All That You Can’t Leave Behind w/ Trishelle Cannatella

Tori and Aneesa are joined by Challenge Icon, Trishelle Cannatella, to discuss the second episode of The Challenge: All Stars. They get into Trishelle's apology to Aneesa, that insane elimination, and Katie and Trishelle's falling out.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up everyone. I'm Tor and I'm Anissa, and this
is MTV's official Challenge podcast where we go behind the
scenes of the Challenge All Stars. I am loving this
season so much, not just because I was on it,
but because it's so exciting. And today we are discussing
the epic Trivia Challenge and the return of an epic elimination. Yes,

(00:22):
and later in the episode, we're talking to a Challenge legend,
Trishell Canadella, and you don't want to miss it, all right,
let's go, okay, alright, So now we are going to
do our famous a new addition to the podcast, Our

(00:45):
time Bomb, where we do a recap and honor of
the twenty two Badass Challenged competitors that came back to
do the Challenge All Stars. So, you know, Tori, since
you make me do it first every time, it is
your turn. Twenty two seconds. Funk it up, girl, right now? No,

(01:05):
Tory tomorrow? Yes now? Seconds? Okay, Okay, yeah, let's go.
So it starts off with this really nice apology from
Trachelle to Anisha Anissa, which I think that it was
so beautiful to watch, and he said, you handled that
like a beautiful champion, and it's really nice to see
people make amends, especially after something like that. So I'm
really happy about that. Not only does it needs to
have this beautiful moment, she also wins the next challenge

(01:25):
that she absolutely kills trivia. I don't know how she
did it. She had literally everything ever from the challenge
remembered in her brain. I don't know, did you like
watch the Caesar something bad? Anyway, he needs to crushes it.
As always, she's safe and then okay, yeah, that's twenty
four seconds to even get in anything. Oh God, how
need you to save me? Right? Ready? So go? I

(01:47):
win the challenge along with na Miya. That means Nea
gets a lifesaver and I am safe from elimination. Words
I do not here often. But do you know who's
not safe from elimination? That's Trachelle even though we made up.
I'm very upset to see her going because she is
actually a funny girl. Her and Katie getting the fight
in the middle of the night, wake Acela and I up.
Not so fun. Then we vote in, well, I don't
vote in because I want um. They voted in Kendall

(02:08):
to go against Trachelle in the first woman's elimination. Oh
my gosh, it's like so hard to get all of
us out. They need to make the cast like sixty
sixty people so you can get sixty seconds to actually
explain this, but unfortunately we can't. Is what we're working with. Well,
you know what, and he said, let's pick a play
of the day. What do you think it was. I

(02:31):
think one of the plays of the day was that
Trachelle took it upon herself too, because she already apologized
to me a while ago. Um, but in my face
sitting down and I know she was nervous to talk
to me, um, And just having that moment where we
could you know, be transparent and she could you know,
be open and feel safe to speak to me about

(02:52):
it was was an awesome play the day. I like
that we can show growth and forgiveness and if there's
a teachable moment or it's someone has learned something, we
should celebrate that instead of canceling people immediately unless I
do some really messed up ship. I mean, yeah, it
was racially insensitive, and yeah it was ten years ago almost,
and I think and I know she's really sorry, and

(03:14):
I know she's done work to be a better person.
So I thanked Trachelle for um just you know, righting
her wrongs. Yeah, and I think it was a really
important moment to have because, like you know, we see
this happening so much in our culture right now, and
people are getting canceled and sometimes it's warranted and worth it,
and the other times, when, like you said, when people
can heal and grow, it just gives hope. I think back,

(03:36):
it's like okay, like, yeah, we people make mistakes, and like,
as long as you can grow and learn, I mean,
if it wasn't the worst mistake in the world, you know,
it's beautiful to watch. It was beautiful to watch you
accept her apology. So I'm really grateful that we were
able to have that moment. Yeah, dirty is deed. Yeah,
what do you think, I don't know you think Kendall

(03:57):
not jumping in the water. I mean, so let me
tell you this. When you were getting to those little circles,
I mean, I'm a bigger girl, so like I know,
I would have been out on the second one, right,
these thinner girls were getting to the third one and
they weren't breaking. They had to jump through them, and
Kendall was like Kendall jump right over it. I'm like,

(04:20):
what are you doing? She's like, I don't want to
smash my face. Now. Katie just fell, and I can
understand that instant trauma of like Katie literally had like
a black and blue channel bloody, not like Katie always
falls badly so every time. Um, And I think Kendall
wasn't thinking and just jumped forward. But it wasn't smart
because it was really unsafe then, because safety is like,

(04:42):
well what do we You can't jump back in? You know,
it was built the way it was built for a reason.
So I think the dirtiest seat about that was her
not telling the truth about it. She had just been like, y'all,
I'm scared, Like I just jumped forward. I wasn't thinking.
I'm sorry, yeah, and that's it. People would have been like,

(05:03):
all right, totally. But I think it's just like people
look for a reason. People need a reason to vote
somebody in and like that. Maybe it's not a really
good reason, but people look for any reason. So it's
kind of that. That's just how the game is. That's
how the challenge has always been played. I mean, they're
playing it was a little well when we get into
the episode. We can talk about it. Okay, let's talk

(05:23):
about it. This episode was awesome. We had a trivia
challenge come up early. It was called Ancient Challenge History.
I feel like a fucking I feel like a dinosaur ancient.
On the Ancient Chalel Trivi, we talked about the first dinosaur.

(05:44):
I guess that's how I felt like not to dust
off of them totally. I mean, it was so crazy
to like watch everybody like relive things in their head,
like when you were asked those questions and like obviously
you were there on some of those challenges. Did it
just like make you think about old memories like the
to bring up No, it didn't bring up shit. I
was so scared because I don't want to fall. It's

(06:04):
one of those things where like I knew I was
going to fall if I got to the second one.
So I was like, you can't get these wrong. And
I think it was the fear of like watching people
just fall. And I was like, you never went when
trivia and I was answering everybody else's questions right in
my head, and I think that I just had the
confidence and the wherewithal to like do at this time.

