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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
On today's episode, we're going to talk about a couple
of different ways that people's houses are making them sick.
An update on the father who faked his own death,
parents who drug their kids to go to sleep, and
piles of human creamines found in the desert. All that
and more on today's episode, Let's talk about how houses
are making people sick.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right, So, first up, we have Maddie Pruitt of
The Bachelor. So she recently shared that her and her
husband bought a home around the time they got married
in October twenty twenty two, and immediately faced a bunch
of issues. So I want to say welcome to the club, sister,
because so did I.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah. I think that people that buy a house could
say this, that they have some kind of issues when
they move in, but hers were like a little bit
more severe than the average homeowner. She was they felt
like they were both getting sick at the house, and
they know that it was specific to the house because
when they would leave they would feel better.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, And they noticed some mold and they said there
was a bunch of bugs in the house, and they
just assumed that their illness was related to the mold.
So they had this guy come in or I guess
a plumber come in to investigate it. And he immediately said,
you know what, I'm going to test the house for gas.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So he puts on the gas meter and the thing
started going nuts. And he was like, oh, you see
that fireplace over there, have you used it? And they
said yeah, we just use it with this little remote.
And then he said, well, do you turn off the
gas after you use it? And they say, yeah, we
just turn it off with this remote. And he's like, no,
(01:53):
you actually have to turn off the gas. And here
they were living there for what three months almost yeah,
and they had never turned the gas off. The gas
line was opened the entire time.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Let me tell you how this would happen to me,
no problem at all. I wouldn't even think about it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Listen, like this is a serious Like they're lucky they're
not dead, because if they like lit a candle or
turned on a gas stove like that house would have exploded.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Do you think they had electric heat or electric oven then?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Because they had to.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of how do you not light a flame in three
months living somewhere.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know, no, totally. I mean, they're they're absolutely lucky.
They're lucky they didn't get more sick. They're lucky the
house didn't blow up. This could have been really horrific.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So I guess my question is, like, what.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Normally, if your gas line is open, it smells like eggs, right, yeah,
in your house if you leave your stone on by accident.
So normally, like natural gas is mostly made up of methane,
which is what she's saying was a methane gas leak,
but they put like a tag on it of mere captain,
which makes it smell. That's because normally natural gas has
(03:12):
no smell. The whole reason that it smells is because
they want to alert homeowners two exact situations like this,
Where was where were they getting gas from? That wasn't
that didn't have more captain in it? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I guess Another question I have is was it only
open in the three months they owned the house or
did the previous homeowner open it, because wouldn't they have
known there was that turnkey on the side that operated
the gas line or not if they had to turn
it on to use the fireplace in the first place.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know, I know that you're saying that you would
do this, but like you have if you're going to
own a house, you have to have a brain a
little bit, right, Like seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, yeah, but there's no light in my house.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That people acted like I was an absolutely idy it over,
but I just really didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Like when you light a grill, for example, I like
the grill a couple times a week when I go
outside and cook, Right, you turn on, you open the propane,
and then you have to go to the over to
the grill itself.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And light it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, as soon as.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I turn off the burners on the grill, I go
back to the propane tank and turn off the propeine.
Like all all that little remote is doing is just
causing a little flicker to ignite it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's all that does.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I guess what I'm saying is, did they know
that's how it operated?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, Like, if you're operating gas products in your house.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You should know that, right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, but think about what happened in my house. Remember
when we bought the house and they made that whole
big deal about that oil tank being in the basement
because it wasn't in use and all this stuff. And
then a couple months later, I mean this, this is
going to come across.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
As me being a huge idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So like then winter time comes, I have the heat on,
and then my heat stops working. I have a guy
come out. He's like, you ran out an oil idiot,
basically right, And I'm like, well, I thought the house
was forced heat. I didn't know it was coming from
the oil tank. Well, I mean, and they made a
point to make that big deal of it. Remember when
(05:23):
we were looking at the house that the tank shouldn't
even have been there. Yeah, that's where it was coming
from anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean I get that. I get that. And
that's what happens when like you.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Young kids buy a house and you don't really you
don't really like understand the full depths of like what
you know, cause like mommy and Daddy always took care
for care of it free, you know, so like I
understand that. It's just like there has you have to
have a certain level of like understanding of how things work,
because dude, this case could have been really really really
(05:56):
really bad. No, it's like a imagine seriously, like even outside,
not in a confined space. Imagine if you left the
propane open on the grill to be leaking out like
that for for months. I mean, it would just cause
a huge explosion.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I just don't I still don't understand. But even with
the does the propane not smell? I feel like you
could hear like a hissing. I feel like, you know
when it's on, Like how did they just not.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Know what was on? There was no sound. It happens.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It happens at my house often, like I don't know,
I'll bump into one of the burners on the grill
or something like that, and all of a sudden, I'm
in the kitchen and I'm like, I smell gas.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, but you smell it. That's my point, Like how
did it not smell? How did they not like hear it?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It wasn't it was coming because they said it was
methane gas. I don't know where it was coming from,
but it wasn't tagged with the Mr. Captain And that's
exactly why it didn't smell. It's just but but like
to her defense, how do you even know that? I mean,
I don't know where they were tapping in, but it's
just freaking scary. I'm surprised they probably actually called the
(07:01):
fire department right away because that's like a serious concern
of an explosion of that level and they probably had
to evacuate for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
The point I just don't understand is like, did if
they turned that key when they first moved in to
use it, why did they then not realize it had to.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Be It might have been open from the previous homeowner,
or I don't know, or maybe they just thought, like,
while you're using it, you just keep it open.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, I'm not really sure, but super dangerous. So in
a similar case, this other chick in her husband bought
a new house last May and then shortly after she
started having redness around her eyes. So she was taking
these selfies and she was like, why do I look
so ugly selfies? But it turned out to be from
this crazy mold infestation in her house.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, It's it's actually crazy how it went down because
she like and the picture when you see the pictures,
you could see it is very obvious that something's going
on with her face and it almost looks like she
has like dark red circles under her eyes. But her
eyelids themselves look like they have pink eyeshadow on, and
for most people that have ever tried to put on
pink eye shadow, it doesn't. That's exactly what it looks like.
