On today’s MKD, we cover the unusual case of a kidnap survivor who had his penis chopped off.
In celebrity news, we discuss Ewan McGregor's stalker and new developments in the Johnny Gaudreau case.
Turning to freak accidents and true crime, we discuss the dangers of energy drinks, a boy who swallowed toy magnets, and a human torso discovered in a floating suitcase.
Lastly, in medical and other death news, we talk about brain microplastics, a woman who gave birth in a Krispy Kreme parking lot, a body found in the passenger seat of a car, and a mother caught pushing her dead daughter around in a shopping center.
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk
Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get
started with the story of the day. So back in
twenty twelve, this guy, Michael and his roommate Mary were
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kidnapped from their home in Newport Beach. So the kidnappers
had blindfolded them, tied them up, and drove them one
hundred and forty miles away into the Mojave Desert. They
told Mary if she cooperated, they wouldn't hurt her, but
then proceeded to absolutely torture Michael. They were horribly torturing
him with a blowtorch, a taser, and then eventually they
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put a zip tie around his penis and cut it off.
Who did this to him? So this Michael guy owned
this really successful weed, this entry, and there was this
rumor flying around that he was hiding money in this desert.
And so this guy orchestrated with these two people he
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met in high school to unfoil this like kidnapping plot
and take him out there and try to interrogate him
until he admitted where the money was. But it wasn't true,
so of course he never gave up the information because
there was no information to give up. What the fuck?
Could you imagine how scary that must have been for
these people to get kidnapped out of their house. No,
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and basically after they're torturing them and everything, the people
are laughing the entire time, and then like idiots, left
a knife when they finally left them alone in the desert,
but they were clearly leaving them out there to die.
So the roommate Mary ends up getting the knife and
she was able to at least cut her feet free,
so she ran out to the road, and by the
grace of God, this cop is like on this road
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and finds her, and then she's like, my roommate's bleeding
out in the middle of the desert. They find him,
and it was just an absolute mess. And this was
going on for years. After this, they figured out this
guy named Huzane Nieri orchestrated the entire thing because he
thought there was like a million dollars hidden in the desert,
which there wasn't. Fucking moron. He fled to Iran. They
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had to get his wife to trick him into coming
back to California so they could arrest him. It was interesting,
so does that mean that in California they're not able
to communicate with people there to get him to go
back to the United States, Like they actually had to
have a civilian manipulate him in order to get him
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to go back. Well, I think every country has different
extradition if that's a correct rule. It's just it's just
to me, like, I understand there's certain crimes, but this
is attempted murder and kidnapping. It's a really serious crime.
I'm surprised that. Well, I think it's it's up to
the country that the person is in whether they're going
to extradite them or not back over here. So I
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don't know if they were having issues with that, but
I mean, they couldn't get him back. They had his wife.
I don't remember exactly what went down. This whole story
is really detailed in Matt Murphy's book, and I guess
the new specials coming out about it, which is why
it's in the news now. But they had to have
this woman get him back over here so they could
arrest him. Then when he's in jail awaiting trial, he
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escapes through event with two other prisoners. He was on
the run for a week, so that must have been
really scary for the victims and everybody else involved. But yeah,
he was finally prosecuted, and what a fucking mess. And
the guy never got like the penis is done. He
never It's not like they were able to reattach it
like in some of the other cases we talked about. Oh,
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that's the craziest part is that they don't even know
where the penis is. That's not like they found it
and brought it back to the hospital. It's it's just gone,
which is really fucking weird. The whole thing is weird actually,
because even if you were going to kidnap and torture
someone to leave them for dead, like, why would you
touch the penis? It's fucking weird. It's very weird, especially
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if you really have this grand conspiracy that they have
all this money hidden. I don't think that's the way
you're gonna give get somebody to give up the information
or the goods. I just think this is ridiculous. I mean,
this story is so involved it's insane, and all the
players this mutter plot sounds like a cartoon where you're
you're tying the people up and you don't really want
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them to die. What movie is it where where? Oh,
it's like, uh Austin Powers where he just Scott keeps
saying to the dad like, hey, if you really want
to kill Austin Powers, like I'll just shoot him right
now and we'll take care of it. And he was
he's just like making up all these crazy plots in
order to get rid of the guy instead of just
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doing it the easy way. Like you're cutting off someone's penis, right,
and there are lots of arteries in the penis, but
they're pretty little, so it's not going to cause someone
to bleed to death at least for a really long time.
I don't know if these people are shocked that these
two ended up surviving. It just sounds ridiculous, right, Like
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we're gonna just leave this knife here. If you could
reach it, then you could cut off the ties around
your ankles. And it's just so crazy. It's just a
really gruesome crime for something. I mean, you shouldn't do it,
even if this guy does have money hidden in the desert,
But think about how ridiculous that statement is to think
somebody's hiding money in the desert, and then you don't
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even have solid proof that that's happening, and you take
these horrendous steps to torture these people and it's all
for nothing. It's completely idiotic. Yeah, and you know, on
top of just cutting off someone's penis is devastating emotionally,
it's also painful too. But then they were pouring bleach
on the wounds, which just destruct the tissue around it.
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You know, it's a really basic or it has a
really high pH of a solution that could leave chemical burns.
But I don't know if you've ever just been cleaning
and got bleach and of an open wound, it freaking
burns really bad. And imagine having this open penisle wound
and having bleach pored in it. It's just so disturbing.
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And I was thinking about this too because I've been
out in that desert recently and there's never cars around.
There could be hours before cars go by. So think
about how really you said, by the grace of God,
that this cop so happened to be driving down the road,
Because usually if you're in the desert at night, you're
in the desert and there's no one to help you.
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It's just it's just such a crazy story. It's unbelievable.
If I'm remembering correctly too. I feel like in Matt's book,
he said when the guy escaped from prison that he
had a picture of him laying on the bed when
they realized he was missing. So there's that whole added
extra level of fear that like, oh shit, the victims,
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the people that turned him in, you know, the now
ex wife that helped get him back over here, and
now he's going over after the league that's trying to
prosecute him. I would never want that job. You know.
Remember somebody we know bought a house that was formerly
owned by a judge, and she was saying people were
just showing up to the house thinking the judge still
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lived there. Oh yeah, I've heard that before. Some that
happened to some person that lived around in my neighborhood too.
It's just it's so outrageous when that happens. It is
something to think about though, that it's funny because there
was a house that's for sale right now that looks
awesome that there is someone like that that owned it,
and now to think about it, it's like, no, that
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would just be a dumb idea to even look at
a house like that. You know, I wonder if you
have to disclose that you had a job like that
because of the potential of threats that would come here
with I don't know, I don't Okay, celebrity news. We
have some pretty interesting celebrity news this week. So back
in twenty twenty two, you and McGregor started getting hundreds
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of crazy messages from this woman. She was threatening him
and then suggesting that his new wife had stolen him
away from her, But meanwhile he's like, who are you right?
So over time the messages progressively got more threatening, and
then this past Christmas Eve, she showed up at his
ex wife's house while he and his family were celebrating Christmas.
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Super stalking scary. I know, stalkerser is the scariest thing, right, Yeah,
I really do think so. And luckily they had a
security gate and she was being really weird on the
outside of it, so of course they didn't let her in,
and then I guess they pieced together that it was
this woman. They were saying that she was like documenting
her entire journey from Michigan to California to pay the
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unexpected visit, and so that just happened. At the end
of twenty twenty four, so since this started in twenty
twenty two, Ewan is saying that she sent over five
hundred emails or messages between him, his friends, and his
family that were threatening him, suggesting that she wanted to
have children with him, but she said, don't worry. I
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don't need your dick, I just your balls, so I
could do IVF what is on in people's The thing
is is that stalkers a lot of the times. Most
of the time they have some kind of either underlying
personality disorder like narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder,
and some of them also have diagnosable mental illness like schizophrenia, bipolar.
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It sounds like she is having severe delusions right off
the bat, just by you saying that she doesn't. She
thinks that the wife stole him away from her and stuff.
I mean you and McGregor is quite a fine specimen,
or at least he used to be, so I understand
the attractiveness that she has towards him. But when you
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hear about stories of people with stalkers, it is really terrifying.
And think about how lucky ew and McGregor is to
have a gate around his house. And be fortunate enough
to have security and stuff, but this happens. They estimate
a year that three point four million people just in
the United States alone are stalked on over the age
of eighteen. I mean that that is terrifying because that
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most of those people don't have the means to keep
people away that are acting crazy like this. Yeah, and
you don't have to be a celebrity to be stocked.
I mean it happens to regular people all the time. Yeah,
and it's really scary. It really is scary, and it's
scary for everyone around too, because when you know, there's
always things that happen, like a girlfriend and a boyfriend
could break up or whatever. But then when the person
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is just not getting the hint kind of even if
it's a friend that's too close or anything, it starts
to become alarming and you're never really safe and you
don't know what's going through that person's head. It's just terrifying. Like,
if you're not responding to people or engaging in conversation
when they're reaching out constantly to you, I think it's
time to take the hint that maybe they don't want
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to talk to you. One of the other delusions she
was having with Last October, she had said in one
of her messages that she believed the movie The Da
Vinci Could was giving her a secret message from quote
the Illuminati, saying that she was a princess. Yeah, she's
just completely out of her mind. She also was referencing
Dexter a sniper. She was considered a sniper rifle she
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was considering buying. But he's been now granted a temporary
restraining order, which I'm sure will definitely turn into a
permanent retract Why is it temporary like well, I think
because it's an emergency one and it takes a little
bit longer to get the permit. Like an emergency. Any
kind of restraining order is just is just a piece
of paper that's not going to stop a psycho. I mean,
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he's just lucky that he could have armed security around
them at all times. So she can't with this restraining order,
she can't go near him, his wife, his five kids,
or his ex wife. She has to say at least
one hundred yards away from them, and she can't contact
them or harass them in any way. But we see
this all the time. It was a possibility to get
within one hundred yards of you and McGregor. You know, like,
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I guess you can figure it out. This is a
has some ideas here. This is why celebrities are always
buying houses under LLCs and stuff, because they like don't
want you knowing where they live because you could just
google it and find it so easy. So I'm sure
like the Phillies players, for example, love when they take
the effort to buy their houses under LLCs, and then
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these real estate websites are like blowing up their spot
giving out their addresses. Well, I just came across an
Instagram account the other day that had this guy just
going to all of the fronts of all of these
famous people's houses and just showing what it's like to
drive up the street to get to their house and
what the front landscaping looks like and everything, and most
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of these people have a gate. But I'm thinking, just
you're putting these people's names with their houses. How is
this even publicly avaluable information? I guess it is because
a lot of the houses that he shows, I know,
belong to these people, but he's actually kind of showing
how to get there. He blurs out their exact number
on their house but really, if you just drive around
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you could figure it out, or you're just looking at
other landmarks around. You know. It's just freaking scary, man,
it really is scary. And his kids shouldn't have had
to go through that terror right before CHRISTI right, Like
they're worried about sand and shit, and then they have
to worry about this. It's so terrible. Yeah, all right,
So the guy that killed Johnny and Matthew Gudreau is
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now saying that they were drunker than he was the
night he hit them, so he wants to have his
indicted his indictment thrown out. All right. I hate to
say this because I was so upset about this case.
