team.
(08:52):
So split y'all. Now you pick who is he gonna
pick first, the best player to make what the best team?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And it was no backla. That's with that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's just crazy, man, you know me. I'm up in
and there in his locker room just thinking it's kind
to unlearned that bs man, we penalizing these players for
going to certain spots because.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Of perception, not even reality.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I'm just wondering what y'all think about this whole situation.
What do you think is influencing Damian Lillar's decision? Why
Miami over Golden State or any other team out there,
Let's just be real, other teams out there.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Is it just simply you want to go to.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Miami, great city, dum and also they are a great team,
they were in the finals, but they're going to give
up something to get Damian Lillard that's the conversation. And
where do you think he ultimately opens up? Camp Portland, Miami?
Show him wet s. I made him a little rusty
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(09:49):
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Speaker 2 (10:37):
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All right, let's talk about the impact that Dion has
on the Colorado Buffalos and viewership for all the networks.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let's just say he's been a big draw, you know,
let's start there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But they're double time overtime, double overtime win over Colorado
State set a new record for ESPN, averaging nine point
three million viewers, fourth most watched regular season game on
ESPN or ABC in the last six years, and the
fifth most watched ESPN regular season game ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
(11:12):
got dark Deon out there getting it all right, So
we saw week one, Week two, they also have big
viewership numbers as well, seven point two and eight point
seven in those two weeks, and those were on Fox.
So now they're playing Oregon on ABC an hour. You
can add all them numbers up. Addruss me, you can
add all them numbers up and then boom this one.
(11:34):
Because I ain't gonna lie to y'all. When they played TCU,
I wasn't like a mandatory appointment viewing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But then when I heard they were up, I was like, oh, oh,
you know, and one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of those same thing when you saw Colorado State game,
I was like, Oh, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right and Nebraska. I ain't gonna lie it. I ain't
watched Somebraska, so.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm like, damn Oregon, and without Travis Hunter's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tight. But I'm gonna be watching it.
You know that everybody's watching that now. It's gonna be
a huge weekend of college football because Ohio State plays
Notre Dame as well. That's gonna be a big game,
probably gonna draw even more because of those two big
fan bases, those school spirits on full display. But why
(12:16):
is all this happening right now? I ain't gonna be
I ain't gonna draw this out too long. Ain't nobody
trying to hear viewer viewership numbers all damn day. Let
me tell you what's happening prime time. Deon Sanders is
just simply fascinating. Fascinating right, irresistible in terms of your
desire to just see what he's up to. He was
like that as a player, and he's like that as
(12:38):
a coach. Let me explain why. Because his behavior, his actions,
and the results all challenge us.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
In the ways that we do things.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Because the way he does things is deemed unconventional right,
just a little different. It challenges who we are at
the core our cultural values as we've been sold.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And told over the years. I mean, give it to you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It forces you to challenge your traditional values of how
you go out there and approach your task because of
the way that Dion does it, which is different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know, he gets drafted.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We all seen everybody get drafted, right, I got drafted.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Y'all saw that it was on CNN.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I got drafted, yay, or or whatever it may be,
whatever you've seen, or everybody doing some electric slide, whatever
you have seen to in the homeland suits, whatever you've done.
Seen how many times y'all haven't seen somebody get drafted
with nine hundred and thirty six gold chains on curl,
straight dripping and just looking like what and maybe laugh
(13:49):
and cough. Dion did it like that. And usually when
you see that, you think that guy is a character.
And when you see him as a character, admitted your
question how much you're gonna respect them because you want
to see the results, because you're like most people that
have that much sizzle don't have that much substance, just
the way we've been taught.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you watched Dian on the field.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Off the field, you're like, oh he talking it and
walking it?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What And that's why he's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So now we're all being challenged the way we go
up the mountain, and are you going up the mountain
authentically like you really desire to do it, or are
you doing it in a safe, socialized, conditioned manner just
to be measured because you're scared of the results and
it's risky and you know what if I fail and
dion I swear, he makes everyone who is connected to
(14:45):
him realize, Man, do it your way.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Ain't nobody gonna break you because they ain't make you.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right his famous quote that everybody has heard before, but uh,
it really resonates when you hear from him. So usually
people would ad smoke and mirror kind of guys. Right,
the sizzle displays aren't victorious consistently or they don't win consistently.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right Prime does on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Off the field, he does his sizzle and substance combination
is the thing that's taking all the excuses off the
board for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's what he does.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's why he's fascinating, That's why we all feel captivated
to watch him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I know I do.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm a dog and I'm me and I'm like, they
gotta be more to me. Then I kinda get more
of this out, like go get it. That dude is
doing it. He's like, look what you mean. I'm gonna
win and it's all good. And even if I don't win,
I'm still a winner, you know what I'm saying. And
that deep messaging is starting to resonate with all and
(15:51):
it's always been on display, but now he's transformed it
and translated it to a different way. From being the
play that had all that energy and bottled it up
and showed the world to now I can take this
message and through osmosis transferred to all these men that
I'm leading young men inspired, not just them us. We
(16:16):
are watching them, everybody just checking in and it's love.
And there's some people out there who love to hate them.
I know, I see Whitlocking and some other guys like that.
But guess what that's still bringing you in because now
you're realizing your force. Your criticism, can't condemn them, can't
undermine them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And that's beautiful too, Floyd Mayweather style, right.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So it's just something special about the guy who talks,
walks and just says, hey, I still want I did
it my way, and I think we're all starting to
just jump on board. I mean maybe not now, we
already did, but the point is it's amazing to watch.
And Dion Sanders is the guy that is the most
fascinating right now in our sports culture. Salute to your
(17:04):
damn salute brother. All right, so now let's get to
the real They beat now Oregon this weekend. Hell no,
I can't lie. I want to say, hell no, just
off of some reputation. This is the stuff that people
do on air, and I would have done it on
air too, But with y'all, I'm being real.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I ain't seen Oregon play. I've seen them highlights.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All I see is the same old thing, green and
yellow running fast.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
They're three on both sides of the ball. Oh they're
a story program. Now you know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
They're deeper. Deane brought in what fifty some new players.
They look deep too. Football always comes down to this, now,
how good you are, how well you play? So we'll
see how well they play. But how far can this
Colorado love go? You think it stops right now in
terms of the wins. But still I think the dynamic.
The phenomenon still goes because they play us see the
(17:51):
we gather the hell going on? Where do we see
this all going? So just beat it up in the
comments and have some fun with it. And it's funny
because Dion's like, Yo, what I'm building. It ain't going nowhere,
including my sons, they ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Y'all busting right here even next year.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Forget them NFL projections, Loving y'all, for all the love
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Speaker 2 (18:56):
Smith and Torretdoens.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, Now, since the subject alert, Since then the subject alert,
since to the subject alert? Why because these guys are
really taking this to heart as they should. Man, be
invested in your words, be invested in your craft. So
I'm invested in mind. So I'm going to take my
time and do this methodically, all right. So first let's
just get the science out the way. ESPN stephen A.
