October 13, 2025 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm buzz night and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast.
This is the podcast we love talking about music history
Delvin Deep and for that we turn over to the
music history desk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
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I'm gonna duck as I say the name, because as
I throw it out there, I'm never sure if he
likes where I'm headed with the name or not. So
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Musical Minutia, Harry Jacobs.
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Speaker 4 (00:47):
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play Michagoths with with Charles on the mattress.
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
Those are the days, as they say, yeah, I'm not
sure what this is, they were, but they were the days.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That was back and then when people say back in
the day, that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
So yeah, So we're going to look at music history
for the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth.
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Speaker 3 (02:45):
Anyway, October thirteenth, The Big day the Beatles. We just
don't miss a week with without something Beatles and today
in nineteen sixty five they recorded a day trip and
we can work it out at Abbey Road Studios. It
was it took him twelve hours to record each of those,
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you know, two and a half three minute songs.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So justin from the cheese shop and conquered one of
our loyal fans. He sent me this screenshot. Artist with
the most weeks at number one the Beatles at one
hundred and thirty two weeks, followed by number two. Who
do you think that is?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I would say maybe Michael Jackson. I'm you know, I
don't know. I'm not a monster pop guy, but Michael
Jackson is probably what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's a pretty interesting list.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's Taylor Swift eighty six weeks at number two, followed
by Elvis Presley at sixty seven weeks, followed by Garth Brooks,
Oh gosh, fifty two weeks, yeah, followed by Michael Jackson
at fifty one, and then the next one is the
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one that really throws me and I will stop there
no disrespect to them, yes, but at forty six weeks
the Kingston Trio.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Out, get the get the f out of here? Really
the Kingston Trio. Yeah, can you even name a song
by the Kingston Trio? Not the Moment, Let Me Go to,
Let Me.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Go to, Let me Go to, Claude dot Ai and
and get you a list of Kingston Trio songs.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I was gonna say for the Going Down the Rabbit Hole,
I was gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Say puff the Magic Dragon, but I think that's Peter
Paul and Mary.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you're off, you're off, your your hippie music is off.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh that's before hippie music.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, this is thank you justin. By the way, I
still haven't received my Brie, but it's pretty interesting to
me that Taylor Swift is number two to the Beatles
eighty six versus one hundred and whatever it is, one
hundred and thirty nine. She's going to catch them, right,
She's going to catch them, and she's going to surpass
the Beatles. I guarantee you that's gonna be something that's
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gonna happen, you know, in in short order, better slice.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Of Rare breed with Justin on that one.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, rare Okay, I will absolutely What.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Is your opinion, maybe somewhat controversial as well, is your
opinion that Taylor Swift maybe not now, but it could
be bigger than the Beatles, man, and there are a
number of different factors there, right, that's not just a blanket.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Obviously, fan wise, music sales wise, she's probably crushed them
already or wise crushed them.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Beatles didn't, you know, weren't a big touring band.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I'm thinking of the other here, you and obviously.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know, the first thing I'm drawn to is the
value of the catalog, right, I would I would throw
that in so I would think she has a chance
to surpass them at least in some of these metrics.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, that's a good quest. I mean, that's that's the
research guy in you.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
What are the metrics are we talking about here in
terms of overall numbers?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The smart question, I think, and I'm not home today
I'm on the road.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Ordinarily I'd be able to jump onto Claude.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'd go, okay, at this moment, how many albums has
she sold?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
How many tickets as she sold?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
How many you know, whatever those other criteria are. We
can look at things anyway that we want, and we
can ask Claude to search those things comparative or compared
to the Beatles and listen to beat played some big gigs,
but the Beatles didn't didn't sell out all over the
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world in the in the crazy fashion that Tailert Swift has.
So I think that I think there were probably a
number of things where Taylor Swift, just because of the
times that we're living in, has just destroyed the Beatles
on some of those fronts.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, they were limited on the tour front for sure.
