Starget w/ Rachel Robinson

The iconic Rachel Robinson comes on the podcast to discuss her much anticipated return to The Challenge, a very interesting elimination, and working with Veronica and Tina this season.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up everyone. I'm Tory Deal and I'm Anisa Ferreira
and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
There was a battle of Titans on this week's episode,
and he so, what did you think about that car
Maria and Rachel matchup?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
You know, I it's exciting to see, you know, two
women of their caliber duke it out. However, they weren't
really duke and they were just tossing and they had
aim like they were blindfolded. So I mean, we'll get
into that later.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It was interesting for them, but you know, that's a
challenge for you.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, and I also think that it's like the actual
daily Challenge. It was that unbraided reloaded on the side
of the trucks, And you know, when you're competing with
so many people on a team and you get to
be put in the bottom because of that, that's just
such a frustrating feeling. There's way too many moving parts
for when you're operating and working as a team that

(00:59):
when you you're on the bottom because of that, and
now it's another girl's day.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's kind of just like.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Or had that double last week.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
So, but the week before that was a Girl's Week.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was three girls weeks in a row because Tina
got her star and then it.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Was yeah, but then Janelle left, but still it was
still still yeah, you know it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
But oh man brutal well.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
The winners of this challenge were Laurel, Cam, Steve, Derek
and Ryan and I loved their team dynamic. What were
you thinking when you were watching them compete?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, I think it's great because those like I did
it before, an Ace has done it before, this unbraided thing,
except we were just hanging from this gigantic thing crane
in Africa, and to watch people who have never done
it do it so efficiently was very interesting. And on
the side of a truck just bouncing around with limited space,

(01:52):
it was impressive to watch. Yeah, I would have been
dizzy and annoyed and smashed like a bug on a windshield.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Same, I think to them, I think it was really
clear that you know, and they had mentioned it like
there was such a strong presence with Laurel and Cam
that they were able to direct where everybody should go,
which made it very easy to have a coach on
the field or a captain of the team, whereas if
when we looked at the group that Rachel was in

(02:20):
and some of the other players.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
It was just it was just it just felt like chaos.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Right, So I think that, like it's just so obvious
now that when you have a challenge where you need
where you have a lot of people working together on
something that's pretty complicated, it's like one or two voices,
one or two cooks in the kitchens or else it's
just going to be an absolute mess, both those kitchens, kitchens.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
We got cooks in the kitchens.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I can't ever say anything, right.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
You can the skin of your teeth. You fucking nailed
it today.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, well you haven't hit that.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
We haven't hit that yet, but you're amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
So now we have this losing group of Rachel, Nicole,
car Maria, and Veronica, I mean pretty sacked. Losing group.
Don't really want to go against any of them, no,
and now they're going to have to go against one another.
I mean yeah, it wouldn't be my ideal losing group.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
No, definitely not.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I think people are smelling like blood in the
water with this one because you have car Maria down there,
you have Rachel down there, I mean, Veronica and Rachel
are friends, and then Nicole's also a great competitor, so
it's kind of just.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Like, oh shit, how is it's a strong woman down there?
No matter what.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Well, I feel like Derek and Ryan may have Rachel
and Veronica's back before they would have Nicole and Carr,
but then you have like Cam does she want revenge
against Kara, and then Laurel and Nicole and their dynamic,
and then Steve's just like whatever because I don't know
where his allegiance stands, you know, I don't know where
he is in the game yet because this episode really

(03:54):
wasn't about him. Yeah, but seeing how they voted, I mean,
I get it. You want strong able to go against
one another kind of saves you. Cam gets what she wants,
and I mean it's definitely some type of revenge, you know.
So it's interesting to see to see how this vote

(04:14):
is just pretty clear cut, but also to see how,
you know, Ryan's like, I'm never going to vote for Rachel,
you know, so to see like where people are like, hey,
this is my girl and I'm just not going.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I have mixed feelings on the way the voting went,
and it's just interesting watching the Car and Cam story unfold, right,
because like I know them to be and we all
know them to be great friends. Maybe they don't talk
as much outside of the game as you know the
game portrays at least, right, like you assume people are
friends on the outside, but you never really know. But

(04:49):
Kara definitely feels like in this particular vote, everyone's really
gunning for her, and she's feeling like because of what
she did the week prior where she didn't have Cam's
back on the Ayana vote, that now it's kind of
full circle, and Cam's looking at it like, Okay, well,
we're not playing together.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
We're not playing together. I think you can look at
it from both sides.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I think you can look at it and say, okay, well,
Cam has drawn a line in the sand, But she
also felt like Car drew it first, and from Car's perspective,
it kind of looks like Cars just trying to play
her own game but still have an allegiance with Cam
up until this point. It's just interesting and I think obviously,
like being in the bottom knowing that you could go
up against somebody like Rachel, that just is such a
direct shot at that point because it's like, Rachel's such

(05:27):
a good competitor that it's like, how could there be
a friendship after this?

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I feel like that's a difficult one to come back from.
I feel like they've kind of established where they're at.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
And it just, yeah, I don't see I see it
only getting worse for Cam and Kara. Yeah, you know, tensions.
We still have a lot of game left to play.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
So the elimination was called Star Slice, not to be
confused with Pizza Slice, just in case anyone thought they
were throwing sharp pieces of pizza at that board, and
the winner was Carl Maria and Rachel lost.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Any one you think about watching this elimination, I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Not what I wanted. Yeah, but I think when people
watch this, it's just such a crapshoot. Yeah, that was
anyone's game. I mean, it was no one's game for
the first twenty throws because they were busy trying to
take out production in the back. I'm like, how do
you guys throw it that far up? I think perhaps
if they had like a cute little five minute training

(06:27):
that game would have been a little different. But it's
kind of a nailbitter. If nobody makes it. For the
first hour, it just it was it was sad to
see Rachel go because it feel like we didn't get
enough of her, especially since she hasn't been on our
screens for so long. So yeah, you know, and I'm biased.
I mean, Rachel and I have been friends for twenty

(06:47):
one years, twenty two years now, so it's you know,
I want to see what she's got. Well, see how
you know the lady still got it. She does, she
does all the puppies, but this wasn't a burpie competition.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
It was.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, it may have been different. So Car wins and
then gives her start at Jasmine.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
That was so spicy and I loved it.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Give it to me. I don't care and what.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I just can't wait to see how this all unfolds,
Like Jasmine brings so much energy energy to the show.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Always been spiceball.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I always been spicy.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, it's great, All right, Anissa, who are you going
to give your all.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Star of the episode two?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I mean, Laurel and Cam really did take hold of that. Yeah,
I'll give it a double a doeb a star to
the girls, to the women that they could navigate a
whole group of people, and they did it effortlessly and
it seemed so fast. What about you?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I also have to give it to I guess
if you're going to give it to them, I want
to give mine to Jasmine because I really enjoyed the
energy she brought this episode, and somehow by making an
enemy she got a star.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I think that was a little bit of a finesse
on her part. I really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
That little starflex, Yeah, little starflex.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Who would you give your no star to?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean it might be a toss up. One my
star goes to car and Rachel's aim they have no
star for that. The other no star goes to Tina. Tina,
you didn't need to say your girl's name. Uh, I
get it, But I don't get it, So no star
for you, and and you don't have a star anymore either,