(19:21):
Smith and NFL Hall of Famer TiO, who should have
been the first ballot, still engaged in the heated social
media battle feud, and it's on YouTube as well, on
x et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They've been going at it. All stem from.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That twenty nineteen incident when Owens claimed that Max Killerman
was blacker or seemed blacker than him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We all seen the clip, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We they were talking about Colin Kaepernick, and he was like, man,
Max seene blacker.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Than you, laughing through it. But stephen A didn't find
any of that funny.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, So Owens last weekend reference to Cliff quote tweeted
it facts bunch of exclamation points, and Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Smith responded quickly. Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Smith has said since that he maybe maybe I don't
know yes or no, but basically he didn't feel that
he should have responded so fast or the way he did,
but he cast him sorry, pathetic ass and etc. And said,
don't make me go in and expose you. So that's
what Stephen A. Smith's response was. I think it's on
me on this show doing these clips not to always
(20:28):
bog you down with every single word and what they do,
because I'm trying to give you deeper intelligence just based
on my experience and the fact that I was privy
to being behind the veil, but more than that, also
give you an overview because I know the industry so
well and these individuals, so you can always research these things. Man,
I hate to be that guy, but these clips will
(20:48):
be fifty minutes long.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
If I did all of that. So then Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Smith responded as well, said their relationship got bad when
Owens attempted to.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sue him over a hit from that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Kellerment, a lawsuit that went nowhere and was deemed laughable.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay, so the science is out the way.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now I'm gonna start getting into my opinion and how
all this thing went down.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Here are my thoughts on steven A versus too.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
All right, you gotta start with me, right because every
conversation that is being had about this is being laced
with bias. My bias is not towards Teo or stephen A.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
My bias is towards this the industry. One of the
reasons why I'm in this locker room right now and
not on some glossy desk is because I didn't like
how the industry was rewarding reporters, analysts, hosts, journalists.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Wherever you want to call, whatever you want to call.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I wasn't loving how the industry was rewarding them to
eat their own and their own are the actual athletes,
the actual sports, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I didn't like the ethics of it, so that was
part of it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Now I'm not holier than now, and I'm sure I
stepped in it as well, But a couple of things
from that, I was like, is there a lane where
you don't have to come at cast like that and
still get it going and still make your bread, still
get your points across, and still be in the know
and still be popular and still get paid. Like it
gotta be right, because nobody grew up hate non athletes.
(22:19):
Matter of fact, you always saluted an athlete, wanting to
be him if you weren't him already, right, So just
thought it was weird, and I knew that that was
a culture because culture is what's rewarded, and because the
people getting rewarded are the ones who have more shot
jock than anybody. I was like, one, it ain't gonna
be me cause I ain't built that way, whether it's
because I'm an athlete or not, or just because that's
(22:40):
how I'm raised. I'm like, I ain't gonna beat that
dude up and then say how much y'am paying for it.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I wasn't gonna do that, so I knew.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I plateaued. I just knew that, and now was a
high as plateau. Trust me, don't feel sorry for me.
It was a high, and plateau I was like, I
ain't gonna never catch these dudes, and I'm a winner,
so I gotta go where I could go. I got
to talk to my people, because that's my best gift,
just talking it out, discussing, not debating, all right, So Now,
this is not about Stephen A. Or t O this
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clip that I'm doing right now, not at its core.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Follow me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
This is not an attack or support take. I'm not
picking a side. You may think I am, but I'm not.
This is much deeper. This is about me always trying
to discern, always trying to distinguish the truth from the lies.
Simple as that. So let me give you a while.
(23:35):
He is if you have heard this one before, I
love this one. The truth is simple and lies are complex.
This story is complex because it's full of lies. All right,
let's get into it, yl take it five minutes, stammen.
All right, this is all based on purposeful deception, largely
by Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Smith, if not entirely.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Now, why don't say entirely, because I don't know the
whole story, but I can tell you everything I know.
I will right now. Let's go through this quote first.
Let me jump around and get to this quote, because
this quote really sets it all up.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
We stopped talking because after you saw that hit from
Max Kellerman, Terrell always tried to sue me. Needless to say,
it was laughable. It never went anywhere. He wasn't getting
a damn dime which he was hoping to get. That's
why I was pissed off Saturday. Why would he get
lawyers involved looking for money? I wonder why y'all speculate
about that. Ooh, that was grinding. But the point is
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he tried to sue me.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Stephen A. Smith I quote.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
One thing that wasn't addressed in that quote is why
he tried to sue you. Okay, so let me just
clean this up because it's getting lost. He tried to
sue you because this all started when you published Too's
private text messages, and you knew that you were wrong
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in doing that, but now you're mad that he sued
you or tried to sue you, and twisted the story
to make people think he's only doing this because he's
hard for money or he needs attention. No, actually, Too
was minding his business, wanted to go on your show
(25:27):
because he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's too, wanted to talk Happenick did it.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Said that maxis blacker than you, which I've already said
will continue to say is wrong by Too.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But we know what he was trying to say as well.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And it was tongue in cheek and there were many
reactions that could have been had in that moment, but
we know the one that was taken.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So all of this.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Twisting, purposeful manipulation and deception of what really happened to
me what jay Z.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Said, it's just lame, man. This is lame. Not stephen
A is lame.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Stephen A is doing something lame and he knows it.
He knows damn well he was in the wrong. And
let me give it to you like this as I
break this thing down. He tried to sue me. The
first response, as he always loves to talk about journalists,
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it should be why. And I want to hear that
explanation as loud and long as I hear that he
tried to sue you. Okay, because what I'm seeing happening
right now is stephen A is telling a lie or
not the.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Full truth, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He's telling a lie and he's saying it the loudest
and he's saying it the longest. So therefore he and
some others are thinking that it is truth.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's not truth. This all started because of you doing
something that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Violated too, and lawyers came to too, saying, hey man,
that's in violation.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What would you like to do about that?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Now? I'm gonna LETEO tell his full story because I
don't know the full story, but I do know this
part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And even Stephen A. Smith he hadn't said this yet.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He might have to say it now after I put
this out there, or someone else puts it out there,
or t O tells it. Whatever, admit it that he
did that and that was wrong to publish those text messages.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Here's the funny thing is.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
He used as a reason, as an excuse, that he
thought that the text message.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Was a tweet, whoa night?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, here we go, open up y'all texts, all right,
look at it, open up y'all ex or Twitter, look
at Have you ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever thought
those two were the same.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Hell no, so one. I'm like, that is foul to even.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Act like that's the reason, when we know the real
reason is you were mad because to touched the third rail.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
In Steven A. Smith's core. He questioned your.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Blackness, and Stephen that you ain't the first one who
has a platform who has gone counterculture in some conversation,
who has been called to sellout.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Rajia hann If you've been in that position before.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And at the same time, don't have to have this
type of reaction. You put those messages. You put that
message out because he triggered you. He got you and
hit dog holler.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's okay, God, we know, we see and that's what happened.
So now, Stephen A. Smith, instead of just saying I
was wrong putting out the message. You know what he says.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
In my whole entire career, I've never ever put off
the record conversation out there, but you did, and then
to clean it up just and so you can reconcile
the fact that you've never done this even though you
just did it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You say, I thought it was a tweet. You can't
make this out, man, you can't make this out.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Okay, there are other things to this, So let me
just kind of like give you some other layers. He
called too desperate and trifling. But it isn't showing somebody's
private text message and trying to throw yourself a life
raft and doing it. Isn't that desperate trifling?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Isn't it a little desperate of trifling to like get
a pile of papers and say these papers tell me
everything about you? Too, like you showing a foul of
to that we don't even know what it's saying on
the foul, but who cares?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And even if it's true, what are you the fans like? Woo?
And once again I'm gonna reiterate, this is not against
stephen A.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Smith y'all cauld say it is. This is about the
truth and the truth I'll set you free, and the
truth is who I ride with. All my boys know this.
I have said bad things about dudes I love. I've
said bad things about every single person I've worked with before.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Ask them. I don't know why, because sometime they weren't
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
To simples that I am not perfect. Call me out
when you want to call me out. But boy, I
got a heavy tendency to go with the truth, right
you know, I'm on the goal line, I run the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Were talking. I'm telling the truth. So here we go, insummation.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You're trying to say you're mad he tried to sue
you because he's broke, but you even ad.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Minute that you knew that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But you were wrong privately, and more so, you only
violated aired his and your private texts just to make
him look bad and you look good. Not a lot
of people are privileged to catch that. Raise your hand
if you are, I am. We now all see to
switch your route now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Smith wants us to believe everything he's saying, even though
his story continues to weave, just like this story on
Max Kellerman continued to weave. I've known this story. I've
witnessed how that went down for years. I didn't cap
for Max.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I cap for the truth, y'all, and the truth was,
did the dude dirty?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's okay, Max is fine. He gonna be all right.