In looking at at Claude for this answer there, I
think I need to put a better criteria in. So
maybe you could, you could further uh, you could further stall.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
For me, absolutely, I'm happy to stall.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
What I'm going to do is you're doing that is
I'm going to talk about a couple of other things
on this day that have happened that are that are
things we don't necessarily need a ton of comment on
the first is that Janis Joplin's ashes were scattered on
this day the coast California. We talked about her death
(08:01):
not long ago. We talked about the historic RECORDINGO Mercedes Benz,
her last recording nineteen seventy Gone Way too Soon, part
of this twenty seven club, and it was.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, it was a huge hit for music.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
This was not as much as this was a great
time for music when you think about the loss of
you know, artists and the loss of people in our
country with MLK and RFK, you know, in sixty eight
and you know, Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, this was a rough time for US as
a country on multiple levels.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, and these young deaths were mysterious for sure. Immediately,
people i think deferred to the notion that they were
you know, drug related. That was the first thought. And
certainly the lifestyle was ragged and rugged for sure. But
who knows what the other other reasons in many of
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these cases for their departure from this earth. But you know,
there was great sadness among the generation for those losses,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Listen, drugs don't come with a warning label. It's bad,
and they're bad for a number of different reasons. But
when you talk about some of the drugs that these
folks were doing back in those days, heroin and other
things that people just didn't understand, you know, this is
obviously a different topic, different tangent, probably a different podcast even.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But look at people like Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
They got clean one day and then months or a
year later thought well, I can go do what I
did before, and they overdose, right, they don't. There are
no warning labels, there's no one, there's no drug counselor
saying Okay, if you're going to get high, don't do this,
do this and make sure that someone's with you. So
(10:03):
you don't you know, so you don't you know. It's
just it's awful. It's an awful thing. It's an epidemic
in our country and famly other places too.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
But it is for sure, I do have a little
info the Era's tour for Taylor Swift. According to Claude,
it grows more than two billion in ticket sales. It
was the first tour to gross one billion in revenue
and the highest grossing tour in history. But I don't
have a career total in terms of her ticket sales.
(10:34):
But the more I think about your point, no disrespect
as a lover of the Beatles, for sure, and respect
Taylor for what she has built and continues to build.
But I do think it's probably, among various criteria accurate
(10:55):
to suggest she will surpass the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, and this is the last, my last comming on and.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Some people are probably cringing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
There may be cringing, course they are.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm cringing too, And listen, I can't tell you the
name of more than two of her songs.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I appreciate it, appreciate what she does, but the reality
is that this is a different era.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This is like comparing you know, when people talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sports people, who's the best basketball player of all time?
You know, do you look at you know, do we
go back to, you know, to the early days. Do
you go back to like Bill Russell, John Havelchek, or
do you look at Michael Jordan Or are people going
to say, well, Lebron is the best? It's all you know,
It's it's eraspecific. There weren't It wasn't apples and apples
(11:43):
when Michael Jordan was playing versus Lebron playing now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right, well different.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Times and also adding in another analysis of let's think
of the television landscape back when there was only you know,
three networks and the way you know, viewership was split
for you know, late night television among the three networks. Obviously,
no question, you know, Johnny Carson was the king during
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that particular time, but those other.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Two shows, considering what they drew, you know that we're.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Up against Carson pretty stellar audiences as well, you know, Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's amazing, Yeah, it's amazing. They did amazing work. So
nineteen eighty four Buzz on October thirteenth, this is a
historic event. Stevie Ray Vaughan performed at Austin City Limits.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I don't know if you remember that show. There's a
video all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
There's an interesting thing to me that happened during that show.
I always go back to the guitars because that's what
I that's my musical thing. But there was an an
event that happened that happens to guitar players all the time,
and that was during the song Little Sister, TV. Ray
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broke a guitar string and instead of just playing through it,
and they could see clearly in the video, the string
pops off and it goes, it goes crazy. A guitar
tech walks out on stage with another strap and and
simultaneously Stevie takes one guitar off, the guitar tech puts
(13:22):
the other guitar on. Mid song, they plug him in
and he doesn't miss a beat. I've never seen anything
like it. It was like, hey, can you do this?
