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Do ah?
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I am boogie as hell.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yesterday I took my three indy biddies to their first
group tennis lesson yup, and let me just say this
and exactly as expected, which was not what we wished.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like my three year old ain't about no discipline yet.
I hope she turns into a wily soon, because boy,
I'm looking at her like my grandma, my mama, this
ain't this ain't allowed, Like she just don't give it.
But I will say this. At that age, even the
instructor was like, wait till they're in their force. But
you know, you always try to get ahead of it
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or you want her to be a part of the group.
Where you going, daddy, We're going to take big brother
and big sister to play tennis, and you stay your
butt homes. Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I'm like, all right, we'll come home and then
she in do a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
My four year old. Ooh, she got to work on
her hand out of coordination. Like she's into dance, she's
into theaters, she's into gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But this is the first time she ever did something
with a ball.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I was like, okay, okay, you got all the
muscles and you super fast. Even in instructor was like, goodness,
this girl can run. I was like, yeah, she's fast fast,
But that ball came at us. She was like, and
MJ was MJ, y'all know what MJ is. I gotta
stop MJ. Man. He that little boy could do some
stuff anyway. So we had a good time out there
despite the mosquitos. Still at me. Thanks for all the
(03:13):
tips on how to get rid of these mosquitos out here.
And other than that, went home, was going to a
pickleball outing, one of those open settings where random strangers
are members of the country club just come and meet
and play open pickleball. So I'm like, I'm leaving my
house and I got a pick aball corp. But I'm
gonna go meet some strangers and play with them. But
(03:35):
I went with my guy Daddy, that's my dog right there,
and we played some random people and let me just
say randomly, they were whipping me up, but we ended
up getting ourselves fixed and we ended up winning a couple.
After that, had a little buffet, kicked in, had a
drank or two hydrate, I felt grown, you know, took
the kids to lessons, and then went out there and
played a little myself and hung out with some new buds.
(03:58):
Right yeah, all right, let's speak of enough new buzz.
Let's get into this show. Because Colin Kaepernick wants a
new squad. Yes, he wants to be on the New
York Jets, but not the active squad. He said, I'll
take what you give me, hommy. I'll be on the
practice squad, so he wrote a letter to the New
York Jets general manager Joe Douglas expressing his interests in
(04:19):
joining the teens practice squad. First thing I thought of
is like, how the hell this letter get out? And
why did this letter get out? Hmm. I don't even
want to go too deep into that. But if I'm
Colin Kaepernick or his team, why am I putting this
letter out? Now? It goes with the narrative that I've
always said that Colin Kaepernick knows he can't play, so
(04:39):
all he has to do is act like he wants
to play, and then that's gonna make him continue to
be a martyr. I've always said that. Ah. But at
the same time, you know there are reporters out there
that do their job. Maybe this just got caught up
in the process. Anyway, Kaepernick's letter was in response to
the injury of Aaron Rodgers, and we know the Jets
are trying to win a champion ship.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
At least they were this offseason.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
At least they were for four players in that first
game right now with Zach Wilson. Even though you just
close to maybe turning it on Zach Wilson, you this
far in terms of the results right now. So Colin
Kaepernick said he was writing in response to the unfortunate
loss of Aaron Rodgers, and he wanted to keep the
team on a super Bowl track, keep them moving down
that super Bowl track. Now that's not being so honest
(05:26):
in this moment, because he knows damn well they off track.
That's why he write a letter. So I don't want
to be hypercritical, but keep it real, dog, you ain't.
I want you all to continue going on this what track?
That track behind us? And you think you're gonna fix it,
say you're gonna fix it. Then don't say you're just
coming in here to just be a fly on the
wall or on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I digress.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So he explicitly stated that he wasn't seeking the starting
quarterback position, but rather wanted to join the practice squad
to help prepare the defense. Now, I thought that was strategic,
even though it's not genuine, I think it's strategic. Hey,
I just said, I know a lot of people think
I only wanted to be a starter. Remember that narrative.
And then he went up to Seattle. They were like,
you can't be the starter. We got Russell Wilson up here.
(06:09):
He didn't want that job, or it didn't work out,
whatever you want to do, etc. So he's trying to
dispel that, which is a smart play, except it's not
the smartest play if you're being real about this situation,
because this problem is the starting quarterback position. So you
want to come help keep us on a super Bowl
track we're not on anymore by being the backup on
(06:31):
practice squad. That ain't our problem. Okay. So anyway, he says,
as much as I would love the opportunity to feel
that starting spot, I'm writing you in hopes that you
can imagine a much different approach involving me. I would
be honored and extremely grateful for the opportunity to come
in and lead the practice squad. All right, says the
first man ever. All Right, let me just tell y'all
something for y'all who don't know what the practice squad is. Look,
(06:55):
they make money, they make job money, they make career money.
But the ego, like I'm just telling y'all because it's
all about keeping up with the Joneses, and it's not
just financially, because there's gonna be some dudes on your
team making twenty thirty million a year and you making
one hundred thousand, couple hundred thousand, right, It ain't that.
It's the fact that you are doing the same job
(07:19):
as that guy and not that he's making ninety x
that you're making. Is that he gets to treat you
if he wanted to a little worse than everyone else.
Now I would say ninety x, but you wouldn't be
on the team. You still a grown ass man. Right.
But at the same time, cats be boobooing on practice squad.
Cats like, go go get that homie. What I'm old.
(07:42):
I'm as old as you, brother, Like, so, practice squad
ain't for the for.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The faint of heart. Let's just say that, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But Colin Kaepernick at this age would like to take
that take any opportunity can. So despite the star status,
we know who he is. He's a beast. When he
was out there to the end, it kind of started
to taper off and plateau go down. He had a
Super Bowl appearance and he was just saying, look, I'm
humble and I want to be on the squad. I
would do this with the sole mission of getting your
(08:08):
defense ready each week.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It is one of the quotes.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He also said, unlike many of the veteran quarterbacks that
have been named in the media, I've never retired or
stopped training. The Jets had not signed Kaepernick at the
time of this article, and this conversation, Trevor Simeon is
the guy that they actually signed to their practice squad instead. Okay,
(08:35):
Kaepernick said, he's ready, all right. I can't doubt that.
I can't doubt that. I can't doubt his talent. I
can't down his ability. I can't I haven't seen it,
but I can't doubt it because there was a time
where when you talk about arm, talent and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Mobility, that he was krem de la creme.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
He was top of the heat. There was a time
where also reading defenses wasn't his strength. But there was
a time where the results spoke for themselves, and you
were looking at Colin Kaepernick like a whole different man
than you are right now. Practice squad back then would
have never been a thought of yours. But we're here now,
and where are we now? Where at a place where
this just doesn't feel real to me? He sued the NFL.
(09:24):
He settled that with the NFL, that lost suit and
now wants to sign back to an NFL team. Everybody
listening to me right now knows how preposterous that sounds,
how ignorant that sounds. Right, However, let's go through the conversation.
Let's go through this process. This is the same process
(09:46):
that has the energy of you sue somebody. Oh it's
a rap. That's Stephen A. Smith to to energy.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know what I'm tinking about.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Steven A. Smith still mad at t O four years
later for a tempting to sue ESPN and bringing his
name into it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So y'all remember that energy. We're gonna keep that energy.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So we understand what this energy is as to say,
keep that same energy my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right, So if we.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Got that energy and respect, Hey, steven A he try
to sue you? Hey, that is kind of shady, all right,
people who are saying that, Well, then keep that energy.
You try to sue the NFL. No, oh, you did
suit the NFL. You wentn't even further and settled. And
I'm telling you, in every settlement I've ever seen, ever
been a part of, there is an NDA. And in
that NDA, there's some things you can't say. There's some
(10:31):
things the NFL can't do and say. And there's some
things you can't do and say. He can't tell us
what those are.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But I wonder, I wonder. I wonder if one of
them is you never gonna play in the NFL again?
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I wonder he can't say, they can't say, But I
wonder how we really got here?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So we got this energy out there. Well, we know,
if somebody sue you, you good on them, you cool
on them. You ain't wish them death. But you're like, bro,
move miss me, right, steven A. Smith to t O
missed me, bro So NFL to Colin Kaepernick, missed me? Bruh,
Let's go past that. Okay, even if they could get
past that. Do they trust Colin Kaepernick? Do they trust
(11:11):
his intentions? Good or bad? Do they trust Colin Kaepernick
in the NFL? Y'all know that answer? No, because when
he was in the NFL, it wasn't the fact that
he silently.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Protested, nonviolently protested.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It was the fact that you sued them and then
they gave you an opportunity for workout. You didn't like
how that worked out, You chose your own workout, etc. Etc.
A lot more of a firestorm than the NFL wanted.
It didn't support their economic models. Say whatever you want
to say, Okay, but here's the greatest thing of them all,
the NFL. Sometimes you ain't what is it a keto?
(11:48):
A keto the martial art. You don't even have to
use your strength against somebody. You use them against themselves, right,
You use somebody else's words and actions against themselves. So
Colin Kaepernick, when he was selling a documentary from Netflix,
say that the NFL was a slave plantation. Right, So
if we all heard him say that the NFL is
(12:10):
a slave plantation, why would you ever want to go
and practice on a squad on that slave planation? Got
to answer that before. I think the NFL is sitting
there open minded about this opportunity because it just makes
them not trust you even more.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You called thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Two teams making multimillionaires out of anybody that's on this team,
especially black people, because there's more black people on them
teams than not fifty five percent black, NFL seventy one percent.
I think it was sixty seven that world seventy percent minority.
I understand up top in the owner suite is billionaires,
(12:51):
but I digress.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So the NFL is not a slave plantation or it is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Make up your mind, because who and hell will want
to work on a slave plantation in their own volition
on top of having the cause and being the face
of something like your cause and still saying but put
that to the side, I still want to play make
it make sense or as my grandma said, you can't
(13:18):
make sense out of nonsense, baby. So just getting that
all out the way, those, to me are the things
that are holding up this process.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And frankly, it's not holding it up. It's never gonna
come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's never gonna happen, It's ever ever gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
For these reasons are much much more. But I don't
know that NDA.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I don't know what Colin Kaepernick signed away, but he
did and he knows, and the NFL did.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And they know, and that's why they are at this impasse.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, now, sidebar, because I'm talking about the energy of
suing somebody like Toota stephen A Smith and how that felt.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I want to say one thing too about Colin.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Kaepernick in terms of me, in my history of Colin Kaepernick,
because I've been very critical of him, then very critical
of him. Now I haven't changed my stance, but I
want to say one thing because.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
T o question stephen A.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Smith's blackness, I never questioned Colin Kaepernick's blackness. What I questioned,
if you really listen, was the definition of black and blackness.