I still am really upset about this case, and I
think that the driver is a total douchebag, but I
kind of think he has a point in this situation.
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His apparently his blood alcohol level was point zero eight seven,
which is just over the legal limit. But Johnny's was
point one two nine and his brothers was point one
three four, which is very significant. Okay, I'm gonna and say,
if a sober person hit them, I think yes, you
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can argue they were definitely drunk while on a bicycle.
And they could have easily swerved in front of the
person causing the wreck. But I still and I still
understand that in this case, but that guy was still
drunk and still hit them also, So like you can't
get off for it because you still also did it
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and you were also intoxicated. I understand that. But when
there's no cameras and there's no witnesses at the scene
and everything, the I don't think that the accident could
be one hundred percent put on him when the other
party was also drunk. No, I think he should still.
I mean, he's he's facing up to sixty years in
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prison for this, So you have to understand from from
their perspective, he could have he shouldn't have been driving drunk,
even though he was kind of barely just over the limit.
I don't think anybody should drink. We've had this conversation
multiple times, but these these two guys, we were drunk.
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And it's it's a weird thing because in New Jersey
it's not against the law to drive a bicycle while intoxicated.
You could get in trouble for disorderly conduct. But so
maybe this is an eye opener that those types of
laws need to change, especially when bicycle riders are driving
in the street, because what if he was completely sober
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and they did drive in front of him. That's not
fair to the person, but that hits That's the conversation. Though,
If he got pulled over and hit them by accident
and they prove this, I think he's not going to
go to jail at all. But he was still drunk
driving and therefore hit and killed them. So I understand that,
but I think maybe he won't get as severe as
a sentence with that information being brought to light, But
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he still needs to be punished for drunk driving and
taking the lives of two people, whether they caused the
rec or not, because he was still impaired. Well, and
this is why, this is why you don't do that, right,
I mean, he was barely over the legal limit, so
in all honesty, he could have especially because he's an alcoholic,
right or he has a history of being an alcoholic.
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That probably did not do much to him to be driving,
to be honest with you, but because because of the
law and everything, I understand that. But according to the
blood alcohol chart which I looked at, so I looked
up with the weight of Johnny Gudreau was and it
says that he's one hundred and fifty pounds. So there's
charts done compared to how much people weigh and how
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much they drank and how long it takes. And so
we're talking about having one drink, right, So one drink
could be a twelve ounce beer, ten ounces of micro beer,
or a wine cooler, eight ounces of malt liquor four
ounces of wine, or one point twenty five ounces of
an eighty proof hard alcohol. So that's what would be
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considered one drink. Here a person that weighs one hundred
and fifty pounds in order to achieve a blood alcohol
level that they had at the time of the accident,
that they would have to have six or seven drinks
that I just described within one hour of measuring a
blood alcohol level of that high. It's significant to think
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about that. I'm not saying they were in the right
being on the bikes and being that drunk, but we
can't just like I feel like, you know, they made
a point to say he wasn't trying to get off
completely necessarily and he wasn't trying to throw them under
the bus. But like you're bringing up the point, and
I understand you want to do anything to help your case,
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but you were still in the wrong as well, so
he was not a completely sober person that this was
just an accident and they may have caused it. Like
two wrongs don't make a right. Let's say this for example.
You know how some I didn't even tell you this,
Actually no, I did. About the nursing home. The old
person from the nursing home on one thirty that got
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killed the other day. I don't think that place is
a nursing home. I think it's just a senior apartment building.
Well whatever, it's a ninety year old person ended up
in the middle of the highway basically and got killed.
So the person that killed them, I don't even know
what would happened or whatever. But like, let's just say,
because I drive that road every single day to pick
the kids up for school, Like, let's just say that
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was me, right, I hit the person. It's it's just
like a plea accident because there's a human being in
the middle of a street where people are driving sixty
miles an hour. Right, But like let's say I had
four beers and my blood alcohol was slightly over it's
still it's it's wrong that you're drinking and driving, for sure,
and you're breaking the law. But like, also, there shouldn't
be a human in the middle of a road that's
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going ninety miles an hour away. There shouldn't. But if
you were sober, you might have been able to get
around the situation. That's but also the bike riders would
have been able to get out of a situation too.
So I'm just saying that by I personally think that
both people are at fault with this new information coming
to light, and I think that really the bike lawns
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should change because if you're if you're sharing the road,
then both parties have to be semi responsible, you know
what I mean. Yeah, And I understand what you're saying.
I'm just saying, like his whole case cannot be thrown
out because they were drunk, because he is still responsible
because he did it and he was also drunk, So like, yes,
maybe he should get less time with that, but like
the whole entire case can't just be thrown out. Okay.
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Freak accidents in Texas, This twenty year old girl had
a couple of SIPs of an energy drink before working
out and then a couple of minutes later collapsed on
the floor. Okay, guys, so I have this this journal
article written. I've had it saved aside because it's it's
really it's really crazy, just because you know, every single
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person drinks these energy drinks, and this this journal paper
is called called The Dark Side of Energy Drinks, a
comprehensive review and their impacts on the human body. And
it is alarming to read this paper because it gives
you how many milligrams of caffeine or in every drink
like popular drinks that you see in the store, And
then it gives you a whole entire list of people
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who have had either adverse reactions, severe injury, and or
death from these drinks and what drink they had and
what caused it. And we think, okay, there's caffeine in it.
It's the same as coffee. But normally when people drink coffee,
there's seventy seven to one hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine,
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whereas these drinks can go anywhere from fifty to five
hundred and five milligrams of caffeine, which would make them
triple three times as much more caffeine in some of
these drinks than a cup of coffee, and you're seeing
these injuries a lot in twenty year old people because
most people throughout their life, we don't hear too much
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about caffeine because if you just drink coffee and stuff,
it's less likely to happen. But because you're having such
a high dose of it. And also the problem is
is that caffeine is a legal stimulant. But it's okay
in a cup of coffee, but if you're putting three
times that amount in a drink, that's when it becomes
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not okay for a lot of people. And in this case,
she ended up going into cardiocacgress, which means her heart
stop three different times or four different times, actually sorry.
She went to the hospital. She was put on life support,
including Ekmo, which is a machine that helps circulate your blood,
dialysis which helps her kidneys, because she had kidney failure
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and she was on a machine to help her breathe
as well. But luckily they were able to save her life.
She was a fit person. She was at the gym,
she was doing deadlifts and she said that she had
a third of an energy drink, just one third, So
do you think that she had pre existing heart things
that she didn't know about, and that's kind of what
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set it off. Or you shouldn't be having these type
of drinks before getting your heart going while exercise. It's
not necessarily, it's just that they can. They could change
your heart rate and your heartbeat, they increase blood pressure.
There's just different things that it could rarely do, but
it could cause something called ventricular fibrillation, which is it
makes your heart beat abnormal. And this could happen and
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someone that is considered to be a healthy person. That's
why it's so scary. Now, the good news is is
that most of these severe injuries and deaths like this
one is more of a freak accident, which is why
it's in the freak accident category. But once once you
read this paper, it is it's alarming to see that
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a lot of these injuries were caused by people drinking
six and seven of these drinks in a row and
then having their heart stop. Like I can't even imagine
that people are actually doing this. But a lot of
the cases, you had one here and there that was, oh,
this was the first time a person had a caffeine
and drink, which think about this. I mean, drinking your
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first cup of coffee could give you an accelerated heart rate.
If you're drinking one that has three times as much,
of course you're going to have a problem. But definitely
in this paper it really emphasized. It was a lot
of younger men and the most injuries I saw were
Number one, drinking like red Bull and vodka together. That
was a big one. Well, actually, when we learn about
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when we do RAMP certification for bartending and serving alcohol drinks,
you have to serve less drinks with coffee like espresso, martinis,
or drinks with Red Bull or any energy drinks in them,
because they are substantially more dangerous than just a regular
mixed drink. Yeah, so it's interesting, right though, that was
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a lot of the injuries, and then, like I said,
just having multiple pounding them, pounding them. They're scary. And
the worst part is is that they sell them just
in the fridge at seven eleven and wah wah, you
could just a kid could go buy it. My kid
could buy it if they want to, if they're in
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the store. There was this one that was really prime
or something that some YouTuber all the kids this summer
were into. And then there were ones that were just
flavored water kind of thing, and the other ones were
these energy drinks. Well, everybody's really into celsius right now,
which I've never tried. But the people I know that
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drink it are obsessed with it, like they will have
multiple in a day. What is it? It's an energy d
I don't know if I've ever heard of it. I'd
see it at the grocery store, but it is this
obsession people have. And like back in my day, in
my early twenties, red Bull was this shit and everybody
liked that Red Bull. Red Bull is nothing compared to
some of these other ones. Like red Bull has one
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hundred and sixty milligrams of half in in it, which
is just a little bit more than the strongest cup
of coffee. But there's some that have hundreds. It's it's
outrageous that that they even sell these. They almost should
be regulated by the government in a way. And you're
hearing this more and more. Remember, we covered a case,
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it probably was a year ago at this point, of
a person that had one of those energy drinks at
Panera bread and died a young person or oh yeah,
they died. They actually died, right, Yeah, I believe so.
I also so like when I was a teenager and
stuff like Monster was really huge, and then in my twenties,
I mean, red Bull had been around for a long time,
but it was you tried red Bull. Yeah, I used
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to drink it all the time when I was working
at the bar because I did, I don't mind the
taste of it, and it would help me out. Like say,
I say I tasted it. I was. I'll never forget
I was. I was at ACME and I and I
tasted it in the parking lot because I was like,
what's the big deal? And I just, I like threw
it up all over in the parking Oh. I just
thought it was the grossest tasting thing ever. The original
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flavor is really gross, but they made this orange one
that's actually really delicious. But like I used to drink that.
I mean, I don't. I don't thank that shit anymore.
I wish I knew that. I haven't had it since
I was in my early twenties, but I used to
drink it a lot because you know, the coffee shops
were clothes and stuff, and I was working till three
o'clock in the morning. And they sold them at CBS
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and everything, so you could just go in and grab one. Okay,
let's get on to this little kid injury. I feel
like we're just going to have this story in the
entire run of this podcast over and over and over again.