(08:28):
So like it kind of works.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I'll co sign that one because I think that
that's tough. I don't I feel like, even if you
know it was at the very bottom of the bottom,
I don't know how I feel about saying your name.
So I get it unless you unless you gave me
your blessing, which is a whole different story, but.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Still don't do it, you know, like you have my
blessing because I don't want to seem like a child.
But also if you do it, yeah us yeah, And
I can't wait to see what happens now. But obviously,
before we even get into next week, I think we
really just got to get We got.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
To get the answers from the Queen herself, who was
in the elimination arena, who's already won an elimination this season,
and who has made her comeback after ten years of
taking a break from the challenge. We have an interview
with Rachel Robinson coming up right after this.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, let's get back to the show, all.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Right, guys, I am especially excited for this episode because we.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Have the one and only.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I mean, you could probably list her as one of
the best female competitors to ever come on the show.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Let's be real.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
She's absolutely incredible through and through, from who she is
as a person through who she is is a competitor.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
She's known from Road Rules Campus Crawl.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
But better known as one of the best challenge champions
in the game and the owner of Rachel Fitness. So everybody,
please welcome in Rachel Robinson on.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
The Crowd goes Wild Wild.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I'm sure they'll add the effect in hope Allia not
little tiny soft hand clap.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
I mean I told him this podcast is going to
be like three best friends talking probably pretty much.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I never thought I would ever see you on our
screens again. I know that we've talked over the years.
I'm like, please do it. You're like, I have a
family and a life, like I can't. I'm like, you
can just do one, and then you do one and
I'm not. I'm not there, and I was really sad. However,
it was really nice to watch you this time play

(10:30):
like because we haven't seen you play since what Duel too?

Speaker 4 (10:34):
No? Hello, how could you pergre.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Rachel's partner.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
That's fun season we had and.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Where we were the only two girl. Uh we fucking
killed it, though we did. We really killed in half way.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean nobody would have thought that, but like we
were kind of on an uphill battle in terms of
the house dynamics. But well, yeah we don't. That's the pays.
We don't need to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
No more so. Ten years goes by. What made you
do this one?

Speaker 4 (11:06):
You know? It was just Honestly, I didn't want access
to be my last memory of the show.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I really have to say, like, because.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
As much so much as I love a Lisa and listen,
you're one of the best partners in the game because
you are so smart and you are so good with
making friends and it comes natural. It's not something you
do because you're strategizing. But but that season was just
not fun for me. So I really wanted an app Yeah,

(11:37):
I really wanted to come back and have a fun
season and remind myself why I originally fell in love
with the challenge, and so it was always on the
back of my mind. And you know, I obviously started
a family, got married, I have a career that I'm
very proud of, and it's not so easy to leave.
But I finally got my wife on board and Natalie

(12:04):
g she held down the Ford and I was able
to go, and it was it was honestly cosmic, because
it is very special for me to go back with
best friends, you know, with even just Brad and Ace
and so many of us that it's really true. I mean,
twenty years you've known these people, and it feels like

(12:26):
not a day goes by when you see them again.
So it's just crazy how that works. And it felt
really special. It felt, you know, I was not sure
how I would walk into the game in terms of competing,
and I think that winning a star on the first
first challenge was it was so monumental for me for
so many reasons because during that challenge there was so

(12:49):
much I had to overcome in my own head, like
giving up, like that first star took me like all
eight tries, so you know, I really came back from behind.
And I remember being in bed that night and I'm like,
you fucking did it, Like you came back and you
got a star on your first episode and like on
the first challenge, you know, and I just remember feeling

(13:11):
this sense of you know, just relief and also proving
to myself that I was I am the competitor that
I remember myself to be. You hadn't done it in
so long, so that was really nice. And then obviously
we'll let you guys go and we'll get into the
elimination eliminations. They don't get me breaks on you know,

(13:33):
but they didn't give me no breaks.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But the Tina and Veronica dynamic for me is very
is very nostalgic because I've lived with it, but watching
it and you're dynamic with Tina, you just crack.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
Up.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because Tina's not great at this game. No, I love
her to death.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
But yeah, it's it's hilarious. I agree. I mean, Tina
is one of those people where you you I immediately
loved her when I met her on the Gauntlet, and
this is back in two thousand and three, okay, and
nobody liked her. Everyone thought she was too loud, she
was too opinionated, she was too you know, And I said,

(14:13):
I like those qualities. I like that she's loud. I
like that she's opinionated. I like that she's funny, you know,
And that really set the the you know, that really
set our friendship, and then, you know, moving forward through
the years, it just we've always stayed in touch. Obviously,
Veronica and I have a long history. So that was

(14:35):
interesting to come back to but also really therapeutic because
we really did have each other's back in the game,
and it really felt like it felt like an old challenge.
It felt like a battle of the sexes, or it
felt like a gonletge. Yeah, and that's what I wanted
to come back to. I think that's how I remember

(14:56):
the challenge. That's the feelings that I have with it.
And for me, it was the perfect setup. And I
just loved this season. I really did. I had the
best time. I thought the guys were amazing. I thought,
you know, I thought the women were so strong, from
every single woman. I remember stepping on and looking at
the twelve women and thinking to myself, Wow, every single

(15:19):
woman here is an opinionated badass, right you go back
to Laural Laurel, I mean cam like it would. There
was no not even one spot where you could say
this woman is an opinionated and gonna do what she
wants to do. That's how I saw the cast, And
once I saw all twelve women, I said, there's something

(15:41):
special happening here. Yeah, you know, I really I I
obviously am a huge feminist, so.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
No guys.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Know, well he seems you know, I'm amongst my friends here,
so we can speak like that, and you know, I
just there was something. I know, you two can speak
on it. There's some challenges where it just feels special,
and then there's some where you're like.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Giving the fuck out of here.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
I want to get out of here, you know, and
this was a special one. And I think everyone is
going to say that, whether they're the first one gone
or a winner, they're going to say there's something special
about this season.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I mean, I think there's something special about All Stars
in and of itself. It's just a different feeling because
we've went we went through the trauma van early on
in life, where like we were still developing as like
young people, so these people are part kind of part
of our identities. So I think it makes it a
little bit a little bit different than the flagship, if

(16:54):
you will. And people play more of like a straight
up game because they know who they are. And that's
like with every episode we've done of the podcast for
All Stars, it's like nobody gives a shit, like you
are who you are, Like at forty two, I'm not
going to change because I'm going on a show with
a bunch of people. You know, like I know who
I am, Like you're not going to change who I am.

