Ep 194: Is the NFL Racist??? Ryan Leaf being sensitive?! Does Stephen A. want to end Skip?! Chandler Jones 😭

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Welcome back to More to It, to show that takes
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(00:26):
learn life lessons? Yes we do. We think about things
on this show. We talk sports, but we also cover
those who cover sports like no one else. Man. All Right, y'all,
y'all know we start off every show, But what's up
with that dude? While I'm in that special Friday energy.
So let me tell you what happened yesterday after the show. First,

(00:47):
I went to lunch with my first born. Yes you are,
my lady. My little itty bitty is twenty four years
young man, and it's just so good to just say
what you doing? Later? You want to go to lunch? Yeah? Sure?
And then after that I'm gonna take a train to
San Diego, go to this concert, hang out with my friends.

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Then after that I'll be back for Saturday, have our
project Transition meeting and then after that go to the
game with you Sunday, finally see my little brother play football.
I was like, Wow, how are you right? Amazing time.
I'm not lying. I was just sitting there in amazement,
just talking to a fully formed adult who is still
going through the process of learning and living this life

(01:29):
like we all are. But Godly I look at her
and then I'm like, I have you at home, and
she's three, and she's four, and now you're twenty four,
and it's just all that love in one place. Man.
So shout out to Morocco DJ Monkey Monk as I
call her. That's my girl. What else we do? We

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went to my wife, very exciting times for her. She
got her first invitation to a red carpet event that
was exclusive for her. It wasn't for me and she
was my plus one. It wasn't for us as a family.
Not we want Edna Marie Willy Oh oh you bring
it him too, You bring it Old Dusty and I
showed up as well, but tremendous calls. It was the

(02:12):
Children's on Collegey Support Fund right COSF. They had a
Zodiac ball. Let me just tell y'all. This not every
single gala, every single foundation fundraiser is the chicken dinner. Okay.
This one was an outdoor party. People were dressed up
in spectacle and stuff. It looked like you were just
walking around and just seeing like an animated movie or

(02:34):
something crazy. Right, raised a ton of money out there.
Was great to see her. My wife really is my wife. Like,
she's a small town girl. She's from a farm town
outside of Vancouver, British Columbia. Right, he's a British Columbany
British BC. I don't know what the hell they stand
for in Canada. And her town is super small, like

(02:57):
for real, Like it's so small that when you drive
up to it you smell manure. She is from a
farm town, for real. And it's crazy cause I'll be
like every time we drove up there, I be like,
here we go with this, and that's where she's from.
And now she out here in Hollywood, out here getting
it here girl getting invited to the red carpet stuff,

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And it's just funny to watch sometimes. She asked me
some real small town questions, like should I go back
and take another picture at the red carpet? I was like, yeah,
you want to go ahead? They want you. Yes, yes,
Ana Marie Adam repleat and she's like, oh, I'm gonna
take a picture here. Can you make sure that I'm
just like laughing, like it's like her first day of
school kind of stuff. So that's been a fun ride

(03:40):
with her. Other than that, we left there after the event,
we went to go eat. Yeah, we're that family that
goes to an event, eats drinks for free, and then
go somewhere else and pay to eat. I don't know why.
We just like to do it because we don't get
many date nights. So we had a date night. It
was hilarious. We went to a place called Steak for

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out Here. Insane, beautiful, unreal. I've been doing a lot
of emotional eating, and it's interesting. I have to be
real with y'all. Man turned that date night into some
more of my bad eating. I've been having a ton
of French fries, sandwiches, you know, not the worst of stuff,
but I've been doing it consistently. And I figured out why.

(04:20):
I got triggered by going to that funeral last weekend,
right and dealing with my own mother who died of cancer.
Like my wife's mother died of cancer, and then seeing
the itdy biddies have to deal with that and ask
why is Grandma in the sky? Is she ever coming back?
And what happens when you go to the sky, all
those real, big, deep questions. So everyone in my family knows.

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I never dealt with my mother's death, and I think
that's healthy. You know, whether a doctor agrees or not,
I'm fine. The way I deal with it is the
same way I dealt with when I missed my mother
while she was alive. So you know, you go to college.
I go to college in New York. My mama's in LA.
She wanted me to go to use. I wanted to
go to UCLA. I just knew all my homies wanted

(05:03):
me to go to EA CLA too, And I was like, Mama,
just trying to tell you, it's gonna be high school
two point oho and a lot worse because I'm gonna
have some freedom. So I need to go leave this nest.
So I go to New York. I only saw my
mom like twice a year. Yeah, for the summer. You
see it for a couple of months, and then once
during the year or at Christmas break that was it.

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So it would go like four or five six months
at a time I wouldn't see my mom. Then you
get to the NFL, same things. I'm gonna pick it
out the schedule, all right. I'm going to that Miami game.
Everybody want to go to Miami game. I'm going to
the Miami game. And then I go up to Buffalo.
I'm going early though, I'm going before snows. Damn. Actually,
I'm gonna go before snows and winning snows. I want
to see it both, right, So I'm gonna go to
three games. Okay, that's three weekends. You see your mama,

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and what since we get to camp in July, then
I see my mama three times all the way to
February January. So I got used to a schedule of
not seeing my mother. I'm telling you this why because
that's how I'm thinking right now. Isn't that crazy? That's
the way I deal with it. I deal with it.
But I said, I'm gonna see my mama after camp. Now,

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this camp is gonna be forever, eternal. I'm not gonna
see her forever as long as I live. She's in
the sky, as I tell her, anye biddies. But that's
how I deal with it. So I don't know if
it's healthy or not, but it's working. I can't tell
my eighty biddies how to do that. But at the
same time, that's how we're trying to survive with all
the pain that we're dealing with. And I need to
stop eating so bad or else, y'all gonna have a

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All right. Let's talk about Ryan Leaf right now. I

(08:38):
got some Ryan Leaf stories for y'all. I'm sure he
has more of them. We've heard a lot of them.
But we know who he is. Former NFL quarterback, had
his troubles. But now he's talking about the troubles that
ESPN is putting itself in with their college Game Day
crew that includes lead coorse So with the big old
head mascot heads, Kirk Curbs Street talking about him, Pat McAfee,

(09:01):
all of them, etc. For their portrayal of the Washington
State football program during a recent broadcast. Now we all
know that Ryan Leaf went to Washington State, so we
could see the bias that's laced in them. But let's
make sure we separate the bias from the truth, because
I think in this one we may have both. All right. So,

