September 12, 2025 • 26 mins
Takin A Walk Podcast with Buzz Knight : AJR’s Jack & Ryan Met Reveal Their Journey from Street Performers to Pop SuperstarsEpisode DescriptionFrom busking in Washington Square Park to dominating Billboard charts – AJR brothers Jack and Ryan Met sit down with host Buzz Knight for an exclusive deep-dive into their extraordinary musical evolution. This powerhouse indie-pop trio opens up about their DIY production secrets, the creative genius behind viral hits, and how three brothers from New York transformed bedroom recordings into stadium-filling anthems.🎧 What You’ll Discover: • The untold story of AJR’s street performance origins and how they built their fanbase from zero • Exclusive behind-the-scenes insights into their self-produced album creation process • How they crafted chart-topping hits that resonated with millions worldwide • The family dynamics that fuel their creative collaboration • Industry insider secrets about staying independent while achieving mainstream success • Their artistic evolution and what’s driving their boundary-pushing sound🔥 Perfect For: • Music industry enthusiasts curious about DIY success stories • Aspiring musicians seeking production and marketing insights • AJR superfans craving exclusive content and personal stories • Anyone interested in innovative pop music and creative entrepreneurshipSEO-Rich Keywords & Tags:AJR interview | indie pop music | DIY music production | music industry podcast | chart-topping hits | brother band dynamics | self-produced albums | viral music marketing | New York music scene | independent artists successSocial Media Hooks:Twitter/X: “🎵 EXCLUSIVE: @AJRBrothers spill the secrets behind their chart-dominating hits! From street performances to sold-out arenas – this is the untold AJR story you NEED to hear 🎧 #TakinAWalk #AJRInterview #MusicPodcast”Instagram: “Behind the music with AJR 🎤✨ Jack & Ryan reveal how three brothers turned bedroom beats into Billboard bangers. Swipe for exclusive insights! 🔊 Link in bio #AJR #MusicInterview #PodcastLife”LinkedIn: “Entrepreneurial musicians take note: AJR’s journey from street performers to industry innovators offers valuable lessons in creative independence, family collaboration, and building authentic audience connections.”Episode Timestamps (Suggested): • 00:00 - Intro & AJR’s New York origins • 05:30 - Street performance stories & early fanbase • 12:15 - DIY production techniques revealed • 18:45 - Creative process behind major hits • 25:20 - Family dynamics in music creation • 32:10 - Industry challenges & staying independent • 38:50 - Future projects & artistic evolutionSubscribe, share, and turn on notifications – because conversations like this don’t happen every day! 🎵Available on all major podcast platforms
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Taking a Walk. We're dancing very weird on stage. Feel
free for you guys to also dance very weird. Well,
none of this is said out loud, but it's all
just kind of understood.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm buzznight and today I'm taking a Walk. We're joined by.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Two brothers who turn life's little curiosities into arena filling anthems.
You may know Jack and Ryan Met from AJR, the
band that somehow makes symphonies of odd ball sounds, childhood memories,
and future facing beats all live in the same three
(00:33):
minute song. Loved having their other brother Adam Met previously
on this podcast, but we're looking forward to talk to
Jack and Ryan Met. Together they redefine what it means
to break the pop mold, whether it's sampling toy instruments,
layering unexpected textures, or just telling raw, honest stories.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And ways nobody else quite can.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So hang out through these messages from our sponsors and
we'll be right back on Taking a Walk with Jack
and Ryan from a j R.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Taking a Walk.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, we have a special happening on the Taking a
Walk podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Jack and Ryan from AJAR.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Welcome, Thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I complete the U the met Trifecta, ad your your
bro on a few months back and had a good
time with him.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I think you're familiar with him, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I know him?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, run into him once in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But we're going to talk about the new EP and
the Hollywood Bowl and the rest of the tour. I'm
I'm want to ask you what no one's thinking. Hello
and uh. But first before we get started, we like
to ask this question, since we call the podcast taking
a Walk. If you could use your vivid imagination and
(01:59):
you could take a walk with somebody living or dead,
who would you take a walk with? Where would you
take that walk with him?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The first thing that popped into my mind was Steve Jobs,
probably because I know he'd like to take a lot
of walks.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think visionaries like that come once in a generation,
and he just his mind was so ahead of the curve.
He so had his finger on the pulse in terms
of what people enjoy, what people want to consume, the packaging,
how to present it to them, how to combine art
and commerce in the most elegant way. Ever, I do
(02:41):
I think a walk with him would be nice?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do you think he'd be happy at the state of
the world, particularly when it comes to screen addiction and
things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Probably not, Probably not. I think he was probably more
about sort of innovation and imagination than what Apple has
become more recently.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
That's my guests. Ye're up, Oh me, sorry, Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Our favorite my favorite band is a band called Fountains
of Wayne, and sadly the one of the members, Adam Slessinger,
was lost during COVID. He passed away and I never
got the chance to meet him, and absolutely my favorite
band of all time.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Really shaped the way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I, you know, enjoy music and write and shaped a
lot of our sound and I would have loved to
meet him.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I would definitely take a walk just to let.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Him know, you know, how appreciative I am and get
inside his musical mind.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm so glad you've brought him up, because he was
one of many tragedies during the pandemic and you can't
let you know any of them slip by, know, unless
the ones that touch us in particular, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy that feeling of like, because Brian
Wilson was another one of those like for us. He
passed away a month ago. I literally felt like a
family member passed away. It's so crazy, just the connection
you can have with someone that doesn't know about your existence.