(17:14):
So I like that.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
And that's one of the things I said in my interview.
I said, listen, last time you saw me, I was
a twenty eight year old girl. I'm a forty year
old woman now, like you had your own opinions. Rachel,
you definitely did have to always have my own opinions.
And I definitely never went with the crowd just because
the crowd said go with the crowd.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I think You're not a group think kind of girl.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
No. In fact, I'm probably quite the opposite. It's like,
if the whole crowd's saying do something, I'm like, wait,
it's that game, you know. So that's kind of the
way that you know, I have operated. But talking about
trauma bonding, just because you said that, I also want
to mention that I also got to know a lot
of new people that I realized their experience were so
much similar to mine, and there really is a true

(18:00):
trauma bond on these challenges. Like Avery, Avery, I loved her,
I mean, I thought she was great. I loved her
as a person, and she had a very traumatic exes
too experience. Oh yeah, and the challenge. And I didn't
know this. I come in not knowing anything, right, but
we're kind of comparing notes right on like what we've
been through, and it really is true. Like when I

(18:22):
sat down and I kind of went back to my
room that night, I said, that's so weird that we
have such a same experience, you know, in terms and
the same kind of season like you know in Exes
and this It was just very it was very interesting,
That's all I have to say. Like there was a
lot like way out what a lot a lot of lesbians.

(18:43):
There's a lot of lesbians. We had Laurel and Nicole,
you like, really really being stereotypical lesbians back and forth.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But you know, I think it's it's really interesting to
watch you connect with all these people, even watching your
relationship going back to Ayana unfold, like seeing how you
had her back and you were there for her, and
then also you having to go up and compete against her.
What was it like to go against Ayana in that
elimination and then like coming back into the house after

(19:15):
having to beat your friend.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well, I think what happened to Ayana is a typical
thing I've seen play out in a challenge multiple times.
It's when the upper hand in the house, so people
with a lot of political power i e. Cam and
Leroy decide they have a target, right, and you could
say anything at that point, she could have said anything.
She was going to be I believe she was starting

(19:37):
to annoy the wrong people. And she was going to
go in. I think that was something that was just
kind of brewing, right, So she didn't do herself a
favor by giving them a reason, right, But I know nothing,
and obviously I don't like to see anyone feel alone

(19:59):
in the game. To me, I was watching her and
I could pick up on where she was going because
I always say, you can always tell when someone's depressed
on the show because they just sleep. No, it's just sure,
you know, it's whenever you see somebody just sleeping all
the time, it's a tell tale sign that like they're
in an emotional regression on the show. So I really

(20:22):
wanted to be there for her. I did really keep
in touch with her through the year. I sent her,
you know, fitness gear, I sent her bands. I really
was encouraging her because I was watching from afar her
getting into shape, and I was there for her. And
you know, the truth is is that she was having
issues with a few people in the house and they

(20:42):
just didn't like her talking. They didn't like her saying
her opinion. They didn't you know, she obviously is a
very opinionated person as well.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
And well, he's passionate, he's passionate, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
But it was interesting kind of the way the game played,
because the whole to not send Jasmine in against Janelle
was that they were saying that she's a single mother
and she needs this. I don't know if she needs this,
she needs this right, And then literally the next challenge
they're sending in the single mother with four kids, and

(21:15):
I was like, well, where do we kind of you.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Know, the rule doesn't apply to everyone.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
They like, the narrative only works when it works the
way you want to work it. Yeah, and that was
my issue with it. And nobody needed it more than Ayana.
Nobody needed like the you know, just the challenge more
than her. So I was it was bittersweet. It was
also interesting for me because I was put in obviously

(21:42):
to take her out, which looking back, to be honest,
I went in with very calm ease, but she was
probably one of the hardest people to take out in
the game.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I mean, I'm watching that, I was like, Wow, either
this gugo.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Either way, she's.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
And she's intimidating, let me tell you, and she's very
very smart. So I was blessed to get something that
I definitely thrived in. I knew. I mean I knew
get get low. We'll talk about what happens to me
in that elimination, but you know this lady. Yeah, but
in terms of I was, you know, she could take

(22:18):
out a lot of people in an elimination, is my point.
So yeah, And the way that the house kind of
spoke about it was, oh, we're going to send Rachel in.
She's going to take out Ayana, you know. And I
mean people were ready to quit. People were in the house.
I mean cam had said she was going to quit,
Jasmine said she was going to quit. Like. There was
a lot of people, a lot of chatter, you know.
So after I won, I was like, okay, guys, I

(22:41):
did you all a favor. You can thank me now,
and they literally throw me into the next one and
I'm like, well, I don't feel very appreciated right now.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah. But the thing is they threw in I get it.
They weaponized you, which is a familiar feeling and Tori
knows that, but also like it's a two fur, like
you also have the chance to get Rachel hat the
game as a person that's not your friend saying this.
It's but understand that they do that. So like if
it does go wrong, we have somebody who's already emotionally

(23:11):
kind of like eh, and somebody who might be really
like a like a removed head wise from the game.
And then we have Rachel. So if Rachel goes home,
well we still have this person we could throw them
back in. So it was kind of a win win
for a lot of people. But I want to know
more so Cam had some opinions, and I know you

(23:32):
have some opinions about Cam's opinions, because we talk a
lot about in the last two episodes about friendships, you know,
and how much they mean and trusting people. And I
know that coming into this game, Cam and Kara were
really tight. Yeah, so you and we see you and
Kara have this previous conversation Stars Protect Stars, and then

(23:55):
you you get to watch it and see that like
there's now there's going to be a riff between Car
and Cam because they were friends. I mean, do you
understand Cam's reaction to that?

Speaker 3 (24:07):
No?

Speaker 4 (24:07):
And I think that people that play this game and
expect you to play their game, it's a very entitled position.
So for me, the fact that Cam couldn't sit back
and say you know what, I realized that this is
Car's game too. She has to play her own game.
You know. It's kind of like there are some people
who play the game and they expect you to play

(24:28):
it the way that they want you to play it,
and if you don't play it the way they want
you to play it, then there's a wrath that comes down, right,
And we've seen this and this is actually most more
of the most more successful challengers kind of play the
game like this, right, I don't. I think it's I
think it's kind of like cowardly. Just it doesn't sit

(24:50):
well with me when people play it like that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know, if you haven't, I want to, but you
are strong, Like I just got time in on this
for two seconds because I feel like I've done that
cam move twice, well twice to Jordan actually on Global
Champions I had and I did you and Jordan when
I cut a deal for Jordan to keep him safe
and then he didn't follow through and then it turned

(25:14):
into a big blow out fight between him and I,
and then he called.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Me a terrorist.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That was kind of the same thing, right, Yes, he.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Did, called you an emotional terror, Okay, and so what
I my good old party because in me doing that
was it in a sense manipulative.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, but I looked at it as like protecting both
of our teams, right. But but what I see now
from the other side is true, you cannot and you
shouldn't expect somebody to play your game even if you.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Have their back, like I've gotten.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I've done that cam move before and it has backfired
on me as well. So I feel like I see
it from both sides completely because I've been there from
both where you want to have your friend have your back,
but at the same time, you have to realize you
are not your friend and not everybody who's in your.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Alliance is not your pawn. You can't make everybody do
what you want them to do, you know.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
But Kara and I, Kara and I had a very
nice friendship. Forming I was very supportive of her. I
thought she was you know, she didn't rub me any
wrong way. I loved that she was so strong and
doing so well. Again, I'm a woman's woman, Like I'm
excited by women doing well in the game, Okay, I was.

