November 29, 2023 • 14 mins
Ever wonder what it would be like to run a murder home bed and breakfast? We talked to Lance Zaal about it in this special bonus content.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Murderholmes is a production of iHeartRadio. Lance Zell is the
owner of the Lizzie Board and Ben and Breakfast. Lance
has spent a fortune meticulously renovating the home so that
it's historically accurate, while also updating it along modern hotel
safety guidelines. Ever wonder what it would be like to
run a murder home bed and Breakfast. We talked to
(00:21):
Lance all about it and the special bonus content for
True Crime Plus subscribers. Thanks Lance for speaking to me.
Could you tell us just a little bit about just
why you were interested in purchasing in the first place,
If you were in love with a story or you
saw it as an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So an employee mine sent me the article talking about
how the house was for sale, and we'd already had
a plan to try and do more with haunted locations.
We were thinking about doing ghost hunts and things, and
Lizzie Wardenhouse was actually on our list of places to
go and visit and do that, and our plan was
basically to rent space from them so we could do
(01:01):
something with our tours or starting new ghost hunts, and
when it became for sale, into it it's better just
to own it and own that place than it is
to try and do something and partner with it. It
was also something new, and it was something different for
the company and for me. And once I had the
opportunity to tour through the house, meet the staff, kind
(01:22):
of see the house for myself, spend a night there,
and then get an understanding of how things were being
run there, then it was clear to me that it
was also a really good opportunity. We've always been about
the history first, and Lizzie Bordenhouse is a piece of
American history and especial to a lot of people, and
(01:42):
it was just a really really great opportunity, especially you know,
if you compare it to a lot of other houses
that are famous that kind of come out on the
market in the last few years, what.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Are some of the other just some of the ones
you're thinking about there, because the one that stands out
most of all is yours, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I mean there other places that have a reputation for
being haunted, and they were on the market for a
lot of money. For example, a Conjuring house. I looked
at that house, but that was on the market for
one point two million dollars, and I think it was
two or three years before it was purchased for about
four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And you know, I look,
(02:21):
the business numbers for Lizzie Borton House look solid. I mean,
they had an operating history dating back to the late
nineteen nineties. They had an established client, so it made
a good business decision, whereas the Conjuring House wasn't. It
didn't have financials. It was losing money when you account
for all the expenses. And on top of it, Lizy
(02:43):
Boorton House has history, has real history.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
There are people that were actually murdered there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Conjuring House no indict It's Hollywood hype and a lot
of people claim that it's haunted, that there's no history
to it. Yes, it's an old house, but there are
a lot of old houses around the country. So we
tried to focus our are spending places that have real
history to it. A lot of that happens to be
a murder. So Lizzie Bordonhouse was perfect because it had
(03:08):
that history and then it also had a business foundation
that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think that with guests, I was very curious about
the typical guest who might be interested in staying there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think the typoic of guests I wants to stay
there is looking for a new, unique experience. Not everybody
that go there is looking for kind of a haunting,
because the Lizzie Bordonhouse is many things to many people.
There are many people who are fascinated by the unsolved
mystery of the board murders, and some of these people
have written books, They've spent decades studying about the case,
(03:41):
and they're very passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And lucky to have a following that really cares strongly
about that. So for those people, they're there because they
like to study. They can see the crime scene. You'd
like to maybe talk about how the murders may have happened,
or who may have done it, or how these board
and may have gotten away with it. So there's that aspect,
and then you have the people who want to go
because they want to do a ghost sun.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I would say most of.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The population are people who they fall in between. They're
not history buffs, they don't know anything about the case,
and they're not ghost hunting people, but they're curious.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
They want to know what the talk is about. They
want to learn about.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The history of the case and maybe even if they're
a little bit scared, but they want to see if
something might happen. So it's just another form of experience
where you might go to Diusyland to laugh and have
fun and go on rides, you might go to a
comedy show to laugh. It's just a new, different type
of experience for people to enjoy. And so that's why
when I took over the house, he was always told, well,
(04:36):
you have to pick a cater between the history crowd
and the paranormal crowd. And I said, you know what,
We're not going to cater to anybody. We want Lizzie
Boardon House to be a place where anybody can come
and enjoy themselves, regardless of the reason for them coming
to the house. So I would say early on in
the transition, there were some difficulties I think with some customers,
mainly because it was a transition period and we're making
(04:58):
a lot of changes really quickly, just from right out
the gate, and there were a lot of people that
had personal relationships with former staff or farmer owners and
they were used to getting certain things, whether it was
a free stay or something else that we weren't offering anymore.