That just I'm so connected to your feeling all the
same things that I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's kind of like you're my brother.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Your brother.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
By the way, do you have a guess who? His
answer was on the taking a walk question?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Paul Simon bing got wow?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What do you win? What's the prize?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Walk with Simon?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Not too bad? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean and where you guys or are from, and
what you've experienced so much in New York City. There's
got to be thousands of places that you love to
walk in New York City.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean what's so great is that you know, we've
lived here.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I've lived here thirty years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or so, and there's still just like thousands of places
we haven't been. And I'll be walking and be like,
this is a block I haven't been on before, and
it's so small, but it's just so like rich with
you know, locations and place you haven't been.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So we really walk everywhere, honestly, So I got.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Before we get to the New EP I've got a
strange question to ask, what's the weirdest sound or everyday
object that you've ever sampled for an ajar song and
how did it end up on the final track.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Who wants to take that one first?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, I know you have one
in mine. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, just to give a little context, we do like
to sample a lot of kind of weird sounds. I
think when you produce for long enough, you get a
little bit bored of the same kind of snares and
the kind of online sound banks that are available to everybody,
and you start to realize, oh, here's how I make
sounds or drum sonic palettes that are actually unique to
(06:08):
me that nobody else has used. You start like looking
for real things in your life and recontextualizing them. So
definitely a weird one that we we did was we
sampled the uh I guess. We enlisted the guy the
voice of the New York City subway system, the guy
who goes stand clear of the closing doors please.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We asked him to record the here we go.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
On bang and that really that was almost like a
fun collaboration more than a sample, because we we weren't
sure exactly what we wanted that sound to be. We
got our dad to record something that was like here
we go, and we got our neighbor to do like
here we go. Like we weren't quite sure what the
affect was, and as soon as he did it, it
was like, oh, there's like there's the alpha guy telling
(06:53):
me here we go, Like there's a there's a leader
in the room right now. So it really influenced the
direction of the song. But we've yeah, we've sampled like
school bell like recess bells. That's really fun to kind
of when you're bringing in a chorus like kind of
up top sonically above everything else, just kind of catches
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your attention. I think there's something subconscious going on. When
people listen, they're like, oh, time for recess. I should
I should listen. Little things like that, whistles, elephants sound. Yeah,
we've sampled the elephants, horses galloping, Yeah, a lot of
animal stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So I've done a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Who influenced the the sampling of unique sounds in your
in your career?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think it's our love of movies. I think it
probably comes from that. It's very much when we write
it's okay who's our character here? Often it is like
somewhere between me and Jack when we're writing, but like
what's our way in? That's sort of how to make it,
I guess, a more three dimensional song like Okay, this
is a love song, but it's from this like the
(07:59):
most secure part of us or the most desperate part
of us, Like who's this character? And then in terms
of the sound effects, it sort of puts you there,
so like we're not just sampling an elephant randomly, Like
if we want to create the feeling of chaos, unhinged
beat start of the album, that's a place where I
want to tuck in an elephant because I'm just suddenly
(08:20):
in a movie where the zoo doors break open then
the animals are running rampant around the city. The horse
galloping is like, here's a song about the inspiration of Okay,
I can make my life better. So that's where I'm
hearing the boom the boom put the boom like the
galloping of a horse very much ties into like where
I want to be in.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
The movie.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
All right, Ryan you first, and then Jack favorite movie
of all time and why it just lives in infamy.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm gonna go with you could take, So I'm gonna
go with Social Network.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think it's just it's the most rewatchable movie. The
dialogue just feels like candy. The character is so unlike
like Mark Zuckerbergy's like so unlikable and likable at the
same time. The soundtrack's amazing. I just think it's a
perfect movie. Maybe I'll go. I mean, I've watched this
(09:23):
movie a million times. I've watched it recently again and
it kind of became my favorite. Maybe Hannah and her
Sisters the Woody Allen movie. I think growing up in
New York, it just encapsulates New York perfectly.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Characters are just so well thought out.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I think my favorite movies are the ones that when
they finish, I can just watch it again from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And that's probably the main one for me.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
My wife and I just watched it the other night.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We had just gone through a whole Hey, what's our
top twenty or whatever, and then we were like, oh, wait,
we haven't watched Hannah and her Sisters in a while,
and I love it for all the reasons you just described.