(26:24):
I am hoping that a woman wins at the end.
So that's something that I in the back of my
head was like, I'm not playing the game of get
the strong women out, because guess what, that's an old
played out move. I've's every challenge I've ever done, it's like,
get this.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
They don't do that anymore. You know, they don't do
it anymore. They don't, right, They literally throw weaker people
in in this. It's not weaker. Sorry, let's not put
that word out there, because Tory got fucking roasted for that.
Oh my god, they like threw her to the wolves,
bud on the steak, burned her, stoned her. I'm saying
that people that they think that aren't we used to

(27:00):
It makes more sense to not have the strongest people
in the end. I get that part because you want
to win. I mean, I'd hate to lose to somebody
I thought was not as strong as I was. But
I want to be with people I respect so that
I can sleep at night knowing I want to lose
to them. I want or lost to them. That's the
biggest issue for me. You do want your ride at
the end to be a little bit easier because to

(27:21):
be honest, I don't want to go ahead to head
with you in certain things.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Listen, this is all I'm saying. I was playing my game. Okay,
I was very appreciative that Kara did did not say
my name. That was extremely monumental for me. I said, Wow,
that is showing her really having her own mind and
really playing her own game, and I respect that. I
think that's a very you know, noble thing to do

(27:44):
for yourself in the in your game. Would I turn
around and then steal her star? Absolutely not? Now, So don't.
I don't think that that was me. What I'm trying
to say is that was in no way or shape
or for me playing a weak game. In fact, me
transfer the star from Tina to Veronica is absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Tina didn't get the ever, he did.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Absolutely nothing for it, and to be honest, it was
let's be honest here, there is a sense of like
almost like royalty when it comes to Veronica in the game,
and she deserves that star. Let her have true you know,
like she is queen, she is mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
But it also doesn't really ruffle any feathers, Like it
doesn't make anything like why wouldn't you give your friends
ruff though? Right, I'm saying, but why wouldn't you give
your friends a star?

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean I get I get that part. I'm just
trying to put it like that deliberation in a different way,
Like if it were Veronica and Veronica said to someone
that's her friend, it's like, hey, why don't we do this?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
And you're like, nah, listen, here's a few things. I'm one.
I was actually thankful that they put me against Ayana
because the other two options were Tina or Veronica.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
That was also in the back of my head. I
was like, listen, I'm okay with this because I really
don't want to go against a friend this early on.
You know. Two, there's a sense of and I'm sure
we can all speak on this, there's a sense of
luck that plays into this game. Okay, there's a little
bit of luck, a lot of heart. My exit with

(29:18):
the trucks, I could belay all day. You give me
ropes to untangle with only myself on I would have
been one of the first done.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
But I had I could belay all day.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I could I know, I rock climb for fun on
the weekends, boom, but I could belay all day a
T shirt. But you know that didn't go in my favor, right,
And then just so happens TJ wants to throw a
curveball and make it a girl's day. So this was
just the perfect storm, you know. It was really the

(29:52):
perfect storm that kind of brood itself.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
All Right, we have to take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
We'll be right back after this.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Okay, let's get back to the show.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Now, let's get into a little BTS.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
BTS is, during my elimination with Ayana, my shoulder comes
out of place.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I saw you hold it.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Pretty much pretty much between us, which you know, I'm
sure I'll get into more in terms of, you know,
talking about it more. But my shoulder completely comes out
of place backwards. So when I hit the ball, it
pops out and then I literally as I'm pushing the ball,
have to pop it back into place. So I was

(30:39):
also pretty proud of myself that I still want that
because I'm like, girl, your shoulder popped out, and then
you did that.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I mean, you also were carrying twins for ten months,
so like I can imagine one that.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Was the first initial initial contact on the ball. It happened.
Now side note, I popped it back in right, but
I couldn't really physically compete at that point to the
one hundred percent ability I would have wanted. I was okay,
it was back in place. I could, you know, move

(31:14):
but not knowing me coming up. And let me tell
you that hanging from the trucks didn't help me out
because no, that harness was around and pushing, the pushing.
Everybody was pushing each other and I had to like
move my shoulder and then it was like popped out again,
and then I'd to pop about say I hate it.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's the worst pain in the hole I've ever felt.
It's the worst pain I've ever felt.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know, listen. I was just so nervous that they
were going to give me like a full wrestle against Kara,
and I was gonna be like, guys, I don't know
how actually physically do this one. But anyway, I'm fine now,
you know. It took. I was in physical therapy. I
had to and you know, these this may seem like, okay, fine,
you popped your shoulder out, but I do fitness for

(31:56):
a liking. So this was extremely stress fool for me
because not until I had the MRI did I know
if I was even going to potentially need surgery. I
remember thinking to myself, if I need surgery, this is
a big deal in my life.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
She'd no, you literally said to me on the phone.
She's like, niece, I gotta tell you what happened. She
was like, by the MRI, they say I might need surgery.
I'm like, well, you should definitely go to PT and
she's like, I'm not getting surgery. I don't fucking care
what they say.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, but you know what I did. I went, I
followed all the steps. I went to the guy who
looked at memor and he said, listen, this is not surgical.
I said, hallelujah. And from that point on, I see
your ass off and yeah, and I'm fine now, I mean,
and you know, but that's a side note.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Which is which shoulder?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm just kidding, no, but was it?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Was it? Your?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Okay? Well, I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I don't want to get too far into your elimination
yet because obviously there's still like a whole lot of
challenge that we got to get here.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
But like my throwing arm did people it was your
throwing arm, wasn't? It wasn't, thank god?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And then but y'all can't throw for shit, so I can't.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
If I'm down there, I'm still there.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm like what how many animals did they kill on
the back?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
I mean the problem with that elimination was that we
were so nervous to hit the other person. Yeah, weapon,
that's something that we don't really like it does. Maybe
it doesn't come across. I mean, you get it a
little bit because car hits mine and that's a pretty
big deal that I get the first point off of her.
But you were so nervous not to hit the wrong

(33:30):
target and give your and at that point when it's
tubers two, who wants to lose potentially hitting yourself? Right,
So that's when the pressure was really hard hard, And
like my last target was the top corner. So that's
why it kind of shows me throw it over the

(33:51):
whole thing two times because I was so nervous not
to hit anything I shouldn't and then I also had
like a top corner target. Anyway, very it was quite
you know, they make it look actually very uh intense
watching it, but it was quite the like funny elimination.

