May 3, 2022 • 40 mins
B. Simone and Justina Valentine get their chance to turn the tables on Nile Evans, Executive Producer of Wild N’ Out (you were missed, Vee!). Nile recalls the first time he met our hosts during their auditions for Wild N’ Out, and shares why he swears by “love tough” while working. Then, Nile shares his own Wild N’ Out origin story, and why he trusts Nick Cannon no matter what.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Valence sin Be. What's up baby? You know? The queen
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your going? Didn't refreshed over there? Y'all. Y'all ca I
have on a robe, robe number one, and she had
on her a little under eye. What are those things?
(01:06):
You know when you wear a lot of makeup, they
like deep puff you and I will be. I had
what a week um by accident, I um, you know,
working on my movie and I come home one night
and sitting on the couch, it's a clear jar of
the watermelon candies and I love those. Those are like
my favorites. So you know, I'm I'm tired. I'm not
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looking where the pat came from. I just opened the jar. Yeah,
I start popping them in. I started chewing them. All
of a sudden, my man says, you know you're not
eating those? Oh my god, they were edible, edible, And
it wasn't incredible because I felt like a vegetable. Just
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a cloud of dread, a drape of dread came over me.
And when I tell you, he was tripping, I was
tripping my goals off the entire night, shaking, teeth chattering.
It was for I don't know about y'all out there,
but I hate edibles. At your boyfriend trying to help you, girl.
(02:11):
He tried lines to me, which I get why he
did it. He tried telling me, oh, it's just CBD.
You're bugging woke up in the morning read The first
thing he said is this is not CBD. It wash
all right. And he probably just trying to calm you down.
He was, because it was like the anxiety on top
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of knowing what I ate. But I was definitely tripping.
I got no sleep on a week where I already
wasn't getting sleep, so I was not happy. And then
you know, I went through oh yesterday on no sleep,
but I got through it. And you know, here we
are women a while and out podcast and that's what
we do, like we're resilient women. We get through it,
get do it, get up. And it's the movie. I've
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never done it, edible. I can't. I be gone regular weed.
I would do it. It's terrible, you would hate it,
like you just have no control over it. I wanted
to tell you what saw my v a boo oh yes,
what happened for me? So good? He came to Atlanta.
I stayed with him for two nights at his home
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house and Telly, we did not have sex, but did
you You showed him but it wasn't from he was coughing,
but it wasn't from COVID. I get it. Um is
he a good kisser? He is like kisser. Oh my god.
I just him so much. He's supposed to be coming
back next weekend and he's just you don't probally value
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in men um something that I really value in him
self control and discipline. A man to me a man
without discipline, and so it's just lost. Like if you
don't have any discipline in structure and like you know,
self control. It's like you're just frivolous with every kids,
to the job, to sex, to whatever mean money, you know.
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So I love that he is just so disciplined and
self control because I wanted to do it and he
was like, you said you were celibate, and you said
we were taking Yep, he was like, you said you
were celibate. We said we were taking this slow. So,
you know, like anytime we you know, as adults, we
both know as a girl and a guy, when you
rushed into ships sometimes it can be bad. So wait
(04:26):
to see. You know, we're still dating and seeing how
we like each other. We obviously like each other a lot,
but you know, just trying to get to know the
heart before we get to know. I'm so happy for you.
You're all smiley and excited. Well, it sounds like the
vibes are good. And speaking of good vibe, Justina, are
you excited about our guests today? You already know this
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is my favorite guest of the season, you know what
I mean? Like, I don't know if we have enough
time to run down all the credits, but like executive
producer Day one, Nick Cannon's right hand man, Mr. How
you play we're making cuts. Mr. Who wants these episodes?
Oh my god, what is it called? Navy seal? Whatever
(05:14):
you go through when you're going through that training, That's
how I feel. I was about to be in the military, right.
The one, the only is my second dad. I literally
call him dad. I'll be texting him my dad. It's like,
I'm like, I got scammed, Like help me, I need lawyer,
help me. Somebody trying to sue me. I need I
need help? Like what do you think about this? He's
like any time I call this man Texas man, I
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get an instant response no matter what it is. And
mind you, I do check on him, but nine of
the time is because I'm in a fucking bond. Like
I texted more than I text my real father about emergencies,
you know. But this has turned into my you know,
industry dad, and I just love him so much. Our
producer for a while and out you guys, Nile Evans
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is him literally, So it's crazy. It's crazy now like
to have you in the hot seat because it's like
you executive produced, while now you executive produced the podcast,
so you're always the one like giving us a rundown
on what we should be doing. But now it's like
today we get to pick your brain. So your brain
(06:21):
it's a very cool thing. Yeah, I love it. I
love I love having the opportunity to to be on
the other side of it for for a change. So
you know, this is how do you feel being interviewed
your celebrity today? Being interviewed. I'm always the one writing
interview questions or or you know, setting up the interviews,
but never on the other side of it, you know.
(06:43):
And so it's it's always a different feel when someone's
asking you stuff, and then you're vulnerable, so you go, oh, man,
I don't know what they're gonna ask me, and I
didn't prepare any prepare any questions for myself, so I
don't know what you guys are gonna ask and I
know what I put both of you through, right, So
now we know who you are obviously, But how did
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you start your career in TV? Like tell us the beginning,
how you met Nick? You know, well, the history, because
I don't even think these new kids like obviously we
we we it's a generation. I grew up watching Wild
and Out. But these younger kids that are you know, preteens,
are younger than us. They don't know the history. We
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want to hear, like when you were an intern ile,
Like what's up? Bring us back? Tell us how you
met Nick and how you started in TV in the
beginning of Wild and Out. Don't know, that's kind of
a three part question, but tell it's the beginning. So
I started off underneath my uncle who was His name
is Bentley Kyle Evans, and he created the Jamie Foxx Show.
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He was the executive producer at the end of Martin
and so he was shown and he ran. He ran
that show. He was the youngest black executive producer to
run two shows at the same time at the age
of seven. Yeah. Yeah, My aunt was She was a
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producer on The Parkers and a bunch of other shows.
So it was in our family. And I grew up
in l A, so you know, it was it was
around and so when I was twelve, my uncle took
me to see do the right thing and I was like, oh,
this is what I want to do. I want to
be Spike Lead. And so later on when he started
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working in the industry, I wouldn't be like you can.
I read the script for for the Martin Show and
I would read it, and I was like, this is
what I want to do. And so I was in
college and he said, and I couldn't go back to school.
I had a hardship. My dad didn't pay the tuition. So, uh,
you know, I was playing basketball. I wasn't playing basketball anymore,
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so he had to take care of the tuition. He
didn't take care of the tuition. So my uncle said,
I'm gonna give you a choice. I'm doing well, so
I could either pay for school or you could come
start working. He says, you gotta make a choice. Call
me back. Called me back within twenty four hours. And uh,
and I said, I need a tire from my car.
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I said, I'm gonna come back down, and I'm gonna
come down and start working. And he sent me a
couple of dollars for the from my tire. And I
was sleeping on this floor at at his house. And
I became a production assistant on the Jamie Fox Show.
So yeah, so, um, you know I'm now I'm now
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I'm in the Hollywood shuffle. Um no degree um, and
so uh, Will Smith comes to my uncle and says, yo, man,
I got this kid man who's dope, and he reminds
me of me, and I want to do a show
for him. You want to collab on the show. And
so I'm like, oh, snap, Will Smith coming you about?
(10:00):
You know, some some little kid. And so we went
to go to the company. We we we went to the
improv improv on on on in Melrow on Milorrows and
he says, uh with Will Smith. No, Will wasn't there
that day. That was so right, there wasn't. So uh.