(06:25):
But I've for the record, everyone, I've never won challenge trivia.
I am not that good at trivia. So this is
a historic moment in your challenge career, an ancient, ancient
challenge career. You you now have a new plaque to
add to the fossil of your care I am yes, yes,

(06:48):
I do have another. Yes, I do have another plaque
to throw up on the wall for this. I mean,
it really is a first for me, and I feel
very good about it. Um. The guy's round was amazing too. Yeah,
And what you don't know is that the first there
was a round before that that was just like random facts,
like another name for the mona Lisa, and like whatever

(07:10):
else like, and I even knew that. I was like,
what the fund is going on? I mean, what is pie?
Like what I mean? People were getting answers wrong. So
the first round kind of knocked people out because it
was like general trivia. But the second, the second round,
really knock people out because it was like, these people
haven't done challenges a long time, and unless it pertains
to like the show that they were on, what didn't matter. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

(07:35):
It was crazy to watch all of that. And then
Niamiah ends up winning, which is cool because you know,
he gets this lifesaver and I'm excited to figure out
what the hell this does, Like does he if he
decides to use it, does he have to pick somebody
to go in? Like I'm to be curious too, Yeah,
but I just I'm looking at it, like, if you
have a life saver and you win, what's the benefit

(07:57):
of winning if you have to choose who has to
go in? The only Yeah, just I think you could
just save that person. That's the only way I would
want to win the life Saver this season if they
were going to tell me that I get to save
somebody and then I'm done after that, because if I
have to pick somebody else, Like, I'm happy I'm not
Niem right now. I'm also happy that I'm not Rochelle

(08:19):
because she was the loser today. Unfortunately after we're trying
to you know, we were kindling our friendship here. She's
really funny, she really is a good time um, And
you know, I went into this challenge, like I think
a lot of girls went into this challenge like let's
just don't be the first one to fall. So I
think that once she felt there was like this this

(08:40):
little calm that was, you know, that kind of washed
over everyone, but it's still still Yeah, I think it was.
It was really interesting like that. Trochelle and Katie fought
like that too, because like, obviously, you guys want to
get back to the house. It's like four o'clock in
the morning. Like I had ear plugs in in an
eyemask on, and I heard screw me, and I thought
something happened to someone, so I freaked out. And me

(09:03):
being like the kind of mommy at summer camp, and
his cella being an actual mom we both run and
we're at the top of the step same time. I
don't know what it was, but it was like a
mom reaction, like, oh my god, are the kids okay?
So we went downstairs and we walked into this argument,
which I am happy that not everything had aired, because

(09:24):
there were some unsavory things said that. I'm happy that
they spared both women. And it's hard when I'm down
there trying to defuse the situation. But I really didn't
want to get that involved in it because I love
Katie and I'm closer with Katie, so naturally I try
and be impartial. But and and a risk is already
in there and then is trying to drag you know,

(09:45):
um Jemmy into it, and I'm like, okay, well we're
not going to gang up on anybody. Like it was
just a weird place to be and I know that,
like people are away from their families, and I mean,
I don't think people understand how stressful this is. Just
for for people that do this on the regular. Imagine
if you haven't done it in fifteen years and it's
like all of a sudden, you got to do this again. Yeah,

(10:06):
it probably brings up a lot. It's probably exciting, but
you're like, oh, ship, Like with the good comes the bad. Yeah,
Like we can't get in a fight in private, you know,
because that would have ended up Like I don't think
it would have been as intense and they just would
have gone to bed and talked about the next day.
I also don't think they would have been in a
situation where it would have been so intense that they
would have gotten a fight over the phone, Like you

(10:26):
didn't tall me at eight, Like nobody gives a ship,
all right, But like like Katie said, you know, sometimes
you got to move on from friendships, and it's unfortunate like,
I mean, you've been there in life where like sometimes
you can't give that friendship anymore energy and you can
kind of have to mourn that loss and then move
on from that. Yeah, totally. It seemed like they both

(10:48):
had different views on it from the beginning, Like it
seems like Trichelle is more into the friendship than Katie
was from I think Katie when Katie yelled, you're not
going to talk to me like that? Yeah, I think
Katie was just sick of it. Definitely, no, no no, no, no,
for sure that but I think, like, what's yourself to
like say her point? Like, it would be like me
and you finding out I would be finding out who
you'd be going up against in elimination, and I wouldn't

(11:10):
come up to you and tell you immediately. I probably would, right, So,
but you also know to play Devil's advocate living in
a challenge house, right, Yeah? How how quickly does the
food go, especially like the fish of the chicken? Yeah,
that's true. That's like I literally just wanted to get
my dinner because we can't eat until we're done deliberation. Right,

(11:30):
So the sun doesn't set till nine thirties, So imagine
how hungry you are because you literally like, it's not
like a regular challenge, it's we are. Days were so long,
I mean, wake up at six, We had to drive
two hours to that spot. We eat lunch there, drive
two hours home. We were in the sun all day
because Ruthie and I's around was so long. Everyone's sun burnt.

(11:50):
Everyone felt like shit. When you get home, you have
thirty minutes to change. Then you go right to deliberation.
You have to walk five to ten minutes around deliberation.
You wouldn't let you walk straight through. Then you'd have
to sit through deliberation and then have dinner. Yeah, which
makes total sense. I get that. So I think Katie
was like, I need my food and then she went
up to her. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

(12:10):
But Katie was actually up there with her talking to
her before deliberation, and Katie didn't really have any say
because she was like, I'm not the one going in elimination.
I can't tell you who to pick, you know, and
just being like I think Katie was just like, hey,
we're growing ask women, you know, you could pick whoever
you want. Totally. Yeah, it sucks that it had to

(12:31):
blow up that way. I wish that, you know, because
like obviously they had so many years of friendship and
like you want to be able to honor that, and
sometimes it's not the prettiest thing. So it's unfortunate that
these ladies had to get into it, and it's unfortunate,
but they gave each other a hug at the end,
and hopefully, um, you know, they can mence some fences
and be cordial. I mean, I don't think they hate

(12:51):
each other, you know, definitely, so yeah, and I mean, listen,
when it comes down to it, like she's she unfortunately
she as elimination, so she she goes home and now
Katie gets to play her own game and doesn't have
to worry about like what's going to happen. But I mean,
Kendall did really well on the elimination. At first, we
didn't know what was going on because she was just
a tangled mess, and I was like, what is she doing?

(13:14):
But for me, you know, kelly In and I being
as close as we are, kelly In became very close
with Kendall, and Kellyan was like, she's really good. I'm like,
you've never done it. I don't think you've ever done
a challenge. With her, but I mean she's super limber.
She practices yoga, like Derek said, like five times a day. Um,
she was in her head a lot about stuff. So

(13:36):
I just I was like, well, she's that good, No,
get her out of here. Yeah, you don't want to
have to go up again. I mean that's the point
of the game. You're trying to win the money, yes, yeah,
and you know you try and do it in the
in then. So this is what I was going to say.
When we do deliberation, it's so different. I don't know
if you've noticed a different story between with the first
and second deliberations of people just owning it up and

(13:58):
be like fine, okay, no arguing, no fights, like honoring
what people want. Yeah, I mean there's so much integrity,
um in these deliberations. There's a lot of respect and
people like being able to say their peace and people
being feeling safe enough to speak yeah, which is nice
and refreshing. And I think that comes with maturity, and

(14:19):
it comes with people being like just grateful for the experience.
I think that like that's something that you can really
see is just the gratitude that all of you guys
have to be there competing together and like seeing one
another again, Like it definitely comes off as gracious, and
I think that's until we get to Kendall. Yeah what
happened there? I mean I think she was probably just embarrassed.