You gonna be alright because you are all right right,
But we can't act like t O didn't trigger you
because you've heard you were sellout. I've heard I'm gonna
sell out. Welcome to the part. If you say something
against your culture, everybody is a sell out, no matter
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what your race and ethnicity is.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Come on, man, this ain't new. Wherever the crowd goes.
If you say I'm gonna turn this other way, everybody
gonna be on your head. Right, we know that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But at the same time, that doesn't mean you get
to drag others just because they are trying to drag you.
Stand strong. If you said it, mean it, you know.
If that's your stance, stand in your stance. So I
didn't like that part. I can continue to keep.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Going on this.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But the only other thing I think that's profound, just
to give you some understanding, is kind of like looking
at the layers of it. I want stephen A to
just keep it real, brother, you know, keep it real,
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so we all could go back to just being entertained
by your greatness, man, Like I'm entertained by steven A,
as simple as that. Okay, And even if he's mad
at this or think I'm coming at him, Dan, stop
you know damn where I ain't spoke one lie yet
instead of stopping, you're making us all stop down and
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being entertained by your greatness and number one show and
big platform because everyone's liedar is going off. Yeah, you're
a lidar, like when you ever just be talking about
your light ark what that don't make sense?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Don't add up.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That's why he keeps trying to clean up Max because
the light rs beat beat me, don't make sense, don't
make sense, and the lid r and is t oh
meet me, hit dogs, holler, Man, I ain't mad at it,
so what I want to see is one not for
them to squash this.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I don't believe in that all the time. Talk it
out and talk it out of public. Shoe y'all started
this in public, finishing in public. Don't do that. I'm
not tripping on any of that. All I say is,
don't let it go overboard and overboard his hands overboard
is trying to get him in trouble hits. Just talk, man,
the truth gonna win. We can see we ain't stupid.
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That's all I want to see in this situation. Now
for y'all to beat up in the conversation and the comments,
your thoughts on this, just your overall thoughts. And do
you think that Stephen A, since he has that platform
and too has his platform, should be arguing like this
in public?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Ord you want them people like man just call him
up and just do. But it's weird to me. I
can't agree with that because they go at these.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Athletes that they don't want to. They don't want to
pick up the phone and call him. They just go
in on them. And it's not always on performance to
stop backing like it is. So if you're gonna do that, hey,
what's up? Like I told you guys. I got back
into the game in this dimension, in this form, this
version of media, because I wanted to talk directly with you,
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not to you. I got into it this way because
I wanted to go deeper on subjects. I don't want
to just talk about the Jets gonna win by two
or not. I want to do that, but I want
to do a lot more. I don't want borders on
what I'm talking about. So I'm going to cover sports
just like stephen A cover sports. But I'm also gonna
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cover those who cover sports. And that's the new wrinkle
in today's media. I hope that ready, because if you're lying,
might start crying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
This is love, man.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's gonna be interesting to see what happens, how they
continue this or they just dead this. But all the
reactions that could have been. You could have laughed this off,
You could have dead it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You could have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You could have just been like, yo, that was wrong
and foul. We ain't cool. And I will never speak
to you again. I'll never speak on this again. But
this just keeps scratching at the sky for a reason.
It's because the truth has not been fully let out.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Hopefully this gives you.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Clarity and understanding on it and then you take it
where you got you just loving y'all be cause y'all
love this and what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Look at that back back back back, back back back.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Chris Berman, love right there, Project Transition dot Org go there,
long on, leave you email?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
How hard is that? Just want you to be a
part of the community, part of the team. Hell man.
You can also leave a.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Donation, donation, donation I thought I was a track me stupid.
You can leave a donation there, or you can leave
a recurring donation to always be a part of the family.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Help these kids, man develop their.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Inner power so they could amplify for the world to see,
to unlock their true potential.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All right, let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
When Colin Coward's blazing five picks, we know that segment,
regular segment on the show during the NFL season. Well,
Colin Coward right now and week one, win oh and five,
Week two, O four and one. I'm not picking on
Collin because I'm gonna tell yall why he's going.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Oh was that oh four oh nine and one? Hey,
all right, let's start off here.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Cowards philosophy has been that commentators don't necessarily need to
be accurate as long as they're interesting, right, And his
current streak is certainly generating intrigue around this week three selection,
and we're all kind of like picking up on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
If he were nailing them, we'd be like dog Colin Kilden.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And if he's doing what he's doing right now, oh
nine and one, we're like, damn, we got to see
next week if he's gonna get a win.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right, So either way you win, he wins at least,
and we're interested in it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Let me tell you why these picks probably are not
going well, and let me just tell you why most
of them don't. And let me just tell you the
process of how they even get our picks. It's a
very low, very low priority in terms of prep In
terms of preparation, right, you're doing a show, you three
hours show, the blazing five picks is at the bottom
(37:49):
of the menu. In terms of what we're talking about. Right,
you're still doing your homework, whatever it may be. But
let me just tell you for real, from my perspective,
I've seen it where it's almost like at times filling
out a multiple choice tests when you don't know any
of the information. You don't know any of the damn
answers you ever been there. And the worst is when
(38:10):
it says all the above, you're like, oh, I don't
know any of the above, let alone all the above.
So that's why it goes like this. It's just a
low priority. This is not a shot of calm. This
is just opportunity to tell y'all how it goes. You know,
I've seen it before where they're like, all, we got
to pick them segment, Come on, guys, come on, turn
in your second, and then it's literally the home teams
and the wait teams and cast me included me first
(38:34):
included I ain't gonna put nobody out there bad.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I go like this Jets, Okay, I got Broncos. Oh no,
I ain't gonna win now.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
No, They're like, y'all that's it, man.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So it's funny how much weight y'all think the sports
commentators should put on these picks, and how much weight
do y'all put on the commentator's picks, Like are y'all.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really going uh? To the app? Are y'all going to Vegas?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like? Yo, you're a college sess son, My whole not
because wherever is doing that, they go ninety one right now, right,
So it's just funny. And do you think there's real
pressure for us to do it? Do you think we
need to step it up? I'll tell you the reason.
I'm also bringing this segment up because I have a
sponsor that is in this lane and we're gonna start
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having some fun with it.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And I promise I'm a prep for it.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
But more than that, we're gonna have some fun engaging
with it all the way.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
All right, now, I'm gonna change my background. I like
doing it this way.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Shoot, let's go funk up some comments, fuck up some
commis shit, get out my emails, y'all. I know y'all
knows he answers. All right, here we go, let's talk
about that. All right, here we go. Let me block it.
Dionna is in the ideal situation for him. Now, he's
building something special there as he did in Jackson State.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, mister Marty Wearing that was deep. All right.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
If I'm dion I'm staying. If he stays, he could
be governor of Colorado. I think you want to do that.
Senator or a congressman for Colorado. He could literally build
a family dynasty legacy in that state, like a Bush
family when they left Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Oh interesting for Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
It's the same reason why we people stay in some
of the poorest states or provinces. The billionaire McCain family
of the French Fried Frame still live in New Bruns.
With Canada, you want to be a just just one
of many prints or one of a kN king good point.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The biggest mistakes Vince Carter and Kawhi Leonard ever made
was leaving the Toronto Raptors. There could have been guys
in Canada the entire country, both during their playing career
and long after, but decided to leave now and you
have to think they regret it. Kawhi was offered free
penthouses and Kawhi and Dines Kawhi eats free.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Good point. You must be from Canada for real. You
broke all that Canada stuff down. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I think the doubleheader games are our ways the NFL
is trying to best to maximize his profits, because having
as many national televised games is pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Good way to go about it, all right.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Talking about Deshaun Watson, Marcella she broke it down precisely.