(08:16):
You got some kind of weird infection or something. Yeah,
so she went on TikTok and all of these people
were leaving comments like, dude, you got mold in your house.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's what that's from.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You're having some kind of reaction to it, which is
what keyed her in. And then she started ripping stuff
up and they found that there was mold in the
house underneath of the carpet. They got some mold sniffing dog,
which is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, I'd never heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It's cool, Like we should actually, I feel like we
should interview someone that has one of these dogs, because
there's all sorts of different like they're trained to find
live people, they're trained to find decomposed people, they're trained
for to find drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like, it's kind of really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well I'm curious about yeah, like they're because Maria was like, oh,
they announced that four dogs are going to crime con
or something, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like, oh, I can't wait to meet them.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But yeah, maybe we could talk to talk to them,
not the dogs, they're handlers, and see how they train them,
because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But thank god they discovered this. I mean, it sucks
that she had to be sick like that because she
was experiencing other symptoms first before the rash came up
on her face.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, And I mean a lot of people probably have
something like this in their house and they don't even
know it. But then other times, because this is like
an actual good example too, Like her husband lives in
the same as that cause as her, and he's like
not really getting that sick. He doesn't work from home,
so he leaves for a while and stuff. But like
some people are you know, it's just allergies right now,
(09:54):
like whatever ragweed craziness is going on right now, Like
two weeks ago, I was a mess allergy wise, nobody
else in my house is like, it's just it's the
same kind of a thing, so everyone doesn't have a
reaction to it in the same way.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And then she was saying she had to get rid
of a bunch of her stuff, including electronics, because the
spores were so deeply embedded in Yeah, which which sucks.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And they're like microscopic you can't see them, and it's
just it's scary. The interesting thing about this article is
that she's like, oh, I thought I was getting a
deal when I got this house for four hundred thousand dollars,
and you're like, four hundred thousand dollars for a house
is a deal, well, Columbus in Columbus, Ohio. Like I
could see in like New York City or California or something,
but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
New York City, a deal is getting like a one
point two million dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh my, yeah, like a like a one bedroom efficiency
or something, but I don't know. Like, so now they
had to put ten thousand dollars of remediation work into it.
They did say they had an inspection, but we all
know these inspectors are not good.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I had an inspection too, and a lot of it
they touch, like five major.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, like not having your house hooked up to the
sewage system and a hidden cesspool underneath your front law
and that one or or.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Mold under a drop the only drop ceiling in a
very small part of my house because there was a
giant hole in the roof and every time it rained
it would just rain in my living room, which we
discovered on day two of.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Living in our house.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But well, listen, that's just you know anything, any person
that knows anything about houses will tell you that a
drop ceiling in a place that really shouldn't have one
should be an alarm.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
But I think most inspectors wouldn't reply when you called
them out about it that well, it looked good, so
why would I look underneath it?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And you're like, whooh, there's no way on the planet
Earth that they replaced one of the tiles before they
were selling the house.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
All right, So last fall we talked about this Dad,
Ryan Borgwart, this was my favorite Nancy episode of all
time last year.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He think it really was talk about that a little bit.
So she was.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Covering this case and she just she was covering this
one specific detail because this girl had taken a video
of a guy riding his bike and it was believed
to be this guy, Ryan Borgwar, but I think later
they determined it was a totally separate guy that happened
to look like him and almost had an identical story.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Her video was weird though, because this lady was taking
a video up some guy who was saying really weird
shit that he would like fake his own death and
move to another country or something.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It was like, was he the same exact country? Wasn't
he going to like use Pakistan?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Like it was just bizarre, and you're like, okay, there's
another person on this planet that would bake their own
death and go to Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like okay. Anyway, So then there was an attorney on there.
I was trying to find.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
This episode, but you know, she has so many, so
it was hard to find. But I believe he said
something along the lines of like, at least he tried
to set up his family by setting up a life
insurance something that made it seem like what he did
wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
She reamed this guy out. I was. It was great.
I very rarely will.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Like, you know, when I'm listening to a podcast or
watching a show, cackle out loud. I was crying, laughing
to the point where Ricky was like, what is going on.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm like, nance's just a gem. She's so fun.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
She's just like ripping this guy a new one. Man.
Oh god, I feel like I feel like that particular one.
I was like listening to it in the kitchen while
I was like cooking, and I just was like, is
this really happening right now? And that I was like, Ray,
You've got to listen to this. This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, it was incredible. You probably you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What, because she does like YouTube, you can probably like,
can you search terms in people's youtubes for videos?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, I'll try to find it. Yeah, get out here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, maybe we could play it for our next YouTube
live because I think that that'll be.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Of interest. Oh my god. Her reaction was just priceless.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But for those of you who don't remember, we did
cover the story last fall. So Ryan Borg were faked
his death by staging at Kayak saying kayaking incident when
in reality he was talking to this woman overseas and
just basically, you know, faked his death and somehow really
quickly was able to get to Eastern Europe before they
figured out what happened. He was missing for eighty nine days,
(14:14):
So now he's been sentenced to eighty nine days in
jail to reflect them out of days he was missing,
even though they suggested he only do forty five days
in jail. But I think this judge is awesome for
being like, no, you're gonna do the exact amount of
days you were missing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
For right, and from his wife's pray, So he was
married and had children, so she thinks, I mean, but
not only that there were resources used, like they they
were like combing the lake and like looking for him
and everything. And yeah, yeah, I mean, I actually think
thirty thousand dollars is letting him off easy for the
(14:48):
amount and the worry that he put on his family.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I think at the time when this happened, we were
debating like how he was gonna get charged because technically
there's no crime of faking your own kidnapping. It's typically
what you're saying, like wasting police resources. But he technically
didn't do it because his wife reported him missing. He
didn't do it, and there was no fraud necessarily involved
(15:12):
because his wife would have filed the life insurance policy claim.
But they're saying that his charge was for misleading police.
So I thought that was great, and there needs to
be charges for falsifying crimes like this. Yeah, it should,
and it really should be a crime to It should
be a crime to fake your own death because it's
(15:35):
not obviously like it's not hurting you, but it's going
to hurt any person that's a human living in society.
It might affect someone in some kind of a way.
So also at the time, we didn't know exactly how
he got there. We knew at the time that he
went through Canada, but not exactly what went down. So
this article is saying after stashing an e bike near
(15:56):
the boat lodge, he paddled his kayak and a child's
size inflatable boat out into the lake, overturned the kayak
to look like a fake accident. He paddled the inflatable
boat to shore and rode his e bike through the
night to Madison, Wisconsin. There he boarded a bus to
Detroit and then to the Canadian border, and then he
continued on a bus to the airport, got on the
(16:17):
plane and landed. I believe in the country of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wasn't there something that like this used Bakistan person wasn't
even like real or something.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's what I thought. I didn't see anything mentioned yet I.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Heard that too, like it's just like number one, you
hate your wife and kids that much that you're gonna
freaking ride a bike in the middle of the night
to Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I don't think it's about them. He's just clearly a loser.
