On today’s MKD, we talk about a lawsuit claiming Elvis's granddaughter is the biological mother of John Travolta's son, a freak sauna accident, a father who fell asleep holding his baby in a hot tub, a hospital's insulting offer after losing a patient's skull, and a mortuary mix-up.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a lawsuit claiming that Riley Keo,
Elvis Presley's granddaughter, is genetically the mother of John Charrolta's kid,
two freak accidents that involve a sonna and a hot tub,
a hospital that lost a chunk of a patient's skull,
and the unthinkable happened when a funeral home gave a
father a bag of what he thought was closed, only
(00:44):
to find out it was his son's brain. All that
and more in today's episode, Let's get started with Riley Keo.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All right, So, Priscilla Presley's former business manager filed a
breach of contract lawsuit against her son, and in the
legal documents, they claim that Riley Keo, who is Lisa
Marie's daughter and Elvis's granddaughter, donated her eggs to John
Travolta and Kelly Preston, which resulted in the birth of
their youngest son, Ben.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean, listen, like famous people do weird shit all
the time, who care like I don't. I just don't
even see why the I feel like this is almost
a confidentiality thing, like they might not have wanted this
out in the public if it's true, and it just
it's just kind of like Caddie right'. It's doing nothing
(01:32):
except putting them out there like that, and it's not
helping anyone at all to release this information, Like it's
just the kid's mom's dead, right, Kelly Preston's dead. Yeah,
Just why air someone's dirty laundry like that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't really understand it. And from Priscilla's camp, it's
seeming like this lawsuit isn't getting good traction and moving forward,
so they're just kind of grasping at straws and throwing
out whatever they can in these legal documents, trying to
get it in the news, which obviously with this story
they were successful.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
At doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But it's just kind of random, Like I don't think
this is as salacious as here trying to make it
seem like if Riley Keo had an affair with John
Travolta at the time this kid was born, she would
have been twenty twenty one years old. I think that
would have been a little more salacious, especially if he
and Kelly Preston then adopted this kid that resulted from
an affair, but like that's not what happened. Like people
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do IVF all the time. It's not weird to get
an egg Donor if they were close friends, which they
might have been because they were like all in scientology together,
then like they might have just been like, we're friends
and you're a good choice, you know, like you're young, and.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's like Elvis is DNA. Come on, I'd take that shit.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I think this lawsuit is stemming out of this like
weird estate argument that's been going on since Lisa Marie died.
And I don't really understand why Priscilla's son is involved
in any of this when it comes to Elvis as
a state, because that's her son from a different marriage,
like so he's not even related to Elvis.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm starting to get the impression that Priscilla might be
like maybe you're gonna think like, oh, doll, when I
say this, is she kind of like toxic?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Listen?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That would break my heart because like I've always growing
up and like she's just so cool and such a
fashion icon and everything. But I think that all this
information's coming out, and especially Lisa Marie's memoir did not
paint her in a good lay. I mean, that was
one of the saddest books I've ever read in my life,
and I think it really opened our eyes to how
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these really famous people can present themselves in public and
what's going on behind the scenes. So I am thinking
there's issues, and then you know, there was a big
lawsuit going on between Priscilla and Riley Keo over the estate,
and it's like, you're in a lawsuit with your granddaughter
over your ex husband's estate, Like it just seems like
so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think that she's that this Riley chick is like
emotionally drained by her grandmother, like like she's just going
along mind in her own business and now it's like,
oh cool, thanks, now you're now I'm in the news
saying that whether it's true or not, that like, if
it's true, they obviously didn't want people to know because
nobody knew about it, And if it's not true, then
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it's slander. Like it's just kind of and it's all
stems from like Grandma once again, get like being greedy
and drama and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I just don't really understand the point of all
this fighting, and like I guess if you want to argue,
like Priscilla did put in her time with Elvis and
he was very difficult, kind of a predator. I mean,
she was like fourteen years old when they started dating,
which is disgusting. But like, I don't know, I think
it's weird to fight over dumb things like this and
(04:50):
you should just focus on being a family, especially when
there was a loss like Lisa Marie Presley. It just
seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Really know what the big deal with the egg donation
is if if that is true, people do it all
the time and it's not uncommon to ask somebody you
know to donate soar sperm or egg.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So this is the question I have because it said
that John Travolta had had they were having trouble having
a baby and they needed an egg donor is that
for all of their kids? Because then I have a question,
well who do the other two kids belong to? Because
they said that they actually were in possession of Lisa
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Marie's eggs for a while and decided not to use
them anymore because of her drug habits, and that's when
the daughter decided to step in to do it seems
a little It just seems a little off, but like
like Hollywood people do weird shit, so I wouldn't put
anything past them.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, I mean this story has like a million different
layers you could peel back. I mean, I also think
it's curious with the history of like Nicole Kidman and
Tom Cruise, Like allegedly she wasn't she was going through
fertility issues and wasn't allowed to go through IVF and
that's why they had to adopt their children. And I
don't know if that's because of the religion or personal
(06:10):
choice or whatever. So if it was tied to the religion,
I don't know if that transferred over to John Travolta, Like,
I don't know what goes on over there. I just
think it's interesting to talk about, and like, I don't
think this is salacious as they're trying to make it
seem like who cares if she donated her eggs. She
made the choice and she did it. It's not like
when you're a guy and you just go in the
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bathroom and ejaculate into a cup. I mean, she had
to undergo a procedure to get it done, so it's
not like as easy and because.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And take a bunch of drugs for a while to
stimulate your ovaries and things like that. So I think
that Kelly probably, I mean, I could say that there's
definitely two potential reasons why, on top of many that
she might not have been able to have kids or
didn't want to have her own natural kids. It's because
number one, we know that she died of breast cancer
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when she was only fifty seven years old. There was
not much information released about that, so we don't know
if she had a genetic variant. But sometimes people that
know that they're testing positive for some of these genes,
they just don't want to pass it on to their children,
So that's a possibility. And then number two, if they
decided after Jet their sixteen year old who died, they
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wanted to have another baby. He seems like they said
he had Kawasaki's disease, which is inflammation of the blood
vessels and stuff. Don't I don't really know if that's
the case. He could have had it as a kid,
but that's not something that usually follows into teenagehood. So
he had something else going on along with reportedly like
(07:43):
intellectual disabilities and stuff. So obviously they don't release all
his medical information. I don't know, but is it possible
that he had a genetic condition as well? And maybe
they were just like, you know what, like let's just
go with someone else to have this kid because we
don't want to risk whatever. It's just total And they
said she only had the breast cancer for two years,
(08:03):
but we don't know about that either. Maybe she hadn't
she was undergoing treatment and didn't want to get pregnant again.