These magnetic beads and the water beads too, are just
constantly causing problems with the kids. In this case, this
little boy wanted to pretend he had a tongue piercing
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and tried to put one of these magnetic balls on
the top of his tongue and underneath of his tongue,
but because of how strong they were, they grabbed together
and shot into the back of his throat and he
swallowed them. It's cold that this kid went up to
his mom right away and was like, oh shit, I
did something really bad, because I feel like most kids
would be scared that they would get in trouble and
just wouldn't say anything. No, definitely not so Luckily the
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mom knew right away took them to the hospital right away,
and also luckily the two magnets ended up sticking together
before he swallowed him. Because if you just swallow one
of these magnets, it's not that big of a deal,
you'll just poop it out. But in this case, if
you have one or more, they could actually especially if
they're not together, they could cause parts of the bow
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to stick together and cause an obstruction. So if you
think about we always talk about this, think about the
GI track as being a tube like a hose. If
you have one magnet on one end of it and
one a little bit lower, those two magnets can end
up sticking together and kinking the hose, which would make
food not be able to pass through. It would cause
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an obstruction, which could then rupture. Think if you can't
get water through a hose, what happens It eventually bursts.
The same thing will happen to your colon or small intestine,
and you kids have died from this. It's so bad
actually in emergency rooms. They've reported it so much that
they ban these things. A lot of brands of them
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are off the market because the manufacturers aren't following the
rules as far as how strong they're making them, and
that they're they're enticing the children to stick in their mouth.
Of course they are. And the craziest part of this
is after they see that they're in his stomach and
the x ray they did at the hospital, They're like,
(28:32):
you have to keep him away from other magnetic things
until they naturally pass so it doesn't risk them moving around.
So this mom said she had bought this for him
a couple years ago and then he was just playing
with it. I think it was either this past year
or the year before that when the big band happened
that they're not really supposed to have these anymore. Which
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but they're back, remember we were They're back. I just
saw them. I just saw them when we were in
Cape May. We were in some gift shop and I
saw them and I was just like, dude, look these
are for salve right here. I thought you weren't allowed
to buy these things anymore. But that's what it's important
to just tell parents that maybe once in a while
go on the product in a safety consumer website and
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just see if any toys that your kids are playing
with or recalled, because you're gonna be shocked to see,
you know, especially they're all from China, all of them
that are recalled all the time, you know, and you're
gonna be shocked to see, Oh, you went on Amazon
two years ago and got your kid the latest thing,
and then you put it away and then they find
it years later, and here you come to find out
(29:37):
that it's dangerous and shouldn't be in your house. Yeah,
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for the month. Okay, true Crime. Well thanks Lauren for
sending this one over this morning. But last night, New York,
this boat was in the East River, right outside of Manhattan.
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They came across a suspicious suitcase in the water. I
guess it is really unusual when a suitcase is just
floating on the water, so of course, you know, they
have to alert authorities. So the New York Police Department
Harbor Unit sent to the scene. They retrieved the suitcase,
and when they opened it, they found a human torso inside.
I love that. In the article, it says that the
(31:25):
death is being investigated. They know it's a man and
they're thinking it might be suspicious, but they have not
yet classified it as a homicide. Well, how the fuck
does a torso just end up in a suitcase? I'd
like to know. There's you know, whenever we have a
case like this, I always try to think, like, Okay,
maybe this was an accident. There's just no there's no
other possibility in this particular case, so it's definitely a homicide.
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I can't imagine anyone. There's no person that sells human
torsos in a suitcase for a living and is traveling
like what, there's no reason, there's no accident that would
cause that. Well, well, let's say the person died of
natural causes. Somebody still cut up their body and put
it in the suitcase. There is still a crime happening here.
There's steps. Yeah, I get, And I guess you could
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say that that there's technically that wouldn't be considered a homicide.
But just really, if someone died from natural causes, why
would you ever do that? I mean, I guess weirder
things have been done or whatever, But just I'm curious
to see how this is going to go. Plus, like
where's the dude's head, where's the dude's limbs? Like are
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they going to wash up later? I don't know. So
when this happens, they just bring the remains to the emmy,
Like with the airplane, they just bring the remain to
the emmy and then they just have to kind of
work backwards to try to identify the perse. Yeah, and
it might be really difficult because we don't really hear
anything else. All you hear is a torso. But I'm
sure it's unless it just freshly died. It's decomposed, it's
(32:54):
been in the water, and then you have to deal
with all that damage. So and there's no head, there's
no teeth, which is difficult for identification, so they probably
are going to have to do DNA. There's no fingerprints,
you know what I mean, Like it's kind of a male.
It's well, yeah, that's easy to determine yet most of
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the time anyway, Yeah, I mean that that's all they
could say. They and they'll be even when they do
the X rays and everything. They can actually age people
and figure out what age range they are based upon
the development of their bones and just by the appearance.
Although the appearance of the body is not just going
to look like a person that just died because of
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all of I said, decomposed and stuff like that, But
they'll be able to figure it out. They're a good
medical examiner's office. They'll figure it out. It's so cool.
They could figure out whole old people are based on
their bones, So it's an exact science. But yeah, I mean,
there's certain things that you wouldn't you wouldn't see for example,
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if you had if you looked at bones and you
saw in their shoulders or their humoral heads and their
and their fhemeral heads or their hips, you saw a
lot of changes that were associated with osteoarthritis. It's not
that it's impossible for younger people to get that, but
if you see changes like that and all of the bones,
you could definitely tell that a person is older. And
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just with the growth plates and everything like that, they
could tell. They could definitely tell the difference between twenty
year olds and seventy year olds. And yeah, it's it's
pretty cool and obviously child versus adult. So it just
gives them like more of an estimate and a narrowed
down but ultimately the DNA should help the most in
that case. Yeah, okay, medical news. So, in new studies
(34:46):
found that levels of microplastics found in the human brain
are higher than levels found in other organs. I know
this is a topic that's been coming up a lot
in recent years, but this shock, this study's pretty shocking. Right. So,
a microplastic is something that is considered to be less
than five millimeters in size, but there's been an alarming
(35:07):
video that's been going around the internet just showing examples
of how you can do this, and one of them
is by the cutting board. Like when you cut the
cutting board and the knife is cutting against the plastic,
it makes those fine little pieces of plastic. And that's
just one example of the many. You know, as I
was writing this up this afternoon, I'm eating my asie
(35:29):
bullet that is in a plastic container with a plastic spoon.
It's just every single person is always using these things
all the time, with water bottles and this and that.
Which is actually funny with the water bottle situation because
when I was a kid, there was no such thing
as bottled water, and then all of a sudden it
was like, you can't drink tapwater. It's so dangerous. And
(35:50):
now they're telling you to drink tap water again, but
filter it. But then I read that those pfas are
the highest in those Brita fielders and stuff. So you
just go back back and forth of like, what the
hell is the safest thing for me to do right
right now? Right because this is what happens. They tell
you this is not safe, and then whatever, So now
(36:12):
we have this problem that they're finding all of these
little pieces of plastic in people's brains. And they did
this really cool study where they took brain samples from
twenty eight autopsies from twenty and sixteen and twenty four
autopsies from twenty and twenty four, and they saw these
microplastics in all of the brains. But the most alarming
(36:35):
thing was that they saw so much more in the
brains from twenty and twenty four as opposed to the
brains in twenty and sixteen, which is alarming. And the
reason this is of concern is because they're not one
hundred percent sure what causes microplastics to be a problem
for human pathology, but they think that it could trigger
(36:58):
inflammation and can disrupt the organunction. And one of the
most striking things to come out of studies like this
is that there were ten times the amount of these
plastics in brains with people with dementia. And that's what
everyone I mean, that's one of my biggest fears is
something like that happening as an adult. So if they
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could somehow come up with a correlation that this is
causing this, that would be that would be awesome. But
I think that really like every single time you see
one of these studies, you really have to start thinking, like,
how can I reduce my use of plastic because it's
not good? Yeah, because I guess my first question was
(37:42):
how are they even getting into your body? But just
even having the cutting board example, makes so much sense.
And now I'm sitting here like I need to order
all wood cutting forwards or something. Well one of the things,
one of the things they're saying is that because of
all the plastics that are used just in irrigation of
farmland and stuff, that it could be possible that cows,
(38:05):
for example, are eating this. They're grazing on land that
has been used with this plastic contained water. Basically they're
eating it. Then their manure is being recycled back into
the environment, so it could be coming from that. They're
also saying it could be coming from just inhaling it
and going up your nose right into your brain. They
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just think it's curious that it's going into the brain
because there is this thing called a blood brain barrier
which prevents a lot of things from getting into your brain.
So when things can get through that barrier, they're starting
to be concerned and figure out how they get there. Yeah,
it's definitely really fascinating. I know this topic has been
coming up a lot especially. I was seeing a lot
(38:47):
of articles in the last year about it, like, you know,
them finding a large quantity and like a uterus or
something or other words. Oh yeah, they've seen them in
other organs, placentas, which placentas are alarming to because they's
such a temporary organ you only have them for nine months, right, Yeah,
but they're they're saying that most people are consuming five
(39:10):
grams of microplastics a week, which they say is equivalent
to the weight of a credit card. It's insane. Imagine
following a credit card a week. What were they saying?
They said, on average the brain sample study contains seven
grams of microplastics, which is roughly the same weight as
the average plastic spoon. Yeah, so imagine a plastic spoon
just being in your brain. I'm actually curious how they
(39:32):
retrieve these plastics, because because they are so small, if
there's a certain kind of method that they do that
they're able to separate them from the tissue in order
to measure them in this way, I'm really curious about that.
But yeah, this is it's just, you know, because we
drink a lot of bottled water in the house, and
it just makes you think like, eh, like maybe we
(39:54):
should stop doing that, especially with the children, you know. Well,
they also said the most common was polyethyl which is
most commonly found in bottles and cups, which you were
touching on a little bit. And I'm thinking of, you know,
like every morning when I go out and get a coffee,
I'm also waiting. I drink so much club soda all
day out of cans. I'm waiting for them. Oh, there's
(40:15):
already a thing with there's already a thing with the cans. Yeah,
I know, the allumino, Yeah there is. And then it's like, okay,
we're gonna go back to glass. And it's just everything
is such a fucking mess, all right. The next story
is so cute. It's really cute, and it's it's a
nice break. We've had a pretty pretty like harsh couple
of weeks with stories exactly. So there's a found that
(40:36):
in twenty five has been really really terrible for news
for sure. Yeah. So in Alabama, this pregnant woman started
going into labor and heard her boyfriend start driving to
the hospital, but Alabama was facing this historic snowstorm and
the condition on the roads were really poor. So at
some point in their drive, she's like, I can't make
(40:57):
it anymore. I have to pull over. They pull over
in a Krispy Kream parking lot and call nine one one,
and her boyfriend delivers this baby in the Krispy Cream
parking lot in the front seat, while they're four year
olds in the backseat. How traumatizing must that have been?