It's love letter to you know, New York. And just
the richness of all the characters, so many classic scenes
(10:06):
for sure. Yeah, definitely, So let's talk about what no
one's thinking. First of all, congratulations on it. But it
wasn't supposed to happen this year, Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah? That is correct.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
This year was really supposed to be us only working
on this Broadway show that we're working on. And I
think there was this moment of like weirdness about not
writing something about like like are we still able to
do it? Almost almost like an anxiety, And I think
I came to Ry and were like, let's just try something.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
And it started.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Turning into this group of songs that at first weren't
so great that they were like the starts of something.
And then I think that even frustrated us further. I'm like, wait, no,
have we lost that right?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And then there was a moment where we're like, we
should really kind of get.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Into this a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And there was a moment where we realized, you know,
the last few years of our life and a little
trying for us, there's been like loss in our family
and career stuff and questions about relationships and all this stuff.
And sorry, our dog is kind of going wild in
front of us right now.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
We encouraged dogs from paying a visit on taking a walk, so.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do not worry.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
In fact, you didn't hear a dog sound being sampled earlier.
It was elm or barking at another Amazon delivery or something.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Okay, I didn't hear it, but.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, what's your dog's name? First of all?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Blue?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Blue? All right? We welcome Blue.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
We have Blue and Shay here.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right, welcome. I see what they're up to.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I know they're friendly. Yeah, sorry, no, just to finish
what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I think we realized that there was a lot
going on in our life and we weren't really tapping
into that. We were maybe suppressing a little bit of it.
And soon as we realize that, it all kind of
came out and we put all of that into the
music and we came up with five songs.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Was there, ever, still, as you had embarked on the process,
still doubt that it wouldn't come together?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I think this new music, more than anything we've made before,
is like directly from our lives in a way.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm trying to think what's different about it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think we're just like really now, just saying exactly
what we feel how we feel it almost like a
diary entry for whatever reason where we're at in our lives.
That's feeling like the most truthful thing I think in
the past. Obviously all of our songs come from truth,
but we're also balancing how do we make it catchy,
(12:48):
how do we have fun in the way that we
say this, and maybe like use metaphors or whatever, and
that's like a totally valid type of songwriting. Just something
about our headspace now is like, if we're not saying
exactly what we feel the way we feel it, it's disingenuous.
It's not like it's it doesn't feel purposeful. And so
(13:09):
I think this EP was an extra challenge because we
were like, Okay, we're gonna write we have a song
called a dog song on this EP, and it's from
the point of view of our dog, and that very
much could go in a terrible direction, in a gimmicky
kind of like here's things that dogs do I laid
down for a nap or whatever. It could like turn
(13:29):
into like a funny, gimmicky song. But we were like, no, no,
let's literally demonstrate it exactly what our dog is watching
us do and see from his naive, innocent perspective all
the stuff that's happening in our lives. And so I
think stuff like that is feeling really difficult to write,
but very rewarding to listen.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Back to take us behind the song Betty as well.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, that's another perfect example where me and Jack were
sitting on that track for what two years. Jack came
up with that melody of the chorus of the d
and we were slowly chipping away at it over like
the course of two years. We were we were singing
Bennie instead of Betty. We were going, Benny, I really
(14:17):
hope you like my style. And it was just nonsense,
but it was fun to say. And and at a
certain point we were like, Okay, let's stop just writing
a song that's just catching and just fun to say.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
What are we feeling me.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And Jack like divulge to our to each other, like
some stuff we were talking about in therapy about like
just like a fear of commitment in general, like in
in our lives, like how uncertain we are about like
what does the rest of our life look like, whether
it be a relationship or career or whatever. And he realized,
oh wait, we're both talking about this in therapy every week, like,
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of course we need to write a song about this.
And at that point we kind of made the turn
to Betty and I really hope you're on Here's like
a realistic look, and I think how a lot of
people our age feel, which is like when you know
you know, is not so obvious, like there's a lot
of other factors and it's not a very sexy, romantic
way to think. But I think it's just a more
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realistic way to think about committing and love.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Talk about some of your other favorites, which I would
imagine would be every song on the EP.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So let's walk through it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, what am I missing? I'm trying to think whatever.
The big Goodbye, Oh, the big a Bye, Yeah Mayby
we like that took what five years to make? Yeah,
just we had this sample in the beginning of the song. Oh,
this is another good one that we sampled. There's a
song called the Auctioneer. I think that's what the original
(15:46):
song is called, and it's this barbershop quartet and in
the beginning it's five hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Really give me that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's you know, an auctioneer doing his thing, and we
always thought that was just like so percussive and so
interesting and had never been done before, and we always
wanted to sample it, and Ryan just made a beat
for it and it turned into this like great driving
groove and we just had it forever. And it's tough
to start a song from that place because it's so weird.