And he was talking like this girls so hot, like
it's just so weird. I think he was talking to
an Ai bought in us Beekistan and they agreed to
meet in Georgia, So that's how he ended up over there.
And then I don't think that Georgia has extradition with
the United States, so he had to come back willingly,
which I was surprised he did, but like, how is
(17:01):
he going to survive over there?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So another question that hasn't been answered is like did
the lady divorce him? Like I would hope so I
would hear him principles. Yeah, but people have been known
to stay with bigger scumbags, Like I'm just putting it
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Speaker 1 (18:04):
All right, This next case is for you parents out there.
Is it okay to drug your kids to get them
to go to sleep?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I think this is interesting. This is coming up because
we've talked about Casey Anthony a lot. It's definitely one
of the cases that you know, when I first started
getting interested in true crime was happening, and this was
one of the points they brought up that she possibly
gave ben a driller some form of drug to Kaylee
and that's what led to her death, and then they
tried to cover it up allegedly since she was not convicted.
(18:32):
So in this case in Texas, a man has been
convicted of manslaughter after giving his two month old baby
Benadryl to have a quote alone time with his wife,
which ultimately caused the baby's death. So this is interesting
because you're allowed to give your kids banadrill when indicated
(18:52):
for allergies to go to sleep, and it wouldn't be
considered a crime if they accidentally died if you were
giving them the proper dose. So there's lots of things
to consider here. One of the things is we didn't well,
let's just say this. If you do a simple Google search,
it'll tell you that you should not give benadryl ever
to a baby that's under six months old. So right there,
(19:15):
he's in the wrong for giving an infant that's two
months old benadryl. Even over six months old, you shouldn't
be giving benadryl ever. It's like they say, even two
years old, unless your doctor says give the baby this amount.
At the same time, there are charts online.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That say for a baby that's six to eleven or
like eleven to sixteen pounds or something, half a tea spoon.
So they didn't say in the article what the toxicology
level was on this kid. But I guess he could
argue in theory that he found this chart and his
baby was sixteen pound. I don't even think a baby
(19:56):
would be even sixteen pounds. Maybe eleven pounds is more reasonable, though, Okay,
Like if he was like, well, I know my kid's
eleven pounds and I looked up this benadryl chart and
it said that it was okay to give half a
tea spoon.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
If they were able to say that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He probably could get in trouble, but not not as much,
maybe just for negligence, because you're not supposed to give
a baby benadryl. Right, So in this case, I'm assuming
that the baby had a significant amount of benadryl. And really,
you're never supposed to give a child drugs of any kind,
(20:32):
even adults are not. You're not supposed to take benadryl
if you're not having an acute allergy which needs you know,
your eyes are watering and your nose is running out
of your face and you needed to like shut off,
or you have hives or something like that. All the
reasons that you would take benadryl, Like adults shouldn't be
taking it to go to sleep, and you definitely shouldn't
be giving it to children to sleep, especially just so
(20:54):
you could have a loane time with your wife.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well, yeah, I want to point out some things in
this case too. So the first or six kids in
this house, So the prosecution's arguing that they regularly give
kids meds to make them go to sleep so they
can have alone time to themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And this wasn't at night.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The police responded to this baby being unconscious of four pm.
So It's not like this kid wouldn't go to bed.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean, this was what does a tulmoth old baby
sometimes doesn't go to bed? Like, that's not the period
where you're like, Okay, it's seven o'clock, I'm laying this
kid in the crib and they're going to be sleeping
till seven the next morning. Like this is the period
when a child is stole waking up in the middle
of the night to feed, right.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, So the defense is saying, however, he and his
wife had failed to communicate that they had each administered
benadryl to athena on separate occasions. So is that trying
to say that they both gave her benadryl on the
same day and that's what led to her dad.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Which is fine, But I'm telling you right now, and
this goes for tile and all or anything like that.
When you look like, let's say, for example, well Lilian's
twelve years old and she's one hundred pounds. I don't
know what her tile and all dosage is. Right now,
I could go up and look up a chart online
and it'll tell me right and might say, okay, she
could take one five hundred milligram pill. If I gave
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her two, she wouldn't die. They do that on purpose
because parents are administering a drug, so they give you
like a low dose. In actuality, the kid could probably
have like triple or quadruple of that amount, who knows,
without having any kind of injury. And they've told me
as much too, in poison Control when I told you
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one time by accident. I don't know how it was
an accident, but Lucia took two doses of zero tech
one night because she drank it and then she drank
the other one and then I told Lilian to go
take hers and she didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It was it was like a mess. And I called.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Poison Control because I was convinced that my kid was
going to die in her sleep, and they were like, no,
she needs to have.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Like a lot to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, Like they do that on purpose because accidents happen
with parents, like somehow, you know, like kid takes two
by accident or whatever, Like it was my fault because
I wasn't watching them. So that's what I'm saying right here,
Like if they did look up online and it said
half a teaspoon, right and dad gave it to her
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and the mom didn't know, and then the mom gave
it to her and they didn't know. One teaspoon of
this medicine isn't going to kill this kid. So that's
what makes me think it was like.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Or it wasn't an adult portion, not a children who
even knows, who.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Even knows, So.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, it's it's just people listen, like people are
doing this. This is this is the thing that people do.
They give their kids medicine to go to sleep. This
has been like buzz like forever for my whole life.
When you were younger, it was just like, oh, just
give the kid robatasin and put them to sleep, like
it's it's like it's not a good habit. It's it's
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not and you really should just never I mean, and
you can't say like, oh, don't have benadol, because there's
definitely times that kids need it for sure, but you
just should never you never ever give it to a
child like that, like because it causes there they could
have convulsion seizures and it leads to death. I mean,
like in this case, so I don't know, there's like
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a lot going on here because they also have six kids,
and it's just like, oh, they we just wanted them
to sleep and stuff, and it's just like, well, dude,
like but if you just wanted alone time, you want
to have six exactly, Like, there's there's more to this
story here, So I wouldn't. I just don't know how
you would consider it accidental, Like it's just it's not.
