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you guys. It so love for you. Like I said, man,
I had a weekend. It seemed like sports media had
a weekend as well. We lost our first game in football.

(01:50):
Don't feel bad for us, don't feel bad for us
at all. Oh no, we have so many mental mistakes,
including myself. Right, I have my guys doing underhand on
one possession when it's supposed to be overhand, the difference
between running and passing in this league. I had a
mental error. I had a penalty in my head, right,
and then the guys out there, it's just our first

(02:11):
game together, just a little rusty. Now I'm saying all that,
but guess what we did. We lost eighteen to twenty
one to the best team in our division, and they
were good. Lord, I'm looking at them boys like I
could take a little of that, a little of that,
make that work. But they had a squad been together
for a few seasons and they're older. So I ain't

(02:33):
tell my kids any of this because I don't want
them making excuses. But I went out there like, discount
double check. I need to discount this game right now
because this one's gonna hurt. But it was a great
learning lesson and humbled our guys. A few of our
attitudes started to walk on clouds because they're not used
to losing, but they forget they lost the game last
year and then they saw that same team.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
In the championship game and beat them thirty to zero.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
So looking forward to hopefully that being the same foreshadowing,
but we'll see. We got a lot of work to do,
and since they're getting older, you gotta throw the ball, dog.
I was like, damn. I was like, I mean, you
really got through the ball. I like, I know, we
gotta throw it, but it is seven O seven pass leave.
I was like, damn, we gotta throw it. And let's

(03:17):
just say, the way our quarterback and our receivers work,
it doesn't always work out that way. No team, I
mean the team we played yesterday, they had this. They
were running a scramble package basically like their quarterback will
get the ball, said, I throw it to the running back,
so now you can't rush them with time, so he
can do whatever he wants. He was just breaking the
pocket and then either throwing it or taking off himself

(03:39):
because now he's the running back, not the quarterback, not.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
The boy you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
But it was just fun to see, even in the loss,
that it was so much to learn.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I stayed up all night thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
So it is own. I can't wait for our next game.
What else happened? I know, I like, I'm in a
good spirit, but I'm celebrating life. Went to Canada and
had at a funeral. That's why there was no show
on Friday. We went to the celebration of life. But
my mother in law and my wife and her two sisters,

(04:09):
great hostess of a great ceremony, and you know how
it goes now. I think a lot of these celebrations
of life just bring the family together, the friends and family,
everyone that they've touched that can be in attendance. And
then after that, you know, you got the slide show
where the tears are flowing and you just reflect over
their entire life. And it's so sad when you see

(04:32):
someone she died, she was in her sixties, thinks like sixty.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Five, and they passed away.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
And then you see a slide show and you see
them when they're six or five, and you're like, damn.
And then you're watching your little kids run around not
paying attention, not really having the full gravity of the moment.
And my son is eight and my daughter's four and three,
and you're like, I told my wife in support of her,
I said, baby lits, just live this life to the

(04:58):
fullest part of that slide show right before we have
our own slide show, and we all gonna have our
own slide show.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So we had to tell the kids that morning.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I'm glad we waited all the way to that time
because they had the context of that moment to really
let their emotions out. And as expected, MJ was tough,
but he cried. Mariah was not tough. She even tried
to do it. She's the one that shows all her
emotions on her sleeve. The four year old and our
three year old just she was like, why did grandma die?

(05:28):
And why is she in the sky? Asking real heartfelt questions,
but then two seconds later just playing life like normal.
So all that love, man, those roller coaster emotions this weekend,
all right, just get into some sports that get some
sports media, because not only do I cover sports like
everyone else, but I cover those who cover sports like
no one else does. Right, let's do it. T O

(05:49):
won't smoke, Yeah, he wants all the smoke. He went
on All the Smoke with Matt Barnes and Steven Jackson.
Shout out to those guys, my homies. So it was
good to see because I knew this was in the making.
I didn't want to let the cat out the bag.
That's not my role. I'm not Adam Schefter. I'm Blefter.
Adam Blefter. They used to call me when I would

(06:11):
break news and get in trouble for it.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
But now it's not my turn.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's not my time to break the news, but it's
my time to talk about what I heard and separating
parts the truth from the fake. So To went on
the show, got a tremendous platform. We know on showtime
all the smoke with those two guys, and good for
them for just kudos for opening it up. Because to
doesn't have his podcast anymore. He used to have his podcast,

(06:37):
Get Your Popcorn Ready, He had that one, but no
longer has it, so he doesn't have the same reaching platform.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So he got this opportunity to.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Talk about it. And the thing that he talked about,
if you guys watch it, it's about a ten minute clip.
He was really addressing just how stephen A and how
ESPN has miscarriedterized him and really got his name out
there in a bad light for many and many of years.
And this is just a straw that broke the camel's back,

(07:10):
him calling stephen A out and saying that Maxine Blacker
than him, a couple of things that really stuck out
to me. The beats of what happened. Let's just go
through the science of it. We all know. This all
started when he went on Steven A. Smith's show first
take and said that to stephen A. Smith, which I
thought was very foul because now you're define what black is.

(07:31):
But I understood what he was saying in the kind
of a figurative way, even though I don't agree with
him literally, and I don't want to go down that
lane where we start to designate what someone is based
on their expressions. Right, you're acting white, you're acting black,
like we should really be far away from that, even
though we know what that still means.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
So they gave him the floor, they allowed him to.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Speak, and you could tell that they were being good navigators,
good hosts, but being open minded to it because I'm
sure they got a relationship.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
With Steven A.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Smith as well, and when you don't have both parties
there as the hoster, you really want to take a side.
But they did step into a couple of moments and say, yeah,
that wasn't right, especially the moment when Too talked about
Stephen A. Smith out in his private messages. Okay, So
props to them for giving them the megaphone, prop for

(08:21):
them for just say allowing you to speak. This is
the platform, do you. We got you back in that respect,
But we're not gonna shoot for you, right, We ain't
gonna grab a gun for you.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You got to talk about what you talk about. Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
So the main thing that I heard was mister never personal.
Who is Steven A. Smith who swears by that like
he's never ever gotten personal with somebody, but then had
to retract that when he started to be real about
the Kyrie Irvin situation.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Mister never personal in his own code also.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Said that he never ever outs anyone private text messages,
private conversations. But I'm looking forward to him saying that
he actually did that in this conversation because Too broke
it down. Now I can confirm what To is talking
about in terms of he did air his private messages,
which we know is a violation, which we know breaks

