Split Decision w/ Fessy Shafaat

Devyn, Da'Vonne & Aneesa are joined by The Nick Cannon of The Challenge himself... Fessy Shafaat. They discuss the strategy behind choosing his (stacked) team, whether Nelson saving him last week was a mistake and what it was like working with Moriah during that mini final. Also: TJ Bunyon, Fessy's incredible geography skills and how he's surviving a house with zero cuddle buddies.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, I'm a Nissa Ferrara and I'm Devin Simone
and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Today we are
going to talk about that mini final, the fact that
we are getting split up into teams, and we are
going to be joined by Fessel Safa and day Vonn
for the interview today. Yeah, she's coming. She finally made

(00:20):
time for us. I saw some yet where she's been gone.
I don't know where she's been her schedule. We'll see
which background, she asked today. Yes, we will, we will
do that. Um this episode. I love seeing a mini final. Yeah,
you love seeing it. You don't want to do it?
I sure don't want to do it, Nope, but I
love seeing it in there. How did it feel watching
it back in Nissa? I mean they didn't show all

(00:42):
of the things. At one point, Jordan was rapping to me.
He loves key Glock and he was just rapping to me,
and I was keeping my beat with that. We're really
good as like workhorses, like we would have never put
down our gurney, which we didn't. We worked really well together,
but overall, like going into it, you were mad at
each other. Um, so I just it was a very

(01:04):
emotional day for me. I love seeing the energy you
guys had, though, because even when he stepped off, like
the difference between you and Jordan when he stepped on,
and I also love the sort of analogy that the
floor's lava right like that that essentially was that part
of the daily But when he stepped off, the energy
you guys had versus Nannie and Bananas right, and the

(01:25):
dysfunction and communication there, it was cool to see him
being encouraging and you two and you not quit, which
is I feel like, what you're known for. And it
was just kind of fun towards when if I ever quit.
That's why I just said what you're known for, you
know what. I literally just said, you don't quit. That's
what you're known for. And you know what, Thank you.
I'm sorry, I heard. Okay, so let's do our time out.

(01:51):
I'm gonna give myself the time out, thank you. I'm
just give myself the time. I'm gonna sitting time out
for this one. Thank you. And who gets your gold
Star of the week. I'm gonna give my goal old
star to Mariah One. She's never done the show before.
She is paired up with somebody who who just goes
and to put herself through, put her body through what

(02:13):
she put it through. Um takes a lot. And to
win one of the harder challenges this season, yeah means
a lot. Yeah, you know, and a gold star for
talking talking her shit in her interviews, saying what she
needed to say. You know, gold star. I agree. I
agree with that. I'd say time out for this week

(02:36):
is gonna go to Jordan. I just didn't like the
way he approached Tori. And I know we only got
fragments of that conversation, and he is well within his
rights to mac to whomever. I get it. Well, we
got in a whole fight before that, we got a
whole fight fight, I thought, so the whole thing. When
Tori's outside by the fire, Jordan and the Rees were

(02:57):
kind of cuddling watching the movie. So I saw it.
I look at Tory, Tory looks at me. Tori goes outside,
and we saw it. They made eye contact to Tory,
goes outside whatever with Devin. I didn't leave yet, but
when I did go outside, she told me, you know,
like I'm a little uncomfortable. Did you see what I saw?
I said, I totally saw that ship and then Jordan
asked me what happened. I said, I don't feel comfortable

(03:18):
telling you because Tory's my best friend. Tory wants to
tell you. That's her story. She will tell you. Well,
that started a whole fight with him, and I said,
I have a forty year old woman. I am not
here to play with your fucking little games and your relationship. Goodbye.
So the next day we got in a whole fight,
and before the challenge even started, I didn't even think
he was gonna perform with me. And then I'm like, well,
I could just sit the fucked I don't even care

(03:40):
at this point. Get me the fuck away from this man.
But the minute the horn, like that's the thing with us,
the minute the whistle goes off, it's like, okay, well
it's game time, right. I don't like the way that
Jordan handled it, And I understand he has his own
feelings and is in rightfully so, but empathy means, and
especially for someone you cared about so deeply, means at
least being able to see why bothers him to them

(04:01):
and being mindful. Empathy is my biggest thing, and he
was not in that moment, and I just can't imagine
being in a room, you know, and I don't like
any of my exes, but still like I just feel
I just feel for Tori very much so and then
my gold star. I'd have to say, not to piggyback
off you, but you brought some very good points about Mariah.

(04:21):
I think she held her own. She and Bessie made
this daily look easy. And I know it was not
by any stretch, but I mean just the way he
like powered through it. She really did an excellent job.
And in picking teams, when you're new to this game,
new to this show, you people in your ear trying
to tell you one way or not. Like she definitely
held her own. I give Mariah the gold star. And

(04:42):
then an honorable mention comes to TJ. He had a
petty LaBelle moment in which he said, would all the
losers of this today this week's daily challenge come into
the zone, which is so shady TJ. But also his
black zip up. I know some of you have commented
that you like when I take notice of TJ's attire,

(05:03):
he looked real fly in the outfit in the daily
go back and rewatch, I don't know how I feel
about the lumberjack outfit that was happening down in the zone.
I don't know, he's really kind of overdoing this sheerling
collar thing. He did it twice last week, you know.
But I love the good zipp I'm big on. I mean,
I come on, Paul Bunyan, come through, TJ Bunny. He
was Paul. He was Paul in the zone. Um someone

(05:25):
who is not Paul Bunyan, but it's probably just as strong.
His personality is very strong and polarizing too. People love
him or hate him or love to hate him. We
have him on the podcast today. He is going to
be talking about what it's like to be arguably the
Nick Cannon of the challenge, what his headspace is going in,
how he managed to slay in this challenge daily, and

(05:47):
how he feels about Anissa now and whether or not
they are friends. So stay tuned. We have an amazing
interview with Bessie coming up. Grab a snack, but don't
go anywhere, you know, do two things at once and
be right back. Today we have Loverboy, number one athlete,

(06:16):
our friend, the guy you love to hate. Betsy Well,
welcome to the podcast. Was waiting for I I want
to be nice about this. I don't. I'm not going
to be because you told me not to be mean
at the end of the episode, which I'm not. So
I wanted to give you. I've given you so many
compliments in your life. I think I ran out. Yeah, well,

(06:38):
I mean the whole vote and me end thing I
really like. I was like, all right, it's it's a million,
you know, I mean it was. I knew it was
either me and Mario or Chauncy and Amber. Like when
we broke it down, I would just like, remember that
conversation we wanted to have but we couldn't have because
we only had ten minutes. And I came up. I
put my pride to the side up to your room, ahire.
You were getting ready for interrogation because everybody's like, man,