(10:24):
So we go to the improv and we see this
young kid on stage killing and he's murdering. He's sixteen
years old and we meet him and uh, and my
uncle's like, yeah, let's do this project. And so, um,
you know, we started the writing process and I'm kind
of a fly on the wall and the whole thing.
But Nick's wasn't Nick Cannon. It was Nick and so
(10:49):
I forgot that part up. Yeah, so so it's a
young Nick Cannon and and so, uh, you know, we
started the writing problem, says and I'm kind of a
fly on the wall, but Nick is Nick is young.
I'm young. I'm twenty years old. Nick's six team about
to be seventeen or something like that. And so I'm like,
big brother to him because he's like, oh, a young
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voice who understands me, you know, and so we kind
of vibed on that and Nick, you know, Nick was like, man,
give me your number. And Nick was like a super
persistent kid, right, and so he'd be like he'd called me,
he be like, yeah, man, what are you doing. Let's
go to lunch and did it. I'd be like Nick
And then Nick, that's just who he was. And and
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he lived with Keenan at the time, Keenan Thompson, and
they had crazy I mean, this kid had Remember I remember,
I'll never forget my uncle had a range Rover and
this was like when range rovers wearing like a new
thing in LF and Nick was like, yeah, I'm getting
a range Rover and I was like yeah, okay, And
two days later he had a black range Rover and
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I was it was like that's right, fine, blow right
and this you know, and so um, you know, he
was really doing it. He started off doing warm up
over at Nickelodeon, and he was he was a budding guy.
And so my uncleland Will Smith ended up party ways
over there about the show. Um, they just had differences
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of opinion and but Nick and I stayed uh in contact,
so you know, I was I was working on other
pilots and stuff. And then there was a writers strike
and the industry kind of shut down, and so I
was working at an insurance company and I was working
there for about a year and one day Nick calls
me and says, Yo, man, I got to stand called
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drumline's about to drop and I just got a record deal.
He's like, man, what are you doing. Like, I'm working
at this insurance company. I'm doing little pilots here and
they're still working in the industry. He says, Yo, man,
why don't you come on the road with me? And
you know, kind of like you could be my assistant
slash security. Slash road managers say, you're a big, scary
(13:03):
looking dude. Yeah. He was like. He was like, I
just need somebody to come over something and just look
after me while I'm out. And he's like, I trust you.
And so I was like, man, I want to be
a writer, bro, I just I don't. I don't want
to be that. Ain't security. Yeah, I don't want to
do that. And so he was like he's like, look, man,
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we'll write stuff together while we're on the road. He says,
I promise you will end up doing something big. I
promise you that. So the next day, the job calls
me in and they're like, we're laying people off. And
so Nick calls me the next day and he's like, yo, Di,
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did my manager call you. I was like, I was like, no,
nobody called me. You know. Sometimes it's just Hollywood stuff. Oh, man,
don't want to do this thing, and then it never
really happened, and it never happens. So it's literally the
day I get laid off the next day and he's like, man,
manager didn't call you. I'm gonna put him on three way.
I can't get ahold of the manager. So I'm like,
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now I'm packing up my stuff leaving that night. Literally
that night the manager calls. He's like, yo, man, you
gotta flight to Denver tomorrow to meet Nick. You're gonna
be on the road, so pack a bag. And I
was gone for a month. Wow, I've never made like
I probably made twenty six thousand dollars that year, And
(14:31):
in that first month I ended up making forty grand
And I became a stylist. I did all these different
things for him everything. Yeah, and and then um. And
then I was on the road for a couple of
years and uh, and then you know, we ended up
writing a couple of movies together. We sold to Overbrook
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to Wills Company, and then you know, Nick was doing
a lot of TRL stuff and MTV was like, oh man,
we gotta do something with you and Nick and Nick.
The next day we went back to l A and
Nick said, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
do an improv comedy game show. We're gonna do Whose Life?
Whose line is it? Anyway? But black our version of it.
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And I was like, oh man, I thought we was
gonna do a sitcom. He was like, no, Like, this
is what we're gonna do with trust. And that was
when I learned you gotta trust Nick at all times.
What year did our drop? Two thousand? We did the
original pilot in two thousand and four. Wow. Yeah, and
I came off the road. Yeah. Yeah. My son the
(15:40):
first season we did the show, my son was born,
so I always know how old the show was. Son
of the same year, like my son at sixteen. Yeah,
So you know what that that story reminded me of
the Kanye West documentary. That's one. Yeah, I envisioned like
that ship is just crazy. Like y'all had a vision,
(16:01):
y'all had a plan, y'all were literally manifesting thirty years ago.
Is the biggest manifesto in the world, Nick is, I mean,
in the world. Nick told me he was gonna before
he had ever met Mariah Carey. He says, if I
he told me this verbatim, if I ever get in
a room with Mariah Carey, I'm going to marry her.
And I laughed, insane, You're like left. And then two
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years later, I'm the best man watching this man Mary
Mariah Carey. We used to exchange books on the road
all the time. We just do a lot of reading.
And so he gave me this book called Name It,
Claim It, and it's now right now, and it's all
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about manifesting. It's all about if you name it, you
can claim it. And Nick believes in this and every
time he says, when you say it, you will bring
it to fruition. Everything that man has said he wanted
to do, he did. I believe it. I believe everything
it happens. Everything, I'm manifested, my wife, I'm manifested all
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kinds of things in my life. I'm manifested my house.
Yeah literally, Yeah, that's just it. It's crazy, like twenty
years ago, you guys started this idea and it's still
going strong and honestly arguably bigger than it's ever been,
Bigger than it's it's ever been left came back. It's
like what insane? Insane? You know, my first time going
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to the Wild and outour, I didn't understand the capacity
of I don't think I understood the impact it has
on culture until I went to the tour. I didn't
understand it until I'm sitting in the Staples Center where
Kobe the house that Kobe made, and I see all
the way up to the top sold the Staples Center,
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and I'm sitting in the audience like a fan, like
I don't believe that I sing, I helped be a
part of this thing, and it was. It was from
the ground up, from from the ground up. And what's
crazy is like with Wilding Out, what's so different I
feel than like most other shows are just brands. It's
like our age range of fans is really from like
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four years old to like a hundred and four you're
great granny and like the kids, like the young young kids.
How do you how do you create a show that
goes through like so many generations generation? How do you
do that? Like, I can't even name another show that
has that impact on all the generations. Yeah, it's nuts
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that it it's you know, it's one of those shows
that is like, you know, to me, it's a it's
an urban version of SNL. You know, it's like our
hour Saturday Night Live. It's approving ground for people to
come on and be stars and showcase their talent and
you know, you know SNL they what they were there
thirty some years or something like that. Like, I feel
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like this is the same type of show that's a
legacy show that could keep going on and on and
on and on. Yeah. So since you've known Nick for
so long, what do you think it's the biggest lesson
you've not learned from Nick? Trust him? Trust him, even
if you don't believe it. You just gotta go. Like
I've learned, I go, all right, man, if that's what
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you want to do now, I will tell him. I'm
one of the only people that will tell him a
real opinion. I'll be like, no, you shouldn't do that,
but but I will really trust him. I will all
the time. I'll be like, Na, this is not what
we're doing. But if I if he believes in it,
I go, all right, I'll take the ride with you.
I will take thee There's always something there because because
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it's not about the money, it's because I know he
has a great vision and he's a visionary. That dude.
It's gonna he's gonna go out there and get it,
and he can see something and when he sees it, Alright, y'all,
it's getting good. We gotta take a break. We'll be
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back with the women while now podcast with our producer
now Evans. All right, we're back from our break and
it's your Girl j V with my baby be Simone
and we got now Evans in the building. I'm gonna
just say right now, this is one of my favorite
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episodes because we get to hear from the Boss, a
man himself who started the show with Nick Cannon like
twenty years ago. And it's been so cool rocking out
and hearing all the details of your life. Now you
raised us, and it's cool now we get to hear
about you. So before we get into the Juicy staff, I,
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me and Justina are gonna share our first memories of you,
and then I would love for you to share your
first memories of us. So my first memory, my first
memory of Nile was auditioning for a while and out,
um well, after the audition, my first memory was the workshops.