DeShawn is definitely now confused. He would never be the
old DeShawn. I don't know about never, y'all. His reputation
has been tarnished forever.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I wish him well, but this is definitely want to
be a long road. At least he got the bag
all facts. I don't accept the never part. You could
turn it around, but you gotta admit it. You gotta
go get it. You gotta go in there man, all right,
Nick Chubb, I watched the joke Diisman injury live.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Back in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
That was gruesome, and they replayed it several times on
Monday Night Football that night and throughout the week on
the news. You were cringe every time you saw it.
I'm glad they didn't replay it last night. I want
to see the replay. If you don't want to watch it,
do this.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's done. Oh no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I mean, there's no right or wrong, but it's like
part of the games football. I'm not a fan of
either team, but they should replay so you can see
that the defenders should be fined and may be suspended
for launching himself towards the knee and not trying to
hit the mid body.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah. I think it's just.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It gives clarity, Like it gives me as a player,
as a participant, like clarity of like try to avoid that,
you know, just supple. All right, here we go, death
threats and the death at the Patriots game. It's terrible
the man died, but freak accidents happened. Men punch each
other sometimes the time it results in death is so
rare it's statistically insignificant. I wouldn't make this a comment
(42:07):
on society. It's interesting you say that, because consequences, you know,
they matter. Man, The results matter. Like if I hit
you and you laugh at it, versus I hit you
you die from it. I think I'm gonna have a
different course of action going forward, right, I think I'm
gonna have different recourse, different consequences. Sorry, just the way
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the game goes, all right, y'all know how we finish
every show.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
We finish with a Wilism. Yeah. I don't have Coach's
voice right now, but we got practice tonight.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You can have anything you want if you stop believing
you can't have it. You can have anything you want
if you stop believing you can't have it. Well, if
that ain't the crux of all issues faith belief, that's it,
because it's gonna keep you going, it's gonna keep you
getting to it and getting through. I'm challenged with this
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one so many times where I'm like, and it's weird
because it's not in your face. It's like the second
line of defense. It's always like in the back end
of the thought, do you really believe you can do it?
Because you have great ideas, you got great stuff on paper,
you know a great team of people. You can make
this work. And then challenges are presented because that's how
(43:24):
the game goes. Are you fighting through them? And then
your level of fight is really determined how much you
believe that you deserve this, and do you stop believing
you can't do it?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Man, just to get to it?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's crazy, Oh man, I mean everything I'll ever accomplish
has gone through this exact crossroad of I can go
to the NFL. I better stop thinking I can't go
to the NFL. But then you're like, but don't put
all your eggs in the basket. But then you're like, oh,
don't you go out there and start heading your bets.
It's crazy, right, But that's the dynamic. That's the God
(44:02):
and the devil, right, that's the light in the darkness.
That's the way this world is balanced. And you got
to make sure that you rigid in your favor. And
the only way you're riggad is taking that belief system
and putting it in favor of what you're trying to get.
If you don't, it will work against you and you
will believe you can't have it, so you can have anything, anything,
(44:29):
for real, because then you'll be the person like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Know why they got all that and they doing all that. Man,
I'm better than them, or I could do that.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
One thing you have not quantified, and it's impossible to
really quantify. You only quantify it by results. You don't
quantify it by emotional attributes. But you don't know how
much they believe in themselves or how much they believe
they can do that.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
You don't. You just see the results of it. You
just see the work ethic.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You see that, but you don't know because some people
really work hard, don't belie They just like the only
way I know how you ever seen a robot that
worked really hard?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Nothing on the inside.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Nothing thinking about right, robotic people like just going going,
I'm doing it, I'm doing I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Do you believe you can do it? Huh?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
So remember this, no matter what the goal is, what
you want to accomplish, you can have anything, anything you
want if you stop believing you can't have it.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
All Right, y'all gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
For more to It, check the show notes for all
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a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,
and culture.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Start with headline news and then journey to.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented
in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally, that
dude back at the crib, back in the locker room
where we only tell the truth, the whole truth and nutting,
but the truth feels good to be home.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Get to see my iddy biddies got back this morning
and they were already at school. So I'm trying to
hit the ground running and get some stuff done before
I got pick them up. We got football practice, we
got gymnastics. We gotta get it into it. But you
know how we start off this show every day with
what's up with that dude? Well, just got back from
atl Shawty. I was out there with the Danny word
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full foundation. It had a pickle bowl yep, just like
it sounded pickle bowl, like the Super Bowl pickle ball.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And you know, I thought I was just going out.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
There to show some love to Danny Whirldfore we both
came out the same year, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
He was drafted fourth round.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Y'all remember him, played about Danny got about five six
years in there, got about seven eight teams in there,
you know how it goes. I've been there before, like Danny,
and the great thing was just to see his foundation
make the pivot. They used to have the same old
chicken gala and the same old all right, let's have
a golf tournament. And then they went to pickleball and
(01:27):
literally have doubled their donations and their support was tremendous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So I get out there thinking, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Gonna be, you know, one of the midpac guys, former
athlete who plays pickleball, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So I'm all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's kind of far to play when I got one
in my backyard, but let's go to Atlanta to support
my dog.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And I get out there and dog, they they ain't
even lie to me. There weren't ringers out there.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
There were actual professionals out there, like, oh, you playing
with a pro, and every team gonna have a pro,
and some teams just gonna have two damn good players.
It could be pro if they weren't so busy, right,
And I'm like, God, I'm not lying to y'all, I
might of what there were twenty fourteen to forty eight players.
I might have left that thing. BCS ranked forty six,
(02:14):
maybe forty six. We got one win. I played with
a guy, his name is Jay w He's next level, insane,
fastest hands.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
They say on the.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Pro tour, like, no matter how hard you hit it
at you go like this, Yeah, he go like this.
I was like, what the hell? He was insane and
a great person.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He didn't criticize me once because we lost four of
our five games, and let's just say it wasn't his fault, right,
So there are times when I wasn't even on the
court and we were playing better. It was crazy because
I go run chase the ball, my fat ass, This
big eighteen wheeler ain't slowing down.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So once I go that way, it's gonna take me
a minute to come back this way. Right. He on
the court by himself, boar, winning the points and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So obviously we didn't make the playoffs of you know,
if you go one and four, I don't think you're
making the playoffs. But I got a chance to commentate
the finals. A lot of guys out there obviously Danny
wirthfo David Pollack was out there, respect to him. Who
else did I see? Eric Decker was out there? He
could play. All these dudes could play way better than me.
(03:16):
Let me just keep saying that. But it was humbling.
And then let me know, I got to go in
my backyard a lot more. I got to invite a
lot more people over. We got to have more pickleball
socials and get a better group of friends that could play.
They out there, Actually they hit me up and I
always try to like avoid them, but no more, it's
time to pill you know, take that band a get
off dog and play the best because they were lighting
(03:37):
it up and.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Pick a ball. Old young.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
John Barry was out there. John Barry, his name Rick Barry.
I don't know who's the oldest of all the Barrys.
He's like seventy some years old. Anyway, he's a basketball
player and he was out there killing it sevent me something.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
He had a long way to go down to get
the balls in the dinkin right.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know, his elevator was faster than mine, but still
was like, go get the ball. So it was just
great to see man, respect to Danny work for in
the foundation everything. All right, let's get into this show
right now. Let's talk about somebody who's balling out of
control but doesn't know exactly where he's going to be balling.