(34:12):
Basically people were people were like sitting down taking breaks.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, well you can see you could see people laughing
in between like the throws. I think there was a
sense of comic relief. Especially building up to it, because
there was so much tension after you guys had found
out you were going against each other, Like, you know,
obviously Tina was somebody that ended up saying your name
as well as you know, Brandon said Carr's name. Like,

(34:36):
there was just a lot of tension across the board
of who whose name got said? So, like, what was
it like the moment you found out that you guys
were going against each other? What was your mindset like?
And then how did you think Kara was going to
perform knowing that she was so fired up?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Listen, I'm gonna be honest, and I have to be
like completely honest here on this podcast. I had a
feeling that Cara was meant to stay, like she was
meant to see that vengeance, like see where it could go.
You know, I was happy. I didn't even give a shit.
I didn't care that people like, you know, Listen, I
was like, Okay, I'm a threat. I get it. I did.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I love the way you handle that's I'm a threat.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, I'm like, you know, like I get it. You know,
I would you know, do I The only thing that
bothered me? Do I expect anything from Jay Do? I
expect anything from Jasmine. Do I expect anything from Brandon?
Absolutely not. Avery didn't say my name. That was nice,
but it's like, and she made a note to tell
me that, you know, she was like, I wouldn't say

(35:36):
your name, you know. The only thing that bothered me
was that Tina kind of, just because she wanted to
go with the group, said my name. And I'm like, Tina,
even if this is just the way I work, even
if there were twenty votes for you and two for
someone else, I would say that other person, of course,

(35:58):
because I just would not say your name, you know,
Like that's the way I work. And so for me,
the fact that she just kind of said my name
because the majority had already been decided, And then I
also just thought to myself, well it wasn't the most strategic.
Maybe you shouldn't have voted last, but again it's not.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
It was so Tina though I'm going last, Like she
never wants to tell you shit. That's sneaky.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, But now watching it back, like seeing that this
plan was pretty much all calculated anyway, Like Brandon was
going to vote, Jazz was going to vote the way
she was going to vote, and it didn't necessarily matter.
It probably wouldn't mattered if Tina would have gone first
or last. Also knowing that, like there was that moment
just to play Devil's advocate, you know where you do
take Tina's star from her obviously like it was a
joke and like, but do you think that there was

(36:45):
like just looking at it all now from an outside
perspective seeing it, Yeah, do you think that it was
Do you understand why she did it?

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Do I?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
I mean, am I upset with Tina? Absolutely not. I
was the friends absolutely, Like I don't I know that
she would never, when push comes to shove, if it mattered,
ever say my name, and that's what mattered. I mean,
I'm not gonna let you know, the chatter of challengers
get in my head about who my friends are. Totally,

(37:17):
you know, she would never do that if it actually.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Mattered, right, but exactly, But.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Did I think that it kind of made her look
a little kind of suspect? Yeah? I do, because even
Avery said to me, like, I can't believe that, you know,
Tina said your name, And I was like, yeah, like
I can't believe that either.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, but we know Tina was never really a strategic player.
So we can also chalk it up to the fact
that Tina wasn't really thinking.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Not Tina may not be known as a strategic player,
but let's not forget that Tina made it further than
I believe both of us on Battle of the Sexist too,
she was like one of the last I think she was.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know, I didn't have a lot of friends. It
was like a popularity. I voted your ass in.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
But we've exactly we've talked about that too, and that
one about her did that when I lost by one
vote and this one you did not get an elimination.
You just had to get your airplane home.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Well, it made me feel a little bit better.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I know, we all know why. We won't get into it.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, it's fine, We're okay now, though everything is fine now,
everyone makes mistakes when you're twenty four.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I'll say about the challenge for me and I have
to be honest. Okay, coming back to it with such
a full life made it fun. It didn't make it so. Yes,
it's a serious game. Yes there's a lot of money. Yes,
it's you know, a lot of emotions, and it's intense,
and it's all those amazing things and all those crazy things.

(38:51):
But I was, you know, like Cam says, if you
go home early, she goes home to her kid. If
she stays, she stays till the end. It's like there's
a sense of okay, well, either way it goes, I'm
going to be okay exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I think the challenge isn't your end all be all,
or you would have been on the line, Like you
don't need it to one tell you about yourself or
to like provide your income. I mean, yeah, of course
it's nice to have the chance to win money, but
you do have a very rich life at home, Like
you have all of these things that make your life
so full. So it's like you have four reasons and

(39:26):
that's just people, you know, living in your home. That's
not even your business.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's nice when like your your home life is and
your and your love life and your family life is
separated from the challenge.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Like Ory has a.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Problem with that. I mean she's like, are you on
the challenge? Do you want to do this for a
little bit? Do you want to make it public public?

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Would you like to shack up for a few months,
and would you like to do something right after the
challenge and then help myself.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
He's a butterfly lover.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
It's like walking into like a room of desserts. I'm like,
I'll put you in my body.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Okay, I can't hate on you, Tori. If you went
back about fifteen to twenty years, I was pretty much
the same.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, it's just the time of my life. But you
know what I do feel for just to transition the
combos for.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I feel for Laurel and Nicole because I know what
it's like to be in there with your ex when
like it doesn't feel like there's been like actual closure,
and like now these two are kind of like revving
it back up again. What was it like being in
there seeing that, Rachel, were you there for that or like, oh.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, I was actually really close, really really close with Nicole,
like we were good friends, and she was really upset
she felt I think she felt the pressure, you know,
the peer pressure to vote for me, and she felt
bad about it. After, like she came up to me
and she was like, you know, I really feel bad
about it. I don't want to do that again. And

(40:56):
I was like, okay, no problem. But you know, in
terms of all of us hanging out. There was definitely
a sense of just friendship and comfort in you know,
everyone kind of hanging out. I was surprised by Laurel.
She was much more warm in person than I thought.

(41:17):
She comes off on sometimes and I think you can
see it actually a little bit on this All Stars
more so than past seasons. She's much lighter, much warmer,
you know, and I think that's beautiful. I think it's
nice to see. In terms of Nicole and her, you know,
it was just like a thirty minute to thirty minute basis.
They'd literally come into the room and be like I'm done,

(41:39):
like I'm not dealing with this more. And then i'd
like walk out of the room to go downstairs and
they'd be like in the corner making out, and I'm like,
but like that was the way it was, right. You'd like,
you get a story, you'd get like one story in
one ear, and then you'd notice it was totally different
when they were together.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
It's tough, well it is tough, but I think because
their relationship is still like the breakup was so new,
like it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Like let's not talk about it now because.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Oh no, it's a mess now. That's done. They ever
go back together, I'll put them move on island somewhere
far away. But it is that thing where I think
you do share these moments outside and inside of the
show that like bonds you guys in such a different way.
It's very different than meeting somebody organically in real life.
Like it's just it's just very different. But it it's

(42:33):
just hard to watch, you know, the ups and downs
from minute to minute of how that dynamic changes because
you're stuck there and you're like, I love this person,
but you're also like I can't fucking stand this person.
And it's very also very hard to solve problems when
you're in a challenge house so many other things going on.
It's like, how do I mend this?