(14:41):
She didn't know how she was going to get out
of it. Yeah, she really didn't. She was like, can
I have some water? I'm like when? And that's in deliberation.
Have they ever brought you up a glass of water? Like?
Are you parched? Honey? They don't give a shit about
us A deliberation. No, you're just gonna have a cute
little dry mouth right now. I mean, she just got nervous.
It is. It is nerve wracking to speak in front
of a group of people, especially when you're trying to

(15:01):
defend yourself and people are like, okay, well you know
we want you to go in, so especially when you lied,
and then you have to be like, oh my god, okay, fine,
this is what happened, yeah totally Yeah. Well she did
really well in that elimination. She killed that and Trichelle
unfortunately goes home. But I'm excited that we're gonna be
able to talk to her because I would love to

(15:21):
hear Trichelle's side on the entire story. Yeah, I think
Trichelle will be She's going to be honest and funny,
and I can't wait for you to meet her and
you know, talk to her about everything. She is pretty
much an open book, so I can't wait to hear
her take on everything. Yeah, it's so exciting. Let's get
into this interview. All right, folks, we have come to

(15:49):
my favorite point in the podcast. This is someone who
was my rival and we definitely had some beef in
the past, and now it has turned to a blossoming, budding,
beautiful friendship called a romance. If you will please welcome Trichell. Hey, hey,

(16:14):
I'm good. I'm so happy to be here until like
finally meet Tori, your bff. It's pretty she's pretty great.
And I heard you were talking about me to Trichelle.
Now I feel like we're all friends. I love you,
and he says, just like, okay, what do I talk
about because we know everything about each other. Now she's like, oh,

(16:34):
Tory my best friend. I'm like, so I have this
friend and she's amazing. It's amazing to see you back
on TV. Like I was telling you before we all
hopped onto this car. I've been a fan of the
challenge for forever, so I'm even proud to be a
part of this. Thank you. To see you back on

(16:57):
is amazing. Dude, How does it feel? It feel good?
I thought I was boring. I'm like, oh, I'm married,
now I'm boring. I thought whenever we whenever I got
to the show, I was just like, oh, I'm not
even gonna be good television. And then I was just like,
holy should I guess? Yeah, I'm fighting with my best friend,
like it's a lot. Yeah, y'all that episode was so good.

(17:20):
I know, I know much. They're doing a great They're
doing a great job. It just like given people what
they want to see and like accurately showing us. I'm
being able to do all of that. I mean, the
last time you were on TV was what, Yeah, it
was like our our show. Whenever I had a very

(17:42):
quick ya when you toss that luggage down the steps
graceful and I'm out of here. Because my dress on
from the night before, I actually no I had I
had changed finally, but like the next morning I still
had the dress on that whenever we fought. Listen, it's
dust in the wind it is, it's so far behind us,

(18:05):
But I want to know how you feel the challenge
has changed from like when we used to do it
back then to now. Wow, Um okay, I feel like
the challenge that we did was more like two thousand
three challenges with the fun but then has way more
drama than apparently the ones have now. But like it's

(18:27):
like a good culmination of both um and and I
say this and I feel like such a bit, but
I don't care actually, but like the new I feel
like the new people now like they a lot of them,
you know, they have other things going on. We were
popular and we were cast on a show. Whenever we

(18:47):
didn't have all the bells and whistles, it was just us,
our personality. So like they put those people back and
that's why it's the television. Yeah. Yeah, I know you're
referring to low low because they said some things on
Twitter which we're completely relevant. I think that, Yeah, you know,
some people should stay in their athletic lane. Yeah, this

(19:10):
is a totally excuse me, this is a totally totally
different type of athleticism. This is brains, this is politics,
this is friendships, this is you know, if you have
a little bit of wit. If you have, you know,
if you can do math, if you can kick a ball,
if you can balance on it your toe. It's much
different ship than you would ever do. You are well

(19:31):
rounded and all of that stuff. I'm more like, I'm
not I'm not there for my athleticism. Let's be honest.
Lolo Jones is only there for that, and it's like, okay,
let let the personalities play. Lolo like you go and
run and jump some hurdles or do whatever you do,
Like this is not your avenue. What do you think
we still beat her? What do you think that you

(19:54):
the new challengers could learn from the O G s
Because obviously there's a lot, But personally, what do you
think you cannot teach having a personality. You can't teach
that ship. You're born with it. That is what's great
about Buna Murray is that they sucked it out. They
saw who was good, and we went through the whole
process of you know, being cast and like they I

(20:15):
mean and these I don't know, two hundred thousand people
probably wanted your spot and they picked seven. She was
one of them. I was, you know, and so I
just feel like they did all that work for us,
and so a lot of the new people there piggybacking
on another show. I don't know what their process was,
but well, well, you know, coming from Real World, we
gave our our lives to to everyone and there were

(20:38):
no other competing shows. Really. I think American Idol may
have came out during your time or like right when
my show was airing, and they watched us grow. So
we were these like personalities on TV on your TV
for like a full year, you know, and it was
just like this really raw experience where the audience got
to know us, and then they pulled everybody from Real

(21:00):
World and World rules. We all had this very unique
experience together, It's true, and then we all have these
relationships outside of the show and it's funny. Anisa, whenever
t J was like your past will come back to
haunt you, I was like, me and Anissa, they're gonna
have us tied together and some ship, like I don't
know what's gonna happen, And I was just like, you

(21:22):
would have been fine. I would have PuF had to,
I wouldn't have cared. I know, I would have been
fine with you. I did not in a million years
I think it was going to happen with Katie and
I not in a million years. Like you could have
given me the five dred thousand dollars and been like, hey, bitch,
like is this gonna happen? I would have been like no, no, no.
So he was right, and it's yeah, yeah, it must

(21:46):
be unford. I mean, it's unfortunate. I was talking about it.
What was I talking about it with you? Tori? That
sometimes you know, like you have these friendships and you
have them forever, and sometimes you know, you grow apart
and you have to mourn those friendships and it's unfortunate
where and you just don't You're it just doesn't work anymore.
It's yeah, and it is a strange thing. But I