(09:14):
the code, which we know is a big mistake. And
Stephen A. Smith even admitted that privately. Here's the worst
part about it all that he admitted it privately to Too. Yeah,
my bad for doing that. I thought it was a tweet,
not a text, but then publicly never ever saying he
apologized to Too for doing that. But worse than that,

(09:35):
actually twisting it to seem like To was on the
money grab a witch hunt, ambulance chase to get some
dope because he's hurting for some cash, and it could
it all started with like, man, I messed up out
of your messages and that wasn't right, and I shouldn't
have done that. And the only reason I really did that,
if I'm really be real, is because you had your

(09:56):
foot on my neck.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
For calling me not as black as Max.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So he really did it out of a desperation attempt
to kind of shift the conversation because he was getting
boxed in and he was getting beat down by the
public criticism of Too. Was right, y'all did that too,
Stephen Ay, You guys made stephen A all of a
sudden have to come out and now twist this story
on Too to make him look like he's a tension

(10:20):
horn or he's out for the money grab, when really
it was just nah, dog, we were talking privately about
something and you didn't have to put that out there
about that. Hey, if you want to talk about Max
Saint blacker than you and Nanna, I'm here for that.
I was on your show right then when you talked
about it, I brought it up. So that was the
only thing I really got from it. And it's interesting
because that's where we are right now, and I feel

(10:44):
good telling the truth about these situations and still walking
up to Steven A and anybody else saying what's up, Dog,
love for you for real for what you do. But
when I see the violations, I guess somebody got to
be the referee in this game of sports media because
it's not happening like you think it is. So To
brought light to that. I think this story is dead now.

(11:04):
I can't imagine stephen A. Smith wanting to talk about
this anymore because I'm gonna be real. I don't think
I'm gonna talk about this anymore unless there's another layer.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
But we got it. Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Smith was on his show Invited Too Too, called Max
Blacker than him. He too had a battery in his
back because he felt that he was hearing that from
the streets. Stephen A said that was a huge violation,
which he was. I thought it was dead in that moment,
but it wasn't. Instead, stephen A started to act out
on Max because that talking about it hit Dog that

(11:38):
hollow and then he started acting out on Max as
he tried to check to in that moment. But To
wasn't really full throttled with that comment. He was like, Yo,
I heard this and I kinda think that and the
way you reacted now, I think it might be real.
But the worst part about this was not that the
worst part about this was out in some Pride messages

(12:00):
just to try and get the leg up on t O,
trying to win the conversation, trying to win the public criticism,
and then clowning Max in the process, getting Max off
the show and did apologizing the too privately, but then
publicly trying to clown them and never still apologizing the
too publicly like you did privately. I've seen the receipts.
It's interesting Matt and Stack started receipts as well. So hey, like,

(12:24):
like Matt and Stack said, I come here in peace,
but it seems like we're gonna leave this story in
pieces because it ain't gonna ever ever come together. Hope.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
You guys just worked that out.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And obviously you know, even though he went on all
the smoke, no smoke from this, Okay, no hands, no
real actions, y'all, just Wolf if y'all want to loving
you the way I do, I have never sounded this
good after coaching a game that lets you know how
measured I was yesterday. Maybe it was on me that

(12:53):
we lost because I ain't yell enough. I ain't yelling
at them boys enough. Nah, it's all uh man. Three
point loss. We lost just because we ain't converted in
our extra points and we got to pick six, which
they say automatic six instead of giving you a chance
to get one or two points after that.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So no excuses.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
We lost. Took a hell of them. Boys were good.
I hate to say, you know what I want to say,
boys have they had more. They had more boys than us.
So let's just say that and men out there. So
we're gonna we're gonna step our game up. We're gonna
win between the Ears as well. All right, let's talk
about Oregon, who tried to win that game before the
game started between the Ears, and we saw it work.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yes, the effect of that speech from Dan Lenning.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Let's talk about it, because going into this game, we
was Oregon a.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Twenty plus point underdog. We saw that before with TCU,
so we were like, oh.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
They can overcome that as well, because TCU was in
the National Championship game. Even though they got boat raced,
they got clowned up in there. Still we were like
Colorado Dion, they got a shot. I told y'all last
week I didn't think they had a shot one year
without Travis Hunter. It's not just because he plays one
hundred and twenty snaps and he goes both ways, is
just because he's your best player. And you think about

(14:04):
a game whereas mind over matter, which football really becomes
when you all qualify, it becomes a game of mental
mind over matter. It becomes that kind of mentality when
you lose your top dog. Guys that defeated, they don't
want to admit it, they don't want to say it,
they don't act like it, but you're gonna see it
out there on the field. It's just that simple because

(14:26):
without that guy who can just ignite everyone, who gonna
like the fire And it's not because you don't have
other good players out there, but it's just you know
that you're missing that fire starter. Versus going against Oregon,
a story program now that is.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sitting there and their depth chart.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
What you got to look at is not only Colorado
win in there without their best player, but they also
don't have the meat of their team like they need
up front in the trenches.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
They ain't got the big dogs.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Just shit. The difference between the story programs and college
football and the ones who just over there trying to
tread water are the big dogs Everybody could go find
somebody that running four to four on the edges.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Everybody could go find them.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Some fast kids from New Orleans and Florida and California.
Everybody has those. Look at college football, I don't care
what program. Look at the cornerbacks and the receivers. They
all they all just could run. They lanky, they got muscled.
Everybody got those. Who has the six ' five three
tens that still can move under sub five? Right? Who

(15:33):
got those guys? On offense? The lineman the Michigan you
know what I mean, like a Michigan offense. The lineman
is all grown as land, right, who has those guys?
And Dion even knows that he was underhanded, undermanned in
that situation, and he didn't have what he needed. He
didn't had a big dog. So this is what this

(15:55):
game was a built on. Now, in that moment, you
got the perfect setup if you're Dion to go out
there and beat Oregon and come on, well.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Guess who else also has the perfect setup?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oregon? Because Oregon is sitting there coming watching the hype
machine come in, and this became a classic battle of
flash versus Hype. Now, Oregon doesn't like the label being flashed,
but they are flash.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
She now flash.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
She is mad that hype came in here with that
much noise when they know that they ain't got the
boys to support that. So what does Dan Lanning do?
Something genius? Oh he puts his foot on their neck
before the game even started. All right, So here's a
couple of quotes from him. He said in his pregame speech.