(16:12):
It's like, where do you even go from there? What
kind of song is this going to be? So it
took us a really long time to do and eventually
we wrote a very like partyish song and then tried
another partyish song yea like a weird song, and then
eventually it landed on this sort of like emotional story
about someone saying goodbye to their hometown and having mixed
feelings about leaving.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I love that absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I love the honesty and you know the tension of
it as well, you know, so beautifully put together.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Have you ever.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Had a moment with this project or any other project
where there was complete disagreement on a musical direction and then,
if so, how did you?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I feel like at this point we kind of know
what to trust each other for the answers. Yes, but
I think that if Jack comes to me and says,
I promise this melody is catchier than this melody, I'm
just gonna trust him, like he just has the ear
for that. If I come to him and tell him
I promise this line is gonna make people cry and
(17:23):
this line isn't and we're fighting over it, He's gonna
trust me on that. So I think probably the emotion
is more of my forte and the catchiness, but also
the coolness of the song is more of his forte.
I'm not like, I don't It's not how my brain
works of like is this cool? Are people going to
think this is cool? I just know like I like
(17:43):
it and it makes me feel something. And Jack's a
little more in tuned with like our kids are age
gonna think this is or too broadway ash and and weird.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
So I'm curious for a band that, as you know,
put its, you know, stake down with sheer independence in
everything that you've done and the way that you've done it.
Do you ever worry that you're going to lose that
independent streak?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, I think we obviously like do a lot of
almost everything ourselves at this point, and it's been out
of necessity. Honestly, Like we grew up, we didn't really
know anybody in the industry. We didn't really have money
to go, you know, pay someone to make a music
video for us, So we just needed to learn all
of these skills. And looking back, I'm really grateful that
(18:37):
we did, like to be able to to be self
sustainable I guess is the word, and and make all
of the art yourself and kind of have the vision
to complete the whole thing as a package, the artwork
and the music videos and the even the social media,
which is like a form of art.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I guess, the music and the tour.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like, I'm really grateful that we, out of necessity, needed
to develop all those skills, because I think fans sense it.
I think me as a consumer, I can kind of
tell when an artist got an outside treatment for a
music video and it's like them in the convertible car
or whatever, Like I can kind of feel that someone
else wrote this treatment for a music video for you,
(19:19):
and this didn't come from your POV. And so that's
all I want to see from artists is I won't
feel connected to you. I want to feel like we're
having an honest conversation, and so I think that's helped
us to have like a more honest conversation with the fans.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, Jack, isn't it gratifying watching other artists take
the independent road?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it's leading to a kind of a good,
honest place in music. And I'm glad that we were
you know, have been doing it such a long time,
and we could say we were one of the early
ones on it.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So how do you guys handle criticism differently compared to
maybe a couple of years back when you know the
world was weird obviously at that time, but how do
you think you're handling of things like that has sort
of evolved and grown.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I think it used to.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We definitely get our fair share of criticism on the
internet and the bad reviews and insults and everything like that.
And I think we've always been a band that's like
either you love us or you hate us, really, and
there's never there's not hasn't been anything in between. It
bothered us when we were first starting out, honestly, as
it bothers everyone, and we couldn't help but check all
(20:38):
the comments and see what people have to say, and
you almost get like a weird addiction to it, you know,
to checking it, and over the years it's just felt
more like noise to us. I think we've come to
the realization that the things that people don't like about
us are the things that we love about us, the
things that we're really excited to do. In music, for instance,
(21:00):
you know the bang sample here we go. I could
imagine there's a lot of people that are going, they
sampled the subway guy, and me and Ryan go, yeah,
we sampled the subway guy. So at that point, it's like,
what's really It's kind of a waste of time to
listen when you have the security and confidence in what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But I also think the way you have built and
the way you treat your fan base gives you, you know,
extra leverage and fact of what you can do and
how you're going to approach things because you guys really
respect your fans and and and and treat them like gold.
(21:41):
So I think that goes a long way in this process,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think so? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I feel like when we tour, when we come out
on stage, there's just like an understanding, like we're all
friends here, Like we design our show in a way
like within the first four minutes, Jack's like may making
fun of me on stage, like he's like roasting me
and brother band in a brother you way, and like, yeah,
that's basically just our personalities anyway. But it's also a
(22:09):
little bit by design of just like hey, we're we're
in a safe space here, Like I'm not taking anything seriously,
He's not taking it. We might roast you guys at
some point during the show, Like it's kind of this
subconscious thing that we like to establish of like we're
all friends here, we're dancing very weird on stage, feel
free for you guys to also dance very weird. None
(22:29):
of this is said out loud, but it's all just
kind of understood. And so I think that probably really helps.
If you feel like you're in a safe space surrounded
by people that you're already friends with, you could just
kind of like take big swings.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
So there's another milestone that's coming up. You've just you know,
finished a milestone in terms of the Madison Square Garden appearance,
which of course I know you don't take that lightly
at all, And then you've got this other one that
just sort of crept up this little venue called the
Hollywood Bowl on October the fourth. Tell me how this
(23:08):
feels and the immenseness of it to you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, I mean, there's only a handful of venues I
think in the world that are like truly iconic, that
that are like household names, you know, if you will,
like Madison Square, Garden, Red Rocks, and I'd say Hollywood
Bowl is absolutely up there. And I think it's one
of the last ones that we haven't We actually haven't
(23:32):
seen any shows there before, funny enough, so we haven't
have not been, but obviously we've heard that it's a
magical place. So we're just nothing but excited to kind
of at this point. You know, it's really cool. We've
been doing this twenty years now of being a band
and to still have milestones that we can check off,
especially something so huge, is really exciting.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So cool. Now is Adam going to be part of that?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
We can disclose that he might in.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Okay, that's disclosing something, right, Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's so great.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Well, in closing, I want to ask you which Ajar
lyric best describes your current mindset.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Hm, hm, I go.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
We have a song called Karma that really holds like
a special place in my heart. It's it's always a
something that I related to. It's the chorus is I've
been so good. I've been helpful and friendly.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I've been so good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Why am I feeling empty? I've been so good this year.
