November 28, 2024 • 50 mins
Happy Thanksgiving! We have all the stories you need for casual convos at the Thanksgiving table this year - from common cooking accidents to tales of dismemberment, cannibalism, and eating injuries. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have a special Thanksgiving
episode for you today, talking about the most common things
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that we would see at Thanksgiving time that have to
do with of course eating and also relationship disputes. So
let's get into Let's get into cooking injuries at first.
All right, yeah, let's start off with a bunch of
cooking injuries. This is going to be, you know, the
most common thing we see this time of year. So first,
let's start off talking about a pressure cooker. This is
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something that the both of us heavily use a lot.
I mean I feel like I use it for almost
every single dinner. Really, you use it that often? Yeah,
I really cook so much there. I use it sometimes.
I think it's really cool. I just started using it
when you told me to get it, actually a couple
of years ago, and it is. It is really awesome.
But what happens is with for those of you who've
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never used a pressure cooker, it just you put your
food in there and it cooks it and it accelerates
the boiling point basically to cook your food faster than
it normally could on a stove, but when it's under
pressure like that, it can be a serious safety hazard.
So even if you've bought one of these modern instapots
at you know, Target or whatever, there's one thousand warning
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labels all over it, and you know, the history of
them kind of can scare the shit out of you
if you really know what could happen like it did
in this particular case we have in the gross room. Yeah.
I mean there used to be I feel like a
lot of issues with it when they first were like
popping off, and you know, I guess they started coming
out in what the seventies, probably in the eighties, but
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they were having a lot of problems, and then all
of a sudden, the insta pot comes out and like
it's this like new modern machine for millennials, Right. I
think they came back because they put all these crazy
safety mechanisms on it to prevent them from blowing off,
but they still tell you that there's a possibility of
doing it. Yeah. So in this case, this woman was
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in her thirties, she was using the instapot. I guess
she was, or I don't know, was the fancy pot
specific or just a pressure cooker. It just said a
pressure cooker. Okay, So she's using a pressure cooker and
she's standing in front of it, and all of a sudden,
the lid blows off of it. The thing tips over.
If you've ever used one of these things, they caused
this crazy amount of steam that comes out. Again, there's
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a million warnings all over these things that are like,
don't stand near when it's releasing steam. Obviously, she didn't
know the lid was gonna blow off of it, so
it tips over, and then it's like pushing all of
that excess steam and boiling hot liquid onto her and
she immediately, you know, her partner tried to get her
in a cold shower as quickly as pot. They brought
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her to urgent care, but she had really bad burns
from this. Yeah, she had second degree burns over a
large percentage of her body from both the steam and
the liquid hot boiling fluid that was in the pressure cooker.
So just we're just telling you, like we use them
all the time, but just be careful with them because
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they could really hurt you. And like, think about this.
The Boston Marathon bombers used pressure cookers to really shrapnel,
so it's like they have the potential to really harm you,
so you just have to follow. Think if you follow
the directions and stuff, you're gonna be cool. Yeah. I
think the thing is like you want to buy a
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good brand that has a good reputation of not a
lot of incidents happening, and you know there's labels all
over it that are like, when it's pressure cooking, do
not try to force the lid off for a good reason.
I don't know what happened in this case, if it
was a vaulty machine or it wasn't being used, but
we obviously don't want to end up in situations like
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this because they're horrible and these things get really hot.
One of my theories in medicine in general, and this
is just with medical devices as well as just everyday
things that people use that get they get injured by
I think that they're way under reported. So for example,
if this lady went to urgent care and said I
got burned and it wasn't her fault, it didn't seem
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like it was her fault or whatever it was, it
still should get reported to the company. Right, What are
the chances that they're getting the exact name brand of
whatever she was using and sending this report to the
company that she got injured by it, Like this probably
happens all the time. I say the same thing about
like iud's and stuff, all these things that I've seen
people having injuries from all the time, and I'm just like,
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I wonder how many of these are actually reported to
the companies as complications from a medical issue or from
a product that was dysfunctioning. Yeah, I don't know. I
would assume also because of like you know, the holidays
and getting bombarded with a bunch of injuries. And I'm
assuming that most hospitals are understaffed on holidays because a
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lot of regular personnel take off that they're not really
worried about making sure the company is getting the report
if something happens. But I've never been on that end
of it like we have gotten. I know for a
fact that we used to report certain breast and plants
that would rupture or something like that. We had reporting
systems to put in, but that was only if they
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told us of a specific case. There was also these
devices they used to use back in the day for
birth control called ashore, which was they put these coils
into fallopian tubes and took it was to cause scarring,
so then you in theory you couldn't get pregnant. And
people were just having all sorts of complications with them.
So we would get them sent down to the lab
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and they would tell us like, hey, this is a lawsuitcase.
Make sure that you really work this one up and
take lots of pictures and stuff. But just on average
everyday case is that wasn't always the case. Yeah, that's
really interesting. I never thought about that, like when people
have to sue the companies. What happens on your guys
end with that? Oh, yeah, it was. It was pretty
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cool actually, Like we would get a uterus from the
surgery and we we had to do it when we
got the information from the lawyer's office. They gave us
very specific instructions how to cut the uterus, and it
was really crazy because it was not anywhere near the
normal way that we would cut it. And then we
had to submit all these different sections and put it
in all these different put this one in formally, make
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a paraffin block of this one, all this stuff, just
because it was a lawsuit, and that was the most
common one that I saw in surgical pathology was from
those assured devices, all right. And while I could get
burned by something like a pressure cooker any day, more
specifically to Thanksgiving is deep friers for turkeys. Yeah, they
cause a lot of issues, so they became popular. They
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haven't been used forever in this country, obviously, but they
became really popular probably when Martha Stewart put it on
the front cover of her magazine back in the nineties. Well,
let's not blame Martha for this. I'm not blaming Martha.
I've never had it, and I want to have it
so bad. One of the firemen makes it, and I'm
going to try to go there on Thanksgiving one day
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just to get to taste it because I heard it's amazing.
I'm not blaming her. I'm just saying that a lot
of people might have became a hip to it because
of Martha Stewart. You're gonna leave the five star meal
at my house to try to get a deep fried tar, Yeah,
I am, because it's sad. I heard it's delicious. So yeah.
It seems like in the eighties this started, you know,
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first happening when they were converting like crawfish boilers into
these turkey deep friars. And then of course this is
really appealing to a lot of people, especially Americans, because
you know, we all love best fried food over here,
so a lot of people do this. But I think
the problem is a lot of people don't know what
they're doing. They're leaving these things unsupervised. They're like making
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them way too hot, They're putting them really close to
their house. They're overall just this general fire hazard. They're
not wearing the correct clothing to be near it. Well,
I think the biggest thing that people don't realize is
that you can't stick a frozen turkey inside of it
because that extra moisture just makes the oil boil over
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more and just cause a potential issue. And we have
a story, actually a news story of a person like Luckily.
So what happened was they had the turkey fire that
was heated by propane and the oil, you know, because
they weren't cooking it properly or monitoring it, the oil
spilled over onto the pro pain tank, which then exploded. Luckily,
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no one in the house got hurt, but it did
set their house on fire, which is which is terrible. Well,
what I want to say about that story is that
this happened at one o'clock in the morning, which I
do think a lot of people. Well, I don't know
why you would be deep frying a turkey overnight, because
I think the point of frying it is that it
cooks so quickly. Whereas you know, my husband sometimes will
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like smoke something overnight, but he won't go to bed,
like he'll just stay up all night long and watch
it all night. But I think people just stick stuff
in the smoker or whatever and then just like go
to bed and then hope it's done in the morning,
which is so unsafe. But I don't know why this
guy was deep frying at one o'clock in the morning,
but basically wanted a snack. Was it actually for Thanksgiving
dinner or he was just it was just like a
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random Tuesday, you know. No, I think it was around Thanksgiving.
I think it was Thanksgiving week, So I don't know
what he was doing cooking in the middle of the night.
But he set it all up, got it going, and
then went inside and fell asleep. And then when it's unsupervised,
this accident could have easily happened if he was standing there.
But you might have like a fire extinguisher right next
to it and be able to put it out before
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it blows all the windows out of the back of
your house. It sets the back of your house on fire.
So well, they estimate that there are sick study injuries
a year because of deep fried turkeys and five deaths
a year because of it. So, I mean, just got it.
We know is linked to Yeah, like you just gotta
you gotta be careful with that. But you know what,
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I was just thinking. You know those delicious turkey legs
that they have in Disney World, Yeah, are they deep
fried or what? Like? How are they? No, They're probably
smoked because they have a special taste to them. I
don't know. They are crispy. They're crispy, and they're like's
so greasy where you technically like the leg is dark meat,
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so it's going to be you know what I mean,
that meat seems to just have like a greasier feel
to it. I guess I don't. I wouldn't. I know,
you're not a dark person, I am. Yeah, I don't
really like the turkey legs that much, but I know
that's if it really is. Yeah, you know, I've thought
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about this a lot. I really like the skin of
turkey and like the thick like white meat parts, but like,
I'm not a huge like I eat chicken, but I
don't really like it that much. Does that make sense
if it has that gross chicken eat taste too? No,
I know, I feel the same exact way. I feel
like you have to eat chicken just because it's it's
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like the healthiest lean protein, but it is. I think
it's gross. And it's the same with Thanksgiving, Like I
might have a tiny little piece of turkey, but really
all I want is decides you know. Well, yeah, so
like I always have it, and I think the skin
and the piece. I think the piece I eat taste good,
but I don't ever want like a giant chunk of it.