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Ryan Leaf expresses displeasure with Game Day's characterization of the
Washington State Oregon State matchup as the Nobody Wants Us Bowl,
which he felt turned the game into a comedic bit,
made it like something of hilarity, and then the line
with the spirit of celebrating college football, which he thought

(09:43):
college Game Day was and should be. Okay, I hear
you there. He's talking about a broadcast partner. He's talking
about a show, and he's like, look, y'all really kind
of going in on this matchup when this is a
matchup that's about college football, and your job is just
the broadcast college football. But ESPN does have a separate

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job than the broadcast college football. Y'all know what it is.
It's the broadcast the SEC, right, and when you got
the SEC, all of a sudden, the muscles look a
little different, you flex a little different. So let's get
into the beasts of this. He believes Game they missed
an opportunity to handle the situation more appropriately. He said, quote,
you just had an opportunity. You fell short, and I

(10:29):
feel like I'm comfortable enough to call you out on it.
All right, So Game Days has been facing some challenges
being real about all this conference realignment and how to
talk about it. And you know, they're human beings and
they're competitive and they all went to these schools. So
it's like, you can have a manday, you can have
a montro Hey, guys, we're gonna go out there and

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uplift college football. Look, when I used to speak on air,
they used to always say, Hey, be nice to the NFL, Like,
say what you want, but don't kill the NFL. You
know why, because the NFL pays these bills. So that
was kind of the conversation I'm certain that they had
behind the scenes. But when you go out there, there
are human beings out there who are actually executing the task.

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In this case, Ryan Lee feels like they didn't execute
the task, all right, So what else is going on here?
They're caught up in that pickle between all the conference
realignments and the fact that they're supposed to sound neutral
in this conversation if they're on air. All right, here's
an example, McAfee. He made headlines for being critical of
the conference inability to strike a broadcast deal with ESPN

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before encouraging the same fans to enjoy the hell out
of the Final Pack twelve season. You see what I'm
saying there, Like everybody taking their jabs even though you're
supposed to sound neutral in this conversation. We also know
that Ryan Leaf is caught up in the pickle because
he's employeed by ESPN at the same time he's calling
college football games, but also went to this same school

(11:57):
that the network just got jokes on, right, Washington State
Oregan State. Let's be real, first of all, ain't nobody
want to try? Who want to watch Washington State Oregon State? Right? Like? Not?
Right now? Who is? I'm a lums and he's in
the lumps. So that's why you can see he's kind
of caught up in the middle, all right. So they
highlighted all that him being from the PAC twelve, him
been from Washington State, and that's why he in his feelings,

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y'all agree with that? Or let's talk about this, the
fact that ESPN, since they sitting on top of the hill,
you know, king of the mountain, because they got the
SEC deal, they looking around like dog, why not take shots? Right?
Isn't that kind of helping us out in terms of
showing a disparity between what we are broadcasting, what we

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have and what's out there? Interesting? Right, So let's rewind time.
I'm gonna take you behind the veil of this one
since I have some information and I have some experience
with this. Excuse me, Dougie Fresh. Yes, do y'all remember
the whispers of super conferences. I want to go back
to early two thous in teens, like twenty eleven. I

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don't know, it feels like that world. When you start
hearing this word called super conferences. He was like, ain't
no way to hoole NC double A gonna turn into
super conferences. And following that immediately was the conversation of noting,
you're right, it's not gonna follow into that because the
NC double A is gonna go away like AAU went
away and then came back only in basketball or something

(13:24):
like that, because AAU used to have track and field
and all that kind of stuff and then they lost
it to THAC. I'm going way too deep for y'all.
But basically, this stuff shifts, y'all. This stuff changes around.
So with that said, now we're in this position where
you look at these deals and you're like, wait a minute,

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there are super powers at play creating super conferences, and
that's what's going on, right, they were predicted and everyone laughs.
Everybody's like, gotta scoff that a mockerre never. And now
those people behind the scenes, those networks brought their cash
brought their distribution, brought their platform to make this happen.

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So big money caused this to occur Incluton, ESPN. So
Ryan Leaf is basically like, look, y'all, the reason why
all this is happening in the first place part of
the reason, and now y'all gonna make a joke of it.
Here's why Ryan Leaf has a lot to stand on.
Because of these super conferences. Everyone's gonna win. That's a

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part of it. ESPN. All the broadcast partners, whoever has
those games, You're gonna win, players gonna win because of the
nil etc. Everyone is gonna win. But everyone's not gonna
be a part of the losses. Uh huh. The losses
are that other ninety percent of NIL kids, those kids,

(14:53):
those forgotten kids, that Washington State, Oregon State, who won't
have the same level of resource in support as those
who are locked into these super conferences. See how it goes.
Everyone's gonna win in college football. The money's gonna go up.
Yeah yeah, yeah, But some of y'all gonna be on welfare,
some of y'all gonna be abandoned, some of y'all gonna

(15:15):
be foster kids. That's how it goes, and I think
Ryan Leaf knows that his alma mater is gonna be
one of them more than likely, so he's sensitive to it,
maybe too sensitive to it. But at the same time,
he does have a case. Why are you trying to
rub it in their face? Why are you trying to
twist the knife when you're the one that stabbed everybody
in the first place. You the one that sliced this

(15:36):
up to make these super conferences, to make this realignment occur.
I thought it was pretty interesting right there to see that.
So what side are you on? Ryan Leaf's side or
ESPN side? Even though Ryan Leaf works for ESPN, Right
in terms of hey, let him go at it, man,
this is competition were broadcasting. Why can we have competition
in terms of us talking about it? Interesting? So also,

(15:59):
Ryan Leaf, like when you got a bias, like that's
like me being on game day talking about Columbia. It's
only so much positive you can say. And then you
got to keep it real at the same time, Right,
we don't have the most storied history in terms of
college football, so you gotta be able to separate the two.
Is Ryan Leaf taking this way too sensitive? Is he

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being way too hypercritical or he has some real to
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one time donation, one time let's get into is the
NFL racist. I'm scrolling through my timeline and I said,
what's the time? Y'all know what that is. That's easy.
And I was like, what's the time? Is the NFL racist?
I was like, Damn? Am I still black? And I'm like,