But I think it's really cool, exactly like which one
for everybody? But the mom is the only one that
(41:19):
was in the amount of pain, But the dad and
the kid were probably more freaked out about it. Yeah,
but Krispy Cream seems quite honored that this happened. They
have been listed as the place of birth on the
birth certificate, which I think is so cool. I love that.
And now they said they're gonna throw him a birthday
party every year. That's that's amazing. Well, so the best
(41:40):
part of the whole entire story is that the mom
is giving the sun the nickname of Glaze, Like, how
fucking hilarious is that? I love awesome. They're also giving
them free donuts for a year, so I think that's
pretty cool. No, I thought they said they were going
to give them a box of donuts every year for
eighteen years or something forever. Week they're throwing him a
(42:01):
party every year for his birthday. They have unlimited free
donuts for this year. Oh yeah, and the mom's like, well,
I might have to give him away or something, because
I do have to get my figure back, because listen,
like seriously, I could dozen I could, like seriously put
down a dozen of glazed donuts like I wouldn't now
(42:22):
because I don't eat gluten, but like back in the day,
you could easily eat like ten of them with no
problem when they're hot, especially like this is a controversial opinion,
but I really like Dunkin Donuts and why to the worst?
Yesterday I got the brownie batter one and I just
ate the filling out of it because that's ridiculous. I
(42:43):
don't know, you could probably find a copycat recipe for that.
I'm gonna look that up and see if I could
find it for you to make it for you. You
should make donuts for the super Bowl on Sunday. Now,
I don't know how to make a good I guess
I could try for a gluten free donut. But I've
never I don't think i've ever had one that was good,
to be honest, they're like a brick agreed. But but
(43:05):
I'll make you just the dip pals that and you
could just eat it out of a bowl. Yeah, can't
you make the dip in? Like I'm making good stuff.
I'm making Listen. I went on multiple lists to see
what to bring to a super Bowl party because everyone
knows that I hate football and have no interest. Right,
but I'm married, so there you go. But I went
(43:26):
in the Super Bowl what, Yeah, I don't. I just
don't care. Anyway, I went on like, what's you know
our girl, uh, the pioneer woman I love? She had
a Yeah, she had like a list of all this stuff.
So I come, I come to I'm making blondie brownies.
I'm making muddy buddies, which are also called puppy chow.
(43:50):
Never heard of that before, but they look they're delicious.
I've heard of muddy buddy. No, I've heard of muddy buddy.
I've never heard them called puppy chow. Oh. But for
those of you that don't know, it's just like a
sweet chuckst mixed kind of situation. It's just sounds. What's
that classic Italian dessert that's like the little fried balls
(44:10):
that has like don perels and the glaze on it.
Can't we make a brownie batter version that? What are
they called? I can't think of that right now. Man,
now I want to snack. Are you getting like a
weird word? That's like, isn't that like a zeppel or something?
I don't know. No, I think a zeppel is fried
(44:30):
dough with powdered sugar. Hold on, I got to look
this up. Italian dessert they're called like scriggl or something something.
It's like an see I was, I was. All our
fellow Italians are probably screaming. No they're not, because they're like,
she's onto it. She the s and the f together. Yeah,
(44:56):
I want those, I like, I know we do, actually
because I have to go get the kids from school. Okay.
Other death news, All right, this is a really weird one.
In Georgia. Police made a traffic stop and when they
pulled over the car, there is just a dead body
in the passenger seat. Yeah, so there's not really much
(45:16):
to report here, I think again, we say with the
cops all the time. What's it like to just pull
over someone and put the flashlight in the car and
be like, yo, your boy, okay over there. The guy
was only twenty one years old, and the driver has
since been released. Until the ongoing investigation, no idea what happened.
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So in this case, at least we could say that
a homicide might not have happened because the guy could
have oweded, the guy could have had a heart. There's
different reasons that there would be a dead body in
someone's car. Maybe the guy was on the way to
drive him the hospital. Who knows, but well, yeah, because
the victim's mother saying that she believes he was conducting
a legal private gun sale with the unidentified driver, they
(46:00):
have also the police have also said they're not going
to make any charging decisions or draw any conclusions until
they review evidence. So the driver is not in custody
right now, and I guess they're going to try to
figure out exactly what led to that point. But all right,
this next story is also odd. A listener sent this
in this morning. So what I'm gathering from all of
(46:22):
this is that this woman and her daughter lived in
this apartment building and since twenty twenty three, neighbors were
reporting a horrible smell, and recently the housing staff tried
to visit her, but she wouldn't let them in, and
after the encounter, she decided to then take her handicapped
daughter out to a local shopping center. But then the
housing staff is following her to the shopping center and
(46:43):
as they're trailing behind her, they realized, there's this horrible
smell because her daughter, who's in this wheelchair is dead.
This is actually a really sad story. She was diagnosed
with something called prolonged grief disorder, and she also had
a brain tumor, so clearly she wasn't thinking correctly. She
didn't ever say how her daughter died, but they don't
(47:05):
believe that she had anything to do with it. Unfortunately,
they did do an autopsy on the girl and they
were not able to determine her cause of death because
she was so decomposed well, and the mom didn't know
exactly when she died. She said it could have been
September of twenty twenty two. Oh yeah, so she was
(47:26):
I mean skeleton, I yeah at that point, but still
had a smell. Clearly, there were no photographs of the girl.
The girl never had a phone or anything. They were
having just like a really hard time just identifying her
and everything. They ultimately identified her through DNA, but they
didn't make this woman go through the inquest trial because
(47:50):
they said that they thought that it would be inhumane
because she was suffering from dis mental health problems, and
also they didn't want her to miss the burial of
her daughter. I thought that was kind of cool because
I feel like here they just put some old lady
in jail for that or something, or like in a
mental institution immediately. Yeah. I mean, this lady needs to
(48:12):
be in a mental institution for sure, but she should
at least be able to be seeing her daughter and everything.
I mean she's eighty years old too, almost so Yeah.
But when they went back to the house to check
it finally, it was covered in feces. It was covered
in all over, like human body fluids, all over the walls,
all over the floor. Can you just imagine living next
(48:35):
door to somebody and smelling something like that all the
time and then getting the confirmation that what you indeed
have been smelling is a dead body decomposing. I mean,
that smell doesn't go away and you just smell it
every day living in your house. This happened with Jeffrey Dahmer.
His neighbors were constantly calling the police saying the house
smelled and they were hearing crazy noises and they blew
(48:55):
them off. And then you find out this like absolutely
horrific thing was going on next door to you, just
on the other side of the wall. How do you
live with that? I don't know, really, it's really disturbing. Okay,
let's move on to questions of the day. Every Friday
on the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account, we put
up a question box in the story and you guys
(49:17):
can ask whatever you want. At autopsy, how can you
differentiate between a blood clot that occurred during life versus
coagulated old blood. Okay, so when you have what is
called a post mortem clot, so after you die, your
blood just kind of sits there and it turns gelatinous.
It has a very specific look. It looks like jelly,
(49:39):
and if it's inside of one of the blood vessels,
you can pull it out very easily. It's not stuck
to the wall at all, and it has something that's
sometimes referred to as chicken fat. That's the appearance of
it that you could see, and it just has a
very distinct look, whereas a true thrombis, which a thrombis
is a blood that would travel and would cause something.
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I mean, the most significant one you would think about
that you're looking for an autopsy is a pulmonary embolism.
When you see that, it has a very distinct appearance
because you could see what's called the lines of zon,
which is when a blood clot forms. You could see
the layers of the platelets and the fibrine and the
blood cells. Everything separates and it makes very perfect layers.
(50:25):
And the most distinguishing feature is that these blood clots
are very they're stuck to the wall of the vessel
so that you can't really easily it just doesn't slide
out like a post mortem clot would. It's very adherent
to the wall there. And oftentimes too because these throng
by are these pulmonary embolisms originate from the veins in
(50:48):
the legs. Sometimes in these particular clots, you could see
the actual valves from the veins in the legs on
the clot. It's really it's a really cool thing that
you could see. I could post photographs of it I
have on Instagram for sure and in the grocer room,
but I could do a specific post showing what those
(51:08):
valves look like, because that also gives it another distinguishing feature.
And then I mean, I think that any good PA
or person that's doing autopsy could tell the difference without
even having to look at it under the microscope. But ultimately,
if you look at it under the microscope, you could
you could see the lines design microscopically as well. All right,
why did you stay in surgical pathology and not become
(51:29):
a forensic pathologist? So I did. I really don't have
any interest in being a physician at all, and forensics
doesn't pay well for pas as far as where I
live anyway, there are some medical examiner offices throughout the
country that hire pas and pay them a salary more
(51:52):
comparable to a physician. But in Philadelphia they don't have
those kinds of positions. They only have a tech or
a crime scene investigator, and then the next level of
education they have is the medical examiner. And in order
for me to take a job at the medical Examiner's office,
that would have been kind of a downgrade from my
(52:14):
education and pay. So I wasn't interested in that and
also just didn't have the life experience to want to
go through the full thing. So I decided to stay
at PA, and I really didn't do too much surgical pathology.
I actually did hospital autopsy, which was the main part
(52:35):
of my career, and then also did surgical pathology towards
the last couple of years, but mostly autopsy was my thing,
all right. Last, if you didn't have me at a
young age, where do you think you would be? I'd
be a forensic pathologist, just ch I mean, obviously, like
(52:55):
being a single mom. That was one of the I
had to give Maria the shaft for a couple years
when I went to PA school anyway, and just I
can't even imagine have tacked another you know, God, to
be a medical examiner, you have to do four years
medical school, four years pathology residency, and then another year
or two of forensics. It's just it's not that easy
(53:18):
to do as a single mother without totally ignoring your child.
But I would. I'm just joking though, like I probably
would be worse off than I am. Honestly, I think
that I got my shit together because I had her.
Otherwise I was kind of lost, and it was just
at a young age, I was like, Okay, well I
(53:39):
guess I have to go to college and get a
job so I could have health insurance for my kid.
Like most people that are seventeen and eighteen years old
aren't thinking that way. So it helped me fall into
place with my career and that went from there. I
have no idea what I would be doing. I don't
even think about it because it's like, why, what were
you interested in? Like other careers when you were younger,
(54:02):
you just didn't think about it. I just never thought
about it. I mean I was interested in I was
interested in doing like care and stuff with them when
I went to school for that, I didn't like it.
I just didn't. I had lots of different interests. But
then I never really stuck with stuff because they didn't
like it. Until I found pathology. Yeah. Well all right,
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thank you guys so much. If you have stories for us,
please submit them to stories at mothernosdeth dot com or
shoot us a message on Instagram sayah, thank you for
listening to mother nos Death. As a reminder, my training
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not a doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated
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are designed to educate and inform people based on my
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Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get
started with the story of the day. So back in
twenty twelve, this guy, Michael and his roommate Mary were
(00:28):
kidnapped from their home in Newport Beach. So the kidnappers
had blindfolded them, tied them up, and drove them one
hundred and forty miles away into the Mojave Desert. They
told Mary if she cooperated, they wouldn't hurt her, but
then proceeded to absolutely torture Michael. They were horribly torturing
him with a blowtorch, a taser, and then eventually they
(00:48):
put a zip tie around his penis and cut it off.