That's Damian Lillard, who expressed his interest to leave Portland
(04:17):
to go to Miami, and then that got altered into
maybe going back to Portland or Miami. But it's certainly
not about going to Golden State. So the headlines are
now that he is not interested in joining the Golden
State Warriors. Now that's interesting in itself because it makes
me think of some things that maybe public reaction has
(04:41):
boxed these basketball players in to think in certain ways.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We'll talk about that life lesson at the end.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So he expressed his respect for the warriors achievements, said, hey,
who could sneeze at the dynasty that they've created all that,
But he doesn't see himself going there, especially after they've
won four championships to see what this is going, right,
So he wanted to go to Miami. Obousek, they got
the final say upstairs, so that decision is not ultimately
(05:09):
in Damian Lillard's hands. People forget sometimes, especially in the NBA,
because they seem like the star players more partners than
they do in the NFL, right, then they do.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
In other sports. But remember they're still employees.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Highly paid employees, very influential employees, but powerful employees, but
still employees. So he needs them to sign off on this,
and the way it's been handled so far, they're a
little reluctant to doing that. Obviously they want to get
the best deal as well, but more than.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That, they don't want to set a president.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They don't want this all sudden to set president that
Damian Lillard, our guy, mister Loyal, all of a sudden
just woke up and said, I got to be out
of here, and we allowed it. So now the next guy,
who ain't even gonna be half as good as Damian Lillard,
think he got it like that, Oh he doesn't. So
ultimately this decision lies upstairs.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But Damian Lillard has talked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Let me get into this, all right, because have we
boxed Damian Lillard in think about it that he can't
now choose fully where he desires to play. Do you
think that's a part of this, because to me, that's problematic.
If so, now he hasn't said that. Some people are saying,
look the Golden State Warriors roster is aging. You know,
Steph Curry thirty five, and you got Draymond, you got
(06:29):
Clay with the one leg but coming back, but still
ain't all the way back.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So it's just like, why would I want to go there? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And you add the cherry on top of they did
win four championships, so I wouldn't get the proper credit
or respect I deserve.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Huh. And it's crazy because there's a parallel.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He wants to go to Miami and going to Miami
even though they won.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
A championship of late.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now, obviously they won the championship with Lebron. Obviously they
won the championship before Lebron with the way. The thing
a funny thing about it is how Miami is not
perceived as being a great team like the Golden State
Warriors are, even though Miami was in the finals and
(07:14):
Golden State wasn't.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But gohods, State got that dynasty.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And he's actually going to a better team because he's
going to the Miami. He were in the finals, and
some would say the East is easier. So wait a minute,
Durant got lit up for going to a team that
won seventy three games, but we're in the finals and lost.
But we lit him up when he went there and
they won, and obviously he was the main reason they
(07:40):
were winning because he was winning the finals MVPs and
he was the best player on the team, despite Steph
Curry still being amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
But we lit him up.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But it seems like Damien is trying to choose that
route and we're not gonna light him up because when
he said he wanted to go to Miami, nobody said
anything about it. Everybody like, go to Miami. If he
can do, get it with your muscle. If you can
get it, go get it. But we're looking like already
can see the reaction. All you gonna go and state
come on, dog, gonna state one. The Lakers be gonna
(08:09):
stay last year and the Lakers got swept by Denver.
So it's just weird, like how this Rubik's cube looks
in terms of perception not reality. He is literally going
to a better team right now and we gonna let
him slide versus going to the Dynasty, but not the
better team.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I'll have a problem with either one.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I have a problem that we as a sports fan
community picks one over the other. When we all grew
up the same damn way. All right, everybody free to
lune shoot all right first to make it captains. Okay, Dick,
who you got right or you just walked in and
everybody's all right, those are the two best players, y'all
captains because we don't want y'all on the same team.
(08:52):
So split y'all. Now you pick who is he gonna
pick first, the best player to make what the best team?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And it was no backla. That's with that.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's just crazy, man, you know me. I'm up in
and there in his locker room just thinking it's kind
to unlearned that bs man, we penalizing these players for
going to certain spots because.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Of perception, not even reality.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I'm just wondering what y'all think about this whole situation.
What do you think is influencing Damian Lillar's decision? Why
Miami over Golden State or any other team out there,
Let's just be real, other teams out there.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Is it just simply you want to go to.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Miami, great city, dum and also they are a great team,
they were in the finals, but they're going to give
up something to get Damian Lillard that's the conversation. And
where do you think he ultimately opens up? Camp Portland, Miami?
Show him wet s. I made him a little rusty
cause I ain't even show y'all my book. Y'all know
(09:49):
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Speaker 2 (10:37):
Trying to make with these kids.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
All right, let's talk about the impact that Dion has
on the Colorado Buffalos and viewership for all the networks.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let's just say he's been a big draw, you know,
let's start there.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But they're double time overtime, double overtime win over Colorado
State set a new record for ESPN, averaging nine point
three million viewers, fourth most watched regular season game on
ESPN or ABC in the last six years, and the
fifth most watched ESPN regular season game ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
(11:12):
got dark Deon out there getting it all right, So
we saw week one, Week two, they also have big
viewership numbers as well, seven point two and eight point
seven in those two weeks, and those were on Fox.
So now they're playing Oregon on ABC an hour. You
can add all them numbers up. Addruss me, you can
add all them numbers up and then boom this one.
(11:34):
Because I ain't gonna lie to y'all. When they played TCU,
I wasn't like a mandatory appointment viewing.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But then when I heard they were up, I was like, oh, oh,
you know, and one.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of those same thing when you saw Colorado State game,
I was like, Oh, what's going on.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right and Nebraska. I ain't gonna lie it. I ain't
watched Somebraska, so.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm like, damn Oregon, and without Travis Hunter's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tight. But I'm gonna be watching it.
You know that everybody's watching that now. It's gonna be
a huge weekend of college football because Ohio State plays
Notre Dame as well. That's gonna be a big game,
probably gonna draw even more because of those two big
fan bases, those school spirits on full display. But why
(12:16):
is all this happening right now? I ain't gonna be
I ain't gonna draw this out too long. Ain't nobody
trying to hear viewer viewership numbers all damn day. Let
me tell you what's happening prime time. Deon Sanders is
just simply fascinating. Fascinating right, irresistible in terms of your
desire to just see what he's up to. He was
like that as a player, and he's like that as
(12:38):
a coach. Let me explain why. Because his behavior, his actions,
and the results all challenge us.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
In the ways that we do things.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Because the way he does things is deemed unconventional right,
just a little different. It challenges who we are at
the core our cultural values as we've been sold.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And told over the years. I mean, give it to you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
It forces you to challenge your traditional values of how
you go out there and approach your task because of
the way that Dion does it, which is different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know, he gets drafted.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We all seen everybody get drafted, right, I got drafted.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Y'all saw that it was on CNN.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I got drafted, yay, or or whatever it may be,
whatever you've seen, or everybody doing some electric slide, whatever
you have seen to in the homeland suits, whatever you've done.
Seen how many times y'all haven't seen somebody get drafted
with nine hundred and thirty six gold chains on curl,
straight dripping and just looking like what and maybe laugh
(13:49):
and cough. Dion did it like that. And usually when
you see that, you think that guy is a character.
And when you see him as a character, admitted your
question how much you're gonna respect them because you want
to see the results, because you're like most people that
have that much sizzle don't have that much substance, just
the way we've been taught.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And then you watched Dian on the field.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Off the field, you're like, oh he talking it and
walking it?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What And that's why he's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So now we're all being challenged the way we go
up the mountain, and are you going up the mountain
authentically like you really desire to do it, or are
you doing it in a safe, socialized, conditioned manner just
to be measured because you're scared of the results and
it's risky and you know what if I fail and
dion I swear, he makes everyone who is connected to
(14:45):
him realize, Man, do it your way.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Ain't nobody gonna break you because they ain't make you.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right his famous quote that everybody has heard before, but uh,
it really resonates when you hear from him. So usually
people would ad smoke and mirror kind of guys. Right,
the sizzle displays aren't victorious consistently or they don't win consistently.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Right Prime does on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Off the field, he does his sizzle and substance combination
is the thing that's taking all the excuses off the
board for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's what he does.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's why he's fascinating, That's why we all feel captivated
to watch him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I know I do.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm a dog and I'm me and I'm like, they
gotta be more to me. Then I kinda get more
of this out, like go get it. That dude is
doing it. He's like, look what you mean. I'm gonna
win and it's all good. And even if I don't win,
I'm still a winner, you know what I'm saying. And
that deep messaging is starting to resonate with all and
(15:51):
it's always been on display, but now he's transformed it
and translated it to a different way. From being the
play that had all that energy and bottled it up
and showed the world to now I can take this
message and through osmosis transferred to all these men that
I'm leading young men inspired, not just them us. We
(16:16):
are watching them, everybody just checking in and it's love.