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what am I still doing? Alright? In life? Damn they
bore them racist NFL players and damn organizations they show
know how to treat it. Brother. I was like, this
is a weird way to show racism. Obviously, it was
one of those headlines, clickbait, as they say, to get
you into it, but it was interesting when I call
into it, let's talk about is the NFL racist? Well,

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based on some of their ad placements, some people are
out there saying or thinking or accusing them of being racist.
I was like, what, all right? So the concerns have
arisen about the presence of white nationalists on Twitter x right,
and a lot of that since Elon Musk took over
and his ownership began in twenty twenty two, there's been

(18:31):
a spike in it, right, coincidence, correlation, y'all go through
it all right? So researchers have noted that rise and
hate speech on the platform during Must's tenure. Now, I
think and part of it because he said he was
going to open it up to try and be for
real free speech. Obviously freedom of speech, that doesn't mean
you can say any and everything, but he wanted to

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widen the borders of what it was previously. So, okay,
I think a lot of that is understood now will
come what that is conversations like this from the white
nationalists right now. So, one of the leading white nationalists
organizations in the country has posted and also talked about
the NFL while having some of the NFL's ads on

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its site. Okay, so it posts content warning readers about
the supposed danger of black people and non white immigrants.
That's what the white nationalists are saying. So X has
been placing the NFL ads on prominent white nationalists accounts
on X. Obviously that ain't what the NFL wants, right,

(19:38):
which has called some concern among users and advertisers. Imagine
you advertising with the NFL. Can't say blud light right now? Dudes?
All right, So imagine y'all what y'all do to bud light? Man?
I still got some in the friends. I don't even
know the drinking right now, I don't know how to
feel the y'all. Y'all destroyed that. Good for y'all. Power

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to people, right, So let's just say target. I don't know,
damn y'all did target too? Who's left anybody Hershey's okay? Good,
y'all can't mess with the candy, right. So I got
a hirshey bar in there, and I want to eat it.
And then you're like, all right, And then somebody's like,
is that the NFL on a white nationalist site? How

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does that work? And it's gonna be even crazier because
the white nationalists don't like the NFL, according to some
of these reports. So the NFL's chief media and business
officer tweeted about a great meeting that they had with
the exes. Twitter c eat out. But now it's having
to respond to rising criticism about the league's advertising practices

(20:41):
on the platform. So Brian Rolap goes out there, meets
with Linda Yakarino and then they have a great meeting.
They tweet about his show off, this was amazing, and
as he was sitting there celebrating their great partnership and
union people liking them up, saying, bro, do you understand
what you are talking about? Do you know the intertwining,

(21:02):
the intermingling that's happening between you NFL and white nationalists.
So let's get into what's going on with that. So
the concerns with the platform is that they are putting
the NFL ads on these prominent white nationalists accounts, and
it aggregates up to one million plus followers collectively these sites.

(21:25):
So this ain't no little thing, right. Any of y'all
got million followers, I don't need anybody else. All y'all
together got million followers. I don't mean anybody else here.
You got a million full that's a hundred, that's say
one hundred thousand, so that this is big, right, So
maybe it hasn't hit your radar yet, but it's out there.
So one prominent white nationalists account the there never heard
of it, but uh, maybe I'm not their demo say

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that has more than sixty five thousand followers, one of them,
and has posted content promoting white nationalist ideologies and attacking
the NFL as anti white. That's what's crazy about this story.
The NFL is getting promoted by X sounds a little
lazy on your part X on white nationalist site, and

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as you see that, you're caught off guard. You're like,
wait a minute. And then you read through the white
nationalist site they don't like the NFL. Listen to this,
oh man, They said, look, they've attacked the NFL as
anti white. Turn off the NFL for good quote, never
kneel to anyone that supports the anti white blood libel

(22:30):
of black lives matter and diversity equals no white people. Okay,
what a bizarro story, right, And that's why I wanted
to talk about it, because the ain't no way you're
gonna hear this anywhere else the hell they gonna say
their partners with the NFL. Right. So the thing about
it is is that this ad is there to sell

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the NFL's product to its audience, to make us buy tickets,
season tickets. Once you go to this game, what do
you buy? Merch popcorn? But like for ninety eight dollars, right,
all that stuff, flags, banners, poam, fingers, all that. NFL wants,
all of that, and they're promoting all of that in

(23:14):
part on this type of site. Crazy, right, So it
sounds like an exclusive problem for X, Like, come on,
I know the NFL is dog cursing the X in
their head and maybe in their words, but certainly not
in their action. Let's talk about this because this is
big business, one on one right when you catch your

(23:35):
partner slipping and you're like, oh, the NFL's like elon,
and they know they need X because Twitter X getting
your message out. Anything better like Instagram is another version,
but anything better in terms of news and I don't
think so. So they know they need that platform and

(23:56):
they got to be delicate how they approach this. Right,
So first you you have this big meeting, you're loving it.
Then all of a sudden, everybody starts hitting you with
advertisers and users what you do in NFL. So now
you gotta kind of walk that back, come back with
a strong statement like the NFL did, oh we don't
support any of this stuff. But then what happens behind
closed doors is what we're discussing right here. How delicate

(24:18):
the NFL has to be because of that partnership that
they have with X that they need in terms of
its platform. The partnership is we can't ruffle their feathers
because who's gonna broadcast our message outside of us. Y'all
know how y'all interact with X and Twitter. So despite
their strong written response and maybe behind closed doors, a

(24:40):
strong verbal response, Let's see how strong the maction is
gonna be. Boss. Will Marshawn lind say about that action? Boss? Ah,
the NFL can't be about that action, boss on this one.
So it's gonna be interesting to see how they play
this out. Just monitor this strong statements, maybe even strong words.
Anything changing. Okay, I know one thing that's gonna change.

(25:02):
Elon gonna be looking at You're gonna be looking at
his distribution platform. He's gonna be looking at those in
the marketing department and say, how the hell did y'all
put the NFL on some white nationalists accounts? Especially with
the recent history the NFL's had everything from Colin Kaepernick
and BLM, etc. And then you know, you look at

(25:24):
the NFL game, don't they still got like in racism
in the end zone and stuff like that. And then
at the same time, you're like, but you over there
with the white nationalists on the Twitter, You're like, you
imagine you had a game, because I know a lot
of people at the games they are on their phones
for Twitter. I'm on my phone to take pictures and videos.
I ain't gonna lie look at me, throw the ball
and know that stuff. So then you're doing that and

(25:45):
then you're like white nationalists NFL in racism? What is
going on NFL? So the NFL is not happy. Let
me just say that, and let me just say this too.
I guess we could be aspirational, right, I just like
to be real, you know the whole in racism, like,
give us something we can attain. I know what you mean.