(22:07):
think that, like we are just two different people than
we were. And I'm thinking of Katie Katie Doyle, She's
not Katie Doyle anymore. She's Katie Coolie. She's a mom,
she's a wife, like she has like all that going on,
and like that's incredible. But like I kind of Anissa
am still like I was in my thirties, like my
early thirties. I mean, my my husband and I kind

(22:30):
of still live that life. We don't have kids like
we are, so kind of like wiling out, Yeah, coming over. Yeah,
I'm hard, only wiling out as the partner I got you, guys,
I'm a great third wheel. I called myself the spare
tire me. So yeah, that was a hard thing whenever

(22:51):
I saw that fight too, and I saw her playing
in her interview like I was cheering up too, because
I was just like, holy shit, I didn't even know
she felt that way because she's very hard sometimes, and
so I didn't know that that moment happened. And well,
I know, you guys woke me up out of a
dead sleep and his still at the same time because
we were I had ear plugs in and I was like,
oh my god, has somebody hurt. How the hell did

(23:13):
that fight even start? Okay, So I don't know if
you even feel like this, but for me, I forgot
what it's like to be in an elimination and be
in that challenge setting. Uh, it makes even though y'all
didn't vote me in, even though I deserve to go
in because I felt first and that's how it goes.
I still felt like everyone in the house hated me.

(23:35):
Just you get insecure when you're going to elimination, and
I felt very, very insecure. I just felt isolated. I
felt like I was on an island. And really I
needed Katie. I needed her to be my friend. I
needed her to come immediately to me and be like, listen,
this is what happened at deliberation, like you know, we
got Candle like this. I wanted to know everyone's reactions.

(23:55):
I wanted to know what Candle said. I wanted to
know it. Oh, because that's what you and your best
friend talk about. And so when Derek's asked Mosey's into room,
I'm like, first off, like the guys never came into
the room, and like, what the hell are you doing
in here? And he ends up telling me what happened,
and I was like, I love Derek, I've known forever,

(24:15):
but like I didn't want that news from Derek. I
wanted it from Katie. So that's how it started. Then
a couple of bottles of wine in yeah, yeah, I
mean yeah, and then I was just like I was
like this, this is like I need my friend. And

(24:35):
I felt like she wasn't being in a friend and
and really like Katie had a lot of acquaintances there
so she was like, she's a talker, she was talking
to everyone. I'm not so much like that. I can
be a little bit cold, and so it took me
a minute. She would she would come over like, so,
what do you think about this? And I was like,

(24:57):
I don't want to be in fault because I love
Katie and I been friends with her for a long time.
Not to the extent of you, but Katie and I
have never ever been in a fight, except for the
fake ones we used to create and get in trouble
by production. But she was like, you are and screen
production would come in and we were like, just kidding.
Katie and I have actually never been in a fight,

(25:18):
so I don't know what it's like. Plus we were
we never lived together, we didn't have this history, so
I can understand how her not coming to you could
possibly be upsetting from my understanding. And I told Tori this,
I'm like, if you don't get in line for food,
you miss out on food. And she wanted to get
her food and I know that, you know how the
guys are taking six pieces of chicken, don't leave ship

(25:39):
for the women. So I think our first thing was like,
let's get dinner because we have such long days. I
mean we went Challenge Drive two hours each way, deliberation
and then the elimination there next night or that night
the next night, but you have this full day like
Challenge And then I was sitting there by myself while

(26:02):
y'all were at elimination for like hours, and then I'm
just doing in my brain. I'm just like, what the
hell is going on? I'm like fiddling with my makeup
in the bathroom. I'm like, what do I do? How
do I make myself busy? And and you know, I'm
already nervous. Who are they going to pick? What are
we going to be doing? Like? Am I going to
come back? Like whatever? The whole thing. I was just
like spiraling and so, and then whenever she didn't come

(26:25):
to me, I was just kind of like, yeah, fuck you,
you needed your friend. And I get that, Like I
think in that Challenge house and like me and it
needs to talk about this kind of happened to us
last season. I we isolated ourselves in a way because
we felt like home when we were around each other,
which inevitably was terrible for our political game. But there's
a reason that people do that because in that place
you can feel super alone. So I think no one

(26:46):
talked to us before our elimination. She held me in
her arms and I cried. Yeah, I wanted that. I
needed that. I cried. I was a mess. I was
so embarrassed that I was even freaking out. But it happens.
But um, have you guys talked at all since? No?
Oh nope, we have not spoken. Do you think that

(27:09):
the Challenge House like brings out this in people? Like?
Do you think that this fight would have happened? Never?
And Big Easy actually said that Big Easy. Big Big
Easy was just like, um, you know, if whatever date
it was, he was just like, this date, if you
guys are outside of the house, would y'all ever be
having this discussion or fight? And we're both like no,
I mean it was just like the challenge really kind

(27:33):
of just brought it out and it was just hard.
I mean it was Yeah, it's stressful. I mean we've
all been there. We're like, we're not are there are
other parts of our personality that tend to pop out unfortunately,
So and it's tough too because like now now that
it's over and like watching everything back, I was just like,

(27:53):
holy sh it, it was actually worse than I remember.
It looked worse. Actually when I watched it, I was like,
oh my god, that was crazy. But um, you know,
and it's hurtful too to see both of us what
we said about each other in interviews too, and I'm
just like, holy shit, this is not good. I don't
know that things are going to be reparable. To be honest,

(28:14):
I don't know that. Um, And like, and it's crazy
because like I don't want to say like that I'm
okay with it because that would be a lie. It's
just like it is what it is right now, you know. Oh,
that's so sad. I I personally after watching you and
Anissa go through this apology in the beginning of the episode, like,
I believe anything is reparable if two people wanted to happen,

(28:37):
Like the fact that you two had that beautiful moment
that was probably one of my favorite moments in the
whole episode, because I think it's so important to have
a moment where people both step into this place like
kind of own up to things that happened in the
past and forgive one another. Like that was so beautiful
that you guys shared that moment. And I said that too,
because Anissa did not have to accept that apology at all.
She and I wouldn't have faulted her for that. I

(29:00):
would have been like, I get it, but the fact
that she was so like receptive it just made me
feel more comfortable. And I hope that more people are
like that to be honest too. Yeah, it was so
beautiful to watch and any so you we the world
doesn't deserve you. I just I get emotional about it now.
I just feel like it. I wish there was more

(29:20):
room for understanding and listening and apologies and acceptance that
like we fuck up, Like I've done so many things
on TV. We all have that were like a cringe
worthy things that I wish I could take back. And
you know, this was a moment where I'm like, we
have to stop canceling people when they are literally apologetic

(29:46):
from the depths of their soul. I'm giving this human
the chance to like start over and like not being
known as whatever because I'm sure you got shipped too,
and like that was unkind and that's not fair either,
because you're not that person. It just if you're better
now because of it, and I think you are, Yeah,

(30:09):
then that should be highlighted that should be the thing
that's exposed. Forgiveness should be something that's shown. This is
how adults that respect each other talk to each other,
and this is how you do problem solving. This is
how this works. But your forgiveness, you don't understand, was
a waterfall. And I hope that other people see that
and that they take care of things in their own life.