Here's the thing I love, the uniqueness that we all possess.
We all got our own fingerprint, we all got our
own signature. Right, We're all different beings, right, we're all
(14:42):
uniquely the same, but we're all unique. So I grew
up where they were trying to box me in, you know,
and I told him quickly, Hello, the only box you're
gonna put me in is no box. You're not gonna
categorize me. Bro, You're not gonna make me enforce me
to have to go with some of public opinion. I'm
gonna do what I want to do, Marsha, to beat
(15:03):
to my own drum, respect Right. So in that same process,
I started to realize, like one in my neighborhood, it
was just simple, like you had to make these choices,
and it's crazy because these choices were polarizing, just like
I see, some of the choices were forced to make.
Now I grew up yet crippled blood.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And if you don't bang, that's a gang in itself,
because you're gonna now have to deal with everything right now.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's all this. Are you a Republican Democrat?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know? Are you liberal? You're conservative?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like they're just forcing you to choose. And if you
don't choose, who are you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Same thing I digress. I questioned the definition of black.
I questioned this one drop rule. I questioned a Colin
Kaepernick who didn't acknowledge or fully respect that he was
half white, that he was raised by a white family.
I questioned how he threw all that away and just
(15:56):
said he was black because of the general definition of
we're black. I like when you see a white person
and they say, eh, I'm white, but I'm actually Irish Italian.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You're like, whoa, Okay, break it down. Why do I
like that?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Because then I think that gives highlight to the uniqueness
that we all possess.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Smith, he's black, right, but he's an islander black black
black black black, were all black. Colin Kaepernick's black, but
he's half white, half black, but he never says he's
half white, half black, or we never give proper respect
and credit to someone who is biracial.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Remember when Tiger Woods trying to do.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That, wh wh wh wha, It's like, god, dang tiger.
Tiger just grabbed a nine iron left left the studio.
He was like, never again, never again, and that's unfair.
You should have pride in all that you are, no
matter what that is. And that's being for real. I
know I say a lot of things with levity, but
in all seriousness, this whole one drop rule, this whole
like you got this much you or that and when't
(16:55):
It really was starting from a place of we don't
want you to be considered right, So if you got
any black and you're black, do y'all understand what that meant?
DoD yall understand what they really were saying. Not the
most positive of thing. So I just thought that he
would have come off to me more authentic if he
accepted who he was in totality and did Seale said
(17:17):
what he said, But he didn't, and then he all
of a sudden started to really talk bad about the
system of the oppression and disparaging white people. At times
in white America, And I was like, damn you saying
all that and not acknowledging that you half white. Yeah,
don't pass the smell test for me. Y'all make you
(17:39):
up your own opinion. So I just thought that was disingenuous.
How you sound talking down about.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All these things and all these people, and.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You were raised by white people and you are half white,
and you don't have to take my words for it.
Your own parents, your own family were like bruh.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They had issue with it as well.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So it takes me to this place where right now
and raising my kids right and this is not the
same level. Trust me, I understand, but it does bring
this conversation home. My son is ambidextrous. MJ is ambidextrius. Seriously.
He will throw the football with his left hand, throw
anything with a left hand, but right penmanship with his
(18:21):
right hand.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Seriously, to the point we had to take him to
the doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And we were taking Now you know, I'm objecting to
this the hood in me like, I ain't going, no,
damn doctor, because this boy could right, he could write
with both hands if we want them to, and he
can throw both hands if we want them to. And
they were like, yeah, but at the same time, you
want him to have a dominant.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You want him to choose.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I was like, oh what, But they talked me through
it and I was all right, look as long as
he can write better, okay, because he was having little
issues with grabbing his pencil. Point of this whole conversation
is this, he's ambidextrous. It's okay, left and right. I
can do both. I am both. Colin Kaepernick, black and white.
You are black and white. You are both. It's okay.
(19:04):
Now show the pride that you have. Now show the calls.
Now show the effect. You want to have an impact
on this world from that place of a healthy perspective,
because when you come from that healthy perspective, it makes.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Me respect your perspective.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But to have the audacity to say that one of
us speaks for all of us, I'm sitting here as
a black man. Obviously I have my twenty three and
meters and there's some pieces of other things in there too,
But I sit here as a black man saying, wait
a minute, none of us.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Should speak for all of us. And you're not speaking
for me because you're not even speaking for you. You're not
even speaking for half of you.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I could go all day and all night on this.
I understand what he was saying. I understand the oppression
for my ancestors, But to say that the NFL is
a slave pantation?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, NFL pay for this, y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, we gonna equate this to what my
ancestors went through.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Stop playing.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's see if he's gonna start playing. Do you
think that Colin Kaepernick will get an opportunity in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Again, do you think that this approach, what seems more
humble and showing humility than ever, is gonna work for
Colin Kaepernick? Or do you think all same song for
Colin Kaepernick in terms of the results, he won't be
in the NFL? Interesting, this was a different attack. Let's
see if it gets somewhere he wants to go or not.
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Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know them?
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their true potential. All right, Well, it seems like Shannon
Sharp has left FS one and unlocked his true potential
because now he is on ESPN and First Take and
let's just say them ratings are showing Shannon has an
effect impact. So a lot of this is targeted at
his old show and a lot of this targeted at
(21:19):
his old co hosts, Skip Bayless. That battle is intensifying.
So he went on Stephen A. Smith's show and criticized
the ratings power of the new cast of Undisputed. Yeah
that's what he did, right. We know who's over there,
Michael Irvin, Keyshawn Johnson, Richard Sherman, etc. Little White with
they have baby, please take the baby, etc. Right, So
(21:41):
he was saying that he has confidence that him and
Stephen A. Smith will always be number one in the ratings.
Here's a quote, y'all not going to be better than
me and Steven A. That's not going to happen. I
promise you that it's not going to happen ever ever.
Have hell. Wow. So he emphasized that belief that neither
(22:03):
the new cast, nor Bayless nor none of y'all all
y'all remember that movie YouTube, because none of them could
outperform him and stephen A Smith on first take.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He also talks about the possibility of taking over the
rains the first take if stephen A. Smith Ever ever
decided to leave. Here's a quote. Now, if stephen A says,
shouldn't I want to go in a different direction, you
are still not gonna beat first take in the ratings. God, Lee,
that's gang related because stephen A is that dude. And
(22:36):
if stephen Ay ever decides to leave and turn the rains.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Over to me, you all know I'm that dude. I'm him.
I'm glad he said that dude, not that dude, because
I'm that dude. All right.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So basically, what or would our stephen A first take
is coming in first place, first taken, first place, first taken,
first place. That's what they do. Boy, used to love
that when you were and pop want to boo beat
them past?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Get it in. I digress, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So first takes ratings have improved since Sharp joined the
show in September. It ain't no lie about it like
numbers of numbers objectively, it just says it, and it
leads to some of the public celebration we're seeing from
Shannon and from Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Smith on the flip side on disputed numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, they're facing challenges and fighting and finding its footing.
As they wrote in this article after Shannon Sharp's departure,
Let's just be real about that. They have taken a
hit over there, and they have gotten a bump over there.
Shannon has to be feeling good about himself, as he should.
So now let's talk about this what is really going
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on behind the scenes of this one. Let's take you
behind the veil. Oh, let me first dispute the claim,
the myth misnomer that ESPN is just bar food. Right,
and I've been guilty of thinking that before too, because
you tell a lie long enough, you tell a lie
strong enough and loud enough.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Shoot, don't think it's real. Don't think it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
But ESPN is not just bar food, not just backdrop
TV at every sports bar and every library and every airport. No,
it's not that. Let's dispel that myth. Why because ESPN
here's a report. This was about a year ago ESPN
reached approximately seventy six million television households in the United States.
(24:26):
All right, that was back then. Let me take you
to August of this year, So what is that a
month or so ago. For the first time, and I quote,
the most carried cable sports network in the United States is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
FS one, per the Sports Business Jural Journal.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Nielsen's latest estimates indicate that FS one is now in
seventy one point three million households. Okay, so whatever you
want to say in terms of cable, in terms of
households in the same amount if not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
F's one got ESPNB. So now if we have that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Level playing field, let's talk through what's really going on undisputed.
Since they got the new cast, everybody you would they
debut August twenty eighth, something like that. They've had an
extra week because Shannon came on the week after, I
think like September fourth.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So the new cast, their ratings have eclipsed two hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Thousand once once and this was as recent as last week.
The ratings I saw once over two hundred thousand. Their
lowest was one hundred and eight thousand, Okay, so once
over two hundred. Most of them in the hundreds and
one one oh eight lowes. First Take, on the other hand,
(25:46):
has gone over seven hundred thousand three times one week
fewer in terms of its viewership because Shannon got there
a week later, seven hundred thousand plus three times in
a shorter amount of time.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And they're lowest, remember Undisputed lowest one o eight.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Three sixty seven for First Take, So basically First takes
lowest rating, it's close to almost double Undisputed its highest rating.
Say that again, First Takes lowest rating is almost double
Undisputed its highest rating. Okay, they're lowest rating for First
(26:28):
Take five hundred and five thousand, lowest for Undisputed once
again is one hundred and eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What the hell is going on here?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, there is something that's going on here that we
all know, but we're all not saying this disruption of cable.
We get that linear cable. You know everyone's pulling the core.
We get it, Okay, but there's something also going on
in terms of the content, content creators and those who
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have a greater online present Right, who has the greatest
online presence if you want to include social media, that
will probably be Stephen A. Smith, Right, there with Shannon
Sharp one and two baby, Shannon got them beat. Shannon
has them beaten YouTube. I think Steven A. Smith got
them beat in social media. But hey whatever, they're one
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and two together, then they're skipped three. Now, if you
look at Stephen A. Smith's podcast, you look at Shannon's podcast,
and you look at Skiff's podcasts, I think that is
congruent to what I just gave you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
In terms of the ratings.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's almost parallel of Oh, you put those two guys
together who have those tremendous followings and subscriber lists on
their podcast on a linear cable show Boom to the Moon.
You put Skip Bayless, who when we say, let's take
them away from FS one and that machinery, that engine
(27:56):
and just say, hey, people rock with Skip Baylor's y'all
ain't rocking with Skip Bayless. In terms of his podcast now,
it's gonna be interesting to see how that is detailing
what the future of Undisputed is because he ain't thrown
anyone on the show, and as we saw in the beginning,
at least he was willing to take the back seat.