I told you the ways that it could be, but
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I don't. I just don't think it is all right.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So about an hour outside of Vegas, this person is
claiming they were on a dirt road and came across
seventy piles of human creamaines.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So it's funny. I sent this article to my friend Paul, who.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was just going to say that.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, because he lives in Las Vegas. So doctor Paul Kunaris,
he's actually going to be on our show, like in
a couple of weeks, right, you were going to have
him on and he's got a lot to talk about
and we'll have him expand on this because I don't
want to give away everything that he just told me
on the phone, but he's I send it to him
because he lives in Las Vegas, and he and for
(25:23):
any of you who follow him on Instagram, his Instagram
is hex and Colet, and you could I follow him
too if you want to find him that way. But
he when he's not traveling the world and seeing other
cool stuff which he's going to talk about on our episode,
he's just driving around in the desert in Las Vegas
and like finding dead animals and just going in these
old abandoned minds and all this really cool stuff. So
(25:46):
I send it to him, of course, because I'm like,
if anyone is driving around in the Las Vegas desert
and coming across cremative remains, it's Paul, right. And he's
just like I sent him this article and he's like, yeah,
I don't know why they think this is a big deal.
He's like, I just took this picture today and sends
me like he literally was like, I just took this
five minutes ago of creamines in the desert. He's like,
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I see them all day every day people. And I'll
let him expand on why he thinks that they're out there,
But I guess I guess Paul is saying that this
is a common occurrence.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I don't think it's weird to come across creamines in
this situation like this. I think the amount of them
in the piles they were in is what is weird.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, so they're saying like, there's not really any laws
for burying someone in the desert or put in their
remains in the desert, but there are laws about like
mass cremation. And clearly this is seventy different bodies. And
what Paul said, and we'll i'll say right now is
which I agree with him to an extent, is that
this could be For example, we were just talking about
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this yesterday when we were talking about our family members
dying in cremation and.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
If you if you if your family member dies and
you don't claim them at the hospital, they'll send their
body to the medical examiner's office at least around here anyway,
or if they die and they're at the medical exam everywhere, yeah,
like well every place doesn't have a medical examiner's office,
so it varies from state to state. But if you
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so your family members at the medical examiner's office and
they try to contact you and they find you and
they're just like you need to come pick this person up.
Like what if you have no money, Like you might
not have any money to do a funeral or anything,
and a lot of times people just like leave their
family members unclaimed, and eventually the Medical Examiner's office will
like take all these people because they can't have people
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living there for five or ten years. They take them
and get them cremated. And like I believe in Philadelphia,
at least when I was at the Medical Examiner's office,
that these creamanes get put because I know that happened
with the unclaimed fetuses that we would get at the
hospital too, and like little babies and things like that.
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We had like a lot, and then they would come
pick them up every couple of months, do like a
mass cremation and bury them in a cemetery as and
like this way, if the family ever wanted to go visit,
they at least had a place to go visit the
remains of their loved one they couldn't afford. But I
don't know, it might be like that's not happening in
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this case, and that's where all these bodies are coming from.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
To that point.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
In Nevada, you're allowed to scatter ashes, but they say
commercial distribution is not allowed, which I would say falls
under that blanket of like a medical examiner putting all
the unclaimed ashes in one bulk looking well.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
But that's not really commercial. That's like state, That's what
I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's no, I think that falls under that bracket of
many people, because who else is under the under the
guise of.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Commercial crematory or anybody that has unclaim remains.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's just an unusual spot, like you're saying, they put
them in the like nice spot. And if you're like
this is like in the middle of a desert right
outstead of a small community, what's bizarre is that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like there's like seventy individual piles, like someone took the
time to like pour out each individual, like they didn't
just mix them all together and be like here, like well, they.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Said they also found a bunch of fragments of zip
ties and a broken urn at the scene. I don't
know what that's about, or if they're even connected.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It just seems like a very zip types sound very weird.
Yeah right, it's very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, we'll like listen, Paul's got we'll talk to him
in a couple of weeks about this, because he's got
like he knows everything when it comes to this kind
of stuff. So it'll be a really interesting episode for sure.
Oh if any of you have been following him over
in Indonesia about what he's looking at right now, it's outrageous.
And he was texting me and telling me all these
stories and I'm like, listen, like someone else needs to
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hear this besides me, because.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
This is so interesting. So we'll talk to him about that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It is interesting. And if you want to know more
about what happens with unclaimed bodies, we actually did a
great external exam. But believe it was in March of
twenty twenty four. These two people wrote this awesome book
called The Unclaimed. You could just search that and Mother
Knows Death and it will come up. And they had
written this book and talked about exactly what happens, at
least in Los Angeles with unclaimed bodies, and they ended
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up finding four people that were unclaimed in backtrack and
learned what led to them, like what happened in their
life that led to that point. And honestly, it's really
upsetting to read that, you know, it used.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
To pick up their life.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I always used to think about that because we
had circumstances at the hospital, like I used to release
all the bodies to the funeral homes and they're you know,
if someone was there, our rule was if they were
there for more than five days, we would call the
medical examiner and say, like, you have to come pick
them up because we can't We certainly can't have bodies
decomposing in a hospital more refrigerator, right, No, And also
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we didn't have the space to have like one of
the spots taken up by somebody. And you understand, like
actually being in a city like Philadelphia, you would say, okay,
people are from out of town, like it takes a
couple of days to get the funeral situated. But like
in five days, if you don't have somebody picking up
the body, like you don't have to have the funeral,
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but it could stay at the funeral home because they
can embom the person and keep them there, like, it's
not our problem. And if if you can't get the body,
like we would do certain circumstances, if someone like for example,
said oh, I'm trying to get up the money and
I need another two days, then we'd be like, Okay,
we weren't. We were like inhumane, but like you know,
we we would just be send it to the Medical
(31:35):
Examiner's office. And you would just be like sometimes you
couldn't even find a family member to call, and you're like,
how does this person not have anybody, well, anybody to
come pick them up.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's just sad, it really is.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
All right, guys, we're looking forward to seeing some people
at the Crime Con kickoff party tonight, or you could
see us at our live show tomorrow and I think
it's at five point fifteen, right, Yeah, but we can't
wait to go to crime Con and see everybody.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, and that's going to be really cool. And then
of course we're doing a live taping at crime Con,
so we will let you guys listen to that episode
and how incredibly.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Awkward it might be for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Last year was the first time that we did it,
and I think this time will be a little bit
more natural for us. It's just hard because we're used
to being in our you know right now, like we're
looking at our computers and doing this, and it's instead
it's like we're looking at each other and sitting in
front of an audience. It's just like a little bit
(32:38):
of a different way to do our show. But yeah,
looking forward to it. We have some good stories saved
up for that day.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's definitely a big difference in what we're doing now
versus thet All right, we'll share it with you guys,
though you could determine for yourself if you think it's
way more awkward than our normal shit.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
On today's episode, we're going to talk about a couple
of different ways that people's houses are making them sick.