Like we just don't know, So it is likely. I
mean that happens all the time that people just have
to do IBF forget egg donors and stuff. So we
just don't know if it's true. I just think it's
kind of caddy that they even are trying to like
(08:23):
she's the innocent want sitting over there and getting involved
with her grandma's drama, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, and if she made that choice, like why does
all her shit gotta be out there? You know, like
she made the choice. She was an adult when she
made the choice. I also think it's weird because on
YouTube last week, we had talked about a similar story
where this woman had sued Billy ray Cyrus, claiming that
when she was twelve, she gave birth to Miley Cyrus
and then entered into this private adoption agreement with he
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and Tish, and then she was saying as part of
the agreement, she would get to name the baby, work
as her nanny and be her piano teacher. But they
broke that agreement. So, like, I think anybody that's seen Tish,
who we know as Miley's biological mother, and Miley's side
by side, there's no denying there related they look like
identical twins.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I know, it's it is annoying, and you do have
to remember that celebrities get our targets for this kind
of crap. But I would think that if someone was
making an outrageous claim like that, that Riley Keo could
be like, I'm suing you for slander right now. And
we haven't heard any of that either, So yeah, I mean,
(09:27):
she might not want to, she might not want to
deal with it or whatever. But like, because because it's
just like it is, like who cares, Like it's just
annoying that you're gonna just try to, you know, take
someone down for that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, because I wanted to say, like, at the same time,
you could say, yeah, she definitely could sue them for defamation,
and maybe she's not because maybe it's true. But also
if it's not true, she could just be like, I'm
tired of being roped into my grandmom's legal mishaps, Like
I just want to ignore this because, as we know,
if she just blows it off, it's gonna go away eventually,
and if she sees, it's gonna be in the news
(10:01):
for five years.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I feel like if I was her, I'd just be like,
I don't even care, because who does care. She didn't
do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Wrong, No, I know it is. It's a nothing burger,
all right. Let's get into this sauna fire.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So in Japan, a couple was in a sauna when
a fire broke out. They couldn't get out due to
a faulty door handle, and they died.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So it's really.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Important to do an autopsy in a case like this.
They did say, so they haven't fully come out with
what they said exactly happened, but they did say that
the police noticed that they had burns on their body,
but they didn't think it was consistent with burns that
would have killed them, which means to me that something
killed them. First, and then they were in the fire
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and they got burned on their bodies a little bit
before their bodies were found. Now, in a situation like this,
it's important to do an autopsy because we don't know
what happened. Like it appears that they were stuck inside
of the sauna. The firefighters tried to get in and
the other side of the door handle was on the floor,
which means it broke. The alarm that they were trying
(11:07):
to push to get help was not connected to electricity.
All of that indicates that they were in there and
they didn't want to be in there, and they were
trying to get out. So but you still don't know,
like was that guy you know, did he stab her
and then kill himself. Did they both take drugs? Did
(11:28):
they there's there's so many different things that could have happened.
Was it was it an accident? What was it carbon monoxide?
Which is probably likely the case if they were innocently
just sitting in there and they got locked in there,
that that's probably what happened. That they had a carbon
monoxide poisoning. You would be able to see that on
external autopsity. The live remortis is a different color, and
(11:51):
also the organs are very they're just they have a
more red color. The muscle when you cut it has
a red color. But most importantly, you could do blood
levels to see what the carbon monoxide levels were at
the time of the person's death, and that will really
help determine. And also, of course you could see if
the person was alive or not when the fire started
(12:13):
by looking for soot inside of the airway, So all
of those different things and then they'll be able to
determine how they died. But God, this place, this was
like a place that specialized in saunas, like you went
there to go in a sauna.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And concerningly, an employee is saying that basically they got
an inspection in twenty twenty three and passed it no problem,
and then since then, this emergency system has just like
basically been unplugged, like it's just not working. The electricity
doesn't work with it. So not only did they have
this fire, but the safety prevention measure that's in there
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wasn't working and gave them no chance to get out.
And also when they went in there, they were saying
the door handle was.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
On the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, so I mean the family members of them definitely
will have some kind of a lawsuit of it's if
it was negligence on their part and it was a
malfunction of the actual the place itself that was housing
the sauna, or the company that had the sauna. I mean,
it just sounds absolutely terrifying to be locked inside of
a sauna and not being able to get out because
(13:16):
that feeling of just being too hot. I mean, think
about how gross it feels when you're in bed and
your blankets are too hot and you want to kick
them off because you feel like you're suffocating. Well, imagine
that time's a thousand, Like, it must just be a
terrible death.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Really, I literally can't. This sounds absolutely her like.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Hopefully they did have carbon monoxide poisoning and they passed
out relatively quickly and didn't experience much stress as far
as that's concerned.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Okay, a family was on vacation in Florida and while
a father was holding his one year old baby in
the hot up, he fell asleep, causing her to fall
in and drown.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, so I guess the number one rule is that.
I mean, this is the thing too. This These people
were from DC and they were visiting an airbnb and
we've been this so many of them where like they
have hot tubs. It's like it's an appealing thing, especially
for people that don't have hot tubs, to be like,
oh my god, this is something cool we could do
on vacation. And it's really unfortunate because this family is
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a young family. This baby that died was only one
and the other one was like six months old. They're
like Irish twins.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean, this is probably gonna be a dumb question,
but like, are babies even allowed to go in hot tubs?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, this is what I'm trying. You definitely should not
go on a hot tub when you were pregnant.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
No, that's like, oh that's like that's like on every
list they give you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It is, so you're not supposed to do it when
you're pregnant. You're not supposed to put a baby in
there at all. That's under I would. I would personally say,
like a kid shouldn't even go in there until they're
like actually a kid like four or five years old,
and even if they go in there, they should be
in there for like five minutes. Seriously, like the it
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kid really raise their body temperature too high, but for babies,
they still can't regulate great. So it's just like you
should just never ever have a baby in a hot tub.