(28:18):
He was willing to be more of a moderator We'll
see how that plays. Because right now Skip Bayless' is
Q rating in terms of future indicating how he's going
to have the impact. It's down, man, It's down trajectory,
simple as that. So I want to know what y'all
grade first take, like as a show grade first take
(28:38):
beat it up in the comics, undisputed grade that beat
it up in the commics, right, because right now Shannon
knows he ain't.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Even filmed himself. He's like, oh, it is what it is. Right.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
We in cruise control and we beating y'all in six gear,
y'all mashing the gas. We just chilling at the red
light and still beating y'all. It's interesting to see how
that goes. And y'all, I'm a fan in this way.
I mean, look, I love it. Hey compete, compete, go
at each other. At the same time, he going at
(29:09):
somebody that months ago was your dude? What's your dude? Now?
I guess hey, different colors were wearing different stripes, we
wearing different uniform let's go. So do y'all like this
feud or y'all like, man, come on, man, let that
stuff go.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Why? Oh man, it's the racial show, right, here.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Boy, it's so crazy to me that people really get
caught up in race in twenty twenty three. Please don't
give me a history lesson. Please please stop right now. Dog,
all right, I understand people judge you by your color,
your skin, and yep, you're ignorant whoever you are. But
let's talk about this and see if this is ignorance.
Right now, skip Bailey's basically surmised that some of the
(29:53):
hate that's coming at Dion Sanders is coming from specifically
white coaches that take issue with this.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Let's talk about the white coach, Dan Lanning, right, And
we saw that pregame speech and went viral.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're already seen it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
We already disgusted right about the hypes around in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And substance and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So Oregon's playing for wins, Colorado's playing for clicks, Okay, okay,
And it was some irony they said in that. And
I mentioned it as well, because Oregon is known, if
you want to say, the top schools, known for more
of the flash, known for more of the hype, known
for more of what they do in sizzle and substance.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But they ain't want no.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Natty, but they have won non conference championships since ninety four,
so can't take nothing away from him.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But at the same time, it felt like Flash talking
about hype. It was kind of weird. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Skip Bayles cart notice of this as well, and he
was not alone, but he was one of those who
criticized the intensity and to perceive negativity in Lanning's attitude
towards Dion Sanders, even though Lanning has been on record
before the game and after the game given Dion his
props of what he's doing in terms of the inner
electricity and excitement he's bringing to college football. But that
(31:05):
always gets lost, you know, the positive things always get lost, Right,
Everybody wants to go and focus in on the car crash,
So let's do that. Skip Bayles suggested there's a deeper
issue at play here among white coaches against Dion Sanders.
He says, quote, there's a deep rooted, venomous vengeance that
(31:25):
is starting to manifest itself against Dion among white coaches.
Whoa way, I took exception to that, and I'm gonna
tell you why later, all right. So Landon responded to
Skip Bayless, stating that he doesn't know him and has
watched him frequently get things wrong, implying that Bayless's comments
were inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, I don't know Skip at all. I've never had
a conversation with him.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've watched him enough to know that how often he
gets it wrong, So that sounds about right. That was
a good word play, right there. I know how often
he gets it wrong, so that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right. That's really good? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So Lanna defended his pregame speech as he's emphasizing that
it was meant to motivate.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
His team, not your team, his team, and.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Express positive sentiment sentiments about how Deon Sanders has affected football.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
We all know that the energy and exciting the college
football feels like it's at not an all time high,
but certainly of late recent history.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
We are on a different level right now.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't know if we're on a different level in
terms of play, but the energy around college football is fun.
We saw Notre Dame play Ohio State and that was
the most watched.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Game in thirty years. Did I hear that?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yes, y'all out there loving some college football right now?
So we got a racial component to this. So let's
break it down. What an impossible position to put Dan
Lanning in if your skipped Bayless this white on white crime,
to have to defend this, to defend his statement of
saying that he went at Dion senators because he's white
(33:00):
and Deon is black and there's this deep rooted, venomous
vengeance that he possesses that is manifesting itself in his comments.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
How do you disprove this?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
First of allf you're Dan Landing, let me help you
out hire the wily law firm of Wiley and Wyler Wyler,
And the first thing you need to.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Do is just look at the landscape.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So he's saying this is a white coaching issue against
Dion Sanders, a black coach. When there's a landscape of
one hundred and thirty three Football Bowl Subdivision teams FBS teams,
one hundred and thirty three, how many of them have
black head coaches? Anybody you want to take Dion out
(33:44):
to mix? Okay, let's do that four others. Con't you
hate when you got to like disprove and approve a negative?
Don't you hate that he'd be like Dom, I'm coaching
against almost all all white coaches. So anything they say
that praises me or criticizes me is gonna come from
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more than likely a white coach. Let me give you
what that really means. How let me crystallize that for you.
When you do sports media like myself, like all the
guys we talk about all the time, and you cover
the major sports football, basketball, you're typically gonna talk about
who black people.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Therefore, you're gonna get the label at times.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Now some people deserve the label, but you're gonna get
the label at times of being too critical of black people. Well,
let me just tell you, that's the pool that we
swimming in. It's fifty to seventy some percent black people
out there, depending on the sport. That's the same thing
that's happening right here. But I don't want to dismiss
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it totally to just the numbers, but largely to the numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's say that Dion.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Also, this is another thing to help you, Dan Landy,
you better hire me on retainer. Wh Wyley, This ain't
the first time Dion caught smoke as a head coach
Jackson State.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Anybody y'all want to go back through those receipts.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Hell or what he think he is?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He walking on the field all early doing around the circus.
Were they white?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Were they white head coaches at HBCUs they were white?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Oh they weren't. Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
See what I'm saying this is that BS skipper is
on that BS with this. I mean, look, it gets
the attention, it gets the clicks against me talking about it,
and I'm gonna talk about it just to parse away
the real from the faith. But do better. It's crazy,
It's a faulty premise. White coaches hate Dion. No, you
know who hates Dion? And I bet it gonna be
a black coach sooner or later. Status quo coaches, people
(35:44):
who just like it the way it is, Lazy recruiters,
you know what I mean. People who just like the
simple life, Oh the way it was. You know. You
know I'm talking about the one who always making lemonade
with anime, you know, them that ain't got nothing to
do with this landing. The only thing I didn't like,
and it was nippicking. The only thing I didn't like
(36:04):
is that he used a lot of dion fuel in
his gas, A lot of Dion octane in his gas.
That's gonna come back and hurt him sooner or later.
I don't know when Dion is good. When this team
has offensive defense alignment like they should, that matches their
skill position players, you'll see. But only status quote coaches
is gonna have a problem with this. Those who are
nimble have no problem. It kind of parallels me and
(36:27):
like being a FS one being an ESPN and then realizing,
oh wow, there's another space where you can do the
same thing you know, and you can build yourself up.
The nimble adapt and the status quo the stoic get
off my lawn, just sits there and complains all the
way through it. I wasn't gonna do that. F it's
wanting to deserve that. I chold to deserve that nick
right in them ton deserve that I can't get on
(36:49):
their shows and be over there being like.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Cyberpuff like I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So same thing with these coaches, man, when they have
something to critical about Dion, make sure you separate. They
mad at Dion because they are a black coach like
Jackson State when he was there. They mad at Deonka
because they're a white coach like that Colorado he's there,
or are they just mad at Dion or are they
just mad at what Dianna is representing? But black or white,
Diona already caught smoke. It wasn't about the race of
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the coach. It was about the fact that Dion is
doing something different. And as you have learned from the
beginning of time, if you ever try to lead people
in a different way, there's gonna be some hell to pay,
even on Earth. So Sion is going through that. Stop
Skip better, it's too better, all right? So let's talk
(37:39):
about this. Y'all feel there's jealousy obviously about Dion, But
do you think it's racial? And if so, how much
of it? We got black coaches killing them, we got
white coaches killing them. I mean, y'all, give me another
lane to look at this. And does Skip really have
an ounce of truth to what he's saying? Do you
really believe Skip beating up in the comments? Beat me
up in the comments? AT's talk about that and what
(38:00):
impact that any Kenny statements have on college football? You
think this is gonna change up the media dynamics. Coaches
are now using each other for clickbait to go at it,
then college football wants that they want the wild wild West,
or they kind of like nah, br chill s ketch kirk.
Oh man, Oh, I'm glad y'all stopped doing that in
them songs, you rappers kuts kirk. Y'all ever listen to
(38:21):
iTunes and get it like deep in the playlist or
like some no name rappers like you all know who
it is. It's like Jay curb Crazy. You're like, all right,
who's Jake curb Crazy from Saint Louis or something. You
listen to him, and he doing all the things that
the big artists do, but it just don't sound the same.
That always cracks me up. I'm like, I hope it
works for you, cause the beat sound kind of the same.
You're doing this ketch kirk and you do it all,
(38:42):
but it just all right whatever, All right, man, Let's
get into this bonus topic right here after we show
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Sean Peyton? Oops, Hey, Shan faith boy, what had happened
(39:25):
with you?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
This era of Denver Bronco football under Sean Payton off
to a slow start. It's begun poorly. They're zero and
three right now, now seventy twenty loss. We saw humiliating
to the Miami Dolphins. You let somebody boat race you
like that. It's time to look in the mirror, everybody. All,
y'all get in front of some mirrors, right, But this
(39:48):
is a different lane of it. Local media has taken
issue with it, and y'all remember Brandon Stokely. I remember
Brandon Stokely ride receiver for the Denver Broncos. Actually I
think that's my daughter's godfather, Like I should really know that, right,
but I think so, long story, but I get to
it one day, all right. So for the handling of
the media, and he accuses Sean Payton of favoring national
(40:13):
media over local reporters, and.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I was like, wow, we're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I remember when I played Cats used to act like that,
Like d be sitting there at their locker and then
our sports media person comes in and he's like, hey, Marcellus, Hey,
so and so we got Ken Holsen house here from
a Buffalo Tribune and You're like, okay, now me, I
was always nice, but I'm just using me because I
(40:40):
don't want to out any of my teammates protected guilty.
So they were like, oh okay, and then he'd be like, oh, no,
we have Peter King from sports History. Oh really, where
Peter at?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Like, no, why are you doing that? Dude, Peter? Why
are you doing rolls the house like that?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Man?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Get that man some love.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
So here's the thing, this is what Brandon's had to
say about it, honestly here and I'm a Sean Payton fan. Here.