An update on the father who faked his own death,
parents who drug their kids to go to sleep, and
piles of human creamines found in the desert. All that
and more on today's episode, Let's talk about how houses
are making people sick.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
All right, So, first up, we have Maddie Pruitt of
The Bachelor. So she recently shared that her and her
husband bought a home around the time they got married
in October twenty twenty two, and immediately faced a bunch
of issues. So I want to say welcome to the club, sister,
because so did I.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah. I think that people that buy a house could
say this, that they have some kind of issues when
they move in, but hers were like a little bit
more severe than the average homeowner. She was they felt
like they were both getting sick at the house, and
they know that it was specific to the house because
when they would leave they would feel better.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, And they noticed some mold and they said there
was a bunch of bugs in the house, and they
just assumed that their illness was related to the mold.
So they had this guy come in or I guess
a plumber come in to investigate it. And he immediately said,
you know what, I'm going to test the house for gas.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So he puts on the gas meter and the thing
started going nuts. And he was like, oh, you see
that fireplace over there, have you used it? And they
said yeah, we just use it with this little remote.
And then he said, well, do you turn off the
gas after you use it? And they say, yeah, we
just turn it off with this remote. And he's like, no,
(01:53):
you actually have to turn off the gas. And here
they were living there for what three months almost yeah,
and they had never turned the gas off. The gas
line was opened the entire time.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Let me tell you how this would happen to me,
no problem at all. I wouldn't even think about it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Listen, like this is a serious Like they're lucky they're
not dead, because if they like lit a candle or
turned on a gas stove like that house would have exploded.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Do you think they had electric heat or electric oven then?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Because they had to.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of how do you not light a flame in three
months living somewhere.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know, no, totally. I mean, they're they're absolutely lucky.
They're lucky they didn't get more sick. They're lucky the
house didn't blow up. This could have been really horrific.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So I guess my question is, like, what.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Normally, if your gas line is open, it smells like eggs, right, yeah,
in your house if you leave your stone on by accident.
So normally, like natural gas is mostly made up of methane,
which is what she's saying was a methane gas leak,
but they put like a tag on it of mere captain,
which makes it smell. That's because normally natural gas has
(03:12):
no smell. The whole reason that it smells is because
they want to alert homeowners two exact situations like this,
Where was where were they getting gas from? That wasn't
that didn't have more captain in it? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I guess Another question I have is was it only
open in the three months they owned the house or
did the previous homeowner open it, because wouldn't they have
known there was that turnkey on the side that operated
the gas line or not if they had to turn
it on to use the fireplace in the first place.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know, I know that you're saying that you would
do this, but like you have if you're going to
own a house, you have to have a brain a
little bit, right, Like seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Like, yeah, but there's no light in my house.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That people acted like I was an absolutely idy it over,
but I just really didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Like when you light a grill, for example, I like
the grill a couple times a week when I go
outside and cook, Right, you turn on, you open the propane,
and then you have to go to the over to
the grill itself.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And light it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, as soon as.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I turn off the burners on the grill, I go
back to the propane tank and turn off the propeine.
Like all all that little remote is doing is just
causing a little flicker to ignite it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's all that does.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I guess what I'm saying is, did they know
that's how it operated?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, Like, if you're operating gas products in your house.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You should know that, right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, but think about what happened in my house. Remember
when we bought the house and they made that whole
big deal about that oil tank being in the basement
because it wasn't in use and all this stuff. And
then a couple months later, I mean this, this is
going to come across.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
As me being a huge idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So like then winter time comes, I have the heat on,
and then my heat stops working. I have a guy
come out. He's like, you ran out an oil idiot,
basically right, And I'm like, well, I thought the house
was forced heat. I didn't know it was coming from
the oil tank. Well, I mean, and they made a
point to make that big deal of it. Remember when
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we were looking at the house that the tank shouldn't
even have been there. Yeah, that's where it was coming
from anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I mean I get that. I get that. And
that's what happens when like you.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Young kids buy a house and you don't really you
don't really like understand the full depths of like what
you know, cause like mommy and Daddy always took care
for care of it free, you know, so like I
understand that. It's just like there has you have to
have a certain level of like understanding of how things work,
because dude, this case could have been really really really
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really bad. No, it's like a imagine seriously, like even outside,
not in a confined space. Imagine if you left the
propane open on the grill to be leaking out like
that for for months. I mean, it would just cause
a huge explosion.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I just don't I still don't understand. But even with
the does the propane not smell? I feel like you
could hear like a hissing. I feel like, you know
when it's on, Like how did they just not.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Know what was on? There was no sound. It happens.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It happens at my house often, like I don't know,
I'll bump into one of the burners on the grill
or something like that, and all of a sudden, I'm
in the kitchen and I'm like, I smell gas.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, but you smell it. That's my point, Like how
did it not smell? How did they not like hear it?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It wasn't it was coming because they said it was
methane gas. I don't know where it was coming from,
but it wasn't tagged with the Mr. Captain And that's
exactly why it didn't smell. It's just but but like
to her defense, how do you even know that? I mean,
I don't know where they were tapping in, but it's
just freaking scary. I'm surprised they probably actually called the
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fire department right away because that's like a serious concern
of an explosion of that level and they probably had
to evacuate for a while.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
The point I just don't understand is like, did if
they turned that key when they first moved in to
use it, why did they then not realize it had to.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Be It might have been open from the previous homeowner,
or I don't know, or maybe they just thought, like,
while you're using it, you just keep it open.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, I'm not really sure, but super dangerous. So in
a similar case, this other chick in her husband bought
a new house last May and then shortly after she
started having redness around her eyes. So she was taking
these selfies and she was like, why do I look
so ugly selfies? But it turned out to be from
this crazy mold infestation in her house.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, It's it's actually crazy how it went down because
she like and the picture when you see the pictures,
you could see it is very obvious that something's going
on with her face and it almost looks like she
has like dark red circles under her eyes. But her
eyelids themselves look like they have pink eyeshadow on, and
for most people that have ever tried to put on
pink eye shadow, it doesn't. That's exactly what it looks like.