(06:59):
just go to talk to Anissa. So I was all right,
and You're like, oh, I ain't got time. I was like, damn.
I wanted Jordan to be there because I didn't want
to just say something to you and then him and
I not beyon want accord. We told you that, But
that's not what this podcast about. This is about you.
I mean it can be because I know it's about
all of it really is also Anissa in your introduction
you were missing a part I know need. Please welcome

(07:23):
Nick Cannon JUNR the Nick Cannon of the Challenge Bessie
Cannon to the show. We're gonna make a mean that
mean about the repopulation of the world, and it's all
like Nick's faces with different wigs. I think there should
be one of Bessie also, certainly in Australia. It sounds
like you're where you're working to do your part. But um,
we're so excited to have you, mister Cannon. And I

(07:46):
got no kids, you know, so I mean I was
about to ask you you got children, but they do
call me daddy though. Okay, so before we get into
because you know, we're going to definitely challenge you as
because it's need somebody's gonna put your place. But I am,

(08:09):
first of all shout out on this daily. I always
think it's super impressive to win the dailies that are
like essentially the mini finals, and you, guys, by no
other means, there's no other way to describe it, crushed
this one. Good job to you, Maria. Can you tell
us a little bit about you know, once you first

(08:30):
heard what you had to do kind of what your
thought process was and what the strategy was throughout each checkpoint,
you know, to get to the finish line. Yeah. So originally,
you know, I've said on record that I thought Tory
and Devin stood the best chance. You know, when we
were walking up to that minifinal, I was like, I
thought they were the most well rounded team. Because Mariah

(08:50):
is really fit and she goes to the gym. She
has an amazing body. But I didn't know how good
her cardio was, you know, because it doesn't really do
that kind of training. So this was a real test,
and you know, I was really impressed that she didn't
stop at all. You know, we just had a good pace.
And I think, like what you saw with Harassio and Olivia,

(09:11):
I think they were both trying to lead the team,
whereas I'm saying I was sitting there telling Maria what
to do, but like she okay. But I did it
in a respectful way like people love to say, like
oh he's it, But like you know, I was encouraging her.
You were very encouraging. I'll give you that. I'm just
seizing you and you need a leader. I mean, you're
having a good point, it's two people can't lead a

(09:32):
team at the same time. Yeah, that was a problem
with Olivia Rassio. They both thought they had the better
strategy and input, but that was lack of communication though,
because we were behind them and then we passed them
and it was just it was heavy. Man, I'm not
gonna lie that ship was at what point did you
think you guys were gonna to actually win it? The
puzzle checkpoint on the first try, I was like, as

(09:55):
long as we don't stop, we win, I was telling
him Aria. I was like, all gas, no brakes, We're
gonna win this ship. Because I knew it was either
a math or a geography or something that, you know, puzzle.
I feel pretty comfortable, but like a lot of people
feel comfortable and they and they shit the bed in it.
So you know, how did you get it so fast?
Because everybody seemed baffled that you guys did it? Was
that literally your only jab, to be honest, the puzzle,

(10:17):
by the grace of God, because as soon as we
stacked them all up to see before we even spun them,
we're like I was like wait, wait, wait, and I
was like, holy shit. Check and then they weren't even
the producers and t J wasn't even coming over because
it was so fast, and I was like double check,
and I was like, holy shit, I think you know
they're all there, and they were like okay. So then
I threw them all down, because that's the number one thing, right,

(10:41):
when you're in first place, if you want to stay
in first place, you knock your shit over because I'm
a look, I'm gonna look, would too. But did you
get it by accident, Bessie or then, or like? What
was the strategy behind that? What was the our strategy
was a stack up the pieces and then start to
rotate them like everybody else. You know, you're figuring out.
But as soon as we stacked them up, um, it

(11:03):
was just your luck. And nobody can say they were
placed that way because they were all in a bandon.
We were grabbing them at rank right, so it wasn't
like it was already lined up for us. You know,
we just grabbed them and that was one hundred percent luck.
I ain't even gonna front on that. It just be
like that sometimes. That's why I tell people, listen, what
was meant for you? It was meant for you, and
just like this was meant for you to win that
it just so happened to be in your favor to

(11:24):
get that luck that day. So it is what it is.
But I do want to ask you, because Bessie, you
have been proven to be like a beast out here
as a competitor, right and you've proven that time and
time again. Why do you think you were so hard
on yourself at the beginning of this episode, Like you
really were questioning yourself. And it's like, but we didn't
seen you like hat and that part didn't get shown

(11:45):
because I was like, you know that that was so sweet. Yeah,
that's what the people needed to see. Yeah, you know,
to be honest, like, it was that point in the game.
You heard a lot of people's confessionals where it's that midpoint.
A lot of people have like a significant other at
that point in the game, you know, or somebody that

(12:05):
we're getting to know, where as me, you already know
all mine and went home. So all twelve of them,
all the relationships have already been established, you know. So
I was like, he was like, now what am I
gonna do? It was like I've already I'm not you know,
it was like you already knew who it was. I
was done. I was dull over the rest of time.
So I was going through it and then like you

(12:26):
you see Harassio, you know he I think me and
Harassi aren't very similar. We just communicate in different ways.
So like he's really hard on himself. So you know,
I've kind of grown to know that you're not gonna
win all these dailies, and I've accepted that, but it
is still frustrating when I'm like there's people walking around
in the game like they like their shit don't stink,

(12:47):
and I'm like with dog y'all in a lot of things,
and like people ride the wave on social media and say, well,
he hasn't want to fine or this, and I'm like
all these other challengers that have one, they love to
hype that shit up because it's popular. And I'm like, Okay,
I'm not dissing y'all, like y'all earn that shit and whatever,
but everybody knows when it's time to show up to
a daily or who you want on your team. They're

(13:09):
not picking a seven time champ. They're picking, you know,
the guy everybody loves. They Hey, that's just the reality
of it. Are they really not picking a seven time champ? Though,
I just I got a lot to say, so, I mean,
but I mean, but well, just back to that, just
to that point. Are they really not picking a seven
time champ? But you said that, like when it comes

(13:31):
time to the daily, when it comes down to the dailies,
you know, who are they picking on their team? They're
not picking a seven time champ. They're picking and obviously
like if I was team captain, I mean, you're of
course you're stacked and we'll get on when you were
team captain because that have a lot of questions about that.
Very well done, but you know, are people really not
picking a seven time champ and picking so I feel

(13:54):
like that's not you know they are. Mariah picked Jordan
over Johnny. And the only reason Jordan went first because
I wasn't down there. If I was down there, it
could have went either way. I mean, Jordan's a fucking
dog too. But I mean, I mean I put Jordan
in a seven time He's not seven times chant, but
in that same category caliber, Like I mean, it's freaking Jordan.