Who did this to him? So this Michael guy owned
this really successful weed, this entry, and there was this
rumor flying around that he was hiding money in this desert.
And so this guy orchestrated with these two people he
(01:09):
met in high school to unfoil this like kidnapping plot
and take him out there and try to interrogate him
until he admitted where the money was. But it wasn't true,
so of course he never gave up the information because
there was no information to give up. What the fuck?
Could you imagine how scary that must have been for
these people to get kidnapped out of their house. No,
(01:30):
and basically after they're torturing them and everything, the people
are laughing the entire time, and then like idiots, left
a knife when they finally left them alone in the desert,
but they were clearly leaving them out there to die.
So the roommate Mary ends up getting the knife and
she was able to at least cut her feet free,
so she ran out to the road, and by the
grace of God, this cop is like on this road
(01:52):
and finds her, and then she's like, my roommate's bleeding
out in the middle of the desert. They find him,
and it was just an absolute mess. And this was
going on for years. After this, they figured out this
guy named Huzane Nieri orchestrated the entire thing because he
thought there was like a million dollars hidden in the desert,
which there wasn't. Fucking moron. He fled to Iran. They
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had to get his wife to trick him into coming
back to California so they could arrest him. It was interesting,
so does that mean that in California they're not able
to communicate with people there to get him to go
back to the United States, Like they actually had to
have a civilian manipulate him in order to get him
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to go back. Well, I think every country has different
extradition if that's a correct rule. It's just it's just
to me, like, I understand there's certain crimes, but this
is attempted murder and kidnapping. It's a really serious crime.
I'm surprised that. Well, I think it's it's up to
the country that the person is in whether they're going
to extradite them or not back over here. So I
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don't know if they were having issues with that, but
I mean, they couldn't get him back. They had his wife.
I don't remember exactly what went down. This whole story
is really detailed in Matt Murphy's book, and I guess
the new specials coming out about it, which is why
it's in the news now. But they had to have
this woman get him back over here so they could
arrest him. Then when he's in jail awaiting trial, he
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escapes through event with two other prisoners. He was on
the run for a week, so that must have been
really scary for the victims and everybody else involved. But yeah,
he was finally prosecuted, and what a fucking mess. And
the guy never got like the penis is done. He
never It's not like they were able to reattach it
like in some of the other cases we talked about. Oh,
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that's the craziest part is that they don't even know
where the penis is. That's not like they found it
and brought it back to the hospital. It's it's just gone,
which is really fucking weird. The whole thing is weird actually,
because even if you were going to kidnap and torture
someone to leave them for dead, like, why would you
touch the penis? It's fucking weird. It's very weird, especially
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if you really have this grand conspiracy that they have
all this money hidden. I don't think that's the way
you're gonna give get somebody to give up the information
or the goods. I just think this is ridiculous. I mean,
this story is so involved it's insane, and all the
players this mutter plot sounds like a cartoon where you're
you're tying the people up and you don't really want
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them to die. What movie is it where where? Oh,
it's like, uh Austin Powers where he just Scott keeps
saying to the dad like, hey, if you really want
to kill Austin Powers, like I'll just shoot him right
now and we'll take care of it. And he was
he's just like making up all these crazy plots in
order to get rid of the guy instead of just
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doing it the easy way. Like you're cutting off someone's penis, right,
and there are lots of arteries in the penis, but
they're pretty little, so it's not going to cause someone
to bleed to death at least for a really long time.
I don't know if these people are shocked that these
two ended up surviving. It just sounds ridiculous, right, Like
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we're gonna just leave this knife here. If you could
reach it, then you could cut off the ties around
your ankles. And it's just so crazy. It's just a
really gruesome crime for something. I mean, you shouldn't do it,
even if this guy does have money hidden in the desert,
But think about how ridiculous that statement is to think
somebody's hiding money in the desert, and then you don't
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even have solid proof that that's happening, and you take
these horrendous steps to torture these people and it's all
for nothing. It's completely idiotic. Yeah, and you know, on
top of just cutting off someone's penis is devastating emotionally,
it's also painful too. But then they were pouring bleach
on the wounds, which just destruct the tissue around it.
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You know, it's a really basic or it has a
really high pH of a solution that could leave chemical burns.
But I don't know if you've ever just been cleaning
and got bleach and of an open wound, it freaking
burns really bad. And imagine having this open penisle wound
and having bleach pored in it. It's just so disturbing.
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And I was thinking about this too because I've been
out in that desert recently and there's never cars around.
There could be hours before cars go by. So think
about how really you said, by the grace of God,
that this cop so happened to be driving down the road,
Because usually if you're in the desert at night, you're
in the desert and there's no one to help you.
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It's just it's just such a crazy story. It's unbelievable.
If I'm remembering correctly too. I feel like in Matt's book,
he said when the guy escaped from prison that he
had a picture of him laying on the bed when
they realized he was missing. So there's that whole added
extra level of fear that like, oh shit, the victims,
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the people that turned him in, you know, the now
ex wife that helped get him back over here, and
now he's going over after the league that's trying to
prosecute him. I would never want that job. You know.
Remember somebody we know bought a house that was formerly
owned by a judge, and she was saying people were
just showing up to the house thinking the judge still
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lived there. Oh yeah, I've heard that before. Some that
happened to some person that lived around in my neighborhood too.
It's just it's so outrageous when that happens. It is
something to think about though, that it's funny because there
was a house that's for sale right now that looks
awesome that there is someone like that that owned it,
and now to think about it, it's like, no, that
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would just be a dumb idea to even look at
a house like that. You know, I wonder if you
have to disclose that you had a job like that
because of the potential of threats that would come here
with I don't know, I don't Okay, celebrity news. We
have some pretty interesting celebrity news this week. So back
in twenty twenty two, you and McGregor started getting hundreds
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of crazy messages from this woman. She was threatening him
and then suggesting that his new wife had stolen him
away from her, But meanwhile he's like, who are you right?
So over time the messages progressively got more threatening, and
then this past Christmas Eve, she showed up at his
ex wife's house while he and his family were celebrating Christmas.
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Super stalking scary. I know, stalkerser is the scariest thing, right, Yeah,
I really do think so. And luckily they had a
security gate and she was being really weird on the
outside of it, so of course they didn't let her in,
and then I guess they pieced together that it was
this woman. They were saying that she was like documenting
her entire journey from Michigan to California to pay the
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unexpected visit, and so that just happened. At the end
of twenty twenty four, so since this started in twenty
twenty two, Ewan is saying that she sent over five
hundred emails or messages between him, his friends, and his
family that were threatening him, suggesting that she wanted to
have children with him, but she said, don't worry. I
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don't need your dick, I just your balls, so I
could do IVF what is on in people's The thing
is is that stalkers a lot of the times. Most
of the time they have some kind of either underlying
personality disorder like narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder,
and some of them also have diagnosable mental illness like schizophrenia, bipolar.
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It sounds like she is having severe delusions right off
the bat, just by you saying that she doesn't. She
thinks that the wife stole him away from her and stuff.
I mean you and McGregor is quite a fine specimen,
or at least he used to be, so I understand
the attractiveness that she has towards him. But when you
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hear about stories of people with stalkers, it is really terrifying.
And think about how lucky ew and McGregor is to
have a gate around his house. And be fortunate enough
to have security and stuff, but this happens. They estimate
a year that three point four million people just in
the United States alone are stalked on over the age
of eighteen. I mean that that is terrifying because that
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most of those people don't have the means to keep
people away that are acting crazy like this. Yeah, and
you don't have to be a celebrity to be stocked.
I mean it happens to regular people all the time. Yeah,
and it's really scary. It really is scary, and it's
scary for everyone around too, because when you know, there's
always things that happen, like a girlfriend and a boyfriend
could break up or whatever. But then when the person
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is just not getting the hint kind of even if
it's a friend that's too close or anything, it starts
to become alarming and you're never really safe and you
don't know what's going through that person's head. It's just terrifying. Like,
if you're not responding to people or engaging in conversation
when they're reaching out constantly to you, I think it's
time to take the hint that maybe they don't want
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to talk to you. One of the other delusions she
was having with Last October, she had said in one
of her messages that she believed the movie The Da
Vinci Could was giving her a secret message from quote
the Illuminati, saying that she was a princess. Yeah, she's
just completely out of her mind. She also was referencing
Dexter a sniper. She was considered a sniper rifle she
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was considering buying. But he's been now granted a temporary
restraining order, which I'm sure will definitely turn into a
permanent retract Why is it temporary like well, I think
because it's an emergency one and it takes a little
bit longer to get the permit. Like an emergency. Any
kind of restraining order is just is just a piece
of paper that's not going to stop a psycho. I mean,
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he's just lucky that he could have armed security around
them at all times. So she can't with this restraining order,
she can't go near him, his wife, his five kids,
or his ex wife. She has to say at least
one hundred yards away from them, and she can't contact
them or harass them in any way. But we see
this all the time. It was a possibility to get
within one hundred yards of you and McGregor. You know, like,
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I guess you can figure it out. This is a
has some ideas here. This is why celebrities are always
buying houses under LLCs and stuff, because they like don't
want you knowing where they live because you could just
google it and find it so easy. So I'm sure
like the Phillies players, for example, love when they take
the effort to buy their houses under LLCs, and then
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these real estate websites are like blowing up their spot
giving out their addresses. Well, I just came across an
Instagram account the other day that had this guy just
going to all of the fronts of all of these
famous people's houses and just showing what it's like to
drive up the street to get to their house and
what the front landscaping looks like and everything, and most
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of these people have a gate. But I'm thinking, just
you're putting these people's names with their houses. How is
this even publicly avaluable information? I guess it is because
a lot of the houses that he shows, I know,
belong to these people, but he's actually kind of showing
how to get there. He blurs out their exact number
on their house but really, if you just drive around
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you could figure it out, or you're just looking at
other landmarks around. You know. It's just freaking scary, man,
it really is scary. And his kids shouldn't have had
to go through that terror right before CHRISTI right, Like
they're worried about sand and shit, and then they have
to worry about this. It's so terrible. Yeah, all right,
So the guy that killed Johnny and Matthew Gudreau is
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now saying that they were drunker than he was the
night he hit them, so he wants to have his
indicted his indictment thrown out. All right. I hate to
say this because I was so upset about this case.
I still am really upset about this case, and I
think that the driver is a total douchebag, but I
kind of think he has a point in this situation.
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His apparently his blood alcohol level was point zero eight seven,
which is just over the legal limit. But Johnny's was
point one two nine and his brothers was point one
three four, which is very significant. Okay, I'm gonna and say,
if a sober person hit them, I think yes, you
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can argue they were definitely drunk while on a bicycle.