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My husband also makes a ham, which personally, I think
is like the best thing in the world. I would
just eat the ham, I think that's yeah, I'm looking
forward to the ham the most. Honestly, too, I feel like,
over any meat, I prefer pork over every single meat. Honestly,
a turkey is just big chicken to be just like
really a big leski. I don't know, and I don't
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know why all of a sudden in the last ten years,
they've like Turkey's just freely roam our area. We I
feel like we never saw them growing up just walking
around that day, never, never once, And now there's like
straight up Thanksgiving turkeys like walking around on my street.
It's so weird. They're just there and their thingies. What
is that thing that hangs off their gizzard thing or
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that's it. I don't think that's their gizzard. I don't know,
but that gross things. I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
it's just like I can't it's just really they're just
nasty looking and obviously they freely roam like the land
before because obviously people were hunting them, and that's like
the establishment of their Thanksgiving meal. It's just weird that
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for so for twenty years of my life, I never
saw one just wandering on a suburban street. And now
they're just everywhere anywhere you go. It's so bizarre. I don't, well,
so you're gonna find this hilarious. So I say to Gabela, like, hey,
have you ever gone to any fires for a deep turkey?
And he said, yeah, my firehouse. And then I'm like,
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you know what, I don't even want to know, but
you know what, the most common injuries that er doctors
are seeing are from knives and people cutting themselves by accident. Well,
that doesn't surprise me because I think a lot of
people are drinking when they're cooking or preparing extens Yeah,
that's probably the biggest thing. Also, I think a lot
of people that don't normally cook are trying to take
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this opportunity to learn how to cook, and they're just
doing things they don't know how to do. They're not
educated with it. I think a lot of things that
this is what I learned, because believe it or not,
you would say working in anatomic pathology is kind of
the most similar job you could have to cooking without cooking,
because you're literally cutting meat all day. And I think
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one of a misnomer that people have, especially students that
I've seen, is that they think they're like kind of
frightened by really sharp knives. Which really sharp knives are
the best knives to use because you have to put
minimal effort in with your hand and the blade does
the cutting right. Yeah, if you have a knife that's
dull and you're pushing really hard to cut through the meat,
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that's where you're gonna have the most chance of like
slipping because meat has fat in it and you're you're
talking about the turkey legs being greasy and if the
blade will slip right off of it and it'll hurt
you really bad. So I think people buy knives. I
I might have been guilty of this prior to being
a PA, but when I buy I bought knives maybe
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two years ago when I redid my kitchen, and I
sharpen them like every week. I sharpen them because I
want them to be as sharp as possible when I
cut things. So I don't know if people do that,
but you should because that's the safest thing to do,
is just to have a really sharp blade, and it's easy.
It's easy to do. Or you get that old school
electric one like we have, and that one's awesome. That's
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not old school old school is the non electric one,
like electric is like new school. But yeah, that that
electric one is like an eighties thing. It's just that
you're talking about the electric knife. I thought you met
the sharpener. No, I'm talking about like the like Clark
Griswold stuff. I got that for you guys. Actually, because
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a lot of people I remember just being a kid
in the eighties and that was the thing happening, an
electric knife, and you were laughing about it. And then
I got it for Ricky and he thinks it's awesome. No,
I mean, all our friends make fun of us for it,
but it's really the best thing ever. I mean, you'd
use it to cut me. It's we use it to
cut the sour dough because the sour dough is pretty
hard to cut through sometimes. Yeah, it cuts that really nice.
So you can really use it for anything. Yeah, No,
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I was talking about just like sharpening the blades, because
they sell electric knife sharpeners, but they're kind of expensive.
You could just use the old school stone to do it,
and most knives come with the sharpening tool, so it's
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holiday murders. Oh my god. Yeah, these are all family related.
So in New Mexico, this family was headed over to
a loved one's house for they were saying throughout the day,
everything seemed like it was going normal. A husband and
wife was hosting the dinner. The wife had been texting
via a group chat with her family talking about her
plans for the day. So later in the day, the
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husband's family gets to the house and they're, you know,
knocking on the door. Nobody's answering. They're looking through the
windows and the house seems empty, and they're like, what
the hell, Like, we're here for dinner, and like nobody's
answering the door. And it was unusual because they did
dinner there before. They were planning to go there they
couldn't get in touch with either of them, so they
called the police and they were like, can you do
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a welfare check or something. The police came and were like,
we can't go in the house unless we get a warrant.
I guess I don't know where. Maybe not enough time
had passed between people not talking to them. So the
family breaks into the house and as the sister is
going through, she goes into the bedroom and finds her
brother laying on the bed and his wife dismembered on
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the bedroom floor. Yeah. How outrageous, right, And I can't
even imagine what that could have been. Like, I mean,
it kind of sucks that the cops couldn't go in,
but I guess there's rules that they can't. Just what
would be the there's no cause to go in, right,
just like it looks like nobody's home, so they can't
just break into someone's house. But her brother was here.
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Was diagnosed with fronto temporal dementia and that causes you
to have emotional changes. It's a rare type of dementia,
but it could cause people to become violent. There's cases
of like this that this person ended up killing his
wife and dismembering her, and there was no indication that
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they were even having relationship problems, and they said that
he was a pretty nice guy actually, So this is
just terrible that his brain was doing these things that
were causing him to carry out these actions. It could
cause people to have like weird social interactions and difficulty
making communication and stuff. Just a really terrible diagnosis for
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a person to get. And the whole thing is is
just I mean, just terrible. Yeah, I mean, I feel
like we've on this show, I've never talked about a
case of something like this with dementia. I feel like
it's typically schizophrenia related, right, Yeah, so that was surprising
to me that that wasn't the cast. And then I
was trying to look this up. So this happened two
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years ago, and I had read in this initial article
that the husband was arrested, and I was trying to
see what ended up happening to him, and it appears
he died two to three weeks after this. Yeah, he
had some kind of injuries. What did he die from
injuries or from complications from his dementia? All I could
find was his obituary, and it didn't really specify because
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you know. Yeah, some saris are like honest, like that dime. Yeah,
so no, It's it's interesting because they did say that
he had some injuries because and that happens commonly when
a person kills someone with a knife, that they're going
to get injured in the process because people are obviously
fighting off the assailant and trying to save their own life.
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So sometimes in that process that the person gets cut
with the knife, you know, So that makes total sense.
I don't know how bad his injuries were. I know
that he got hospitalized. They did. They said that they
were going to charge them, though. It's just interesting because
I wonder how that's handled because, like you were saying,
like if it was diagnosable schizophrenia, for example, that they
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would be considered not to be able to stand trial. Well,
so I'm just wondering in this particular case, if he
had full blown dimension they were able to prove that
these acts were carried out because of that, if he
would really go to jail for that, well, maybe they
have to buy protocol, arrest somebody at first, or detain
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them in some type of way until they get legitimate
proof that they have a psychological condition. Happening and then
they'll discharge into like a facility or something. Yeah. I
mean I know that we've talked to forensic psychiatrists before
and they said that it's kind of difficult to get
someone off for something like that, but in this case,
I feel, yeah, it would be valid. Yeah. I mean,
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they said he had been diagnosed two years before that
with the dementias, So I'm assuming the family had a
documented history, but you probably have to get all that
together before they could release somebody in that situation. So
there's another case of a Thanksgiving scuffle, I guess. So
in nineteen ninety one, this chick o, Mamon Nelson, she
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married this older guy. They were only married for about
a month before it turned deadly. Basically, she was saying
he kept actually assaulting her, and on Thanksgiving he has
actually assaulted her and she had it so then she
was just decided to start stabbing him with scissors and
then she finished him off with a clothing iron. And
she said, in a complete blind raid, she just started
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dismembering him because I don't know, she just wasn't with it. Well,
their relationship didn't start off great. I think she was
twenty three and he was like in his mid he
was fifty six, so, and they got married like two
days after they met. So like, I don't know what
was happened in their relationship, but clearly it was not
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good for her, and she did she did say that
she cut them up. And it's so this is like
the disturbing parts that she caught up his body parts
and mixed them with turkey leftovers and put them in
the in the trash to try to to try to
conceal what she had done. And she shoved multiple parts
of his body down the garbage disposal, to which neighbors
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confirmed that she was running it for quote hours, right,
And I guess if you live in a building close
to someone, you could hear it like that. So that
was crazy. But she boiled his hands to remove his fingerprints.
But the most the craziest thing is that she admitted
to a psychiatric that she quote did his ribs just
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like a restaurant and said, it is so sweet, it's delicious.
I like mind tender. So she cooked his ribs and
ate them. She also put his head in the freezer,
which they found later. She said she was figuring out
what to do with it. Oh, spit down the drain.
I suppose no, And imagine being the police officer that
has to go to the scene and finds his stuff. Yeah,
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I mean we talk about at least one story. Well
it's even the one we just talked about. Like, imagine
standing there and getting a phone call on Thanksgiving. So
all right, you're a first responder and you're already working
on the holiday, which sucks. You get a call that says, oh,
we were supposed to go here for Thanksgiving and nobody's here.
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And they show up and the house is all dark.
They're like holding side items and bottles of wine in
their hand, right, and just like, hey, could you check
And then it all of a sudden turns to the
sister finding her brother like that and her sister in
law like that. I mean, that's a lot for a
cop to see too, especially any person that's dismembered all
over the floor is disturbing as hell. And then this
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is like, yeah, doing this investigation. Imagine the psychiatrist talking
to this woman who's talking about eating a human's ribs.
I cannot imagine that. So so I understand that she
was mad and upset that she got sexually assaulted but
I think there was other things going on with her,
because I don't see the correlation of being sexually assaulted
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and then I could see killing someone because you don't
that's fine, but like cooking them and eating them is
that's like another level of crazy. Yeah, we have plenty
of cases where people were raped and ended up killing somebody,
but it's never quite escalated into then eating their remains.