(14:14):
Jordan's being Johnny and ninety percent of pretty much any Yeah,
Jordan's a special kind of Kate like he is. He's
like a I don't know, slightly managed it all. I
say it all the time, like and he's he I
talked to him about it is I would I say,
if you would go back and do it all over
again to have two hands, would you? And he says no?
And I was like, it doesn't make sense because that
probably made him who he is, right right, He's worked

(14:36):
hard his whole life. I'm the only one give him
a run for his money. And it's because I got
two hands. Wait, let me tell you no. Remember when
you went outside and you ran with him that night? Yeah,
I was y'all ran fever. We were like, these motherfuckers
are still running. I don't want to be a bitch.
And you know, I know, it's like a game. He's
running ahead and I'm following him. He's like he's wanting

(14:56):
me to stop, and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna
keep going because it's a mental game in there. And
and that's that's a mental game me and Jordan were
playing at that point in the game. Because you know,
do you do you think Jordan helped you to like
push yourself a little bit more? Um? Well, with the running. Um,
it's just hard to stay motivated working on your cardio

(15:17):
when ninety percent of the daily challenges aren't cardio. So
it's like and to show up is gonna be a
memory word scramble, and it's like what the fucking running
around the house all day? You know? But seeing Jordan
do it, I was like, you know what that, I'm
gonna hop right behind him because that's the fastest dude
in't here. If he's running, I'd better be fucking running

(15:39):
right behind him. FESSI brought his own goggles this season.
He was ready to play. I tell you all the time,
anisa like, you're forty now forty one, you can't tell though,
thank you, thank you to come do crazy shit at
forty one. I'm gonna fucking go, man, I'm gonna take
that hand and whatever comes with it, because I'm I

(15:59):
got a chance that million dollars, So if that's right,
come with it. So as long as you strength to
do that, you're just battling yourself at that point. Were
any of you annoyed watching this episode back and seeing
how Johnny and Nannie were just so comfortable to be
able to just give up if they were sitting there
laughing and just like, what do you think made them

(16:19):
that comfortable? I thought it was hysterical entitlement. Man Like,
like if you got people wanting to show up and
bust their house on the show and they're just taking
it for granted, like it's their twentieth season. Like, I
know they were never going to get that part, but
if you weren't gonna I've never seen Yeah, if you
at a certain they were never going to get it.
I mean, but see, I felt like there's a contradiction
then maybe even a little bit of hypocrisy because I

(16:41):
feel like on this podcast specifically, we would chew out
anybody else who would have tapped out like that. We
would have viewed out any I wouldn't if it was
a final yes, but on a daily absolutely not and
do it. I've heard yeah, but they couldn't get past
the puzzle, thank you, And he said they didn't even
keep trying. That's what I'm saying. It's people that are
hungry for the wind that even if they need to

(17:02):
go eat a snack, they need to go eat a snack.
I think it was totally hilarious that they Cessie, what
do you say let's say Ansa, you said, but they
were they knew they were finished. Wasn't there a confessional
of you and Jordan when you were in last place
on the barrel saying well, you never know, we could
catch up to him? And fuck, yeah, yeah I don't.
I couldn't. I couldn't have done. My championships came from behind.

(17:23):
So why are they tapping out if they know anything
could happen? Because I mean, it just screams entitled. But
are they entitled because they've earned it? Is Bananas entitled
at that place because he's earned it with his seven rings?
To me, the difference between entitlement is being new on
this show, which, to clarify, Davon is my different perspective.
I think there's a difference there. Right, wouldn't be because

(17:44):
I'm not a seven time champ, But you know, they're
still in this game. They still could win it, And
I think you know, when you got moves like that,
you can do are good at a lot of things
in the game. You know, they're good at a lot
of crafty things. They always got a shot at that.
Johnny's a very crafty guy and he's in very good
shape for forty years old, man, Like that guy is
dedicated to his body and whatever. But at that old

(18:07):
Europe and I promise you you're gonna care more about
your health and everything else. I have been credit. I
do care about that, and I'm like that you're going
to care more forty years old and like he's in
really good shape, but like you love to scream seven
time champion, rubbing in people's faces, and like the mini
final was, you know, projected to be exactly what the

(18:27):
final is going to be. And you're not even in
the top five six now that I agree with that,
I agree with So I feel like we haven't been
seeing the showing from Bananas in this season so far
that we want to see. But as he also said
in his confessionals, every time he's won, he said, he's
come from behind essentially. And I think they're still in
this game. The way it's been structured is really tricky anyway,

(18:48):
because unless you get first first place, you're basically getting
last place. They're always still in the game there. I'm
not trying to like just shit on that team. That's
a good team, you know, not even Bananas. I always
have potential to win a day. I'm just saying as
far as final is concerned, and what it takes endurance wise,
and just you gotta be a quick thinker man, Like
we got lucky with that puzzle. But on the geography,

(19:09):
like I knew all six of those cities. Did you
have girls in every one of the other cities? Fecies that?
How you thigured dab Oh, he's such a liar? Did
you get Bangkok on there? I'm kidding. I knew all
of those cities. Man. I was bled, like it could
have been a city I didn't know, and it was
just it was meant for you. It was meant for you.
I keep saying it right fast. I have a question,

(19:31):
did you know or have any idea what was going
to happen if you won? I thought I was really
salty that they didn't let us throw in a team
the most power and every writer or die gets put
on the same team. I was like, well, me and
Maria were gonna end up on the same our opposite
sides regardless. So if anything, it really wasn't that much power.
If anything, it drove me and Mariah apart because we

(19:53):
had to make all these decisions. So it was more
like a fucking Achilles heel than a power. I thought,
people are lucky that we didn't get to vote in
a team with that power. Who would it have been?
Who would it have been? And you would would have
been on the bullet you know that, and that's fine.
Were the other two teams that would have been? Or
what's the other I don't I just knew that if

(20:13):
we won, we would definitely take Johnny would have been
in there too. You know what, Bessie, in that moment
when you found out, or maybe a little bit later
because it was when you guys were out drinking or
whatever like that, you kind of turned on Mariah And
I want to know what brought that about, because it
was just it was so random. You were just sitting there.
You were like I and her. It was like a
real dark moment. And what brought that about? Yeah? I think, Um,

(20:34):
you know, Maria and I didn't even really talk that
much in the house, just because we had established before
we went in the house that like, you could do
your thing, I'm gonna do my thing, so like we
communicated that we were grown ups about that. So that
did help out in the game, you know. But now
the point where we're having uh, you know, make decisions.
And I see her in Johnny's room, you know, and

(20:55):
I know he's in her ear. And then like she's
kind of being short with me when I'm trying to
ask her where her ads. I kind of like that
shit's all real. That's what I was going through in
the moment, Like I don't try to be like, oh,
I'm gonna look bad on TV. Like that was how
I was feeling. Like I brought Mariah um you know,
the we had only you know, hung out, you know,
maybe ten times in our life, Like, but I knew her.