Like that's not something you practice for, that's not.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
He was of another he was of another land, you know,
another other ilk. Yeah, I've seen similar, you know, illustrations
of that, and I think it's it's fascinating just how
you talk about improvising on the fly, right.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, I've never seen it other than with him, and
I thought it was just unevable to see. October fourteenth,
nineteen sixty eight, led Zeppelin performed and they were billed
as the new Yardbirds. I don't think I realized until
I saw Becoming led Zeppelin that they actually used the
(14:16):
Yardbirds name for a minute. Obviously they were born out
of the Yardbirds, but.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, I didn't realize they used it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I didn't either.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
They played at Surrey University in England, and in seventy
seven Bowie released Heroes and you know, I always liked it.
You don't know about you, but when The Wallflowers came
out with their version, I got a new appreciation for
the song in general.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
But I always loved the song.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I always loved the song. I would say my appreciation
grew at those moments when you know, in some form,
let's say, as a backdrop on TV to the passing
of somebody that they were memorializing and then playing Heroes
in the background a montage or whatever, just kind of
(15:08):
you know, whoever had passed on at that point, I remember,
I don't know, just discovering it differently, loving it differently
because I always liked it, and you know, and maybe
not always the biggest Bowie fan at that time, but
the song really did, you know, take on different meaning
through tragedy.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, I don't know that I was ever a super
fan really ever, but there were always you know, there's
just a list of songs that you can rattle off and.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Go, wow, that's a great song.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh yeah, for Suffragette City, Panic and Detroit Heroes, Rebel,
Rebel barn Burner, right, just I mean there's a bunch
of you know, great songs in that catalog, that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
In nineteen eighty, the Talking Heads released Remain in Lights
and that featured Once in a Lifetime.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Love that song?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
How did they give here?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I love?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I loved having Jerry Harrison on taking a walk celebrating
the fortieth anniversary of one of the great concert films
of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Stopped making sense?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, what was there anything surprising that came out of
that conversation with him?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Just how.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, in the current times, just how vital he
still is and excited about things that he still is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I hadn't really.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Focused as much until preparing for that interview about the
other work that he had done with, you know, with
various artists, you know, such as Live I think as
one of those artists that he produced, So I hadn't
realized his other sort of producer work.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And then the last part was surprising.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I didn't really know the current still connection between he
and particularly David.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Byrne, but it's I was like, they're still tight, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think it's great when you hear these stories of
guys that are just really still connected it at some level.
You know, Jagger and Richards clearly are an example, you
know where they put whatever differences because there was awful mosity. Yeah,
I'm sure back when Keith was really drugging. But between
those two guys, and you know, they were notoriously at
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each other. You know, Jimmy Page talks, so it's such
a lovely way about about Plant and John Paul Jones
and and John Bonham. Yep, you know, I just I
just heard something very interesting and we're going to talk
about Let's let me see if we have another led
Zeppelin story real quick, and uh yeah, we do, so
(17:45):
I'll get to I gotta I got a led Zeppelin
story about what leeds up, what Zeppelin may have done,
or John's death, what they were planning to do before
he died.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So you're teasing, you're teasing the head.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I like that little teas and I actually went, this
is very funny with Claude, It's serendipitous. But I did
a little bit of research on this with Claude as well.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
With Claude AI, So we'll talk about that in just
a few minutes. October fifteenth. None of the Beatles' story.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Beatles made their debut their first gig at Homburg's iSER
Keller Club in nineteen sixty with Who playing the drums.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
With Pete Best.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right in Best Best and now in one second, we
may have to pause. Here, I'm at leaner. She's got
these two due hours and hey, get in the house.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
What is it? A dog? A cat? Two us two
two hours. They are the al Qaeda of the dog world.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I love and I love all animals, but these
dogs just want to They have no sense of their side,
They have no sense of what anything or anyone could
do to them.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
They just want to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They do they have a sense of self though.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, oh, they are the MS thirteen of the dog world.
You don't mess with us. We mess with you. You think
you're waiting for trouble. Oh no, we are the trouble.