I've been so good, but it's still getting harder. I've
been so good? Where the hell is the karma? I've
been so good this year? And I always feel like
that life is so up and down and and and
you kind of can't get out of your mind in
terms of like, if I am such a good person,
why are things still going poorly for me?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Where is that karma?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And it's a sort of a part of maybe growing
up trying to get away from that, but it's difficult,
So I always have that on my mind. We have
a line in our song Turning Out Part three that's
don't overthink it. One day at a time, kid, add
up the days? No, no, one day? What's the very
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end of it? You got someone who will and then
love isn't big, kid, it's literally quiet, Let's do today.
Let's do today. I think you'll turn out to like it.
I forgot my own alrit That's very much like where
I'm at. It's like one day at a time, be here, present,
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Oh man, I'm so grateful that you guys took the
time to be on Taking a Walk. Congrats on what
no One's thinking and the rest of the tour including
the Hollywood Bowl. My god, I'm so excited for you guys,
Jack and Ryan.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
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Speaker 4 (25:50):
Man, awesome. Thanks for having us. This is great.
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
Taking a Walk.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, we have a special happening on the Taking a
Walk podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Jack and Ryan from AJAR.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Welcome, Thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I complete the U the met Trifecta, ad your your
bro on a few months back and had a good
time with him.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I think you're familiar with him, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I know him?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, run into him once in a while.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
But we're going to talk about the new EP and
the Hollywood Bowl and the rest of the tour. I'm
I'm want to ask you what no one's thinking. Hello
and uh. But first before we get started, we like
to ask this question, since we call the podcast taking
a Walk. If you could use your vivid imagination and
(01:59):
you could take a walk with somebody living or dead,
who would you take a walk with? Where would you
take that walk with him?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The first thing that popped into my mind was Steve Jobs,
probably because I know he'd like to take a lot
of walks.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think visionaries like that come once in a generation,
and he just his mind was so ahead of the curve.
He so had his finger on the pulse in terms
of what people enjoy, what people want to consume, the packaging,
how to present it to them, how to combine art
and commerce in the most elegant way. Ever, I do
(02:41):
I think a walk with him would be nice?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Do you think he'd be happy at the state of
the world, particularly when it comes to screen addiction and
things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Probably not, Probably not. I think he was probably more
about sort of innovation and imagination than what Apple has
become more recently.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
That's my guests. Ye're up, Oh me, sorry, Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Our favorite my favorite band is a band called Fountains
of Wayne, and sadly the one of the members, Adam Slessinger,
was lost during COVID. He passed away and I never
got the chance to meet him, and absolutely my favorite
band of all time.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Really shaped the way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I, you know, enjoy music and write and shaped a
lot of our sound and I would have loved to
meet him.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I would definitely take a walk just to let.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Him know, you know, how appreciative I am and get
inside his musical mind.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm so glad you've brought him up, because he was
one of many tragedies during the pandemic and you can't
let you know any of them slip by, know, unless
the ones that touch us in particular, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, very much.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy that feeling of like, because Brian
Wilson was another one of those like for us. He
passed away a month ago. I literally felt like a
family member passed away. It's so crazy, just the connection
you can have with someone that doesn't know about your existence.
