Breast Milk Ice Cream, Cop Accused of Spiking Coffee and Pooping on Floors, The Luigi Mangione Act, Mysterious Pee Jugs, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be talking about a shocking update with
Yankee Brett Gardner's son's death investigation. A man putting gorilla
glue into a coworker soda, the Luigi Mangioni Act, a
child who died from anesthesia after routine dental work, breast

(00:41):
milk flavored ice cream, mystery p jugs, and more. Let's
get started with this Yankee son's death. This is so terrible.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, So last week we had reported about the death
of Brett Gardner, who's a former Yankee son while they
were in Just as a quick reminder, while they were
in Coaster, they had gone to a restaurant and when
they got back, a couple family members had been ill.
They got treated by a doctor and their son unfortunately
passed away. So at first they were thinking it was
food poisoning and maybe asphyxia related to the food poisoning.

(01:14):
Then they said they didn't know. It was going to
be a couple weeks for the autopsy results to come back,
and now they're saying it might be carbon monoxide.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
So this would make sense too, that all of these
people were sick. You would assume that doctors taking care
of these people would have ruled that out right away,
and they were convinced that it was food poisoning because
the symptoms now that they're saying this are headache, dizziness, nausea, vomiting,

(01:44):
shortness of breath, confusion, which is quite possible if all
of these people went out to dinner and then got
back to the hotel and all started feeling sick around
the same time, I would think that doctors would, especially
being in a hotel like that, they would have immediately
rolled something like that out, and that's why they were
convinced that they had food borne illness. I'm sure that

(02:07):
from people that are doctors that take care of patients
in these different circumstances, that they do have different presentations
for sure. And again, remember we were talking about how
under certain circumstances, I don't know if we were talking
about it on this show or one that we recently recorded,
but how these people with money that are in these

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higher end hotels are just in general that have more
means sometimes get what we would call the VIP treatment,
which is like, let's say you and I went to
Florida and we started having symptoms like this, we would
go to the hospital, right, But in this case, this
guy's a high profile Yankee, they're at this really expensive

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hotel and they were able to just call a medical
team to see what was going on with the family.
And if they would have went to the hospital and
got were up properly, this is something that could have
been determined with blood work. So I mean, it's not
necessarily something that you could just figure out on your own,

(03:11):
I guess, but I would say that the symptoms, I
would just think if you've taken care of people with
food poisoning, it just would have a little bit of
a different presentation. But so now they're working that up again.
He's been dead over a week now, right. I don't
know why they don't have the answer to this. They're

(03:32):
saying that now there was levels of carbon monoxide in
the room, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that
that's what he died from. So unless they were off
the charts that they could really figure out, because there's
like a certain level that you could have near you,
but it really shouldn't be that much, especially in a
confined space. But now they're saying that there was some
kind of mechanical room that was right next to the

(03:54):
their hotel room, and that's how the fumes were potentially
getting into their room. And when you have a confined
space like that that doesn't have any ventilation, this is
how this happens.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I guess I was under the assumption that anybody exposed
a carbon monoxide would die pretty quickly, So I guess
I'm just confused as a lay person that he died
and other people were sick, but they didn't die.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So we're all exposed to carbon monoxide all the time.
When you're outside and you're breathing in the exhaust from
a car, you're exposed to it. But the thing is
is that the balance is that there's more oxygen in
the air that you're breathing in than carbon monoxide. So
kids and infants are sometimes at a higher risk for
this because they breathe more breaths than adults do. Just

(04:39):
something as simple as that also just depends on what
part of the room they were in, like what was happening.
It's just really difficult to tell what was happening in
that situation. But even like if you make barbecue and stuff.
People do that and it's fine, but that's why they
tell you not to do it indoors because it just
could make carbon monoton side just accumulate in a room

(05:02):
and can kill someone right off the bat. So when
they this is what's interesting to me, when they did
the autopsy and the gross examined, they at first, I'm
not sure why they said that they thought he died
in a sphyxial death. But technically a carbon monoxide poisoning
would be considered an asphyxial death. It's just more by

(05:23):
a chemical means rather than mechanical like you would think
of choking on something or having or being strangled would
be like a mechanical asphyxia death.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, I thought they ruled that out because they were
saying his airway was clear, But you're trying to say
that if it was a chemical asphyxiation that it would
be clear because it's a different type or.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, exactly, because what happens with carbon monoxide is that,
you know, the whole point of breathing is for the
respiratory system to pick up oxygen, carry it to the organs,
drop it off at the organs, pick up the used
bring it back, breathe it out, and it just goes
like that in a circle. And what happens is that

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does happen when people are breathing the oxygen in from
the room, but when there's carbon monoxide, that also attaches
to the blood cells and it doesn't let that oxygen
get released to the organs in order to give oxygen
to your whole entire body. And if your organs, especially
your brain, does not have oxygen, it will stop working.
And so technically, like asphyxia is just a lack of oxygen,

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whether it's from mechanical means of strangling someone or if
it's something happening on a microscopic level with the blood cells.
So what's interesting to me, though, is that when someone
dies of carbon monoxide poisoning, they have very specific gross
findings that we would see at autopsy. One of it
is the live remortis, which is normally a purple color.

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That's when the blood leaves the circulatory system and falls
to where the dependent area is. So if someone died
in their bed, it would be on their back that
is normally like a purplish color, and that would be
a bright red color which is called cherry red libidity,
and it's something that anybody doing autopsies would automatically notice

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was weird. Also, it could cause their blood to be
a very bright red color, like kool aid red, and
their skeletal muscle could be really red too, So anybody
doing the autopsy would be like, wait a second, this
looks this looks weird. We need to test for this.
But again, this is a blood test that could be done.
I don't this isn't really considered toxicology that you should

(07:34):
have to wait for a long time. So I feel
like maybe they know more than they're leading on to
it at this point, just until they finished the investigation.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yet, do you think the hotel is going to end
up being responsible for thisay? One hundred percent yes, yeah,
because they didn't have They clearly didn't have any detectors
in the room, so or if they did, they weren't working.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
This reminds me of we wrote a case back in
the Gross from back in two thousand. In twenty two,
when do you remember when the couples had went to
the Bahamas and the Sandals resort and there were so
there was this villa thing that was kind of a
twin what you would consider to be a twin. There
was two different hotel rooms inside of this one villa,

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and there was one couple in one of these rooms,
and then there was another couple in another one of
the rooms, and three of the four people died from
carbon monoxide poisoning, the same exact thing on vacation terrible.
And you know, I was just telling you, like, we
just stayed at an Airbnb this weekend, and I'll be