I just think that a lot of people think it's
like a swimming pool or a bath. They just because
it's not so hot that it would burn their skin
per se. They just don't really think about it. And
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of course they're on vacation and the dad was having
some drinks and the mom was in the bedroom put
in the other kid to bed. I mean, having two
babies sucks. Trust me, I've done it. So I think
that I think it just was just like this terrible
combination of stuff, and it sucks because this guy like
got arrested and he feels terrible about it, like he
(15:41):
wasn't in you know, he.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Wasn't just having some drinks. He also admitted to taking
two narcotics also in addition to drinking alcohol before getting
in the hot tub.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
With the baby.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, listen, unfortunately, like I understand, like I wouldn't be
doing that, right, But this is what like a lot
of people do. They're just like, oh, I'm gonna take
a percocet and have a drink and relax on the
like it's just a bunch of dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But do that on your own time, not when you're
like responsible for caregiving for a child.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, I mean, and it sucks. So the guy goes
into the hot tub with the kid, and which is
even this isn't even like a more unusual circumstance. But
he fell asleep for like fifteen or twenty minutes and
woke up and the kid was floating face down in
the water because the kid drowned. The kid drowned. Actually
it wasn't even a hyperthermia situation the kid. The kid
(16:31):
drowned because it's a baby that was in water and
didn't know how to swim. And the whole entire thing
of it is just is just super terrible. I mean, like,
especially when you're taking care of like little babies like that,
you should try to be sober. But like people do,
I mean, like people do this all the time. This
isn't like a you know, I personally know people that
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do stuff like this. It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But unfortunately this terrible act didn't happened and like on
vacation and now the dad's was in jail. I mean,
the thing is is that. When I look at this,
I'm just like, well, how is that any different from
the dad that we were talking about over the past
couple years that had just had a baby and a
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toddler and the wife was out with her friends, having
a dinner with her friends, and he was in the
house sports betting and the kid was outside and drowned
in the pool. He didn't go to jail for that,
And like, what's the difference? Kind of Well, I.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Guess because sports betting is not illegal as taking narcotics is.
So they probably just got them on a loophole like that.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean, we don't, but we don't even know,
Like the narcotics might not be He might have an
injury and be legally have a prescription for them, so
then they wouldn't be considered illegal.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, but you're neglectfully using them by drinking alcohol with
them when you're not supposed to. So I'm sure they
get him on something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't I don't know the reasoning.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think they're both equal lead terrible offenses, But it
depends the jurisdiction it happened, you know, there's a million factors.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I'm just glad, like stories like this come out,
and because I think that a lot of people just
don't think about certain things and how things that seemingly
like don't are aren't gonna be a big deal can
turn out to like ruin your life. And it happened
to this guy, this whole couple. Like I mean, think
about this, like you're you're you're in a couple, and
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you have two little babies and you're looking forward to
your life and then all of a sudden, one of
your babies is dead, and and the guy's in jail,
like it's just terrible, and he feels I mean, he
feels terrible about it. It's not that that I mean,
that has to be the worst thing. It's like when
you when you kill your kid because you're being neglectful
and not actually intending to do it. I mean, it's
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he's going to get punished for it, But I just
hope it could teach other people not to do things
like that.
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Okay, so this next story has to do with a
hospital losing a piece of a person's skull.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So this hospital allegedly lost a chunk of a patient's
skull and then thought they could make up for it
by offering her a twenty five dollars gas gift card.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like what, who did? How did this happen?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Like, all right, let's talk about what happened. So she
had a stroke, went to the hospital, and they did
a procedure on her called a dig compressive right hemicranyactomy.
So sometimes when you have a stroke or any kind
of brain injury, your brain swells right, and your brain
is in this hard shell of a skull, and there's
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barely any space for it to swell. So like let's say,
for example, someone hits your arm with a baseball bat
and it gets really swollen. Like your arm could swell
pretty big because there's a lot of room for it
to get bigger, but your brain doesn't really have anywhere
to go. So when this happens, when you go to
the hospital, they cut out a chunk of your skull
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in order for the brain to be able to swell
and get bigger. And then once the swelling goes down,
they put that piece of the skull back on and
put little plates on it to keep it on, and
all is good. They want to do that. They want
to use the patient's actual skull because it fits in
there like a puzzle number one, it fits perfect number two.
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It's your own tissue. It's not a foreign body. And
as we talk about multiple times on this show, when
you have any kind of a foreign body placed into
your body because of surgery, there's a chance that your
body is going to attack it because it doesn't like
foreign materilla in your body, and you could get a
lot of complications because of that. So usually what they
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do is they take out this during the craniotomy, which
just means cutting into the skull. They take out this
piece of skull and they put it somewhere like in
in a special freezer. Sometimes they do something really weird,
which is they cut an incision in the abdomen and
they stick it under the person's skin and just leave
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it there. It's really really weird. They didn't do that
with her obviously. They they send it wherever they're going
to normally send it, and it got lost and switched
with another person's specimen somehow, which listen like, I've worked
in elab my half of my life, and like it happens. Unfortunately,
it's not often.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, and they also said the patient had a similar name. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I mean, like listen, like just shit happens sometimes and
it gets really crazy in the ors sometimes. But we've
had times where we got specimens from the operating room
that were labeled wrong. So whatever happened, Like, we got
skull caps in pathology fairly often. I mean, we had
a neuroscience building attached to our hospitals, so sometimes we
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got things. But you know, we would keep them and
we would just do a gross exam of them, so
we would look at them and describe them, measure them,
say if they were normal. Sometimes they had plates attached
to them, sometimes not, and then we would just put
them in the refrigerator and just you know, we kept
them there or whatever. So we weren't and we would
keep them for like a while, for a month or
(23:52):
something before we would get rid of them, right, So
I guess in that situation though, when there's a switch up,
you just don't know whose is what. It just it
just could cause a lot of problems. So they just said, Okay,
you're just going to have to get a foreign body,
and luckily like that's available, so it's not the end
of the world. Sometimes people just can't get their bone
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replaced anyway, so they have these this foreign like titanium plate.