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So I ain't tripping, But I'm like, you ain't gonna
end no racism because you ain't gonna end this ignorant
people gonna be ignorant. What we need to do is
say something that's realistic, something like give make your living,
get it, you know, look, treat others like you want
to be treated like stuff like that, like that. You
could do that, but in something that is a part

(26:31):
of the human race, conditions, part of life. Why is
it a part of life? Because people like their own first,
they learn you can like others as much. You gotta
teach kids that. You gotta teach them good or you
got to teach them bad. Unfortunately, we got a lot
of bad teachers out there in this world who are
teaching these kids. Hete so you won't end racism, So

(26:52):
nobody ever gonna score basically if that's the end zone,
all right, y'all, So tell me what y'all think about this. Man,
here's a good but dumb question. Is the NFL racist? Y'all? Stop? Okay,
that's what the headline asked me, So I asked you
guys are saying, but seriously, what are the responsibilities of
the NFL companies as Twitter organizations in terms of monitoring

(27:14):
and controlling their ads? Right? You want it going out
to the masses. You wanted to go out to people,
but certain groups you don't. That's an interesting conversation, isn't it.
Let's have that and beat it up in the comments.
Other than that, any of y'all follow u V there,
let me know it's all good, man, because if you

(27:35):
follow me there and you follow me, you ain't as
white nationalists as you think you are unless you're saying
something about me. Boy is rolling? Boy, I feel like
it's nineteen eighty one. I'm on the Johnny Carson Show
or stuff like this make me feel special. Just rolling
in here. I like it because of my feet on
the ground. Can't lie to y'all because before, when I
used to do it way up hot, my feet weren't

(27:56):
on the ground. I felt like a little baby. I'll
be talking on y'all like a little kidio. So now
I'm an ititdy bitty no more. I am a grown
man with my feet on the ground. I'm gonna be
where my feet are, all right. And y'all need to
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them unlock their true potential. Love for you guys for
doing that. Now, let's talk about Stephen A Smith who
ain't got no love. According to Dan Levatard for Skip
Bayless's career because he said Stephen A. Smith wants to
end Skip Bayless's career. Wow, I saw that head. I said,
you say, let's talk about it. So Dan, we know

(29:00):
who he is. Him is through gods. What's up? Homies.
They acknowledge that they have a tendency to discuss media matters,
particularly involving high profile figures like Steven Ah Smith and
Skip Bayless. Tendency what is wrong with doing? And you
know me, I love talking about it. But I love
talking about it because I'm trying to truly reset the

(29:23):
public discourse on sports, sports media, how we treat our athletes, etc.
No Hallmark cards. I ain't out here trying to write
poetry for these athletes. But boy, we are ripping down kids,
fat heads, just so we can get some clicks, some
views from ratings. Okay, you got energy for that, dude,
not a problem. I got energy for you. Not a problem,

(29:46):
I hope. And if it is a problem for you
to take it, then you should know you shouldn't give it.
Don't you like how this world resets itself? I do.
So here's Dan Levatard talking about it. He said, quote,
I talk about this stuff, probably too much, never too much,
never too much? Where are that from? But while people
complain that I talk about it too much, listen to this, y'all.

(30:08):
Also in numbers, it shows that every time I talk
about any of this stuff, there are a whole lot
of people interested in the dynamics of our industry. And kaboom,
let me stop down right there, that is the lane
that never shut up has taken that I didn't think
was even on the freeway. Right, there are a few
lanes right. My first lane is, look, let's just come

(30:30):
in here and discuss, not debate. Another lane is let's
come in here and unlearn or learn based on the truth. Right.
We all got told some bs. We all got I
got told bs too. Oh. All the kids in the
hood are the hungriest, and the ones who ain't got
it are the ones who wanted the most. Man They line,
they line, they ass off. Go. I got to Columbia,

(30:53):
I got to the league, I got to Peyton Manning,
who had money already up. The suckers wanted more than me, like,
let me go get this so stop. So the point
is we got several lanes here, but one of the
lanes that opened up was to cover those who cover sports,
why because they ain't covering sports the way we all

(31:14):
want it. Too many times happened last night. Two guys,
I'm walking in shout out to who y'all were, or
walking in Marcello's. I was just listening to you, man,
thank you for saying the stuff you're saying and correcting
this stuff, and I was like, yeah, man, facts, it's
just truth, you know. Point being a lot of y'all
are in these quiet, silent you know, majority but silent

(31:36):
majority conversations are like, dog, this ain't how I want
even my sports. I don't want nobody yelling and clowning
and complaining, Like, just give me sports, bruh and make
it fun and entertaining. So we're here for that. Levatard
has noticed that you guys are here for that because
it is a silent majority out there. Every time I
talk about the inner workings of the industry sports media,

(31:59):
I talk about the personalities y'all talk about Steven A,
Skip Lebatar, Max I, Choke, Wetlock, Carrie, y'all, the numbers
go up, and it's funny some of y'all try to
flip it on Dan LeBatard try to flip it on
us and say, well, y'all, why y'all always talking about them?
That's the only time y'all get clicks. Well, that ain't

(32:20):
on me. I have a story on Ryan Leaf. I
have a story talking about, uh, the NFL being racist.
Click on it, my thing. I give you the buffet.
It's just y'all like the chicken. Don't be mad at me.
Y'all won't chicken. I get it. It's bacon over there too,

(32:40):
But y'all ain't clicking on it. Lebtar talks about that,
so he knows that despite the complaints about discussing these topics,
the audiences interest in industry dynamics is consistently high. He
ain't lying. I see the same thing over here, despite
having all these other topics that I think are interesting,
deep we can learn life lessons, y'all. Like, Nah, I
want that car crash over there between Shannon and Skip.

(33:03):
You know what I mean? Whatever that is, I ain't
mad at it. I do too. So Levatard deals into
the ongoing feud between Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless,
which has been reignited, obviously by Shannon Sharp. Moving from
Billyless's undisputed to over there with Stephen A. On first take.
So Levatard makes a bold assertion. He claims that Stephen A.