(08:36):
honest with you, I didn't even check to see if
they had a carbon monoxide detector. And this is like
a simple thing that you could bring with you on
a trip, because it's kind of scary that something like
this could happen that's out of your control, that you
wouldn't even think of. Because carbon monoxide is tasteless, odorless,
so if everybody's having symptoms, I could easily see you

(08:56):
attributing it to food poisoning.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I'm just surprised it's not mandatory when you're having an
Airbnb or I mean maybe it is, and I just
don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I would think I don't think it's mandatory, but I
do see that you could use that as a filter option,
and it's set and people, you know, how it'll say like, oh,
there's there's a washing machine, there's central air conditioning, things
like that. I've definitely seen that it's checked off, and
it really should be on everyone's list even to notice that,

(09:26):
you know, I guess I kind of put it out
of mind because I'm married to a firefighter, and I'm like,
if there's a problem, he'll know it, which is probably
not the best way to be.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
The Manda didn't even notice you caught your kitchen on fire,
exactly right, For those of you that don't remember, I was.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
I was cooking a couple of weeks ago and cut
I caught my kitchen on fire by axcident a little
tiny bit, but my husband was just sitting there playing
on his phone and didn't even notice. It was hilarious,
But but yeah, I don't know this. It's so scary
because you do hear about this happening from time to time,
and just think, like, if you're just a regular person

(10:07):
and you're on vacation in Costa Rica and everybody starts
getting sick, that would be your first thought. I just
don't I don't really understand why the medical team didn't
really even have that in their differential.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know, it just seems I think I didn't say
this on here, and I said it on the other
show we were guests on last week. I think that
a lot of times these investigators are like talking out
of turn, or like they're just you know, they want
to be the first person they get the information out,
and they're just saying things before the reports are clean.

(10:38):
And we covered this a lot with the Uh Doctor
Thomas Nogucci episode we did, where it's like, it's okay
to just wait a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I know the.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Media is crazy and everything, but would you rather wait
and say the correct thing than rush and say the
incorrect thing And now everybody thinks that you're not handling
it appropriately.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, exactly, And it's just it, and it's all in
the news and the family's still dealing with this death,
and just the speculation is annoying, and you know, well, yeah,
that's the worst part is for the gardeners having to
deal with this constantly coming up and it's like this happened, No,
this happened, No, this happened. Just if you did the
job right and you you know, slow and steady wins

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the threes.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, just do the right thing, Let this family
warn and move on.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The same thing happened though in those Bahama deaths. It
was like the people were having these crazy symptoms and
unfortunately three of the four died from it. And you
can survive it if you get treatment right away, but
most people, once you're having those severe symptoms, it could
be too late, and especially if you fall asleep, forget

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it and you're just exposed to it and breathing it
in even more. It's just kind of scary, honestly.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Believe it or not. We have two stories this week
about people tampering with their coworkers beverages. I mean, the
next it's gonna be a little more involved. But I
can't even believe this after just talking about that guy
last week that was sticking his penis and his coworker's
water bottle.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, I guess it's you do trust a lot of
people being around you when they're preparing your food or
in these cases, when you're just working and you walk away.
I can't even imagine. And I've worked with some shady
characters in the past, for sure, but I can't imagine
just thinking that anybody would actually do that to somebody.

(12:29):
It's like a whole other level of sick to give
people to try to poison people, or even if it's
a joke, just to do something like that, it's it's
kind of not cool. I mean, it's definitely not cool,
but I feel like you're on another level of a
kind of sick individual to do something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
No. So in this first story, this happened in Wisconsin.
This chick was at work. She had a can of
coke on her desk that she left unattended, I'm assuming,
so she goes to drink it, and then after she
drank it, and she noticed a really weird smell in it,
and then of course got sick right away. So she
sets up a hitting camera at her desk, and I
think within only two weeks she caught one of her

(13:10):
coworkers squeezing a bottle of super glue into the can
of coke.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, so specifically it was gorilla glue gel with the
little blue lid. I have it in my house. I
use it all the time for my arts and crafts projects. First,
to me, it's just a very weird thing to put
into someone's drink if you're trying to hurt them. Because
it smells so strong. Yeah, I don't understand why you
would use that. The chemical in it is called ethyl cyanoacrylate,

(13:38):
and it it is basically a liquid or a gel
inside of the gorilla glue container, but then once it fuses,
it becomes a hard plastic. On the website for gorilla glue,
they have manufacture warnings about what to happen if you
get this glue in your eye, because obviously that's the
most common or on your hands, and what happens. But

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it says that really if you inhale it, it could
just cause severe trauma and to not induce vomiting, call
the Poison Control Center center, and it could have harmful
adverse effects. So it doesn't really get super specific on
like well, because that's all I want to know, is like, well,
what happens in this case if you have it. So

(14:23):
I did find some cases of accidental ingestion of this chemical,
which most commonly happens in toddlers, because that's the only
person that would ever not knowing, yes exactly, put it
inside of their mouth. And in those cases, there's been
cases of pieces of plastic being found in the respiratory

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track in the trachea. But most commonly when people get
super glue into their mouth, it causes it to get
stuck on their teeth and inside of their oral cavity
because it does bond very quickly once once it hits
the air. So they say that you shouldn't try to
peel it off yourself. You should go to a dentist

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or the hospital and try to eat peanut butter or
oil to try to get it to slip off, because
obviously if you rip it off, it's going to rip
off the top layers of the lining of your mouth
or your skin wherever it bonds. But if you ever
accidentally have something like this in your mouth, you should
always get emergency treatment. I was actually thinking that it's

(15:27):
possible that she may not have had any of it,
because it smelled so strongly, and you would think, like
drinking it from a can, the most place that you
would think that there would be trauma might be her
lips or something.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, don't you think she at least had a little
sip because she said she got sick, So I don't
think that would have just been from the smell. I
don't know, But what does get I don't know what
gets sick means, because I don't think that that. Do
you understand what I'm saying, Like, it wouldn't make you
feel nauseous if she got telling you like, if she

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got that close to it and just breathed it in
just inhaling, that could cause respiratory problems, irritation, coughing, shortness
of breath. So I think that that's more than likely
what happened, because if she actually drank it and got
it in her mouth, she would have had the residue
of the glue somewhere, you know, like that would have

(16:22):
had to been addressed. So I think it was more
just from inhaling the vapors of it. And I can't
even imagine that you would be able to even drink
something with those vapors coming out of the whole of
the can you know? So he did he say why
he was doing it or I mean, he didn't really
reveal his motives. So she contacted the police after having