You don't get passes when you come in and you
treat the local media one way.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But the national media another way.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
So he pointed out how peyton Is has a contrasting
style and treatment of national versus local media, and he's
got frustration with the approach. He said, quote, You've just
got to get up there and take it like a
big boye. If that was a national reporter, if that
was Seth Wickersham or Jared Bell, he would have answered
it like that, I can promise you that.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And that's what pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's talking about that response with Sean Payton was like, yeah,
I answered that already.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What's the question.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's maybe it always made me think I don't care
enough because I never lose myself like that. When I
played and stuff, I was like, why am I mad
at you? Like I don't displace my aggression. If I'm
mad at you, I'm mad at you. But guess who
I'm mad at that team that just whooped my ass?
Who am I mad at my team that didn't show up?
(41:57):
Why am I taking that out? That is some chump
change shit. When I see that every time, I'm like, dah,
you're weak taking it out on this dude, the dud
dude he asked the question. Yeah, I mean, what he
really wanted to ask is the real uh bruh. You
said a lot coming into this this job, and you
said a lot this off season.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
You said a lot about Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You want to retract any of that, because uh, Nathaniel
Hacker never looked like this, that old school approach where
you assume that a reporter, oh, because he loco can't
reach everybody.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's so nineties, like dog.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All these cats got followings, all these cats got social media,
all these cats report to other publications.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
All these cats could reach everybody. It's over.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
That game is played talking loud and ain't saying nothing.
That's what Sean Payton is starting to look like, because
it's crazy. He three and oh, I mean, oh, he
wishes real oh and three. Guess it was two and
one last year. Nathaniel Hacket two and one. That now
it ended five and twelve. But he started off two
and one, started off faster than Sean Payton even beat
the forty nine ers last year.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Come on, Sean Payton, do better.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right. Came in there, and I swear he was employed
in part because he had the stripes, he had the create,
he had the resume, he had the championship medal to
go out there and detach this organization if necessary.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
From Russell Wilson, I always say that.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
But now somewhere Nathaniel Hacking is over there, like yeah,
what y'all dot that.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Actually sound pretty good?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I me joing, ain't no fun one the rabbit got
the gun. And Doc Nathaniel Hacker like, what you say?
What seventy to twenty oh and three? I was two
and one and the worst loss they had was to
the defending champs, the Rams at that time, which weren't
looking like the defending champs, but they still beat them
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fifty one fourteen. So Nathaniel like, no, you're starting off
worse than me. You ain't making Russell Wilson look that
much better. If anything, worst record, worst boat race, got killed.
What'd you say I did? I was the worst coach
in NFL history? You said something? So man, All I
(44:06):
want to say is Sean Payton, get right, bro, because
you came into this job swearing, and I thought so too,
that he was gonna be the guy that was gonna
be able to bring the fist in the hard hand,
heavy hand to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Get this organization reset.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Now you keep doing this, they gonna look past Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
SAI, we're gonna keep the quarterback. We gotta get rid
of s Champayton.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
He ain't all in that TV messed him up them
last year's in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Let's look at him again. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I'm telling you it happens fast in the NFL. So
how do y'all think coaches should manage media relations like?
Obviously not talk to somebody like that, But what's the
best way to do it? I mean, you, hot one, Hunter,
you just got embarrassed for the world to see. You
lost twenty to seventy, not seventy to twenty. You lost
twenty to seventy. You don't want to be talking to nobody,
but you gotta talk. How do you think they could
fix that? And how important is a relationship with the
(44:58):
media from a coach's perspective?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
We there to watch the game. I'm give a damn
what you are thinking, coach? Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Actually I do? Ah, No, I don't. It depends on it, right,
So y'all beat that up in the comments, al right?
And do y'all think there is a difference between national
and local media think you should treat them different? Like
being real?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
You know you.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Local homie, I'm good, homy or and thennational h what's up?
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Baby?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
How you doing? You want to go out tonight? You
know what I mean says you treat them different. All right,
y'all trying to fuck up some comments, fuck us some comments. Yeah,
let's talk about that social deletion. You are that dude.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I've been trying to tell my son exactly what you
are saying, but not as eloquent as you just shared
this with them. Thank you. Yes, I'm glad you did
share with them. Do not run away from anything in
this world. Man, If you gotta deal with it, deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
People say you don't have to deal with social media.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yes you do. Even if you don't have it, everybody
else don't have it, and they gonna post you. You'll
have to have social media get posted. You have to
have social media for people talk about you. To me,
I'm big believer in that. If it's existing, I'm gonna
learn how to coexist with it.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I'm gonna learn how to defeat it. I'm gonna learn
how to not let it get to me. That's all
I'm saying, y'all. I ain't saying live online.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I'm just saying, when online talk trash about you go
like this on borning. The trolls win when they get
under your thin skin, and perhaps the one deleting their
social media is the.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Troll right, Yes, well your thin skin.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
If you can't, if you can't have a profile to
show all your friends from third grade, all your friends
from college that you ain't gonna group text all of them.
You ain't gonna call them all, you ain't gonna email
them all. You got this platform all of us have
where your friends could check in. Do you know how
we went to the funeral in Canada? Every single family
(46:45):
member kept coming up to me saying, oh my god,
it looks so fun what you guys were up to.
Oh my god, MJ playing football looks amazing. I love
like you think I'm texting them using up my international
red surmon on them.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
No, I'm not so stop it.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
It's a rough time to be named either Russell or
Wilson in sports these days.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Everybody hates you.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Some of it not warranted facts, mister wildy, Zach Wilson
is closer to being out the league than being a
good quarterback. You ain't lying, But he's still close to
being a good quarterback. But you're right closer to in
out the league. Butter or jelly on that toast, he's
toast three years the team was wearing Mike White My
quarterback T shirts last year. There's a reason why they
went after a damn near forty year old Rogers. Facts. Facts,
(47:27):
But you know, I'm positive, y'all. I believe the children
are our future. Thank you, Lou Hoats. Maybe Coach Day
needed some motivation material. I watched the interview and I
considered it comedy. It wasn't that serious. Speaking of Lou Hoas,
have you caught his rebuttal of Day's rant. It's hilarious
as well. Dag lou Holst got jokes. He one of
those dudes that got to like those, uh, those those jokes,
(47:49):
those joke book jokes. But he can just keep rapid
firing them. I remember we used to work together. He
just what about this one? Marcella's I remember, I can't
remember Jack. I can't remember people now. I can't remember
people on my classes. I can't remember people on my team.
And he was like, YO, want to watch this joke.
I was like, Blue Hols, you got a brain, bro,
all right? Micah versus Tyreek Hill? Good for the game
(48:11):
gets you hype like a boxing match. Tyreek Hill is
a lion, but Parsons is one two We all know
Miami's gonna win that game, do we? Yeah, I would
bet if. I mean, I think they're their favorite. I
don't know they're gonna win. Talk about the Broncos getting
seventy hung on them after Champagne called the pass coach
the worst coaching job he's ever seen. You are the
head coach that was unacceptable. At least Nathaniel never got
(48:33):
seventy hung on them. I know, you know, I embarrassed.
I don't know if Champagne married or single. You imagine
being in that house being his boo and he come
home and this ain't why he mad. He ain't as
mad as they lost seventy to twenty as he stepped
in and said.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Somebody was worse than him that didn't lose that bad.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
There is no escape, can't get it up wave dumping
with them funky Rhyns where that from. There's no escape,
no escape. And if you was boo, you was just
sitting there on the side of the couch, you know
you are. Your girl sit on the side of the
couch is looking at you, and she's just looking at you,
and you're looking straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
She's looking at you, and she's just looking like that's pathetic.
She ain't gonna say.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
When your woman doesn't say anything to support you, you
know why, because she can't because she's thinking you're pathetic.
That's why I know it. When my wife does, I'm like,
damn done, say something good.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
She can't.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
All right, y'all know, I'll we finished every show. We
finishing with a wily ism.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Living in the world where truth is gossip and lies
are gospel testified.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Why the way, no lie.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm seeing some of that in terms of when I
am giving candor candidly talking through situations, giving you ammunition, evidence,
receipts that you're not privy to heaven. Some people would
think that's gossip because it's the truth. Meanwhile, you'll watch
(50:05):
somebody on television a lot of the asshole because I
know I know, because I know them, and I know it. Dog.
Do you know how many text messages that I still
have that I will never ever, ever ever show y'all
or tell you where it's from, but said one thing
on that text and said something complete, not kind of different,
completely opposite on air. How many times I've been sitting
(50:28):
there talking to somebody and then at the end of
the break, They say, all right, dog, so what you
really feel?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
I was like, you punk to me what.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I really feel? I just said it, all right.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
What did you really feel?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh? Oh, I thought you were just saying that child please.
So I'm like, man, people really out there like that dog.
But they say it long enough and loud enough, y'all
think it's true, and then that becomes gospel. And then
when somebody comes through really with the truth, you think
they lying and you think they gossiping. Ain't that crazy?
Ain't that ain't they what they say? Fish full let
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It's just wild out here in these streets right now.
So what we need is a better moral compass. What
we need is more people speaking up. It's the cocktail party,
it's the PC ness of our society. They are boxed
people in to not say what they really feel. Case
in point, somebody hit me yesterday and showed me this picture,
(51:26):
and the picture was of a dude somewhere online.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Stressed out.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
It was two fathers stressed out because they just had
a baby from a surrogate. Two dudes had a baby,
and one of the dudes was like stressed out, And
I was like, Okay, what's the what's the problem. And
then and then he was like, you don't see a
problem in that, and they were going back on the
group text. He ain't do nothing, why he's stressed? And
(51:52):
I was like, okay, why you show me that you
know him? Won't you tell him that first? Now that's homie,
were friends like you, who needs enemies? Right?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Like, it's crazy, man, you're telling me all this smoking.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
We group text about it all like, look, he looks
tired from a marathon. He didn't run right, check his
shoes they clean. I get it, But why are you
telling me first and not him? You want to know why?
Because we're living in the world where truth is gossip
and the lies are gospel. People get shook telling somebody
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the real because they're gonna be looked at like, uh man,
we don't got so used to just b essen that
we don't know the real from the face. So make
sure that you are not a part of this world,
or do your damn best, because I know how it goes.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
There's always that social pressure.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Why you over here keeping they won you know what
I mean? But just know that we're living in the
world where truth is gossip and lies are gospel.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
All right, y'all got to do it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
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Do ah?
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I am boogie as hell.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yesterday I took my three indy biddies to their first
group tennis lesson yup, and let me just say this
and exactly as expected, which was not what we wished.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like my three year old ain't about no discipline yet.
I hope she turns into a wily soon, because boy,
I'm looking at her like my grandma, my mama, this
ain't this ain't allowed, Like she just don't give it.