And there's some people out there who love to hate them.
I know, I see Whitlocking and some other guys like that.
But guess what that's still bringing you in because now
you're realizing your force. Your criticism, can't condemn them, can't
undermine them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And that's beautiful too, Floyd Mayweather style, right.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So it's just something special about the guy who talks,
walks and just says, hey, I still want I did
it my way, and I think we're all starting to
just jump on board. I mean maybe not now, we
already did, but the point is it's amazing to watch.
And Dion Sanders is the guy that is the most
fascinating right now in our sports culture. Salute to your
(17:04):
damn salute brother. All right, so now let's get to
the real They beat now Oregon this weekend. Hell no,
I can't lie. I want to say, hell no, just
off of some reputation. This is the stuff that people
do on air, and I would have done it on
air too, But with y'all, I'm being real.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I ain't seen Oregon play. I've seen them highlights.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All I see is the same old thing, green and
yellow running fast.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
They're three on both sides of the ball. Oh they're
a story program. Now you know.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
They're deeper. Deane brought in what fifty some new players.
They look deep too. Football always comes down to this, now,
how good you are, how well you play? So we'll
see how well they play. But how far can this
Colorado love go? You think it stops right now in
terms of the wins. But still I think the dynamic.
The phenomenon still goes because they play us see the
(17:51):
we gather the hell going on? Where do we see
this all going? So just beat it up in the
comments and have some fun with it. And it's funny
because Dion's like, Yo, what I'm building. It ain't going nowhere,
including my sons, they ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Y'all busting right here even next year.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Forget them NFL projections, Loving y'all, for all the love
y'all got for your boy over here and all the.
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level is all love. All right, Let's talk about stephen A.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Smith and Torretdoens.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, Now, since the subject alert, Since then the subject alert,
since to the subject alert? Why because these guys are
really taking this to heart as they should. Man, be
invested in your words, be invested in your craft. So
I'm invested in mind. So I'm going to take my
time and do this methodically, all right. So first let's
just get the science out the way. ESPN stephen A.
(19:21):
Smith and NFL Hall of Famer TiO, who should have
been the first ballot, still engaged in the heated social
media battle feud, and it's on YouTube as well, on
x et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
They've been going at it. All stem from.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That twenty nineteen incident when Owens claimed that Max Killerman
was blacker or seemed blacker than him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We all seen the clip, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We they were talking about Colin Kaepernick, and he was like, man,
Max seene blacker.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Than you, laughing through it. But stephen A didn't find
any of that funny.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, So Owens last weekend reference to Cliff quote tweeted
it facts bunch of exclamation points, and Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Smith responded quickly. Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Smith has said since that he maybe maybe I don't
know yes or no, but basically he didn't feel that
he should have responded so fast or the way he did,
but he cast him sorry, pathetic ass and etc. And said,
don't make me go in and expose you. So that's
what Stephen A. Smith's response was. I think it's on
me on this show doing these clips not to always
(20:28):
bog you down with every single word and what they do,
because I'm trying to give you deeper intelligence just based
on my experience and the fact that I was privy
to being behind the veil, but more than that, also
give you an overview because I know the industry so
well and these individuals, so you can always research these things. Man,
I hate to be that guy, but these clips will
(20:48):
be fifty minutes long.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
If I did all of that. So then Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Smith responded as well, said their relationship got bad when
Owens attempted to.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Sue him over a hit from that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Kellerment, a lawsuit that went nowhere and was deemed laughable.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay, so the science is out the way.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now I'm gonna start getting into my opinion and how
all this thing went down.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Here are my thoughts on steven A versus too.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
All right, you gotta start with me, right because every
conversation that is being had about this is being laced
with bias. My bias is not towards Teo or stephen A.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
My bias is towards this the industry. One of the
reasons why I'm in this locker room right now and
not on some glossy desk is because I didn't like
how the industry was rewarding reporters, analysts, hosts, journalists.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Wherever you want to call, whatever you want to call.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I wasn't loving how the industry was rewarding them to
eat their own and their own are the actual athletes,
the actual sports, right.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I didn't like the ethics of it, so that was
part of it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Now I'm not holier than now, and I'm sure I
stepped in it as well, But a couple of things
from that, I was like, is there a lane where
you don't have to come at cast like that and
still get it going and still make your bread, still
get your points across, and still be in the know
and still be popular and still get paid. Like it
gotta be right, because nobody grew up hate non athletes.
(22:19):
Matter of fact, you always saluted an athlete, wanting to
be him if you weren't him already, right, So just
thought it was weird, and I knew that that was
a culture because culture is what's rewarded, and because the
people getting rewarded are the ones who have more shot
jock than anybody. I was like, one, it ain't gonna
be me cause I ain't built that way, whether it's
because I'm an athlete or not, or just because that's
(22:40):
how I'm raised. I'm like, I ain't gonna beat that
dude up and then say how much y'am paying for it.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I wasn't gonna do that, so I knew.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I plateaued. I just knew that, and now was a
high as plateau. Trust me, don't feel sorry for me.
It was a high, and plateau I was like, I
ain't gonna never catch these dudes, and I'm a winner,
so I gotta go where I could go. I got
to talk to my people, because that's my best gift,
just talking it out, discussing, not debating, all right, So Now,
this is not about Stephen A. Or t O this
(23:09):
clip that I'm doing right now, not at its core.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Follow me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
This is not an attack or support take. I'm not
picking a side. You may think I am, but I'm not.
This is much deeper. This is about me always trying
to discern, always trying to distinguish the truth from the lies.
Simple as that. So let me give you a while.
(23:35):
He is if you have heard this one before, I
love this one. The truth is simple and lies are complex.
This story is complex because it's full of lies. All right,
let's get into it, yl take it five minutes, stammen.
All right, this is all based on purposeful deception, largely
by Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Smith, if not entirely.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Now, why don't say entirely, because I don't know the
whole story, but I can tell you everything I know.
I will right now. Let's go through this quote first.
Let me jump around and get to this quote, because
this quote really sets it all up.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
We stopped talking because after you saw that hit from
Max Kellerman, Terrell always tried to sue me. Needless to say,
it was laughable. It never went anywhere. He wasn't getting
a damn dime which he was hoping to get. That's
why I was pissed off Saturday. Why would he get
lawyers involved looking for money? I wonder why y'all speculate
about that. Ooh, that was grinding. But the point is
(24:32):
he tried to sue me.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Stephen A. Smith I quote.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
One thing that wasn't addressed in that quote is why
he tried to sue you. Okay, so let me just
clean this up because it's getting lost. He tried to
sue you because this all started when you published Too's
private text messages, and you knew that you were wrong
(25:02):
in doing that, but now you're mad that he sued
you or tried to sue you, and twisted the story
to make people think he's only doing this because he's
hard for money or he needs attention. No, actually, Too
was minding his business, wanted to go on your show
(25:27):
because he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's too, wanted to talk Happenick did it.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Said that maxis blacker than you, which I've already said
will continue to say is wrong by Too.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
But we know what he was trying to say as well.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And it was tongue in cheek and there were many
reactions that could have been had in that moment, but
we know the one that was taken.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So all of this.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Twisting, purposeful manipulation and deception of what really happened to
me what jay Z.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Said, it's just lame, man. This is lame. Not stephen
A is lame.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Stephen A is doing something lame and he knows it.