That just I'm so connected to your feeling all the
same things that I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
It's kind of like you're my brother.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Your brother.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
By the way, do you have a guess who? His
answer was on the taking a walk question?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Paul Simon bing got wow?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What do you win? What's the prize?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Walk with Simon?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Not too bad? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean and where you guys or are from, and
what you've experienced so much in New York City. There's
got to be thousands of places that you love to
walk in New York City.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean what's so great is that you know, we've
lived here.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I've lived here thirty years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or so, and there's still just like thousands of places
we haven't been. And I'll be walking and be like,
this is a block I haven't been on before, and
it's so small, but it's just so like rich with
you know, locations and place you haven't been.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So we really walk everywhere, honestly, So I got.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Before we get to the New EP I've got a
strange question to ask, what's the weirdest sound or everyday
object that you've ever sampled for an ajar song and
how did it end up on the final track.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Who wants to take that one first?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, I know you have one
in mine. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, just to give a little context, we do like
to sample a lot of kind of weird sounds. I
think when you produce for long enough, you get a
little bit bored of the same kind of snares and
the kind of online sound banks that are available to everybody,
and you start to realize, oh, here's how I make
sounds or drum sonic palettes that are actually unique to
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me that nobody else has used. You start like looking
for real things in your life and recontextualizing them. So
definitely a weird one that we we did was we
sampled the uh I guess. We enlisted the guy the
voice of the New York City subway system, the guy
who goes stand clear of the closing doors please.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
We asked him to record the here we go.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
On bang and that really that was almost like a
fun collaboration more than a sample, because we we weren't
sure exactly what we wanted that sound to be. We
got our dad to record something that was like here
we go, and we got our neighbor to do like
here we go. Like we weren't quite sure what the
affect was, and as soon as he did it, it
was like, oh, there's like there's the alpha guy telling
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me here we go, Like there's a there's a leader
in the room right now. So it really influenced the
direction of the song. But we've yeah, we've sampled like
school bell like recess bells. That's really fun to kind
of when you're bringing in a chorus like kind of
up top sonically above everything else, just kind of catches
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your attention. I think there's something subconscious going on. When
people listen, they're like, oh, time for recess. I should
I should listen. Little things like that, whistles, elephants sound. Yeah,
we've sampled the elephants, horses galloping, Yeah, a lot of
animal stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So I've done a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Who influenced the the sampling of unique sounds in your
in your career?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think it's our love of movies. I think it
probably comes from that. It's very much when we write
it's okay who's our character here? Often it is like
somewhere between me and Jack when we're writing, but like
what's our way in? That's sort of how to make it,
I guess, a more three dimensional song like Okay, this
is a love song, but it's from this like the
(07:59):
most secure part of us or the most desperate part
of us, Like who's this character? And then in terms
of the sound effects, it sort of puts you there,
so like we're not just sampling an elephant randomly, Like
if we want to create the feeling of chaos, unhinged
beat start of the album, that's a place where I
want to tuck in an elephant because I'm just suddenly
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in a movie where the zoo doors break open then
the animals are running rampant around the city. The horse
galloping is like, here's a song about the inspiration of Okay,
I can make my life better. So that's where I'm
hearing the boom the boom put the boom like the
galloping of a horse very much ties into like where
I want to be in.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
The movie.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
All right, Ryan you first, and then Jack favorite movie
of all time and why it just lives in infamy.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm gonna go with you could take, So I'm gonna
go with Social Network.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think it's just it's the most rewatchable movie. The
dialogue just feels like candy. The character is so unlike
like Mark Zuckerbergy's like so unlikable and likable at the
same time. The soundtrack's amazing. I just think it's a
perfect movie. Maybe I'll go. I mean, I've watched this
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movie a million times. I've watched it recently again and
it kind of became my favorite. Maybe Hannah and her
Sisters the Woody Allen movie. I think growing up in
New York, it just encapsulates New York perfectly.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Characters are just so well thought out.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I think my favorite movies are the ones that when
they finish, I can just watch it again from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
And that's probably the main one for me.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
My wife and I just watched it the other night.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We had just gone through a whole Hey, what's our
top twenty or whatever, and then we were like, oh, wait,
we haven't watched Hannah and her Sisters in a while,
and I love it for all the reasons you just described.
It's love letter to you know, New York. And just
the richness of all the characters, so many classic scenes
(10:06):
for sure. Yeah, definitely, So let's talk about what no
one's thinking. First of all, congratulations on it. But it
wasn't supposed to happen this year, Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah? That is correct.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
This year was really supposed to be us only working
on this Broadway show that we're working on. And I
think there was this moment of like weirdness about not
writing something about like like are we still able to
do it? Almost almost like an anxiety, And I think
I came to Ry and were like, let's just try something.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
And it started.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Turning into this group of songs that at first weren't
so great that they were like the starts of something.
And then I think that even frustrated us further. I'm like, wait, no,
have we lost that right?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And then there was a moment where we're like, we
should really kind of get.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Into this a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
And there was a moment where we realized, you know,
the last few years of our life and a little
trying for us, there's been like loss in our family
and career stuff and questions about relationships and all this stuff.
And sorry, our dog is kind of going wild in
front of us right now.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
We encouraged dogs from paying a visit on taking a walk, so.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do not worry.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
In fact, you didn't hear a dog sound being sampled earlier.
It was elm or barking at another Amazon delivery or something.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Okay, I didn't hear it, but.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, what's your dog's name? First of all?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Blue?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Blue? All right? We welcome Blue.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
We have Blue and Shay here.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right, welcome. I see what they're up to.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I know they're friendly. Yeah, sorry, no, just to finish
what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I think we realized that there was a lot
going on in our life and we weren't really tapping
into that. We were maybe suppressing a little bit of it.
And soon as we realize that, it all kind of
came out and we put all of that into the
music and we came up with five songs.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Was there, ever, still, as you had embarked on the process,
still doubt that it wouldn't come together?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I think this new music, more than anything we've made before,
is like directly from our lives in a way.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm trying to think what's different about it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I think we're just like really now, just saying exactly
what we feel how we feel it almost like a
diary entry for whatever reason where we're at in our lives.