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well, That's why I always give Tories so much credit
because and I tell you all the time. I mean,
I tell her this all the time. I'm like, not
only did you make it through probably one of the
most emotional things you can go with challenge, but you
beat two of the strongest men to ever do the
challenge in a final And I say it to you, all,

(43:17):
what's the one rider dies?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh? Yes, you know, I was like, who is Oh,
I forgot Johnny.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Was the strong You're one of the strongest too, to
ever do the game. Like what hr what Tori was
able to pull off on Rider Dies. I always say
is with Devon, with with Devon, with Devon, absolutely and
you need that support. But it was But I'm talking
about you just in an emotional level, Like to go
through that and then still be able to keep your

(43:43):
head in the game enough to win is a lot.
So let's see. Let's see if Laurel and Nicole can
keep their head in the game. You know, I think
that when you have that kind of emotional turmoil going
on in the house, it's it extremely hard to stay
focused on the game.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I think being intimate, though, definitely makes it a thousand
times worse. I think Tory, that's where you had like
a fucking you know, foot, and I had you there.
I was in your bed a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
I never had to question his loyalty because.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Oh yeah, I would have killed his fucking yeah. Listen,
I talked to him. I was like, Tory comes first, Bro,
I know you're my partner, but like, yeah, my best
friends comes before, like her her well being is important
to me. Yeah, And I'm not gonna tell like I
just didn't want to be involved. I'm like, I'm too
old for this ship and then just go to Tory
and hold her in bed and like talk about whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, And I think, like, yeah, I'm thankful for that season.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I obviously, like we can speak on how difficult that was,
but even watching it, like you said, with Laurel and Nicole,
it's got to be difficult, but I agree with you,
Laurel definitely comes off with this like more like light energy,
and like after spending more recent time with Laurel, I'm
team Laurel all fucking day.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Like I'm a I'm a huge Laurel fan, so me too.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Shout out to her, and you know, I'm I'm I'm
rooting for her in this game, especially now that you're
not there anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Rachel, you were obviously my number one to root for.
But let's get into this elimination.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I really didn't love it.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I mean, if Toy and I do another season, we're
gonna have to go to the local dart or ax
throwing facility and start to practice.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Please do it.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I mean I'll have to come. I mean I've been
very lucky, like I'm kind of a dark shark. I
don't know, oh, dart shark. Yeah, I am like I'm
a pool shark and a poker shark. Yeah, somehow I'm
good at these things. But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
We're going to put that to the test, and you see, we're.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Gonna no, I actually don't. If you see it down
there and I have to go, don't put me in.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
How long was this elimination in total?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Because they had to rewrap the stars. They had to
rewrap the stars, right, we do all that, but I
will say there was strategy to it, which now you know,
whenever you do an elimination, or you do any challenge,
you always look at it with like twenty twenty from
after having done it, like, of course, I grabbed all
of my big stars first and threw them at that

(46:02):
small one at the bottom until I finally hit it,
and took me a while. But when I had to
hit the top, the top corner one, all I had
left with the small stars, which are like so hard
to control. So having looked at it, you know, in retrospect,
I should have used the smaller stars for the closer
target and saved my bigger stars for the bigger for

(46:23):
the further away or harder target. So there was some
strategy to it. But I do think this game came
down to a little bit of luck. And you know,
had you of had you have had to put money
on it, I think most people would have put money
on me winning that after seeing our first throw. I
don't think anyone up in the you know, up in
the bleachers was watching it thinking after we first threw

(46:44):
our first star, this is looking good for Kara. But
ended up you know, like I said, I truly believe,
and I do truly believe that these games are somehow
written in the stars. Of course, they are meant to be,
though the way some some the way they work out,
it's like you couldn't have written it better and it
was just meant to be. And unfortunately, in this situation,

(47:07):
I don't think I was meant to stay more than Kara.
I think she had more of a vengeance to get
back in that house and stir up shit. And I'm
okay with saying that. You know, yeah, but and I
was injured, right, I.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Was gonna say, could you imagine if your should just
kept falling out and falling out all of like the
tendons and ligaments and shit would have been like you
would have had a good surgery. So it all works
out the way it's supposed to. Said at last podcast,
it's you dealt the deck of cards. The game is
already written, and we stay or go dependent on whatever.

(47:42):
You know, like we make the moves we make, we
say the things we say, we're friends with who we're
friends with, we vote. However, I just it's already written.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Did you ever at any point in time, obviously you
had a really good first throw and then like you
had some good throws in there, did you ever feel
like you were getting the hang of it or do
did you feel like when you were in there, did you'd,
like you said, going back to that energy, feeling like
you were just not meant to be there anymore?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
I think that, you know, I think I knew I
was supposed to win. I think that that was probably
one where I should have beat someone like Carl, which
would have been obviously monumental. But I think in the
back of my head, like I said, I was like, well,
what does tomorrow bring? Will I be able to do
tomorrow's challenge? I'm not really that sure that I can

(48:28):
even swim right now, Like I, you know, like my arm,
like that was not the most comfortable thing to do,
my shoulder, it would have popped out. I was back
in place, and I was in you know, I had
a medic look at me. They one hundred percent took
care of me completely in terms of production. But I
didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to go
home on an injury. And I think in the back

(48:50):
of my head that played a little bit of a
role for me. If I'm you know, being completely honest.
It's you know, when even the smallest thing, when something
is just off in your body, it affects your mind
so much so.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
It lives there.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's living underneath the surface of every every conscious present
action going that.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So I hear that.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Yeah, So I think that for me, like I said,
it worked out the way it was supposed to. I
had two stars within you know, three challenges. I felt
really good about that. Doing a third one would have
just made everybody upset. You know, I just would have
or just write the check for me at this point,

(49:32):
so I said, you know what, let me make this
game a little more interesting and let you guys fight
for the stars.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Now that's a thoughtful of you, you know, let Jasmine
get one.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
You know, it's really crazy to have like looking looking
at my screen right now and seeing the three of
us and how differently we would play like you would go.
I would probably stay if my limb was hanging off
my body. Tory would fucking probably stay two. We're crazy
like that. I don't know. It's just interesting because we
we I feel like we would play similar games. But

(50:04):
when it comes to like our own personal safety, I
think you might care a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Well. I have to care.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
You have to care, right, of course.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I mean when I put out Anissa's Fitness, it's gonna
be different. But like for now, exactly, if you do
a Nissa's Fitness, you're not gonna want to tear your knee. Yeah, no,
it's not. I didn't want to in the first place.
If they didn't put one hundred balls in a fucking
bus going nine lauds, never the fuck again, that ship
was So that's you know.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
That's my point. But you know, listen, like I said,
this season was extremely special for me for so many
different reasons, and I think that, you know, obviously being
there with Ronica and Tina was really special. Regardless of
how it kind of all trickled down. And you know,
like I said, I was really thankful that, even though
I had to go in twice, I was thankful that