And usually people don't like change and they're you know,
typically resistant to change. So I would say it was
you know, it was definitely a little rocky in the
(05:19):
beginning stage. I mean, there were a lot of rumors
that were swirling around that were really unhelpful. But I
think we weathered that really really well.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What was one of the rumors you were having difficult
difficulty with in Fall River?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Various rumors about me personally that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know, I got some hate emails from people based
on things that were just unetrue. Some people said that
the house wasn't going to be open to guess anymore.
Some people said that we were going to get rid
of the stove in the kitchen, which which was not
the case. Actually, Smithsonian article said that I was getting
rid of the stove, but we're not using the stove
to cook on. That doesn't mean we're getting read of
(05:55):
the antique stove. That stove wasn't original to the house.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yes, that's it. And just to stop because the stove
is the big controversy. It was mentioned in the Wall
Street Journal article. Again it's a reproduction. So to back
up the stove for listeners.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That's where Lizzie Borden burned her dress when she came
cut and she was a suspect for the crime.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But that's not the original stove that she's not at
her house. Yeah, right, but it's still important for our tour.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
We want to show a replica stove, So I think
it's still great to have that stove there.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But that stove was a threat to.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Bringing the house down and had an open flame, very
antique stove like Lady t and Hunter's stove early.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nineteen hundred stove.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And then guests would blow the pilot lights or if
a window was left open, a breeze would come in
block the pilot light, and then the house guests there. Yeah,
and then gus would smell smell gas. They'd have to evacuate.
They'd have to call the fire department. Even the winter
time before I own it, the guests would have to
evacuate out in the.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Cold in the winter, Like you pay to stay at
a place, right, you don't want that.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And also if you're the fire department, I don't want
the fire government to have to come to waste their time,
especially if they could respond to a real emergency. But
it puts people's safety and lives risk, and it also
risks brunning down the entire house and.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right, and all you did was move the stove from
one part of the kitchen and to another a.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Place where it's more visible for everybody to see in
the kitchen when they're on the tour, because before it
wasn't as visible. But it's actually more visible where it
is in the back of the kitchen, so it's easier
to see. And now when we cook breakfast, it's in
a different place in the room to cook. So yeah,
a lot of the changes that we made, there were
a lot of rumors that just flat out weren't true.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I just wanted to come back to something about the
house itself. With reproductions and renovations, what is original? I
guess I have a morbid sensibility and if I was there,
I'd want to touch something or see something that was
original to the house itself at the time of the murderers.
What would that be? Is it like this, the banister
or the staircase, or the stairs themselves, or just infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, there's a banister that's original, I would say for sure.
And my favorite piece of the house are the radiators,
the silver radiators.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That I noticed when I went into the house because
I'm a big fan of art deco and art deco design,
so these radiators just beautiful art deco design in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And a lot of people like to talk about how
Andrew Borden was the.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Chief skate and he was this or they tried to
vilify him, and I think that's really unfair, I think,
especially as a murder victim and he never really got
justice for his murder. They talk about how he was
super super cheap.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They didn't have this, they didn't have that, YadA ya YadA.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
But he installed these radiators in the early eighteen nineties.