So my first year workshops, y'all, let me tell y'all something.
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Workshops were not um easy. It was like a boot camp.
It was very serious. It was very militant, and I
respect that to this day. But when you're in that moment,
your first season, it wasn't like it was my THURSD season,
my second season, my first chance at this ship. That
first season of workshops was very stressful for me. I cried,
(21:39):
I laughed, but Nile pushed me to my limit. And now,
looking back in hindsight, of course I respected. I value it.
It really made me, you know, the comedian I am today.
I think that workshop prepared me for stand up. But y'all,
I was scared of this dying gonna line like yo,
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like when I say sweating walking in there, like, don't
talk to me. I'm focused, I'm practicing. Nile was not, y'all. Now,
he's like a little you know, a little Teddy Bear
before he was like a greatly be right that first
My first memory of Nile is him being like very militant,
didn't take any bullshit, but it was because he was
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pulling the best out of you. And I truly believe
that is why that workshop that year, and wild and
Out in general helped me become the comedian I am today.
That workshop was very intimidating. I'm not going to you know,
the workshops are tough. It's it's one of those things
where it's approving around. It's it's we're trying to see
you're going to be able to stand up to the
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rigors of this show, and you know, and a couple
of you know, I think you had a couple of
goals at it, and it was yeah, yeah, and I'm
really um. You know, I love comedy, but I want
people to get it right. And most people don't or
have to, you know, they just they work on their
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stand up set and they're just naturally funny. But when
you have to be funny on a team, it's a
little different. And so I have to kind of coach
and kind of help you out and help you understand
the games and how the show works. And so, and
then you're dealing with a bunch of comedians and rappers
and everybody wants to be funny and you gotta be like,
(23:26):
let's listen, let me explain this game to you so
that you could play it the right way. So you
know it's it's tough, but you know you made it
through and you you are. It really is like the
workshops really are a war zone. And like even to
this day, there are certain vets conceded who like literally
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will do anything, um and everything to avoid a workshop
because yeah, that really is a place where Now I
was like, I don't care how many seasons you've been on.
I don't care. How do you care, I don't care
how good you are, Like you know, this workshop is
determining your episode. Um you know how many you get.
But for me, when I first met now, I'll never
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forget it was when I auditioned. It was Nile and
Shelby and it was just me and them in the room,
and yeah, they had me do like a certain number
of games, like they had me do like um, let
me holla um. And then now I was like, okay,
well I know you could you know freestyle. We saw
the video so I want you to freestyle right now
(24:28):
about so he was not, yeah, something weird something, So
he said that. I was like, okay, So I came,
I sang a hook, made a hook, and then I
made a whole song with a whole story, like whole storytelling.
I was on my nas ish and I just knew
you could from the second I met Now, Like I
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knew he was like the guy in charge, like he
just has like he's just a big dude with a
powerful voice. I'm like, okay, he's the one who's about
to make the decision if I'm gonna be on the show.
But I knew at my UM audition, I just knew
I smashed it. And then he was like, I don't
know if you remember this. Now you were like, okay, now,
I want you to do a wild style go against
Nick Cannon. I was like, and I asked you, I said,
(25:10):
Nick's gonna see this, right He said yeah, I said,
give me someone else, So he gave me Um. He
gave me Meek Mill. So I did a wild style
against Meek Mill. And you know, that was the very
first time I met now, and he definitely, like you said,
but he definitely has that that coach vibe. He's running
the place. He's very authority, authoritative and or have you
(25:31):
said the word authority out of love? It's out of love.
It's out of love because he truly, truly believes in you.
Yes he does. And I've always been on teams, so
I I love having a culture. I worked well having
a coach and someone given directions. So I've always loved
that about Nile. Don't get me wrong, he is scary
(25:51):
at times, but I love how he's that very strict,
stern like bring you in, gonna give you the tough love,
but but get you right. Tough love is the way
I kind of give everything, and it's all out of love.
It's the first it should be love tough because it's
always starting with love. But you know, a lot of
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times in the industry, people will tell you, oh yeah,
you're you're doing fine. Oh yeah, okay, no, that was great,
that was great, and they'll tell you that was great,
and then you go out on stage and then you
realize it wasn't great. And so anybody to go out
there and me not be honest with them and me
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say that didn't make me laugh. You know, you'll hear
in the room. If it makes people laugh, and it does,
let's try it again. And what you know a lot
of comedians never really have is a coach or anybody
to say that didn't work. They go on stage and
they find out if it worked or not, and hopefully
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they figure it out and go let me retool, rewrite
that joke it up. But you realize that a lot
of people stay in the same place because there's nobody
pushing them. And so I just always want to push you, guys,
to the fullest of your potential, because I know what
it is. If I'm on you, that means that I
see something inside of you that I know it's great,
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and I just have to I just got to help
pull it out of you. And I'm gonna tell it down.
I'm just gonna challenge you at every level. I'm gonna
be like, just oh, if you don't want to get money,
that's fine. You know I don't want to If you
don't want to be great, If you don't want to
get money, that's fine, you can have a seat. I'd
be like, I have you know what it is people
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are used to yes men, and you're like the furthest
thing from that so people are not always used to that.
It could be a bit abrasive. When you're used to
people just telling you you're great, then you get an
Evans telling you you're good, but you could be better.
Because at the end of the day, if you're in
front of Nile, you have something, you get some saying.
So if you're there, you have something. If you're there,
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you are great, you have talent, you have something. But
now it's like this ain't enough. It's twenty of y'all here,
we only need eight. But who want to say? And
if you don't create a competitive environment, then people just
think that I could just walk into comfortable, you know
what I mean, And I go, when you're a starter,
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when you come in every time and we know you're
gonna play all the time, then you can kind of
rest a little bit. But until then, yeah, you're fighting
for the spot. And so it just makes people step up.
And when I see people step up, and I've seen
both of you step up to the fullest of the capacities,
and I go, oh, look at that look with that
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little bit of okay, yeah you had to cry a
little bit, Yeah you had to be talked to in
a way that you didn't. You're not used to because
see you shot up here, you're a star. But in
that workshop, I go, I don't care about any of that,
all of what you're doing now, be like I don't
give a funk about your YouTube view. You're not baby.
(29:07):
I'd be like, oh my goodness, audition process for for
for for the phone, everybody on the phone and and
do something. But TV is a different thing. It's a
different beast. And even like the season now where like
you guys brought in like a lot of influencers. You know,
basically what you said was proven, like you can be
(29:28):
great when you have your phone and you could do
fifty takes, but you were like, can you be great
once in front of an audience not being able to
chop it up? How you like, can be great the
first take? And that's real. You could, you could, you
could shoot you know, you're when you're in the room
by yourself or with one of your friends and you
(29:48):
can do it over and over again. Yeah, it should
be great. It should be the funniest ever should be
you know, if you're putting it out, but if you are,
you know, if you're in a room with ten other
people who are just as talented as you, and you know,
you have to show that you're a cut above. You know,
you have something different. You are not running the mill.
(30:11):
And I think that's where people get caught up as
they go. I could just be average, and I go, well,
the stars usually stand out, you know, some people were
being average, you know, like you know when you see
a d C on the fly, I was like, oh,
that's that's Lebron James coming into the league. For I
(30:31):
saw Justina, I was like, oh man, what's some coaching.