(16:45):
clear footage of him doing it. They searched his office.
They found latex gloves and the grilla glue in his office.
So like, you didn't even get rid of the evidence
that quickly, which is so stupid as a criminal, but
he's been arrested in charge with placing a feign object
into a drink with the intent to cause harm.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I wonder if because I feel like I read in
the article that they found that he was doing it
to other people as well, so it wasn't necessarily attacked
directly to her. Well, it's kind of like the guy
last week.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think you obviously have a sickness that you're doing
it at all, and then you get like a rush
or like some type of thrill from doing it, and
then you just keep doing it. But like what happened,
if somebody died, I would like, I.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Really think he should be charged with attempted murder. Yeah,
I mean I do too, honestly, because like, what else
was he trying to do? Was he trying to play
a joke? What I just I'm sorry, I just don't
see that. And it's actually funny because we're going to
be talking about this in the next story as well.
But today's April Fool's Day as well, and I was

(17:51):
just listening to our local radio station while I was
getting ready today about jokes that are played on people
for April Fool's Day, and this to me is not considered.
It's not considered a joke for people to unwillingly ingest
something that they're not aware of. It's just never funny. No,

(18:11):
And I don't know, like we did that once for Gabe,
like because we looked up years ago like different things
to do, and one of them was like to take
a part an oreo and take the cream out and
put toothpaste in between the two layers. And like, I
don't know, toothpaste is edible though, and if you take
a bite of it you would spit it out whatever.

(18:32):
Like it's not like you put speckle in the middle
of it to make it. Yeah, exactly exactly, Like that's
that's where you're just like and it's not like a
jog or a medication or anything. It's like it's just
kind of you know, replace the shampoo with ketchup or whatever,
like funny jokes like that, but then you're you're like
a certain level of sick if you're giving someone something

(18:54):
that's not safe for consumption.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean, this is no surprise for anybody that lists
and knows our personalities. I hate April Fool's Day. I
think it's so fucking stupid. All day on Instagram seeing
like Beverly Hills Housewives has been canceled. Oh haha, real
good one, like or like people making fake flavors of like,
you know, alcohol, ice cream, whatever. It's just very annoying

(19:19):
to me. I don't think it's funny. I don't like
when people text me and then they're like just kidding,
Like I'm fucking busy and I don't have time for it.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I like.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I like the idea of playing jokes. I don't think
you need a specific day for it. I mean, Lilian
destroyed Gabe this morning. She because she's off school this week,
you know, And she went downstairs last night while we
went to bed, and she put hand cream all over
the knobs of his bathroom. She wrote all over his

(19:49):
mirror with lipstick she put. The favorite one is she
puts the ram wrap over the toilet so when he peas,
it like goes all over the floor, because you know,
like in the when you wake up, I mean he
go starts and gets ready for work at like five
in the morning, and it's dark out and he probably
doesn't even put the light on, and it just he's like,
I got pee all over the floor. So I don't know,

(20:09):
like it's a kid's thing.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't hate it as much as you do. I
just think it's pointless kind of but one of them whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
But like when adults are doing it, it's like grow up.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know. Like this one woman called and said
that she put a bumper sticker on her husband's car.
That was just like I poop today. And this was
like twenty years ago when like poop wasn't as like
there just wasn't as many of those things as there
are now, you know. And she said, he's like a
construction worker and has has a pickup truck and everyone
was driving by and like beeping at him and putting

(20:45):
a thumbs up, and he was like, what the hell's
going on? And he didn't notice it all day, Like,
I don't know, I think that's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Do you know how many celebrities are gonna post fake
pregnancy announcements today? There's at least five to ten every year.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, And I think our friend Amy Locker and pod
something about that last night. That was just like that,
that's not funny.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Like no, like Tory Spelling did it like a year
or two ago, and everybody was like, it's really not
funny exactly, but.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Like, don't, don't, why not? There's a million you know what,
I'll just keep my mouth shut on this. Let's talk
about this next story involving a similar thing.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, this guy claimed that these were practical jokes too,
which maybe that's why I'm getting so buttered about it
for this episode, because none of the following we're gonna
discuss is funny at all. So a couple of police
officers in North Bergen, this is in New Jersey, at
their police department. They filed complaints against their chief of
police for inappropriate behavior, including putting adderall in viagirl in

(21:41):
the communal coffee pot, pooping on the floor, and allegedly
poking an officer in the genitals with a hypodermic needle,
among many other things.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Ha ha, real.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Funny this this really. When I was reading this, I
was just like, Okay, this dude. They're trying to say
that it's disgruntled employees that are trying to get this
guy fired, But I feel like some of these practical
jokes or pranks are so specific that like, why would
somebody just make them up? And multiple people make them up.
He would apparently like show up at officers homes or

(22:15):
bring like items to their house and get it delivered,
like flags of gay pride flags and dildos and masturbation
cream and stuff like this guy, this guy is just
like an attention seeking whatever. But he it just reminds
me of like like a Jackass movie or something, except
that people aren't willing participants.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And this guy is and doing a fucking police department
and he's like a grown up and just doing it
to be funny or whatever. I don't know, but it's
it's actually really alarming that any grown person, any grown up,
would do things like this, Like you're gonna poop on
the floor, so someone steps in your poop by accident,

(22:57):
Like that's just weird. Have it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Putting drugs in someone's see that, that to me is
like a whole other level of putting an adderall or
viagra into a coffee is a whole other. It's poisoning.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
It is poisoning if you put it's like the last
case too. When you're putting something in somebody's food that
that is not supposed to be there, you are poisoning them.
And this is not a like he was like, Oh,
I'm gonna put viagra in the coffee pot so everybody
gets a bunch of boners, right, Like, that's not funny,
and aren't people with certain conditions not supposed.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
To get Yes, it's yes, exactly like it's and nobody
should be taking any drug that they didn't say they
wanted to take, like it's the bottom line. But the
township of north Bergen is like standing up for him
and saying they have full confidence in his leadership and
they strongly deny these false claims and allegations made by

(23:52):
disgruntled officers. Like, listen, I get people being disgruntled and stuff,
but this is just like such a weird specific thing
that why would you just make up that someone was
sticking a needle in someone's genitals and stuff. I one
hundred percent see this happening because I've known people like
this in the past. That just it's very weird behavior

(24:15):
from a grown up, especially a professional of law enforcement
of all things.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, like the examples are just for me, way too
specific to be made up. And I just also feel
like if multiple people are coming forward, they must have
some proof in some capacity. I mean, of course, all
of these claims are alleged to have happened, but like
you think all these police officers are gonna put their
job on the line. It is an interesting thing though,