(21:17):
Look at look at Tavon's face. She met like hang
out Like what I feel like, that's what your brain
just said. Here it's cold. We go down another rabbit hole.
I know y'all be fucking talking all day long to
each other. Let me get we don't actually thought what's
the next question. I do have a question though, piggybacking
on what you just said, because you made a statement

(21:38):
when you was like I brought her here because I
trusted her. But my question is, like the way you
said it was almost like I brought you here to
help me win because I trust you to help me
win this thing. If I want to know what was
behind that, like give some clarification because it's going down,
Like what what did that mean? When we originally we
thought that we were gonna get to pick the teams. However,
so I was like, me and Mariah were gonna be

(21:59):
on the same team. We're gonna stack our team. And
they was like, no, y'all aren't separate teams. And the
whole vibe just switched up real quick, like when we're
going back to the house, Like the first thing she
said was, oh, I want Jordan or all I knew
who I want all this like, and I was like, damn,
Like it kind of just hit me in the face,
like it's getting real, Like you know, I brought this
girl thinking me and her gonna you know, ride it
out together, and now it's like she's trying to stack

(22:21):
her team, just like I'm trying to stack her team.
Like they didn't make it a big thing, but that
whole Jordan thing, like I just let her have it
because I was like, she's not gonna budge on that,
and I'm trying to be like at least meet her
in the middle. But she wanted Jordan so bad, and
we try to rearrange the shit were you trying to
meet her in the middle of fancy because we you
see it, Yeah, because it looked like on both sides

(22:42):
of that thing in the beginning, all the other Tory
Devon all that was gonna was gonna fall at the end.
How it did you know Tory and Demon would picked last,
not because they're the weakest team, but because they were
so similar as right, that makes sense, Kenny and a
Jordan and he was a little more lopsided in people's eyes,

(23:03):
you know, I mean, this is great. I'm just saying,
what what the what the analytics were saying, the analytics,
you don't play it on Google Analytic. I was like,
you know what, people are fucking saying, she's not watched.
There's gonna be some challenge where she's gonna come in handy.
I'm gonna saying, you know for sure, and there's more
than one challenge and I and elimination, so a niece's fire.

(23:26):
But that's actually a really good point, Bessie, because I
was kind of confused when I saw Tori and Devin
get picked lass, Like, I don't know about you guys,
but I didn't really see that that wasn't on my
being go card, but that makes sense is they were
equally stacked. So at that point, it's kind of like, yeah,
Jordan and Johnny really bad. And I was like, right,
there's no way but this one thing, Nelson and ne Reese.

(23:46):
In my eyes, everybody's like, oh, you're gonna pick Nelson,
You're gonna I was like, I would take no Resona.
I was thinking that too, nes because Nelson has a
fifty two record loss until Nese came in the picture broken,
so it is now. But I think nes is the
magic sauce and nothing. Nelson doesn't have like the strength
he does, but people are sleeping on neres She is

(24:07):
very smart and his prevent she can go to day.
I don't think anybody's sleeping. I think everybody knows exactly
what she's capable of. H Yeah and Johnny were trying
to like not Maria and Johnny, but their thought process
was that I was gonna want Nelson so bad that
Maria was gonna be able to right Jordan, I was
gonna go Nelson. Where I was thinking on a game level, Okay,
I would like to, you know, play with Nelson. He's
really good, really strong, endurance. But if I don't get him,

(24:30):
well I have a boy on the other side for
votes and Neurice, I'll Glade is amazing. Yeah, so that's
why I went Johnny, And then everybody's like, oh, I'm
trying to squirrel. It was. It was. It was tough,
and looking back at it, you know, it's kind of
hard to watch that. You know, it broke down like that,
But you're forced to make decisions in this game, and
you know, I try to respect everybody in the game
and do what I can. But I'm there to play

(24:52):
the game like you want to win too, So you
picked the best team that you need to get there.
So I don't care how the fun I got on
that team. I'm on a damn team. I don't want
to That's so off of Nelson though, Yeah, that's my
question about and I haven't questioned on Nelson's. Yeah, okay,
so before we get into this, let's take a quick
break and then I want all the tea. Nelson did

(25:23):
something huge in the last episode right where he decided
to save you over his woman at the time. Right
the Twitter streets are saying that it was a very
terrible move on his behalf right, that's what the Twitter
streets are saying, and the Twitter very much alive. Okay,

(25:44):
so they're saying that, you know, it was a very
bad move for him not taking a shot at you
and basically returning the favor for what you did to
him right the eye for an eye situation. Now that's
what I'm I want you to. I want you to.
This is a moment where I want you to stand
up for your boy. So this is okay, Okay, I'll

(26:05):
stand up for Nelson. Nelson did. Like I'm grateful that
he didn't throw me in Like if I was in
that position, I would probably be looking to get my
lick back too, you know. So I don't blame for
what people say, but I think Nelson's a very logical
person and he knows that in the game after that move,
like we could talk about the reason for the move,
blah blah blah. That's history. I'm saying the events that

(26:27):
happened after that move. You know, we did two seasons
together where I won two early on on spies eyes
and allies kept him safe, you know, and then I
want two here early on and kept him safe. So
he knew that I was an asset to his game.
And now I'm not trying to overshadow our friendship because
you know, we we do hang out a lot after

(26:49):
I went against him in the hall brawl, just because
we hang out with a lot of castmates throughout this,
you know, we we do a reunions, appearances all that,
and me and Nelson are always the one ducked off
in the corner hanging out because you know, we just
we just have always vibed together. I guess you know,
we've always just been very similar. And I mean, I

(27:09):
don't want to say like minded, because we think very
differently sometimes, I don't you know, but um, you know
that's my boy. I said save your boy. I said
save your boy. Listen, don't be trying to rouse you
were supposed to be saving him right now, fasty You
talk about you save him because it's because it's so
there are so many people whom I'm Old Davin would

(27:31):
have threw your ass in here too. But New Davion,
I'm trying to turn New leave be a better person.
So I understand why he was like, you know what,
let me do something different. I get that, But how
how what would you have done? That's what I tell
the trust COLI was down there, or a girl that
you had real feelings for, or that girl in Sydney.