That's big deal. It was a luxury back then. Most
people didn't have that, So it was absolutely a luxury
in the house. Yeah, they didn't have running water, they
didn't have bathrooms, but it's not like you're just going
to snap your fingers and all of a sudden you
have everything. And it was also not unusual for people
to be frugal back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Then either, correct. But I'm assuming also the beams, like
anything that's structural is also the house itself.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, yeah, So in the basement.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, you can look up the wood beams and
you can actually see some of the areas where the
blood stained the wood. We're going to be starting our
podcast from the house US Coast Adventures podcast underneath where
that blood stain is in the basement. Coincidentally, you know
the brick in the basement. A lot of those areas
are original. I just have to be careful for sure
(09:22):
what you say is original whatnot, because some of it
was restored during the houses long history of going from
different stages. And that's something that we're trying to catalog
is talk about the history of the house from where
it was constructed until today. And let's talk about all
the things that the prior owners of the house did
to contribute to get that house to where it is today.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The prior owners before.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I had it, Donald Woods owned it with Lean and
they did so much to that house. And then the
owners before that, Missus McGinn, did a lot to that
house to get it even to open it as a house.
So I'm trying to really catalog the history and genesis
of the house because I think that's a really neat
story in itself.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's cool and have you ever had a guest who
just can't take it, You know that they're they're sort
of not it's not about asking for a refund, just
that just they're emotionally maxed out by the staying there
and they have to leave in the mood of the night,
or there's there's screaming, has there been an incident like that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There are often people that leave because they're just scared
or something happens and then they just they just leave.
And then you have people that come as a group
and then they stick it out. I think if you're
there and you have somebodies to support you, it really
depends on the person. So because some people that are
absolutely terrified and they do make it in the morning,
but they may not sleep through it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And this little like kind of is there, like granolasm
to help comfort.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And in the first two weeks, I've talked to a
lot of guests and a lot of them would share
the stories to me, but they were kind of embarrassed
to share the story. I think a lot of people
don't want to share these stories because they like they'll
be kind of seeing a different light or ostracize or
kind of like they're crazy. So we've had some normal
(11:07):
people who experienced things. I say, I've never experienced anything.
I'm a total skeptic. I didn't believe any of this,
and this happened and not happened. And so what we're
trying to do at the house is get people to
talk about those experiences, get them to catalog it. So
one of the things we've done is we've had these
books people who have written about their experiences in the
Lizzie Gordon House dating back to the nineties, and we
(11:30):
are recording in a spreadsheet and trying to take this
written information from the nineties and then put data to it.
So we're trying to get data behind what rooms have,
what experiences, and what are most common. Because one of
our employees had experienced Joseph when we were in the
Andrew and Abbey bedroom, he saw a figure in a
white nightgown walk past him and try to open the
(11:52):
bathroom door, which was locked at the time, and it
was just wiggling, and he said, did you try to
open the bathroom door last night?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And it woke me up? And you were wearing a
white nightgown and I said, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Don't wear white nighters to bed. And then No, that
wasn't That definitely wasn't me. But the funny thing is
we've also had other people report, and these people don't
know each other the same thing. They see a figure
in a white that's believed to be Missus Borton walk
in the night white nightgown in the room as if
she was going somewhere in her room. So there are
(12:27):
a lot of things that we're trying to put data
behind a lot of these things that people have experienced
in the house and witness so that we can better
understand what's happening and piece that together.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
If there was another house out there that we were
talking about, the laksa Ax murder house, if there was
one you could buy next and refurbish and could be
your next murder of ghost home. Like which which one
would it be? If it could be anyone in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Ooh, murder home, I would say, yeah, Aliska would be amazing.
Although I have visited the Bliska house, I have met
with Mark Martha, and I will say it. Martha is
at eighty six years old. She is the most impressive, intelligent,
well spoken, and good kind person I've ever met. She
(13:11):
but she's an incredible person, and I have a lot
of respect for her and what she does. But yeah,
I have Liska as Murderhouse is great and it's really
way off the beaten path. It's like a little more
than an hour drive from Omaha, which is the nearest
big city. But the one house that's like I would
absolutely love to be a part of and own at
some point would be a Winchester mansion. So okay, murder House,
(13:34):
and then I would say the East to State Penitentiary
outside of Philadelphia's that's great.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And thanks thanks for hopping on the call and talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You got to thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
This is Murder Holmes. I'm Amarnovich. I hope you enjoy
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
N
Murderholmes is a production of iHeartRadio. Lance Zell is the
owner of the Lizzie Board and Ben and Breakfast. Lance
has spent a fortune meticulously renovating the home so that
it's historically accurate, while also updating it along modern hotel
safety guidelines. Ever wonder what it would be like to
run a murder home bed and Breakfast. We talked to
(00:21):
Lance all about it and the special bonus content for
True Crime Plus subscribers. Thanks Lance for speaking to me.