He knows damn well he was in the wrong. And
let me give it to you like this as I
break this thing down. He tried to sue me. The
first response, as he always loves to talk about journalists,
(26:28):
it should be why. And I want to hear that
explanation as loud and long as I hear that he
tried to sue you. Okay, because what I'm seeing happening
right now is stephen A is telling a lie or
not the.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Full truth, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He's telling a lie and he's saying it the loudest
and he's saying it the longest. So therefore he and
some others are thinking that it is truth.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's not truth. This all started because of you doing
something that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Violated too, and lawyers came to too, saying, hey man,
that's in violation.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What would you like to do about that?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Now? I'm gonna LETEO tell his full story because I
don't know the full story, but I do know this
part of it.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And even Stephen A. Smith he hadn't said this yet.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He might have to say it now after I put
this out there, or someone else puts it out there,
or t O tells it. Whatever, admit it that he
did that and that was wrong to publish those text messages.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Here's the funny thing is.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
He used as a reason, as an excuse, that he
thought that the text message.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Was a tweet, whoa night?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, here we go, open up y'all texts, all right,
look at it, open up y'all ex or Twitter, look
at Have you ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever thought
those two were the same.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Hell no, so one. I'm like, that is foul to even.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Act like that's the reason, when we know the real
reason is you were mad because to touched the third rail.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
In Steven A. Smith's core. He questioned your.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Blackness, and Stephen that you ain't the first one who
has a platform who has gone counterculture in some conversation,
who has been called to sellout.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Rajia hann If you've been in that position before.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And at the same time, don't have to have this
type of reaction. You put those messages. You put that
message out because he triggered you. He got you and
hit dog holler.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's okay, God, we know, we see and that's what happened.
So now, Stephen A. Smith, instead of just saying I
was wrong putting out the message. You know what he says.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
In my whole entire career, I've never ever put off
the record conversation out there, but you did, and then
to clean it up just and so you can reconcile
the fact that you've never done this even though you
just did it.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You say, I thought it was a tweet. You can't
make this out, man, you can't make this out.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Okay, there are other things to this, So let me
just kind of like give you some other layers. He
called too desperate and trifling. But it isn't showing somebody's
private text message and trying to throw yourself a life
raft and doing it. Isn't that desperate trifling?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Isn't it a little desperate of trifling to like get
a pile of papers and say these papers tell me
everything about you? Too, like you showing a foul of
to that we don't even know what it's saying on
the foul, but who cares?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And even if it's true, what are you the fans like? Woo?
And once again I'm gonna reiterate, this is not against
stephen A.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Smith y'all cauld say it is. This is about the
truth and the truth I'll set you free, and the
truth is who I ride with. All my boys know this.
I have said bad things about dudes I love. I've
said bad things about every single person I've worked with before.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Ask them. I don't know why, because sometime they weren't
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
To simples that I am not perfect. Call me out
when you want to call me out. But boy, I
got a heavy tendency to go with the truth, right
you know, I'm on the goal line, I run the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Were talking. I'm telling the truth. So here we go, insummation.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
You're trying to say you're mad he tried to sue
you because he's broke, but you even ad.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Minute that you knew that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
But you were wrong privately, and more so, you only
violated aired his and your private texts just to make
him look bad and you look good. Not a lot
of people are privileged to catch that. Raise your hand
if you are, I am. We now all see to
switch your route now.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Smith wants us to believe everything he's saying, even though
his story continues to weave, just like this story on
Max Kellerman continued to weave. I've known this story. I've
witnessed how that went down for years. I didn't cap
for Max.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I cap for the truth, y'all, and the truth was,
did the dude dirty?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's okay, Max is fine. He gonna be all right.
You gonna be alright because you are all right right,
But we can't act like t O didn't trigger you
because you've heard you were sellout. I've heard I'm gonna
sell out. Welcome to the part. If you say something
against your culture, everybody is a sell out, no matter
(32:04):
what your race and ethnicity is.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Come on, man, this ain't new. Wherever the crowd goes.
If you say I'm gonna turn this other way, everybody
gonna be on your head. Right, we know that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But at the same time, that doesn't mean you get
to drag others just because they are trying to drag you.
Stand strong. If you said it, mean it, you know.
If that's your stance, stand in your stance. So I
didn't like that part. I can continue to keep.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Going on this.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But the only other thing I think that's profound, just
to give you some understanding, is kind of like looking
at the layers of it. I want stephen A to
just keep it real, brother, you know, keep it real,
(32:55):
so we all could go back to just being entertained
by your greatness, man, Like I'm entertained by steven A,
as simple as that. Okay, And even if he's mad
at this or think I'm coming at him, Dan, stop
you know damn where I ain't spoke one lie yet
instead of stopping, you're making us all stop down and
(33:16):
being entertained by your greatness and number one show and
big platform because everyone's liedar is going off. Yeah, you're
a lidar, like when you ever just be talking about
your light ark what that don't make sense?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Don't add up.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
That's why he keeps trying to clean up Max because
the light rs beat beat me, don't make sense, don't
make sense, and the lid r and is t oh
meet me, hit dogs, holler, Man, I ain't mad at it,
so what I want to see is one not for
them to squash this.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I don't believe in that all the time. Talk it
out and talk it out of public. Shoe y'all started
this in public, finishing in public. Don't do that. I'm
not tripping on any of that. All I say is,
don't let it go overboard and overboard his hands overboard
is trying to get him in trouble hits. Just talk, man,
the truth gonna win. We can see we ain't stupid.
(34:09):
That's all I want to see in this situation. Now
for y'all to beat up in the conversation and the comments,
your thoughts on this, just your overall thoughts. And do
you think that Stephen A, since he has that platform
and too has his platform, should be arguing like this
in public?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Ord you want them people like man just call him
up and just do. But it's weird to me. I
can't agree with that because they go at these.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Athletes that they don't want to. They don't want to
pick up the phone and call him. They just go
in on them. And it's not always on performance to
stop backing like it is. So if you're gonna do that, hey,
what's up? Like I told you guys. I got back
into the game in this dimension, in this form, this
version of media, because I wanted to talk directly with you,
(34:50):
not to you. I got into it this way because
I wanted to go deeper on subjects. I don't want
to just talk about the Jets gonna win by two
or not. I want to do that, but I want
to do a lot more. I don't want borders on
what I'm talking about. So I'm going to cover sports
just like stephen A cover sports. But I'm also gonna
(35:13):
cover those who cover sports. And that's the new wrinkle
in today's media. I hope that ready, because if you're lying,
might start crying.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
This is love, man.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's gonna be interesting to see what happens, how they
continue this or they just dead this. But all the
reactions that could have been. You could have laughed this off,
You could have dead it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You could have I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
You could have just been like, yo, that was wrong
and foul. We ain't cool. And I will never speak
to you again. I'll never speak on this again. But
this just keeps scratching at the sky for a reason.
It's because the truth has not been fully let out.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Hopefully this gives you.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Clarity and understanding on it and then you take it
where you got you just loving y'all be cause y'all
love this and what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Look at that back back back back, back back back.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Chris Berman, love right there, Project Transition dot Org go there,
long on, leave you email?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
How hard is that? Just want you to be a
part of the community, part of the team. Hell man.
You can also leave a.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Donation, donation, donation I thought I was a track me stupid.