(27:53):
Why Sydney, y'all. Y'all, y'all are so contradictory. No, we're
just asking you what you would have done if you
were Nelson and you picked the safe and a girl
that you were with was down there. I voted in
Colleen and Annalise to save a Nissa and Jordan because
it was either going to be Annalise and Tommy or
you and Jordan. They didn't show that clip. I was like,

(28:14):
I'll put Annalyis and Colleen the girls, the two prettiest
girls in now, So I'm gonna vote in yes and
your friends Yes exactly, because I'm kind of a Girls
Before Host type of chick in my head. If I know,
I'm not no dummy, If I know, if Nelson's really
trying to get his lick back, then if I win
the daily challenge before him, which I did, I want
a daily challenge before him. You know he felt comfortable.

(28:37):
So like I'm just speaking on a game level, Like
you know, I know I'm not here to justify my
friendship to Davon or Twitter streets, like that's between me
and Nelson. Like, y'all it's a competition show, and y'all
love to talk about the drama, but the reality is,
like I mean, because it's a reality TV competition show,
so that means there is a double love competition. I

(29:01):
have another question, speaking of logical decisions, Fessie, I want
to know if at any point, because you kind of
like alluded to this earlier, but I want to know
if at any point when you were picking the teams,
did you consider maybe doing the strategy because it looked
like I could be wrong, but I feel like in
the episode you and Nelson or like it came up
for a second. But did at any point you think

(29:22):
about splitting up from Nelson so that you would have
a boy on the other side, you know, like a
friend kind of on the other team and you guys
could look out for each other. Was that ever, you know,
like a part of your strategy or did you just say, hey, no,
if I have my preference, I want to be on
the same team as Nelson. Um, you know for me,
like you heard the clip of Nelson or when he
was like it's all about getting to the final and

(29:43):
you saw my face where I was kind of like
it was because like everybody always says that, and it's
you got to win the dailies. In my head, a
lot of people like to float by, but my objective
is always to try to win the dailies, make decisions,
keep me safe, and get threats that are against me
out of the game. So what I just got so paranoid.
I guess we were in that place so long. When

(30:05):
TJ said, you want to make sure you win the
daily challenges, I was like, you know what, what's important
now is to win the daily challenges. So I'm going
to try to build the best team I can to
where we're versatile enough we have a pretty good shot
because you can't win at all. You know, Jordan's a
beast and he excels at a lot of things, but
I mean it's it's not going to be a one

(30:25):
man show, you know, So that's not what the challenges.
So no, when you're picking your teams, also, were you
sort of strategizing of like and I think sometimes we
see this with the pairs, you know, like the brains
of the team maybe or like the braun of the team,
and then you have a few people that are you know,
well versed, and then you have a few people who
maybe are the endurance kings or queens right of like

(30:45):
a team. So when you're picking your people, did you
in your mind try to categorize, like, okay, if I
want three smart people, you know, like the puzzle winners
or whatever, and like the three really strong or was
it just kind of like a gut instinct. It really
just came down to those first couple picks, because, like
I said, there was a lot of pairs that were

(31:06):
equal you know in challenge statistic wise, you know, whichever
team they ended up. So there was like four or
five teams like that, you know, Olivia and Harassio. I
was like, you know, Harassio is very good at a
lot of things. But Olivia impressed me a lot too,
because I was like, okay, Harassio was good, but you know,

(31:26):
if I have to compete against them, I'm okay with that.
I'd rather get a strong female in Olivia. You know,
she's proven herself. Like I was impressed with Olivia som
Sanatorian devon. So that was kind of logic. As far
as breaking it down, it was really the who was
gonna get where was Johnny Nelson gonna go because of
the whole Is Mariah gonna be able to get Johnny

(31:48):
and Jordan on the same team? And I was like,
I don't know. I just felt really I didn't know,
you know, where Banana stood so much. I knew he
was you know, Lloyd and Mariah, but with me and him,
you know, we were very cordial in the house, no beef,
but it's not like we were buddy buddy. You know,
I didn't know what was going on in his head. Sorry,

(32:09):
I don't know what I have. This is one thing
I thought about on the stage when we all got picked,
and you know, we don't know what's going to happen
or how things are going to break down elimination wise.
Did you ever think for one second, because I know
I did the minute they said there were teams that
the way that eliminations would go, like, if I do
pick my friends, I may have to go against them

(32:30):
because that would have been my biggest That would have
been my biggest concern, because you put, I was on
a team with Tori and Casey and Olivia, and I'm like,
I don't want to go against none of those bitches.
But we don't know the rules yet. You brought this
up on the show when we're in deliberation one time,
and that to me is a loser's mentality. You're playing
to lose. What if we lose and then have to go?

(32:51):
TJ said, play to win the challenges, So I'm gonna
build it to win the challenges and then if that,
I like to look at all sides we can win together.
Short were but that's that's a big fancy mentality. Is
just a look, if I got to go and get
you freeand it is what it is, I'm here to
right and we would have had to do that. But
I'm just saying like there, play to win. Sure, that's
one part of strategy, but also prepare yourself. That's another

(33:14):
part of being strategic. So I'm just saying, like, did
you think about that? Or you were just like, who's
going to help me win? You know? The thing was
there was a lot of people's game that was going
to be affected by this one move. You know who
you know, so but for me, it was like me
and Maria one we got to to make this decision.
So I wasn't really worried of the backfire that, oh

(33:35):
if this person ended up that man this, I was like,
that's not my problem. I won. I'm in power. You know,
it's all about what is going to be best for
Marian and Ice game moving forward, and then my individual
game on my team. I'm only asking because, like, the
one thing that we don't get to do when we're
on the show together, there's so many people like we
don't get to really see the thought process. So there's

(33:57):
the only reason why I'm asking. It's just I get
I'm reassessed to how people's brains work when it comes
to like they how they see the challenge working out
for them, how they see themselves winning it. It's just interesting,
that's all. Yeah. So are you more of a in
the moment player, Betsy or what can I do about tomorrow? Um? Well,

(34:19):
the way I play the challenge is, you know, I
take every day one day at a time. I try
to if I lose a challenge, try not to dwell
on it too much. And whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.
You can't control things in that game. It's all about
how you react. So you know, I kind of have
this like it is what it is attitude, and they're Like,
with that being said, I still show up and in

(34:41):
order for you to beat me, you're gonna have to
go one hundred percent and be better than me. So
that's my mindset. Like, and I try to respect everybody
in the process, like I don't. I don't walk around
but little anybody in the house or anything. But you know,
when they ask me how I feel about competing, I'm
gonna it's a reality show, and I try to be
real on there. And they just don't like it because