Could you tell us just a little bit about just
why you were interested in purchasing in the first place,
If you were in love with a story or you
saw it as an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So an employee mine sent me the article talking about
how the house was for sale, and we'd already had
a plan to try and do more with haunted locations.
We were thinking about doing ghost hunts and things, and
Lizzie Wardenhouse was actually on our list of places to
go and visit and do that, and our plan was
basically to rent space from them so we could do
(01:01):
something with our tours or starting new ghost hunts, and
when it became for sale, into it it's better just
to own it and own that place than it is
to try and do something and partner with it. It
was also something new, and it was something different for
the company and for me. And once I had the
opportunity to tour through the house, meet the staff, kind
(01:22):
of see the house for myself, spend a night there,
and then get an understanding of how things were being
run there, then it was clear to me that it
was also a really good opportunity. We've always been about
the history first, and Lizzie Bordenhouse is a piece of
American history and especial to a lot of people, and
(01:42):
it was just a really really great opportunity, especially you know,
if you compare it to a lot of other houses
that are famous that kind of come out on the
market in the last few years, what.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Are some of the other just some of the ones
you're thinking about there, because the one that stands out
most of all is yours, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I mean there other places that have a reputation for
being haunted, and they were on the market for a
lot of money. For example, a Conjuring house. I looked
at that house, but that was on the market for
one point two million dollars, and I think it was
two or three years before it was purchased for about
four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And you know, I look,
(02:21):
the business numbers for Lizzie Borton House look solid. I mean,
they had an operating history dating back to the late
nineteen nineties. They had an established client, so it made
a good business decision, whereas the Conjuring House wasn't. It
didn't have financials. It was losing money when you account
for all the expenses. And on top of it, Lizy
(02:43):
Boorton House has history, has real history.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
There are people that were actually murdered there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Conjuring House no indict It's Hollywood hype and a lot
of people claim that it's haunted, that there's no history
to it. Yes, it's an old house, but there are
a lot of old houses around the country. So we
tried to focus our are spending places that have real
history to it. A lot of that happens to be
a murder. So Lizzie Bordonhouse was perfect because it had
(03:08):
that history and then it also had a business foundation
that's great.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I think that with guests, I was very curious about
the typical guest who might be interested in staying there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think the typoic of guests I wants to stay
there is looking for a new, unique experience. Not everybody
that go there is looking for kind of a haunting,
because the Lizzie Bordonhouse is many things to many people.
There are many people who are fascinated by the unsolved
mystery of the board murders, and some of these people
have written books, They've spent decades studying about the case,
(03:41):
and they're very passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And lucky to have a following that really cares strongly
about that. So for those people, they're there because they
like to study. They can see the crime scene. You'd
like to maybe talk about how the murders may have happened,
or who may have done it, or how these board
and may have gotten away with it. So there's that aspect,
and then you have the people who want to go
because they want to do a ghost sun.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I would say most of.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
The population are people who they fall in between. They're
not history buffs, they don't know anything about the case,
and they're not ghost hunting people, but they're curious.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
They want to know what the talk is about. They
want to learn about.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The history of the case and maybe even if they're
a little bit scared, but they want to see if
something might happen. So it's just another form of experience
where you might go to Diusyland to laugh and have
fun and go on rides, you might go to a
comedy show to laugh. It's just a new, different type
of experience for people to enjoy. And so that's why
when I took over the house, he was always told, well,
(04:36):
you have to pick a cater between the history crowd
and the paranormal crowd. And I said, you know what,
We're not going to cater to anybody. We want Lizzie
Boardon House to be a place where anybody can come
and enjoy themselves, regardless of the reason for them coming
to the house. So I would say early on in
the transition, there were some difficulties I think with some customers,
mainly because it was a transition period and we're making
(04:58):
a lot of changes really quickly, just from right out
the gate, and there were a lot of people that
had personal relationships with former staff or farmer owners and
they were used to getting certain things, whether it was
a free stay or something else that we weren't offering anymore.