I was like, because she's a rapper. It was she's
gonna be fine. And you know, Justina, Justina went through
it a few times and we used to what we
used to talk to you about all the time. Oh,
that I wouldn't shut the funk up. You just keep wrapping,
keep wrapping. Remember that one workshop where they twisted my
(30:55):
head to kill me and I was dead on the floor,
and that I just keep wrapping. They're like, may not.
That moment was when I knew you got I understand. Yeah,
I understood because I was like, you're wrapped because you
know how but I know, and I feel like that's
(31:17):
what you do now, Like with all of us, like
you're kind of your hone, our craft and what we're
good at and just show us like can you have it?
But you need to be polished, like you find us
a little like you know what I mean, a little
diamond and the rough and then you clean us up
and then you know, we just people that get it.
Take the ball. Yeah, we take the ball on with
(31:37):
it after you give us the playsure some people. Some
people need more. Yeah, we gotta take a break. Stay
tuned for more of the women. While our podcasts don't
go nowhere. We got more questions for now. We're back
(31:58):
about it. It's your girl. Just seen a balance on
here with my sister be Smelling And we have a
very special guest with us this week, the executive producer
boss Man The Wilding Out Dad not Levins. Okay, so
wa'ts your first memory my first memory of O I'll
go he wants to be first, be nice. So I
(32:23):
remember seeing b Simone and I remember I remember I
can't see how your hair was. Your hair was actually
down the first time I saw it, and I was like, oh,
she's she's cute. Um, she's kind of funny. Was this
in New York? Now? I think this was in New York,
(32:45):
and I was like, there's something there, and Nick was like,
there's really no you know what. Nick at first was
like I don't see it. He didn't believe. And you know,
Dolly was the one that was like, nah, there's really
something there. And I was like, all right, Polo. You know,
we didn't have a we didn't have a lot of
you know, it was hard to find a really funny
(33:05):
female at the time, and not that there aren't funny females,
but we weren't getting them, and so that that fit,
you know, and so it was like, you know, you
were buzzing a little bit online and it wasn't I remember,
because I remember you were. You were buzzing a little bit,
but you when you came back another season, we were
like when the be Simone tone came, it was that
(33:28):
was it. That was why, that was it? And so
I remember you had you. I think we we we
we gave you a few episodes and then I don't
know if we let did we let you go? And
then you came back and let me go? And then
you came back, and then when you came back, it
was you were different. You came back with and then
(33:53):
when I saw the stuff online, I said, because I
was like getting cut again, Like y'all got me said,
you said, you were like, I've done this too many times.
I'm not getting cut again. And I was like that
that was the energy that I wanted. That's the point.
That was at the point. That's the energy that I want.
And you were like, I've been here too many times.
(34:14):
I'm coming in and you smashed the workshop. You smashed
Who was that in Brooklyn? I was scared. Yeah, he
came in and you smashed the workshop, and I was
just like, oh, next level that Still Nick was still
like Nick was like Nick was like for a while,
(34:37):
he was he was he was on the fence for
a while. He was like, I don't know if I
see it. I like her. I don't see it though,
And then and then you just had that breakout season
and it was just like okay. And then sometimes it
takes a while, because you know, I'm the same way
with some of Nick's picks. I'll be like, oh, then't cool,
(34:58):
and they're like, okay, what you're saying. Once they get
on stage and deliver and have fun and you know, yeah,
and once you got it was just it was. It
was out of here. It was like oh and then
almost by that time, you were like I'm ready to leave.
She was like, she was like, she was like might
his worldwide? She's like, baby girl, use me or down,
(35:21):
I don't care. You know what it is, No, wilding
out is always family, Like you never get enough scenes
now you always want to come back always. But what
it is is I think, um, when I started doing
stand up, I fell in love with that ship. But
while didn't not prepared me for that, Yeah, it really did.
It prepared me for stand up comedy that is a
(35:43):
different fucking world. Like getting in front of thirty thou
people like, you're either going to hear a roaring wave
of laughs in an arena or you're gonna hear that
fucking cricket and be like what the fuck you know that?
And you get to prove yourself on stage and know
a lot of people, you know a lot of a
lot of comedians are like, oh, these influences, influencers come
(36:06):
in and then and then they start doing stand up
and it's like, well, if you've been on the wound
out stage and dealt with the either the booze or
the you ain't mother the buzz the mother, you know,
dealing with laughing at you because you had a bad joke.
Trust me, going on stage, It's gonna be easy after that, right,
(36:27):
You're fine? Fine, It just like sharpens your swords. Like
even like you know when I did the Five Things
of Death on Sway and I was the first check
to really spit of real freestyle. I just came off
a season a while now. I was like, you were
doing this two weeks straight. What you want to talk about?
I don't need nothing rain, Come on, give me. You're
(36:48):
just gonna free style. This is what I do. Like,
I just came off a season one, like I just
can't from like what you want to hear about. Remember
that first the first season that that we had. You
just see and I was just like and and that
first audition I can almost remember exactly what you had
on because you had your hair was back. Bun always
(37:12):
tells me to wear it. I love it, And I
remember I remember you came in and I was like, oh,
she's got it. We're fine, We're fine. I remember being like, no,
you're good. She she wrapped because I was like, I'm
a toast strewd election and then you killed it coast
(37:33):
shrewd and then you killed and I was like, okay,
you're good. And then we got to the workshop. I
was like, okay, you can wrap, I get it. And
then I was like, all you could wrapt, I get it.
You gotta get to a joke. And that was the
thing that I knew. I was like, you have this
amazing skill. If we just work on this getting to
a joke part, we're gonna be fine. And you know
(37:58):
something you did. I don't know if you remember of this,
So you gave me the toaster shoal right when it
was the audition, just you, me and Shelby. So then
the next audition we did was because my first audition
was single, I don't know how years was be but
the second audition was a group of us, like thirty. Yeah,
so Nick was at that one. So we did a
bunch of stuff and then you gave us a topic
(38:21):
and then you gave everyone like a minute to make
something up. So everyone's in their phones. So you went
around the room and when you came to me, you
gave me toaster shrewdle again. And I didn't want it
because I wanted some new and I didn't even remember
I said. I was like, oh, I was like, I
think you might have gave you that my first one.
So you looked at me, You're like, oh, this bitch
is really about this action. So then you gave me
like a whole new topic. And then you know, that's
(38:43):
what I did was I was like, I saw what
you did with toaster shrewd and yeah, and so I
was like, in my mind, I was like, you got it. Yeah,
It's just it's here for you to lose, and I
don't want you to lose this so again, and then
I think she was like him, yeah, and then I
(39:06):
think you had did I give you something else? Who
gave me? You gave me a name brand. I think
it was like Gucci or Fendi or something and I
and of course I did a long free style about
and the rest of the room was like when I
was done, they started clapping like is it on iTunes?
Because you know, I went crazy and then us and
it was just like, oh just sold. Me and Nick
(39:27):
were already sold, and it was just like okay, well
there it is like. But then it came to wild
style and everyone was scared, so I let a few
people go then I went be someone. I did the
machine gun just across the whole line. On the other team,
nobody wanted that smoke. I was like, let me go,
and I remember Nick went down the line gave everyone dash,
(39:47):
but I was the only one. He sits unto. He's like,
where are you from? I was like Jersey. He was like, wow, Wow,
it was. It was a done deal. It's been so
dope getting to know the boy man now Evans even more.
But you know what, it's a lot more things that
we gotta get into. So we're gonna be back next
week with a part two. Make sure y'all tune in
(40:10):
to hear more about the executive producer of Wilding Out
and the women of Wilding Now podcast now Levins. We'll
see'll next week
Welcome to the women. While in our podcast, you got
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I have my beautiful rap freestylet killer co host Justina
(00:45):
Valence sin Be. What's up baby? You know? The queen
of Manifest Station. Okay, across your radio stations, this how's
your going? Didn't refreshed over there? Y'all. Y'all ca I
have on a robe, robe number one, and she had
on her a little under eye. What are those things?