(16:45):
And you know, and I'm not gonna take anything away
from it, because this is what you're supposed to do.
You see somebody down, you stomp them out. He said,
quote root it in substance, not flash. Root it in substance. Today,
we with our pads, We talk with your helmet every moment.
That's what he said at that speech. Cinderella story is over. Man.

(17:10):
They're fighting for clicks, we're fighting for wins. There's a difference.
This game ain't gonna be played in Hollywood. It's gonna
be played on the grass. Let me go through that
real quick, little beat by beating Rooted in substance is
the harshest part of that, because he's saying the height
that surround them ain't about nothing. Now, he said, it's

(17:34):
not flash. When Oregon with their ninety eight thousand uniforms
is about flash too, But I digress. But when he
says it's rooted in substance, he basically like, this is
gonna be football, and that is why I loved about
this message. He separated the signal from the noise. He said, Hey,
they could talk all they want, and people could talk
for them all they want. When you go out there

(17:55):
in football, there's a moment of truth right here.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
What you're gonna do? You ready for this?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
And this ain't about your uniform, then this ain't about
who your coach is.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Then this ain't about what.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Your sunglasses is doing in terms of merchandise sales. Then
this ain't about none of that. This is about who
gonna run through that wall, and that's it. So he
brought all.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Of that to a head.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
But the shot in that was that Oregon is now
rooted in substance. Okay. So then they caught up with
him after that famous speech and it went viral immediately,
as it should have. He says, I hope all those
people that have been watching every week or watching this week.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yet that's what he said at halftime.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
He wasn't done recruiting, and he wasn't done piling it
on in terms of not only conversation, but the.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Points on Colorado.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Okay, let's go inside to huddle, Let's go inside to him,
and I'm gonna take y'all really there, Okay, because I'm
loving this passion.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm loving the fire that he possesses.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
But the thing that I don't love is what are
you burning in that fire? Because what he put on
there was not all of his Oregon fighting ducks, wood
and fuel.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
He didn't put all of their fuel on there.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
He used a lot of Colorado's would a lot of
Colorado's fuel to burn Oregon's fire?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Keep game, Now, that's a dangerous game to play.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
You got your boys up for this game because they
were up for this game. They were up for this
game because they saw this coming and coach amplified what
was coming all this noise.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now, why did Oregon get that hype for this game?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's not just because they're that much better than Colorado,
and I really think they they're that much better, as
even Dion said, give me now, you're better, Get me
right now because it's the worst we're gonna beat.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But more, why.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Did they get so up for that game, because, as
they say in psychology, the things you get most angered
by are the things you're most guilty of.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oregon, no, damn well, they flashy in full of hype.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Now Oregon also knows somebody came in with even more
hype than them, and they looking around like, dog, that's
our that's our lady, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
They want to do more than that. They want to
win a national title. They want to win it all.
But they know, damn well, we're gonna be captivating. Damn well,
we're gonna have ninety seven uniforms. Damn well, we're gonna
have color chain shoes. It's crazy in that game. I
heard about the color Change shoes after the game, not
before the game, because before the game all we were
talking about was Colorado. And then right before kickoff that

(20:40):
speech what happened to the uniforms of the color.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Change and all that.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
That's how Oregon usually gets hyped up. They got muffled, right,
they got muzzled. They ain't get they ain't get what
they wanted.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Now here we go.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
So now we got a dangerous game because we got
Colorado coming in with the same ammunition and fuel that
Orgon typically uses and coach knew that. So coach try
to make his team feel like we are more substance
than they are just because they're out hyping us. He
tried to do that switch route. It worked too. I
like it all right, So here we go. Anybody who

(21:15):
has ever played has had this epiphany in sports.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Just think about Bill Belichick, the greatest coach ever in
football history.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah I said it. I can't tell right now. Kind of.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
The greatest epiphany you get in sports is when you
realize it's not about them, it's about us.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's not about how they play, it's how we play.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Remember that when you finally learned that, because at first
you were like, oh man, I'm playing against them, and
if they play bad, we're gonna win. And then you
start realizing that's good. But what's great is, and what's
reliable is, and what I can continue to repeat is
we play well, we good. And that's the dangerous game

(21:59):
that Dan in this player, he playing the game of Oregon.
Get up for Colorado. Why because they trying to beat
us in our own game. Okay, now, coach, we're going
to get up with some other people and they ain't
playing that game.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
They playing a greater game of.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Substance that you just told us that we were rooted
in against Colorado.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
But we only need more.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Substance than them because they ain't seem all hype to you.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You can't get us up every week like that coach,
what you gonna do next week?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
And I'm sure he got another trick up his sleeve,
or be careful trying to play this game with them.
So you told everybody that you are not full of hype,
full of flash. Oregon, the same Oregon that has never
won a national title. This is no shots, but let's
just be real. At least Colorado's won one nine conference

(22:49):
championships since nineteen sixty four, nine fifty eight tries, and
y'all won nine conference championships.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I love to switch your rule, but I'm gonna be real.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
If I'm a player on that team, I'm like, all right, coach,
you went to that place. That place ain't gonna be
long for us. You know our schedule, we still gotta
see some real dogs. Look, we're a top program, We've
been a top program for a while.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
When we gonna get over this hump.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And it's interesting because coach Day Lena has been bought
fourteen and three of things since he's been there, so
it ain't like he ain't out there when But when
are they gonna get over the hump? When are they
gonna get beyond the hype and have the substance of
doing it all instead of just piecing this together. So
I just saw it was just a hype machine versus
a flash machine, and I love how Flash turned it

(23:41):
on to use it as fuel to get them to
where they had to go or gonna look good though,
say what you want, but Coach could have said what
he wanted and still got the same result.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
This is the craziest thing about it all.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Everybody's giving that speech all the credit for getting those
guys that hype to go there, okay, but willing to
say that Coach could have went out there before the
game and set his ABC's and because they got them
dogs up front, they would have won that game, probably
by the same amount, probably by the same measure. So
I just saw that as if I'm a player, I'm

(24:14):
not eye rolling Coach, but I'm like, oh, we playing
that game, okay, Well, when we play the substance teams.
I'm looking forward to the substance free game speech, because
I don't think I'm gonna hear it.