What's really interesting is she went to jail after this,
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but she's actually eligible for parole in twenty twenty six, yeah,
which is soon, right. I wonder if I mean she did.
I would think if she talked to a psychiatrist and
was saying these things, there has to be some kind
of diagnosis with this, right, Like it's just an average
person just doesn't eat someone like this. What year did
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this happen? In ninety one? Yeah? It really just wasn't
that long ago. So she can get out in a
couple of years. And she's not even really that old.
So yeah, she was only twenty three. Yeah, so what
is she like in her fifties? I'm prep My math
is all over the place, so I can't just do
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it all this, folidd I assume, Yeah, I would assume
she's getting out in twenty twenty six. Let me do
the math. Oh my god, people are like these girls
are so dulle. I just I'm not a math in
my head person. I was also telling, you know, Lily
and like learning all this. Yeah, she'll be fifty when
she's eligible to get released, so so she might be
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on the dating market soon. Just imagine. I mean she
probably has a boyfriend, Like everyone in jail has relationships.
Apparently we didn't even cover this this week, but like
this story came out that lyleman Enda is like having
an affair in jail, and you were saying, how do
you even have an affair? And I'm like, they literally
get letters all the time. I was thinking about this
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actually after we talked about this, do you think like
when you're in jail and you meet someone, if you
just are like, oh, any person is paying attention to
me and wants to be a relationship with me, And
I'm kind like, you can't really date in a typical
way of like dating all these different women and finding
out which one you're a good fit with. And then
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once he found out that he was possibly going to
get out, he's just like, fuck this like, I have
my choice of any woman now, Like I don't. I
don't need to be with this lady anymore. Yeah, I don't.
I really don't know he I think he's already been
married two times. So and he was a teenager when
he went to jail, right, So it's this is like
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the only was in his early twenties. Okay, but he
had a girlfriend at the time that the parents were murdered.
But I don't think he had like an extensive dating history. Yeah,
did he marry that girl? No? Oh, okay, he married
He married like two women that were following the trial. Wow,
that's insane. So that's like a whole other subject. Just
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what was that show called that talked about people a
love after Laca? Yeah, Yeah, Well there's there's also there
was a new show last year called like prison wives
or something. I don't know. I didn't watch any of those,
but I think there's a psychological component for the woman
that they are. They typically have the history of dating cheaters,
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and then they think because the guys in prison that
they like can't cheat on them because they're in jail.
But they're not factoring in emotional affairs via letters calls. Yeah,
so I don't understand. Like I was kind of mind
blown when I found out that there was some kind
of Reddit group for people who like loved Brian Coburger
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and thought he was like hot, which is just like, Okay,
I don't know who you're looking at and thinking this
is hot, But you have this person that is strong.
There's a lot of strong evidence against him murdering for
people and stabbing them and butchering them to death. What's
attractive about that? I don't understand. Well, it was the
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same with that Wade Wilson guy that was convicted a
couple months ago. I mean there are still girls making
TikTok saying he's innocent, and it's like, just because a
person's like attractive doesn't mean that they didn't brutally murder somebody.
It's very weak. He's the one that was attractive and
then got all these weird tattoos on his face. Yeah yeah,
like that right, there is a sign of guilt. Is
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just that he has like some crazy shit on his face, right? Yeah,
Like it's not and it's not just like them in jail. Yeah,
but there isn't it like racist stuff and all this,
Like it's not just like, no, it's not just like
normal face tattoos. He has like a swastig on his face.
Yea horrible stuff. Like what's going You're like, something is
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clearly not right with that guy. Yeah, of course, but
there's you know, all these women like obsessed with him,
and it's very weird to me that you're not, Like,
I really want to talk to one of these people, honestly.
I just want to like look at someone in the
eye and just be like, explain this to me. Please.
Could you imagine like somebody at your work or someone
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in your family telling you that they that they had
some kind of crosser relationship with a person like this,
Like you just want to talk to them and say, like,
what's happening right now? But Eric Menendez has been with
his wife I think for thirty years like that. That
situation to me is a little bit different because I
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strongly believe that they're innocent, and if any anybody really
I mean, obviously I don't think they're innocent. I think
they murdered their parents for sure, but the background of
them having this abuse and stuff is pretty strong, and
I'm kind of like free pass on those things. It's
the same with like listen, Gypsy Rose situation. Most people
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are kind of putting her on People magazine and like
she's she's going to red carpet premieres and stuff, like
they're giving her a pass because of what she went through, Right'
It's the same thing with them. It's just a little
bit different with these other cases that you're like, and
there's there's not really much that you're going to be
able to say to me to prove that he didn't
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do this right, especially the coburger case. Yeah, I think
it's very interesting. He's just not he's not hot even
a little bit like people used to say Ted Bundy
was hot. You're like, no, unless there I don't want
to lid. There's a lid for every part I under
I understand that. But but there's also people in general
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think that Okay, most people will say, oh, Brad Pitt
is a handsome person, right, Like he's not really my
cup of tea. But I could look at him and say, okay,
I could see why he's an a technically handsome person, right,
So then people would say that about Ted Bundy, right,
And then I've heard the argument that people say, well,
back in the day he was considered handsome, And I'm like, no,
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fucking Elvis was considered handsome and he's still considered handsome
to Okay, Like I'm going to stand by that argument
and say, for regular person, he was considered seventies handsome,
but he's not my type. But I'm just saying, like
that's that's people don't didn't get more attractive. But if
thirty years or forty or fifty years later, like that's ridiculous.
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Regular people didn't didn't evolve and get hotter. There's plenty
of people that you could say were hot in the seventies,
you know what I mean, Like, it's the people are
getting hotter. It's no, No, that's absolutely they're getting hotter
with great enhancement. Yeah, but we're but dudes typically well
I know they do, but a lot of dudes don't
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do that. So you just have to think about, like
he wasn't hot. The only thing that you could say
was hot was that people are attracted to the fact
that he was a serial killer. I just don't I
just don't see it in the face. It's the same
with coburger. I just don't see it. And it's funny because, well,
the thing is is that apparently he was like an
in cell type right, Yeah, and like nobody thought he
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was hot before this happened. He wasn't like pounding it
left and right right, Like nobody was into that. And
now all of a sudden he's got like all these
girls into him because he killed some killed people. It's weird. Yeah,
I mean, I'm telling you the people obsessed with him
are in part because I'm sure some of them think
he's attractive, but you know, a lot of it has
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to do with what he did, which is scarier to
think about that some people are okay with that and
attracted to people that have murdered other people. Yeah, so
I don't know, and it's not that I guess. That's
the scary part about these Reddit groups and just the
on online in general, is that you're always gonna have
some some sick fuck out there that thinks a certain way.
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But now you have these communities where all of these
people could get together and share all their sick ideas
and like feed off of each other and this, Listen,
this could be a really positive thing. Like when you
have the Walmart Nutcracker group on Facebook, every face posting
that makes me want to get one now actually, but
everyone's posting these blank nutcrackers that you could buy that
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are like six foot tall at Walmart and there's like
groups for them on Facebook, right, And you're like, that's
a good example of a community with a weird niche
that gets together and it's like, hey, look how I
painted my nutcracker and stuff totally innocent. But then you
have these people that are like, hey, isn't it hot
that that guy like file at that girl open? Oh yeah,
this is so hot. Like then that shit's weird. Yeah,
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But like this is this is like where we're gonna
start seeing. You know, the internet's been around for what
like three decades approximately right now, so we're gonna really
start seeing the dangers of it when things like this
start coming out more and more over time. I guess
you could kind of say the grocroom is somewhere in
between these two things, because it is kind of you're
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looking at things that are really sick and twisted, but
at the same time you're you're learning about them and
trying to hopefully people are learning about them and trying
to make their lives better and not other things. Right,
you can't even say the grocerm is the same thing.
They're not people like actively having discussions of the public
forum being like this is sexy, like you know what
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I mean. No, but it's people in an active forum
that are like, oh, this is the craziest accident I've
ever seen. This is the craziest murder I've ever seen.
I've never seen such a gruesome murder. It's like people
getting together to talk about the worst things that could
happen to humans, basically, but it is it is interesting,
and it's like the whole true crime thing, like why
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are women so interested in true crime? And it's just like,
well number one because our maybe our lives aren't that exciting.
And like, I don't know if this has happened at
crime con before, but I think they should because it's
ninety nine percent women. Do a lecture on the psychological
like component of women being attracted the serial killers. Yeah, no,
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nobody has to do it. I don't know, maybe they've
done it before. I know, I'm just trying to think
of like who to even recommend that too, And really
they could even talk about the fascination with true crime
and the women. And it is interesting because when we
went there, the first, Like, you know, I had Gabe
walk around with me at first, just so we could
like check out the convention and stuff, and he was
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just like, Yo, there's like all women here. This is insane.
He's just like look around, there's like a random husband
with the wife or something, but like this is like
a whole chick thing. He's like, why is that? He
kind of was like mind blown by that a little bit. Well,
there you have, like you want to think that a
majority of the women are attracted to like the police
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officers and the lawyers. Joe. The line of of women
that are lined up for him is hilarious. Your mother face, Yes,
my mom is Yeah, this is like my mom is
like the prime person that will go there and stand
in line for three hours just to like be like
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they send to you all the time. And then the
women following that Murphy like he's the Beatles right, Like,
so you have all that and that happened. I told
him that when I interviewed him, I was just like
I looked over and saw all these women like fan
growing following some dude, and it ended up being you
like that's it was just like it's just like hilarious.