(01:06):
You know when you wear a lot of makeup, they
like deep puff you and I will be. I had
what a week um by accident, I um, you know,
working on my movie and I come home one night
and sitting on the couch, it's a clear jar of
the watermelon candies and I love those. Those are like
my favorites. So you know, I'm I'm tired. I'm not
(01:29):
looking where the pat came from. I just opened the jar. Yeah,
I start popping them in. I started chewing them. All
of a sudden, my man says, you know you're not
eating those? Oh my god, they were edible, edible, And
it wasn't incredible because I felt like a vegetable. Just
(01:49):
a cloud of dread, a drape of dread came over me.
And when I tell you, he was tripping, I was
tripping my goals off the entire night, shaking, teeth chattering.
It was for I don't know about y'all out there,
but I hate edibles. At your boyfriend trying to help you, girl.
(02:11):
He tried lines to me, which I get why he
did it. He tried telling me, oh, it's just CBD.
You're bugging woke up in the morning read The first
thing he said is this is not CBD. It wash
all right. And he probably just trying to calm you down.
He was, because it was like the anxiety on top
(02:34):
of knowing what I ate. But I was definitely tripping.
I got no sleep on a week where I already
wasn't getting sleep, so I was not happy. And then
you know, I went through oh yesterday on no sleep,
but I got through it. And you know, here we
are women a while and out podcast and that's what
we do, like we're resilient women. We get through it,
get do it, get up. And it's the movie. I've
(02:55):
never done it, edible. I can't. I be gone regular weed.
I would do it. It's terrible, you would hate it,
like you just have no control over it. I wanted
to tell you what saw my v a boo oh yes,
what happened for me? So good? He came to Atlanta.
I stayed with him for two nights at his home
(03:18):
house and Telly, we did not have sex, but did
you You showed him but it wasn't from he was coughing,
but it wasn't from COVID. I get it. Um is
he a good kisser? He is like kisser. Oh my god.
I just him so much. He's supposed to be coming
back next weekend and he's just you don't probally value
(03:41):
in men um something that I really value in him
self control and discipline. A man to me a man
without discipline, and so it's just lost. Like if you
don't have any discipline in structure and like you know,
self control. It's like you're just frivolous with every kids,
to the job, to sex, to whatever mean money, you know.
(04:05):
So I love that he is just so disciplined and
self control because I wanted to do it and he
was like, you said you were celibate, and you said
we were taking Yep, he was like, you said you
were celibate. We said we were taking this slow. So,
you know, like anytime we you know, as adults, we
both know as a girl and a guy, when you
rushed into ships sometimes it can be bad. So wait
(04:26):
to see. You know, we're still dating and seeing how
we like each other. We obviously like each other a lot,
but you know, just trying to get to know the
heart before we get to know. I'm so happy for you.
You're all smiley and excited. Well, it sounds like the
vibes are good. And speaking of good vibe, Justina, are
you excited about our guests today? You already know this
(04:50):
is my favorite guest of the season, you know what
I mean? Like, I don't know if we have enough
time to run down all the credits, but like executive
producer Day one, Nick Cannon's right hand man, Mr. How
you play we're making cuts. Mr. Who wants these episodes?
Oh my god, what is it called? Navy seal? Whatever
(05:14):
you go through when you're going through that training, That's
how I feel. I was about to be in the military, right.
The one, the only is my second dad. I literally
call him dad. I'll be texting him my dad. It's like,
I'm like, I got scammed, Like help me, I need lawyer,
help me. Somebody trying to sue me. I need I
need help? Like what do you think about this? He's
like any time I call this man Texas man, I
(05:35):
get an instant response no matter what it is. And
mind you, I do check on him, but nine of
the time is because I'm in a fucking bond. Like
I texted more than I text my real father about emergencies,
you know. But this has turned into my you know,
industry dad, and I just love him so much. Our
producer for a while and out you guys, Nile Evans
(05:58):
is him literally, So it's crazy. It's crazy now like
to have you in the hot seat because it's like
you executive produced, while now you executive produced the podcast,
so you're always the one like giving us a rundown
on what we should be doing. But now it's like
today we get to pick your brain. So your brain
(06:21):
it's a very cool thing. Yeah, I love it. I
love I love having the opportunity to to be on
the other side of it for for a change. So
you know, this is how do you feel being interviewed
your celebrity today? Being interviewed. I'm always the one writing
interview questions or or you know, setting up the interviews,
but never on the other side of it, you know.
(06:43):
And so it's it's always a different feel when someone's
asking you stuff, and then you're vulnerable, so you go, oh, man,
I don't know what they're gonna ask me, and I
didn't prepare any prepare any questions for myself, so I
don't know what you guys are gonna ask and I
know what I put both of you through, right, So
now we know who you are obviously, But how did
(07:06):
you start your career in TV? Like tell us the beginning,
how you met Nick? You know, well, the history, because
I don't even think these new kids like obviously we
we we it's a generation. I grew up watching Wild
and Out. But these younger kids that are you know, preteens,
are younger than us. They don't know the history. We
(07:27):
want to hear, like when you were an intern ile,
Like what's up? Bring us back? Tell us how you
met Nick and how you started in TV in the
beginning of Wild and Out. Don't know, that's kind of
a three part question, but tell it's the beginning. So
I started off underneath my uncle who was His name
is Bentley Kyle Evans, and he created the Jamie Foxx Show.
(07:49):
He was the executive producer at the end of Martin
and so he was shown and he ran. He ran
that show. He was the youngest black executive producer to
run two shows at the same time at the age
of seven. Yeah. Yeah, My aunt was She was a
(08:10):
producer on The Parkers and a bunch of other shows.
So it was in our family. And I grew up
in l A, so you know, it was it was
around and so when I was twelve, my uncle took
me to see do the right thing and I was like, oh,
this is what I want to do. I want to
be Spike Lead. And so later on when he started
(08:30):
working in the industry, I wouldn't be like you can.
I read the script for for the Martin Show and
I would read it, and I was like, this is
what I want to do. And so I was in
college and he said, and I couldn't go back to school.
I had a hardship. My dad didn't pay the tuition. So, uh,
you know, I was playing basketball. I wasn't playing basketball anymore,
(08:53):
so he had to take care of the tuition. He
didn't take care of the tuition. So my uncle said,
I'm gonna give you a choice. I'm doing well, so
I could either pay for school or you could come
start working. He says, you gotta make a choice. Call
me back. Called me back within twenty four hours. And uh,
and I said, I need a tire from my car.
(09:14):
I said, I'm gonna come back down, and I'm gonna
come down and start working. And he sent me a
couple of dollars for the from my tire. And I
was sleeping on this floor at at his house. And
I became a production assistant on the Jamie Fox Show.
So yeah, so, um, you know I'm now I'm now
(09:38):
I'm in the Hollywood shuffle. Um no degree um, and
so uh, Will Smith comes to my uncle and says, yo, man,
I got this kid man who's dope, and he reminds
me of me, and I want to do a show
for him. You want to collab on the show. And
so I'm like, oh, snap, Will Smith coming you about?
(10:00):
You know, some some little kid. And so we went
to go to the company. We we we went to the
improv improv on on on in Melrow on Milorrows and
he says, uh with Will Smith. No, Will wasn't there
that day. That was so right, there wasn't. So uh.
(10:24):
So we go to the improv and we see this
young kid on stage killing and he's murdering. He's sixteen
years old and we meet him and uh, and my
uncle's like, yeah, let's do this project. And so, um,
you know, we started the writing process and I'm kind
of a fly on the wall and the whole thing.