(30:31):
Because I told my husband whenever I wrote you on
like before the before the show and I wrote you
on Facebook and you were so kind about it. I
told my husband, I said, is there anybody in your
past that you feel like you have said something to
that deserves an apology? And he was just like, I can,
he can think of a very specific situation. So he

(30:53):
wrote that guy and Guess then talked in ten years anisa.
He wrote that guy and he was just like, I
said something I think was offensive to you and racially
insensitive and it probably hurt your feelings. The guy immediately
responded and they hadn't talked in ten years. I mean too,
it's like crazy, and so John apologized to the guy
and the guy said, you know what, it did hurt
my feelings and I think about it all the time,
and so like John was just like, oh my god,

(31:14):
I can't believe that for ten years he wasn't even
going to talk to that guy and he did because
of us. That's so yeah, See, anything can be I
feel like most things can be fixed. I mean with time,
because time is a big old band aid. But you know,
once the you know, the wound heels, you got to
figure out what to do with it. You know, like

(31:36):
it can't just be just a band aid for you know,
a ten your band aid, you have to actually rip
it off and do something that's true, that's true. Well,
you know what. I love that we've touched on all
of this really hard stuff and I think that it's
really important. But there was some really fucking funny ship
that happened in this episode to First of all, can
we talk about like teach his tongue when he laughs

(31:58):
it fairly comes out of this mouth. Is I just
want to see tes little tongue. It's I want to
see t J's little tongue. Actually kind of mad that
we never had a moment t J and I because
he's so hot, Like I mean when he had that

(32:19):
six pack and he pull up a shirt to like
wipe the sweat, and we were like, maybe I should
start doing BMX or at least give the boys towels
or whatever people do. Well, that episode was so great.
I like the trivia ones because they do the flashbacks
to like what happened whenever they answer the question. So
all the flashbacks had me dying like stuff that happened

(32:42):
in two thousand three. Like it was so good. I
laughed so hard. Oh god, totally. But it's such a
scary challenge, Like, in my opinion, trivia is one of
the scariest. Do you think that, Like when you found
out it was trivia, were you nervous? Were you excited? Well?
I was excited at first because I was just like
great at trivia. And then I was the first one
to fall obviously, and I was just like, damnit, They're

(33:04):
going to ask me challenge questions and I'm not going
to know it. Um, So yeah, then I was kind
of nervous. But it's never just triviatory, you know, it's
like trivia and let's try to kill you in falling
forty feet in the water. Yeah, and the Katie thing
like what are the chances? Like you said, but I
was like, of course, if it's anyone that's She was
the one who was just like, I can't, I can't

(33:26):
like hurt my face, and then of course she comes
out with a bloody nose. I was like, no, Katie,
it was awful. Yeah. Absolutely, It's It's interesting because like
trivia is not really one of those things that you
can study for. Did you go into old episodes and
rewatch anything in prep for it? I was. I was
watching Real Housewives during quarantine, like I was watching anything

(33:48):
that was like challenge related. Ruthie's like, you should be
studying the challenge. I was like, give me a synopsis,
like yeah, like they're asking me about Johnny Bananas or Johnny.
I was just like I got a funk about Johnny Bananas.
It was amazing act. She was so mad. I was
just hissed that they were asking me these questions. I
was so bad. Yeah, totally, And so like was the

(34:10):
shot at Johnny like not personal? It was just because
you were over thirty ft of water. Yeah. I was
pissed because I knew that I know the answer. I
was mad at everybody. I was mad at t J,
like I don't know. Yeah, it was a tough one, definitely,
and like being the first one to fall through that
through that fucking floor. What was that like? Falling through
the floor. It's crazy because it was like slow motion.
Whenever I looked down, I could see the pieces breaking,

(34:34):
like it was great. It felt like slow motion, but
I know that it happened in point two seconds. But uh,
it was scary, and I just remember they kept saying
like grab your life best and just like try to
keep your legs together. Well you don't think of that ship,
especially whenever you're stepping like I was, just so it was.
It was bad. Yeah, it's definitely that anticipation of the

(34:55):
fall scarier than falling. I was like, if I make
it to the second, sir, goal my asses down. Please
don't get any of these wrong. But what they don't
show is that first round of trivia where it was
just like miscellaneous ship. Yeah, they asked me some question
about a black and white movie. I was like, what
do you think that I want? I'm for I know,

(35:16):
I'm forty one, I'm not eighty seven. I don't watch
black and white movies, bitch. But also Anisa killed me
because you know, she called how kindle that was crazy.
Whenever Kendall stepped aside. I wasn't sure that they were
actually going to show that, and I was just like, oh,
like if she disqualifyed, like, am I off the hook?
And then they were like, no, that's so interesting. I mean,

(35:41):
do you think going second it was scarier like watching
all the guys go first? Or do you think it
would have been good to just like get it over with.
I actually wanted to just get it over with. But
you know that they did Dutch it on purpose. They
wanted us to have the nervous anticipation. And when I
was up there, I'm not gonna lie, my knees were
like knocking together. I was so nervous. Um, yeah, it was.