We are the ones that knock anyway. So I just
put those monsters inside. Nineteen seventy three, October fifteenth, Keith
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Richards fine for possession of cannabis in France. It's amazing
to me that we were jailing people for weed.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, yeah, now you have legal substances, legal betting, what's next?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh no, I never in a million I never thought
in my lifetime that I'd be able to go to
the weed store and buy gummy so that I could
actually fall asleep.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I never never had a problem sleeping until I became
an old man.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And now God bless the weed stores, in my opinion,
bless the power.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Of the gummy.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Nineteen seventy six songs in the Kilife hit number one
in the US. We talked about how important that out was. Oh,
a couple of weeks back. It didn't take it very
long to make it there. Nineteen ninety, the Rock Hall
of Fame inducted the Who, Simon and Garfunkele and the
Kinks as part of that Class of nineteen ninety. Big
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deal for all of them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well yeah, especially the ones that were always fighting, such
as the Davis brothers Davies brothers.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I like I say, I say Davies.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I think they say Davis. But it's Ray Davies day, Dave.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Ray and Dave Davies, right, they were at each other.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But don't they say Davis? Then doesn't some people pronounce
it that way?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
They may that's the bridge, all right. They don't know,
they don't know from what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And you got two groups, by the way, of folks
that are notorious for fighting. You got the davis Is
if you will, and then you got Simon and Garfunkel.
Oh yeah, you know, like a couple of thugs on
a street corner.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, they've since reconciled well. And by the way, the
who has had a couple tumbles here and there as.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, Yeah they have they Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So you got three, three groups of of folks that
didn't all get along right.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
In nineteen sixty two, the Beatles actually signed their first
up a recording contract with EMI at Abbey Road Studios.
Fix the eight Cream began their phil Farewell Tour. Their
first stop was Oakland, and Cretan's officially announced their breakup
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in seventy two.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
So a lot. This is a very interesting week.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
This is a two page week for me as I
sit here and look at the notes, and there's really
still very little that I can eliminate. This is a
long episode because a lot of stuff happened in this week.
Think about it, you know, September things are things are happening.
Are twelve rather, things are happening. People are out of
the summer, dul drums and albums are coming out, movies
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are coming out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's important.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, you know, they don't call you the manager of
musical Minutia for nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
This week was complete Michigos trying to pull this together.
So yeah, manager of Minutia and michigs. This is an
interesting story. I didn't know about this. In two thousand
and one, the estates of Artemis Pyle and Ronnie van
Zandt and Steve Gaines.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Dude over the making of the movie Free Bird. Did
you ever see that movie Free Bird?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Did not?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I think I want to see it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I'm like, you know when I was when that album
One More from the Road came out. I remember being
at summer camp that summer and like hearing Gimme Three
Steps in Sweep Home, Alabama for the first time on
you know, a rock radio, and I remember just being
completely enthralled with Leonard Scanner.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That started it for me when I was ten years old.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And this movie Freebird is based in part around that
period of time when they did that show at the
at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, and then there's a
bunch of footage apparently shot and floor in other places,
but I'm I'm gonna watch that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Movie and give you some insight on it. I'm a
huge skinnered fan.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And there's still people, you know, within that camp that
I think they were original members and are not considered original.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So there's still some of that tussling and infighting. There's
a lighting, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys al Cooper running around,
you know.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I saw him with I think I saw al Cooper
with Marty.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Marty Schwartz, one of the big guitar teachers on YouTube
showing us how to play Sweet Home Alabama as a
guitar player or right of passages to learn those three
chords D, C, and G, And then I watched al
Kooper play it. He claims he wrote the lick. I
don't know if he did or not. You know, another
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one of those people running around saying I was an
original member, but he plays it differently than than we
all learned how to play it when we were.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Kids as our first song. So yeah, there are people
running around talking a bunch of smack.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Whether it's true or not, they're they're running their mouths
about it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I had Ricky medlock on yeah, and Ricky Ricky Medlock
still to this day, uh feels a sense of bitterness
that when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction
occurred that he was not considered kind of an original member,
and he feels he's got, you know, specific documentation to
(24:52):
that fact, so it still stings for him. He did
not mince words on how he feels he's been treated,
at least in terms of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's an interesting back to bring up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I didn't you know, I guess I remember listening to
the Ricky Medlock thing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
What was he around in the beginning in the in
the early days.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Do you recall him saying, you know, for the first
few albums or through Street Survivors or I mean Street
Survivors obviously is the is the mark right when people
say I was an original member, you were either part
of that band prior to Street Survivors when the crash happened,
probably or not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He was in, he was out, and then he was
back in.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So I think because there was some hiatus period however long,
I think he wasn't treated as, as you know, one
of the original members. And according to Claude AI, the
current lineup is is Johnny Van zandt, Ricky Medlock and
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then I gotta be honest, a bunch of people I
have no idea who they are, with all due respect,
Damon Johnson on guitar, Mark Sparky Matteka on guitar, Michael
Cardolone his name is familiar on drums, Keith Christopher bass,
Peter Keys keyboards, Carol Chase backing vocals, Stacy Michelle backing vocals.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So it's pretty much Johnny and Ricky, you.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Know the thing about that band, And there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Of bands, you know, you can look at bands like
Chicago as an example, who you know they have one
one horn player right, trumper player or who that's right?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And he was Do you had him right? I did,
Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Did, so he he's the one remaining member of that band.