(33:24):
Smith wants to end thento Skip Bayless's career in the
media industry. Stephen A. Smith wants to end Skip Bayless's career.
That's a quote. Okay, let's see about that. Let's talk
about that. So he highlights that Smith's rides at ESPN
surpassed Bayless's and made him one of the most powerful
figures at the network. Facts, it was Bayless who put

(33:47):
first take on the MAC quote, but it was Smith
who took this show to another level quote. Levatard also
discusses the impact of Shannon Sharp and his transition in
the ESPN, knowing that Sharp's individual brand strength has grown significantly.
Here's another quote before we get into it. I'm gonna
tell y'all what it is. Shannon Sharpe is more valuable

(34:09):
to Skip at this point than Skip is to Shannon. Now,
Shannon is an individual entity. Ah yeah. He did say
that when he was with it, when they were having
their little beef and everybody was talking about it. He
was like, Shannon is a bigger force than Skip and
the numbers now since his departure supported Okay, there's been
a bump at first, take plateaued if not taking the

(34:32):
dip over there undisputed right, So that is an interesting assertion.
Here we go his last point, Levatar's assertion about Smith's
intentions to ends Bayless's career. People are questioning how accurate
that is or is it just part of the professional
rivalry between the two media personalities. All right, let me

(34:53):
take y'all through this. Okay, to me, this is like
another version with the core of it kind of like
that Kobe Shack feud. Remember they had their issues when
they were teammates for the Lakers, and remember they didn't
win at first when they both were there, but then
they ended up winning, and then they couldn't stop winning,

(35:15):
and then they couldn't stay together. Detroy said something about
that too. So here's the thing, Kobe Shaq. At the
core of it was who is the man who's the
alpha of us? We're both outphas, but who's the alpha alpha?
Now by the numbers, by the metrics, by the accolades,
it was Shaquille O'Neill. But the caveat was, well, look

(35:39):
Kobe's younger than you. He's a ny bitty So yeah,
Shaq is sh you the big dog. So Kobe went
on a mission to win without Shaq, to the point
where when he won his fourth one, we all saw
a different reaction out of Kobe because he got one
without Shaq ended up getting two without Shaq. Right. We

(35:59):
also saw the Shack's reaction when he got one without
Kobe with Wade. Right, So, let's not act like this
is not a thing. Let's not act like Skip Bayless
and Stephen A. Smith separated, ain't trying to get it
on each other. They've said it, and they've said it
in a lighthearted way. They provided levity, but they're also
deeply invested in this. Let's be real. Now, you don't

(36:21):
hear it as much from Skip. People will say, well,
because Skip ain't tripping like that. No, he tripping like that.
He just can't say anything like that right now. That's
where he is. You know, he can't wolf, he can't bark,
He ain't got it right now. He knows that his
ratings don't have the bite of what first take. Has
so quiet over there for one reason, maybe that's his demeanor,

(36:43):
but that ain't his demeanor. His demeanor is the fact
that I can't say anything, So why say anything at all?
So if you look at this, how's this a Kobe
shack but a different version? Because they were winning, even
though there were some dark times Cody, then they were
figuring it out. They were winning with Skip Bayless, with

(37:05):
Stephen A. Smith and Stiff Battis, they really were winning.
Then Skip Leaves gets all that money, couldn't come to
terms with ESPN, goals to start FS one gets there,
Cracking gets all that money first man in him and
Colin Coward, and then you look over as everyone does,
and you look over see what First Take doing. Well,

(37:27):
they went and got max and they became number one.
Still number one, I should say, still number one? What what? What?
Y'all know where that's from. So now you're looking like,
all right, let's close the gap. We are upstart network,
we are just starting FS one. Let's get this thing.
Just close the gap. They ain't really close the gap

(37:50):
with Shennon. It was somewhat. They still were almost half
a first take. First Take is into four hundreds or
so at the time, three four hundred. It's that world
and undisputed as the ones and twos. But yeah, but
it wasn't as wide as it is now because now
they have Shannon and they have Stephen A. Smith. Now

(38:12):
the gap is even wider. Why is this Kobe Shaq?
Because they're both looking at each other. Who gonna get
it without the other one? Right? And it looks like
Stephen A. Smith is winning that one. He's becoming the
Kobe of it, I guess because Kobe got more wins
without Shack than Shaq got without Kobe. Crazy, right, even
though Shak's a better player. Let me stop, So here

(38:35):
we go. The thing is, I look at this in totality.
I know y'all gonna beat up that whole Kobe Shack thing.
I know. I can already see y'all like, what Shaq
better than Kobe? For me? Yes? For you? Yes too,
if you're being real respect All right, So Stevin A
Smith now is the king, but Skip Bayless is the Godfather.

(38:57):
And but we're really talking about right here, Dan LeBatard
is saying Steven A. Smith ain't happy just being the king.
He wants it all now, Jordan mindset comes to play
when I hear Steven A Smith he loves Michael Jordan.
I think he's gonna adopt this mindset if I want
it all, like Michael Jordan too. And I think that's
what's fueling Dan's statement. And I think that's what's fuel

(39:18):
and Stephen A. Smith, and I think that's why Shannon
Sharp is there. I think that's why Steven A. Smith
got that ensemble of gumbo like that, and SKIP had
to get what ESPN didn't have anymore. Michael Irvin was
at ESPN no longer, Keishan there no longer. I ain't
gonna say like castaways. I don't like saying like that
because I played ball. You know, you play on different teams.
It's all the league. But they not there anymore, and

(39:42):
ESPN could have kept them. They like, we're good and
then they are still improving with people that they're letting go.
That this team over there undisputed needs to close the
gap and can't close the gap and getting the players
that they don't want who So how do they close
the gap over there FS one undisputed? That's an interesting question.