Why don't we move on to the rest of it
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so we could talk. We could talk about serial killers
and people being in love with them forever and kind justice. Yeah,
and we need to talk about eating injuries because you know,
lots of people eat tomorrow so or Thanksgiving. All right,
So I guess a big risk with eating turkeys and
stuff is that you could potentially eat parts of the
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bones if they're not cut properly. And that happened to
this one guy in this one key's so like over
ten years ago, this guy in Australia. I don't even
think this is Thanksgiving related, but it's wishbone related. So
who eats turkey that's not on Thanksgiving? I know people eat,
like launch eat turkey and stuff, but like, does do
people cook a turkey on any other day besides Thanksgiving
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and maybe Christmas time? Yes? My stepmother in law cooks
turkey breast like on a regular day. Okay, I've never well,
I cook ground turkey a lot, but not like yeah,
I guess instead of like yeah, I know. Anyway, Sorry, anyway,
this guy sits down and he's playing video games and
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he's eating leftovers and swallows part of a wish bone
that was in the leftovers, which how does that happen
in general? Are you? I don't know. But he knew
that he swallowed it. He knew he swallowed it, but
he was hoping it would just pass. Yeah, So this
is the biggest thing I want to tell you, guys.
If you ever swallow something that's considered to be a
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foreign body like a bone, go to the hospital really
and don't risk trying to pass it because especially if
it even if it's not broken, it could perforate your
bow wall and it could really cause you to die.
And you should always just go to the hospital right away, honestly. Like,
if this guy went to the hospital right away and
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got an endoscopy really fast, they would have been able
to just remove it and end of story. And instead
it turned into hell for this guy. Yeah. I mean,
so basically he's just like waiting this time for it
to pass. It doesn't pass. Two days later, he starts
having indigestion, chest tightenness, shortness of breath, and then he
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sort of pain in his anus. The worst part of
this is really how he got treated at the hospital.
Like I was reading this and I just couldn't believe
that this is actually what really happened, Like he went
to the hospital and he told them that he ingested
accidentally a wishbone and said he was having pain in
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his anus. And the first thing the people at the
hospital should have done was give him imaging and find out,
like where is this thing and what's happening, And instead
they sent him home with hemorrhoid cream. Okay, even make
Eddie's say, I understand that you could have anal pain
from hemorrhoids, but like the foreign body in the GI
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track is a concern no matter what, even if he
wasn't even saying he had anal pain, like, check that
shit out. So they didn't do it. And then when
he went back, he ended up having the wishbone had
perforated through his rectum and caused an absess, which is
a collection of plus essentially around the bow, and that's
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what was causing his pain. And furthermore, he became septic
from that, which means that the bacteria got into his
bloodstream and spread to his organs. And he went to
the ICU and everything, and he woke up and he
was paralyzed from the waist down because of that, or
from the neck down actually because that's sorry. Yeah, and
he had to live in a reheb for four years
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before he could go home. I don't know if he
did it, say, if he ended up and walking again
or that was Yeah, he had something called critical illness neuropathy,
which is something that people can get after they have
a serious illness, especially like sepsis, that could cause them
to become temporarily paralyzed. I'm glad that he ended up
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suing the hospital, honestly, because this could have been caught
multiple times before it became a problem for him, you
know what I mean. And I have another story actually
of a woman who swallowed a wishbone but didn't know
she swallowed a wishbone, and she went to the hospital
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because there was something hard protruding from her anus. She
had a history of constipation, and when they did imaging
on her, they saw that she had this V shaped
foreign bodies stuck in her rectum right near her anus,
and when they removed it, it was a wishbone and
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she like literally had no idea that she even ate it.
I don't understand how it's ending up in it. I do,
because when you when you eat, there's been multiple times
that you're eating like a like a chicken, like a drumstick,
for example, you could bite off a piece of a
bone pretty easily, especially the smaller bones, and you could
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just get it in your mouth like it's it's not
it's not uncommon for that to happen because their bones
aren't they're just like they're not always super hard like
you would like you would think. And actually a wishbone
is the xyphoid process, which is your you know, the
bottom of your sternum kind of, and sometimes that could
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be like cartinolaginous or like cartilagic. You could bite through
it with your teeth. It's not what you would think
of as a super hard bone sometimes, and depending on
how old the turkey your chicken is depends on how
hard it would be. So I think it's it's totally
possible if you're just like have it in your hands
and you're like chewing it like that, that you could
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get a bone in your mouth easily and not know it.
But if you do know it, especially like the biggest
one that I always saw working in surgical pathology with dishbones,
because they're so they're so small and they're pointy, they're
almost like little needles that you're swallowing, and so many
people had problems with them, and it's like if you
chew one and by accident you think you swallowed it,
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like you really should just get checked out. Yeah, well,
I guess it's just like you gotta really watch when
you're carving the meat and making sure you're not getting
it in because anybody can have this issue. But they're
saying most people, most of the time people that have
the issues are children elderly people. So speaking of children,
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there was another case in which where this mother and
her child were at Golden Corral restaurant on Thanksgiving and
eating and the kids started choking on mashed potatoes and then,
thank god, somebody in the restaurant knew how to do
the Heimlich maneuver and was able to do it quickly
and save the kid. Yeah. So choking is most common
in kids, little kids, and then adults. So when you
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get older and you're just losing your reflexes and stuff
like that. And I've told the story on here about
when somebody used it on my sister, right, I don't remember. Well,
So what this doctor Heimlich discovered in the seventies is
that if you're choking, there's still some leftover air in
your lungs, So if you squeeze a person right underneath
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their ribs, you can help expeuse some of that air
that's in their lungs and push a foreign body out
of the throat if it's stuck. Right. So that's it
and catch on for a while, because obviously when anybody
brings up a new medical idea, there's always people like
saying it's not a good idea for years until they
realize that it is a good idea. Typically before that,
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you would just like slap someone on the back, which
is what you would still do now if you have
a person that's like unconscious or a baby or somebody.
Really the first thing you should do is if you
see that someone's choking and you talk to them and
you say, like, are you choking? And they're not able
to talk as the first sign, because typically you would think,
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like when they show you in the movies and stuff,
like when someone's choking, it's like they're making all this
noise and stuff, and it's just like, no, no noise
is coming out because the item is blocked over top
of the voice box, So there's no way that any
sound could come out because no air could come out right,
and you should really ask them, like, hey, can you
try to cough? Because sometimes if they can cough, like
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could dislodge it, but if not, you should really do
this heimlick on them. And this happened to my sister.
We were at the softball field when we were little kids.
And you know, it's like I was thinking about this
when I was reading this because the doctor Heimlich had
said this in the seventies and it didn't really catch
on for ten whole years. So that brings you to
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the early eighties. And this happened probably in like the
late eighties. So this mom that knew about doing this
was kind of on top of her shit, especially before
the Internet and all this stuff, Like you got to
think about that. And my sister was eating this piece
of candy that was like a lifesaver, but it had
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it had this center in it that had a whistle
in it, and you put the life saver thing in
between your lips and you were supposed to blow out
air and it made like a whistle sound. Well, she
put it between her lips and she sucked in. For
whatever reason. She was young, she was like seven or something.
She was little. She sucked it in and it went
in her throat, and this mom who was walking with
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us just happened to notice that she wasn't breathing and
gave her the heimlick and like got it out of her.
And it's just like, that's how fast it could happen
to people, you know what I mean. And I think
since then that that piece of candy is recalled, or
at least it's not sold in America anymore, although I
feel like I googled it fairly recently and solid on Amazon,
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but it's not sold like it was anyway. But but yeah,
that it works. It saves lives all the time, you know,
and it's it's it's just a way to especially if
it's happening to you, like if you're home alone or something.
You could do it on yourself by just making a
fist and going underneath of your ribs and just pushing
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as hard as you can. But you also could just
basically jam your your body, your abdomen right below your
ribs into like a piece of furniture to push something out.
Like God, but I gave even imagine avid adies of
the like that well, the thing is is that you
don't you want it to be like a last resort
because you could hurt some money, you could break the
rib or you could even like perforate one of their bows, right,
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so you want to make sure that when you're doing
it it's legit. But even if you do, if someone's
legit choking and you save them, even if you do
break their rib, like who cares, Like that could be fixed.
Even a perforated bowel can be fixed. Like if someone chokes,
they'll die. So you just look at it that way,
So the risk is kind of worth it if if
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it's necessary. Well, on that note, I hope you guys
got some good some good stories to talk about it
the dinner, you know what. So there's like this, I
don't I don't want to say anything about a brand
name or anything because I I don't even know if
it works. But I've seen commercials for some tool that
there is that you could have at your house and
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like stick it in someone's mouth and like suck something
out of their mouth or something when I know when
they're choking. I don't know, like like if it probably
works and it's probably awesome, but just it's just like
a weird thing, And I feel like if I had
one in my house, I'd be like, where is it?
Like it's in a drawer somewhere, and like ripping it
out of like ten thousand drawers or whatever. But I
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guess you could keep it like near the fire extinguisher
or whatever. I feel like you would just never, like,
if you had it at your house, you would choke
in a restaurant. If you had it in your purse,
it would be in the car when you choke it.
I don't know if you can carry it in your
purse because it's kind of big. Oh really, I think
it's I don't think it's like a little thing, Like
it wouldn't fit in my purse for sure. Maybe those
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fond to us so we could try it out. Yeah,
do you want to practice on that? No? All right, Well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great Thanksgiving. Let us know if you share any of
these stories you heard at dinner and how your family
received it. Let us know if you ampu sate one
of your fingers, or if you kill someone and eat
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their ribs, or what else did we talk about? Tell
you that? But but but if you do, we want
to know about it. Yeah, So we will see you
guys next week with some more news stories. Have a
great holiday weekend. So yeah, thank you for listening to
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have a special Thanksgiving
episode for you today, talking about the most common things
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that we would see at Thanksgiving time that have to
do with of course eating and also relationship disputes. So
let's get into Let's get into cooking injuries at first.