One of the things about Skinner that's great is Johnny
Van's aunt sounds just like his brother.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Oh yeah right, So you could see Leonard's skinned. It's
unlike seeing Journey.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
With oh his name, the karaoke guy, the karaoke guy
who was frighteningly similar to Steve Perry. But you can
see that band and you can hear his brother in him,
and that's what's kind of frightening to me about about that?
In a good way? Yep, with skinners. I'm gonna go
down the I'm gonna go down the Ricky Medlocks rabbit hole.
(27:26):
I'm gonna use claud Ai. I'm going to use a
couple of other sources that I have, but I'm very
curious about Ricky's involvement when he says he was involved,
and I'm gonna go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I may or may not.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Report back that, maybe under the cover of michig OSTs.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
But you know, I'm gonna probably drive myself a little
crazy there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It's over seventeenth of nineteen eighty, Springsteen played his first
concert in New Jersey after the release of the River
Big Deals double albums there. This was also on the
heat of I think there were five No Nukes shows
(28:06):
near the end of September that happened, and he was
playing if you remember watching the video and.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You know, hearing the bootlegs from that, I went to
one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I went to one of them.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Did you really went to the garden?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Oh you you have the floor? Then I got I got,
I got shipped to say, as they say, your talk
it's your turn.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, I mean, oh, the whole the whole experience was
a complete, you know, mind blowing experience in terms of
the performances, and Bruce's.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Was no exception.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Obviously is one of the great performances, certainly from Bruce
of many right, But it was a it was an
overwhelming experience in terms of just the amount of music
that you saw. But I didn't realize where you were
going that that that event, him playing at that event
was sort of adjacent to him doing these other big dates.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It makes sense, yeah, And to me it's interesting because
he played and the music was received with such mirror
and excitement from people. When he played the River or
you know, other songs from that album, I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
He played Barry Darling or he played it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You know, I got to go back and look at
what the setlist is. I should have probably prepped this
part of it better. But he played songs that people
didn't know at that point, buggs that hadn't been released,
that he hadn't played, and that was also for me,
a little personal piece of it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I didn't get to.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Know Nukes, but when I met Rob Barnett the first
time in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I remember this like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He was wearing a River Tour jacket that he had
gotten from Bruce, or from John, or from someone he
worked for Columbia. He was wearing a River pinny. He
had all this Bruce stuff. This was before I was
really deep into Bruce. And and that's a memory that
I have is meeting Rob Barnett on the heels of
that tour, not meeting John Landau, not meeting Maxim Weinberger,
(30:13):
Roy Bitten or Bruce.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I met Rob Barnett.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So that tour came out and he was the college
rep at that point he had come out of like
you know, Boston College or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I had forgotten that part of his career.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Wow, Yeah, it would be interesting. I got to reach
out to him and say, give me a little give
me a little bit of that story. He'd be saying,
he's such a good guest. You've had him on. He
talked about the Nirvana thing at MTV. But that guy,
in my opinion, is a music college. Oh yeah, Like
if I get if I get hit by a truck tomorrow,
you got to call Barnett, right, You got to see
(30:48):
if Barnett can do this because he'd do it a
thousand times better than I could.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
And he's got the stories right, he lived so much
of it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, don't manager of Musical Minutia, don't sell yourself short,
please all.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Right, October eighteenth, we got two more days. I'm gonna
blast throw them buzz. I know we're probably now that
we're tight on time.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's not like radio or not like we get to
hit you know, we've probably hit the commercial breaks already.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
We mentioned Claude AI.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
By the way, we're gonna pre promote that we're going
to be doing a little something with the Springsteen movie.