And they could have easily swerved in front of the
person causing the wreck. But I still and I still
understand that in this case, but that guy was still
drunk and still hit them also, So like you can't
get off for it because you still also did it
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and you were also intoxicated. I understand that. But when
there's no cameras and there's no witnesses at the scene
and everything, the I don't think that the accident could
be one hundred percent put on him when the other
party was also drunk. No, I think he should still.
I mean, he's he's facing up to sixty years in
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prison for this, So you have to understand from from
their perspective, he could have he shouldn't have been driving drunk,
even though he was kind of barely just over the limit.
I don't think anybody should drink. We've had this conversation
multiple times, but these these two guys, we were drunk.
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And it's it's a weird thing because in New Jersey
it's not against the law to drive a bicycle while intoxicated.
You could get in trouble for disorderly conduct. But so
maybe this is an eye opener that those types of
laws need to change, especially when bicycle riders are driving
in the street, because what if he was completely sober
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and they did drive in front of him. That's not
fair to the person, but that hits That's the conversation. Though,
If he got pulled over and hit them by accident
and they prove this, I think he's not going to
go to jail at all. But he was still drunk
driving and therefore hit and killed them. So I understand that,
but I think maybe he won't get as severe as
a sentence with that information being brought to light, But
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he still needs to be punished for drunk driving and
taking the lives of two people, whether they caused the
rec or not, because he was still impaired. Well, and
this is why, this is why you don't do that, right,
I mean, he was barely over the legal limit, so
in all honesty, he could have especially because he's an alcoholic,
right or he has a history of being an alcoholic.
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That probably did not do much to him to be driving,
to be honest with you, but because because of the
law and everything, I understand that. But according to the
blood alcohol chart which I looked at, so I looked
up with the weight of Johnny Gudreau was and it
says that he's one hundred and fifty pounds. So there's
charts done compared to how much people weigh and how
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much they drank and how long it takes. And so
we're talking about having one drink, right, So one drink
could be a twelve ounce beer, ten ounces of micro beer,
or a wine cooler, eight ounces of malt liquor four
ounces of wine, or one point twenty five ounces of
an eighty proof hard alcohol. So that's what would be
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considered one drink. Here a person that weighs one hundred
and fifty pounds in order to achieve a blood alcohol
level that they had at the time of the accident,
that they would have to have six or seven drinks
that I just described within one hour of measuring a
blood alcohol level of that high. It's significant to think
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about that. I'm not saying they were in the right
being on the bikes and being that drunk, but we
can't just like I feel like, you know, they made
a point to say he wasn't trying to get off
completely necessarily and he wasn't trying to throw them under
the bus. But like you're bringing up the point, and
I understand you want to do anything to help your case,
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but you were still in the wrong as well, so
he was not a completely sober person that this was
just an accident and they may have caused it. Like
two wrongs don't make a right. Let's say this for example.
You know how some I didn't even tell you this,
Actually no, I did. About the nursing home. The old
person from the nursing home on one thirty that got
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killed the other day. I don't think that place is
a nursing home. I think it's just a senior apartment building.
Well whatever, it's a ninety year old person ended up
in the middle of the highway basically and got killed.
So the person that killed them, I don't even know
what would happened or whatever. But like, let's just say,
because I drive that road every single day to pick
the kids up for school, Like, let's just say that
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was me, right, I hit the person. It's it's just
like a plea accident because there's a human being in
the middle of a street where people are driving sixty
miles an hour. Right, But like let's say I had
four beers and my blood alcohol was slightly over it's
still it's it's wrong that you're drinking and driving, for sure,
and you're breaking the law. But like, also, there shouldn't
be a human in the middle of a road that's
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going ninety miles an hour away. There shouldn't. But if
you were sober, you might have been able to get
around the situation. That's but also the bike riders would
have been able to get out of a situation too.
So I'm just saying that by I personally think that
both people are at fault with this new information coming
to light, and I think that really the bike lawns
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should change because if you're if you're sharing the road,
then both parties have to be semi responsible, you know
what I mean. Yeah, And I understand what you're saying.
I'm just saying, like his whole case cannot be thrown
out because they were drunk, because he is still responsible
because he did it and he was also drunk, So like, yes,
maybe he should get less time with that, but like
the whole entire case can't just be thrown out. Okay.
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Freak accidents in Texas, This twenty year old girl had
a couple of SIPs of an energy drink before working
out and then a couple of minutes later collapsed on
the floor. Okay, guys, so I have this this journal
article written. I've had it saved aside because it's it's
really it's really crazy, just because you know, every single
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person drinks these energy drinks, and this this journal paper
is called called The Dark Side of Energy Drinks, a
comprehensive review and their impacts on the human body. And
it is alarming to read this paper because it gives
you how many milligrams of caffeine or in every drink
like popular drinks that you see in the store, And
then it gives you a whole entire list of people
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who have had either adverse reactions, severe injury, and or
death from these drinks and what drink they had and
what caused it. And we think, okay, there's caffeine in it.
It's the same as coffee. But normally when people drink coffee,
there's seventy seven to one hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine,
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whereas these drinks can go anywhere from fifty to five
hundred and five milligrams of caffeine, which would make them
triple three times as much more caffeine in some of
these drinks than a cup of coffee, and you're seeing
these injuries a lot in twenty year old people because
most people throughout their life, we don't hear too much
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about caffeine because if you just drink coffee and stuff,
it's less likely to happen. But because you're having such
a high dose of it. And also the problem is
is that caffeine is a legal stimulant. But it's okay
in a cup of coffee, but if you're putting three
times that amount in a drink, that's when it becomes
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not okay for a lot of people. And in this case,
she ended up going into cardiocacgress, which means her heart
stop three different times or four different times, actually sorry.
She went to the hospital. She was put on life support,
including Ekmo, which is a machine that helps circulate your blood,
dialysis which helps her kidneys, because she had kidney failure
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and she was on a machine to help her breathe
as well. But luckily they were able to save her life.
She was a fit person. She was at the gym,
she was doing deadlifts and she said that she had
a third of an energy drink, just one third, So
do you think that she had pre existing heart things
that she didn't know about, and that's kind of what
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set it off. Or you shouldn't be having these type
of drinks before getting your heart going while exercise. It's
not necessarily, it's just that they can. They could change
your heart rate and your heartbeat, they increase blood pressure.
There's just different things that it could rarely do, but
it could cause something called ventricular fibrillation, which is it
makes your heart beat abnormal. And this could happen and
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someone that is considered to be a healthy person. That's
why it's so scary. Now, the good news is is
that most of these severe injuries and deaths like this
one is more of a freak accident, which is why
it's in the freak accident category. But once once you
read this paper, it is it's alarming to see that
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a lot of these injuries were caused by people drinking
six and seven of these drinks in a row and
then having their heart stop. Like I can't even imagine
that people are actually doing this. But a lot of
the cases, you had one here and there that was, oh,
this was the first time a person had a caffeine
and drink, which think about this. I mean, drinking your
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first cup of coffee could give you an accelerated heart rate.
If you're drinking one that has three times as much,
of course you're going to have a problem. But definitely
in this paper it really emphasized. It was a lot
of younger men and the most injuries I saw were
Number one, drinking like red Bull and vodka together. That
was a big one. Well, actually, when we learn about
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when we do RAMP certification for bartending and serving alcohol drinks,
you have to serve less drinks with coffee like espresso, martinis,
or drinks with Red Bull or any energy drinks in them,
because they are substantially more dangerous than just a regular
mixed drink. Yeah, so it's interesting, right though, that was
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a lot of the injuries, and then, like I said,
just having multiple pounding them, pounding them. They're scary. And
the worst part is is that they sell them just
in the fridge at seven eleven and wah wah, you
could just a kid could go buy it. My kid
could buy it if they want to, if they're in
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the store. There was this one that was really prime
or something that some YouTuber all the kids this summer
were into. And then there were ones that were just
flavored water kind of thing, and the other ones were
these energy drinks. Well, everybody's really into celsius right now,
which I've never tried. But the people I know that
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drink it are obsessed with it, like they will have
multiple in a day. What is it? It's an energy d
I don't know if I've ever heard of it. I'd
see it at the grocery store, but it is this
obsession people have. And like back in my day, in
my early twenties, red Bull was this shit and everybody
liked that Red Bull. Red Bull is nothing compared to
some of these other ones. Like red Bull has one
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hundred and sixty milligrams of half in in it, which
is just a little bit more than the strongest cup
of coffee. But there's some that have hundreds. It's it's
outrageous that that they even sell these. They almost should
be regulated by the government in a way. And you're
hearing this more and more. Remember, we covered a case,
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it probably was a year ago at this point, of
a person that had one of those energy drinks at
Panera bread and died a young person or oh yeah,
they died. They actually died, right, Yeah, I believe so.
I also so like when I was a teenager and
stuff like Monster was really huge, and then in my twenties,
I mean, red Bull had been around for a long time,
but it was you tried red Bull. Yeah, I used
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to drink it all the time when I was working
at the bar because I did, I don't mind the
taste of it, and it would help me out. Like say,
I say I tasted it. I was. I'll never forget
I was. I was at ACME and I and I
tasted it in the parking lot because I was like,
what's the big deal? And I just, I like threw
it up all over in the parking Oh. I just
thought it was the grossest tasting thing ever. The original
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flavor is really gross, but they made this orange one
that's actually really delicious. But like I used to drink that.
I mean, I don't. I don't thank that shit anymore.
I wish I knew that. I haven't had it since
I was in my early twenties, but I used to
drink it a lot because you know, the coffee shops
were clothes and stuff, and I was working till three
o'clock in the morning. And they sold them at CBS
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and everything, so you could just go in and grab one. Okay,
let's get on to this little kid injury. I feel
like we're just going to have this story in the
entire run of this podcast over and over and over again.
These magnetic beads and the water beads too, are just
constantly causing problems with the kids. In this case, this
little boy wanted to pretend he had a tongue piercing
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and tried to put one of these magnetic balls on
the top of his tongue and underneath of his tongue,
but because of how strong they were, they grabbed together
and shot into the back of his throat and he
swallowed them. It's cold that this kid went up to
his mom right away and was like, oh shit, I
did something really bad, because I feel like most kids
would be scared that they would get in trouble and
just wouldn't say anything. No, definitely not so Luckily the
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mom knew right away took them to the hospital right away,
and also luckily the two magnets ended up sticking together
before he swallowed him. Because if you just swallow one
of these magnets, it's not that big of a deal,
you'll just poop it out. But in this case, if
you have one or more, they could actually especially if
they're not together, they could cause parts of the bow
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to stick together and cause an obstruction. So if you
think about we always talk about this, think about the
GI track as being a tube like a hose. If
you have one magnet on one end of it and
one a little bit lower, those two magnets can end
up sticking together and kinking the hose, which would make
food not be able to pass through. It would cause
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an obstruction, which could then rupture. Think if you can't
get water through a hose, what happens It eventually bursts.