And usually people don't like change and they're you know,
typically resistant to change. So I would say it was
you know, it was definitely a little rocky in the
(05:19):
beginning stage. I mean, there were a lot of rumors
that were swirling around that were really unhelpful. But I
think we weathered that really really well.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What was one of the rumors you were having difficult
difficulty with in Fall River?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Various rumors about me personally that I've heard.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know, I got some hate emails from people based
on things that were just unetrue. Some people said that
the house wasn't going to be open to guess anymore.
Some people said that we were going to get rid
of the stove in the kitchen, which which was not
the case. Actually, Smithsonian article said that I was getting
rid of the stove, but we're not using the stove
to cook on. That doesn't mean we're getting read of
(05:55):
the antique stove. That stove wasn't original to the house.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yes, that's it. And just to stop because the stove
is the big controversy. It was mentioned in the Wall
Street Journal article. Again it's a reproduction. So to back
up the stove for listeners.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
That's where Lizzie Borden burned her dress when she came
cut and she was a suspect for the crime.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But that's not the original stove that she's not at
her house. Yeah, right, but it's still important for our tour.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
We want to show a replica stove, So I think
it's still great to have that stove there.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But that stove was a threat to.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Bringing the house down and had an open flame, very
antique stove like Lady t and Hunter's stove early.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nineteen hundred stove.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And then guests would blow the pilot lights or if
a window was left open, a breeze would come in
block the pilot light, and then the house guests there. Yeah,
and then gus would smell smell gas. They'd have to evacuate.
They'd have to call the fire department. Even the winter
time before I own it, the guests would have to
evacuate out in the.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Cold in the winter, Like you pay to stay at
a place, right, you don't want that.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And also if you're the fire department, I don't want
the fire government to have to come to waste their time,
especially if they could respond to a real emergency. But
it puts people's safety and lives risk, and it also
risks brunning down the entire house and.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Right, and all you did was move the stove from
one part of the kitchen and to another a.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Place where it's more visible for everybody to see in
the kitchen when they're on the tour, because before it
wasn't as visible. But it's actually more visible where it
is in the back of the kitchen, so it's easier
to see. And now when we cook breakfast, it's in
a different place in the room to cook. So yeah,
a lot of the changes that we made, there were
a lot of rumors that just flat out weren't true.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I just wanted to come back to something about the
house itself. With reproductions and renovations, what is original? I
guess I have a morbid sensibility and if I was there,
I'd want to touch something or see something that was
original to the house itself at the time of the murderers.
What would that be? Is it like this, the banister
or the staircase, or the stairs themselves, or just infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, there's a banister that's original, I would say for sure.
And my favorite piece of the house are the radiators,
the silver radiators.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's the first thing.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That I noticed when I went into the house because
I'm a big fan of art deco and art deco design,
so these radiators just beautiful art deco design in the house.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And a lot of people like to talk about how
Andrew Borden was the.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Chief skate and he was this or they tried to
vilify him, and I think that's really unfair, I think,
especially as a murder victim and he never really got
justice for his murder. They talk about how he was
super super cheap.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They didn't have this, they didn't have that, YadA ya YadA.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
But he installed these radiators in the early eighteen nineties.