(24:41):
because if there is no proof, which I feel like
in twenty twenty five, people are able to get proof
of this somehow, either with text messages or video anything
like that. But it's actually an interesting thing that if
there is no proof, and then there's also history that
there was some kind of relationship that people would want

(25:03):
to retaliate against him, even if it's one hundred percent true. Like,
I don't know what they do in those cases because
you can't just because people do make up stuff sometimes,
so you can't just buire somebody because of that, right, Well,
but I don't know. It's just a very it's not like, Okay,
you're just saying, oh, he sexually assaulted me and wouldn't
give me a promotion or something.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
That it's very like these just very odd things that
people would say. Yeah, I don't know, he's.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Only been the chief for a year. I think he
only gets sworn in as the chief last February. And
then this article is explaining that these complaints they filed
are like the first step before you could sue the employer.
So if they're planning on going forth with a lawsuit,
I'm assuming that they have sufficient evidence, because what lawyer
would take on this will be high profile police versus

(25:54):
like all these cops involved in this, and they have
another police department investigating it to conflict of interest, I'm like, oh,
because of the whole Karen Read thing. Now everybody's learning
that you can't just like have this department look into
their own case.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, exactly, Well, whatever, we'll report back if we hear
anything else, because the allegations are quite disturbing, and I
think that he probably shouldn't have a job anymore if
it's true.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I mean, if they find this to be true,
he absolutely should never be allowed to work in law
enforcement ever. Again, it's just totally inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So there was a newly proposed California ballot initiative, so
it was submitted to the California Attorney General hoping it
would make it more difficult for health insurance companies to
deny coverage, and they're calling it the Luigi Manngioni Act.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
This is very difficult one for me to think about
because I do think that This is a good idea,
and this bill should definitely be put forth because I've
told you that I've had personal experiences with this, and
so have probably ninety five percent of our listeners that
have had problems with getting certain things covered for insurance.

(27:05):
And part of the bill is to say that only
physicians could make these decisions. They can't just employ somebody
to make these decisions. And if they decide to delay
any kind of treatment, they would have to produce convincing
evidence that the medication or the procedure was unnecessary. They
can't just say, I mean, it literally just happened to me,

(27:27):
like with Lucia trying to get her a certain medication
that her rooumatologist called the insurance and was like, she
needs this medication, and they said, yeah, no, and that's it.
And there was no reason for why. It just was oh,
because that's how it is. And we were able to
get it through other programs and things like that. But

(27:47):
that's what this bill is meant to do. I don't
and obviously this should have been done a long time ago,
and it shouldn't have taken a guy to kill the
CEO of United Healthcare this to happen but that's what happened. So,
and I tell you all the time, I don't agree
with people taking the law into their own hands. So

(28:11):
I agree with this act. I don't think it should
be named after him, because all you're doing is glorifying
his actions and that's not a good idea.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I think
everybody can agree that the health insurance in the United
States is like absolutely out of control right now, and
I think having bills like this coming up are going
to help regulate that market, because, let's be honest, it's
just like totally it's totally out of control and nobody
can get a grasp on it right now. I mean,
even like with medical insurance things that we're doing. You know,

(28:41):
I call I talk to the doctor, I call the insurance,
I talk to them. Everybody has different answers. It doesn't
reflect the same when I get the bill in the mail.
Why is it such a complicated system? I do agree
with you one hundred percent that calling it the Luigiman
Gioni Act is going to be their mistake because a
lot of people. While a lot of people back him,

(29:02):
there's also a lot of people that think he's a
murderer and it's not justified. And by naming this like
you're saying, it's exactly glorifying his actions. And I feel
like that's going to prevent this bill from going through
because of the name.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I And I mean listen, if this act actually
goes through for the from the end of time, everybody
will be like, oh, that's the like it might be
called that by everybody. You don't name it, don't officially Yeah,
you can't officially do that, because then that that gives him,

(29:38):
That gives him that that makes it justified for him,
and then others will try to do things similar. I mean,
it's it's the whole copycat thing, right. Oh, this guy
is being held as a hero and he did this,
and now he has an act named after him and
things are going to change because of him. Well what
other thing is some other person going to stand up
and do like that? And I mean, I guess in

(30:01):
one sense, you could say, well, that's the only way
shit gets done, because there is some truth to that,
and anybody that's even against this happening, including myself, there
is definitely some truth to that because this bill would
not be here right now if he didn't do that,
because people just don't take it seriously until you know,
if they get punched in the face with it or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Well, I don't know if you saw this this morning too,
but Laura just shared that the Attorney General is now
seeing the death penalty for him.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
But I and I heard that and that was because
of the terrorism thing or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
So I'm bringing this up because, like I really am
convinced we're gonna have a really difficult time finding a
jury in this country that is gonna convict him, let
alone give him death for this crime. Because even though
a lot of people can agree it was wrong and
he shouldn't have murdered that man, there is not one

(30:57):
person in this country that is not affected by the
health insurance openes. So, like, think about this, I.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Do, I don't know. It's just like something that you
go back and forth with and the death panel, like
it technically is considered like a terroristic threat because now
you're not only like you did this and because of
this response, but then you're gonna have other people, I mean,
think about anybody else that's in charge of these healthcare companies.

(31:26):
It's like they're scared now, they're very scared now, right,
Which that's that's the whole thing of terrorism, So I
guess that's where why they are deciding on that particular thing.
But I agree with you and like, I feel like
I could be open minded to it in a jury
just because I didn't have, like necessarily a life or
death situation. I just had a terrible inconvenience for multiple

(31:50):
hours and weeks of my life trying to get it
sorted out. But ultimately, like through other programs and coupons
and everything, my kid was able to get a medication
that normal cost some insane amount of money whatever it
was two thousand dollars a month or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
But in the court, when you start hearing stories, oh yeah,
there's people that about people with cancer that were denied
life saving treatments, it's gonna hit your heart a different way.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Oh absolutely it is. And and you're one hundred percent right,
because it doesn't matter if you go to an area
that's more you know, has more money, or had different politics,
anything like this is just this is blanket across the
board problems. Now, I think the situation would be a
little bit more different if let's say, for example, his

(32:40):
mom was denied life saving treatment and she died. And
they weren't independently wealthy, and they were just like regular
blue collar people that were a victim of this, which
most people that are are you know, you know, low
to middle class people that are being affected by this
kind of stuff. I feel like people would have way