All right, yeah, let's start off with a bunch of
cooking injuries. This is going to be, you know, the
most common thing we see this time of year. So first,
let's start off talking about a pressure cooker. This is
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something that the both of us heavily use a lot.
I mean I feel like I use it for almost
every single dinner. Really, you use it that often? Yeah,
I really cook so much there. I use it sometimes.
I think it's really cool. I just started using it
when you told me to get it, actually a couple
of years ago, and it is. It is really awesome.
But what happens is with for those of you who've
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never used a pressure cooker, it just you put your
food in there and it cooks it and it accelerates
the boiling point basically to cook your food faster than
it normally could on a stove, but when it's under
pressure like that, it can be a serious safety hazard.
So even if you've bought one of these modern instapots
at you know, Target or whatever, there's one thousand warning
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labels all over it, and you know, the history of
them kind of can scare the shit out of you
if you really know what could happen like it did
in this particular case we have in the gross room. Yeah.
I mean there used to be I feel like a
lot of issues with it when they first were like
popping off, and you know, I guess they started coming
out in what the seventies, probably in the eighties, but
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they were having a lot of problems, and then all
of a sudden, the insta pot comes out and like
it's this like new modern machine for millennials, Right. I
think they came back because they put all these crazy
safety mechanisms on it to prevent them from blowing off,
but they still tell you that there's a possibility of
doing it. Yeah. So in this case, this woman was
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in her thirties, she was using the instapot. I guess
she was, or I don't know, was the fancy pot
specific or just a pressure cooker. It just said a
pressure cooker. Okay, So she's using a pressure cooker and
she's standing in front of it, and all of a sudden,
the lid blows off of it. The thing tips over.
If you've ever used one of these things, they caused
this crazy amount of steam that comes out. Again, there's
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a million warnings all over these things that are like,
don't stand near when it's releasing steam. Obviously, she didn't
know the lid was gonna blow off of it, so
it tips over, and then it's like pushing all of
that excess steam and boiling hot liquid onto her and
she immediately, you know, her partner tried to get her
in a cold shower as quickly as pot. They brought
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her to urgent care, but she had really bad burns
from this. Yeah, she had second degree burns over a
large percentage of her body from both the steam and
the liquid hot boiling fluid that was in the pressure cooker.
So just we're just telling you, like we use them
all the time, but just be careful with them because
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they could really hurt you. And like, think about this.
The Boston Marathon bombers used pressure cookers to really shrapnel,
so it's like they have the potential to really harm you,
so you just have to follow. Think if you follow
the directions and stuff, you're gonna be cool. Yeah. I
think the thing is like you want to buy a
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good brand that has a good reputation of not a
lot of incidents happening, and you know there's labels all
over it that are like, when it's pressure cooking, do
not try to force the lid off for a good reason.
I don't know what happened in this case, if it
was a vaulty machine or it wasn't being used, but
we obviously don't want to end up in situations like
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this because they're horrible and these things get really hot.
One of my theories in medicine in general, and this
is just with medical devices as well as just everyday
things that people use that get they get injured by
I think that they're way under reported. So for example,
if this lady went to urgent care and said I
got burned and it wasn't her fault, it didn't seem
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like it was her fault or whatever it was, it
still should get reported to the company. Right, What are
the chances that they're getting the exact name brand of
whatever she was using and sending this report to the
company that she got injured by it, Like this probably
happens all the time. I say the same thing about
like iud's and stuff, all these things that I've seen
people having injuries from all the time, and I'm just like,
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I wonder how many of these are actually reported to
the companies as complications from a medical issue or from
a product that was dysfunctioning. Yeah, I don't know. I
would assume also because of like you know, the holidays
and getting bombarded with a bunch of injuries. And I'm
assuming that most hospitals are understaffed on holidays because a
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lot of regular personnel take off that they're not really
worried about making sure the company is getting the report
if something happens. But I've never been on that end
of it like we have gotten. I know for a
fact that we used to report certain breast and plants
that would rupture or something like that. We had reporting
systems to put in, but that was only if they
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told us of a specific case. There was also these
devices they used to use back in the day for
birth control called ashore, which was they put these coils
into fallopian tubes and took it was to cause scarring,
so then you in theory you couldn't get pregnant. And
people were just having all sorts of complications with them.
So we would get them sent down to the lab
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and they would tell us like, hey, this is a lawsuitcase.
Make sure that you really work this one up and
take lots of pictures and stuff. But just on average
everyday case is that wasn't always the case. Yeah, that's
really interesting. I never thought about that, like when people
have to sue the companies. What happens on your guys
end with that? Oh, yeah, it was. It was pretty
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cool actually, Like we would get a uterus from the
surgery and we we had to do it when we
got the information from the lawyer's office. They gave us
very specific instructions how to cut the uterus, and it
was really crazy because it was not anywhere near the
normal way that we would cut it. And then we
had to submit all these different sections and put it
in all these different put this one in formally, make
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a paraffin block of this one, all this stuff, just
because it was a lawsuit, and that was the most
common one that I saw in surgical pathology was from
those assured devices, all right. And while I could get
burned by something like a pressure cooker any day, more
specifically to Thanksgiving is deep friers for turkeys. Yeah, they
cause a lot of issues, so they became popular. They
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haven't been used forever in this country, obviously, but they
became really popular probably when Martha Stewart put it on
the front cover of her magazine back in the nineties. Well,
let's not blame Martha for this. I'm not blaming Martha.
I've never had it, and I want to have it
so bad. One of the firemen makes it, and I'm
going to try to go there on Thanksgiving one day
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just to get to taste it because I heard it's amazing.
I'm not blaming her. I'm just saying that a lot
of people might have became a hip to it because
of Martha Stewart. You're gonna leave the five star meal
at my house to try to get a deep fried tar, Yeah,
I am, because it's sad. I heard it's delicious. So yeah.
It seems like in the eighties this started, you know,
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first happening when they were converting like crawfish boilers into
these turkey deep friars. And then of course this is
really appealing to a lot of people, especially Americans, because
you know, we all love best fried food over here,
so a lot of people do this. But I think
the problem is a lot of people don't know what
they're doing. They're leaving these things unsupervised. They're like making
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them way too hot, They're putting them really close to
their house. They're overall just this general fire hazard. They're
not wearing the correct clothing to be near it. Well,
I think the biggest thing that people don't realize is
that you can't stick a frozen turkey inside of it
because that extra moisture just makes the oil boil over
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more and just cause a potential issue. And we have
a story, actually a news story of a person like Luckily.
So what happened was they had the turkey fire that
was heated by propane and the oil, you know, because
they weren't cooking it properly or monitoring it, the oil
spilled over onto the pro pain tank, which then exploded. Luckily,
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no one in the house got hurt, but it did
set their house on fire, which is which is terrible. Well,
what I want to say about that story is that
this happened at one o'clock in the morning, which I
do think a lot of people. Well, I don't know
why you would be deep frying a turkey overnight, because
I think the point of frying it is that it
cooks so quickly. Whereas you know, my husband sometimes will
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like smoke something overnight, but he won't go to bed,
like he'll just stay up all night long and watch
it all night. But I think people just stick stuff
in the smoker or whatever and then just like go
to bed and then hope it's done in the morning,
which is so unsafe. But I don't know why this
guy was deep frying at one o'clock in the morning,
but basically wanted a snack. Was it actually for Thanksgiving
dinner or he was just it was just like a
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random Tuesday, you know. No, I think it was around Thanksgiving.
I think it was Thanksgiving week, So I don't know
what he was doing cooking in the middle of the night.
But he set it all up, got it going, and
then went inside and fell asleep. And then when it's unsupervised,
this accident could have easily happened if he was standing there.
But you might have like a fire extinguisher right next
to it and be able to put it out before
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it blows all the windows out of the back of
your house. It sets the back of your house on fire.
So well, they estimate that there are sick study injuries
a year because of deep fried turkeys and five deaths
a year because of it. So, I mean, just got it.
We know is linked to Yeah, like you just gotta
you gotta be careful with that. But you know what,
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I was just thinking. You know those delicious turkey legs
that they have in Disney World, Yeah, are they deep
fried or what? Like? How are they? No, They're probably
smoked because they have a special taste to them. I
don't know. They are crispy. They're crispy, and they're like's
so greasy where you technically like the leg is dark meat,
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so it's going to be you know what I mean,
that meat seems to just have like a greasier feel
to it. I guess I don't. I wouldn't. I know,
you're not a dark person, I am. Yeah, I don't
really like the turkey legs that much, but I know
that's if it really is. Yeah, you know, I've thought
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about this a lot. I really like the skin of
turkey and like the thick like white meat parts, but like,
I'm not a huge like I eat chicken, but I
don't really like it that much. Does that make sense
if it has that gross chicken eat taste too? No,
I know, I feel the same exact way. I feel
like you have to eat chicken just because it's it's
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like the healthiest lean protein, but it is. I think
it's gross. And it's the same with Thanksgiving, Like I
might have a tiny little piece of turkey, but really
all I want is decides you know. Well, yeah, so
like I always have it, and I think the skin
and the piece. I think the piece I eat taste good,
but I don't ever want like a giant chunk of it.
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My husband also makes a ham, which personally, I think
is like the best thing in the world. I would
just eat the ham, I think that's yeah, I'm looking
forward to the ham the most. Honestly, too, I feel like,
over any meat, I prefer pork over every single meat. Honestly,
a turkey is just big chicken to be just like
really a big leski. I don't know, and I don't
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know why all of a sudden in the last ten years,
they've like Turkey's just freely roam our area. We I
feel like we never saw them growing up just walking
around that day, never, never once, And now there's like
straight up Thanksgiving turkeys like walking around on my street.