(36:04):
I mean, tell Tori how hot it was that day.
It was so hot. I'm surprised no one passed out
from dehydration to for real, yes, it's like yes with
no O zone. The first challenge, people were getting hypothermia.
The second challenge, we almost died of heat exhaustion. It
was bad. The skin was peeling, like off my leg

(36:25):
and I had three I look at neapolitan ice cream
on my leg. It was like red brown white from
those stupid kneepads. Well rich now that we're not above
thirty ft of water. I'm gonna reask you give you
a second shot here. What was Johnny Banana's first season
of the Challenge? Okay, I think it was h That's

(36:50):
what I said. That's what I said. I think, yeah,
we sent him home first. I think that's why people
don't remember that he was there. That's when they were
calling him John. That's more embarrassing their actually good old
john John Banana. All Right, Well, going into so obviously,

(37:15):
you know, you get you have to go into elimination,
and you walk up to this elimination, you see this cage,
you see this rope. What did you think when you
immediately saw it? So? Okay, earlier in that day, we
were on the couch and just bullshitting everybody. So they
were trying to like people were like, oh, like, what

(37:36):
do you think your elimination is going to be? And
I'm like, I don't know. So Johnny starts talking and
Johnny is like, oh my god, Zach and I did
not so fast, and she started talking about not so fast.
All of a sudden, the camera guys, who hadn't picked
up their camera in three hours, got up and started
filming our conversation, I said, I'll be fucking damned, they're
not gonna give me not So Fast? What they all

(37:57):
of a sudden pick up their cameras when she's talking
about it, was just like, oh no. So anyway, it
kind of was like, are they gonna do this to me?
They're gonna do me dirty like this, and so I
always said, not So Fast was like, to me, the
worst elimination. Yeah, Scar, It's just it's endurance. It's really
just endurance, and so they say it's strategy, bullshit, it's endurance.

(38:19):
So yeah, I was like, no. When I saw the cages,
I automatically knew. I've seen not So Fast done twice
in person, and then I've seen it done a million
times on TV. It's just it's the worst, um and
kindle honestly that there wasn't even a match to me.
She was doing yoga for eight hours a day nine.

(38:44):
I was like this is nine yeah, nine nine hours.
So yeah, I was just like, there's no way that
I'm gonna be able to do this. But I tried.
I tried. No, you really you really did, because you
looked at me and I was like, Truehelle, Yeah, I
saw your face Anissa, you were like. I was like,
you were long and you're wrong. Yeah, and there are

(39:07):
cocktails after. This bitch just gets through it. She was
so tall and like over the thing, and I was
I felt like your knots were just like thought out.
I'm like, I was like, she plays poker, y'all. She's smart,
she's calculated. Like watch her move. It's so funny because
going into the elimination, I was telling Anissa, I was
just like, I don't know. Anisa like, I don't know

(39:28):
if I want to make it back. She wouldn't even
hear it. She turned her turned around and walked away.
She was just like, you're coming back. Yeah, that's it.
She was just like I don't want to hear it
any of this stuff. She's like, you're coming back totally.
I mean, it's it's hard walking up to a to
an elimination that you're like, funk, I don't think that
this is my thing, because then you get in your
own head. So was there an elimination that you were like, okay,

(39:49):
I want this one, like there, yes, And Anissa was
talking to me about this too. She was just like,
there's something that you punched through and you climb it.
Remember Anisa, you were telling me this and you were
just like, okay, you We're like kick that ship, use
your elbow. You're telling me what to do, and I
was just like expecting that for some reason, because we
were talking about it. Yeah. I think because we also
thought by watching Paul Wrestle and watching things that were

(40:11):
kind of reminiscent of other shows, we were like, oh,
maybe we found a pattern. So we were thinking all
the eliminations would be from shows that we've been on,
like Original One. We did not find a pattern. Well, listen,
I get it. The speculation gets to an all time
high when you're in that house because it's like, what
else are you going to do besides sit there and

(40:33):
try to figure it out exactly? I mean, yeah, it's hard.
And where you were you upset that niam I didn't
use the lifesaver to get Kendall out there so that
you could go up against a different person. No, because
I I actually I had I wanted Beth, to be honest,
I wanted Beth um. I just felt like, I don't know,

(40:53):
I felt more comfortable with Beth doing something, and so
I had asked Niamiyah before I found him in the hallway,
and I was just like, hey, but if I choose
Beth and we go against each other, are you going
to use the Lifesaver? And he was like, I don't know, Truchell,
and so I was just like, okay, Like he doesn't
want to use it. He doesn't, he told me. He
was just like, I don't want to make more enemies
than I have to. I don't understand that. Yeah, yeah,

(41:15):
of course, because you don't know what's gonna happen when
you when you use the Lifesaver like me, And he says,
been talking about this obviously for only two episodes now,
but like it's a scary that's a scary job. Yeah,
because we don't know what's going to happen. Do I
get to pick the person that goes in? No one's
gonna there's no incentive to win the life Saver. It's
going to put you in a shitty spot unless it's
your friend. Unless it's your best friend, and you're exactly,

(41:36):
Oh my god, I couldn't wait. I was like, if
I get the Lifesaver, I'm saving somebody to care about,
and I can't wait to fi thousand percent. If I
had gotten thet the Lifesaver. Before that, Katie and I
and my fight, I wouldn't use the lifesaver to do
whatever she wanted. I would have done that. So right
when you're working with somebody, you you do those things.

(41:58):
Are you taking notes? Im Torines? Because she kind of
sucks at this game physical specimen? But my name is
Dori and I am a strategical layup. I have bad ideas.
I take other people's I've been taking. I will be
more social this time. I swear I will. I will

(42:20):
not be with up a Nissa's asked, nor will she
be up mine this season. Y'all. I'm surprised he didn't
show this, but Katie and I were actually having a
conversation the day before we had the fight and Anissa
y'all were all like playing in the creek or something,
and I was just like, never playing in the creek,
and I was. Katie and I were just looking at

(42:41):
people and just talking about all you guys were just like,
look a fucking Anissa, like what's she doing over there?
And then look at Candle like what she We were
just like talking shit, and um, I love it. People
wanted Yeah, people watching talking and Katie was just like
to Shell, you had to talk to more people in
this game, like you're kind of being a bit And
I was just like, what do you mean? And she
was like, I give you a g I'm gonna give

(43:02):
you some homework. Talked to two people and ask them
something personal about themselves and Tory take notes to take
notes to. That's amazing. Talk to two people and ask
him something personal about them I mean, we already know
each other, so I feel like it's a little bit different.
I think on the other challenge, it's like all these

(43:24):
newbies coming in. It's kind of it's a little bit different.
But Katie was definitely giving me a homework on how
to like be a better person. But I'm gonna know
who were you most surprised to see back? Uh? Hassella? Um?
I think Hassela, And you know what, she was incredible.
I was talking to Adam Larson because obviously we're good friends.