(33:00):
more sympathy for him. It's just a little unusual because
he was completely uninvolved with the whole thing, Like he
had enough money to pay for everything. He wasn't even
covered by this particular healthcare. So and we don't even
know like really any details of this yet because he
hasn't gone on trial or anything yet, so we have
no idea like what his reasoning was per se, like

(33:21):
what triggered him to do this, and so we kind
of have to wait for all that as well. And
you know, maybe it was like one of his friends
or something. I don't know, you know, but we just like,
in general, to keep order here in this country, we
should just not be okay with with someone taking the
wall into their hands like this.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
No, they need to rename it like this is this
is an excellent proposed ballot, but they have to change
the name because the controversy behind the name is going
to prevent it from moving forward, and like you can't
be dumb enough to let that get I guess I.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Guess you could argue though, that like everybody's talking about
it because of that, and maybe that's the point of
the more people know about it, the more people are
likely to back it, and the only way to spread
like if right now, let's say, for example, they just said, oh,
they're introducing new legislation for this, I don't even know

(34:19):
if we would have covered it, do you understand, And
not that we're anybody, but I'm saying, like every news
source is now covering it because it was called that.
So that's ultimately the point is how many eyes can
see it? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
For sure? I mean, all right, this story really really
is upsetting. So in San Diego, this nine year old
girl was put under anesthesia for a dental procedure and
then hours later she died at home.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, so obviously, like one of our best friends kids
has to get anesthesia because he has a lot of
medical anxiety because he had surgery and stuff when he
was a kid. So when you hear something like this,
you're like, you know, people that have to go through
this and this is a common thing that people go
through all the time, so what the hell happened? But
when you start really digging into the story, it seems

(35:08):
like there was a lot of inappropriate things happening. Like
the dentist is saying that she came out of anesthesia,
she was totally fine, she was awakened, alert, and they
sent her home and then she had died at home.
But what's really unusual is that the fact the girl's
family is saying that when they took her home she
was asleep. She was still asleep after the procedure, and

(35:30):
they let her take her home when she was still asleep,
and they put her in bed and were checking on
her throughout the night, and then they finally found her
unresponsive and called nine one one, and she was taken
to the hospital and was pronounced dead.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I mean, I can't see any situation at all where
you would let a person that has not woken up
from anesthesia go home yet unsupervised by medical professional.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So I mean, I guess, as of right now, this
is the dentist saying this versus versus the family saying this.
I just think, like, why would a family make this
up like they don't. They're saying they took their kid
home and she was still sleeping. I don't really understand.
But so we don't know what the manner of cause
of death were yet because they're doing an autopsy and
working it up. So what they'll look at, especially in

(36:17):
a nine year old, because kids could have underlying heart
conditions that they don't know about. So they're going to
look to see if she has any kind of congenital
heart anomaly that could have been responsible for this. But
also they'll do toxicology and look at the levels to
see what medications she was given, especially because this dude
back in twenty sixteen was under investigation for giving a

(36:39):
fifty four year old too much anesthesia which led to
his heart stopping, and then they figured out that one
of the drugs he was given should have never been
given to him. So this guy already has a history
of this, and that's what they're going to rule out.
I mean, the kid's dead ultimately like that that happened.
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So do you think since it's April Fool's Day, is
it possible that this company is like trying to play
a joke's on us with this next story.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I would say not so. The company Freda, the baby
product company, has announced that in nine months they have
a due date for a breast milk flavored ice cream.
I don't know how this is gonna go because obviously,
like I want to try it, although I never tried
my breast milk, so I don't really know what it tastes.
Like Gabe has though, so maybe we can get him

(38:46):
to try it and see if it's close enough. But
I don't think we need the details of that went down.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
There was a couple different times it went down, actually,
and I won't we don't have to get into that
right now. But remember we've talked about several times like
people consuming human milk, and just that there's no health
organization that actually recommends that adults need to consume breast
milk for any reason.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, but it seems like in this case they're not
going to be using real breast milk.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So no, it's just for I guess, for awareness and
just I mean kind of it's a genius marketing ploy. Honestly,
it's true. So people, do you know, like having human
consumption of breast milk is like a celebrity thing too,
especially like I think one of the Kardashians said that

(39:37):
she would drink it for a variety of illnesses and stuff,
And there's really no robust evidence suggesting that human milk
can be used to treat illnesses or infections. But bodybuilders
use it too, which is really interesting, right.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Well, yeah, but does it Isn't it packed with like
like a lot of nutrients and everything. That's why they're
saying they want to use it.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
They say they use it to lose fat and to
bulk up, and there's a whole online marketplace for it,
which is just so bizarre. I get. I don't know,
it's the same thing as like eating this animal versus
this animal. You know, sometimes people say, ew, goat milk
is gross, and you're like, yeah, but you drink cow milk,
Like what's the difference where it comes from? Right? So,

(40:20):
I don't know why I've never tried it. I just
like I never I don't know, I just never really
had an interest in trying it. But now I regret
it because I want to see if it tastes like
this ice cream.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well it's interesting because this article is also citing that
seventy percent of women have tried their own breast milk,
while twenty nine percent of men are interested themselves, So
it is quite popular that people do it.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
You have something coming out of your body, you're feeding
it to your kid, are you're just not a little interested.
I'm actually surprised you never tried it based on the
way you are or.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I know, I don't know why either. Maybe it just
was like one of those you know how when you're
if you're pregnant or some thing, or even afterwards, you
could like have these certain cravings for things and get
turned off by other things, And maybe it was just
one of those things that I just never was interested in.
It sucks because I had it in my freezer up
until we redid the kitchen like two years ago. So

(41:14):
I finally got rid of it, and I felt bad
getting rid of it, But I'm like, my kid's like
ten at this point, let's probably get rid of it. Well.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I mean, this ice cream does have the potential to
be good. I mean a lot of people on Reddit
were equating the flavor of breast milk to being like
leftover cereal milk, warm vanilla ice cream, chi tea sweet
almond milk. So if you like those flavors, you might
be interested. And they're gonna include some nutrients like omega three,
some important vitamins like iron, calcium, vitamin B, D, zinc,

(41:45):
you know, all the good stuff that's found in breast milk.
So I guess this maybe will be considered a healthier
ice cream. I don't know, but just wait, like it's
watch it be the most delicious vanilla ice cream that
ever existed, and it probably you have to feel like all.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Awkward and getting it at the store. It's like buying
tampons or something.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I was thinking when I was writing my notes for this, like,
can you imagine like going on a date with a
guy and going back to his house and he's got
the breast milk ice cream in his freezer? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Right, you would be like, this guy is such a freak.
He's such a kinky freak. I'm not dating him anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
That's like an episode of Sex and the City, right,
Like how would you feel about it? But I mean,
I'll try it. If they want to send it to us,
I'll try it. I'm put it out there, Okay, so
this new study is suggesting that artificial sweeteners, which is
something that's often used for weight loss, actually could trigger
you to have a bigger appetite.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
So this has been known for a couple of years.
I'm not sure if they really had figured out what
caused it. But back two years ago, now May of
twenty twenty three, the World Health Organization had issued an
advisory saying that these sugar substitutes for weight loss are
not to be used. They do not help you with