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Speaker 1 (25:21):
You know what I'm saying. We got that love. Let's
talk about stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharp their interview
on The stephen A. Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Right, loved it loved it. I really did.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Respect for both of these guys for holding it down
at the top. Even if I take issue with any
of them or any of the things they say, it's
never with them the person. Frankly, that's not how I'm built.
I talk about the act, not the act or but
let's talk about these acts right here, because there are
a few things that really stood out to me.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
The first thing is when I saw that they had
an interview, I was like, oh wow, interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So either A Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Smith went to Joe Butten's podcast and was really doing
the whole Shannon was pushed out of FS one undisputed
it as a trailer a teaser for this interview, or
B which is worse. Oops, I did I said that,
and because of all of the negative reaction and criticism,

(26:21):
I need to deal an interview with Shannon real quick
to let him clear there right whatever. I don't know
their calendar, I don't know they books. I'm not even
gonna speculate, but it was one of the other. Either Stephen,
they ain't the homie like that, or that's what kind
of homie he really is, which ain't the homie I
like it? Is telling my business like that didn't rushing
me to have to kind of clear it up or
be you just said it because I said, yeah, it's

(26:44):
all good tell people, and then you were like, Yo, Dan,
ain't trying to hear it from me, bro, they trying
to hear it from you.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Go ahead and clear this up, all right.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
So then we got into the interview, and I will
say that at the beginning of the interview, I was like,
I hope this thing don't last like this. I hope
they dropped the shoulders. And I've been there before, everybody's
been there before. You walk in you're kind of like this,
And I think it wasn't Steven they I think it
was Shannon Moore just nervous at first. You know, Steven
A was trying to loosen that thing up from l O.
He was in there just like you know the joke

(27:11):
SAMO entertaining talking HBCU, et cetera. And Shannon just wanted
to be who he is, which is a very humble
guy giving props to everybody. I mean when I say everybody,
he named everybody at the Fox Lot, I mean I
heard so many names and respect for him for doing that.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
But at the same time.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
That ain't why we hear you know, know your audience,
like nobody want to hear about Betty and Lot four,
you know what I mean? Like really, but hey, that's Shannon.
He was taking it literally and he was being humble
about it. But I could tell stephen A was even
like bruh, let's get to this though, all right.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So they finally got to it.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
They first talked about how Shannon's work relationship wasn't great
with Steve with Skip Bayless now and he talked through that,
and I'm glad he did because Skip doesn't talk a lot.
And he talked about how you didn't talk a lot
in the mornings, and that was good to see because
it's consistent with Skip Bayless. Y'all see Skip Bayless, and

(28:08):
y'all see him whether it's on his podcast with the
notes and just kind of being literal, kind of like
in this skinnier, more narrow vacuum than you would assume
with a guy who has so many opinions, but that's
who he is. Kind of reminds me of all my
friends that are comedians. I know a few famous comedians,
and in their real life, they're all quieter, they're all

(28:32):
more introverted than you would expect, like really like you're like,
damn dog, you don't really talk that much.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Get on stage, yo, baby, you know. And that's kind
of Skip bayless like he likes Ulf not like steven A.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Stephen A is even more dramatic in that respect, like
the contrast. But Skiff is to himself, you know, especially
between breaks. And I'm glad Shannon pointed that out. And
that's usually the time where you can tell where the
relationship is between breaks. But it depends on personality, you know.
If you're with somebody who can multitask, who can know

(29:04):
that they can look at one thing and do another,
they can go over their notes real quick.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
But at the same time, hey man, you're good. What
you doing after the show?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
You're good, you know whatever, And some cats gotta be
in their notes like shop, you know, and Skip it's
more like he'll get up, walk off the set, gather himself,
come back on set, do his thing.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So Shannon broke that down. What else did I hear that? Shannon?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Like what I tell y'all that Shannon got nothing out
of them prep meetings, especially after the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
He said them prep meetings are just.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
For your boys. Skip Bayless, Skip Bayless had them cats
up in there four in the morning talking about nothing,
because why we talking about nothing? We're gonna talk about
what I want to talk about. So Shannon didn't go
that place, he didn't go that far. But basically he
ain't getting none none of those prep meetings. He needed
to do his prep on his own, right. And it's
interesting when you're in a dynamic where somebody has the power,
somebody fought for you to get on there. It's their show,

(29:57):
let's be real about it, no matter how popular you are,
and you still got to go to the beats of
their drum, right, and you're like I told drunk, like
I'm playing some beautiful music over here. Check this piano
out right. And then it's just that cultural force and
pressure that makes you still have to go to that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Don't you hate that?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like you at work, I don't know what your job
title is, but you're the VP, right, And then the
president is sitting.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
There like, yeah, I want everyone here, and you're.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Like, oh, I am so much better if I was
over there just doing my work in mark cubicle in
my office. Bro. So that's how that dynamic went what
else did I see? They skipped and it's crazy. They
talked about how he was forced out. Stephen A teed
him up to say, I told everyone you was forced out.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know the floor is yours. What did you say?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
And stephen A wanted a different answer than what he
got from Shannon Shark.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Shannon Sharp wanted to.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Highlight in that moment that yeah, to force out occurred,
but he wanted to highlight the fact that he owned
Club Chase Shape from Hello, and he wanted to highlight
that owning club shar Shape from Hello was his baby,
and he wanted to get out. But Stephen they wanted
a little more about that. They never talked about the
conversation of forced out. They talked about the conversation when

(31:17):
it was quote unquote over and the conversation of when
Shannon talked to Charlie Dixon, who's the head executive over
there at Fox in terms of programming and content, and
he talked to him with Skip.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Bayless and basically said, I spoke my piece.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I told him, hey, the level of disrespect will not
be tolerated anymore. And then Stephen they was like, so
what happened after day? He said, I spoke my piece
and left, and I thought that was peculiar. I thought
that was weird because like, you got a moment where
you're with Skip, who's disrespecting you, and you got the
executive the boss there, and you speak your piece, but

(31:56):
you ain't gonna try and piece this thing back together.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
So sometimes you know that okay corral approach.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You know, I walked in there, I drew down, and
then I just walked away because he shot already took
my shot, and.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
It sounded like he spoke his piece, the meeting was over,
and I think because they didn't piece it back together,
that's why the relationship really was over and he was
forced out. I just wonder if he would have spoke
to Charlie. I know Charlie, like you know, I have
Charlie's ear. I've talked to Charlie. I've been in his
house many and many of times. You could talk through

(32:31):
those relationships. Now here's the flip side of that. I
think Shannon also knew that Charlie was closer to Skip
than him because Charlie came from ESPN what skipped. Charlie
was a part of the crew with Jamie Horowitz, that
started undisputed, that started first takes. So maybe Shannon just
read the tea leaves and was like, Dog, I'm talking,