(50:58):
somehow the chips in the fall where it was like
me versus Veronica. Yeah, yeah, which really it could have happened.
I mean, if I were them, I would have done that,
Like I would have said, break it up, you know,
and just that would have been more important to me
than getting rid of Ayana, you know. But right, but

(51:18):
they they, you know, Cam really led the charge and
was like, this is what I want. And like I said,
when you're dealing with someone like a Cam in the house,
it's extremely vulnerable to go against it.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, for sure, she's a title wave.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yeah, and you you know I could sense. You know,
I even give Ryan a lot of credit because granted
I would never expect him to vote for me, but
he was hysterical. He was so like in my corner,
one hundred percent. He was like, I've known Rachel for
twenty years, Like I will never vote for her. You know, Ace,
someone who I hadn't seen in so long, you know,

(51:56):
he was.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Ace always does the right thing, though he doesn't care
he's very like I'll go against the grain. He doesn't
care at all.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
And to be honest, to be quite honest with you,
this season, I had the numbers to make it to
the end. Like, really, if you look, it just so
happened that that middle group, that was the smallest middle
group we ever had five people, and it just so
happened that three out of those five are not people
that are my numbers. But if you look at the

(52:24):
rest of the cast, I had Brad in my corner,
I had Ace in my corner, I had Kara in
my corner. At this point, I probably even had Laurel
because we were all kind of really getting along at
this point. You know, I really did have a lot
of momentum. But like I said, it, just this game
is especially I like it for that reason. I feel

(52:45):
that this All Stars is unpredictable, completely unpredictable. You can't
you can't know if you're going to be in the
middle group, the top group, the bottom group. You just
never know what's going to happen. And you know, one
of the things that I think watching thirty nine right
now is I'm just so annoyed with like just the
number game. I'm like like it's just just like okay,

(53:06):
well then you're gonna win the money because like, oh,
what you came with ten friends? Okay? Great? Like you know,
I like the unpredictability of the game. I hope that
they bring more things like this back into the challenge
because I think it makes it a bit more even,
or makes it so me will go home, or it
makes it so that's someone you know, Whereas usually if

(53:29):
you come in with a ton of friends, i e.
You've done the last ten seasons, you're probably gonna be
okay for the first of the show, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, maybe it also may make it difficult starting sashit
gets a little weird, gets a little squirrely. So it
can go both ways. If you have too many friends,
at one point you just got to lock the door
on friends.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
But listen, I just I like having friends. I just
like the predictability.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Of course, I don't as a viewer, I don't want
to know, Oh, it's gonna happen. Yeah you know, and
I told you this ray over the phone, like it's
or did I talk to Tory about it? Either way, it's
all just morphing. The conversation is like you don't want
to see the same person win every single challenge, Like
it's cool if you deserve, like, oh, you kicked everybody's ass, fine,

(54:18):
but like it. You know, people don't want to see
the same people win not interesting, you know. They want
to vote for the under root for the underdog. They
want to root for the person that they saw kill
it ten years ago. But haven't seen ie you, Rachel.
I haven't seen you in forever, you know. I think
the only letdown is because people want to see you
just flex the whole season, you know, And that's like

(54:40):
the only upsetting thing is I know that you can
do most things that most people can't. You've been really
good at a lot of shifty things, and even as
your partner, like you scared me more than elimination, but
it you're just good at shifty shit. Laurel's good at
shifty shit. Certain Jordan's good at that kind of stuff,
like you wanna It's just interesting to see that. So

(55:04):
that's the only thing that I'm sad about. Like, of
course I want your shoulder to be all right, clearly,
I'm glad that it is, and I'm happy that you
get to go home and see your family, But fuck,
did I not want to see you win and shake
shit up and fucking yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Throw stars around that thing. I just be like stars, Stars, Star,
it's really neat. I really excited about that. Yeah, well listen,
you know, I, like I said, I never say never,
so you never know what's going to happen in the future.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Would you if you won, if you would have won,
who like, because you see that you didn't know Carr
gave her started Jasmine because you had already left. Yeah,
how did you feel about that? And if you were
in Car's position, who would you have given it to?

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I prob believe I probably would have given it to
someone like Flora, okay, as I would have wanted. I mean, granted,
if you look at the starholders at that point, then
it would have been Flora. But that's who I was thinking.
It was either going to be like a Flora Ah,

(56:10):
who I actually absolutely love, So you know, I also
just think it would be hilarious.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
I really honestly, it's so fun to play the game
now because it's just fun, right, So I'm like, okay,
but it probably would have boiled down to Flora or
Laurel like I would have done either I would have
went strong, like I would have went big, or I
would have went with someone who it's like, Okay, let
me give Flora a star and let her take it
to the final, because she could take it to the final,

(56:43):
or she'll now be in jeopardy to be called in.
Whereas at this point it doesn't look like Flora will
ever get called in, right because why unless the winner
group has some kind of control on the middle group.
But why would anyone and want to do that? Because
she's great, she gets along with everybody, and you're probably

(57:06):
gonna just possibly give a star away. I mean, she'd
be the first to say that and not putting down
her anyway. She would be the first to say, like,
I'm not going into a limit, like I'm not.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
You know, what do you think about like like, I mean,
just obviously Cam had different opinions about Kara giving her
star to Jasmine, and I think that it could go
You could look at it both ways, right, like, yes,
you could give it to a strong player, but then
Cars just experienced going up against a strong player in
elimination that also has a star, and I think she's like, Okay,

(57:40):
well I won that by the skin of my teeth.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Is that a phrase?

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
So yeah, I bear, I.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Think you're right. I think did I finally get a phrase?

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I think so?