(40:03):
Tell me for real beat it up in the comments.
Also tell me this is Stephen A. Smith really gonna
get it all? Like? Or is this just gonna always
be you the king here, the godfather. You can't have
it all like we got to always have this healthy respect.
Or is he really like Dan said, gonna end skip

(40:23):
Bayless's career. Y'all think that can happen. Ah, it's crazy
out here in these streets. My only other takeaway from
this is simple. They're just captivating because for so long
everybody was taking their words as gospel. You gotta remember
how this all started. Right now, I'm not gonna go

(40:44):
all the way back to tape delay, basketball in black
and white, NFL AFL, but there was a time where
there were only so few outlets that would cover the game.
You know. We used to watch Sports Center, you know,
used to see that you only had that, you only
had that, and then all of a sudden you got
NFL Live and that, but you're at work or you
ain't watching it like that. We can't do on demand

(41:05):
and have YouTube, you know, And then we grow into
a wow, you can do it when you want to
on demand and live, and then now you catch it
and now you know all these personalities and there was
a time where they were not challenged because we were
told as active players to not challenge the media. Why
because they have the microphone, they will get the last word,
they control the narrative, They will be able to say

(41:27):
anything and it will be deemed as gospel. I played
through that era, so you had to be nicer to
a media member than you even wanted to because you
knew he can write you up or say whatever he
wanted or she wanted too. So you sitting there like, damn,
I gotta really gotta present myself like it's a job interview,
just doing media relations, and then with the Internet, and

(41:49):
then with YouTube, and then with independent creators, and then
all of a sudden, the taboo got off. There was
a stigma in taboo about doing sports media. I remember
having a conversation with Magic Johnson and one day he
was Marcel's always talk, always do sports, Always do sports media.
It's a commercial for everything he does, and it would
be a commercial for everything I do. And I was like,
you're right, cause I was gonna give it up. There's

(42:11):
times I wanted to give it up. Even my last
I wanted to give it up because I'm like, I
want to do it. I'm not arguing over the Jets
winning by three, Like you know what I mean? I'm
fifty years old, almost like, stop, it's corny. Then I
was like, oh, but I got other things. I want
to help in the community project transition. Oh, I want
to talk about it deeper, and I want to talk
about different lanes, and I want to actually talk about
life intersecting with sports. I want to coach. I want

(42:31):
to talk about coaching. So I was like, ah, you're right,
I just gonna shift this, but I'm not the only
one shifting this independent creators. And then the stigma that
was on doing sports media because if you did that, oh,
you spend all your money. Why you all traveling the
country talking about sports? Then you just play. Don't you
want to sit back and chill and golf and just
party and hang with pretty girls. Ain't you retired? What

(42:53):
you doing? And then Maggic Johnson took some of that
stigma off. He had all that money and he was
doing everybody like, well, you ain't gotta be broke to
do it, and then they start paying us and then
next thing you know, we out there getting it. Next
thing you know, they create stars off of you playing
and off of you talking about players, Like what I
am way more recognizable from sports media than I am

(43:16):
for my football career. I can't even find highlights of
my football career. And it ain't because I ain't have any,
damnit it because I'm before the internet. Let me start. Nah,
it ain't that it's just Dusty back then. It's a
few of them, but it ain't enough. So the point
is everything shifted now. These independent creators, they shifted it
because they were coming, authentic, coming, real tank tops whatever McAfee's.

(43:36):
And then former players became independent creators. McAfee everybody behind him.
And then you got podcast p now active players. You
got guys like Jerymond Green out there, you got me.
Now you got sports media guys doing the same thing.
And it's just snowballing to the point of where we

(43:56):
are in this conversation. Steven A. Smith, you know skip
seventy one people saying he on his last legs, saying, hey,
the show ratings is showing your podcast numbers and showing
people ain't really rocking with you. Your best days are behind you,
like you treat them athletes. You an athlete. Right now,
you out your prime. Stephen A. Smith is still in
his prime. People ain't liking necessarily all the things he's saying,

(44:19):
and how you go about things. You know, when he
out there lying on Max, that's real when he coming
at too, but to came at him, So I really
don't have a dog in that fight, even though too
my boy, more than Stephen A is. Still they got
to work that out some of these things. You know,
it's a lot of things like that. But the point
is there's just more competition. And you can see the

(44:41):
competition even between Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless at
the top. But in that pyramid of success, I always
tell my idy biddies, you get to the top, ain't
that much room and ain't that many people? So guess what,
everybody else is trying to get up there too. So
to keep your power position, you're gonna have to keep
flexing your power, do your words, through your actions, and

(45:05):
sometimes just reminding people where you really are. So let
me know what y'all think about this whole dynamic, because
I see it's shifting, right. I see Stephen A. If
Dan Levittard's right trying to knock Skip down, and as
he knocks Skips down, Skip going out to try and
knock somebody else down. But then it's independence out there
it's people like me. It's people like McAfee, like, I'm

(45:26):
climbing up. So now, Skip, you can't pecking on the
bcs of this all. Stephen ain't number one, right, who's
number two? Used to be Skip Bayless? Now it's Colin
Coward or no, it's Pat McAfee, right, who's number three?
That's where the game is, man, Let's compete, baby. Ain't
nothing like a little healthy competition. So down there, son, Hey,

(45:50):
I hate that when you're not close to hitting somebody,
but they just so damn scary that they think you're
gonna get Hey, buddy, buddy, you're like you are on
the curve. You be hind. I ain't a fire hydrant.
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(46:11):
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let's talk about dsh right here. Chandler Jones, Chandler, Chandler Jones,

(46:55):
Chanlah Jones, Channel Jones, Challenge Jones, Trendler Jones is out here,
tripper go. He might have a little issue right here,
all right, little Bernie mack Love. All right, so we
know he is a beast. First of all, let's just
get that out the way. Chandler Jones was a beast.
What of a career he had. I don't know if
he's gonna continue, but right now not looking too good.

(47:16):
Hall of Famer Chandler Jones. Let's just get that out
the way. Let's see if he is. I think the
numbers are gonna add up to something like that. All right,
So he's a d N for the LAS Vegas Raiders
loosely saying that right now, been involved in a series
of strange, as they say, in concerning social media posts
over the past few weeks. Now, yeah, this kind of

(47:39):
goes back. If you want to go really deep into
the rabbit hole, you go back to New England. There
were some moments there too as well. Not a mental
health therapist, y'all know my stance on mental health as well.
I have a general stance, and I don't want to
be general in this specific situation. But let's talk through
it and see if we can get to the bottom

(47:59):
of this. So for everyone saying, quote, get well, I'm
very well, ask the low lifes. Lol, sorry Adam talking
about Adam Schefter. So that was one of the tweets
out there because Jones his frustration expressed on the Instagram
we've been seeing because of the Raiders holding them out
of practice on September sixth for what was described at