The same thing will happen to your colon or small intestine,
and you kids have died from this. It's so bad
actually in emergency rooms. They've reported it so much that
they ban these things. A lot of brands of them
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are off the market because the manufacturers aren't following the
rules as far as how strong they're making them, and
that they're they're enticing the children to stick in their mouth.
Of course they are. And the craziest part of this
is after they see that they're in his stomach and
the x ray they did at the hospital, They're like,
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you have to keep him away from other magnetic things
until they naturally pass so it doesn't risk them moving around.
So this mom said she had bought this for him
a couple years ago and then he was just playing
with it. I think it was either this past year
or the year before that when the big band happened
that they're not really supposed to have these anymore. Which
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but they're back, remember we were They're back. I just
saw them. I just saw them when we were in
Cape May. We were in some gift shop and I
saw them and I was just like, dude, look these
are for salve right here. I thought you weren't allowed
to buy these things anymore. But that's what it's important
to just tell parents that maybe once in a while
go on the product in a safety consumer website and
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just see if any toys that your kids are playing
with or recalled, because you're gonna be shocked to see,
you know, especially they're all from China, all of them
that are recalled all the time, you know, and you're
gonna be shocked to see, Oh, you went on Amazon
two years ago and got your kid the latest thing,
and then you put it away and then they find
it years later, and here you come to find out
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that it's dangerous and shouldn't be in your house. Yeah,
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next week we will be going over the autopsy, which
is it's so juicy and I feel like I really
stumbled upon something that I'm bringing up that I haven't
heard yet anybody really talking about with that case. So
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I think you guys will be interested in that and
I'll show pictures. We're also going to be covering Beast
Reality soon. That's that's in our lineup coming up soon,
which is really an intriguing topic. Don't you think it's
I wouldn't say it treating. Oh, it is just so
outrageous that like anybody would do that, But there's there's
a lot of interesting history with it in the laws
(30:42):
and everything. So we're going to talk about that and
just so much more. So join us in the Gross Room.
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for the month. Okay, true Crime. Well thanks Lauren for
sending this one over this morning. But last night, New York,
this boat was in the East River, right outside of Manhattan.
(31:03):
They came across a suspicious suitcase in the water. I
guess it is really unusual when a suitcase is just
floating on the water, so of course, you know, they
have to alert authorities. So the New York Police Department
Harbor Unit sent to the scene. They retrieved the suitcase,
and when they opened it, they found a human torso inside.
I love that. In the article, it says that the
(31:25):
death is being investigated. They know it's a man and
they're thinking it might be suspicious, but they have not
yet classified it as a homicide. Well, how the fuck
does a torso just end up in a suitcase? I'd
like to know. There's you know, whenever we have a
case like this, I always try to think, like, Okay,
maybe this was an accident. There's just no there's no
other possibility in this particular case, so it's definitely a homicide.
(31:49):
I can't imagine anyone. There's no person that sells human
torsos in a suitcase for a living and is traveling
like what, there's no reason, there's no accident that would
cause that. Well, well, let's say the person died of
natural causes. Somebody still cut up their body and put
it in the suitcase. There is still a crime happening here.
There's steps. Yeah, I get, And I guess you could
(32:11):
say that that there's technically that wouldn't be considered a homicide.
But just really, if someone died from natural causes, why
would you ever do that? I mean, I guess weirder
things have been done or whatever, But just I'm curious
to see how this is going to go. Plus, like
where's the dude's head, where's the dude's limbs? Like are
(32:32):
they going to wash up later? I don't know. So
when this happens, they just bring the remains to the emmy,
Like with the airplane, they just bring the remain to
the emmy and then they just have to kind of
work backwards to try to identify the perse. Yeah, and
it might be really difficult because we don't really hear
anything else. All you hear is a torso. But I'm
sure it's unless it just freshly died. It's decomposed, it's
(32:54):
been in the water, and then you have to deal
with all that damage. So and there's no head, there's
no teeth, which is difficult for identification, so they probably
are going to have to do DNA. There's no fingerprints,
you know what I mean, Like it's kind of a male.
It's well, yeah, that's easy to determine yet most of
(33:15):
the time anyway, Yeah, I mean that that's all they
could say. They and they'll be even when they do
the X rays and everything. They can actually age people
and figure out what age range they are based upon
the development of their bones and just by the appearance.
Although the appearance of the body is not just going
to look like a person that just died because of
(33:37):
all of I said, decomposed and stuff like that, But
they'll be able to figure it out. They're a good
medical examiner's office. They'll figure it out. It's so cool.
They could figure out whole old people are based on
their bones, So it's an exact science. But yeah, I mean,
there's certain things that you wouldn't you wouldn't see for example,
(33:58):
if you had if you looked at bones and you
saw in their shoulders or their humoral heads and their
and their fhemeral heads or their hips, you saw a
lot of changes that were associated with osteoarthritis. It's not
that it's impossible for younger people to get that, but
if you see changes like that and all of the bones,
you could definitely tell that a person is older. And
(34:20):
just with the growth plates and everything like that, they
could tell. They could definitely tell the difference between twenty
year olds and seventy year olds. And yeah, it's it's
pretty cool and obviously child versus adult. So it just
gives them like more of an estimate and a narrowed
down but ultimately the DNA should help the most in
that case. Yeah, okay, medical news. So, in new studies
(34:46):
found that levels of microplastics found in the human brain
are higher than levels found in other organs. I know
this is a topic that's been coming up a lot
in recent years, but this shock, this study's pretty shocking. Right. So,
a microplastic is something that is considered to be less
than five millimeters in size, but there's been an alarming
(35:07):
video that's been going around the internet just showing examples
of how you can do this, and one of them
is by the cutting board. Like when you cut the
cutting board and the knife is cutting against the plastic,
it makes those fine little pieces of plastic. And that's
just one example of the many. You know, as I
was writing this up this afternoon, I'm eating my asie
(35:29):
bullet that is in a plastic container with a plastic spoon.
It's just every single person is always using these things
all the time, with water bottles and this and that.
Which is actually funny with the water bottle situation because
when I was a kid, there was no such thing
as bottled water, and then all of a sudden it
was like, you can't drink tapwater. It's so dangerous. And
(35:50):
now they're telling you to drink tap water again, but
filter it. But then I read that those pfas are
the highest in those Brita fielders and stuff. So you
just go back back and forth of like, what the
hell is the safest thing for me to do right
right now? Right because this is what happens. They tell
you this is not safe, and then whatever, So now
(36:12):
we have this problem that they're finding all of these
little pieces of plastic in people's brains. And they did
this really cool study where they took brain samples from
twenty eight autopsies from twenty and sixteen and twenty four
autopsies from twenty and twenty four, and they saw these
microplastics in all of the brains. But the most alarming
(36:35):
thing was that they saw so much more in the
brains from twenty and twenty four as opposed to the
brains in twenty and sixteen, which is alarming. And the
reason this is of concern is because they're not one
hundred percent sure what causes microplastics to be a problem
for human pathology, but they think that it could trigger
(36:58):
inflammation and can disrupt the organunction. And one of the
most striking things to come out of studies like this
is that there were ten times the amount of these
plastics in brains with people with dementia. And that's what
everyone I mean, that's one of my biggest fears is
something like that happening as an adult. So if they
(37:18):
could somehow come up with a correlation that this is
causing this, that would be that would be awesome. But
I think that really like every single time you see
one of these studies, you really have to start thinking, like,
how can I reduce my use of plastic because it's
not good? Yeah, because I guess my first question was
(37:42):
how are they even getting into your body? But just
even having the cutting board example, makes so much sense.
And now I'm sitting here like I need to order
all wood cutting forwards or something. Well one of the things,
one of the things they're saying is that because of
all the plastics that are used just in irrigation of
farmland and stuff, that it could be possible that cows,
(38:05):
for example, are eating this. They're grazing on land that
has been used with this plastic contained water. Basically they're
eating it. Then their manure is being recycled back into
the environment, so it could be coming from that. They're
also saying it could be coming from just inhaling it
and going up your nose right into your brain. They
(38:26):
just think it's curious that it's going into the brain
because there is this thing called a blood brain barrier
which prevents a lot of things from getting into your brain.
So when things can get through that barrier, they're starting
to be concerned and figure out how they get there. Yeah,
it's definitely really fascinating. I know this topic has been
coming up a lot especially. I was seeing a lot
(38:47):
of articles in the last year about it, like, you know,
them finding a large quantity and like a uterus or
something or other words. Oh yeah, they've seen them in
other organs, placentas, which placentas are alarming to because they's
such a temporary organ you only have them for nine months, right, Yeah,
but they're they're saying that most people are consuming five
(39:10):
grams of microplastics a week, which they say is equivalent
to the weight of a credit card. It's insane. Imagine
following a credit card a week. What were they saying?
They said, on average the brain sample study contains seven
grams of microplastics, which is roughly the same weight as
the average plastic spoon. Yeah, so imagine a plastic spoon
just being in your brain. I'm actually curious how they
(39:32):
retrieve these plastics, because because they are so small, if
there's a certain kind of method that they do that
they're able to separate them from the tissue in order
to measure them in this way, I'm really curious about that.
But yeah, this is it's just, you know, because we
drink a lot of bottled water in the house, and
it just makes you think like, eh, like maybe we
(39:54):
should stop doing that, especially with the children, you know. Well,
they also said the most common was polyethyl which is
most commonly found in bottles and cups, which you were
touching on a little bit. And I'm thinking of, you know,
like every morning when I go out and get a coffee,
I'm also waiting. I drink so much club soda all
day out of cans. I'm waiting for them. Oh, there's
(40:15):
already a thing with there's already a thing with the cans. Yeah,
I know, the allumino, Yeah there is. And then it's like, okay,
we're gonna go back to glass. And it's just everything
is such a fucking mess, all right. The next story
is so cute. It's really cute, and it's it's a
nice break. We've had a pretty pretty like harsh couple
of weeks with stories exactly. So there's a found that
(40:36):
in twenty five has been really really terrible for news
for sure. Yeah. So in Alabama, this pregnant woman started
going into labor and heard her boyfriend start driving to
the hospital, but Alabama was facing this historic snowstorm and
the condition on the roads were really poor. So at
some point in their drive, she's like, I can't make
(40:57):
it anymore. I have to pull over. They pull over
in a Krispy Kream parking lot and call nine one one,
and her boyfriend delivers this baby in the Krispy Cream
parking lot in the front seat, while they're four year
olds in the backseat. How traumatizing must that have been?