You can leave a donation there, or you can leave
a recurring donation to always be a part of the family.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Help these kids, man develop their.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Inner power so they could amplify for the world to see,
to unlock their true potential.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
All right, let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
When Colin Coward's blazing five picks, we know that segment,
regular segment on the show during the NFL season. Well,
Colin Coward right now and week one, win oh and five,
Week two, O four and one. I'm not picking on
Collin because I'm gonna tell yall why he's going.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Oh was that oh four oh nine and one? Hey,
all right, let's start off here.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Cowards philosophy has been that commentators don't necessarily need to
be accurate as long as they're interesting, right, And his
current streak is certainly generating intrigue around this week three selection,
and we're all kind of like picking up on.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
If he were nailing them, we'd be like dog Colin Kilden.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And if he's doing what he's doing right now, oh
nine and one, we're like, damn, we got to see
next week if he's gonna get a win.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right, So either way you win, he wins at least,
and we're interested in it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Let me tell you why these picks probably are not
going well, and let me just tell you why most
of them don't. And let me just tell you the
process of how they even get our picks. It's a
very low, very low priority in terms of prep In
terms of preparation, right, you're doing a show, you three
hours show, the blazing five picks is at the bottom
(37:49):
of the menu. In terms of what we're talking about. Right,
you're still doing your homework, whatever it may be. But
let me just tell you for real, from my perspective,
I've seen it where it's almost like at times filling
out a multiple choice tests when you don't know any
of the information. You don't know any of the damn
answers you ever been there. And the worst is when
(38:10):
it says all the above, you're like, oh, I don't
know any of the above, let alone all the above.
So that's why it goes like this. It's just a
low priority. This is not a shot of calm. This
is just opportunity to tell y'all how it goes. You know,
I've seen it before where they're like, all, we got
to pick them segment, Come on, guys, come on, turn
in your second, and then it's literally the home teams
and the wait teams and cast me included me first
(38:34):
included I ain't gonna put nobody out there bad.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
I go like this Jets, Okay, I got Broncos. Oh no,
I ain't gonna win now.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
No, They're like, y'all that's it, man.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
So it's funny how much weight y'all think the sports
commentators should put on these picks, and how much weight
do y'all put on the commentator's picks, Like are y'all.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really going uh? To the app? Are y'all going to Vegas?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like? Yo, you're a college sess son, My whole not
because wherever is doing that, they go ninety one right now, right,
So it's just funny. And do you think there's real
pressure for us to do it? Do you think we
need to step it up? I'll tell you the reason.
I'm also bringing this segment up because I have a
sponsor that is in this lane and we're gonna start
(39:16):
having some fun with it.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
And I promise I'm a prep for it.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
But more than that, we're gonna have some fun engaging
with it all the way.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
All right, now, I'm gonna change my background. I like
doing it this way.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Shoot, let's go funk up some comments, fuck up some
commis shit, get out my emails, y'all. I know y'all
knows he answers. All right, here we go, let's talk
about that. All right, here we go. Let me block it.
Dionna is in the ideal situation for him. Now, he's
building something special there as he did in Jackson State.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, mister Marty Wearing that was deep. All right.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
If I'm dion I'm staying. If he stays, he could
be governor of Colorado. I think you want to do that.
Senator or a congressman for Colorado. He could literally build
a family dynasty legacy in that state, like a Bush
family when they left Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Oh interesting for Texas.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
It's the same reason why we people stay in some
of the poorest states or provinces. The billionaire McCain family
of the French Fried Frame still live in New Bruns.
With Canada, you want to be a just just one
of many prints or one of a kN king good point.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Excuse me.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The biggest mistakes Vince Carter and Kawhi Leonard ever made
was leaving the Toronto Raptors. There could have been guys
in Canada the entire country, both during their playing career
and long after, but decided to leave now and you
have to think they regret it. Kawhi was offered free
penthouses and Kawhi and Dines Kawhi eats free.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Good point. You must be from Canada for real. You
broke all that Canada stuff down. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I think the doubleheader games are our ways the NFL
is trying to best to maximize his profits, because having
as many national televised games is pretty.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Good way to go about it, all right.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Talking about Deshaun Watson, Marcella she broke it down precisely.
DeShawn is definitely now confused. He would never be the
old DeShawn. I don't know about never, y'all. His reputation
has been tarnished forever.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I wish him well, but this is definitely want to
be a long road. At least he got the bag
all facts. I don't accept the never part. You could
turn it around, but you gotta admit it. You gotta
go get it. You gotta go in there man, all right,
Nick Chubb, I watched the joke Diisman injury live.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Back in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
That was gruesome, and they replayed it several times on
Monday Night Football that night and throughout the week on
the news. You were cringe every time you saw it.
I'm glad they didn't replay it last night. I want
to see the replay. If you don't want to watch it,
do this.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's done. Oh no, I get it.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I mean, there's no right or wrong, but it's like
part of the games football. I'm not a fan of
either team, but they should replay so you can see
that the defenders should be fined and may be suspended
for launching himself towards the knee and not trying to
hit the mid body.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah. I think it's just.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It gives clarity, Like it gives me as a player,
as a participant, like clarity of like try to avoid that,
you know, just supple. All right, here we go, death
threats and the death at the Patriots game. It's terrible
the man died, but freak accidents happened. Men punch each
other sometimes the time it results in death is so
rare it's statistically insignificant. I wouldn't make this a comment
(42:07):
on society. It's interesting you say that, because consequences, you know,
they matter. Man, The results matter. Like if I hit
you and you laugh at it, versus I hit you
you die from it. I think I'm gonna have a
different course of action going forward, right, I think I'm
gonna have different recourse, different consequences. Sorry, just the way
(42:30):
the game goes, all right, y'all know how we finish
every show.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
We finish with a Wilism. Yeah. I don't have Coach's
voice right now, but we got practice tonight.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
You can have anything you want if you stop believing
you can't have it. You can have anything you want
if you stop believing you can't have it. Well, if
that ain't the crux of all issues faith belief, that's it,
because it's gonna keep you going, it's gonna keep you
getting to it and getting through. I'm challenged with this
(43:03):
one so many times where I'm like, and it's weird
because it's not in your face. It's like the second
line of defense. It's always like in the back end
of the thought, do you really believe you can do it?
Because you have great ideas, you got great stuff on paper,
you know a great team of people. You can make
this work. And then challenges are presented because that's how
(43:24):
the game goes. Are you fighting through them? And then
your level of fight is really determined how much you
believe that you deserve this, and do you stop believing
you can't do it?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Man, just to get to it?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's crazy, Oh man, I mean everything I'll ever accomplish
has gone through this exact crossroad of I can go
to the NFL. I better stop thinking I can't go
to the NFL. But then you're like, but don't put
all your eggs in the basket. But then you're like, oh,
don't you go out there and start heading your bets.
It's crazy, right, But that's the dynamic. That's the God
(44:02):
and the devil, right, that's the light in the darkness.
That's the way this world is balanced. And you got
to make sure that you rigid in your favor. And
the only way you're riggad is taking that belief system
and putting it in favor of what you're trying to get.
If you don't, it will work against you and you
will believe you can't have it, so you can have anything, anything,
(44:29):
for real, because then you'll be the person like, I don't.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Know why they got all that and they doing all that. Man,
I'm better than them, or I could do that.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
One thing you have not quantified, and it's impossible to
really quantify. You only quantify it by results. You don't
quantify it by emotional attributes. But you don't know how
much they believe in themselves or how much they believe
they can do that.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
You don't. You just see the results of it. You
just see the work ethic.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You see that, but you don't know because some people
really work hard, don't belie They just like the only
way I know how you ever seen a robot that
worked really hard?
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Nothing on the inside.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Nothing thinking about right, robotic people like just going going,
I'm doing it, I'm doing I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Do you believe you can do it? Huh?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
So remember this, no matter what the goal is, what
you want to accomplish, you can have anything, anything you
want if you stop believing you can't have it.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
All Right, y'all gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
For more to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today today. Want to keep
the conversation going, Let's talk to find me on all
socials at Marcello's. Wiley More Too is a production of
Dan Patrick Production That Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show
is executive produced by Dan Patrick Marcello's while Paul Anderson
and Nick Ponella.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Thanks for all the.
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Love, ratings, and subscriptions and reviews membership to Wiley's World
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