Remember Uncle Eddie and Christmas vacation, like knocking on his head, right, Yeah,
he had a plate over the top of his head,
So you could do that. But then, like I said,
there's just an increased risk of having infections and having
it not fit properly and and just like different things
(24:36):
like that, and of course your body rejecting it. But
there's plenty of people that have titanium plates that are fine, right,
So I guess I guess the weird part of this
story really is that they did they did mess up,
and they did admit to it, and they were just like,
all right, well, we're just gonna give you this guess
card for your troubles kind of thing. And I don't know,
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like the titanium is like luckily she could have the
whole cover, but it's not the same as the bone.
And since they threw out the bone and mixed it
up with another patient, I don't really know what lawsuit
they're gonna have unless she can prove that she has
lasting effects because of this. So let's say she gets
the titanium plate and it doesn't her body rejects it
(25:22):
and she has like recurrent infections and abscesses and stuff
like that. Then she could do and be like I've
had all this needless surgery and pain and suffering, plus
you know, all of my additional medical bills. But like,
if she gets this done and never has a problem again,
I don't really see, Like I don't see the lawsuit,
but but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm not saying this is acceptable.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I understand the switching of body parts right, and that
there could be a mix up.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Understand is whose decision it was to give a twenty
five dollars gas gift card, because like, not only is
that so rando, but like also twenty five dollars gets
you like half a tank of gas, depending where you live.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It's really it's more I don't think I don't think
it matters where you live at this point. I think
it that's unreasonable to twenty five dollars will fill it
out a tank of like a motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I feel the offering of the gift card was more
offensive than if they just didn't offer them anything.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, like who is on their their hospitality board at
that hospital because they're certainly should get fired. They're the
ones that should get fired for this. So yeah, I mean,
like I understand completely suing a hospital and everything if
there's a major mix up that can that really affects
a person's life or especially kills a person. But in
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this particular situation, I feel, I don't know, I don't
know that it's one hundred percent necessary. It just it
seems like more newsworthy because of the the gift.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's so rather offense.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It really is like they I mean, they have to
tell the patient because they're they're putting in this, they're
putting in a foreign thing. But listen, like there's been
a couple times that we've gotten some big screw ups
on specimens in the labs that I've worked at, and
I'm sure that there's conversations that have to go on
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with people that you have to tell them what happened, right,
And I don't know how they handle it because you know.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay, So a family issuing a mortuary after they gave
the family this bag which the family believed was their
son's clothes, only to discover it was his brain. When
they emptied the bag into their washing machine.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean, this is just this is beyond incompetence.
I don't know where because this is like not a
weird situation. So the son died and the father said, Okay,
I don't want him to be buried in what he's wearing.
I want to bring something else for you to put
on him, which is that happens all the time, right.
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They hand him a bag with his belongings in it,
which is also standard. We do it at the hospital too,
Like if a person comes in the hospital wearing clothes
and stuff and they die, you know, they're not a
hospital patient. They haven't even had time to see their
family or anything. We get a bag of belongings that
we send along with them to the funeral home. This
is like totally standard stuff. Where it gets crazy is
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that they hand the family a red biohazard bag and
tell them this is the this is your son's clothes.
This is exactly why red biohazard bags are red bright
red because they should be specifically used for biohazard.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Now they consider the clothes biohazard.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Depending on his exactly, they could potentially I don't know
what they do in a funeral home, but that's I
don't know, I personally would think that you would put
it into a different kind of a bag because I
just I don't think that if they were truly deemed biohazard,
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like technically you shouldn't even really be giving them back
to the patient, right, And I mean, I guess if
a person dies in it, there could be like decomp
juice and fluids and everything like that. But I mean,
I don't know if any of you guys are listening
at our funeral home. I just think that it would
be weird to give a family closed in a biohazard bag.
And and for this reason, so because this is how
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this terrible mix up happened. So they didn't even think
anything of it because they didn't even know that their son.
They knew he had an autopsy, but they didn't even
know that they examined his brain. So the dad had
just not thought of it. And you get this bag
and it's in a biohazard bag, and you know that
your son died in it, and they probably any people
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do whatever they want to do to memorize their kid.
Like I personally don't know that I would want to
keep the stuff that was soiled and like wash it
and put it aside. Maybe I don't know, but regardless,
they decided to do that. And he opens the bag
and dumps it into the washing machine and like a
decomposing brain like plops out in his washing machine. Then
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he has to go in his washing machine and scoop
up his son's brain and put it back in the
bag and bring it back to the funeral home. Like,
I'm sorry, but this is just completely out of control.
It's just so out of control on so many levels.
I don't even understand how this happened.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well, the worst part of this is this is not
even the first story like this we've covered since starting
the show two years ago. I think we've actually had
three that were like this.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, we have, and we've had like but they've gotten
like a container with the brain in it, I mean,
which is just terrible as well. I just think that
this is just like this whole other level of like
just because I know what this looks like to think
about that being your child's It's just it's something this
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guy could I mean, like, you ruined the rest of
this guy's life like this, this is something How is
he ever gonna get that out of his mind? That vision? Well,
you know, I mean, it's just absolutely terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You know. It's really discussing too.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Is they're saying they dumped it in the machine and
they didn't know what it was, so they scooped it
back out and put it back in the bag and
brought it back to the funeral home, and that's when
they told them. I mean, they had to have known
what it was, like, well, they knew it was I
don't think they knew it was brain, Like yeah, I mean,
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because listen, like a decomposed brain is is it looks
like vomit or soup. It's like a weird gray soup
he called.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Like they had to have known it was something obviously
coming from the body, but they didn't know exactly what
it was. But they're sewing and I think rightfully. So
I mean, this is completely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean, this is like you just couldn't even
make this up as a story. If you tried, nobody
would believe it. They would just be like, oh, that's
so outrageous. This would never even happen. It's so messed up. Man.
I just I can't. I just feel so terrible for
this father, I really do. I mean, listen, like you
should never be bearing your children anyway, So it's already
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just like heart wrenching to have to do something like this.
I don't even they don't even really say how old
the guy was or why he died or anything, right
at least in this particular article, but like, who cares
you're burying your son. It's definitely like one of the
worst days, if not the worst day of your life
as it is, and no person should ever have to
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be holding their child's brain matter in their hand. Like
the smell of it, the sight of it, the knowledge
of it, I mean, all of it is just so awful.