It's so weird. They're just there and their thingies. What
is that thing that hangs off their gizzard thing or
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that's it. I don't think that's their gizzard. I don't know,
but that gross things. I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
it's just like I can't it's just really they're just
nasty looking and obviously they freely roam like the land
before because obviously people were hunting them, and that's like
the establishment of their Thanksgiving meal. It's just weird that
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for so for twenty years of my life, I never
saw one just wandering on a suburban street. And now
they're just everywhere anywhere you go. It's so bizarre. I don't, well,
so you're gonna find this hilarious. So I say to Gabela, like, hey,
have you ever gone to any fires for a deep turkey?
And he said, yeah, my firehouse. And then I'm like,
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you know what, I don't even want to know, but
you know what, the most common injuries that er doctors
are seeing are from knives and people cutting themselves by accident. Well,
that doesn't surprise me because I think a lot of
people are drinking when they're cooking or preparing extens Yeah,
that's probably the biggest thing. Also, I think a lot
of people that don't normally cook are trying to take
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this opportunity to learn how to cook, and they're just
doing things they don't know how to do. They're not
educated with it. I think a lot of things that
this is what I learned, because believe it or not,
you would say working in anatomic pathology is kind of
the most similar job you could have to cooking without cooking,
because you're literally cutting meat all day. And I think
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one of a misnomer that people have, especially students that
I've seen, is that they think they're like kind of
frightened by really sharp knives. Which really sharp knives are
the best knives to use because you have to put
minimal effort in with your hand and the blade does
the cutting right. Yeah, if you have a knife that's
dull and you're pushing really hard to cut through the meat,
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that's where you're gonna have the most chance of like
slipping because meat has fat in it and you're you're
talking about the turkey legs being greasy and if the
blade will slip right off of it and it'll hurt
you really bad. So I think people buy knives. I
I might have been guilty of this prior to being
a PA, but when I buy I bought knives maybe
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two years ago when I redid my kitchen, and I
sharpen them like every week. I sharpen them because I
want them to be as sharp as possible when I
cut things. So I don't know if people do that,
but you should because that's the safest thing to do,
is just to have a really sharp blade, and it's easy.
It's easy to do. Or you get that old school
electric one like we have, and that one's awesome. That's
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not old school old school is the non electric one,
like electric is like new school. But yeah, that that
electric one is like an eighties thing. It's just that
you're talking about the electric knife. I thought you met
the sharpener. No, I'm talking about like the like Clark
Griswold stuff. I got that for you guys. Actually, because
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a lot of people I remember just being a kid
in the eighties and that was the thing happening, an
electric knife, and you were laughing about it. And then
I got it for Ricky and he thinks it's awesome. No,
I mean, all our friends make fun of us for it,
but it's really the best thing ever. I mean, you'd
use it to cut me. It's we use it to
cut the sour dough because the sour dough is pretty
hard to cut through sometimes. Yeah, it cuts that really nice.
So you can really use it for anything. Yeah, No,
(15:40):
I was talking about just like sharpening the blades, because
they sell electric knife sharpeners, but they're kind of expensive.
You could just use the old school stone to do it,
and most knives come with the sharpening tool, so it's
definitely something you should do. This episode is brought to
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(16:27):
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(16:51):
holiday murders. Oh my god. Yeah, these are all family related.
So in New Mexico, this family was headed over to
a loved one's house for they were saying throughout the day,
everything seemed like it was going normal. A husband and
wife was hosting the dinner. The wife had been texting
via a group chat with her family talking about her
plans for the day. So later in the day, the
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husband's family gets to the house and they're, you know,
knocking on the door. Nobody's answering. They're looking through the
windows and the house seems empty, and they're like, what
the hell, Like, we're here for dinner, and like nobody's
answering the door. And it was unusual because they did
dinner there before. They were planning to go there they
couldn't get in touch with either of them, so they
called the police and they were like, can you do
(17:34):
a welfare check or something. The police came and were like,
we can't go in the house unless we get a warrant.
I guess I don't know where. Maybe not enough time
had passed between people not talking to them. So the
family breaks into the house and as the sister is
going through, she goes into the bedroom and finds her
brother laying on the bed and his wife dismembered on
(17:56):
the bedroom floor. Yeah. How outrageous, right, And I can't
even imagine what that could have been. Like, I mean,
it kind of sucks that the cops couldn't go in,
but I guess there's rules that they can't. Just what
would be the there's no cause to go in, right,
just like it looks like nobody's home, so they can't
just break into someone's house. But her brother was here.
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Was diagnosed with fronto temporal dementia and that causes you
to have emotional changes. It's a rare type of dementia,
but it could cause people to become violent. There's cases
of like this that this person ended up killing his
wife and dismembering her, and there was no indication that
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they were even having relationship problems, and they said that
he was a pretty nice guy actually, So this is
just terrible that his brain was doing these things that
were causing him to carry out these actions. It could
cause people to have like weird social interactions and difficulty
making communication and stuff. Just a really terrible diagnosis for
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a person to get. And the whole thing is is
just I mean, just terrible. Yeah, I mean, I feel
like we've on this show, I've never talked about a
case of something like this with dementia. I feel like
it's typically schizophrenia related, right, Yeah, so that was surprising
to me that that wasn't the cast. And then I
was trying to look this up. So this happened two
(19:24):
years ago, and I had read in this initial article
that the husband was arrested, and I was trying to
see what ended up happening to him, and it appears
he died two to three weeks after this. Yeah, he
had some kind of injuries. What did he die from
injuries or from complications from his dementia? All I could
find was his obituary, and it didn't really specify because
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you know. Yeah, some saris are like honest, like that dime. Yeah,
so no, It's it's interesting because they did say that
he had some injuries because and that happens commonly when
a person kills someone with a knife, that they're going
to get injured in the process because people are obviously
fighting off the assailant and trying to save their own life.
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So sometimes in that process that the person gets cut
with the knife, you know, So that makes total sense.
I don't know how bad his injuries were. I know
that he got hospitalized. They did. They said that they
were going to charge them, though. It's just interesting because
I wonder how that's handled because, like you were saying,
like if it was diagnosable schizophrenia, for example, that they
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would be considered not to be able to stand trial. Well,
so I'm just wondering in this particular case, if he
had full blown dimension they were able to prove that
these acts were carried out because of that, if he
would really go to jail for that, well, maybe they
have to buy protocol, arrest somebody at first, or detain
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them in some type of way until they get legitimate
proof that they have a psychological condition. Happening and then
they'll discharge into like a facility or something. Yeah. I
mean I know that we've talked to forensic psychiatrists before
and they said that it's kind of difficult to get
someone off for something like that, but in this case,
I feel, yeah, it would be valid. Yeah. I mean,
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they said he had been diagnosed two years before that
with the dementias, So I'm assuming the family had a
documented history, but you probably have to get all that
together before they could release somebody in that situation. So
there's another case of a Thanksgiving scuffle, I guess. So
in nineteen ninety one, this chick o, Mamon Nelson, she
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married this older guy. They were only married for about
a month before it turned deadly. Basically, she was saying
he kept actually assaulting her, and on Thanksgiving he has
actually assaulted her and she had it so then she
was just decided to start stabbing him with scissors and
then she finished him off with a clothing iron. And
she said, in a complete blind raid, she just started
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dismembering him because I don't know, she just wasn't with it. Well,
their relationship didn't start off great. I think she was
twenty three and he was like in his mid he
was fifty six, so, and they got married like two
days after they met. So like, I don't know what
was happened in their relationship, but clearly it was not
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good for her, and she did she did say that
she cut them up. And it's so this is like
the disturbing parts that she caught up his body parts
and mixed them with turkey leftovers and put them in
the in the trash to try to to try to
conceal what she had done. And she shoved multiple parts
of his body down the garbage disposal, to which neighbors
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confirmed that she was running it for quote hours, right,
And I guess if you live in a building close
to someone, you could hear it like that. So that
was crazy. But she boiled his hands to remove his fingerprints.
But the most the craziest thing is that she admitted
to a psychiatric that she quote did his ribs just
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like a restaurant and said, it is so sweet, it's delicious.
I like mind tender. So she cooked his ribs and
ate them. She also put his head in the freezer,
which they found later. She said she was figuring out
what to do with it. Oh, spit down the drain.
I suppose no, And imagine being the police officer that
has to go to the scene and finds his stuff. Yeah,
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I mean we talk about at least one story. Well
it's even the one we just talked about. Like, imagine
standing there and getting a phone call on Thanksgiving. So
all right, you're a first responder and you're already working
on the holiday, which sucks. You get a call that says, oh,
we were supposed to go here for Thanksgiving and nobody's here.
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And they show up and the house is all dark.
They're like holding side items and bottles of wine in
their hand, right, and just like, hey, could you check
And then it all of a sudden turns to the
sister finding her brother like that and her sister in
law like that. I mean, that's a lot for a
cop to see too, especially any person that's dismembered all
over the floor is disturbing as hell. And then this
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is like, yeah, doing this investigation. Imagine the psychiatrist talking
to this woman who's talking about eating a human's ribs.
I cannot imagine that. So so I understand that she
was mad and upset that she got sexually assaulted but
I think there was other things going on with her,
because I don't see the correlation of being sexually assaulted
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and then I could see killing someone because you don't
that's fine, but like cooking them and eating them is
that's like another level of crazy. Yeah, we have plenty
of cases where people were raped and ended up killing somebody,
but it's never quite escalated into then eating their remains.
What's really interesting is she went to jail after this,
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but she's actually eligible for parole in twenty twenty six, yeah,
which is soon, right. I wonder if I mean she did.