(35:03):
a lot of people played a victim on the show
because they know they're not gonna win these challenges, so
they have to make up for it in their confessional
SOB story. I feel like there's a lot of feelings
about them. I don't like names. You feel like give
some SOB stories in their confessionals. I'm curious, who are

(35:23):
we playing this violin for fifty? Who's the thing? Is? Like,
you could talk about your losses all day long. Man,
I've lost a million times on the show too, So
it's like I just focus on all right, that's in
the past. Now, let me go out and try to
win the next one. And I'm gonna do everything I
can to win the next one. You know, I treat

(35:44):
it like I'm not gonna get another call back like
this is. I treated like big Brother, like I'm playing
to win this one. A lot of people like I
got I'm trying to get the screen time. In the
confessional account, I'm like, if I'm on the show and
winning these challenges, the national cow's gonna come, They're gonna
be talking about not worried about that shit man. So yeah,

(36:05):
that's I don't know why people are worried about that
kind of stuff about screen time. It's weird. See it
time end time again. There's always the same winners. I
mean a lot of there's a lot of athletes that
come on the show, but their social game like they
get out right away. Turbo Gone Week two, Kels two
years ago, Gone Week two, It takes Kells was done

(36:25):
dirty though Kells was done dirt out game got out
double dirt. I came up to him at the nightclub
when I wanted to take challenge and I was talking
about working with them possible. He's like, Oh, you think
because you're in power, you're just gonna come over in
big man me. You don't have the house votes and
Esther is not gonna say my name, so you can't
get it done. I was like that house vote, gone

(36:46):
put that against him in a puzzle. Get your ass
out of here, out game. You should have won the
second challenge. You didn't. I want it. You got out game,
sob story my ass. You play as much thought into
that as you did that love note from the Double Agents,
those love notes you were leaving at the end, FEESSI,
it ain't all me as emmy Devin a pull man.

(37:10):
I cannot, I cannot me be in a sweetheart. Okay,
so wait, wait, okay. Any of your people that you
were like cuddling with throughout the season, do you still
cuddle with them present day? No? I don't. I'm not.
Who are you cuddling with right now? Whose dms are
you in, FESSI? What country are they? Someone in your

(37:34):
bed right now? Who's feeder? That she? Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican? Yeah,
and she ain't on a show. That's the best part.
That's really the way best part for you. Yeah, that
is good, FESSI. But but when you are on the show,
both now and potentially in the future, I want to
how are you gonna go back to doing the FESSI

(37:54):
cannon thing or can you be loyal? Fessy Shuffle my
first show, I went on the challenge. I had a girlfriend,
and you could ask anybody on that show. I didn't
even cross the line whatsoever with anybody. And NISA's making
a face, she's puckering a little bit, Anisa, what does
that mean? I wasn't their chalse. I don't know. I
wasn't there either, you guy, ask any girl on there
because there was multiple interested in. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes,

(38:19):
you're right. Actually I don't know. I don't know who
was interested. I was just told to crack the egg,
and the egg was very hard to crack. It was
very hard to even make friends with this man. But
we became I thought friends. Are you guys friends now?
Bes seeing a Nissah, Yeah, I'm not talking about him
on camera. I don't got no beef an we got.

(38:40):
We've been on vacation together, like you, I love you. Oh,
but we didn't go just because we're friends. We didn't
go in there with set plan. Hey, I don't care,
Come on, don't be saying we went on vacation When
I'm like, but you You and Mariah wanted to put
us in the first time when you won, but it didn't.
So it's always love, it's always right. The game is

(39:03):
so different because I know you. I know you can
hold your own fecy in any situation. A lot of
people aren't going to beat you, and I tried to
put you in the best situation I could, considering the
game got down to a lot of very good people.
I know this podcast interview is about fancy, but I
do have a question about the Tory and Jordan situation
because it was hot, yeah, and I want to know opinions.

(39:25):
And I know that's your best friend and Hetha, but
I still want to know your opinion as opinions, who
do you think was right in the situation? And who
do you think was wrong? I don't right and wrong is?
I think are weird. I don't know if the terms
are right. I think maybe had they discussed, like maybe
had a little discussion. I don't know. I just feel

(39:46):
like it's a really weird environment to do that in.
So it's hard to like harbor emotions and have them
at bay and act like everything is okay when you
really feel something. It's I think it's just a weird
environment to explore being with and without someone and then
seeing them with somebody else. I think it's just very unnatural,

(40:07):
like you're never gonna have that. Do you guys think
I could see both sides too, Jordan was doing it
on purpose? Do you think Jordan was doing it on purpose?
I mean I think he could have. I think he
could have gone without it. Betsy, what do you think? Yeah? Yeah?
You know. The thing is I can't speak on their
relationship because I know they dated for a long time
where a lot of you know, these challenge relationships are
just flings or whatever, So like, I know they have

(40:28):
a lot of history. But I think what really red
shirt with me when Jordan said, oh, the Tory Show,
Because it's like, I get it, she has her emotions
and whatever, but Jordan still has feelings and stuff too
that he's going through. So it's like when he said,
if she's emotional, I have to be sad, or she's sad,
I have to be sad. Like that, Really, you know,

(40:50):
red shirt with me because I'm like, I get it,
But I can't speak on on that because I don't
know how deep that gets. Um that to me though,
that's called empathy As a viewer, it to me, it
was really infuriating because I think, look, yes they're both single,
and Jordan has every right to move on, for sure,
but kind of like a Lisa said, it's like, did

(41:11):
he really need it? We know the odds of challenge
flings like happening. It's not like that's potentially his soulmate.
Let's be real. And also, and when the minute Tory
said we were in bed together cuddling whatever, I was
naked here, you didn't have any of those conversations, then
to me, it is a respect thing, like and it
was just an unnecessary level of like of re almost

(41:35):
like just re hurting someone. And then his whole idea
of like if she's upset, have to be upset. It's
not that you have to be upset. But empathy is
literally saying, you know what, I see your point, like,
let me not do this in front of a room
full of everybody, you know what I mean, Like, let
me not make, in the words of Maxwell from Love
and Basketball, make a fool out of you. And so
I feel like that part just wasn't It just wasn't

(41:56):
cool at all, And I felt so bad for Tory.
Jordan's wealth and his right to move on. I think
it was on purpose. Let me tell you why. When
they was in there having the argument the Momentory said,
it's not easy watching your ex make out with somebody
else the first thing. Jordan said, Oh, that's how you feel.
It's not easy to watch, And I'm like, oh, you hurt?
You like shooting a dagger back At the minute he