That's feeling like the most truthful thing I think in
the past. Obviously all of our songs come from truth,
but we're also balancing how do we make it catchy,
(12:48):
how do we have fun in the way that we
say this, and maybe like use metaphors or whatever, and
that's like a totally valid type of songwriting. Just something
about our headspace now is like, if we're not saying
exactly what we feel the way we feel it, it's disingenuous.
It's not like it's it doesn't feel purposeful. And so
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I think this EP was an extra challenge because we
were like, Okay, we're gonna write we have a song
called a dog song on this EP, and it's from
the point of view of our dog, and that very
much could go in a terrible direction, in a gimmicky
kind of like here's things that dogs do I laid
down for a nap or whatever. It could like turn
(13:29):
into like a funny, gimmicky song. But we were like, no, no,
let's literally demonstrate it exactly what our dog is watching
us do and see from his naive, innocent perspective all
the stuff that's happening in our lives. And so I
think stuff like that is feeling really difficult to write,
but very rewarding to listen.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Back to take us behind the song Betty as well.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, that's another perfect example where me and Jack were
sitting on that track for what two years. Jack came
up with that melody of the chorus of the d
and we were slowly chipping away at it over like
the course of two years. We were we were singing
Bennie instead of Betty. We were going, Benny, I really
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hope you like my style. And it was just nonsense,
but it was fun to say. And and at a
certain point we were like, Okay, let's stop just writing
a song that's just catching and just fun to say.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
What are we feeling me.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And Jack like divulge to our to each other, like
some stuff we were talking about in therapy about like
just like a fear of commitment in general, like in
in our lives, like how uncertain we are about like
what does the rest of our life look like, whether
it be a relationship or career or whatever. And he realized,
oh wait, we're both talking about this in therapy every week, like,
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of course we need to write a song about this.
And at that point we kind of made the turn
to Betty and I really hope you're on Here's like
a realistic look, and I think how a lot of
people our age feel, which is like when you know
you know, is not so obvious, like there's a lot
of other factors and it's not a very sexy, romantic
way to think. But I think it's just a more
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realistic way to think about committing and love.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Talk about some of your other favorites, which I would
imagine would be every song on the EP.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
So let's walk through it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, what am I missing? I'm trying to think whatever.
The big Goodbye, Oh, the big a Bye, Yeah Mayby
we like that took what five years to make? Yeah,
just we had this sample in the beginning of the song. Oh,
this is another good one that we sampled. There's a
song called the Auctioneer. I think that's what the original
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song is called, and it's this barbershop quartet and in
the beginning it's five hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Really give me that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's you know, an auctioneer doing his thing, and we
always thought that was just like so percussive and so
interesting and had never been done before, and we always
wanted to sample it, and Ryan just made a beat
for it and it turned into this like great driving
groove and we just had it forever. And it's tough
to start a song from that place because it's so weird.
(16:12):
It's like, where do you even go from there? What
kind of song is this going to be? So it
took us a really long time to do and eventually
we wrote a very like partyish song and then tried
another partyish song yea like a weird song, and then
eventually it landed on this sort of like emotional story
about someone saying goodbye to their hometown and having mixed
feelings about leaving.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I love that absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I love the honesty and you know the tension of
it as well, you know, so beautifully put together.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Have you ever.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Had a moment with this project or any other project
where there was complete disagreement on a musical direction and then,
if so, how did you?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I feel like at this point we kind of know
what to trust each other for the answers. Yes, but
I think that if Jack comes to me and says,
I promise this melody is catchier than this melody, I'm
just gonna trust him, like he just has the ear
for that. If I come to him and tell him
I promise this line is gonna make people cry and
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this line isn't and we're fighting over it, He's gonna
trust me on that. So I think probably the emotion
is more of my forte and the catchiness, but also
the coolness of the song is more of his forte.
I'm not like, I don't It's not how my brain
works of like is this cool? Are people going to
think this is cool? I just know like I like
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it and it makes me feel something. And Jack's a
little more in tuned with like our kids are age
gonna think this is or too broadway ash and and weird.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
So I'm curious for a band that, as you know,
put its, you know, stake down with sheer independence in
everything that you've done and the way that you've done it.
Do you ever worry that you're going to lose that
independent streak?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, I think we obviously like do a lot of
almost everything ourselves at this point, and it's been out
of necessity. Honestly, Like we grew up, we didn't really
know anybody in the industry. We didn't really have money
to go, you know, pay someone to make a music
video for us, So we just needed to learn all
of these skills. And looking back, I'm really grateful that
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we did, like to be able to to be self
sustainable I guess is the word, and and make all
of the art yourself and kind of have the vision
to complete the whole thing as a package, the artwork
and the music videos and the even the social media,
which is like a form of art.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I guess, the music and the tour.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Like, I'm really grateful that we, out of necessity, needed
to develop all those skills, because I think fans sense it.