But Nick's wasn't Nick Cannon. It was Nick and so
(10:49):
I forgot that part up. Yeah, so so it's a
young Nick Cannon and and so, uh, you know, we
started the writing problem, says and I'm kind of a
fly on the wall, but Nick is Nick is young.
I'm young. I'm twenty years old. Nick's six team about
to be seventeen or something like that. And so I'm like,
big brother to him because he's like, oh, a young
(11:11):
voice who understands me, you know, and so we kind
of vibed on that and Nick, you know, Nick was like, man,
give me your number. And Nick was like a super
persistent kid, right, and so he'd be like he'd called me,
he be like, yeah, man, what are you doing. Let's
go to lunch and did it. I'd be like Nick
And then Nick, that's just who he was. And and
(11:32):
he lived with Keenan at the time, Keenan Thompson, and
they had crazy I mean, this kid had Remember I remember,
I'll never forget my uncle had a range Rover and
this was like when range rovers wearing like a new
thing in LF and Nick was like, yeah, I'm getting
a range Rover and I was like yeah, okay, And
two days later he had a black range Rover and
(11:53):
I was it was like that's right, fine, blow right
and this you know, and so um, you know, he
was really doing it. He started off doing warm up
over at Nickelodeon, and he was he was a budding guy.
And so my uncleland Will Smith ended up party ways
over there about the show. Um, they just had differences
(12:16):
of opinion and but Nick and I stayed uh in contact,
so you know, I was I was working on other
pilots and stuff. And then there was a writers strike
and the industry kind of shut down, and so I
was working at an insurance company and I was working
there for about a year and one day Nick calls
me and says, Yo, man, I got to stand called
(12:38):
drumline's about to drop and I just got a record deal.
He's like, man, what are you doing. Like, I'm working
at this insurance company. I'm doing little pilots here and
they're still working in the industry. He says, Yo, man,
why don't you come on the road with me? And
you know, kind of like you could be my assistant
slash security. Slash road managers say, you're a big, scary
(13:03):
looking dude. Yeah. He was like. He was like, I
just need somebody to come over something and just look
after me while I'm out. And he's like, I trust you.
And so I was like, man, I want to be
a writer, bro, I just I don't. I don't want
to be that. Ain't security. Yeah, I don't want to
do that. And so he was like he's like, look, man,
(13:25):
we'll write stuff together while we're on the road. He says,
I promise you will end up doing something big. I
promise you that. So the next day, the job calls
me in and they're like, we're laying people off. And
so Nick calls me the next day and he's like, yo, Di,
(13:46):
did my manager call you. I was like, I was like, no,
nobody called me. You know. Sometimes it's just Hollywood stuff. Oh, man,
don't want to do this thing, and then it never
really happened, and it never happens. So it's literally the
day I get laid off the next day and he's like, man,
manager didn't call you. I'm gonna put him on three way.
I can't get ahold of the manager. So I'm like,
(14:09):
now I'm packing up my stuff leaving that night. Literally
that night the manager calls. He's like, yo, man, you
gotta flight to Denver tomorrow to meet Nick. You're gonna
be on the road, so pack a bag. And I
was gone for a month. Wow, I've never made like
I probably made twenty six thousand dollars that year, And
(14:31):
in that first month I ended up making forty grand
And I became a stylist. I did all these different
things for him everything. Yeah, and and then um. And
then I was on the road for a couple of
years and uh, and then you know, we ended up
writing a couple of movies together. We sold to Overbrook
(14:53):
to Wills Company, and then you know, Nick was doing
a lot of TRL stuff and MTV was like, oh man,
we gotta do something with you and Nick and Nick.
The next day we went back to l A and
Nick said, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
do an improv comedy game show. We're gonna do Whose Life?
Whose line is it? Anyway? But black our version of it.
(15:16):
And I was like, oh man, I thought we was
gonna do a sitcom. He was like, no, Like, this
is what we're gonna do with trust. And that was
when I learned you gotta trust Nick at all times.
What year did our drop? Two thousand? We did the
original pilot in two thousand and four. Wow. Yeah, and
I came off the road. Yeah. Yeah. My son the
(15:40):
first season we did the show, my son was born,
so I always know how old the show was. Son
of the same year, like my son at sixteen. Yeah,
So you know what that that story reminded me of
the Kanye West documentary. That's one. Yeah, I envisioned like
that ship is just crazy. Like y'all had a vision,
(16:01):
y'all had a plan, y'all were literally manifesting thirty years ago.
Is the biggest manifesto in the world, Nick is, I mean,
in the world. Nick told me he was gonna before
he had ever met Mariah Carey. He says, if I
he told me this verbatim, if I ever get in
a room with Mariah Carey, I'm going to marry her.
And I laughed, insane, You're like left. And then two
(16:28):
years later, I'm the best man watching this man Mary
Mariah Carey. We used to exchange books on the road
all the time. We just do a lot of reading.
And so he gave me this book called Name It,
Claim It, and it's now right now, and it's all
(16:54):
about manifesting. It's all about if you name it, you
can claim it. And Nick believes in this and every
time he says, when you say it, you will bring
it to fruition. Everything that man has said he wanted
to do, he did. I believe it. I believe everything
it happens. Everything, I'm manifested, my wife, I'm manifested all
(17:14):
kinds of things in my life. I'm manifested my house.
Yeah literally, Yeah, that's just it. It's crazy, like twenty
years ago, you guys started this idea and it's still
going strong and honestly arguably bigger than it's ever been,
Bigger than it's it's ever been left came back. It's
like what insane? Insane? You know, my first time going
(17:39):
to the Wild and outour, I didn't understand the capacity
of I don't think I understood the impact it has
on culture until I went to the tour. I didn't
understand it until I'm sitting in the Staples Center where
Kobe the house that Kobe made, and I see all
the way up to the top sold the Staples Center,
(18:01):
and I'm sitting in the audience like a fan, like
I don't believe that I sing, I helped be a
part of this thing, and it was. It was from
the ground up, from from the ground up. And what's
crazy is like with Wilding Out, what's so different I
feel than like most other shows are just brands. It's
like our age range of fans is really from like
(18:24):
four years old to like a hundred and four you're
great granny and like the kids, like the young young kids.
How do you how do you create a show that
goes through like so many generations generation? How do you
do that? Like, I can't even name another show that
has that impact on all the generations. Yeah, it's nuts
(18:47):
that it it's you know, it's one of those shows
that is like, you know, to me, it's a it's
an urban version of SNL. You know, it's like our
hour Saturday Night Live. It's approving ground for people to
come on and be stars and showcase their talent and
you know, you know SNL they what they were there
thirty some years or something like that. Like, I feel
(19:09):
like this is the same type of show that's a
legacy show that could keep going on and on and
on and on. Yeah. So since you've known Nick for
so long, what do you think it's the biggest lesson
you've not learned from Nick? Trust him? Trust him, even
if you don't believe it. You just gotta go. Like
I've learned, I go, all right, man, if that's what
(19:30):
you want to do now, I will tell him. I'm
one of the only people that will tell him a
real opinion. I'll be like, no, you shouldn't do that,
but but I will really trust him. I will all
the time. I'll be like, Na, this is not what
we're doing. But if I if he believes in it,
I go, all right, I'll take the ride with you.
I will take thee There's always something there because because
(19:51):
it's not about the money, it's because I know he
has a great vision and he's a visionary. That dude.
It's gonna he's gonna go out there and get it,
and he can see something and when he sees it, Alright, y'all,
it's getting good. We gotta take a break. We'll be
(20:12):
back with the women while now podcast with our producer
now Evans. All right, we're back from our break and
it's your Girl j V with my baby be Simone
and we got now Evans in the building. I'm gonna
just say right now, this is one of my favorite
(20:33):
episodes because we get to hear from the Boss, a
man himself who started the show with Nick Cannon like
twenty years ago. And it's been so cool rocking out
and hearing all the details of your life. Now you
raised us, and it's cool now we get to hear
about you. So before we get into the Juicy staff, I,
(20:54):
me and Justina are gonna share our first memories of you,
and then I would love for you to share your
first memories of us. So my first memory, my first
memory of Nile was auditioning for a while and out,
um well, after the audition, my first memory was the workshops.