I would think if she talked to a psychiatrist and
was saying these things, there has to be some kind
of diagnosis with this, right, Like it's just an average
person just doesn't eat someone like this. What year did
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this happen? In ninety one? Yeah? It really just wasn't
that long ago. So she can get out in a
couple of years. And she's not even really that old.
So yeah, she was only twenty three. Yeah, so what
is she like in her fifties? I'm prep My math
is all over the place, so I can't just do
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it all this, folidd I assume, Yeah, I would assume
she's getting out in twenty twenty six. Let me do
the math. Oh my god, people are like these girls
are so dulle. I just I'm not a math in
my head person. I was also telling, you know, Lily
and like learning all this. Yeah, she'll be fifty when
she's eligible to get released, so so she might be
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on the dating market soon. Just imagine. I mean she
probably has a boyfriend, Like everyone in jail has relationships.
Apparently we didn't even cover this this week, but like
this story came out that lyleman Enda is like having
an affair in jail, and you were saying, how do
you even have an affair? And I'm like, they literally
get letters all the time. I was thinking about this
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actually after we talked about this, do you think like
when you're in jail and you meet someone, if you
just are like, oh, any person is paying attention to
me and wants to be a relationship with me, And
I'm kind like, you can't really date in a typical
way of like dating all these different women and finding
out which one you're a good fit with. And then
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once he found out that he was possibly going to
get out, he's just like, fuck this like, I have
my choice of any woman now, Like I don't. I
don't need to be with this lady anymore. Yeah, I don't.
I really don't know he I think he's already been
married two times. So and he was a teenager when
he went to jail, right, So it's this is like
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the only was in his early twenties. Okay, but he
had a girlfriend at the time that the parents were murdered.
But I don't think he had like an extensive dating history. Yeah,
did he marry that girl? No? Oh, okay, he married
He married like two women that were following the trial. Wow,
that's insane. So that's like a whole other subject. Just
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what was that show called that talked about people a
love after Laca? Yeah, Yeah, Well there's there's also there
was a new show last year called like prison wives
or something. I don't know. I didn't watch any of those,
but I think there's a psychological component for the woman
that they are. They typically have the history of dating cheaters,
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and then they think because the guys in prison that
they like can't cheat on them because they're in jail.
But they're not factoring in emotional affairs via letters calls. Yeah,
so I don't understand. Like I was kind of mind
blown when I found out that there was some kind
of Reddit group for people who like loved Brian Coburger
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and thought he was like hot, which is just like, Okay,
I don't know who you're looking at and thinking this
is hot, But you have this person that is strong.
There's a lot of strong evidence against him murdering for
people and stabbing them and butchering them to death. What's
attractive about that? I don't understand. Well, it was the
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same with that Wade Wilson guy that was convicted a
couple months ago. I mean there are still girls making
TikTok saying he's innocent, and it's like, just because a
person's like attractive doesn't mean that they didn't brutally murder somebody.
It's very weak. He's the one that was attractive and
then got all these weird tattoos on his face. Yeah yeah,
like that right, there is a sign of guilt. Is
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just that he has like some crazy shit on his face, right? Yeah,
Like it's not and it's not just like them in jail. Yeah,
but there isn't it like racist stuff and all this,
Like it's not just like, no, it's not just like
normal face tattoos. He has like a swastig on his face.
Yea horrible stuff. Like what's going You're like, something is
(29:15):
clearly not right with that guy. Yeah, of course, but
there's you know, all these women like obsessed with him,
and it's very weird to me that you're not, Like,
I really want to talk to one of these people, honestly.
I just want to like look at someone in the
eye and just be like, explain this to me. Please.
Could you imagine like somebody at your work or someone
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in your family telling you that they that they had
some kind of crosser relationship with a person like this,
Like you just want to talk to them and say, like,
what's happening right now? But Eric Menendez has been with
his wife I think for thirty years like that. That
situation to me is a little bit different because I
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strongly believe that they're innocent, and if any anybody really
I mean, obviously I don't think they're innocent. I think
they murdered their parents for sure, but the background of
them having this abuse and stuff is pretty strong, and
I'm kind of like free pass on those things. It's
the same with like listen, Gypsy Rose situation. Most people
(30:19):
are kind of putting her on People magazine and like
she's she's going to red carpet premieres and stuff, like
they're giving her a pass because of what she went through, Right'
It's the same thing with them. It's just a little
bit different with these other cases that you're like, and
there's there's not really much that you're going to be
able to say to me to prove that he didn't
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do this right, especially the coburger case. Yeah, I think
it's very interesting. He's just not he's not hot even
a little bit like people used to say Ted Bundy
was hot. You're like, no, unless there I don't want
to lid. There's a lid for every part I under
I understand that. But but there's also people in general
(31:01):
think that Okay, most people will say, oh, Brad Pitt
is a handsome person, right, Like he's not really my
cup of tea. But I could look at him and say, okay,
I could see why he's an a technically handsome person, right,
So then people would say that about Ted Bundy, right,
And then I've heard the argument that people say, well,
back in the day he was considered handsome, And I'm like, no,
(31:24):
fucking Elvis was considered handsome and he's still considered handsome
to Okay, Like I'm going to stand by that argument
and say, for regular person, he was considered seventies handsome,
but he's not my type. But I'm just saying, like
that's that's people don't didn't get more attractive. But if
thirty years or forty or fifty years later, like that's ridiculous.
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Regular people didn't didn't evolve and get hotter. There's plenty
of people that you could say were hot in the seventies,
you know what I mean, Like, it's the people are
getting hotter. It's no, No, that's absolutely they're getting hotter
with great enhancement. Yeah, but we're but dudes typically well
I know they do, but a lot of dudes don't
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do that. So you just have to think about, like
he wasn't hot. The only thing that you could say
was hot was that people are attracted to the fact
that he was a serial killer. I just don't I
just don't see it in the face. It's the same
with coburger. I just don't see it. And it's funny because, well,
the thing is is that apparently he was like an
in cell type right, Yeah, and like nobody thought he
(32:29):
was hot before this happened. He wasn't like pounding it
left and right right, Like nobody was into that. And
now all of a sudden he's got like all these
girls into him because he killed some killed people. It's weird. Yeah,
I mean, I'm telling you the people obsessed with him
are in part because I'm sure some of them think
he's attractive, but you know, a lot of it has
(32:52):
to do with what he did, which is scarier to
think about that some people are okay with that and
attracted to people that have murdered other people. Yeah, so
I don't know, and it's not that I guess. That's
the scary part about these Reddit groups and just the
on online in general, is that you're always gonna have
some some sick fuck out there that thinks a certain way.
(33:13):
But now you have these communities where all of these
people could get together and share all their sick ideas
and like feed off of each other and this, Listen,
this could be a really positive thing. Like when you
have the Walmart Nutcracker group on Facebook, every face posting
that makes me want to get one now actually, but
everyone's posting these blank nutcrackers that you could buy that
(33:36):
are like six foot tall at Walmart and there's like
groups for them on Facebook, right, And you're like, that's
a good example of a community with a weird niche
that gets together and it's like, hey, look how I
painted my nutcracker and stuff totally innocent. But then you
have these people that are like, hey, isn't it hot
that that guy like file at that girl open? Oh yeah,
this is so hot. Like then that shit's weird. Yeah,
(33:59):
But like this is this is like where we're gonna
start seeing. You know, the internet's been around for what
like three decades approximately right now, so we're gonna really
start seeing the dangers of it when things like this
start coming out more and more over time. I guess
you could kind of say the grocroom is somewhere in
between these two things, because it is kind of you're
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looking at things that are really sick and twisted, but
at the same time you're you're learning about them and
trying to hopefully people are learning about them and trying
to make their lives better and not other things. Right,
you can't even say the grocerm is the same thing.
They're not people like actively having discussions of the public
forum being like this is sexy, like you know what
(34:42):
I mean. No, but it's people in an active forum
that are like, oh, this is the craziest accident I've
ever seen. This is the craziest murder I've ever seen.
I've never seen such a gruesome murder. It's like people
getting together to talk about the worst things that could
happen to humans, basically, but it is it is interesting,
and it's like the whole true crime thing, like why
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are women so interested in true crime? And it's just like,
well number one because our maybe our lives aren't that exciting.
And like, I don't know if this has happened at
crime con before, but I think they should because it's
ninety nine percent women. Do a lecture on the psychological
like component of women being attracted the serial killers. Yeah, no,
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nobody has to do it. I don't know, maybe they've
done it before. I know, I'm just trying to think
of like who to even recommend that too, And really
they could even talk about the fascination with true crime
and the women. And it is interesting because when we
went there, the first, Like, you know, I had Gabe
walk around with me at first, just so we could
like check out the convention and stuff, and he was
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just like, Yo, there's like all women here. This is insane.
He's just like look around, there's like a random husband
with the wife or something, but like this is like
a whole chick thing. He's like, why is that? He
kind of was like mind blown by that a little bit. Well,
there you have, like you want to think that a
majority of the women are attracted to like the police
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officers and the lawyers. Joe. The line of of women
that are lined up for him is hilarious. Your mother face, Yes,
my mom is Yeah, this is like my mom is
like the prime person that will go there and stand
in line for three hours just to like be like
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they send to you all the time. And then the
women following that Murphy like he's the Beatles right, Like,
so you have all that and that happened. I told
him that when I interviewed him, I was just like
I looked over and saw all these women like fan
growing following some dude, and it ended up being you
like that's it was just like it's just like hilarious.