It's just so so awful traumatic, just so traumatic.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a lawsuit claiming that Riley Keo,
Elvis Presley's granddaughter, is genetically the mother of John Charrolta's kid,
two freak accidents that involve a sonna and a hot tub,
a hospital that lost a chunk of a patient's skull,
and the unthinkable happened when a funeral home gave a
father a bag of what he thought was closed, only
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to find out it was his son's brain. All that
and more in today's episode, Let's get started with Riley Keo.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All right, So, Priscilla Presley's former business manager filed a
breach of contract lawsuit against her son, and in the
legal documents, they claim that Riley Keo, who is Lisa
Marie's daughter and Elvis's granddaughter, donated her eggs to John
Travolta and Kelly Preston, which resulted in the birth of
their youngest son, Ben.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean, listen, like famous people do weird shit all
the time, who care like I don't. I just don't
even see why the I feel like this is almost
a confidentiality thing, like they might not have wanted this
out in the public if it's true, and it just
it's just kind of like Caddie right'. It's doing nothing
(01:32):
except putting them out there like that, and it's not
helping anyone at all to release this information, Like it's
just the kid's mom's dead, right, Kelly Preston's dead. Yeah,
Just why air someone's dirty laundry like that.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't really understand it. And from Priscilla's camp, it's
seeming like this lawsuit isn't getting good traction and moving forward,
so they're just kind of grasping at straws and throwing
out whatever they can in these legal documents, trying to
get it in the news, which obviously with this story
they were successful.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
At doing that.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
But it's just kind of random, Like I don't think
this is as salacious as here trying to make it
seem like if Riley Keo had an affair with John
Travolta at the time this kid was born, she would
have been twenty twenty one years old. I think that
would have been a little more salacious, especially if he
and Kelly Preston then adopted this kid that resulted from
an affair, but like that's not what happened. Like people
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do IVF all the time. It's not weird to get
an egg Donor if they were close friends, which they
might have been because they were like all in scientology together,
then like they might have just been like, we're friends
and you're a good choice, you know, like you're young, and.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's like Elvis is DNA. Come on, I'd take that shit.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I think this lawsuit is stemming out of this like
weird estate argument that's been going on since Lisa Marie died.
And I don't really understand why Priscilla's son is involved
in any of this when it comes to Elvis as
a state, because that's her son from a different marriage,
like so he's not even related to Elvis.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm starting to get the impression that Priscilla might be
like maybe you're gonna think like, oh, doll, when I
say this, is she kind of like toxic?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Listen?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That would break my heart because like I've always growing
up and like she's just so cool and such a
fashion icon and everything. But I think that all this
information's coming out, and especially Lisa Marie's memoir did not
paint her in a good lay. I mean, that was
one of the saddest books I've ever read in my life,
and I think it really opened our eyes to how
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these really famous people can present themselves in public and
what's going on behind the scenes. So I am thinking
there's issues, and then you know, there was a big
lawsuit going on between Priscilla and Riley Keo over the estate,
and it's like, you're in a lawsuit with your granddaughter
over your ex husband's estate, Like it just seems like
so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think that she's that this Riley chick is like
emotionally drained by her grandmother, like like she's just going
along mind in her own business and now it's like,
oh cool, thanks, now you're now I'm in the news
saying that whether it's true or not, that like, if
it's true, they obviously didn't want people to know because
nobody knew about it, And if it's not true, then
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it's slander. Like it's just kind of and it's all
stems from like Grandma once again, get like being greedy
and drama and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I just don't really understand the point of all
this fighting, and like I guess if you want to argue,
like Priscilla did put in her time with Elvis and
he was very difficult, kind of a predator. I mean,
she was like fourteen years old when they started dating,
which is disgusting. But like, I don't know, I think
it's weird to fight over dumb things like this and
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you should just focus on being a family, especially when
there was a loss like Lisa Marie Presley. It just
seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Really know what the big deal with the egg donation
is if if that is true, people do it all
the time and it's not uncommon to ask somebody you
know to donate soar sperm or egg.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So this is the question I have because it said
that John Travolta had had they were having trouble having
a baby and they needed an egg donor is that
for all of their kids? Because then I have a question,
well who do the other two kids belong to? Because
they said that they actually were in possession of Lisa
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Marie's eggs for a while and decided not to use
them anymore because of her drug habits, and that's when
the daughter decided to step in to do it seems
a little It just seems a little off, but like
like Hollywood people do weird shit, so I wouldn't put
anything past them.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, I mean this story has like a million different
layers you could peel back. I mean, I also think
it's curious with the history of like Nicole Kidman and
Tom Cruise, Like allegedly she wasn't she was going through
fertility issues and wasn't allowed to go through IVF and
that's why they had to adopt their children. And I
don't know if that's because of the religion or personal
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choice or whatever. So if it was tied to the religion,
I don't know if that transferred over to John Travolta, Like,
I don't know what goes on over there. I just
think it's interesting to talk about, and like, I don't
think this is salacious as they're trying to make it
seem like who cares if she donated her eggs. She
made the choice and she did it. It's not like
when you're a guy and you just go in the
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bathroom and ejaculate into a cup. I mean, she had
to undergo a procedure to get it done, so it's
not like as easy and because.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And take a bunch of drugs for a while to
stimulate your ovaries and things like that. So I think
that Kelly probably, I mean, I could say that there's
definitely two potential reasons why, on top of many that
she might not have been able to have kids or
didn't want to have her own natural kids. It's because
number one, we know that she died of breast cancer
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when she was only fifty seven years old. There was
not much information released about that, so we don't know
if she had a genetic variant. But sometimes people that
know that they're testing positive for some of these genes,
they just don't want to pass it on to their children,
So that's a possibility. And then number two, if they
decided after Jet their sixteen year old who died, they
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wanted to have another baby. He seems like they said
he had Kawasaki's disease, which is inflammation of the blood
vessels and stuff. Don't I don't really know if that's
the case. He could have had it as a kid,
but that's not something that usually follows into teenagehood. So
he had something else going on along with reportedly like
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intellectual disabilities and stuff. So obviously they don't release all
his medical information. I don't know, but is it possible
that he had a genetic condition as well? And maybe
they were just like, you know what, like let's just
go with someone else to have this kid because we
don't want to risk whatever. It's just total And they
said she only had the breast cancer for two years,
(08:03):
but we don't know about that either. Maybe she hadn't
she was undergoing treatment and didn't want to get pregnant again.