(08:16):
You got some kind of weird infection or something. Yeah,
so she went on TikTok and all of these people
were leaving comments like, dude, you got mold in your house.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's what that's from.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You're having some kind of reaction to it, which is
what keyed her in. And then she started ripping stuff
up and they found that there was mold in the
house underneath of the carpet. They got some mold sniffing dog,
which is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, I'd never heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It's cool, Like we should actually, I feel like we
should interview someone that has one of these dogs, because
there's all sorts of different like they're trained to find
live people, they're trained to find decomposed people, they're trained
for to find drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like, it's kind of really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well I'm curious about yeah, like they're because Maria was like, oh,
they announced that four dogs are going to crime con
or something, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like, oh, I can't wait to meet them.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But yeah, maybe we could talk to talk to them,
not the dogs, they're handlers, and see how they train them,
because it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But thank god they discovered this. I mean, it sucks
that she had to be sick like that because she
was experiencing other symptoms first before the rash came up
on her face.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, And I mean a lot of people probably have
something like this in their house and they don't even
know it. But then other times, because this is like
an actual good example too, Like her husband lives in
the same as that cause as her, and he's like
not really getting that sick. He doesn't work from home,
so he leaves for a while and stuff. But like
some people are you know, it's just allergies right now,
(09:54):
like whatever ragweed craziness is going on right now, Like
two weeks ago, I was a mess allergy wise, nobody
else in my house is like, it's just it's the
same kind of a thing, so everyone doesn't have a
reaction to it in the same way.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And then she was saying she had to get rid
of a bunch of her stuff, including electronics, because the
spores were so deeply embedded in Yeah, which which sucks.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And they're like microscopic you can't see them, and it's
just it's scary. The interesting thing about this article is
that she's like, oh, I thought I was getting a
deal when I got this house for four hundred thousand dollars,
and you're like, four hundred thousand dollars for a house
is a deal, well, Columbus in Columbus, Ohio. Like I
could see in like New York City or California or something,
but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
New York City, a deal is getting like a one
point two million dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh my, yeah, like a like a one bedroom efficiency
or something, but I don't know. Like, so now they
had to put ten thousand dollars of remediation work into it.
They did say they had an inspection, but we all
know these inspectors are not good.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I had an inspection too, and a lot of it
they touch, like five major.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, like not having your house hooked up to the
sewage system and a hidden cesspool underneath your front law
and that one or or.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Mold under a drop the only drop ceiling in a
very small part of my house because there was a
giant hole in the roof and every time it rained
it would just rain in my living room, which we
discovered on day two of.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Living in our house.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But well, listen, that's just you know anything, any person
that knows anything about houses will tell you that a
drop ceiling in a place that really shouldn't have one
should be an alarm.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
But I think most inspectors wouldn't reply when you called
them out about it that well, it looked good, so
why would I look underneath it?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And you're like, whooh, there's no way on the planet
Earth that they replaced one of the tiles before they
were selling the house.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
All right, So last fall we talked about this Dad,
Ryan Borgwart, this was my favorite Nancy episode of all
time last year.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He think it really was talk about that a little bit.
So she was.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Covering this case and she just she was covering this
one specific detail because this girl had taken a video
of a guy riding his bike and it was believed
to be this guy, Ryan Borgwar, but I think later
they determined it was a totally separate guy that happened
to look like him and almost had an identical story.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Her video was weird though, because this lady was taking
a video up some guy who was saying really weird
shit that he would like fake his own death and
move to another country or something.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It was like, was he the same exact country? Wasn't
he going to like use Pakistan?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Like it was just bizarre, and you're like, okay, there's
another person on this planet that would bake their own
death and go to Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Like okay. Anyway, So then there was an attorney on there.
I was trying to find.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
This episode, but you know, she has so many, so
it was hard to find. But I believe he said
something along the lines of like, at least he tried
to set up his family by setting up a life
insurance something that made it seem like what he did
wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
She reamed this guy out. I was. It was great.
I very rarely will.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Like, you know, when I'm listening to a podcast or
watching a show, cackle out loud. I was crying, laughing
to the point where Ricky was like, what is going on.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm like, nance's just a gem. She's so fun.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
She's just like ripping this guy a new one. Man.
Oh god, I feel like I feel like that particular one.
I was like listening to it in the kitchen while
I was like cooking, and I just was like, is
this really happening right now? And that I was like, Ray,
You've got to listen to this. This is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, it was incredible. You probably you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What, because she does like YouTube, you can probably like,
can you search terms in people's youtubes for videos?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, I'll try to find it. Yeah, get out here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, maybe we could play it for our next YouTube
live because I think that that'll be.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Of interest. Oh my god. Her reaction was just priceless.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But for those of you who don't remember, we did
cover the story last fall. So Ryan Borg were faked
his death by staging at Kayak saying kayaking incident when
in reality he was talking to this woman overseas and
just basically, you know, faked his death and somehow really
quickly was able to get to Eastern Europe before they
figured out what happened. He was missing for eighty nine days,
(14:14):
So now he's been sentenced to eighty nine days in
jail to reflect them out of days he was missing,
even though they suggested he only do forty five days
in jail. But I think this judge is awesome for
being like, no, you're gonna do the exact amount of
days you were missing.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
For right, and from his wife's pray, So he was
married and had children, so she thinks, I mean, but
not only that there were resources used, like they they
were like combing the lake and like looking for him
and everything. And yeah, yeah, I mean, I actually think
thirty thousand dollars is letting him off easy for the
(14:48):
amount and the worry that he put on his family.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I think at the time when this happened, we were
debating like how he was gonna get charged because technically
there's no crime of faking your own kidnapping. It's typically
what you're saying, like wasting police resources. But he technically
didn't do it because his wife reported him missing. He
didn't do it, and there was no fraud necessarily involved
(15:12):
because his wife would have filed the life insurance policy claim.
But they're saying that his charge was for misleading police.
So I thought that was great, and there needs to
be charges for falsifying crimes like this. Yeah, it should,
and it really should be a crime to It should
be a crime to fake your own death because it's
(15:35):
not obviously like it's not hurting you, but it's going
to hurt any person that's a human living in society.
It might affect someone in some kind of a way.
So also at the time, we didn't know exactly how
he got there. We knew at the time that he
went through Canada, but not exactly what went down. So
this article is saying after stashing an e bike near
(15:56):
the boat lodge, he paddled his kayak and a child's
size inflatable boat out into the lake, overturned the kayak
to look like a fake accident. He paddled the inflatable
boat to shore and rode his e bike through the
night to Madison, Wisconsin. There he boarded a bus to
Detroit and then to the Canadian border, and then he
continued on a bus to the airport, got on the
(16:17):
plane and landed. I believe in the country of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wasn't there something that like this used Bakistan person wasn't
even like real or something.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's what I thought. I didn't see anything mentioned yet I.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Heard that too, like it's just like number one, you
hate your wife and kids that much that you're gonna
freaking ride a bike in the middle of the night
to Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I don't think it's about them. He's just clearly a loser.