Why don't we move on to the rest of it
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so we could talk. We could talk about serial killers
and people being in love with them forever and kind justice. Yeah,
and we need to talk about eating injuries because you know,
lots of people eat tomorrow so or Thanksgiving. All right,
So I guess a big risk with eating turkeys and
stuff is that you could potentially eat parts of the
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bones if they're not cut properly. And that happened to
this one guy in this one key's so like over
ten years ago, this guy in Australia. I don't even
think this is Thanksgiving related, but it's wishbone related. So
who eats turkey that's not on Thanksgiving? I know people eat,
like launch eat turkey and stuff, but like, does do
people cook a turkey on any other day besides Thanksgiving
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and maybe Christmas time? Yes? My stepmother in law cooks
turkey breast like on a regular day. Okay, I've never well,
I cook ground turkey a lot, but not like yeah,
I guess instead of like yeah, I know. Anyway, Sorry, anyway,
this guy sits down and he's playing video games and
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he's eating leftovers and swallows part of a wish bone
that was in the leftovers, which how does that happen
in general? Are you? I don't know. But he knew
that he swallowed it. He knew he swallowed it, but
he was hoping it would just pass. Yeah, So this
is the biggest thing I want to tell you, guys.
If you ever swallow something that's considered to be a
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foreign body like a bone, go to the hospital really
and don't risk trying to pass it because especially if
it even if it's not broken, it could perforate your
bow wall and it could really cause you to die.
And you should always just go to the hospital right away, honestly. Like,
if this guy went to the hospital right away and
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got an endoscopy really fast, they would have been able
to just remove it and end of story. And instead
it turned into hell for this guy. Yeah. I mean,
so basically he's just like waiting this time for it
to pass. It doesn't pass. Two days later, he starts
having indigestion, chest tightenness, shortness of breath, and then he
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sort of pain in his anus. The worst part of
this is really how he got treated at the hospital.
Like I was reading this and I just couldn't believe
that this is actually what really happened, Like he went
to the hospital and he told them that he ingested
accidentally a wishbone and said he was having pain in
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his anus. And the first thing the people at the
hospital should have done was give him imaging and find out,
like where is this thing and what's happening, And instead
they sent him home with hemorrhoid cream. Okay, even make
Eddie's say, I understand that you could have anal pain
from hemorrhoids, but like the foreign body in the GI
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track is a concern no matter what, even if he
wasn't even saying he had anal pain, like, check that
shit out. So they didn't do it. And then when
he went back, he ended up having the wishbone had
perforated through his rectum and caused an absess, which is
a collection of plus essentially around the bow, and that's
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what was causing his pain. And furthermore, he became septic
from that, which means that the bacteria got into his
bloodstream and spread to his organs. And he went to
the ICU and everything, and he woke up and he
was paralyzed from the waist down because of that, or
from the neck down actually because that's sorry. Yeah, and
he had to live in a reheb for four years
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before he could go home. I don't know if he
did it, say, if he ended up and walking again
or that was Yeah, he had something called critical illness neuropathy,
which is something that people can get after they have
a serious illness, especially like sepsis, that could cause them
to become temporarily paralyzed. I'm glad that he ended up
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suing the hospital, honestly, because this could have been caught
multiple times before it became a problem for him, you
know what I mean. And I have another story actually
of a woman who swallowed a wishbone but didn't know
she swallowed a wishbone, and she went to the hospital
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because there was something hard protruding from her anus. She
had a history of constipation, and when they did imaging
on her, they saw that she had this V shaped
foreign bodies stuck in her rectum right near her anus,
and when they removed it, it was a wishbone and
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she like literally had no idea that she even ate it.
I don't understand how it's ending up in it. I do,
because when you when you eat, there's been multiple times
that you're eating like a like a chicken, like a drumstick,
for example, you could bite off a piece of a
bone pretty easily, especially the smaller bones, and you could
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just get it in your mouth like it's it's not
it's not uncommon for that to happen because their bones
aren't they're just like they're not always super hard like
you would like you would think. And actually a wishbone
is the xyphoid process, which is your you know, the
bottom of your sternum kind of, and sometimes that could
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be like cartinolaginous or like cartilagic. You could bite through
it with your teeth. It's not what you would think
of as a super hard bone sometimes, and depending on
how old the turkey your chicken is depends on how
hard it would be. So I think it's it's totally
possible if you're just like have it in your hands
and you're like chewing it like that, that you could
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get a bone in your mouth easily and not know it.
But if you do know it, especially like the biggest
one that I always saw working in surgical pathology with dishbones,
because they're so they're so small and they're pointy, they're
almost like little needles that you're swallowing, and so many
people had problems with them, and it's like if you
chew one and by accident you think you swallowed it,
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like you really should just get checked out. Yeah, well,
I guess it's just like you gotta really watch when
you're carving the meat and making sure you're not getting
it in because anybody can have this issue. But they're
saying most people, most of the time people that have
the issues are children elderly people. So speaking of children,
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there was another case in which where this mother and
her child were at Golden Corral restaurant on Thanksgiving and
eating and the kids started choking on mashed potatoes and then,
thank god, somebody in the restaurant knew how to do
the Heimlich maneuver and was able to do it quickly
and save the kid. Yeah. So choking is most common
in kids, little kids, and then adults. So when you
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get older and you're just losing your reflexes and stuff
like that. And I've told the story on here about
when somebody used it on my sister, right, I don't remember. Well,
So what this doctor Heimlich discovered in the seventies is
that if you're choking, there's still some leftover air in
your lungs, So if you squeeze a person right underneath
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their ribs, you can help expeuse some of that air
that's in their lungs and push a foreign body out
of the throat if it's stuck. Right. So that's it
and catch on for a while, because obviously when anybody
brings up a new medical idea, there's always people like
saying it's not a good idea for years until they
realize that it is a good idea. Typically before that,
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you would just like slap someone on the back, which
is what you would still do now if you have
a person that's like unconscious or a baby or somebody.
Really the first thing you should do is if you
see that someone's choking and you talk to them and
you say, like, are you choking? And they're not able
to talk as the first sign, because typically you would think,
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like when they show you in the movies and stuff,
like when someone's choking, it's like they're making all this
noise and stuff, and it's just like, no, no noise
is coming out because the item is blocked over top
of the voice box, So there's no way that any
sound could come out because no air could come out right,
and you should really ask them, like, hey, can you
try to cough? Because sometimes if they can cough, like
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could dislodge it, but if not, you should really do
this heimlick on them. And this happened to my sister.
We were at the softball field when we were little kids.
And you know, it's like I was thinking about this
when I was reading this because the doctor Heimlich had
said this in the seventies and it didn't really catch
on for ten whole years. So that brings you to
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the early eighties. And this happened probably in like the
late eighties. So this mom that knew about doing this
was kind of on top of her shit, especially before
the Internet and all this stuff, Like you got to
think about that. And my sister was eating this piece
of candy that was like a lifesaver, but it had
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it had this center in it that had a whistle
in it, and you put the life saver thing in
between your lips and you were supposed to blow out
air and it made like a whistle sound. Well, she
put it between her lips and she sucked in. For
whatever reason. She was young, she was like seven or something.
She was little. She sucked it in and it went
in her throat, and this mom who was walking with
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us just happened to notice that she wasn't breathing and
gave her the heimlick and like got it out of her.
And it's just like, that's how fast it could happen
to people, you know what I mean. And I think
since then that that piece of candy is recalled, or
at least it's not sold in America anymore, although I
feel like I googled it fairly recently and solid on Amazon,
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but it's not sold like it was anyway. But but yeah,
that it works. It saves lives all the time, you know,
and it's it's it's just a way to especially if
it's happening to you, like if you're home alone or something.
You could do it on yourself by just making a
fist and going underneath of your ribs and just pushing
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as hard as you can. But you also could just
basically jam your your body, your abdomen right below your
ribs into like a piece of furniture to push something out.
Like God, but I gave even imagine avid adies of
the like that well, the thing is is that you
don't you want it to be like a last resort
because you could hurt some money, you could break the
rib or you could even like perforate one of their bows, right,
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so you want to make sure that when you're doing
it it's legit. But even if you do, if someone's
legit choking and you save them, even if you do
break their rib, like who cares, Like that could be fixed.
Even a perforated bowel can be fixed. Like if someone chokes,
they'll die. So you just look at it that way,
So the risk is kind of worth it if if
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it's necessary. Well, on that note, I hope you guys
got some good some good stories to talk about it
the dinner, you know what. So there's like this, I
don't I don't want to say anything about a brand
name or anything because I I don't even know if
it works. But I've seen commercials for some tool that
there is that you could have at your house and
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like stick it in someone's mouth and like suck something
out of their mouth or something when I know when
they're choking. I don't know, like like if it probably
works and it's probably awesome, but just it's just like
a weird thing, And I feel like if I had
one in my house, I'd be like, where is it?
Like it's in a drawer somewhere, and like ripping it
out of like ten thousand drawers or whatever. But I
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guess you could keep it like near the fire extinguisher
or whatever. I feel like you would just never, like,
if you had it at your house, you would choke
in a restaurant. If you had it in your purse,
it would be in the car when you choke it.
I don't know if you can carry it in your
purse because it's kind of big. Oh really, I think
it's I don't think it's like a little thing, Like
it wouldn't fit in my purse for sure. Maybe those
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fond to us so we could try it out. Yeah,
do you want to practice on that? No? All right, Well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great Thanksgiving. Let us know if you share any of
these stories you heard at dinner and how your family
received it. Let us know if you ampu sate one
of your fingers, or if you kill someone and eat
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their ribs, or what else did we talk about? Tell
you that? But but but if you do, we want
to know about it. Yeah, So we will see you
guys next week with some more news stories. Have a
great holiday weekend. So yeah, thank you for listening to
Mother Nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as
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a pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a
doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead
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This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
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