(32:52):
it's two on one.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm talking to them, not him and him.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
So maybe that's why he didn't really stay stick around
and talk Drew. Maybe he also talked about he was
glad in the moment that he felt the utmost disrespect
from Skip that he didn't put hands on him. I'm
glad too. I'm glad you didn't put hands on him,
just simply because that's career suicide. Simply is that. And

(33:19):
it ain't that serious what Skip was saying to you. Man,
it was disrespectful, it was out of turn, it was
out of line. But at the same time, don't amplify
because then it gets lost who really was right or wrong.
So I'm glad he said that, and I wouldn't imagine
he ever puts some hands on Skip, but I love
the fact that he did say he refuses to be

(33:40):
a slave to loyalty with Skip, like Skip, you brought
me in here, but you ain't gonna lapdog me.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
You ain't gonna puppy dog me.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
All the way through seven years of this like there's
a certain point we got to readjust.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And I think it's just the same.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
It's the football player in him, and it's just a
person with tremendous common sense, like you brought me in here,
but now things are different. Right. That's like your boy saying, hey,
I want you to play on my football team, and
you're like, really, okay, I'm gonna tell my parents and
sign me up. And then you sign up to go
on the football team, and then all of a sudden
you start balling and coach start giving you the rock more,
and then you start hating on him to coach and

(34:13):
you start not wanting to give him the ball. Coach like, no,
I called.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
The player, give him the ball. Oh he wasn't open.
He wasn't open. Okay, call him play again.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
He ain't open now, Yeah, And I think that's what
was happening, right, And Shannon saw it like, you know,
the coach being Charlie Dixon or fs one that Skip
helped build, and then Skip just like all of a sudden,
the same guy that he wanted on his team, now
he ain't give him the rock like that or he
doing and you know how it goes.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You could throw somebody a past they can't catch and say.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I threw it to him.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I threw it to him.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
So all of that made me just see that this
situation was something that they couldn't fix. Right, And then
he missed that day to tomorrow Hamlin, and he talks
about how he regretted it. He regrets that moment at
least proud moment of his tenure there, and maybe they
used it against him.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Let me tell you it wasn't a maybe. It was
a definite. I tell you why.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Definitely Because if you got Skip saying something about Shannon
and no one that already Skip had the power to
get Shannon on the show, that means you got the
power to at least have their ear in terms of
I'm good. I think this relationship has soured. Right, you
can't make me if you can't break me. If you
didn't make me, they say, but what if he made

(35:36):
it possible for you to be on that show, he
can make it impossible for you to continue to be
on that show.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And I think Skip flex that muscle.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
And then when he flexsed that muscle, then Charlie and
then was like, okay, let's hear from Shannon. And then
when they heard from Shannon they have to pick. Why
do they have to pick? You go all the way
back to Chris Carter when Nick right, and that's the
beginning of why whenever they see it ain't going well,
they gonna tell one or the other not to go
there right, simple as that. They don't want that on

(36:05):
air chemistry to be flawed like that, because then you
ain't got a product, simple as that. So it was
a final convo that they never really talked through, and
I guess they never really had, which was crazy to see.
Other than that I like to interview, the only parts
I really didn't like was it was a lot of
more that little brother talk. For some reason, it just

(36:27):
feels like, tell me if I'm wrong or I'm hating,
or if I'm digging, because I don't want to be
that guy, but.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'm just like it feels like.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Skip and Shannon had this relationship where Shannon caught up
the Skips, maybe surpassed Skip, and Skip was just reluctant.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
But in this.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
One, whether it's because Shannon's only on the show for
two days a week or just because Steven they put
it out there early, it's like a big brother, little
brother Row and I'm looking at the three times Super
Bowl champion.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm looking at a guy who's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
A guy who got that gift to gab who just
could talk that talk kind of get a little brother.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And there was a lot of I.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Told you souls and I talked you through that, and
I told you that from Stephen Ada Shannon.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I thought it was a little excessive.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I was like, come on, dog, like, yeah, all right,
Like if I'm telling if I'm telling my story and
then I'm telling it to the world who hasn't heard
it yet, and you, my boy, who already heard it.
Last thing I'm trying to hear is I'm going through
it is an escort saying yeah, I told you to
do that. I told you to do this. I told
you that was gonna happen. I told you that was wrong.
I was like, all right, don't we talked about this already.

(37:35):
Let me tell them this. So that was the other thing.
And salute Jamie Horowitz for bringing all this together because
it's crazy because Jamie Horowitz undisputed Jamie Horowitz.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
First, take Jamie Horowitz Sports Nation, and we.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Have all of that in common, right, that the fact
that Jamie Horowitz put all that together, So that's dope.
You can say what you want about embrace, debating and
all that. He young gave us a lot of content
and food for thought and fadder for all of us
sports fans out there. So salute to a guy Jamie Horowitz,
so we all know and got respect for in terms

(38:10):
of how he approached this game and was a tremendous
asset to me in my career as well. Other than that,
Shannon got dogs, I got cats, No, I got no cats.
Salute RECTI pieces Quincy. I was the dude, just a
dog just popped.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Up on it. And Shannon said that he's singing because.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
He too busy wrapped up into first take, too busy
wrapped up into steven A's too busy wrapped up into
them dogs. I said, all right, I'm gonna end this
interview right there. Loved the interview, Did you guys love
the interview? And also what was your biggest learn from
that interview? My biggest learn is that Shannon is going
to be in a role that he's going to continue

(38:50):
to dominate, but it's gonna be in a limited fashion
kind of like I don't know, like rocket is small
or something he like, he gonna be the rocket is
maile Like you'd be like and give it them ball
more and more and more, but he ain't.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
But every time you get it, he gonna ball out.
That's what I feel like.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Two days a week's gonna be tremendous. But I don't
think it's gonna be enough for him to get it
all like he used to have it.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
But he's still gonna make a huge impact. The ratings
already suggest that.