And he was talking like this girls so hot, like
it's just so weird. I think he was talking to
an Ai bought in us Beekistan and they agreed to
meet in Georgia, So that's how he ended up over there.
And then I don't think that Georgia has extradition with
the United States, so he had to come back willingly,
which I was surprised he did, but like, how is
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he going to survive over there?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So another question that hasn't been answered is like did
the lady divorce him? Like I would hope so I
would hear him principles. Yeah, but people have been known
to stay with bigger scumbags, Like I'm just putting it
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Speaker 1 (18:04):
All right, This next case is for you parents out there.
Is it okay to drug your kids to get them
to go to sleep?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I think this is interesting. This is coming up because
we've talked about Casey Anthony a lot. It's definitely one
of the cases that you know, when I first started
getting interested in true crime was happening, and this was
one of the points they brought up that she possibly
gave ben a driller some form of drug to Kaylee
and that's what led to her death, and then they
tried to cover it up allegedly since she was not convicted.
(18:32):
So in this case in Texas, a man has been
convicted of manslaughter after giving his two month old baby
Benadryl to have a quote alone time with his wife,
which ultimately caused the baby's death. So this is interesting
because you're allowed to give your kids banadrill when indicated
(18:52):
for allergies to go to sleep, and it wouldn't be
considered a crime if they accidentally died if you were
giving them the proper dose. So there's lots of things
to consider here. One of the things is we didn't well,
let's just say this. If you do a simple Google search,
it'll tell you that you should not give benadryl ever
to a baby that's under six months old. So right there,
(19:15):
he's in the wrong for giving an infant that's two
months old benadryl. Even over six months old, you shouldn't
be giving benadryl ever. It's like they say, even two
years old, unless your doctor says give the baby this amount.
At the same time, there are charts online.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
That say for a baby that's six to eleven or
like eleven to sixteen pounds or something, half a tea spoon.
So they didn't say in the article what the toxicology
level was on this kid. But I guess he could
argue in theory that he found this chart and his
baby was sixteen pound. I don't even think a baby
(19:56):
would be even sixteen pounds. Maybe eleven pounds is more reasonable, though, Okay,
Like if he was like, well, I know my kid's
eleven pounds and I looked up this benadryl chart and
it said that it was okay to give half a
tea spoon.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
If they were able to say that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
He probably could get in trouble, but not not as much,
maybe just for negligence, because you're not supposed to give
a baby benadryl. Right, So in this case, I'm assuming
that the baby had a significant amount of benadryl. And really,
you're never supposed to give a child drugs of any kind,
(20:32):
even adults are not. You're not supposed to take benadryl
if you're not having an acute allergy which needs you know,
your eyes are watering and your nose is running out
of your face and you needed to like shut off,
or you have hives or something like that. All the
reasons that you would take benadryl, Like adults shouldn't be
taking it to go to sleep, and you definitely shouldn't
be giving it to children to sleep, especially just so
(20:54):
you could have a loane time with your wife.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well, yeah, I want to point out some things in
this case too. So the first or six kids in
this house, So the prosecution's arguing that they regularly give
kids meds to make them go to sleep so they
can have alone time to themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And this wasn't at night.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
The police responded to this baby being unconscious of four pm.
So It's not like this kid wouldn't go to bed.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean, this was what does a tulmoth old baby
sometimes doesn't go to bed? Like, that's not the period
where you're like, Okay, it's seven o'clock, I'm laying this
kid in the crib and they're going to be sleeping
till seven the next morning. Like this is the period
when a child is stole waking up in the middle
of the night to feed, right.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, So the defense is saying, however, he and his
wife had failed to communicate that they had each administered
benadryl to athena on separate occasions. So is that trying
to say that they both gave her benadryl on the
same day and that's what led to her dad.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Which is fine, But I'm telling you right now, and
this goes for tile and all or anything like that.
When you look like, let's say, for example, well Lilian's
twelve years old and she's one hundred pounds. I don't
know what her tile and all dosage is. Right now,
I could go up and look up a chart online
and it'll tell me right and might say, okay, she
could take one five hundred milligram pill. If I gave
(22:14):
her two, she wouldn't die. They do that on purpose
because parents are administering a drug, so they give you
like a low dose. In actuality, the kid could probably
have like triple or quadruple of that amount, who knows,
without having any kind of injury. And they've told me
as much too, in poison Control when I told you
(22:34):
one time by accident. I don't know how it was
an accident, but Lucia took two doses of zero tech
one night because she drank it and then she drank
the other one and then I told Lilian to go
take hers and she didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It was it was like a mess. And I called.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Poison Control because I was convinced that my kid was
going to die in her sleep, and they were like, no,
she needs to have.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Like a lot to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, Like they do that on purpose because accidents happen
with parents, like somehow, you know, like kid takes two
by accident or whatever, Like it was my fault because
I wasn't watching them. So that's what I'm saying right here,
Like if they did look up online and it said
half a teaspoon, right and dad gave it to her
(23:21):
and the mom didn't know, and then the mom gave
it to her and they didn't know. One teaspoon of
this medicine isn't going to kill this kid. So that's
what makes me think it was like.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Or it wasn't an adult portion, not a children who
even knows, who.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Even knows, So.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean, it's it's just people listen, like people are
doing this. This is this is the thing that people do.
They give their kids medicine to go to sleep. This
has been like buzz like forever for my whole life.
When you were younger, it was just like, oh, just
give the kid robatasin and put them to sleep, like
it's it's like it's not a good habit. It's it's
(23:59):
not and you really should just never I mean, and
you can't say like, oh, don't have benadol, because there's
definitely times that kids need it for sure, but you
just should never you never ever give it to a
child like that, like because it causes there they could
have convulsion seizures and it leads to death. I mean,
like in this case, so I don't know, there's like
(24:22):
a lot going on here because they also have six kids,
and it's just like, oh, they we just wanted them
to sleep and stuff, and it's just like, well, dude,
like but if you just wanted alone time, you want
to have six exactly, Like, there's there's more to this
story here, So I wouldn't. I just don't know how
you would consider it accidental, Like it's just it's not.