(42:18):
said it, I was like, oh, so, you know, I
felt like un Bertha. Maybe it was a scheme that
Todd set up, like it just felt like real bad.
I was like, that's not that's not good. That's not
a good look at all. I do think, you know,
they have an attraction to each other, him and the Reds,
But I definitely think that that was intentional. I think
he was trying to like show her how he felt

(42:38):
because maybe throughout their conversations maybe he never got that
she never really understands how hurt I am about this situation.
So maybe it was one of those I'm gonna make
you feel it so you can really understand. And it
kind of backfired on him. Teletoxic, Hella toxic and the
Rees should remove herself from that just it's not a
good look around. Well, we will see in episodes to

(43:00):
um whether or not she does remove herself. Bessie, you
remember that time you were on the Challenge Aftermath and
you were sneaking Michelle into your hotel room and you
guys are trying to deny it, and you were sitting
on the couch together. Nah, I just thought of that
was fun. I didn't sneak into her thing you brought her, No,
But like you guys were canoodling, but it was you
were trying to keep it secret on the aftermath. Remember
you were sitting next to each other. People can go

(43:20):
watch it. It's weird because there was two aftermaths and
there was two different things happening. You're saying two different women.
Is that what them now hearing? What was the question?
I forgot the questions I would never get in a
feud with. You know, some I think, like the Jordan
and Toory thing I can't speak of, but like with

(43:42):
the Nurice thing, I think, you know, people you get
lonely in that house. There's a lot of downtime and
like kind of know who's single, who's feeling somebody whatever,
So there's only so many options. M And as far
as me, like you know, it kind of is what
it is. Well, it didn't work out for a reason,
Like I will respect everyone, like as far as the
game goes, I don't. I'm not gonna be sitting there

(44:05):
jealous over you know, a girl that I've had someone
in the past, trying to get to know somebody knew,
you know, like it didn't work out. I'm gonna sit
here and hold your hostage like some guys. Dude, that's
just you see more of like a step back type
person like, oh okay, well go figure that out. Yeah,
I'm like, if it's working out, it's working out, And
like if it's on me, if I know I'm lacking,

(44:26):
I'm gonna try my best to make up in this
situation to make it right. But if it's like she's
not showing an effort or she thinks she's gonna try
to like ghost me and I'm gonna come chase, and
then we're just gonna be we'll never speak again, you know, Like,
if you're not gonna put in that like effort, I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna pursue a girl that wants
to be chased and isn't showing interest back. So now

(44:48):
that you and your partner have detached. Are you still
going to be looking out for her, being as you
are the one who brought her here? Are you still
going to be looking out for her? Good question. Yeah,
so I'm never gonna vote her in for sure. Are
you gonna be looking out for her making sure that
others don't vote her in his will? Would you think

(45:09):
you'll knick out for her like that? To be honest, yeah,
I would like to say I'm trying to have her
back in the game, but I'm not the type to
like politic like that, Like I kind of play the
game like I'm not trying to like just avoid the situation.
I'm trying to, like they like, answer it honestly, like

(45:29):
you know, now that we are separated, I am trying
to do what's best for my team to help us
win a daily challenge. But if it come down to
that at this point in the game, I for sure
like I'm trying to make sure she sticks around because
once she's done phenomenal with me, since she's been in
the game, and so she has earned her right to
be here, and on a game level, that's a person

(45:52):
I would like to think on another team that wouldn't
say my name either. So yeah, but as far as
I've never been the type, you know that it's kind
of like I guess the big brother in me to
where it's kind of like you can only say so
many people like a boat. So it's like, I've never
been the type to tell people to save me, let

(46:14):
alone say somebody else. So if I'm being honest, that's
kind how I play the games, Bessie, you talked about
with like Harassio and Olivia there being like the way
that they didn't work in that particular daily was because
it was two people trying to like lead, right, and
that one person really needed to lead on your team
now as it stand, so obviously you're the team captain

(46:34):
because you picked the team and you're a natural born leader.
Who would you pick on your team to be your
co captain? Like stepping back and looking at all the
people that are on your team without revealing any spoilers, like,
who else would you trust at this point to be
your co captain of the team? I like? I mean,
the thing with Johnny is he's so vocal and he's

(46:54):
got so opinionated with his ideas that he just instinctively
just becomes you know the voice of the team. So
and I'm not the type of person to be like, hey, no,
I'm the captain. You look like, you know, like I'm
gonna be a team player and let everybody talk. But
at the same time, if I feel like this strategy

(47:16):
is best, I'm gonna voice my opinion as well. Make
sure it's heard, because now my ass is online with
this team. Yeah, and then we'll go from there. You know,
we'll wear our options. You know, if a player has
to go twice, which player gives us the best chance,
you know, at winning. I think I'm still the person
going in every time for that. But as far as voice,

(47:36):
I think everybody, you know, I think we had a
well balanced team. I think that's what I was trying
to accomplish. You know, you have a Nissan and Tori
and Casey on the female side, which have you know,
so much experience? Absolutely, because like that that was my
thought process. I wanted to pick strong females for my team.
I thought that gave us the best chance because I
think in these challenges, dailies, in the final, it's not

(47:58):
who the strongest may is like having a strong male helps,
but it's who the most well rounded female is That's
that's who's gonna win it in a partnership is who
has the best female, the most endurance, and hopefully she
could help out with some of the menstal games, you know,
the puzzles, no stuff like that, because thema get you
every time. I agree, Bessie, you've been such a team

(48:20):
player and we've given you so much flak that you
deserve m But is there anything else if we were
to give you just thirty seconds of your voice of
what Bessel wants to put out into the world, whether
it be something that you feel people don't know about you,
that maybe is misunderstood about you, UM, some secret about
that girl whose DMS you're in, that's Puerto Rican, whatever

(48:42):
it is, what would be the floor is yours? What
is the thirty seconds that you know Bessie wants to
tell the world more love, less hate? Look at you see,
we're not gonna buy that book. What I was want
to say? He really would say, I mean, I thought
it was a cute pin. I would say, I would leave,
I would leave the listeners with this. Just understand, in

(49:02):
this game, there's rookies and there's vets, but everybody has
their own story and their own life and stuff they're
coming from. So you only see the little fifteen second
confessional about their opinion on the situation, and just know
they got their whole life going on, you know, back home.
So yeah, yeah, everybody's like, oh, they're a rookie. Well

(49:22):
they're a rookie in this game. They're not a rank
in life, you know, right, So I guess just understand
that everybody has their own story to tell and not
everybody's gonna be. You don't got to compare everybody. You
don't gotta be who's next, Who's the next banana? Like?
You know, you don't have to compare everybody. I know
the social media loves to compare, but that's true. All