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Speaker 1 (39:35):
Let's talk about Dana White, who has now spoke on
the matter of transgender athletes in sports, and let's talk
about women, men, transgenders in the UFC. So then the
White we all know he is President of the UFC,
expressed his opinion on transgender athletes and women's sports. He

(39:58):
has a long history and combat as we know, and
initially stated crazy enough that women would never compete in
the UFC, which change in twenty thirteen. Damn, it's crazy, right,
we forget about that. I don't even remember it, but
now I'm like, wow, maybe I wasn't into the UFC
before then. But at the same time, there was a
time where we thought that women wouldn't be in the UFC,

(40:21):
And that's why this is an interesting conversation. Will there
be a time what transgenders would be in the UFC. Well,
he's talked about his concern with transgender athletes and women's
sports and use his daughter as an example why he
opposes it. Now, we never hear about the transgender male

(40:42):
being in the sports with the male You know that, right,
It's always a transgender female that's in the sports with
the biological females, the real women, right, So let's talk
about that. So White sees it as a nutty, insane thing,
as I quote, nutty insane thing happening in the world
and doesn't want to see biological competing against his daughter

(41:02):
and I have our He's second what I've already said.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
This issue continues to be a fire starter.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Unnecessarily, I feel, because I think it's an issue where
if you look at a biological mail's pretty evident and obvious,
as this world has stated since we started sports and
competitive sports, that it's okay to discriminate based on many factors.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You discriminated based on age.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
As I talked about my football team, they're eight now,
my son is eight years old. He had to move
up a division. Now he goes against eight and nine
year olds. He's the youngest out there. It's just that simple.
If you're a ten year old, you're not out there
with them. If you're a seven year old, you're not
out there with them unless you want to move up.
Good luck to you, right, But the point is we
have designated this off of discrimination rate discriminatory practices.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
It's okay age.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
We also do it by gender, right, We also do
it by weight. We also do it by abilities. Like
it's it's okay. So now we're gonna do it. If
you don't want to go into the whole, which I
don't understand, Oh well, you know there's not just two genders. Yeah, yeah,
there are, at least in this household, the white the
household is two genders, boys and girls, and I have

(42:13):
three girls, that one boy, simple as that. Not trying
to be controversial, and that's not controversial. But if you
want to be controversial and say, oh there are more, okay,
that's fine.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
We still have designations.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Even if you want transgender, you compete against transgender. Case solved,
case dismissed. But if it's not dismissed, then let's just
welcome everyone to equality. Because equality comes with booze and cheers.
It comes with criticism, right, it comes with borders. Right,
just like freedom of speech. Someone saying I want equality, Well,

(42:45):
freedom of speech comes with borders as well. You can't
say everything. And equality also comes with some restrictions. I
hate to tell you it does, right. I want to
be free, I want to do what I want to do. Yeah,
but you're still gonna pay your taxes, you know what
I mean, et cetera. I could bore you to death
with all the examples. So my question is are you
in agreement with Dana White? My question is would you

(43:07):
be okay with a biological male matching up with your daughters? Lord?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
How can we keep the sports industry respectful.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
To the community, transgender community which needs to be respected,
But at the same time, that has to be mutual.
You gotta respect that hey may have just a natural
advantage over somebody else. This conversation seemed like it will
never end, unfortunately, but hopefully we'll come to a resolution
that is gonna be respectful and equal, even though we

(43:37):
know that still comes with criticism. All right, y'all, it's
time for me to go into the Week three no
cap recap. We got Egos and Buccaneers tonight. Oh, that's
gonna be a good game. I ain't gonna lie to y'all.
I am going to take the Buccaneers in this one. Yeah,
I think that fire that Baker Mayfield don lit is
gonna burn for a second right now, So I go Buccaneers,

(43:57):
Rams and Bengals. I'm going with the Rams. Yes, let's
see if I'm right about that. All right now, we
got the Falcons and Lions. We saw the Lions beat
them twenty to six. Detroit is real scrappy. We already
know Atlanta's really good, improved, but at the same time
got some growing pains.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
To go through. They got shut down.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Man only scored six points and two three in the
second quarter.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Three at the end of the game, fourth quarter. That
was it.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Look for Detroit to be mucking it up for everybody
this year.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Bill smoked the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Damn Magic went all the way out there, sitting in
the suite, saw that thirty seven to three beat. Damn.
We saw Josh Allen have a good game, not a
great game, but they went out there and steal balled
out digs. Did this thing got over one hundred. Oh,
let's talk about the Broncos getting smashed by the Dolphins.
I'm trying to go through this fast because you can
go to other sites and go deeper about this. The
Dolphins are insane. I told you when they played Chargers

(44:53):
Week one. I haven't seen that level of talent athleticism,
especially on the edges.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
That team can run team, you can move well.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Seventy to twenty makes me feel good about my Chargers actually,
because we basically had that game won and then gave
it up at the end. So Dolphins are insane right now.
So nobody wants to see the Dolphins as the Broncos
just I don't even know if the Broncos saw the Dolphins.
They ain't stoppingim. Seventy to twenty. Ah, we saw.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
The Texans beat the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Whoa Jaguars and the Texans have the same record, and
that means Texans have the edge over them in the divisions.
Slow start to the Jacksonville season right now, we got
to see what's going on over there, all right, and
see what they gonna do because they gotta respond because
the expectations were greater this year, all right.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Coach beat the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
That was a little bit of a surprise, especially because
you know who was starting that quarterback, Gardner misschu. You
let Gardner Mischiue go out there. Lamar Jackson not having
his best year just yet, even though he ran that
ball yesterday, throwing the ball, everything is not clicking, not
meshing fully just yet. When they get the wins, you know,
it's like nineteen points, okay, when we're gonna get this

(46:02):
offense clicking. But it is a new system, so maybe
it's gonna take time, or maybe that old run dominant
system they had before was better.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Crazy Chargers squeaked.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Out one got the Vikings twenty eight, twenty four, justin
Herbert had maybe a perfect game, one of them to
a type games now start to say, but it look
really good. Keenan Allen, My god, what are you doing?
Eighteen for two fifteen? That's silly? All right? We got
the Patriots beating the Jets. Zach Wilson, you in trouble, brother.
You're putting up rushing yards as a quarterback. It's gonna

(46:32):
be a problem, man, man, Zach will I thought it
was like just that Dallas game. And then I was like, well,
we're still seeing it. Who are they kicking themselves over there?
Being on that treadmill at quarterback waiting for Aaron Rodgers
to get healthy?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
All right, Saints and Packers? How did the Packers come
back on this one?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
What they did? They were now seventeen down down in
the fourth quarter and said, let me go win this
eighteen seventeen. Damn gotta play four quarters ball. I thought,
I feel bad after my dy biddies lost yesterday. That
would hurt. Twenty seven to three. Browns beat the Titans.
Don't know what's going on with the Titans. Why y'all
beat the Chargers? If y'allin't gonna be good, it's crazy.
Twenty seventy three. Deshaun Watson, he must have watched the
clip on him. It sounds like he is reconciled with

(47:10):
his path. Now, that was a really good game from
Deshaun Wathsington and started their twenty seven to three.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Best game he's had since he's been at Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
And I'm rooting for the guy to just accept who
he is, the good and the bad, and be a baller.
Seahawks and the Panthers, Oh my god, who Carolina ain't
gonna get a win? Huh?