But I will say this. At that age, even the
instructor was like, wait till they're in their force. But
you know, you always try to get ahead of it
(02:24):
or you want her to be a part of the group.
Where you going, daddy, We're going to take big brother
and big sister to play tennis, and you stay your
butt homes. Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I'm like, all right, we'll come home and then
she in do a thing.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
My four year old. Ooh, she got to work on
her hand out of coordination. Like she's into dance, she's
into theaters, she's into gymnastics.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But this is the first time she ever did something
with a ball.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And I was like, okay, okay, you got all the
muscles and you super fast. Even in instructor was like, goodness,
this girl can run. I was like, yeah, she's fast fast,
But that ball came at us. She was like, and
MJ was MJ, y'all know what MJ is. I gotta
stop MJ. Man. He that little boy could do some
stuff anyway. So we had a good time out there
despite the mosquitos. Still at me. Thanks for all the
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tips on how to get rid of these mosquitos out here.
And other than that, went home, was going to a
pickleball outing, one of those open settings where random strangers
are members of the country club just come and meet
and play open pickleball. So I'm like, I'm leaving my
house and I got a pick aball corp. But I'm
gonna go meet some strangers and play with them. But
(03:35):
I went with my guy Daddy, that's my dog right there,
and we played some random people and let me just
say randomly, they were whipping me up, but we ended
up getting ourselves fixed and we ended up winning a couple.
After that, had a little buffet, kicked in, had a
drank or two hydrate, I felt grown, you know, took
the kids to lessons, and then went out there and
played a little myself and hung out with some new buds.
(03:58):
Right yeah, all right, let's speak of enough new buzz.
Let's get into this show. Because Colin Kaepernick wants a
new squad. Yes, he wants to be on the New
York Jets, but not the active squad. He said, I'll
take what you give me, hommy. I'll be on the
practice squad, so he wrote a letter to the New
York Jets general manager Joe Douglas expressing his interests in
(04:19):
joining the teens practice squad. First thing I thought of
is like, how the hell this letter get out? And
why did this letter get out? Hmm. I don't even
want to go too deep into that. But if I'm
Colin Kaepernick or his team, why am I putting this
letter out? Now? It goes with the narrative that I've
always said that Colin Kaepernick knows he can't play, so
(04:39):
all he has to do is act like he wants
to play, and then that's gonna make him continue to
be a martyr. I've always said that. Ah. But at
the same time, you know there are reporters out there
that do their job. Maybe this just got caught up
in the process. Anyway, Kaepernick's letter was in response to
the injury of Aaron Rodgers, and we know the Jets
are trying to win a champion ship.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
At least they were this offseason.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
At least they were for four players in that first
game right now with Zach Wilson. Even though you just
close to maybe turning it on Zach Wilson, you this
far in terms of the results right now. So Colin
Kaepernick said he was writing in response to the unfortunate
loss of Aaron Rodgers, and he wanted to keep the
team on a super Bowl track, keep them moving down
that super Bowl track. Now that's not being so honest
(05:26):
in this moment, because he knows damn well they off track.
That's why he write a letter. So I don't want
to be hypercritical, but keep it real, dog, you ain't.
I want you all to continue going on this what track?
That track behind us? And you think you're gonna fix it,
say you're gonna fix it. Then don't say you're just
coming in here to just be a fly on the
wall or on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I digress.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So he explicitly stated that he wasn't seeking the starting
quarterback position, but rather wanted to join the practice squad
to help prepare the defense. Now, I thought that was strategic,
even though it's not genuine, I think it's strategic. Hey,
I just said, I know a lot of people think
I only wanted to be a starter. Remember that narrative.
And then he went up to Seattle. They were like,
you can't be the starter. We got Russell Wilson up here.
(06:09):
He didn't want that job, or it didn't work out,
whatever you want to do, etc. So he's trying to
dispel that, which is a smart play, except it's not
the smartest play if you're being real about this situation,
because this problem is the starting quarterback position. So you
want to come help keep us on a super Bowl
track we're not on anymore by being the backup on
(06:31):
practice squad. That ain't our problem. Okay. So anyway, he says,
as much as I would love the opportunity to feel
that starting spot, I'm writing you in hopes that you
can imagine a much different approach involving me. I would
be honored and extremely grateful for the opportunity to come
in and lead the practice squad. All right, says the
first man ever. All Right, let me just tell y'all
something for y'all who don't know what the practice squad is. Look,
(06:55):
they make money, they make job money, they make career money.
But the ego, like I'm just telling y'all because it's
all about keeping up with the Joneses, and it's not
just financially, because there's gonna be some dudes on your
team making twenty thirty million a year and you making
one hundred thousand, couple hundred thousand, right, It ain't that.
It's the fact that you are doing the same job
(07:19):
as that guy and not that he's making ninety x
that you're making. Is that he gets to treat you
if he wanted to a little worse than everyone else.
Now I would say ninety x, but you wouldn't be
on the team. You still a grown ass man. Right.
But at the same time, cats be boobooing on practice squad.
Cats like, go go get that homie. What I'm old.
(07:42):
I'm as old as you, brother, Like, so, practice squad
ain't for the for.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
The faint of heart. Let's just say that, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
But Colin Kaepernick at this age would like to take
that take any opportunity can. So despite the star status,
we know who he is. He's a beast. When he
was out there to the end, it kind of started
to taper off and plateau go down. He had a
Super Bowl appearance and he was just saying, look, I'm
humble and I want to be on the squad. I
would do this with the sole mission of getting your
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defense ready each week.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It is one of the quotes.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He also said, unlike many of the veteran quarterbacks that
have been named in the media, I've never retired or
stopped training. The Jets had not signed Kaepernick at the
time of this article, and this conversation, Trevor Simeon is
the guy that they actually signed to their practice squad instead. Okay,
(08:35):
Kaepernick said, he's ready, all right. I can't doubt that.
I can't doubt that. I can't doubt his talent. I
can't down his ability. I can't I haven't seen it,
but I can't doubt it because there was a time
where when you talk about arm, talent and.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Mobility, that he was krem de la creme.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
He was top of the heat. There was a time
where also reading defenses wasn't his strength. But there was
a time where the results spoke for themselves, and you
were looking at Colin Kaepernick like a whole different man
than you are right now. Practice squad back then would
have never been a thought of yours. But we're here now,
and where are we now? Where at a place where
this just doesn't feel real to me? He sued the NFL.
(09:24):
He settled that with the NFL, that lost suit and
now wants to sign back to an NFL team. Everybody
listening to me right now knows how preposterous that sounds,
how ignorant that sounds. Right, However, let's go through the conversation.
Let's go through this process. This is the same process
(09:46):
that has the energy of you sue somebody. Oh it's
a rap. That's Stephen A. Smith to to energy.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know what I'm tinking about.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Steven A. Smith still mad at t O four years
later for a tempting to sue ESPN and bringing his
name into it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So y'all remember that energy. We're gonna keep that energy.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So we understand what this energy is as to say,
keep that same energy my guy.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Right, So if we.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Got that energy and respect, Hey, steven A he try
to sue you? Hey, that is kind of shady, all right,
people who are saying that, Well, then keep that energy.
You try to sue the NFL. No, oh, you did
suit the NFL. You wentn't even further and settled. And
I'm telling you, in every settlement I've ever seen, ever
been a part of, there is an NDA. And in
that NDA, there's some things you can't say. There's some
(10:31):
things the NFL can't do and say. And there's some
things you can't do and say. He can't tell us
what those are.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But I wonder, I wonder. I wonder if one of
them is you never gonna play in the NFL again?
I wonder.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I wonder he can't say, they can't say, But I
wonder how we really got here?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So we got this energy out there. Well, we know,
if somebody sue you, you good on them, you cool
on them. You ain't wish them death. But you're like, bro,
move miss me, right, steven A. Smith to t O
missed me, bro So NFL to Colin Kaepernick, missed me? Bruh,
Let's go past that. Okay, even if they could get
past that. Do they trust Colin Kaepernick? Do they trust
(11:11):
his intentions? Good or bad? Do they trust Colin Kaepernick
in the NFL? Y'all know that answer? No, because when
he was in the NFL, it wasn't the fact that
he silently.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Protested, nonviolently protested.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
It was the fact that you sued them and then
they gave you an opportunity for workout. You didn't like
how that worked out, You chose your own workout, etc. Etc.
A lot more of a firestorm than the NFL wanted.
It didn't support their economic models. Say whatever you want
to say, Okay, but here's the greatest thing of them all,
the NFL. Sometimes you ain't what is it a keto?
(11:48):
A keto the martial art. You don't even have to
use your strength against somebody. You use them against themselves, right,
You use somebody else's words and actions against themselves. So
Colin Kaepernick, when he was selling a documentary from Netflix,
say that the NFL was a slave plantation. Right, So
if we all heard him say that the NFL is
(12:10):
a slave plantation, why would you ever want to go
and practice on a squad on that slave planation? Got
to answer that before. I think the NFL is sitting
there open minded about this opportunity because it just makes
them not trust you even more.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You called thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Two teams making multimillionaires out of anybody that's on this team,
especially black people, because there's more black people on them
teams than not fifty five percent black, NFL seventy one percent.
I think it was sixty seven that world seventy percent minority.
I understand up top in the owner suite is billionaires,
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but I digress.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So the NFL is not a slave plantation or it is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Make up your mind, because who and hell will want
to work on a slave plantation in their own volition
on top of having the cause and being the face
of something like your cause and still saying but put
that to the side, I still want to play make
it make sense or as my grandma said, you can't
(13:18):
make sense out of nonsense, baby. So just getting that
all out the way, those, to me are the things
that are holding up this process.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And frankly, it's not holding it up. It's never gonna
come to fruition.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's never gonna happen, It's ever ever gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
For these reasons are much much more. But I don't
know that NDA.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I don't know what Colin Kaepernick signed away, but he
did and he knows, and the NFL did.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And they know, and that's why they are at this impasse.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, now, sidebar, because I'm talking about the energy of
suing somebody like Toota stephen A Smith and how that felt.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I want to say one thing too about Colin.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Kaepernick in terms of me, in my history of Colin Kaepernick,
because I've been very critical of him, then very critical
of him. Now I haven't changed my stance, but I
want to say one thing because.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
T o question stephen A.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Smith's blackness, I never questioned Colin Kaepernick's blackness. What I questioned,
if you really listen, was the definition of black and blackness.
Here's the thing I love, the uniqueness that we all possess.