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Okay, great.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So so Kara like barely won that against you, you know,
just because it could have gone either way.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
It was a chance elimination.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And then like now.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Give Laurel a star and then oh shit, like Laurel,
you're like another giant in the game. So I've almost
feel like Cara made the right move about giving the Jasmine. Also,
it makes it great for the plot because they're already
going after it. It's like right, and Jasmine is so spicy,
it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Like she is.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
She's just the tiniest little thing. She's like a juaa.
She's amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Like, I'm a fan of Jasmine. She's feisty.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But like, I think it's I think she made the
right move, and from from an entertainment perspective, I'm all
for it.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, do you think, like I'll tell you this much,
having known what I know about All Stars, this is
going to be one of the most entertaining seasons that
have happened. Yeah, Like, in terms of everything that goes down,
I mean, there is going to be fireworks on this show,

(58:52):
and I feel really, really, really proud to be a
part of it because that's the way I used to
feel when I did them, you know, when I was
being like the Infernos and the Gauntlets and the Battle
of Sexes and you know, all of those things, right,
you felt like you were a part of something bigger
than yourself, you know, And that's how I feel about
this season. I feel like the season is something that's

(59:13):
bigger than itself. It's going to be written down in
the history books in terms of revitalizing the franchise, you know,
really like giving it that energy it needed again and
now we'll kind of take it into the next season.
So you know, I think this is really the precursor
for forty. I think this will really take it into
the next season in terms of what will happen.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
You know, how are you saying there's a chance.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
I mean, I, like I said, I never say never,
but you know, listen, it's it's never fortake me. I
said to you, like I said to Victory and Besa,
I say this to you, guys, I give you so
much credit that you do this multiple times a year
or even once a year, because it's stressful. It's anxiety driven.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
It's like to see my best friend for.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
We I know, but especially but it is stressful. But
people separate you all the time. Yeah, but you know
what if they're not, it's a boring game. Keep me
fucking entertained. Also, don't throw me in I but Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
You know how it is. You used to call me
the exterminator because that I kind of like accepted my fate.
So I knew that. Twenty three, twenty four eliminations later, Like,
I'm still alive, My feelings aren't hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Like, you're so good at it. I mean, you're smart,
and you're also one of the stronger girls. I mean
in terms of just don't fuck with me. So people
cannot underestimate you, that's for sure, But.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I like when they do because that's fuel too, And
it's just I think that's what case is going too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
So I know I'm so over that. I'm so over
the challenge just making certain type of women strong women.
It's like, well, if you're athletic and you got muscles,
then you must be strong. Well no, that's I am.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
It's just underneath my cushion of love. Like I also
need to be snugly in the winter. So I'm just
trying to think of like all body shape, like all
of my body, you know. But I still you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
About you right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I thought this was a compliment about giving women.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Johnny, who's don't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
You know? Like you know, so I think that it's
you know whatever. I just think that everyone, nobody can
be underestimated in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
This boom of course, not, of course not. I hope
you do come back because that would be fun. And
you and I haven't done a show together in a
long time, and I feel a retirement coming on soon
for myself, so it would be nice to get us
all together for one last and if all three of
us were on together, well, no, I don't know if
anybody is ready for that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Like the sound of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
That, listen, That would be the only way I stay
sane on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Dude, It's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I'm like, really really fingers crossed that there's an opportunity
we get to experience those moments together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's been even though you weren't on this season for
the longest time, you made such a powerful impact. It
was so good to see you again on our screens.
The people have been begging for this moment and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Thou hast fed thy fandom and I dam and I
have left them hungry for more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
So I died. That's how I like to do it. Listen,
my most memorable season I went home probably around the
same time, which is this game is ugly, the inner
circle is ugly, and I'm out Like that was probably
one of my most memorable seasons. And I thought about
that actually after this one. I'm like, girl, you went
home like probably the same time, probably like like four

(01:02:43):
shows in and same thing with this one. I feel
like my time it was it was quality, not quantity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Hey, and it was quality for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
It was it was awesome to see you on there
and I can't wait to see you on there again,
hopefully in person next time. But for the people that
are going to mis see in your face, where can
they follow you on social media? Tell us about Rachel
Fitness and how they can support that or if they
want to join, and anything else you want to leave
the listeners with.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
So basically, I have an online fitness platform. So it's
great for people that are challenge fans because you can
be anywhere in the world and you can literally go
to Rachelfitness Dot com. You can pick a subscription, you
can have access to a thousands and thousands of workouts.
Every day, I put up a new workout. I have
treadmill runs. If you're someone who's familiar with barries, like,

(01:03:31):
I have treadmill runs up there. I have shorter workouts,
ten minute workouts, five minute workouts. Every day I do
do a new thirty minute workout. And I am gonna
say I am a master at what I do, and
I will put myself I will put myself up against
whoever the fuck. I know what I'm doing when it
comes to fitness, and what I mean by that is

(01:03:55):
that I make it fun, I make it engaging, and
it's doable but the hardest thing you're ever going to do.
So it's kind of got that nice balance to where
you're definitely going to get in shape, but you're also like, Okay,
I can do this, yeah, you know, And I love
what I do. It's really, truly, truly, truly my passion.

(01:04:17):
I wake up every morning, happy to wake up, go
work out at six thirty am, which if you're not
somebody who didn't like to do that, that probably would suck.
So Rachel at Rachel Underscore fitness is my Instagram. I
also put up kind of free free workouts every now
and then that people can just have access to to
kind of try it, and then if you love it,

(01:04:39):
you can literally buy a set of medium, buy a
set of heavyweights, and that's all you need. So yeah,
rachelfitness dot com and that is my bread and butter.
That's how that's how I took care of my three
kids and my life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I am constantly inspired by you and your fitness and
your your athletic abilities. So thank you for doing what
you do in showing up Rachel and being proof that
literally no matter who you are, where you come from,
and what you look like, how old you are, whatever,
you can literally be as strong as you want to be,
like nothing can hold you back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
You are such an insight agree, Listen, I'm stronger at
forty than I was at twenty five, and so you know,
I feel better at forty than I did when I
was heavily doing the challenges in my twenties. So you know,
I think that obviously, like you said, Tori, it's there's
a there's a huge future ahead of you, Tory, because

(01:05:33):
you just a young and you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Know she's just a little We're here to show you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
I'm here to show you, honey that don't worry you can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I know it'll be okay and you'll have great were
here you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
You have got another ten years in you, girl.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Oh probably longer than that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
I pissed. Hater's about to be pissed. Oh well, thank
you so much, Rachel. We fucking thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Ray.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
It's a pleasure to both miss you the show. Can't
wait to see you in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
That was an amazing interview with Rachel. I know she
lives around the corner from you. You see her at Barry's.
She's been a friend of mine for two decades. I
am sad to see her leave because I feel like
she had so much more to give. But I get it.
I get she gave up in the way they're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
She gave, she gave, she saw, she conquered, She really
did she She came.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
In and she was incredible, she happy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Was I just wanted to see more incredible stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yeah, and I fingers crossed that we get another Rachel returned,
because it like the fandom has been waiting for it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
We've gotten it, and we need more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
You know, we've just we've just gotten a taste of
it and we're ready for more. She is truly iconic.
She is the moment, She is the vision She is
my vision board for twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Eight and on just Rachel Ye Shepherd.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
No, she is incredible and like it was so amazing
talking to her and I can't wait to see what
else she brings to us in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Yeah, she is great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Well, so are you? Speaking of vision boards and people?
You have tour? You're online and I want to know
where else we can see you besides my vision board.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore Deal on
Instagram and you can click the link in my bio
for my link tree and get all of my other
social media pages.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
And Anissa, where can they follow you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
At someone Who's gonna fix my nail because my sheel
just came off, so send me coupons. No, really, find
me on Instagram at Anissa I Get Talk. You can
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