Speaker 2 (47:29):
All right?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And Seahawks they gonna beat the Seahawks kind of like
Detroit to me, right, I think they're the same team,
like maybe an inch off of just that top contending team.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
But still gonna give you a lot. You have to
deal with Geno still rolling, y'all, say what you want,
Geno still roll.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
All right. We got the Cardinals. I don't know how,
but they did. They beat the Cowboys and that was crazy.
You didn't really see crazy statistical numbers either. They just
beat the Cowboys, right, and you can see Tony Poler
had a good game. Dak Prescott didn't have a horrible game,
not a great game, but enough they lost twenty eight sixteen. Ooh,

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Cowboys fan, I ain't gonna beat you up like everybody
else is. But you can't lose those games.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Game.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Look at me, coffee Studio. It's pretty Chiefs and Bears
forty one ten. Yeah, Chiefs real as we already know.
Bears are the Bears. I mean games they lost in
the road at fourteen or something. O justin Phils. You
in justin field even have one hundred yards passing, y'all.
It's ugly. Damn that is bad. I thought Zach Wilson
was struggling out here. And you look on the website,

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so all you see is Taylor Swift. Y'all crazy, boy,
y'all crazy. And now we got the Steelers. We saw
that game against the Raiders. I predicted that when I
actually told my boy and told Mark Quest that, uh,
they were the Steelers gonna win twenty three twenty.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
They end up winning twenty three eighteen. That's when you
want to go to.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Vegas and then you actually go to Vegas and bat
and then you don't win that game. It's it turns
out to be the Dolphins. Dolphins in the damn Broncos game.
You know what happened, there's gonna win by us. So crazy,
but I almost nailed that game right there. Forty nine
Ers and giants thirty to twelve forty nine ers are
insane in the membrane. We know that as well. Probably
our top dog in the NFC, top dog and the

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AFC has to be the Miami Dolphins. So that's my
note cap recap, just letting you guys know, I still
love football.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
And talk it, but y'g have some fun some mother
sites and then go.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Deep into it. Oh my god, they're rushing yards for
attempt and all those other good stuff. Good thing, All right, y'all,
let's talk about some comments. Let's get into it, manking
some comments. Yeah, women's tennis funny hearing a Pergola argue
about fair pay when you consider her billionaire parents and
how they've allegedly treated their lower paid employees. Additionally, people
don't realize how few players on the ATPNWTA don't make

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money outside of the faces. You know, there's a huge
drop off, that's real, which is why tennis forever has
a match fixing problem. It's the easiest for it to fix.
Oh my ancle I have to retire, and a lot
of the players barely make enough to pay to get
to the tournament. What makes women's tennis also peeling is
that it's held at the same time place as the

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men's event, and it's a different game skill versus power.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Also, the women wear stylish uniforms that flatter their forms,
skirts and dressed.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Out uniforms occasionally with the mid riff exposed and bare shoulders,
but done in a way that is still ultimately stylish
over sexy. So as a business you can draw fans
on two levels. They watch for the skill, but also,
like many female fans do to male.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Athletes, actors, musicians, etc. Can ammire the female form.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Athletes of both genders are young and fit, and like
models and actors actresses as foolish to deny the eye
candy aspect as well.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Oh stop, I ain't even gonna try to deny it.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I used to watch women's tennis.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
When Serena first hit the scene, I was like, goodness,
and then sure a pova on, Like I just look
at it. One could they find some of them, most
of them? But then two it's like they like six
foot somebody moving. I just like looking at it, like
and I like the skill level. To me, it's just
like comparable but just stupid, like we have an argument

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over like like our sex appeal or how you look
when you're performing.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I don't care how you look. Yeah you do you
better And I'm not talking about you got a little
glamorous as a woman or man. But demn it.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I know dudes, we said rist fans getting fresh. You know,
got your ponytail cast you said the ponytail hitting the toothbrush,
getting tight a game like a dude like he ain't
he ain't losing nothing like he ain't feline. He's just
trying to look right. What if d I say, look good,
feel good, play good, pay good? Stop it? Man. I
hate when people.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Got because well I'm not supposed to look at him?
What you looking at? Then?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
How you watching a match and ain't watching how good
they look or ugly they look about. I can tell
a dude athletic and be like, oh that ain't a
good looking dude, but whatever, go ahead and hit him like,
oh that's a mean face I look at I look
at the dog with his old moves.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I mean, stop, stop, just stop faking it all right.
Women in sports are so entitled.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Oh, with respect to tennis, they play best at three sets,
that's fewer.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Their matches last on average less.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Than an hour in Grand Slams, while men's matches last
about two and a half hours, it could last about
four hours. Women put on an inferior product with lesser strength, speed, quality, fans, revenue,
and yet they earn as much as more than men.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
This happens in multiple sports because of political correctness.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Can't argue that. Look, I'm a person that you eat
with you you kill, and they don't kill the same amount,
But I don't think they eat the same amount as well.
Five hundred level, thousand level tennis tournaments. They do not
get paid the same as the men. Just the glam Slam,
the Grand Slams, glam Slams. Well when the Denny's just
the Grand Slams. So I hear what you're saying, and

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that's not right. When it's like that, I hate that too.
But they also don't get paid the same as the men.
Just stop watching them big tournaments. You'll tell you should
get paid what you earn and not what you should
Emissions and ratings should what you get paid. If ratings
in the mission show win are generating what men are men,
they should be paid equally. Well, you're right, and i'm witch.

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We are both captain obvious on that one Whitlock versus Dion.
I remember after Kobe scored sixty points in his last game,
Jason Whitlock said the next day, Kobe Bryant is the
most fraudulent celebrity superstar athlete we have ever seen.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Woodlock has been a bonafide hater for a long long time.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
It doesn't surprise me. Okay, he's a bonafied hater. Look
I did.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Look, Kobe's last game was even interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I'm not a hater. I love Kobe. I was like,
damn it, how many shots he takes to get sixty
on the last game. But everybody's like, a right, no,
never matter. I was like, well, it doesn't matter unless
that game matter. And he did take sixty shots to
get sixty points. But hey, that's how you're gonna go
out because of Kobe. Respect. Woodlock's behavior is entirely inappropriate.
Here we Go, coach has consistently been a source of empowerment,
a fatherly figure, an exceptional leader, and a role model

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to everyone. It's worth noting that Whitlock didn't raise any
concerns with Brett Farr, who was on the Blaze with
Sapp and others about far As allegedly involved in financial miscond.
I'm done with white lock. I'm not a fan of
the whole white lock stuff. Like if Winlock is not
as black ass is, we're gonna do the tos steven A.
Smith thing again. That's all right, But he ain't white.