Like we just don't know, So it is likely. I
mean that happens all the time that people just have
to do IBF forget egg donors and stuff. So we
just don't know if it's true. I just think it's
kind of caddy that they even are trying to like
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she's the innocent want sitting over there and getting involved
with her grandma's drama, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, and if she made that choice, like why does
all her shit gotta be out there? You know, like
she made the choice. She was an adult when she
made the choice. I also think it's weird because on
YouTube last week, we had talked about a similar story
where this woman had sued Billy ray Cyrus, claiming that
when she was twelve, she gave birth to Miley Cyrus
and then entered into this private adoption agreement with he
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and Tish, and then she was saying as part of
the agreement, she would get to name the baby, work
as her nanny and be her piano teacher. But they
broke that agreement. So, like, I think anybody that's seen Tish,
who we know as Miley's biological mother, and Miley's side
by side, there's no denying there related they look like
identical twins.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I know, it's it is annoying, and you do have
to remember that celebrities get our targets for this kind
of crap. But I would think that if someone was
making an outrageous claim like that, that Riley Keo could
be like, I'm suing you for slander right now. And
we haven't heard any of that either, So yeah, I mean,
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she might not want to, she might not want to
deal with it or whatever. But like, because because it's
just like it is, like who cares, Like it's just
annoying that you're gonna just try to, you know, take
someone down for that.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, because I wanted to say, like, at the same time,
you could say, yeah, she definitely could sue them for defamation,
and maybe she's not because maybe it's true. But also
if it's not true, she could just be like, I'm
tired of being roped into my grandmom's legal mishaps, Like
I just want to ignore this because, as we know,
if she just blows it off, it's gonna go away eventually,
and if she sees, it's gonna be in the news
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for five years.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I feel like if I was her, I'd just be like,
I don't even care, because who does care. She didn't
do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Wrong, No, I know it is. It's a nothing burger,
all right. Let's get into this sauna fire.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So in Japan, a couple was in a sauna when
a fire broke out. They couldn't get out due to
a faulty door handle, and they died.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So it's really.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Important to do an autopsy in a case like this.
They did say, so they haven't fully come out with
what they said exactly happened, but they did say that
the police noticed that they had burns on their body,
but they didn't think it was consistent with burns that
would have killed them, which means to me that something
killed them. First, and then they were in the fire
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and they got burned on their bodies a little bit
before their bodies were found. Now, in a situation like this,
it's important to do an autopsy because we don't know
what happened. Like it appears that they were stuck inside
of the sauna. The firefighters tried to get in and
the other side of the door handle was on the floor,
which means it broke. The alarm that they were trying
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to push to get help was not connected to electricity.
All of that indicates that they were in there and
they didn't want to be in there, and they were
trying to get out. So but you still don't know,
like was that guy you know, did he stab her
and then kill himself. Did they both take drugs? Did
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they there's there's so many different things that could have happened.
Was it was it an accident? What was it carbon monoxide?
Which is probably likely the case if they were innocently
just sitting in there and they got locked in there,
that that's probably what happened. That they had a carbon
monoxide poisoning. You would be able to see that on
external autopsity. The live remortis is a different color, and
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also the organs are very they're just they have a
more red color. The muscle when you cut it has
a red color. But most importantly, you could do blood
levels to see what the carbon monoxide levels were at
the time of the person's death, and that will really
help determine. And also, of course you could see if
the person was alive or not when the fire started
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by looking for soot inside of the airway, So all
of those different things and then they'll be able to
determine how they died. But God, this place, this was
like a place that specialized in saunas, like you went
there to go in a sauna.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And concerningly, an employee is saying that basically they got
an inspection in twenty twenty three and passed it no problem,
and then since then, this emergency system has just like
basically been unplugged, like it's just not working. The electricity
doesn't work with it. So not only did they have
this fire, but the safety prevention measure that's in there
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wasn't working and gave them no chance to get out.
And also when they went in there, they were saying
the door handle was.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
On the floor.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, so I mean the family members of them definitely
will have some kind of a lawsuit of it's if
it was negligence on their part and it was a
malfunction of the actual the place itself that was housing
the sauna, or the company that had the sauna. I mean,
it just sounds absolutely terrifying to be locked inside of
a sauna and not being able to get out because
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that feeling of just being too hot. I mean, think
about how gross it feels when you're in bed and
your blankets are too hot and you want to kick
them off because you feel like you're suffocating. Well, imagine
that time's a thousand, Like, it must just be a
terrible death.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Really, I literally can't. This sounds absolutely her like.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Hopefully they did have carbon monoxide poisoning and they passed
out relatively quickly and didn't experience much stress as far
as that's concerned.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Okay, a family was on vacation in Florida and while
a father was holding his one year old baby in
the hot up, he fell asleep, causing her to fall
in and drown.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, so I guess the number one rule is that.
I mean, this is the thing too. This These people
were from DC and they were visiting an airbnb and
we've been this so many of them where like they
have hot tubs. It's like it's an appealing thing, especially
for people that don't have hot tubs, to be like,
oh my god, this is something cool we could do
on vacation. And it's really unfortunate because this family is
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a young family. This baby that died was only one
and the other one was like six months old. They're
like Irish twins.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean, this is probably gonna be a dumb question,
but like, are babies even allowed to go in hot tubs?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, this is what I'm trying. You definitely should not
go on a hot tub when you were pregnant.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
No, that's like, oh that's like that's like on every
list they give you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It is, so you're not supposed to do it when
you're pregnant. You're not supposed to put a baby in
there at all. That's under I would. I would personally say,
like a kid shouldn't even go in there until they're
like actually a kid like four or five years old,
and even if they go in there, they should be
in there for like five minutes. Seriously, like the it
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kid really raise their body temperature too high, but for babies,
they still can't regulate great. So it's just like you
should just never ever have a baby in a hot tub.