(43:03):
losing weight. And now they've done these extra studies that
have shown that people have an increased appetite up to
twenty percent more when they drink water with sucrolouse versus
water with table sugar. So they're essentially saying that you're
less hungry if you have a drink with table sugar

(43:24):
as opposed to having this fake sugar, because it's turning
on something in your brain that makes you hungrier. Which
makes sense because a lot of times you see people
housing like ten diet cokes a day and you're like,
you're not really thin, Like what's happening here? And it
makes sense, and which is scary because you see the

(43:47):
word diet coke and you think that it would be
like drinking zero calories, but in fact it's making you hungrier.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I mean, I wouldn't say I've noticed a difference because
a couple of years ago, I mean, I used to
house splendid, like nobody's business. I like the way it tastes.
I would always get it in like iced tea or
my coffees. And then when I had when I got
prescribed by migraine medication, the doctor told me to stop
having artificial sweeteners because they could set off headaches. So

(44:15):
I had switched to sugar, and I did happen to
notice like I was snacking a lot less during the
day because I wasn't having so much of it. I
think it's an interesting correlation.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
It is, and it does make sense though, because if
you and listen, that stuff is in everything. It's in
so much things. It was in one drink that I have,
one of these hydrating drinks. Check those next time you
drink them, because they might have that kind of stuff
in them. You know what it is When you have it,

(44:45):
it gives you that like, really, I don't know, I'm
just so sensitive to the taste of it and I
don't really enjoy it, But now there's actual proof that
these drinks are not doing well for people. So I
wonder if people actually stop drinking them instead of you know,
thinking that they're helping with their weight loss or keeping

(45:06):
their weight loss down, because in fact is working against you.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, now that this is kind of like more public information,
I guess in the next like five to ten years,
we'll have a secondary study following up to see if
people read this made the shift and seen an impact
on it. Well, it's just the same as everything though.
It's like back in like I always use this example,
like back in the day when I was a kid
and we went to the grocery store, it was just

(45:31):
like all we have were paper bags, and then all
of a sudden, it was like, oh, we can't use
these anymore. They're so terrible for the environment. They're cutting
down all these trees and stuff. So we're going to
start using these plastic bags. And we know where we
ended up with that, right, So it's the same thing
like back in the day when when I was a
kid and stuff, it was like sugar, sugar, sugar makes
you fat. Take all these fake there's the diet drinks,
the fake sugars, to put inside your coffee and all

(45:53):
this stuff. And of course now they're just like, yeah,
that stuff is you're saying, triggers, migraines. It gives you
terrible diarrhea if.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
You have too much of it, like a laxative effect
on people. Now we're the weight loss thing that we
know that some of them cause cancer. So it's like
you always hear about these things that are changing. I mean, like,
guess what we're gonna hear it about in twenty years
from now, the magic drug that's causing everyone to lose weight.
There's just always going to be these things that come

(46:22):
down the line with it that you're like, oh, you
know what, that actually probably wasn't better. And really the drink,
the drinking of the calories thing is a huge thing.
So I think if you just stick with with water,
which I think it's gross, I get it, but maybe
just like a little swig of like lemon juice or
you really shouldn't have that much either because it could

(46:43):
be bad for your teeth. But like just a little
drop of vanilla strain it through some fruit to give
it a little hint of flavor is probably the best.
Because trying to artificially do something is not going to
work out, all right.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Let's get into these mystery p jugs.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
So this story is so bizarre. This guy in.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Oregon goes to bring in his recycling bin and notices
that it wasn't fully empty, so he opens the lid
and finds all these jugs of p just sitting in there,
which the recycling guys like picked all the recycling out
and then left that obviously because they're like, this isn't
our problem to deal with. So he's like, well, where
did these come from? It keeps happening over the next week,

(47:24):
big jugs, like gallon size jugs filled with piss, so
he it keeps They keep popping up. Over the next
couple of weeks. He finally sets up a camera. He
sees this guy in a hood with a BMW pulling up,
but he still can't see who the guy is or anything.
So eventually he knows somebody.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
He knows that a.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Man is doing it, but doesn't know who. Eventually he
brings the canon and just stops putting the recycling out.
So the guy moves on to his neighbor's house and
he just keeps putting the jugs in there and they
still have no idea who it is.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
It's very interesting actually when I was reading about this,
because I was thinking about like a similar thing I
guess supposed could happen in our neighborhood, and I guess, like, what, like,
what are you supposed to do with it? Because you
have to keep it. It's like you can't just leave
it on the street. I just think that they should
be able to call their police department and get this

(48:21):
handled because that it's really gross. It's kind of a biohazard.
If the recycle recycling is obviously not going to take
anything that's got liquid in it because they can't do
anything with it. But even if you could put it
in your trash, you know, like what happens if your
trash comes before you're recycling. You just have to do

(48:42):
something with it. And really, why is any person doing this.
It's just so bizarre because it's not like you could
pee that much in one sitting, so it it almost
reminds me of in the labs sometimes you have to
do like a twenty four hour urin, so you have
to pee in the same container for a whole entire day.
Just so they can get an idea of how your

(49:03):
kidneys are working throughout the day, and it like that
guy had to sit there and pee in that container
multiple times to fill it to that and then to
have multiple, like multiple days in a row, Like what
is making you do that? And he's driving a fairly
nice car, so you could think that he's not homeless,
and he could afford to have a toilet, so like

(49:26):
you could also just pee outside, like yeah, when you're
a dealing dug. It's just it's just so bizarre. But
it's also like this weird way to really torture a
person because it's it's like wreaking havoc on their neighborhood
and they don't seem like they could really do anything
about it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
So it's reminding me of this really bizarre situation that happened.
Like at the first I don't it's not an apartment
when I first moved out, like as a grown up,
I moved it. My friend's sister owned a house, and
I rented a room in her house, and we had
this same close front porch, and every once in a while,

(50:03):
this like item would show up in the middle of
the night, like a donut or something with one bite
taken out of it and be in the enclosed front porch,
and she told me it had been happening since she
bought the house, and it was really fucking weird because
I would get home from work at like three o'clock
in the morning from the bar, and my roommate was