(49:45):
words of wisdom from Bessie. Oh look, some good does
come out of you. We love when that happens. Don't
give me that look, Bessie out. We are gonna play
little game because you know we love a good game.
You've learned this podcast and Aftermaths and all. This game
specifically for the challenge Rider dies Um is one about

(50:06):
how well you know your ride or Die. So we
have three questions for you about Maria and uh, it's
your time to prove how much you know, and don't
shut your phone down, right, Yeah, I text her Maria
alert my Wi Fi going out. I'm gonna be honest,
you know, Aliance. Okay, so question number one. Now we

(50:30):
know that you're a geography expert, right, where is Mariah's
hometown Chicago? That is not the answer that we have, that,
ain't it. That's where our family lives though, that's where
her family lives, or that's where her hometown is, That's
where she's from, That's where she grew up. Okay, I
know this answer. Where she grew up. She grew up

(50:51):
in um Semi Florida. Okay, we'll take that. Good job,
good job we had Orlando kissime is Orland is like
basically there, so yes, good job, good job MESSI I
thought it was a true question. Okay, you're always on
the defense. Why are you so worried we're not coming in?
A gamer? He's a gamer man. The moment you realize
that Bessy like me, we get real paranoid very easily.

(51:14):
It's that big brother shit. I swear to God to
look like no chump man. I played an except I
played a whip. I don't set myself up in any scenario. Ever,
I can not just be authentically. You know about the
gotcha me, but I'm being on it right now. Tell

(51:35):
you how I feel? Yeah, okay, uh Nissa, do you
want to take question number two? Sure we know Mariah
loves her family and her dogs. But her family, how
many younger siblings does she have? Younger or total? Both?
To the math? Ain't math and her total siblings the

(51:58):
right answer? You texted her about this? I mean I
don't have her phone number. I don't think so. All right, Well,
so you got questions one, you got one right. Further,
notice mariah total siblings, I think it's seven three living
Orlando or something at the rest of it. But does
she are we including her in this like total children
in the family are seven? See I didn't break down

(52:20):
the math. Well what we could ask her later, but
we can give myself a half a point for now.
We're not giving you points here. You get yeah, right,
you get a point for the first answer, you get,
not a for number two. Now number three, this is
the real question. Okay, this is for all the points, Bessie.
If you want to come on top as a winner, right,
you said you hold yourself to that standard. Then I'm

(52:40):
gonna need you to give the most accurate answer of
this question in depth. In depth, it is an essay question.
Go back to SATs Okay, here we go. Why do
you think your partner Maria likes bananas? All right, that's
that's the question. Why do you think Mariah likes bananas?
What is it? What is it that you have not seen?

(53:00):
The good question? So, I mean Mariah has gone on
record saying bananas isn't usually her type whatever, you know,
she goes for taller guys or whatever. But in the
Challenge House, I think you spend so much time with
each other, you get to know each other, and their
personalities just match up more than what she's attracted to,
you know, like bananas is the guy who's gonna dress

(53:22):
up in the thong and be goofy and do stupid
shit like that, and like I forgot, Maria usually attracted
to that. But that's kind of how Mariah is. She's
that goofy, always talking whatever. So I think the fact
that they clicked on that level is what makes it.
Because Maria is like a energizer bunny. She got a
mouthpiece on her. She'll talk for days, and so will Johnny.

(53:45):
So I think that's do with it, Yeah, for sure.
I also wondered just my theory on this is, do
you think it's because, so, you know, of your team,
you were kind of the leader of the two of you,
and Ryan is very smart and obviously very capable. She
proved that in this daily and throughout the season. But
it seems like there's a certain part of her a
that's just very compassionate, Like I love the way she

(54:05):
spoke to you when you were being vulnerable with us,
But she looks to you as a leader, and Bananas,
you know, old or not, arguably is a has that
leader quality about him and is like, you know, can
be smart and talk a lot and all of that.
And so I wonder if that's also part of the draw,
aside from the goofiness, like when we saw her him
advising her around team picking and all that. The way

(54:26):
Banana spits game is, you know, he's I've noticed, like,
you know, he's a he's a decent looking human being.
You know, he's in shape whatever, But you know, he's
like five eight, so he's always excelled with his mouthpiece.
I think so five nine, Okay, sorry, five nine. So
I think the way he spits game is he just

(54:48):
puts it all out there on the table, all the jokes,
all the whatever, and sees what sticks and shows his
whole personality whatever, whereas someone like me or I don't know,
maybe Harassi or Jordan are kind of more reserve, laid back,
chill and bananas a Devin. They're gonna tell you every
funny story they have from you know that. That's just

(55:10):
their their style of game, and it works. You know,
if you can make a girl laugh, you could make
her do a lot of things. And heard it here
Frozen folks, Yes you've heard it here first on that note, uh, Bessie.
If a girl wants to if you want to make
a girl laughing, she wants to follow you on social media,
where can she find you? Clearly not Twitter, man, Screw Twitter,

(55:34):
y'all be hayting elan to mess it up anyway, Davin, Sorry,
I used to try and support you on that girl,
but I can't know if I can, if I can,
be honest, I ain't been on Twitter and about a month,
so you see, you know it? Are you serious to
talk all this shit about Twitter? Like you know what?
Because I used to really be on Twitter, but it's
not what it. It cracked up to me that one
used to be exactly on Twitter. After next week's episode,

(55:56):
I'll I'll talk some shit. Oh, here we go? Where
can they find you? For? See Bessie Fitness on Instagram,
Twitter TikTok all that okay? And um, are your dams open?
If people just want to slide in there? Or how
does that work? Is there a line or like a
wait list? Nah? I ain't trying to hear it, to
be honest, I don't heard at all. I know that's right.

(56:16):
Shut the dough because he found himself a little mommy,
a little spand mommy, you know what I'm saying. Okay,
And that concludes this interview. That's been great. Thank you
a k A. Nick Cannon. It was a pleasure having
you here. Uh and yes, it has been such a
wonderful interview. Appreciate you. Let me get some words in Bathassy, Well,

(56:51):
that was a wonderful interview with Bessel. Uh. Yeah, gotta
we got to see his personality up and close. If
anybody wants to see you guys up and close, where
can they find you? Let's start with you Davon. Where
can they find you on social media? At home? Or
you can find me on Instagram at Davion Diane Underscore.
That's where I'm at right now, Anisa where they can

(57:13):
find you? A. They can find me at Anissa MTV
on Instagram A and e sa MTV. That's the only place.
Thank you? And wow, did you notice Yvon just throw
out the window? On Twitter and YouTube wild you can
find me all My website, devinsmone dot com has all
my socials there. That's Devin with the y simone with
an eye and I'm most active on Instagram, Davon. What

(57:35):
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