(48:22):
that time as a personal and private matter. So that's
basically now you look back, it's the Raiders taking cover
for him, giving them cover to let them deal with
these issues. All right. So he continued to make some
interesting posts on Instagram and Twitter, including a crisis Response
team post. Remember we talked about that text exchanges with

(48:43):
head coach Josh McDaniels and claims of being involuntarily committed
to a mental health facility. Quote, Josh McDaniels had my
twin Aaron Hernandez killed at Industrial Park, not in jail.
That's one of his posts, right, there is enough for
me to say something ain't going right. I don't know

(49:06):
what it is. I don't know how I left it is,
but it ain't going right. So in his latest post,
Jones accused McDaniel's a killing former NFL player Aaron Hernandez.
I just read a claim that raises the concerns as
I said about his well being. He's going at Adam Schefters.
We talked about RG three, told him to pray for him,
but also talk to him. He said, Also, Bro, you

(49:29):
washed up RG such and such sit down. I'm still
in the league. You twitter fingers? Okay, what's going on
with my man? Challeng Chala Jones? All right? Do we
think he's okay? I don't think most people say he's okay.
So why is Chanlah Jones in this situation? And what

(49:51):
is he dealing with? The cry for help? The need
for help is different than the cry for help. I
always remember that. Okay, lot of times we need help. Shoot,
I could think about needing help through the weakest times
of my life, my mother's death, needing help, right, But
the cry for help is a whole different animal, because

(50:11):
the cry for help is a different level of desperation
because now you feel that inner suffering such to a
degree that that hurt is now having to be expressed,
and with some intention to hurt others. You ever see
on the news, you see somebody, You see it all

(50:32):
the time, right, murder, murder, murder, murder, suicide. There's a
difference between needing help. A lot of people need help,
they don't go to those limits. And then some people
cry out for help and they show it, and they
are only showing it because they want you to take
notice and attention to their level of pain. And then
once they feel that you are taking attention and notice

(50:53):
of it, guess how they flip it that you ain't
helping them, that you ain't doing enough. Oh what the
hell you talking about? And when that occurs, it triggers
them even more so, right, because they threw the rope
that you didn't catch or they threw the rope and
try to hang you with it. We're gonna have to

(51:16):
figure this one out because I don't know who what
and I look if challenge on't attacks me, trust me,
I'm fine. I'm concerned because these these tweets, these Instagram
twenty five minute Instagram live videos, you gotta watch it
for yourself to know what I'm talking about. Not just

(51:36):
because he's a great football player when he was out there,
not because he's in the NFL, but because he is
actually telling us something's not right and we need to
do something about it. You know, being a guy who's
had teammates and have lost their life committed suicide, as
you guys know Junior Seal or others and teammates that
have lost their life, you gotta still respect that it's

(52:00):
still a team game. So my deeper interest in this
is to see what is going on and what's really
wrong with him, because I don't want the Raiders to
be in this position where he's not playing for us.
We've tried to take care and we try to look
out for him, and now just discard him. Because when

(52:22):
you start crying out for help, you start calling for attention,
for help you want that call answer. Matter of fact,
most of the times they need or will mandate that
call be answered. So let's just look through that, and
you guys tell me what's going on, because I know
you guys have done a deeper dive on this, because
none of us as smart as all of us. So

(52:43):
I'm just one guy. Tell me what's going on with
this Channel Jones situation very concerning to me. All right, y'all,
let's funk up some comics. Funk up some comics. Yeah,
you know, gotta be Chris Simms. What you over here
talking about, Chris Simps, Chris Sims. Let me flip this
around and make it easier to read. All right, Probably

(53:03):
shouldn't have said kill, but real football fans understand what
he's saying, and I actually agree with his solution. The
play is virtually unstoppable, especially when you got a guy,
a quarterback squad and six hundred pounds. You can't defend it. Okay,
you can't defend it. Does that mean you want to
kill him? Nah? I didn't take kill literally. I didn't
take kill figuratively in a sensitive way. But I am

(53:25):
deeply entrenched in the game of football, and I don't
have those sensibilities. But as you got to remember, every
day you introduce them football to somebody else, do you
want to introduce them in that way? I don't care. Me,
I don't care, but people do care. So do I
care enough that I'm gonna fight those who do care?
You ever been to that argument? You're like, I don't

(53:46):
give a damn Well I do? Okay, Well, then go,
You're like I feel like that on this one. All
right to me? That just sounded like my locker room
in college. Hell yeah, my locker room in high school.
I get most people don'tunerstand how players actually talk, but
it's definitely not nice to each other. No matter of fact.
I want my son in part to play football so

(54:06):
he can learn it ain't all peaches and cream. Baby,
you go through football. Oh you look at life like
life ain't as hard as I thought it was, because
that football was harder. It was. Hell, I had triple
day practices before I got doll cursed by grown ass men.
And then I get to the league and get doll
cursed by a young man who's younger than me. But

(54:27):
since he on the coach and got the title, I
gotta say yes. Coach, and I'm making more to him,
and I'm older than him. It felt like, man, I
got striped food. What you ain't playing at this level? Honey?
Football teaching, football, teach you. We all in this together.
I won't give a damn how good you are, d n.
Good luck trying to get a sack. If the cornerback

(54:49):
ain't gonna hold up his coverage responsibilities, good luck in
the sack. If the quarterback is gonna just dump it off,
you need it all the work together for it to work.
I learned that in football. Nowhere else for NFL. Viewers
who played organized football from peewee to pro level understand
the terminologies and slang. The problem is with the casual fans.
You're right, they don't get locker room culture. NFL and

(55:11):
media should educate the casuals on the terminology so people
aren't taking it literally. It's no different than in baseball,
strikeout is called a K, which is short for kill,
which started with mess legendary pitcher Dwight dot K. Gooding.
That's been a known except the baseball term since the eighties.
I like what you just said that you broke that down.
You imagine the first day of class for the casuals.
All right, everyone got around. We about to talk about

(55:35):
killing somebody out here, but we don't mean killing them.
We mean whooping aam right, oh whooping that a all right?
Whoop that trick like all that? All right? Aaron Rodgers
regarding mister Aaron Rodgers talk about a backseat one leg
quarterback aka the Jolly Rogers. She's mister Rogers. Be a
good neighbor and just stop pontificating. If you are not

(55:55):
in a position to solve the problem, please consider measuring
your responses makes sense, and until your health focused on
word o puzzles and maybe some majong or pigal, just relaxed,
get healthy and show us what you still have in
the tang. Damn brot the hell out of that damn comment.
Can't lie. There's a part of me that here's look