(50:24):
would go to the gym at like five thirty, So
it was happening in between three and five thirty. And
this was like before we had the ring doorbell and everything.
And it happened the whole time I lived there, and
for months after. We never figured it out.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
It was probably just the roommate like snacking on donuts
before going to the gym or something.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
It was really bizarre. But we're like, this creepy like
man is probably like walking up to the house and
leaving these like little signs. It was.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
It's that's little scarial killer mentality for real, I know,
And I just don't understand the point of this. And
they're also just making note that the pea is like
very like dark and dehydrated. It's just so weird.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
It's very weird.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
If he was trying to, like I wonder like, is
it targeted to this guy or this particular neighborhood or
is it just random. I don't understand why any person
would ever have jugs of their pea unless they don't
have I don't. I don't know, because like, where's the
guy pooping and stuff too. It's just really weird.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if we find out
that well, I guess not because the neighbor. I was
gonna say, what if this was like a coworker that
was trying to torture him over something he can't I
just feel like if I called my police department and
said this, they would do something about it.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I know they would, because you can't live in a
small town.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
This person might live in a like in a bigger
town or a city, and they might just be like,
we have bigger fish to fry, like we're not worried
about this, but the guy had said he did file
a police report, and nobody could figure out who it is.
I'm like I would be sitting out there all night.
I feel like one of our cops would like sit.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Outside the house all night and and wait to see
if it happens.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Like nobody's like nobody in the hole on the whole
street is willing to sit on their port all night
and just wait for this guy to show up. Or
maybe it's just so random they can't pinpoint when it
when he decides to do it, and like why is
he picking that particular?

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Like that would seriously piss me off, really because it's
really it's disgusting, and it's smelled like just because it's stealed,
it still smells terrible, I'm sure, and and like to
have to touch someone else's piss is it's just like
it's not cool. It's just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I mean, listen, when somebody even walking by my house
puts their dog shit bag in my trash can, I
want to go out there and flip the fuck out, like,
let alone seven to eight jugs of human piss. It's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I thought you weren't allowed to put stuff in people's
trash cans anyway. I thought that was like a no.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
No please, people do it all the time. Okay, So
a couple of years ago, this woman in her thirties
got a subdermal contraceptive inplant. I think first you should
explain what that is for everybody.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
All right, So sometimes you can get a birth control
that it's it's not a pill, it's more of a
permanent birth control, they would say. And you get this
four centimeter long like rod that's placed underneath of the skin,
so subdermal means underneath of the skin of the arm,
and it is supposed to release progesterone to stop ovulation

(53:29):
so you don't get pregnant. And in general, it's it's
considered a pretty safe and effective form of birth control.
And there's a certain placement that should be considered proper.
It should be between the groove of the bicep and
tricep muscle on the inner side of a non dominant arm,
seven centimeters above the elbow crease. So that could vary

(53:51):
from person to person, especially if people are like super
skinny or they have super fat arms like my arms.
In that case, like it just would be like a
little bit easier or difficult to put in to people
or to potentially harm them if it's not in the
right location. So this woman had one put into her

(54:11):
body six years prior. She was in her late thirties,
and she got it put in, and then a week
after she got to put in, she realized she couldn't
feel it anymore. Now, if you have one of these
subdermal implants. Just because it's right underneath the skin. When
you rub your arm, you should be able to feel
the little rod underneath your arm. You could usually even
see it kind of underneath of the skin there, and

(54:34):
if you do not feel it, you should immediately call
your doctor and let them know because they could quickly
do an X ray or they could do a SET
scan to see if it's there. And it's in place,
because this rod is covered with a certain material that
is called barium sulfate, which can be seen on an

(54:54):
X ray and a CT scan like it lights it
up very nicely on there, so it's very simple to
figure out if it has moved or not. Sometimes it
could go deeper into the skin, but in this case,
it could travel to a different location in the body,
which is crazy. So they she decided, like I don't
know why, six years later, just randomly was at a

(55:16):
routine checkup and was like, hey, I had this thing
placed six years ago and I can't feel it anymore.
Is that a problem. And they say, okay, let's X
ray your arm and they don't see it anywhere in
the arm, So then they they do a CT scan
and sure enough, they find this four centimeter long contraceptive
implant embedded in her lung.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I can't believe in all that time she didn't have
any symptoms of this at all being a problem.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
She had no symptoms. So this is it's considered an embolism,
which means that it starts at one location of the
body and it goes to another location of the body.
And in this case, when it was initially placed, the
probably put it into too deep into the arm and
went into a vein which then traveled all the way

(56:06):
to the heart and then went into the atrium of
the heart, the ventricle of the heart, and then went
through the pulmonary artery and got lodged into her lung. So,
since it there's different ways that they can remove it.
The easiest way is called endovascular, which means they go
through the blood vessels and they get these like little
pinchy things and they basically pull it out. But they said,
since it was there for so long, they thought that

(56:28):
that wasn't going to be an option because your body
would recognize that you had this foreign body in there
for years and would build up walls against it, so
it wouldn't be that easy to remove it. She could
if she went right away when she when she first
noticed it was missing, this would totally be an option.
But for her, they were basically like, listen, we got
to cut out like portions of your lung in order

(56:49):
to get this out, like lung surgery, removing portions of
your lung. And she thought that the side effects were
too risky and was like, I'm not doing that, so
and this is like a difficult thing to make a
decision for. But I mean, imagine having little kids and
stuff and thinking about getting chest surgery, to your chest
cut open, having to get pieces or lung removed and stuff.

(57:11):
It's a little it's it's really scary. So they decided
that they were going to follow up with the CT scan,
and they kept following up with her. They confirmed it
was still in her lung, and they were just like listen,
like if it just stays there and you don't have
any symptoms, then you're cool. And if you start having
chest pain or coughing, go right to the hospital. So like,

(57:33):
I'm not saying that this isn't going to give her
a problem in the future, because it certainly can, but
right now, it just seems to be staying there, and
she's fine with leaving it there. I feel like I
would be like, get this to frig out of me.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I don't know, yeah, because couldn't it potentially be way worse?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Well? Yeah, but it's not right now, so I guess
that's what I mean. There's different things that could happen
to it. You could start having a foreign body reaction
to it. I mean, I'm sure at some point she
may have to have this addressed, but right now she's
at the point where it's safe. It's it's not going
to kill her immediately like that. The next thing would