We all got our own fingerprint, we all got our
own signature. Right, We're all different beings, right, we're all
(14:42):
uniquely the same, but we're all unique. So I grew
up where they were trying to box me in, you know,
and I told him quickly, Hello, the only box you're
gonna put me in is no box. You're not gonna
categorize me. Bro, You're not gonna make me enforce me
to have to go with some of public opinion. I'm
gonna do what I want to do, Marsha, to beat
(15:03):
to my own drum, respect Right. So in that same process,
I started to realize, like one in my neighborhood, it
was just simple, like you had to make these choices,
and it's crazy because these choices were polarizing, just like
I see, some of the choices were forced to make.
Now I grew up yet crippled blood.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And if you don't bang, that's a gang in itself,
because you're gonna now have to deal with everything right now.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
It's all this. Are you a Republican Democrat?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
You know? Are you liberal? You're conservative?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like they're just forcing you to choose. And if you
don't choose, who are you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Same thing I digress. I questioned the definition of black.
I questioned this one drop rule. I questioned a Colin
Kaepernick who didn't acknowledge or fully respect that he was
half white, that he was raised by a white family.
I questioned how he threw all that away and just
(15:56):
said he was black because of the general definition of
we're black. I like when you see a white person
and they say, eh, I'm white, but I'm actually Irish Italian.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You're like, whoa, Okay, break it down. Why do I
like that?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Because then I think that gives highlight to the uniqueness
that we all possess.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Stephen A.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Smith, he's black, right, but he's an islander black black
black black black, were all black. Colin Kaepernick's black, but
he's half white, half black, but he never says he's
half white, half black, or we never give proper respect
and credit to someone who is biracial.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Remember when Tiger Woods trying to do.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That, wh wh wh wha, It's like, god, dang tiger.
Tiger just grabbed a nine iron left left the studio.
He was like, never again, never again, and that's unfair.
You should have pride in all that you are, no
matter what that is. And that's being for real. I
know I say a lot of things with levity, but
in all seriousness, this whole one drop rule, this whole
like you got this much you or that and when't
(16:55):
It really was starting from a place of we don't
want you to be considered right, So if you got
any black and you're black, do y'all understand what that meant?
DoD yall understand what they really were saying. Not the
most positive of thing. So I just thought that he
would have come off to me more authentic if he
accepted who he was in totality and did Seale said
(17:17):
what he said, But he didn't, and then he all
of a sudden started to really talk bad about the
system of the oppression and disparaging white people. At times
in white America, And I was like, damn you saying
all that and not acknowledging that you half white. Yeah,
don't pass the smell test for me. Y'all make you
(17:39):
up your own opinion. So I just thought that was disingenuous.
How you sound talking down about.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All these things and all these people, and.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You were raised by white people and you are half white,
and you don't have to take my words for it.
Your own parents, your own family were like bruh.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
They had issue with it as well.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So it takes me to this place where right now
and raising my kids right and this is not the
same level. Trust me, I understand, but it does bring
this conversation home. My son is ambidextrous. MJ is ambidextrius. Seriously.
He will throw the football with his left hand, throw
anything with a left hand, but right penmanship with his
(18:21):
right hand.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Seriously, to the point we had to take him to
the doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And we were taking Now you know, I'm objecting to
this the hood in me like, I ain't going, no,
damn doctor, because this boy could right, he could write
with both hands if we want them to, and he
can throw both hands if we want them to. And
they were like, yeah, but at the same time, you
want him to have a dominant.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You want him to choose.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I was like, oh what, But they talked me through
it and I was all right, look as long as
he can write better, okay, because he was having little
issues with grabbing his pencil. Point of this whole conversation
is this, he's ambidextrous. It's okay, left and right. I
can do both. I am both. Colin Kaepernick, black and white.
You are black and white. You are both. It's okay.
(19:04):
Now show the pride that you have. Now show the calls.
Now show the effect. You want to have an impact
on this world from that place of a healthy perspective,
because when you come from that healthy perspective, it makes.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Me respect your perspective.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But to have the audacity to say that one of
us speaks for all of us, I'm sitting here as
a black man. Obviously I have my twenty three and
meters and there's some pieces of other things in there too,
But I sit here as a black man saying, wait
a minute, none of us.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Should speak for all of us. And you're not speaking
for me because you're not even speaking for you. You're not
even speaking for half of you.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I could go all day and all night on this.
I understand what he was saying. I understand the oppression
for my ancestors, But to say that the NFL is
a slave pantation?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, NFL pay for this, y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, we gonna equate this to what my
ancestors went through.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Stop playing.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
So let's see if he's gonna start playing. Do you
think that Colin Kaepernick will get an opportunity in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Again, do you think that this approach, what seems more
humble and showing humility than ever, is gonna work for
Colin Kaepernick? Or do you think all same song for
Colin Kaepernick in terms of the results, he won't be
in the NFL? Interesting, this was a different attack. Let's
see if it gets somewhere he wants to go or not.
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You know them?
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their true potential. All right, Well, it seems like Shannon
Sharp has left FS one and unlocked his true potential
because now he is on ESPN and First Take and
let's just say them ratings are showing Shannon has an
effect impact. So a lot of this is targeted at
his old show and a lot of this targeted at
(21:19):
his old co hosts, Skip Bayless. That battle is intensifying.
So he went on Stephen A. Smith's show and criticized
the ratings power of the new cast of Undisputed. Yeah
that's what he did, right. We know who's over there,
Michael Irvin, Keyshawn Johnson, Richard Sherman, etc. Little White with
they have baby, please take the baby, etc. Right, So
(21:41):
he was saying that he has confidence that him and
Stephen A. Smith will always be number one in the ratings.
Here's a quote, y'all not going to be better than
me and Steven A. That's not going to happen. I
promise you that it's not going to happen ever ever.
Have hell. Wow. So he emphasized that belief that neither
(22:03):
the new cast, nor Bayless nor none of y'all all
y'all remember that movie YouTube, because none of them could
outperform him and stephen A Smith on first take.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
He also talks about the possibility of taking over the
rains the first take if stephen A. Smith Ever ever
decided to leave. Here's a quote. Now, if stephen A says,
shouldn't I want to go in a different direction, you
are still not gonna beat first take in the ratings. God, Lee,
that's gang related because stephen A is that dude. And
(22:36):
if stephen Ay ever decides to leave and turn the rains.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Over to me, you all know I'm that dude. I'm him.
I'm glad he said that dude, not that dude, because
I'm that dude. All right.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
So basically, what or would our stephen A first take
is coming in first place, first taken, first place, first taken,
first place. That's what they do. Boy, used to love
that when you were and pop want to boo beat
them past?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Get it in. I digress, all right.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So first takes ratings have improved since Sharp joined the
show in September. It ain't no lie about it like
numbers of numbers objectively, it just says it, and it
leads to some of the public celebration we're seeing from
Shannon and from Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Smith on the flip side on disputed numbers.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, they're facing challenges and fighting and finding its footing.
As they wrote in this article after Shannon Sharp's departure,
Let's just be real about that. They have taken a
hit over there, and they have gotten a bump over there.
Shannon has to be feeling good about himself, as he should.
So now let's talk about this what is really going
(23:40):
on behind the scenes of this one. Let's take you
behind the veil. Oh, let me first dispute the claim,
the myth misnomer that ESPN is just bar food. Right,
and I've been guilty of thinking that before too, because
you tell a lie long enough, you tell a lie
strong enough and loud enough.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Shoot, don't think it's real. Don't think it's true.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
But ESPN is not just bar food, not just backdrop
TV at every sports bar and every library and every airport. No,
it's not that. Let's dispel that myth. Why because ESPN
here's a report. This was about a year ago ESPN
reached approximately seventy six million television households in the United States.
(24:26):
All right, that was back then. Let me take you
to August of this year, So what is that a
month or so ago. For the first time, and I quote,
the most carried cable sports network in the United States is.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
FS one, per the Sports Business Jural Journal.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Nielsen's latest estimates indicate that FS one is now in
seventy one point three million households. Okay, so whatever you
want to say in terms of cable, in terms of
households in the same amount if not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
F's one got ESPNB. So now if we have that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Level playing field, let's talk through what's really going on undisputed.
Since they got the new cast, everybody you would they
debut August twenty eighth, something like that. They've had an
extra week because Shannon came on the week after, I
think like September fourth.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So the new cast, their ratings have eclipsed two hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Thousand once once and this was as recent as last week.
The ratings I saw once over two hundred thousand. Their
lowest was one hundred and eight thousand, Okay, so once
over two hundred. Most of them in the hundreds and
one one oh eight lowes. First Take, on the other hand,
(25:46):
has gone over seven hundred thousand three times one week
fewer in terms of its viewership because Shannon got there
a week later, seven hundred thousand plus three times in
a shorter amount of time.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And they're lowest, remember Undisputed lowest one o eight.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Three sixty seven for First Take, So basically First takes
lowest rating, it's close to almost double Undisputed its highest rating.
Say that again, First Takes lowest rating is almost double
Undisputed its highest rating. Okay, they're lowest rating for First
(26:28):
Take five hundred and five thousand, lowest for Undisputed once
again is one hundred and eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
What the hell is going on here?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, there is something that's going on here that we
all know, but we're all not saying this disruption of cable.
We get that linear cable. You know everyone's pulling the core.
We get it, Okay, but there's something also going on
in terms of the content, content creators and those who
(26:57):
have a greater online present Right, who has the greatest
online presence if you want to include social media, that
will probably be Stephen A. Smith, Right, there with Shannon
Sharp one and two baby, Shannon got them beat. Shannon
has them beaten YouTube. I think Steven A. Smith got
them beat in social media. But hey whatever, they're one
(27:19):
and two together, then they're skipped three. Now, if you
look at Stephen A. Smith's podcast, you look at Shannon's podcast,
and you look at Skiff's podcasts, I think that is
congruent to what I just gave you.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
In terms of the ratings.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's almost parallel of Oh, you put those two guys
together who have those tremendous followings and subscriber lists on
their podcast on a linear cable show Boom to the Moon.
You put Skip Bayless, who when we say, let's take
them away from FS one and that machinery, that engine
(27:56):
and just say, hey, people rock with Skip Baylor's y'all
ain't rocking with Skip Bayless. In terms of his podcast now,
it's gonna be interesting to see how that is detailing
what the future of Undisputed is because he ain't thrown
anyone on the show, and as we saw in the beginning,
at least he was willing to take the back seat.