So my first year workshops, y'all, let me tell y'all something.
(21:16):
Workshops were not um easy. It was like a boot camp.
It was very serious. It was very militant, and I
respect that to this day. But when you're in that moment,
your first season, it wasn't like it was my THURSD season,
my second season, my first chance at this ship. That
first season of workshops was very stressful for me. I cried,
(21:39):
I laughed, but Nile pushed me to my limit. And now,
looking back in hindsight, of course I respected. I value it.
It really made me, you know, the comedian I am today.
I think that workshop prepared me for stand up. But y'all,
I was scared of this dying gonna line like yo,
(22:00):
like when I say sweating walking in there, like, don't
talk to me. I'm focused, I'm practicing. Nile was not, y'all. Now,
he's like a little you know, a little Teddy Bear
before he was like a greatly be right that first
My first memory of Nile is him being like very militant,
didn't take any bullshit, but it was because he was
(22:20):
pulling the best out of you. And I truly believe
that is why that workshop that year, and wild and
Out in general helped me become the comedian I am today.
That workshop was very intimidating. I'm not going to you know,
the workshops are tough. It's it's one of those things
where it's approving around. It's it's we're trying to see
you're going to be able to stand up to the
(22:41):
rigors of this show, and you know, and a couple
of you know, I think you had a couple of
goals at it, and it was yeah, yeah, and I'm
really um. You know, I love comedy, but I want
people to get it right. And most people don't or
have to, you know, they just they work on their
(23:02):
stand up set and they're just naturally funny. But when
you have to be funny on a team, it's a
little different. And so I have to kind of coach
and kind of help you out and help you understand
the games and how the show works. And so, and
then you're dealing with a bunch of comedians and rappers
and everybody wants to be funny and you gotta be like,
(23:26):
let's listen, let me explain this game to you so
that you could play it the right way. So you
know it's it's tough, but you know you made it
through and you you are. It really is like the
workshops really are a war zone. And like even to
this day, there are certain vets conceded who like literally
(23:46):
will do anything, um and everything to avoid a workshop
because yeah, that really is a place where Now I
was like, I don't care how many seasons you've been on.
I don't care. How do you care, I don't care
how good you are, Like you know, this workshop is
determining your episode. Um you know how many you get.
But for me, when I first met now, I'll never
(24:07):
forget it was when I auditioned. It was Nile and
Shelby and it was just me and them in the room,
and yeah, they had me do like a certain number
of games, like they had me do like um, let
me holla um. And then now I was like, okay,
well I know you could you know freestyle. We saw
the video so I want you to freestyle right now
(24:28):
about so he was not, yeah, something weird something, So
he said that. I was like, okay, So I came,
I sang a hook, made a hook, and then I
made a whole song with a whole story, like whole storytelling.
I was on my nas ish and I just knew
you could from the second I met Now, Like I
(24:50):
knew he was like the guy in charge, like he
just has like he's just a big dude with a
powerful voice. I'm like, okay, he's the one who's about
to make the decision if I'm gonna be on the show.
But I knew at my UM audition, I just knew
I smashed it. And then he was like, I don't
know if you remember this. Now you were like, okay, now,
I want you to do a wild style go against
Nick Cannon. I was like, and I asked you, I said,
(25:10):
Nick's gonna see this, right He said yeah, I said,
give me someone else, So he gave me Um. He
gave me Meek Mill. So I did a wild style
against Meek Mill. And you know, that was the very
first time I met now, and he definitely, like you said,
but he definitely has that that coach vibe. He's running
the place. He's very authority, authoritative and or have you
(25:31):
said the word authority out of love? It's out of love.
It's out of love because he truly, truly believes in you.
Yes he does. And I've always been on teams, so
I I love having a culture. I worked well having
a coach and someone given directions. So I've always loved
that about Nile. Don't get me wrong, he is scary
(25:51):
at times, but I love how he's that very strict,
stern like bring you in, gonna give you the tough love,
but but get you right. Tough love is the way
I kind of give everything, and it's all out of love.
It's the first it should be love tough because it's
always starting with love. But you know, a lot of
(26:13):
times in the industry, people will tell you, oh yeah,
you're you're doing fine. Oh yeah, okay, no, that was great,
that was great, and they'll tell you that was great,
and then you go out on stage and then you
realize it wasn't great. And so anybody to go out
there and me not be honest with them and me
(26:34):
say that didn't make me laugh. You know, you'll hear
in the room. If it makes people laugh, and it does,
let's try it again. And what you know a lot
of comedians never really have is a coach or anybody
to say that didn't work. They go on stage and
they find out if it worked or not, and hopefully
(26:55):
they figure it out and go let me retool, rewrite
that joke it up. But you realize that a lot
of people stay in the same place because there's nobody
pushing them. And so I just always want to push you, guys,
to the fullest of your potential, because I know what
it is. If I'm on you, that means that I
see something inside of you that I know it's great,
(27:16):
and I just have to I just got to help
pull it out of you. And I'm gonna tell it down.
I'm just gonna challenge you at every level. I'm gonna
be like, just oh, if you don't want to get money,
that's fine. You know I don't want to If you
don't want to be great, If you don't want to
get money, that's fine, you can have a seat. I'd
be like, I have you know what it is people
(27:40):
are used to yes men, and you're like the furthest
thing from that so people are not always used to that.
It could be a bit abrasive. When you're used to
people just telling you you're great, then you get an
Evans telling you you're good, but you could be better.
Because at the end of the day, if you're in
front of Nile, you have something, you get some saying.
So if you're there, you have something. If you're there,
(28:02):
you are great, you have talent, you have something. But
now it's like this ain't enough. It's twenty of y'all here,
we only need eight. But who want to say? And
if you don't create a competitive environment, then people just
think that I could just walk into comfortable, you know
what I mean, And I go, when you're a starter,
(28:24):
when you come in every time and we know you're
gonna play all the time, then you can kind of
rest a little bit. But until then, yeah, you're fighting
for the spot. And so it just makes people step up.
And when I see people step up, and I've seen
both of you step up to the fullest of the capacities,
and I go, oh, look at that look with that
(28:44):
little bit of okay, yeah you had to cry a
little bit, Yeah you had to be talked to in
a way that you didn't. You're not used to because
see you shot up here, you're a star. But in
that workshop, I go, I don't care about any of that,
all of what you're doing now, be like I don't
give a funk about your YouTube view. You're not baby.
(29:07):
I'd be like, oh my goodness, audition process for for
for for the phone, everybody on the phone and and
do something. But TV is a different thing. It's a
different beast. And even like the season now where like
you guys brought in like a lot of influencers. You know,
basically what you said was proven, like you can be
(29:28):
great when you have your phone and you could do
fifty takes, but you were like, can you be great
once in front of an audience not being able to
chop it up? How you like, can be great the
first take? And that's real. You could, you could, you
could shoot you know, you're when you're in the room
by yourself or with one of your friends and you
(29:48):
can do it over and over again. Yeah, it should
be great. It should be the funniest ever should be
you know, if you're putting it out, but if you are,
you know, if you're in a room with ten other
people who are just as talented as you, and you know,
you have to show that you're a cut above. You know,
you have something different. You are not running the mill.
(30:11):
And I think that's where people get caught up as
they go. I could just be average, and I go, well,
the stars usually stand out, you know, some people were
being average, you know, like you know when you see
a d C on the fly, I was like, oh,
that's that's Lebron James coming into the league. For I
(30:31):
saw Justina, I was like, oh man, what's some coaching.