(54:13):
He ain't gonna ever be white, no matter how he sounds, asks,
et cetera. I know what you're saying, though, so I'm
not gonna go down the rabbit hole. Here's the thing
I agree with you with. He gotta come at Brett
Farr like, ain't no way I'm doing the show, and
I ain't doing a show with somebody who is in
the public eye news scandal and then they gonna come
on the show and keep game criticize somebody else.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I'm like, Okay, yeah, you're right, you're right. How about
this about you? We just at least I don't know
if he has, Please tell me.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
He has at least turn to mic once that Brett
Farr's like address that.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I don't know I would do that.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
But that's in part why I don't like guests, because
you start having to let them win.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
But like, gotta let him win. Got it.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
You got Brett Farve on it. You can't make him lose,
so you can't ask him the questions. That's a raw
part of the reason, part of the reason I'm gonna
have guests going forward. We're gonna lay this thing out
and we're gonna layer this. But I want you to
hear me first. I want you to know who I am,
so when somebody come on here, they already know what
they're stepping into. If somebody come on my show and
they are in some trouble, we talking about the trouble first,
come on dog. Everybody trying to see you throw no

(55:17):
rocks out, no glasshouse. If he's a black person who's
getting recognized for success, particularly if they are helping other
people achieve success with lock, is gonna have something negatives
say is to run a narrative of my boy I do.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I work with him.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
He's a great listener, and what I like most about
him is he is himself. He's going to say what
he wants to say. He's gonna listen, though it's tough
the whole. He always comes harder on black people because
we talk. Let's be real, if you're talking sports, you're
talking to sports basketball and football. One is fifty five
percent black and seventy percent of minority, and the other

(55:57):
one this is what seventy percent black in eighty some night,
eighty some percimilority. You talk basketball, football, you don't talk
about the black people. It's just simple as that. But
I know what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
It's like, it does feel highlighted, it does feel amplified.
So I hear Cam and Mace.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Considering Cam and Mace have limited knowledge of sports, especially Mace,
OJ is much needed for this show. It is what
it is, is the best show around. It is a
funny show. I'll give it that. That is funny. I
got to check out more OJ though. Mason Cameron give
OJ the platform the show is football knowledge. They make
OJ seem more human and relatable, gives a younger generation
something to know OJ by other than his trial. I

(56:33):
love that OJ has the opportunity to write his name
back into the football ledger as a legend.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
That is dope.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
One of my favorite comments ever, maybe my favorite ever.
Rewrite OJ right, Like, let OJ. He got out, then
he went back in for something else that we were like, really,
so let him write his own name.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I really believe in second chances.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I really look, if you found not guilty, it is
because I didn't pay attention to the whole trial.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
So I'm not gonna sit here and saying, HOI dre.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
How did you doubt it? Shut up? Did you watch
all of it? No, it's shut up, NFL prop bet.
I got a little bit of it. Somebody want that
propa bet? All right, so somebody said I got some.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Of that dope? All right?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
You know we finished every show, we finish it with
a wily is yeah. Ah, today's why there isn't I'm
gonna have to say it like he said it too.
Even the sign goes down, where is that from? I
ain't gonna put his name out there? Even the sun
goes down. Heroes eventually die. Horoscopes often lied, and sometimes

(57:32):
why nothing is for show? Nothing is forever? Dang, I
could have nailed it. It's Andre three thousand, y'all. Even
the sun goes down, y'all, it's okay, Like, it's okay
to take that all. It's okay. It's okay to not
feel your best. It's okay because we're gonna work on
getting right back up. Because the sun gonna rise. You know,

(57:53):
the sun gonna rise, so even the sun goes down,
It's okay. I I'm so competitive that I can accept
a loss and defeat pretty fast because I know I'm
coming back. I think sometimes I see people who are
almost in production of showing their emotions of their loss.

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You know, my son is he's eight and he's already
doing it. He's like, really down and that I just
hate losing. I was like, I know, but you love
that winning, don't you right? And he's like yeah, I said,
let's get back to the winning and let's have a
winning attitude to get back to that winning, because you gotta.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Fake it till you make it.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
We ain't. We just lost. We can't be sitting there
in the losing attitude. We can't be sitting there beat
up by the losing. You know, I understand you ain't
feeling your best because I don't feel my best. I
ain't have a good night's sleep last night, tell you truth.
Just because I was like, how did they beat us?
I was like, well, one, they were better, let me say, two,
they were older. Three they were faster. I was like,
I keep it real. But I was like, but we

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could still beat them. I was like, we lost by
three points with no extra points, and we could beat them.
They ain't beat us. We beat ourselves and they beat
the sun. There's a double whamming. So the point is, man,
look when you're going through it, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Just know that you're gonna rise again.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It becomes episodic if people forget that down means up,
Like all right, you a ball, man, I'm down. Boom,
I'm up. That's what the ball doesn't bounces up. So
whatever you think is down there, just know that it's
gonna come up here. Let's go, as the kids always say,
let's go. Even the sun goes down. Man, when that

(59:31):
hit me, I was like the brightest lightness world, right,
the sun. You can't even stare at it because it's
too bright. Even that goes down, even that has to
take a little time off, take a little break, take
a l go somewhere else and shine.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Right, So maybe sometimes.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
We gotta look at it like that, like you know
how the sun is really always shining. It's just what
part of the world you're in, what part, what phase,
what perspective are you looking at things? Because maybe it
went down to you you lost something, right, here, but
it's shining somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I've noticed that sometimes when I'm going through issues and
growing up. Financially, we ain't have much, but we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Had each ova. So the sun was down in our
money column, but it was up and bright in terms
of the togetherness and the family and the connective tissue
we had as a family life. Yeah, I wish, I
like my family's still tight, but we ain't as tight
because we all got to live. We're all grown, and
I see you when I see you and I ain't

(01:00:33):
seen you. It's one of those situations. So I'm trying
to tighten the boats on that. But just remember, man,
it's bright somewhere in your life. It's bright somewhere in
this world. But even the sun goes down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Here Rose let me start all right, y'all gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
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the information on our topics today today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
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