(58:09):
just be like some kind of infection possibly or like
I said, like a foreign body reaction that could cause
like a mass of tissue to kind of grow around that.
But as of right now, she seems fine.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday at the at mother knows that Instagram account,
you guys can head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. First, have you gotten ruptured Terrie
due to VBAC?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
No? Oh?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Is it bacterial?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
No? It's vaginal birth after cesarean Okay, So sometimes if
a woman has a cesarean section, she might want to
try to have vaginal birth afterwards. And the reason for
that is because like you should always want to do
birth just because it's the success rate is just so

(59:04):
much more. There's lower risk of infection, you can get
up literally like after I had my kid, got up
and went to the bathroom. Like it's just like there's
no downtime, there's no scarf, there's no risks that come
with surgeries, like infections or anything like that. So even
if you had to have a C section for whatever reason,

(59:25):
some women decide to have vaginal birth after if they're
a candidate for it. And there's been a success rate
of seventy percent in people who decide that they want
to have a vaginal birth after they have a cesarean section,
But there's all sorts of different risk factors associated with that.
So they think that women who have had who had

(59:49):
vaginal birth and then had a cesarean section are more
likely to be successful with having a vaginal birth after that.
The biggest reason of risk, and this is the question
that one of our listeners is asking, is when you
have a cesarean section, it puts a scar not just
on your abdomen there that you see, but it puts

(01:00:10):
a scar on your uterus. So when your uterus gets
bigger and you're giving birth, that that area where that
sea section scar is is always considered to be like
a point of weakness because it was cut open before,
and they think that sometimes just the trauma and the
pushing associated with vaginal birth could like basically bust open

(01:00:33):
that scar, and that happens. That's what she's asking if
there's rupture because so to answer your question, we had
a specimen like that in our lab once and it
was actually one of the physicians' wives that was giving
birth and they had to give her a hysterectomy right
after she gave birth because the previous sea section scar ruptured.

(01:00:56):
But that it is a possibility, but there's plenty of
and that also have a success with it. So it's
an individual thing that someone needs to decide. But usually
the obstetrician will will really recommend if they think a
person's a good candidate for it or not. There's some
other factors, like see how I had like Lilian and

(01:01:17):
Lucea within eighteen months of each other. They're kind of
like and like the further apart, the babies are the
better chance of it being successful. There's all sorts of
different risk factors. Like I said, if you only had
C sections, maybe your first two or three pregnancies, and
then you want to do vaginal they might advise against it.
So it does happen, but it's rare. I only saw

(01:01:38):
it that one time, and I've seen some case reports
of it too, but I don't think it's super common.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
All right, too, if somebody does because of a suspected
OD is a tok screening done first and they wait
for the results before performing an autopsy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
They would do a talk screen right away, so they
could stick in you all right into the bladder and
pull out urine and do what's called the quick talk screen,
which would which would look for the major drugs that
people would take, and depending on the results of that,
they would want to do an autopsy. But really the

(01:02:16):
true toxicology results won't be back for a while, like
sometimes it could take months, and so they're going to
do an autopsy right away based upon what the results
of the quick talks are. It just it all depends
on what office is doing it, what medical examin or
corner's office is doing it, but they would never wait

(01:02:40):
for actual toxicology results because of how long they take,
so you would only have quick and quick is just
like cocaine, opioids, things like that, Like you wouldn't. I
just wrote about a case of a person that tried
to take gopher killer and strict nine, and that's something
that wouldn't be in a quick talks because that's not

(01:03:03):
a common People don't commonly ingest that and that, but
that could come out in a later toxicology report that
would come out, you know, weeks two months later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
All right, last, what are your three love languages?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
There's only like five. So I looked this up because
I have I really don't know about this, and I
looked it up and I still I don't know. I
just think it's kind of domb Honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
It's just like I guess, out of the five which
is affirmation, quality, time, physical touch, acts of service, and
receiving gifts, it's like what you are most receptive to
all of it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
I don't, Yeah, I just don't. I don't know. Like
I was trying to do this before we answered this
question for you guys, Like I went on the website
and there's like a test and it was asking questions
and it's like would you rather receive a nice text
message or would you rather have a hug? And I'm like,
I want both? Like is that I don't like I

(01:04:00):
couldn't pick one or the other because I like, me
and Gabe do this thing every day, like multiple times
a day, because we saw this like Instagram post a
real a while back that was just talking about like
hugging and having like a connection for forty seconds and like,
and we just do it every day as a joke,
like we will just say, like, oh, has it been
forty second? Jets you feel the love connection we're having

(01:04:22):
right now and stuff like that. So I enjoy I
enjoy that, But I also enjoy him leaving me notes too,
So I don't. I don't know, Like I just I
can't pick one or the other. I think that the
gift thing, I guess I would say is my least likely.
I'd rather get the other stuff. But like Gabe does
my laundry. I love that. That's awesome, but he leaves

(01:04:44):
me no. I mean, I don't know, Like I don't
there's not one that I like more than the other.
I guess it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I mean, I guess you should have a significant other
that gives you some of everything, not just one thing.
But yeah, like you're saying, like I'm an agreement with you,
where like I want a little bit of everything, Like
with the affirmation, I like, you know, my husband tells
me every day I'm beautiful, and he tells me he loves.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Me every day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
But I don't need him to be obnoxious about it.
At the same time, I know that because we're married
and I know he loves me, and these things are beautiful,
you know what I mean? And say with like other things,
like I do respond really well to quality time, but
I also want my own quality time with myself everything,
you know. I I thought it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Was weird that there was a chart that was like
telling you to find out what your significant other's love
language was and telling you things like not to do.
And I'm like that that's kind of like weird, right,
I don't know, I just I just thought it was
it was just weird to just make somebody, oh, do

(01:05:50):
this instead of this. I'm like, well, I don't really
want somebody to not be authentic because they're trying to
like cater to my needs. It's kind of weird. Yeah,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I think you and I just don't really get it.
I feel like a lot of people that are like
super into like zodiac stuff, this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Is in their realm, and I'm all sorry, so I'll
have to ask. I have my my sister in laws
into the zodiac stuff, so let me ask her if
she's into the love language thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I people say it before. I just like never. I
just like never.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I don't know. I just don't. I don't really care.
Maybe I should care more. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I'm just like, be nice to me and we'll go
from me. It changes every day too, like you know,
like one day you might want more affection or notes whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
I don't know. It's crazy to have to pick one
thing and listen. I'm I'm not gonna say here next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Like I don't like gifts. I mean, I don't need
like a Chanel bag, but I like when I bought
like coffee once in a while and just little little
things here and there. All right, Well, thank you guys
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Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Thanks guys, see you later in the week.

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