(56:17):
if my teammate hurt and he at the crib, I'm listening,
but don't talk too much. That part I don't give
a damn who you are. That part I'm out here sweating, hommy,
you ain't. Aaron is checking what is is still his team?
Aaron is checking what is still his team? Okay, shows
how much he cares, he could say effort and take
all those special things that make Pang go away. Now,

(56:38):
as far as I know, this is his first time
publicly checking him. See, I see both sides of this one,
and that's real. I'm glad he cares. It's just a
measured response. You just can't go all in from the couch.
You can't not from the training table. Dan is upset
because a mean was wrong media sabotage from yesterday. Let's
be honest, Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro wasn't good enough,

(56:58):
wasn't gonna be enough, bascially considering Duncan Robinson spent much
of the year not playing because he was awful and
couldn't defend. Yeah, that that ain't it. They asked for
Jimmy Butler too, So you know if you say, na
I ain't got Jimmy Butler but Duncan Robinson, they like
you ain't serious by no trade. People keep forgetting in
disregarding that this is a three way deal. Even if
Portland and Miami have agreed, they need to convince that

(57:19):
third team too, and that third team didn't want any
of those offers. Also, Portland won and jah Quez as
well on top of the offer, but Miami didn't want
to include him. Yeah, they were talking about Bam or
Jimmy Butler, And if you ain't saying that, then I
don't want to hear nothing else. Media been doing doing
this and unusually can I read? Media been doing this,

(57:39):
and usually it's to facilitate the trade for the player.
How long was Anthony Davis a Laker before he was
actually a Laker? Or Kawhi Leonard before going to the
Clippers or Harden with the Nets. Media picks and chooses. Interesting.
I think we're all tired of seeing stars bully franchises
and continually get what they want. So they stuck it
out and got a big out of the deal first

(58:00):
and whatever they flip drew for. It is interesting that
you be seeing the cat get traded for like five months.
You'd be like, oh dang, why y'all bring this up?
Incentives interests, Ezekiel Elliott. I wish we could go back
in time and watch you play again. Marcels always gave
it your awe. Oh see, That's why I do love

(58:21):
about sports media. It made me a way better player
because y'all like me as a personality or y'all think
I'm cool or something. Also, you'd be like, yeah, man,
you were the best player ever. I'm like last night
at this the gallup we went to the ball, I'm
standing in line in the bathroom. The guy was telling
his wife about me. Oh my godness, guy was marsaust was. Oh,
he was the best hold. I was just sitting there like,

(58:42):
does he know who I am? Like I was Hella goood,
I was great for a few years and then Hella
good and then and then all right, but he ain't
gonna tell his wife all that. All right, y'all, y'all
know how we finished every show with a Wiley is Yeah,
don't turn speed bumps into rolls. Whoa wait, that's the

(59:04):
five While the five shout out to l Russell, who
is one of my favorite rappers, if not thee because
he influences me. He gives me impact, like when he
says to me, that's how you talk. When he says
rapit like that. I love him. I love Little Wayne.
I like just geniuses with the microphone. And then he cuts.
He cuts, He cuts so deep. You go through things

(59:28):
in life, right, everybody does. It's just the way it's
set up. It's the hurdles, baby. I told y'all, do
not think you running the one hundred in life? You
running the one ten hurdles at minimum, maybe the four
hundred hurdles. Right, Gotta go around this thing one time.
Hurdles everywhere. But when you run into that adversity, you
have that altercation with adversity. It's a speed bump, it's

(59:49):
a hurdle. Get over it, get through it. Learn the technique.
There's a proper technique to do it. You want to
see it. It goes like this. I used to run
the hurdles. Yeah. Ow that hurt my hamstring. Yeah ah.
You go like this and you dip, you get you
run over them hurdles. Coach he'd be like, run over
them hurdles, boy, I'm like, damn all right, and then

(01:00:09):
you're gonna what you're gonna do? Fall, clip them trip,
get up, keep running. It's time to go. Then you
learn that form of how to get over those hurdles.
So then to a point, you're never gonna run as
fast as you can if they're no hurdles, right, But
when you get over those hurdles with precision, you run

(01:00:30):
a fish in effective way and effective race. That's life.
But here's the problem. A lot of times cast see
a hurdle. You ever see that. You ever see somebody
who never ran over a hurdle. You're going to the
track with the homie and somebody or just it canna
be a fence. I love it. I used to hop
fences when I was little, Not like like go in
there and rob somebody. What up, homie? Like nah, Just

(01:00:50):
like I see a fence four feet five feet not
six feet five feet, I'm hitting that fence. At at
worst I'm gonna put my foot on top of that
fence and hop over. But most time I'm just gonna
hurdle it jumping. I was a kid. I just to
jump over cars sideways all day. You ever see somebody
who can't do that and they think they can and

(01:01:13):
they run up to the fence and they go who
and they grabbed the top of the fence like oohoo.
I was almost gonna kill myself because they don't know
how to get over those hurdles. They just turned that hurdle.
They just turned that fence into a roadblock. You'll learn,
whether you have the gift or not, you can still learn.
You can steal all of a sudden acquire the talents
and skills necessary to one day get over that. It's amazing.

(01:01:37):
My son, he has this airplane in his room, one
of them little eleven ninety nine airplanes you get at
the hobby store. Yes, and it's amazing. Sit there, hit
it button. You gotta get it started. He can't. When
we bought it this summer July. He couldn't touch it,
he couldn't turn it on, and caldn't do nothing. I

(01:01:57):
have to do it all now. Suck over there. It's life, man.
Don't turn these feed bumps into roll blocks, like just
know that. All right. This is part of the progression.
But if you have intent, focused and attention to it,
you will overcome that. So that's all I want to
get out of this today. Shout out to the Russell
my dog. Don't turn spreed bumps. Whoa in two roll blocks?

(01:02:22):
Get your ass up over there? All right, y'all got
to do it. For more to it, check the show
notes for all the information on our topics today today.
Want to keep the conversation, go on, let's talk. Find
me on all socials at Marcell's Wiley. More Too is
a production of Dan Patrick Production. That Dude Entertainment and
Workhouse Media show is executive produced by Dan Patrick, Marcell's Whilely,
Paul Anderson, and Nick Panella. Thanks for all the love, ratings,

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