I just think that a lot of people think it's
like a swimming pool or a bath. They just because
it's not so hot that it would burn their skin
per se. They just don't really think about it. And
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of course they're on vacation and the dad was having
some drinks and the mom was in the bedroom put
in the other kid to bed. I mean, having two
babies sucks. Trust me, I've done it. So I think
that I think it just was just like this terrible
combination of stuff, and it sucks because this guy like
got arrested and he feels terrible about it, like he
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wasn't in you know, he.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Wasn't just having some drinks. He also admitted to taking
two narcotics also in addition to drinking alcohol before getting
in the hot tub.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
With the baby.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, listen, unfortunately, like I understand, like I wouldn't be
doing that, right, But this is what like a lot
of people do. They're just like, oh, I'm gonna take
a percocet and have a drink and relax on the
like it's just a bunch of dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
But do that on your own time, not when you're
like responsible for caregiving for a child.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, I mean, and it sucks. So the guy goes
into the hot tub with the kid, and which is
even this isn't even like a more unusual circumstance. But
he fell asleep for like fifteen or twenty minutes and
woke up and the kid was floating face down in
the water because the kid drowned. The kid drowned. Actually
it wasn't even a hyperthermia situation the kid. The kid
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drowned because it's a baby that was in water and
didn't know how to swim. And the whole entire thing
of it is just is just super terrible. I mean, like,
especially when you're taking care of like little babies like that,
you should try to be sober. But like people do,
I mean, like people do this all the time. This
isn't like a you know, I personally know people that
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do stuff like this. It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
But unfortunately this terrible act didn't happened and like on
vacation and now the dad's was in jail. I mean,
the thing is is that. When I look at this,
I'm just like, well, how is that any different from
the dad that we were talking about over the past
couple years that had just had a baby and a
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toddler and the wife was out with her friends, having
a dinner with her friends, and he was in the
house sports betting and the kid was outside and drowned
in the pool. He didn't go to jail for that,
And like, what's the difference? Kind of Well, I.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Guess because sports betting is not illegal as taking narcotics is.
So they probably just got them on a loophole like that.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean, we don't, but we don't even know,
Like the narcotics might not be He might have an
injury and be legally have a prescription for them, so
then they wouldn't be considered illegal.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, but you're neglectfully using them by drinking alcohol with
them when you're not supposed to. So I'm sure they
get him on something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't I don't know the reasoning.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I think they're both equal lead terrible offenses, But it
depends the jurisdiction it happened, you know, there's a million factors.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I'm just glad, like stories like this come out,
and because I think that a lot of people just
don't think about certain things and how things that seemingly
like don't are aren't gonna be a big deal can
turn out to like ruin your life. And it happened
to this guy, this whole couple. Like I mean, think
about this, like you're you're you're in a couple, and
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you have two little babies and you're looking forward to
your life and then all of a sudden, one of
your babies is dead, and and the guy's in jail,
like it's just terrible, and he feels I mean, he
feels terrible about it. It's not that that I mean,
that has to be the worst thing. It's like when
you when you kill your kid because you're being neglectful
and not actually intending to do it. I mean, it's
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he's going to get punished for it, But I just
hope it could teach other people not to do things
like that.
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay, so this next story has to do with a
hospital losing a piece of a person's skull.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So this hospital allegedly lost a chunk of a patient's
skull and then thought they could make up for it
by offering her a twenty five dollars gas gift card.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like what, who did? How did this happen?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Like, all right, let's talk about what happened. So she
had a stroke, went to the hospital, and they did
a procedure on her called a dig compressive right hemicranyactomy.
So sometimes when you have a stroke or any kind
of brain injury, your brain swells right, and your brain
is in this hard shell of a skull, and there's
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barely any space for it to swell. So like let's say,
for example, someone hits your arm with a baseball bat
and it gets really swollen. Like your arm could swell
pretty big because there's a lot of room for it
to get bigger, but your brain doesn't really have anywhere
to go. So when this happens, when you go to
the hospital, they cut out a chunk of your skull
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in order for the brain to be able to swell
and get bigger. And then once the swelling goes down,
they put that piece of the skull back on and
put little plates on it to keep it on, and
all is good. They want to do that. They want
to use the patient's actual skull because it fits in
there like a puzzle number one, it fits perfect number two.
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It's your own tissue. It's not a foreign body. And
as we talk about multiple times on this show, when
you have any kind of a foreign body placed into
your body because of surgery, there's a chance that your
body is going to attack it because it doesn't like
foreign materilla in your body, and you could get a
lot of complications because of that. So usually what they
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do is they take out this during the craniotomy, which
just means cutting into the skull. They take out this
piece of skull and they put it somewhere like in
in a special freezer. Sometimes they do something really weird,
which is they cut an incision in the abdomen and
they stick it under the person's skin and just leave
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it there. It's really really weird. They didn't do that
with her obviously. They they send it wherever they're going
to normally send it, and it got lost and switched
with another person's specimen somehow, which listen like, I've worked
in elab my half of my life, and like it happens. Unfortunately,
it's not often.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, and they also said the patient had a similar name. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I mean, like listen, like just shit happens sometimes and
it gets really crazy in the ors sometimes. But we've
had times where we got specimens from the operating room
that were labeled wrong. So whatever happened, Like, we got
skull caps in pathology fairly often. I mean, we had
a neuroscience building attached to our hospitals, so sometimes we
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got things. But you know, we would keep them and
we would just do a gross exam of them, so
we would look at them and describe them, measure them,
say if they were normal. Sometimes they had plates attached
to them, sometimes not, and then we would just put
them in the refrigerator and just you know, we kept
them there or whatever. So we weren't and we would
keep them for like a while, for a month or
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something before we would get rid of them, right, So
I guess in that situation though, when there's a switch up,
you just don't know whose is what. It just it
just could cause a lot of problems. So they just said, Okay,
you're just going to have to get a foreign body,
and luckily like that's available, so it's not the end
of the world. Sometimes people just can't get their bone
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replaced anyway, so they have these this foreign like titanium plate.