But I think it's really cool, exactly like which one
for everybody? But the mom is the only one that
(41:19):
was in the amount of pain, But the dad and
the kid were probably more freaked out about it. Yeah,
but Krispy Cream seems quite honored that this happened. They
have been listed as the place of birth on the
birth certificate, which I think is so cool. I love that.
And now they said they're gonna throw him a birthday
party every year. That's that's amazing. Well, so the best
(41:40):
part of the whole entire story is that the mom
is giving the sun the nickname of Glaze, Like, how
fucking hilarious is that? I love awesome. They're also giving
them free donuts for a year, so I think that's
pretty cool. No, I thought they said they were going
to give them a box of donuts every year for
eighteen years or something forever. Week they're throwing him a
(42:01):
party every year for his birthday. They have unlimited free
donuts for this year. Oh yeah, and the mom's like, well,
I might have to give him away or something, because
I do have to get my figure back, because listen,
like seriously, I could dozen I could, like seriously put
down a dozen of glazed donuts like I wouldn't now
(42:22):
because I don't eat gluten, but like back in the day,
you could easily eat like ten of them with no
problem when they're hot, especially like this is a controversial opinion,
but I really like Dunkin Donuts and why to the worst?
Yesterday I got the brownie batter one and I just
ate the filling out of it because that's ridiculous. I
(42:43):
don't know, you could probably find a copycat recipe for that.
I'm gonna look that up and see if I could
find it for you to make it for you. You
should make donuts for the super Bowl on Sunday. Now,
I don't know how to make a good I guess
I could try for a gluten free donut. But I've
never I don't think i've ever had one that was good,
to be honest, they're like a brick agreed. But but
(43:05):
I'll make you just the dip pals that and you
could just eat it out of a bowl. Yeah, can't
you make the dip in? Like I'm making good stuff.
I'm making Listen. I went on multiple lists to see
what to bring to a super Bowl party because everyone
knows that I hate football and have no interest. Right,
but I'm married, so there you go. But I went
(43:26):
in the Super Bowl what, Yeah, I don't. I just
don't care. Anyway, I went on like, what's you know
our girl, uh, the pioneer woman I love? She had
a Yeah, she had like a list of all this stuff.
So I come, I come to I'm making blondie brownies.
I'm making muddy buddies, which are also called puppy chow.
(43:50):
Never heard of that before, but they look they're delicious.
I've heard of muddy buddy. No, I've heard of muddy buddy.
I've never heard them called puppy chow. Oh. But for
those of you that don't know, it's just like a
sweet chuckst mixed kind of situation. It's just sounds. What's
that classic Italian dessert that's like the little fried balls
(44:10):
that has like don perels and the glaze on it.
Can't we make a brownie batter version that? What are
they called? I can't think of that right now. Man,
now I want to snack. Are you getting like a
weird word? That's like, isn't that like a zeppel or something?
I don't know. No, I think a zeppel is fried
(44:30):
dough with powdered sugar. Hold on, I got to look
this up. Italian dessert they're called like scriggl or something something.
It's like an see I was, I was. All our
fellow Italians are probably screaming. No they're not, because they're like,
she's onto it. She the s and the f together. Yeah,
(44:56):
I want those, I like, I know we do, actually
because I have to go get the kids from school. Okay.
Other death news, All right, this is a really weird one.
In Georgia. Police made a traffic stop and when they
pulled over the car, there is just a dead body
in the passenger seat. Yeah, so there's not really much
(45:16):
to report here, I think again, we say with the
cops all the time. What's it like to just pull
over someone and put the flashlight in the car and
be like, yo, your boy, okay over there. The guy
was only twenty one years old, and the driver has
since been released. Until the ongoing investigation, no idea what happened.
(45:38):
So in this case, at least we could say that
a homicide might not have happened because the guy could
have oweded, the guy could have had a heart. There's
different reasons that there would be a dead body in
someone's car. Maybe the guy was on the way to
drive him the hospital. Who knows, but well, yeah, because
the victim's mother saying that she believes he was conducting
a legal private gun sale with the unidentified driver, they
(46:00):
have also the police have also said they're not going
to make any charging decisions or draw any conclusions until
they review evidence. So the driver is not in custody
right now, and I guess they're going to try to
figure out exactly what led to that point. But all right,
this next story is also odd. A listener sent this
in this morning. So what I'm gathering from all of
(46:22):
this is that this woman and her daughter lived in
this apartment building and since twenty twenty three, neighbors were
reporting a horrible smell, and recently the housing staff tried
to visit her, but she wouldn't let them in, and
after the encounter, she decided to then take her handicapped
daughter out to a local shopping center. But then the
housing staff is following her to the shopping center and
(46:43):
as they're trailing behind her, they realized, there's this horrible
smell because her daughter, who's in this wheelchair is dead.
This is actually a really sad story. She was diagnosed
with something called prolonged grief disorder, and she also had
a brain tumor, so clearly she wasn't thinking correctly. She
didn't ever say how her daughter died, but they don't
(47:05):
believe that she had anything to do with it. Unfortunately,
they did do an autopsy on the girl and they
were not able to determine her cause of death because
she was so decomposed well, and the mom didn't know
exactly when she died. She said it could have been
September of twenty twenty two. Oh yeah, so she was
(47:26):
I mean skeleton, I yeah at that point, but still
had a smell. Clearly, there were no photographs of the girl.
The girl never had a phone or anything. They were
having just like a really hard time just identifying her
and everything. They ultimately identified her through DNA, but they
didn't make this woman go through the inquest trial because
(47:50):
they said that they thought that it would be inhumane
because she was suffering from dis mental health problems, and
also they didn't want her to miss the burial of
her daughter. I thought that was kind of cool because
I feel like here they just put some old lady
in jail for that or something, or like in a
mental institution immediately. Yeah. I mean, this lady needs to
(48:12):
be in a mental institution for sure, but she should
at least be able to be seeing her daughter and everything.
I mean she's eighty years old too, almost so Yeah.
But when they went back to the house to check
it finally, it was covered in feces. It was covered
in all over, like human body fluids, all over the walls,
all over the floor. Can you just imagine living next
(48:35):
door to somebody and smelling something like that all the
time and then getting the confirmation that what you indeed
have been smelling is a dead body decomposing. I mean,
that smell doesn't go away and you just smell it
every day living in your house. This happened with Jeffrey Dahmer.
His neighbors were constantly calling the police saying the house
smelled and they were hearing crazy noises and they blew
(48:55):
them off. And then you find out this like absolutely
horrific thing was going on next door to you, just
on the other side of the wall. How do you
live with that? I don't know, really, it's really disturbing. Okay,
let's move on to questions of the day. Every Friday
on the at Mother Knows Death Instagram account, we put
up a question box in the story and you guys
(49:17):
can ask whatever you want. At autopsy, how can you
differentiate between a blood clot that occurred during life versus
coagulated old blood. Okay, so when you have what is
called a post mortem clot, so after you die, your
blood just kind of sits there and it turns gelatinous.
It has a very specific look. It looks like jelly,
(49:39):
and if it's inside of one of the blood vessels,
you can pull it out very easily. It's not stuck
to the wall at all, and it has something that's
sometimes referred to as chicken fat. That's the appearance of
it that you could see, and it just has a
very distinct look, whereas a true thrombis, which a thrombis
is a blood that would travel and would cause something.
(50:02):
I mean, the most significant one you would think about
that you're looking for an autopsy is a pulmonary embolism.
When you see that, it has a very distinct appearance
because you could see what's called the lines of zon,
which is when a blood clot forms. You could see
the layers of the platelets and the fibrine and the
blood cells. Everything separates and it makes very perfect layers.
(50:25):
And the most distinguishing feature is that these blood clots
are very they're stuck to the wall of the vessel
so that you can't really easily it just doesn't slide
out like a post mortem clot would. It's very adherent
to the wall there. And oftentimes too because these throng
by are these pulmonary embolisms originate from the veins in
(50:48):
the legs. Sometimes in these particular clots, you could see
the actual valves from the veins in the legs on
the clot. It's really it's a really cool thing that
you could see. I could post photographs of it I
have on Instagram for sure and in the grocer room,
but I could do a specific post showing what those
(51:08):
valves look like, because that also gives it another distinguishing feature.
And then I mean, I think that any good PA
or person that's doing autopsy could tell the difference without
even having to look at it under the microscope. But ultimately,
if you look at it under the microscope, you could
you could see the lines design microscopically as well. All right,
why did you stay in surgical pathology and not become
(51:29):
a forensic pathologist? So I did. I really don't have
any interest in being a physician at all, and forensics
doesn't pay well for pas as far as where I
live anyway, there are some medical examiner offices throughout the
country that hire pas and pay them a salary more
(51:52):
comparable to a physician. But in Philadelphia they don't have
those kinds of positions. They only have a tech or
a crime scene investigator, and then the next level of
education they have is the medical examiner. And in order
for me to take a job at the medical Examiner's office,
that would have been kind of a downgrade from my
(52:14):
education and pay. So I wasn't interested in that and
also just didn't have the life experience to want to
go through the full thing. So I decided to stay
at PA, and I really didn't do too much surgical pathology.
I actually did hospital autopsy, which was the main part
(52:35):
of my career, and then also did surgical pathology towards
the last couple of years, but mostly autopsy was my thing,
all right. Last, if you didn't have me at a
young age, where do you think you would be? I'd
be a forensic pathologist, just ch I mean, obviously, like
(52:55):
being a single mom. That was one of the I
had to give Maria the shaft for a couple years
when I went to PA school anyway, and just I
can't even imagine have tacked another you know, God, to
be a medical examiner, you have to do four years
medical school, four years pathology residency, and then another year
or two of forensics. It's just it's not that easy
(53:18):
to do as a single mother without totally ignoring your child.
But I would. I'm just joking though, like I probably
would be worse off than I am. Honestly, I think
that I got my shit together because I had her.
Otherwise I was kind of lost, and it was just
at a young age, I was like, Okay, well I
(53:39):
guess I have to go to college and get a
job so I could have health insurance for my kid.
Like most people that are seventeen and eighteen years old
aren't thinking that way. So it helped me fall into
place with my career and that went from there. I
have no idea what I would be doing. I don't
even think about it because it's like, why, what were
you interested in? Like other careers when you were younger,
(54:02):
you just didn't think about it. I just never thought
about it. I mean I was interested in I was
interested in doing like care and stuff with them when
I went to school for that, I didn't like it.
I just didn't. I had lots of different interests. But
then I never really stuck with stuff because they didn't
like it. Until I found pathology. Yeah. Well all right,
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thank you guys so much. If you have stories for us,
please submit them to stories at mothernosdeth dot com or
shoot us a message on Instagram sayah, thank you for
listening to mother nos Death. As a reminder, my training
is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level
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education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am
not a doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated
anyone dead or alive without the assistance of a licensed
medical doctor. This show, my website, and social media accounts
are designed to educate and inform people based on my
experience working in pathology, so they can make healthier decisions
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