(28:18):
He was willing to be more of a moderator We'll
see how that plays. Because right now Skip Bayless' is
Q rating in terms of future indicating how he's going
to have the impact. It's down, man, It's down trajectory,
simple as that. So I want to know what y'all
grade first take, like as a show grade first take
(28:38):
beat it up in the comics, undisputed grade that beat
it up in the commics, right, because right now Shannon
knows he ain't.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Even filmed himself. He's like, oh, it is what it is. Right.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
We in cruise control and we beating y'all in six gear,
y'all mashing the gas. We just chilling at the red
light and still beating y'all. It's interesting to see how
that goes. And y'all, I'm a fan in this way.
I mean, look, I love it. Hey compete, compete, go
at each other. At the same time, he going at
(29:09):
somebody that months ago was your dude? What's your dude? Now?
I guess hey, different colors were wearing different stripes, we
wearing different uniform let's go. So do y'all like this
feud or y'all like, man, come on, man, let that
stuff go.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Why? Oh man, it's the racial show, right, here.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Boy, it's so crazy to me that people really get
caught up in race in twenty twenty three. Please don't
give me a history lesson. Please please stop right now. Dog,
all right, I understand people judge you by your color,
your skin, and yep, you're ignorant whoever you are. But
let's talk about this and see if this is ignorance.
Right now, skip Bailey's basically surmised that some of the
(29:53):
hate that's coming at Dion Sanders is coming from specifically
white coaches that take issue with this.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Let's talk about the white coach, Dan Lanning, right, And
we saw that pregame speech and went viral.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're already seen it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
We already disgusted right about the hypes around in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And substance and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So Oregon's playing for wins, Colorado's playing for clicks, Okay, okay,
And it was some irony they said in that. And
I mentioned it as well, because Oregon is known, if
you want to say, the top schools, known for more
of the flash, known for more of the hype, known
for more of what they do in sizzle and substance.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But they ain't want no.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Natty, but they have won non conference championships since ninety four,
so can't take nothing away from him.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
But at the same time, it felt like Flash talking
about hype. It was kind of weird. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Skip Bayles cart notice of this as well, and he
was not alone, but he was one of those who
criticized the intensity and to perceive negativity in Lanning's attitude
towards Dion Sanders, even though Lanning has been on record
before the game and after the game given Dion his
props of what he's doing in terms of the inner
electricity and excitement he's bringing to college football. But that
(31:05):
always gets lost, you know, the positive things always get lost, Right,
Everybody wants to go and focus in on the car crash,
So let's do that. Skip Bayles suggested there's a deeper
issue at play here among white coaches against Dion Sanders.
He says, quote, there's a deep rooted, venomous vengeance that
(31:25):
is starting to manifest itself against Dion among white coaches.
Whoa way, I took exception to that, and I'm gonna
tell you why later, all right. So Landon responded to
Skip Bayless, stating that he doesn't know him and has
watched him frequently get things wrong, implying that Bayless's comments
were inaccurate.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, I don't know Skip at all. I've never had
a conversation with him.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've watched him enough to know that how often he
gets it wrong, So that sounds about right. That was
a good word play, right there. I know how often
he gets it wrong, so that sounds about right.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right. That's really good? All right?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So Lanna defended his pregame speech as he's emphasizing that
it was meant to motivate.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
His team, not your team, his team, and.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Express positive sentiment sentiments about how Deon Sanders has affected football.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
We all know that the energy and exciting the college
football feels like it's at not an all time high,
but certainly of late recent history.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
We are on a different level right now.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't know if we're on a different level in
terms of play, but the energy around college football is fun.
We saw Notre Dame play Ohio State and that was
the most watched.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Game in thirty years. Did I hear that?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yes, y'all out there loving some college football right now?
So we got a racial component to this. So let's
break it down. What an impossible position to put Dan
Lanning in if your skipped Bayless this white on white crime,
to have to defend this, to defend his statement of
saying that he went at Dion senators because he's white
(33:00):
and Deon is black and there's this deep rooted, venomous
vengeance that he possesses that is manifesting itself in his comments.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
How do you disprove this?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
First of allf you're Dan Landing, let me help you
out hire the wily law firm of Wiley and Wyler Wyler,
And the first thing you need to.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Do is just look at the landscape.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So he's saying this is a white coaching issue against
Dion Sanders, a black coach. When there's a landscape of
one hundred and thirty three Football Bowl Subdivision teams FBS teams,
one hundred and thirty three, how many of them have
black head coaches? Anybody you want to take Dion out
(33:44):
to mix? Okay, let's do that four others. Con't you
hate when you got to like disprove and approve a negative?
Don't you hate that he'd be like Dom, I'm coaching
against almost all all white coaches. So anything they say
that praises me or criticizes me is gonna come from
(34:05):
more than likely a white coach. Let me give you
what that really means. How let me crystallize that for you.
When you do sports media like myself, like all the
guys we talk about all the time, and you cover
the major sports football, basketball, you're typically gonna talk about
who black people.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Therefore, you're gonna get the label at times.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Now some people deserve the label, but you're gonna get
the label at times of being too critical of black people. Well,
let me just tell you, that's the pool that we
swimming in. It's fifty to seventy some percent black people
out there, depending on the sport. That's the same thing
that's happening right here. But I don't want to dismiss
(34:47):
it totally to just the numbers, but largely to the numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's say that Dion.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Also, this is another thing to help you, Dan Landy,
you better hire me on retainer. Wh Wyley, This ain't
the first time Dion caught smoke as a head coach
Jackson State.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Anybody y'all want to go back through those receipts.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Hell or what he think he is?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
He walking on the field all early doing around the circus.
Were they white?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Were they white head coaches at HBCUs they were white?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Oh they weren't. Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
See what I'm saying this is that BS skipper is
on that BS with this. I mean, look, it gets
the attention, it gets the clicks against me talking about it,
and I'm gonna talk about it just to parse away
the real from the faith. But do better. It's crazy,
It's a faulty premise. White coaches hate Dion. No, you
know who hates Dion? And I bet it gonna be
a black coach sooner or later. Status quo coaches, people
(35:44):
who just like it the way it is, Lazy recruiters,
you know what I mean. People who just like the
simple life, Oh the way it was. You know. You
know I'm talking about the one who always making lemonade
with anime, you know, them that ain't got nothing to
do with this landing. The only thing I didn't like,
and it was nippicking. The only thing I didn't like
(36:04):
is that he used a lot of dion fuel in
his gas, A lot of Dion octane in his gas.
That's gonna come back and hurt him sooner or later.
I don't know when Dion is good. When this team
has offensive defense alignment like they should, that matches their
skill position players, you'll see. But only status quote coaches
is gonna have a problem with this. Those who are
nimble have no problem. It kind of parallels me and
(36:27):
like being a FS one being an ESPN and then realizing,
oh wow, there's another space where you can do the
same thing you know, and you can build yourself up.
The nimble adapt and the status quo the stoic get
off my lawn, just sits there and complains all the
way through it. I wasn't gonna do that. F it's
wanting to deserve that. I chold to deserve that nick
right in them ton deserve that I can't get on
(36:49):
their shows and be over there being like.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Cyberpuff like I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
So same thing with these coaches, man, when they have
something to critical about Dion, make sure you separate. They
mad at Dion because they are a black coach like
Jackson State when he was there. They mad at Deonka
because they're a white coach like that Colorado he's there,
or are they just mad at Dion or are they
just mad at what Dianna is representing? But black or white,
Diona already caught smoke. It wasn't about the race of
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the coach. It was about the fact that Dion is
doing something different. And as you have learned from the
beginning of time, if you ever try to lead people
in a different way, there's gonna be some hell to pay,
even on Earth. So Sion is going through that. Stop
Skip better, it's too better, all right? So let's talk
(37:39):
about this. Y'all feel there's jealousy obviously about Dion, But
do you think it's racial? And if so, how much
of it? We got black coaches killing them, we got
white coaches killing them. I mean, y'all, give me another
lane to look at this. And does Skip really have
an ounce of truth to what he's saying? Do you
really believe Skip beating up in the comments? Beat me
up in the comments? AT's talk about that and what
(38:00):
impact that any Kenny statements have on college football? You
think this is gonna change up the media dynamics. Coaches
are now using each other for clickbait to go at it,
then college football wants that they want the wild wild West,
or they kind of like nah, br chill s ketch kirk.
Oh man, Oh, I'm glad y'all stopped doing that in
them songs, you rappers kuts kirk. Y'all ever listen to
(38:21):
iTunes and get it like deep in the playlist or
like some no name rappers like you all know who
it is. It's like Jay curb Crazy. You're like, all right,
who's Jake curb Crazy from Saint Louis or something. You
listen to him, and he doing all the things that
the big artists do, but it just don't sound the same.
That always cracks me up. I'm like, I hope it
works for you, cause the beat sound kind of the same.
You're doing this ketch kirk and you do it all,
(38:42):
but it just all right whatever, All right, man, Let's
get into this bonus topic right here after we show
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Sean Peyton? Oops, Hey, Shan faith boy, what had happened
(39:25):
with you?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
All right?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
This era of Denver Bronco football under Sean Payton off
to a slow start. It's begun poorly. They're zero and
three right now, now seventy twenty loss. We saw humiliating
to the Miami Dolphins. You let somebody boat race you
like that. It's time to look in the mirror, everybody. All,
y'all get in front of some mirrors, right, But this
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is a different lane of it. Local media has taken
issue with it, and y'all remember Brandon Stokely. I remember
Brandon Stokely ride receiver for the Denver Broncos. Actually I
think that's my daughter's godfather, Like I should really know that, right,
but I think so, long story, but I get to
it one day, all right. So for the handling of
the media, and he accuses Sean Payton of favoring national
(40:13):
media over local reporters, and.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I was like, wow, we're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I remember when I played Cats used to act like that,
Like d be sitting there at their locker and then
our sports media person comes in and he's like, hey, Marcellus, Hey,
so and so we got Ken Holsen house here from
a Buffalo Tribune and You're like, okay, now me, I
was always nice, but I'm just using me because I
(40:40):
don't want to out any of my teammates protected guilty.
So they were like, oh okay, and then he'd be like, oh, no,
we have Peter King from sports History. Oh really, where
Peter at?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Like, no, why are you doing that? Dude, Peter? Why
are you doing rolls the house like that?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Man?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Get that man some love.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
So here's the thing, this is what Brandon's had to
say about it, honestly here and I'm a Sean Payton fan. Here.