(43:47):
I love him. Tell him, I said, Hi's great. Yeah,
yeah me too. God, I wish you would have been there,
but that would have been a whole another story because
you know, we dated and that would have been like weird.
But Adam, Adam was just like, how did his Sela
do because she was on his road rules and I
was like, she killed it, like the first challenge she
was like m v P. So yeah, that was cool. Yeah,

(44:10):
she was really cool to watch. It was amazing. And
was there anybody that you wish would have been on
the show? That wasn't any o? G that Adam and
also Tim Beggie and also Coral and and only because
of her commentary and she makes fun of me and
I think it's hilarious and honestly, Coral probably would not

(44:31):
have had my pack, like we haven't had a good
history on challenges either, But I just would love to
see her there. Yeah. I love that. I respect that
a lot. And that's what's a different thing to Like
you get to a point in your life where you're like, yeah,
I don't give a ship what you think about me.
Let's make fun of each other because yeah, pretty much
we've already been here, so this is this is nothing new. Yeah,

(44:51):
and did you prepare for this show at all? But
when you came on, I know you were saying like,
don't go home and sit by the pool and drink No,
oh my god. My husband was like, don't you think
you should like take a walk around the block or
something like just like a light lap. I was like, now,
now light lap to bottomless mimosa. She was doing champagne

(45:15):
curls if you've had a rose a glass roy at
the end of it. I would do it. But no,
I did nothing. And then I was just like Mark
was like, I'm telling you, Truchell, no one else has
done any training. And then I get there and I'm like, bitch,
people are doing CrossFit on the fucking front lawn, Like
that is not true. Like I was so mad. Um, yeah,

(45:37):
so I did not prepare at all. Hey, listen, you
did what you did and you went on there and
you had an experience of a lifetime. Right, Yeah, it's
not in bad shape. You're like a long azelle. I
feel like you would have done. I mean, I'm skinny, fat,
and I'm okay with it. But like, my husband actually
bought me a bike, like a stationary exercise bike for Christmas.

(45:59):
Asked me, how many times have you used that ship? Never? Never?
It has its own room up there, and our knew
how He was just like, this is gonna be your
bike room, and like, okay, I'm never going to open
the door to this. But okay, So I'd love to
meet him. I feel like that dynamic would be super

(46:20):
super fun. We're complete opposite. Yeah, so good. I want
to know. Um. So when you got called about the show,
where you're like immediately like yes, or you were like
hold on, I have a life, Like I was like, well,
I mean, let's be honest, I'm not like doing a
lot of stuff right now. Okay. I was like my

(46:43):
whole thing was like can I do this with all
these people? That was my thing. And so I talked
to my husband about a lot. He was super excited.
He's just like, yes, do it would be great, like
he was all about it. Um, no hesitation. But I
wanted to see who was going to do it first,
if I knew anybody. And when I found out that
Katie got a call, literally Katie was like the only

(47:04):
reason that I did it, which Wittman didn't end very well.
I'm so sorry, but yours was still on there. Yeah, yeah,
I'm so sorry about that. That sucks. Right. Well, since
you got home, like, what it what is it felt
like since you've been back, do you feel like it
was a worth it experience? Oh? Worth it? Yeah? But

(47:27):
and he sa I don't know how, and Tori too,
I don't know how y'all react whenever you get back
from a show. But for like two weeks, I was
completely like I was. I wanted to be by myself
in bed, like I had to decompress. And my husband
has never known me when I did a show, so
he was just like really worried. He was concerned, and

(47:47):
he was just like, are you okay? I actually UM
got a therapist my own. I didn't use like the show,
but I got a therapist and I was doing um
a couple sessions a week that's like do you want
to do it week? Where I was like, we're very
very pro therapy, like talk about your ship. So I

(48:08):
needed I needed to get therapy. But my friends from
New Orleans, who also had not seen me when I
when I've done a show, we're like. My friend Johnny
was like, what happened on that challenge? And I was like,
what did you think? Like what do you think happened?
And he was just like, did you fuck somebody? I
was cheated on my husband? Like that's why you think that.

(48:28):
I was like, come on, Like so my friends would
just thought I cheated on my Husbund the challenge. I
was like, no, that's not what it is. It's just
like I need to decompress. And I come back and
like a lot of stuff happened, and living with all
these people, plus I fought with my you know, one
of my best friends. Like, it was just a lot.
So it's literally like being Yeah, you're you're thrown into

(48:51):
You're ripped out of your environment. I always say this,
you're ripped out of your own You're thrown into another one,
and anytime they can rip you out of that one,
and it's just like you becoming you acclimated to each place,
getting like comfortable, and then being ripped from it. So
it's it's a transition that you have to make. I
don't want to see anybody when I get home, but
I think because we've been doing them back to back,
like I don't get a chance to feel too much.

(49:14):
So I've known to like I know where to place
it now. I don't get angry. I don't take things
with me when I leave, like everything that was shitty
as in Argentina, Yeah that's good, you know, And it's
just a great way that I've learned to shift my
perspective on the show and its ability to really mess
you up if you allow it to. But I think
everyone should throw the phone in the corner, have the

(49:37):
wine and the edibles on, like right on deck ye,
have your husband, partner and or friend, get you some
flowers to cheer up your place, and sit on that
couch and just sleep. And you know, through your jet
lag and Netflix or Paramount plus, you know. And people

(49:59):
don't the nurse and it. They don't unless they were
in that situation. So it was kind of hard to
explain to like John and and my friends about it.
I was just we're here if you ever need to
talk about it. We lived through it, and we are
always around to chat about how messed up things can be. Sometimes.

(50:19):
I appreciate that. It's nice to know that you know
that I have family, Like yeah, yeah, it's a big
old extended dysfunctional family, super dysfunctional, a little less dysfunction
in the house than it than it is on the
other one. But the only wanted fun of each other
and you talk shipped to each other like real ship,
and then it was all over because it was like

(50:40):
you know what, We're one big family. It was so
amazing to watch, like I told Anisa, I watched the
first episode twice, like I couldn't help myself. I haven't
had a chance to watch the second one twice yet,
but I probably will. There's something so comforting about it.
I think it's just so nostalgic, and it's just like
awesome to watching. The dynamic is so different than the
new ones, so I get why they're such a big
audience for it. It's like, this is the audience that

(51:02):
created the show in the first place, and that's why
we're all like, okay, like I need to watch it
again and again and again and again. Thank you again.
I thought it was so good. And also, y'all, the
music of the music a raise they are. It's amazing.
Eighties and early nineties music makes everyone feel good. Everybody

(51:25):
nobody wants to hear like yeah, I mean I do too,
but but I feel like nostalgia's nostalgia. So if we're
going to give you this nostalgic show, we need to
give you epic music to go. Also, I wish that
they showed more of the nineties party. Speaking of nostalgia,

(51:45):
I know, but maybe to come out with an extended
version they do. They do, oh man, it was so
dope to watch. Well listen. We asked this question to everybody,
and it's such an important question to ask, especially when
we think about honoring some of the O G s.
So if there was like a challenge Mount Rushmore in
your opinion, who would be on this Mount Rushmore? Well,

(52:08):
you know Anisa, Yeah, facts, Anissa. I would say, uh
CT yeah, ct Anissa. Let me see two more. Um,
that's hard. I want to say Mark. And then for
another female, I'm trying to think la la la, la

(52:29):
la la. I don't know, this is hard think. There's
so many good ones, like maybe Veronica, Like, yeah, I
love Veronica. Yeah that's good. Yeah, I love this. I
like being in your Mount Rushmore. I don't know how
they're going to carve out my curls, but will make

(52:50):
it happen. I would visit that rout Mount Rushmore. I
would drive to it, and I feel like I feel
like Yes would be able to do it. Oh, yes,
you can make anything out of anything. He's so hot.
Shout out to Yes for being just beautiful inside now.
I can't wait to get him on here just so
I can look at him. I don't even want to
interview him I'm just gonna sit in silence like this exactly.