I was like, because she's a rapper. It was she's
gonna be fine. And you know, Justina, Justina went through
it a few times and we used to what we
used to talk to you about all the time. Oh,
that I wouldn't shut the funk up. You just keep wrapping,
keep wrapping. Remember that one workshop where they twisted my
(30:55):
head to kill me and I was dead on the floor,
and that I just keep wrapping. They're like, may not.
That moment was when I knew you got I understand. Yeah,
I understood because I was like, you're wrapped because you
know how but I know, and I feel like that's
(31:17):
what you do now, Like with all of us, like
you're kind of your hone, our craft and what we're
good at and just show us like can you have it?
But you need to be polished, like you find us
a little like you know what I mean, a little
diamond and the rough and then you clean us up
and then you know, we just people that get it.
Take the ball. Yeah, we take the ball on with
(31:37):
it after you give us the playsure some people. Some
people need more. Yeah, we gotta take a break. Stay
tuned for more of the women. While our podcasts don't
go nowhere. We got more questions for now. We're back
(31:58):
about it. It's your girl. Just seen a balance on
here with my sister be Smelling And we have a
very special guest with us this week, the executive producer
boss Man The Wilding Out Dad not Levins. Okay, so
wa'ts your first memory my first memory of O I'll
go he wants to be first, be nice. So I
(32:23):
remember seeing b Simone and I remember I remember I
can't see how your hair was. Your hair was actually
down the first time I saw it, and I was like, oh,
she's she's cute. Um, she's kind of funny. Was this
in New York? Now? I think this was in New York,
(32:45):
and I was like, there's something there, and Nick was like,
there's really no you know what. Nick at first was
like I don't see it. He didn't believe. And you know,
Dolly was the one that was like, nah, there's really
something there. And I was like, all right, Polo. You know,
we didn't have a we didn't have a lot of
you know, it was hard to find a really funny
(33:05):
female at the time, and not that there aren't funny females,
but we weren't getting them, and so that that fit,
you know, and so it was like, you know, you
were buzzing a little bit online and it wasn't I remember,
because I remember you were. You were buzzing a little bit,
but you when you came back another season, we were
like when the be Simone tone came, it was that
(33:28):
was it. That was why, that was it? And so
I remember you had you. I think we we we
we gave you a few episodes and then I don't
know if we let did we let you go? And
then you came back and let me go? And then
you came back, and then when you came back, it
was you were different. You came back with and then
(33:53):
when I saw the stuff online, I said, because I
was like getting cut again, Like y'all got me said,
you said, you were like, I've done this too many times.
I'm not getting cut again. And I was like that
that was the energy that I wanted. That's the point.
That was at the point. That's the energy that I want.
And you were like, I've been here too many times.
(34:14):
I'm coming in and you smashed the workshop. You smashed
Who was that in Brooklyn? I was scared. Yeah, he
came in and you smashed the workshop, and I was
just like, oh, next level that Still Nick was still
like Nick was like Nick was like for a while,
(34:37):
he was he was he was on the fence for
a while. He was like, I don't know if I
see it. I like her. I don't see it though,
And then and then you just had that breakout season
and it was just like okay. And then sometimes it
takes a while, because you know, I'm the same way
with some of Nick's picks. I'll be like, oh, then't cool,
(34:58):
and they're like, okay, what you're saying. Once they get
on stage and deliver and have fun and you know, yeah,
and once you got it was just it was. It
was out of here. It was like oh and then
almost by that time, you were like I'm ready to leave.
She was like, she was like, she was like might
his worldwide? She's like, baby girl, use me or down,
(35:21):
I don't care. You know what it is, No, wilding
out is always family, Like you never get enough scenes
now you always want to come back always. But what
it is is I think, um, when I started doing
stand up, I fell in love with that ship. But
while didn't not prepared me for that, Yeah, it really did.
It prepared me for stand up comedy that is a
(35:43):
different fucking world. Like getting in front of thirty thou
people like, you're either going to hear a roaring wave
of laughs in an arena or you're gonna hear that
fucking cricket and be like what the fuck you know that?
And you get to prove yourself on stage and know
a lot of people, you know a lot of a
lot of comedians are like, oh, these influences, influencers come
(36:06):
in and then and then they start doing stand up
and it's like, well, if you've been on the wound
out stage and dealt with the either the booze or
the you ain't mother the buzz the mother, you know,
dealing with laughing at you because you had a bad joke.
Trust me, going on stage, It's gonna be easy after that, right,
(36:27):
You're fine? Fine, It just like sharpens your swords. Like
even like you know when I did the Five Things
of Death on Sway and I was the first check
to really spit of real freestyle. I just came off
a season a while now. I was like, you were
doing this two weeks straight. What you want to talk about?
I don't need nothing rain, Come on, give me. You're
(36:48):
just gonna free style. This is what I do. Like,
I just came off a season one, like I just
can't from like what you want to hear about. Remember
that first the first season that that we had. You
just see and I was just like and and that
first audition I can almost remember exactly what you had
on because you had your hair was back. Bun always
(37:12):
tells me to wear it. I love it, And I
remember I remember you came in and I was like, oh,
she's got it. We're fine, We're fine. I remember being like, no,
you're good. She she wrapped because I was like, I'm
a toast strewd election and then you killed it coast
(37:33):
shrewd and then you killed and I was like, okay,
you're good. And then we got to the workshop. I
was like, okay, you can wrap, I get it. And
then I was like, all you could wrapt, I get it.
You gotta get to a joke. And that was the
thing that I knew. I was like, you have this
amazing skill. If we just work on this getting to
a joke part, we're gonna be fine. And you know
(37:58):
something you did. I don't know if you remember of this,
So you gave me the toaster shoal right when it
was the audition, just you, me and Shelby. So then
the next audition we did was because my first audition
was single, I don't know how years was be but
the second audition was a group of us, like thirty. Yeah,
so Nick was at that one. So we did a
bunch of stuff and then you gave us a topic
(38:21):
and then you gave everyone like a minute to make
something up. So everyone's in their phones. So you went
around the room and when you came to me, you
gave me toaster shrewdle again. And I didn't want it
because I wanted some new and I didn't even remember
I said. I was like, oh, I was like, I
think you might have gave you that my first one.
So you looked at me, You're like, oh, this bitch
is really about this action. So then you gave me
like a whole new topic. And then you know, that's
(38:43):
what I did was I was like, I saw what
you did with toaster shrewd and yeah, and so I
was like, in my mind, I was like, you got it. Yeah,
It's just it's here for you to lose, and I
don't want you to lose this so again, and then
I think she was like him, yeah, and then I
(39:06):
think you had did I give you something else? Who
gave me? You gave me a name brand. I think
it was like Gucci or Fendi or something and I
and of course I did a long free style about
and the rest of the room was like when I
was done, they started clapping like is it on iTunes?
Because you know, I went crazy and then us and
it was just like, oh just sold. Me and Nick
(39:27):
were already sold, and it was just like okay, well
there it is like. But then it came to wild
style and everyone was scared, so I let a few
people go then I went be someone. I did the
machine gun just across the whole line. On the other team,
nobody wanted that smoke. I was like, let me go,
and I remember Nick went down the line gave everyone dash,
(39:47):
but I was the only one. He sits unto. He's like,
where are you from? I was like Jersey. He was like, wow, Wow,
it was. It was a done deal. It's been so
dope getting to know the boy man now Evans even more.
But you know what, it's a lot more things that
we gotta get into. So we're gonna be back next
week with a part two. Make sure y'all tune in
(40:10):
to hear more about the executive producer of Wilding Out
and the women of Wilding Now podcast now Levins. We'll
see'll next week
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