You don't get passes when you come in and you
treat the local media one way.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
But the national media another way.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
So he pointed out how peyton Is has a contrasting
style and treatment of national versus local media, and he's
got frustration with the approach. He said, quote, You've just
got to get up there and take it like a
big boye. If that was a national reporter, if that
was Seth Wickersham or Jared Bell, he would have answered
it like that, I can promise you that.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
And that's what pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's talking about that response with Sean Payton was like, yeah,
I answered that already.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
What's the question.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's maybe it always made me think I don't care
enough because I never lose myself like that. When I
played and stuff, I was like, why am I mad
at you? Like I don't displace my aggression. If I'm
mad at you, I'm mad at you. But guess who
I'm mad at that team that just whooped my ass?
Who am I mad at my team that didn't show up?
(41:57):
Why am I taking that out? That is some chump
change shit. When I see that every time, I'm like, dah,
you're weak taking it out on this dude, the dud
dude he asked the question. Yeah, I mean, what he
really wanted to ask is the real uh bruh. You
said a lot coming into this this job, and you
said a lot this off season.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
You said a lot about Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You want to retract any of that, because uh, Nathaniel
Hacker never looked like this, that old school approach where
you assume that a reporter, oh, because he loco can't
reach everybody.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's so nineties, like dog.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
All these cats got followings, all these cats got social media,
all these cats report to other publications.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
All these cats could reach everybody. It's over.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
That game is played talking loud and ain't saying nothing.
That's what Sean Payton is starting to look like, because
it's crazy. He three and oh, I mean, oh, he
wishes real oh and three. Guess it was two and
one last year. Nathaniel Hacket two and one. That now
it ended five and twelve. But he started off two
and one, started off faster than Sean Payton even beat
the forty nine ers last year.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Come on, Sean Payton, do better.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right. Came in there, and I swear he was employed
in part because he had the stripes, he had the create,
he had the resume, he had the championship medal to
go out there and detach this organization if necessary.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
From Russell Wilson, I always say that.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
But now somewhere Nathaniel Hacking is over there, like yeah,
what y'all dot that.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Actually sound pretty good?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I me joing, ain't no fun one the rabbit got
the gun. And Doc Nathaniel Hacker like, what you say?
What seventy to twenty oh and three? I was two
and one and the worst loss they had was to
the defending champs, the Rams at that time, which weren't
looking like the defending champs, but they still beat them
(43:44):
fifty one fourteen. So Nathaniel like, no, you're starting off
worse than me. You ain't making Russell Wilson look that
much better. If anything, worst record, worst boat race, got killed.
What'd you say I did? I was the worst coach
in NFL history? You said something? So man, All I
(44:06):
want to say is Sean Payton, get right, bro, because
you came into this job swearing, and I thought so too,
that he was gonna be the guy that was gonna
be able to bring the fist in the hard hand,
heavy hand to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Get this organization reset.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Now you keep doing this, they gonna look past Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
SAI, we're gonna keep the quarterback. We gotta get rid
of s Champayton.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
He ain't all in that TV messed him up them
last year's in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Let's look at him again. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I'm telling you it happens fast in the NFL. So
how do y'all think coaches should manage media relations like?
Obviously not talk to somebody like that, But what's the
best way to do it? I mean, you, hot one, Hunter,
you just got embarrassed for the world to see. You
lost twenty to seventy, not seventy to twenty. You lost
twenty to seventy. You don't want to be talking to nobody,
but you gotta talk. How do you think they could
fix that? And how important is a relationship with the
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media from a coach's perspective?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
We there to watch the game. I'm give a damn
what you are thinking, coach? Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Actually I do? Ah, No, I don't. It depends on it, right,
So y'all beat that up in the comments, al right?
And do y'all think there is a difference between national
and local media think you should treat them different? Like
being real?
Speaker 2 (45:14):
You know you.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Local homie, I'm good, homy or and thennational h what's up?
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Baby?
Speaker 1 (45:19):
How you doing? You want to go out tonight? You
know what I mean says you treat them different. All right,
y'all trying to fuck up some comments, fuck us some comments. Yeah,
let's talk about that social deletion. You are that dude.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I've been trying to tell my son exactly what you
are saying, but not as eloquent as you just shared
this with them. Thank you. Yes, I'm glad you did
share with them. Do not run away from anything in
this world. Man, If you gotta deal with it, deal
with it.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
People say you don't have to deal with social media.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yes you do. Even if you don't have it, everybody
else don't have it, and they gonna post you. You'll
have to have social media get posted. You have to
have social media for people talk about you. To me,
I'm big believer in that. If it's existing, I'm gonna
learn how to coexist with it.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
I'm gonna learn how to defeat it. I'm gonna learn
how to not let it get to me. That's all
I'm saying, y'all. I ain't saying live online.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I'm just saying, when online talk trash about you go
like this on borning. The trolls win when they get
under your thin skin, and perhaps the one deleting their
social media is the.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Troll right, Yes, well your thin skin.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
If you can't, if you can't have a profile to
show all your friends from third grade, all your friends
from college that you ain't gonna group text all of them.
You ain't gonna call them all, you ain't gonna email
them all. You got this platform all of us have
where your friends could check in. Do you know how
we went to the funeral in Canada? Every single family
(46:45):
member kept coming up to me saying, oh my god,
it looks so fun what you guys were up to.
Oh my god, MJ playing football looks amazing. I love
like you think I'm texting them using up my international
red surmon on them.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
No, I'm not so stop it.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
It's a rough time to be named either Russell or
Wilson in sports these days.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Everybody hates you.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Some of it not warranted facts, mister wildy, Zach Wilson
is closer to being out the league than being a
good quarterback. You ain't lying, But he's still close to
being a good quarterback. But you're right closer to in
out the league. Butter or jelly on that toast, he's
toast three years the team was wearing Mike White My
quarterback T shirts last year. There's a reason why they
went after a damn near forty year old Rogers. Facts. Facts,
(47:27):
But you know, I'm positive, y'all. I believe the children
are our future. Thank you, Lou Hoats. Maybe Coach Day
needed some motivation material. I watched the interview and I
considered it comedy. It wasn't that serious. Speaking of Lou Hoas,
have you caught his rebuttal of Day's rant. It's hilarious
as well. Dag lou Holst got jokes. He one of
those dudes that got to like those, uh, those those jokes,
(47:49):
those joke book jokes. But he can just keep rapid
firing them. I remember we used to work together. He
just what about this one? Marcella's I remember, I can't
remember Jack. I can't remember people now. I can't remember
people on my classes. I can't remember people on my team.
And he was like, YO, want to watch this joke.
I was like, Blue Hols, you got a brain, bro,
all right? Micah versus Tyreek Hill? Good for the game
(48:11):
gets you hype like a boxing match. Tyreek Hill is
a lion, but Parsons is one two We all know
Miami's gonna win that game, do we? Yeah, I would
bet if. I mean, I think they're their favorite. I
don't know they're gonna win. Talk about the Broncos getting
seventy hung on them after Champagne called the pass coach
the worst coaching job he's ever seen. You are the
head coach that was unacceptable. At least Nathaniel never got
(48:33):
seventy hung on them. I know, you know, I embarrassed.
I don't know if Champagne married or single. You imagine
being in that house being his boo and he come
home and this ain't why he mad. He ain't as
mad as they lost seventy to twenty as he stepped
in and said.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Somebody was worse than him that didn't lose that bad.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
There is no escape, can't get it up wave dumping
with them funky Rhyns where that from. There's no escape,
no escape. And if you was boo, you was just
sitting there on the side of the couch, you know
you are. Your girl sit on the side of the
couch is looking at you, and she's just looking at you,
and you're looking straight ahead.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
She's looking at you, and she's just looking like that's pathetic.
She ain't gonna say.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
When your woman doesn't say anything to support you, you
know why, because she can't because she's thinking you're pathetic.
That's why I know it. When my wife does, I'm like,
damn done, say something good.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
She can't.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
All right, y'all know, I'll we finished every show. We
finishing with a wily ism.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Living in the world where truth is gossip and lies
are gospel testified.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Why the way, no lie.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm seeing some of that in terms of when I
am giving candor candidly talking through situations, giving you ammunition, evidence,
receipts that you're not privy to heaven. Some people would
think that's gossip because it's the truth. Meanwhile, you'll watch
(50:05):
somebody on television a lot of the asshole because I
know I know, because I know them, and I know it. Dog.
Do you know how many text messages that I still
have that I will never ever, ever ever show y'all
or tell you where it's from, but said one thing
on that text and said something complete, not kind of different,
completely opposite on air. How many times I've been sitting
(50:28):
there talking to somebody and then at the end of
the break, They say, all right, dog, so what you
really feel?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
I was like, you punk to me what.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I really feel? I just said it, all right.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
What did you really feel?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Oh? Oh, I thought you were just saying that child please.
So I'm like, man, people really out there like that dog.
But they say it long enough and loud enough, y'all
think it's true, and then that becomes gospel. And then
when somebody comes through really with the truth, you think
they lying and you think they gossiping. Ain't that crazy?
Ain't that ain't they what they say? Fish full let
(51:04):
It's just wild out here in these streets right now.
So what we need is a better moral compass. What
we need is more people speaking up. It's the cocktail party,
it's the PC ness of our society. They are boxed
people in to not say what they really feel. Case
in point, somebody hit me yesterday and showed me this picture,
(51:26):
and the picture was of a dude somewhere online.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Stressed out.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
It was two fathers stressed out because they just had
a baby from a surrogate. Two dudes had a baby,
and one of the dudes was like stressed out, And
I was like, Okay, what's the what's the problem. And
then and then he was like, you don't see a
problem in that, and they were going back on the
group text. He ain't do nothing, why he's stressed? And
(51:52):
I was like, okay, why you show me that you
know him? Won't you tell him that first? Now that's homie,
were friends like you, who needs enemies? Right?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Like, it's crazy, man, you're telling me all this smoking.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
We group text about it all like, look, he looks
tired from a marathon. He didn't run right, check his
shoes they clean. I get it, But why are you
telling me first and not him? You want to know why?
Because we're living in the world where truth is gossip
and the lies are gospel. People get shook telling somebody
(52:28):
the real because they're gonna be looked at like, uh man,
we don't got so used to just b essen that
we don't know the real from the face. So make
sure that you are not a part of this world,
or do your damn best, because I know how it goes.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
There's always that social pressure.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Why you over here keeping they won you know what
I mean? But just know that we're living in the
world where truth is gossip and lies are gospel.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
All right, y'all got to do it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
For More to It, check the show notes for all
the information on our topics today.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Today, I want to keep the conversation going. Let's talk.
Find me on all socials at Marcel's.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Wiley More Too is a production of Dan Patrick Production
that Dude Entertainment and workhouse Media. Show is executive produced
by Dan Patrick, Marcello's Whally, Paul Anderson, and Nick Panella.
Thanks for all the love, ratings and subscriptions and reviews,
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