Remember Uncle Eddie and Christmas vacation, like knocking on his head, right, Yeah,
he had a plate over the top of his head,
So you could do that. But then, like I said,
there's just an increased risk of having infections and having
it not fit properly and and just like different things
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like that, and of course your body rejecting it. But
there's plenty of people that have titanium plates that are fine, right,
So I guess I guess the weird part of this
story really is that they did they did mess up,
and they did admit to it, and they were just like,
all right, well, we're just gonna give you this guess
card for your troubles kind of thing. And I don't know,
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like the titanium is like luckily she could have the
whole cover, but it's not the same as the bone.
And since they threw out the bone and mixed it
up with another patient, I don't really know what lawsuit
they're gonna have unless she can prove that she has
lasting effects because of this. So let's say she gets
the titanium plate and it doesn't her body rejects it
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and she has like recurrent infections and abscesses and stuff
like that. Then she could do and be like I've
had all this needless surgery and pain and suffering, plus
you know, all of my additional medical bills. But like,
if she gets this done and never has a problem again,
I don't really see, Like I don't see the lawsuit,
but but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm not saying this is acceptable.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I understand the switching of body parts right, and that
there could be a mix up.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What I can't.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Understand is whose decision it was to give a twenty
five dollars gas gift card, because like, not only is
that so rando, but like also twenty five dollars gets
you like half a tank of gas, depending where you live.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It's really it's more I don't think I don't think
it matters where you live at this point. I think
it that's unreasonable to twenty five dollars will fill it
out a tank of like a motorcycle.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I feel the offering of the gift card was more
offensive than if they just didn't offer them anything.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, like who is on their their hospitality board at
that hospital because they're certainly should get fired. They're the
ones that should get fired for this. So yeah, I mean,
like I understand completely suing a hospital and everything if
there's a major mix up that can that really affects
a person's life or especially kills a person. But in
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this particular situation, I feel, I don't know, I don't
know that it's one hundred percent necessary. It just it
seems like more newsworthy because of the the gift.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's so rather offense.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It really is like they I mean, they have to
tell the patient because they're they're putting in this, they're
putting in a foreign thing. But listen, like there's been
a couple times that we've gotten some big screw ups
on specimens in the labs that I've worked at, and
I'm sure that there's conversations that have to go on
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with people that you have to tell them what happened, right,
And I don't know how they handle it because you know.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Okay, So a family issuing a mortuary after they gave
the family this bag which the family believed was their
son's clothes, only to discover it was his brain. When
they emptied the bag into their washing machine.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean, this is just this is beyond incompetence.
I don't know where because this is like not a
weird situation. So the son died and the father said, Okay,
I don't want him to be buried in what he's wearing.
I want to bring something else for you to put
on him, which is that happens all the time, right.
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They hand him a bag with his belongings in it,
which is also standard. We do it at the hospital too,
Like if a person comes in the hospital wearing clothes
and stuff and they die, you know, they're not a
hospital patient. They haven't even had time to see their
family or anything. We get a bag of belongings that
we send along with them to the funeral home. This
is like totally standard stuff. Where it gets crazy is
(28:34):
that they hand the family a red biohazard bag and
tell them this is the this is your son's clothes.
This is exactly why red biohazard bags are red bright
red because they should be specifically used for biohazard.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Now they consider the clothes biohazard.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Depending on his exactly, they could potentially I don't know
what they do in a funeral home, but that's I
don't know, I personally would think that you would put
it into a different kind of a bag because I
just I don't think that if they were truly deemed biohazard,
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like technically you shouldn't even really be giving them back
to the patient, right, And I mean, I guess if
a person dies in it, there could be like decomp
juice and fluids and everything like that. But I mean,
I don't know if any of you guys are listening
at our funeral home. I just think that it would
be weird to give a family closed in a biohazard bag.
And and for this reason, so because this is how
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this terrible mix up happened. So they didn't even think
anything of it because they didn't even know that their son.
They knew he had an autopsy, but they didn't even
know that they examined his brain. So the dad had
just not thought of it. And you get this bag
and it's in a biohazard bag, and you know that
your son died in it, and they probably any people
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do whatever they want to do to memorize their kid.
Like I personally don't know that I would want to
keep the stuff that was soiled and like wash it
and put it aside. Maybe I don't know, but regardless,
they decided to do that. And he opens the bag
and dumps it into the washing machine and like a
decomposing brain like plops out in his washing machine. Then
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he has to go in his washing machine and scoop
up his son's brain and put it back in the
bag and bring it back to the funeral home. Like,
I'm sorry, but this is just completely out of control.
It's just so out of control on so many levels.
I don't even understand how this happened.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Well, the worst part of this is this is not
even the first story like this we've covered since starting
the show two years ago. I think we've actually had
three that were like this.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, we have, and we've had like but they've gotten
like a container with the brain in it, I mean,
which is just terrible as well. I just think that
this is just like this whole other level of like
just because I know what this looks like to think
about that being your child's It's just it's something this
(31:07):
guy could I mean, like, you ruined the rest of
this guy's life like this, this is something How is
he ever gonna get that out of his mind? That vision? Well,
you know, I mean, it's just absolutely terrible.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You know. It's really discussing too.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Is they're saying they dumped it in the machine and
they didn't know what it was, so they scooped it
back out and put it back in the bag and
brought it back to the funeral home, and that's when
they told them. I mean, they had to have known
what it was, like, well, they knew it was I
don't think they knew it was brain, Like yeah, I mean,
(31:40):
because listen, like a decomposed brain is is it looks
like vomit or soup. It's like a weird gray soup
he called.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Like they had to have known it was something obviously
coming from the body, but they didn't know exactly what
it was. But they're sewing and I think rightfully. So
I mean, this is completely unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, I mean, this is like you just couldn't even
make this up as a story. If you tried, nobody
would believe it. They would just be like, oh, that's
so outrageous. This would never even happen. It's so messed up. Man.
I just I can't. I just feel so terrible for
this father, I really do. I mean, listen, like you
should never be bearing your children anyway, So it's already
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just like heart wrenching to have to do something like this.
I don't even they don't even really say how old
the guy was or why he died or anything, right
at least in this particular article, but like, who cares
you're burying your son. It's definitely like one of the
worst days, if not the worst day of your life
as it is, and no person should ever have to
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be holding their child's brain matter in their hand. Like
the smell of it, the sight of it, the knowledge
of it, I mean, all of it is just so awful.
It's just so so awful traumatic, just so traumatic.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
Happy holidays. Guys, thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in paththology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
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