(53:13):
I can't get real awkward. It's been amazing talking to you. Seriously,
it's so nice to meet you. Yes, and thank you
so much for coming on the show man. It's well,
thank you, Anissa. Y'all do too, but Anisa's good to
see your face again. I missed too. I know you're

(53:33):
so funny. This is the one thing which is kind
of like Challenge Confidential that people don't know. Trishelle is hilarious.
And I looked at her sometimes because she says crazy
ship like I do, and I'm like, oh, we're friends now.
You just said some off the wall ship that I
would say that by looking at you, like all well
put together and the hair and the dresses, and then

(53:54):
she'll say something like ratchet ship, and I'm like, yes,
I love I loved. I loved being around you because
it was just I felt like I had missed out on,
you know, years of fun. So I'm glad we had
the time together. You know what, maybe we'll have maybe
we'll have another time and we're like we better have

(54:16):
we better have that guy by the pool with the cocktails. Okay, yeah,
I'll be bikini ready by them same, Probably not if
we're we're still drinking wine. Probably not, it doesn't matter. Well,
thank you again, Trichelle. You're fucking star dude and alleged.
It's amazing to have you on this. Can't wait to
listen to that shell. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, I

(54:38):
have a great day. All right, Love you guys, Love
you alright bye. Okay, Well, that interview is awesome. Trichelle
is amazing. What a kind soul. And now I'm so
excited to find out. So we're behind the scenes stuff
and Lisa, I wasn't there, so I'm gonna need you

(54:59):
to give me some confidential information, tell me a secret.
I may have a few. So when Trachelle is having
this very heartfelt apology, we had a house cat named Sylvester.
I called it Francesco because I didn't know how a penis.
But whatever, I'm not really good with cat anatomy clearly,

(55:20):
so um mid like I'm sorry and tears. This cat
jumps on my lap and it's kneading into me and
I'm like, I don't know, my hands are up. I'm
like I don't know what to do to keep it going.
So we had the whole conversation whist Sylvester on my lap.
But they did a great job of like only panning

(55:40):
down to like my lower regions when he wasn't there.
That's amazing because I would have never known that he
was such a great cat and he just wanted to
be with us. Yeah, that was one thing. Um what
was the other thing? Did the fight go ahead? Well?
I was going to ask did the fight between Trishelle
and um Katie happened at four o'clock in the morning?

(56:03):
Like where was everyone to sleep? And did they wake
up and start fighting? It was like two am because
we had so It's kind of like the regular Challenge.
The setup is different though, So we were doing three
challenges and three elimination so we'd have like challenge Monday, elimination,
Tuesday Challenge, Wednesday elimination, Thursday Challenge, Friday elimination Sunday. Wow.

(56:25):
So we had no breaks. And you know, like I
said before, you have a two hour you're spending four
hours in the car, you're or in the van, bus whatever,
four hours and there Trivia took forever so hours there,
I mean, you're having these like ten twelve, thirteen hour
days because once you get back, you have to shower
if you can, yep, deliberate, eat and drink a little

(56:49):
bit of red wine. Yeah, so you're pretty much moving
like everything is going so quick, and yeah, it seems
very fast paced because there's only two challenges in two
eliminations a week on the regular Channe Lunge. On All
Stars we had three and three, so that's pretty pretty
damn fast. Yeah, and it's kind of cool though, because
the time flies. There's not a lot of downtime when

(57:11):
you are filming a show that's this quick and this
is but this is how we used to do it.
You used to have challenge elimination same day, so four
people will go home a week or eight people go
home a week. I mean that's insane. I couldn't imagine you.
Then you never really catch a break. You're like always
dressed out for anyone. Also can't really form the bonds
that you could really form with people like you could,
but like it was hard because your your alliance could

(57:35):
fall apart in a week. Yeah yeah, wow, and your friendsly,
I mean people's fiances really Like it was a lot.
So I can't wait to see how this season unfolds.
It's been so awesome already, I'm like loving it. Yeah,
it's it should be very interesting. We have a lot
to look forward to. This season is jam packed. Those

(57:56):
shorter season jam packed with all the good ship you
want to see. It's going to be really exciting and
I'm so happy that you get to see it firsthand.
I'm so happy that I don't even like, like able
to do the podcast, like I feel like honored to
be a part of this in any capacity. So it's
like I feel, I mean, I'm so think abul to
be a part of it, and Anisa, especially with you,

(58:18):
you crushed it this episode. I can't wait to watch
you keep killing it on the show and it's always
your honor to co host with you. So, Anisa, where
can people find you on social media and how can
they send you questions? You can find me on Instagram
at Anissa MTV. That's a N E s A m
t V. I don't know why I always spell it,
but I feel like Hassela even spells my name wrong.

(58:39):
And we've known each other since our twenties, so anything
can happen. Um, So yes, that's where you can find me.
Send me listener questions and me love. Where can they
find you? Tori? You guys can find me at Tori Underscore.
Deal same things. Send me a bunch of questions, send
me a bunch of old photos of these o g s.
Let's dig up some awesome archive. Damn you, I want them.

(59:02):
I want this old pick. And send me some good
screenshots of Anissa over the years. I want to frame
them and put them on my wall. Oh my god.
There were some interesting outfit choices and makeup choices, all
for fun, though never on purpose. Well, on purpose, but
not whatever. You know what I'm saying, I know what
to say. Yeah, I got you. Well, I'm so excited.

(59:23):
This has been an awesome season already, so make sure
you guys watch the biggest event in Challenge history. Watch
The Challenge All Stars, which is streaming now exclusively on
Paramount Plus, and then go behind the scenes with us
on MTV's official Challenge podcast.