I think me as a consumer, I can kind of
tell when an artist got an outside treatment for a
music video and it's like them in the convertible car
or whatever, Like I can kind of feel that someone
else wrote this treatment for a music video for you,
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and this didn't come from your POV. And so that's
all I want to see from artists is I won't
feel connected to you. I want to feel like we're
having an honest conversation, and so I think that's helped
us to have like a more honest conversation with the fans.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, Jack, isn't it gratifying watching other artists take
the independent road?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I think it's leading to a kind of a good,
honest place in music. And I'm glad that we were
you know, have been doing it such a long time,
and we could say we were one of the early
ones on it.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
So how do you guys handle criticism differently compared to
maybe a couple of years back when you know the
world was weird obviously at that time, but how do
you think you're handling of things like that has sort
of evolved and grown.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I think it used to.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We definitely get our fair share of criticism on the
internet and the bad reviews and insults and everything like that.
And I think we've always been a band that's like
either you love us or you hate us, really, and
there's never there's not hasn't been anything in between. It
bothered us when we were first starting out, honestly, as
it bothers everyone, and we couldn't help but check all
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the comments and see what people have to say, and
you almost get like a weird addiction to it, you know,
to checking it, and over the years it's just felt
more like noise to us. I think we've come to
the realization that the things that people don't like about
us are the things that we love about us, the
things that we're really excited to do. In music, for instance,
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you know the bang sample here we go. I could
imagine there's a lot of people that are going, they
sampled the subway guy, and me and Ryan go, yeah,
we sampled the subway guy. So at that point, it's like,
what's really It's kind of a waste of time to
listen when you have the security and confidence in what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But I also think the way you have built and
the way you treat your fan base gives you, you know,
extra leverage and fact of what you can do and
how you're going to approach things because you guys really
respect your fans and and and and treat them like gold.
(21:41):
So I think that goes a long way in this process,
don't you.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think so? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I feel like when we tour, when we come out
on stage, there's just like an understanding, like we're all
friends here, Like we design our show in a way
like within the first four minutes, Jack's like may making
fun of me on stage, like he's like roasting me
and brother band in a brother you way, and like, yeah,
that's basically just our personalities anyway. But it's also a
(22:09):
little bit by design of just like hey, we're we're
in a safe space here, Like I'm not taking anything seriously,
He's not taking it. We might roast you guys at
some point during the show, Like it's kind of this
subconscious thing that we like to establish of like we're
all friends here, we're dancing very weird on stage, feel
free for you guys to also dance very weird. None
(22:29):
of this is said out loud, but it's all just
kind of understood. And so I think that probably really helps.
If you feel like you're in a safe space surrounded
by people that you're already friends with, you could just
kind of like take big swings.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
So there's another milestone that's coming up. You've just you know,
finished a milestone in terms of the Madison Square Garden appearance,
which of course I know you don't take that lightly
at all, And then you've got this other one that
just sort of crept up this little venue called the
Hollywood Bowl on October the fourth. Tell me how this
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feels and the immenseness of it to you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, I mean, there's only a handful of venues I
think in the world that are like truly iconic, that
that are like household names, you know, if you will,
like Madison Square, Garden, Red Rocks, and I'd say Hollywood
Bowl is absolutely up there. And I think it's one
of the last ones that we haven't We actually haven't
(23:32):
seen any shows there before, funny enough, so we haven't
have not been, but obviously we've heard that it's a
magical place. So we're just nothing but excited to kind
of at this point. You know, it's really cool. We've
been doing this twenty years now of being a band
and to still have milestones that we can check off,
especially something so huge, is really exciting.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
So cool. Now is Adam going to be part of that?
Speaker 4 (23:57):
We can disclose that he might in.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Okay, that's disclosing something, right, Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's so great.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Well, in closing, I want to ask you which Ajar
lyric best describes your current mindset.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Hm, hm, I go.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
We have a song called Karma that really holds like
a special place in my heart. It's it's always a
something that I related to. It's the chorus is I've
been so good. I've been helpful and friendly.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I've been so good.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Why am I feeling empty? I've been so good this year.
I've been so good, but it's still getting harder. I've
been so good? Where the hell is the karma? I've
been so good this year? And I always feel like
that life is so up and down and and and
you kind of can't get out of your mind in
terms of like, if I am such a good person,
why are things still going poorly for me?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Where is that karma?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And it's a sort of a part of maybe growing
up trying to get away from that, but it's difficult,
So I always have that on my mind. We have
a line in our song Turning Out Part three that's
don't overthink it. One day at a time, kid, add
up the days? No, no, one day? What's the very
(25:15):
end of it? You got someone who will and then
love isn't big, kid, it's literally quiet, Let's do today.
Let's do today. I think you'll turn out to like it.
I forgot my own alrit That's very much like where
I'm at. It's like one day at a time, be here, present,
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Oh man, I'm so grateful that you guys took the
time to be on Taking a Walk. Congrats on what
no One's thinking and the rest of the tour including
the Hollywood Bowl. My god, I'm so excited for you guys,
Jack and Ryan.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Thanks for being on Taking a Walk.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Man, awesome. Thanks for having us. This is great.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a
Walk podcast. Share this another episode with your friends and
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Speaker 3 (26:06):
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