I told you the ways that it could be, but
(24:44):
I don't. I just don't think it is all right.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
So about an hour outside of Vegas, this person is
claiming they were on a dirt road and came across
seventy piles of human creamaines.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So it's funny. I sent this article to my friend Paul, who.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was just going to say that.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, because he lives in Las Vegas. So doctor Paul Kunaris,
he's actually going to be on our show, like in
a couple of weeks, right, you were going to have
him on and he's got a lot to talk about
and we'll have him expand on this because I don't
want to give away everything that he just told me
on the phone, but he's I send it to him
because he lives in Las Vegas, and he and for
(25:23):
any of you who follow him on Instagram, his Instagram
is hex and Colet, and you could I follow him
too if you want to find him that way. But
he when he's not traveling the world and seeing other
cool stuff which he's going to talk about on our episode,
he's just driving around in the desert in Las Vegas
and like finding dead animals and just going in these
old abandoned minds and all this really cool stuff. So
(25:46):
I send it to him, of course, because I'm like,
if anyone is driving around in the Las Vegas desert
and coming across cremative remains, it's Paul, right. And he's
just like I sent him this article and he's like, yeah,
I don't know why they think this is a big deal.
He's like, I just took this picture today and sends
me like he literally was like, I just took this
five minutes ago of creamines in the desert. He's like,
(26:08):
I see them all day every day people. And I'll
let him expand on why he thinks that they're out there,
But I guess I guess Paul is saying that this
is a common occurrence.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I don't think it's weird to come across creamines in
this situation like this. I think the amount of them
in the piles they were in is what is weird.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, so they're saying like, there's not really any laws
for burying someone in the desert or put in their
remains in the desert, but there are laws about like
mass cremation. And clearly this is seventy different bodies. And
what Paul said, and we'll i'll say right now is
which I agree with him to an extent, is that
this could be For example, we were just talking about
(26:53):
this yesterday when we were talking about our family members
dying in cremation and.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
If you if you if your family member dies and
you don't claim them at the hospital, they'll send their
body to the medical examiner's office at least around here anyway,
or if they die and they're at the medical exam everywhere, yeah,
like well every place doesn't have a medical examiner's office,
so it varies from state to state. But if you
(27:21):
so your family members at the medical examiner's office and
they try to contact you and they find you and
they're just like you need to come pick this person up.
Like what if you have no money, Like you might
not have any money to do a funeral or anything,
and a lot of times people just like leave their
family members unclaimed, and eventually the Medical Examiner's office will
like take all these people because they can't have people
(27:43):
living there for five or ten years. They take them
and get them cremated. And like I believe in Philadelphia,
at least when I was at the Medical Examiner's office,
that these creamanes get put because I know that happened
with the unclaimed fetuses that we would get at the
hospital too, and like little babies and things like that.
(28:03):
We had like a lot, and then they would come
pick them up every couple of months, do like a
mass cremation and bury them in a cemetery as and
like this way, if the family ever wanted to go visit,
they at least had a place to go visit the
remains of their loved one they couldn't afford. But I
don't know, it might be like that's not happening in
(28:25):
this case, and that's where all these bodies are coming from.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
To that point.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
In Nevada, you're allowed to scatter ashes, but they say
commercial distribution is not allowed, which I would say falls
under that blanket of like a medical examiner putting all
the unclaimed ashes in one bulk looking well.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
But that's not really commercial. That's like state, That's what
I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's no, I think that falls under that bracket of
many people, because who else is under the under the
guise of.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Commercial crematory or anybody that has unclaim remains.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's just an unusual spot, like you're saying, they put
them in the like nice spot. And if you're like
this is like in the middle of a desert right
outstead of a small community, what's bizarre is that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like there's like seventy individual piles, like someone took the
time to like pour out each individual, like they didn't
just mix them all together and be like here, like well, they.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Said they also found a bunch of fragments of zip
ties and a broken urn at the scene. I don't
know what that's about, or if they're even connected.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It just seems like a very zip types sound very weird.
Yeah right, it's very Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, we'll like listen, Paul's got we'll talk to him
in a couple of weeks about this, because he's got
like he knows everything when it comes to this kind
of stuff. So it'll be a really interesting episode for sure.
Oh if any of you have been following him over
in Indonesia about what he's looking at right now, it's outrageous.
And he was texting me and telling me all these
stories and I'm like, listen, like someone else needs to
(29:52):
hear this besides me, because.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
This is so interesting. So we'll talk to him about that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
It is interesting. And if you want to know more
about what happens with unclaimed bodies, we actually did a
great external exam. But believe it was in March of
twenty twenty four. These two people wrote this awesome book
called The Unclaimed. You could just search that and Mother
Knows Death and it will come up. And they had
written this book and talked about exactly what happens, at
least in Los Angeles with unclaimed bodies, and they ended
(30:20):
up finding four people that were unclaimed in backtrack and
learned what led to them, like what happened in their
life that led to that point. And honestly, it's really
upsetting to read that, you know, it used.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
To pick up their life.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I always used to think about that because we
had circumstances at the hospital, like I used to release
all the bodies to the funeral homes and they're you know,
if someone was there, our rule was if they were
there for more than five days, we would call the
medical examiner and say, like, you have to come pick
them up because we can't We certainly can't have bodies
decomposing in a hospital more refrigerator, right, No, And also
(30:53):
we didn't have the space to have like one of
the spots taken up by somebody. And you understand, like
actually being in a city like Philadelphia, you would say, okay,
people are from out of town, like it takes a
couple of days to get the funeral situated. But like
in five days, if you don't have somebody picking up
the body, like you don't have to have the funeral,
(31:13):
but it could stay at the funeral home because they
can embom the person and keep them there, like, it's
not our problem. And if if you can't get the body,
like we would do certain circumstances, if someone like for example,
said oh, I'm trying to get up the money and
I need another two days, then we'd be like, Okay,
we weren't. We were like inhumane, but like you know,
we we would just be send it to the Medical
(31:35):
Examiner's office. And you would just be like sometimes you
couldn't even find a family member to call, and you're like,
how does this person not have anybody, well, anybody to
come pick them up.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's just sad, it really is.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
All right, guys, we're looking forward to seeing some people
at the Crime Con kickoff party tonight, or you could
see us at our live show tomorrow and I think
it's at five point fifteen, right, Yeah, but we can't
wait to go to crime Con and see everybody.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, and that's going to be really cool. And then
of course we're doing a live taping at crime Con,
so we will let you guys listen to that episode
and how incredibly.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Awkward it might be for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Last year was the first time that we did it,
and I think this time will be a little bit
more natural for us. It's just hard because we're used
to being in our you know right now, like we're
looking at our computers and doing this, and it's instead
it's like we're looking at each other and sitting in
front of an audience. It's just like a little bit
(32:38):
of a different way to do our show. But yeah,
looking forward to it. We have some good stories saved
up for that day.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's definitely a big difference in what we're doing now
versus thet All right, we'll share it with you guys,
though you could determine for yourself if you think it's
way more awkward than our normal shit.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
All right, Well, we're very excited to see everybody there.
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