That's big deal. It was a luxury back then. Most
people didn't have that, So it was absolutely a luxury
in the house. Yeah, they didn't have running water, they
didn't have bathrooms, but it's not like you're just going
to snap your fingers and all of a sudden you
have everything. And it was also not unusual for people
to be frugal back.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Then either, correct. But I'm assuming also the beams, like
anything that's structural is also the house itself.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, yeah, So in the basement.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, you can look up the wood beams and
you can actually see some of the areas where the
blood stained the wood. We're going to be starting our
podcast from the house US Coast Adventures podcast underneath where
that blood stain is in the basement. Coincidentally, you know
the brick in the basement. A lot of those areas
are original. I just have to be careful for sure
(09:22):
what you say is original whatnot, because some of it
was restored during the houses long history of going from
different stages. And that's something that we're trying to catalog
is talk about the history of the house from where
it was constructed until today. And let's talk about all
the things that the prior owners of the house did
to contribute to get that house to where it is today.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The prior owners before.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I had it, Donald Woods owned it with Lean and
they did so much to that house. And then the
owners before that, Missus McGinn, did a lot to that
house to get it even to open it as a house.
So I'm trying to really catalog the history and genesis
of the house because I think that's a really neat
story in itself.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That's cool and have you ever had a guest who
just can't take it, You know that they're they're sort
of not it's not about asking for a refund, just
that just they're emotionally maxed out by the staying there
and they have to leave in the mood of the night,
or there's there's screaming, has there been an incident like that.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There are often people that leave because they're just scared
or something happens and then they just they just leave.
And then you have people that come as a group
and then they stick it out. I think if you're
there and you have somebodies to support you, it really
depends on the person. So because some people that are
absolutely terrified and they do make it in the morning,
but they may not sleep through it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And this little like kind of is there, like granolasm
to help comfort.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And in the first two weeks, I've talked to a
lot of guests and a lot of them would share
the stories to me, but they were kind of embarrassed
to share the story. I think a lot of people
don't want to share these stories because they like they'll
be kind of seeing a different light or ostracize or
kind of like they're crazy. So we've had some normal
(11:07):
people who experienced things. I say, I've never experienced anything.
I'm a total skeptic. I didn't believe any of this,
and this happened and not happened. And so what we're
trying to do at the house is get people to
talk about those experiences, get them to catalog it. So
one of the things we've done is we've had these
books people who have written about their experiences in the
Lizzie Gordon House dating back to the nineties, and we
(11:30):
are recording in a spreadsheet and trying to take this
written information from the nineties and then put data to it.
So we're trying to get data behind what rooms have,
what experiences, and what are most common. Because one of
our employees had experienced Joseph when we were in the
Andrew and Abbey bedroom, he saw a figure in a
white nightgown walk past him and try to open the
(11:52):
bathroom door, which was locked at the time, and it
was just wiggling, and he said, did you try to
open the bathroom door last night?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And it woke me up? And you were wearing a
white nightgown and I said, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Don't wear white nighters to bed. And then No, that
wasn't That definitely wasn't me. But the funny thing is
we've also had other people report, and these people don't
know each other the same thing. They see a figure
in a white that's believed to be Missus Borton walk
in the night white nightgown in the room as if
she was going somewhere in her room. So there are
(12:27):
a lot of things that we're trying to put data
behind a lot of these things that people have experienced
in the house and witness so that we can better
understand what's happening and piece that together.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
If there was another house out there that we were
talking about, the laksa Ax murder house, if there was
one you could buy next and refurbish and could be
your next murder of ghost home. Like which which one
would it be? If it could be anyone in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Ooh, murder home, I would say, yeah, Aliska would be amazing.
Although I have visited the Bliska house, I have met
with Mark Martha, and I will say it. Martha is
at eighty six years old. She is the most impressive, intelligent,
well spoken, and good kind person I've ever met. She
(13:11):
but she's an incredible person, and I have a lot
of respect for her and what she does. But yeah,
I have Liska as Murderhouse is great and it's really
way off the beaten path. It's like a little more
than an hour drive from Omaha, which is the nearest
big city. But the one house that's like I would
absolutely love to be a part of and own at
some point would be a Winchester mansion. So okay, murder House,
(13:34):
and then I would say the East to State Penitentiary
outside of Philadelphia's that's great.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And thanks thanks for hopping on the call and talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You got to thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
This is Murder Holmes. I'm Amarnovich. I hope you enjoy
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