If I may, you may, may, I may I. So
there's a lot going on. The sponsors will be taken
care of. They'll be well taken care of. Nineteen sixty six,
October eighteenth, Jimmy Hendrix The Jimmy Hendricks Experience played their
first show at the Olympia in Paris.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I didn't know that. I didn't know they debuted in Paris,
did you?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I would have given anything to be there for that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Huh, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Crazy nineteen sixty nine Temptations hit number one with I
Can't Get next to you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
That's one of those songs that if it comes on.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Radio or someone or the iPad or iPod or someone's
bastard of the party, I stop and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Go hang on a second, I gotta I gotta listen
to this. You can't not tap your feet to that song.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It's just such a that song almost borders on rock.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's with its fat Yeah. I officially get my jiggy
on when that's.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
On, But really, is that like your happy dance or
what is the jiggy?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I just get my jiggy, man, my jiggy's on.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You know what's funny to me is when guys like us,
men of a particular age, Oh stop it try to
be hip.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh stop, I get my jiggy on.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I get my jiggy on, man.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And then you get your jiggy on, and undoubtedly someone
in the crowd goes, do you want to call nine
to one one? Is he wearing an apple? Is he
wearing an Apple watch? It may notify the authorities. He
got his jiggy on, but he got what happened to it?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But he his hamstring is now got a problem.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
We're gonna hit him with a narkhan because his Jiggy
came on out of the blue.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Nineteen seventy five, Simon our Funcle reunited the Speaking of
the half Fields and McCoy's of.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Music and the Davises and the Who.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They got together in nineteen seventy five and performed on
Saturday Night Lot.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
They had a little reunion. It was a great performance.
By the way, it was nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Bon Jovi released New Jersey, banged out a bunch of
singles out of that, and the last day of the week,
October nineteenth.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Of course we've got three big ones.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
We got a Beatles related, we got a Zeppelin, we
got a Bowie. Nineteen sixty eight, Lennon and Yoko are
arrested in London for possession of cannabis, the second marijuana.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Arrest on this week in music history.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And this day we got Keith Richards on October fifteenth,
and you know, a few days later in history, we
got John and Yoko.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Austin fer Weed.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Nineteen seventy led Zeppelin three reached number one on the
UK charts.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I teased this a few minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I just saw an interview with Jimmy Page where he
was talking about the death of John Bonham and what
may have become of led Zeppelin after In Through the Outdoor.
And I found it so fascinating because I had never
heard this before, that John Paul Jones had bought a
big sythesizer. I forget what it's called exactly, but it's
(34:24):
like the moog, right, remember the Emerson Lake and Palmer.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
It was like one of those devices, a big pit
the sider kind of device.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And John Paul Jones and John Bonham and Jimmy Page
were all talking about the direction that they were going next,
and they were going back to heavy guitars, right.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They took I.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Think what you heard a little bit on In Through
the Outdoor with heavy keyboards, right, John Paul Jones's influence,
and they were going to add to that synthesizers like
in Care or Salambra in the evening, and they were
going to just bust it out with the guitars again.
And to me, it really got me excited for a
(35:10):
minute for what could have been. Oh yeah, because think
about it, you know sixty eight, you know, through In
Through the Outdoor in nineteen eighty, the band really rocked
really well. In Through the Outdoor was a different deal
tonically and to know that that's the direction they were
headed in, was to add the synthesizers from In through
(35:33):
the Outdoor, which we both loved that album totally, and
then you know, get back into you know, maybe a
great lick like a whole Lot of Love or heartbreaker
or communication.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
To break down or something comes out of whatever's next.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
But it would it would be wonderful to have heard,
you know, what could have happened.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I wonder if there are tapes, What if there's stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That maybe they recorded and left on the cutting room
floor that we never got to hear.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
More than likely yeah, because I don't think they would
be of an organization that would be releasing that stuff.
I don't feel like that's their mo unlike some other bands.
So I'm sure there's stuff sitting somewhere.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It would be amazing if they did. My question for
them would be why not.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know, you can make a few bucks, you can
sit at the desk again, you can produce some led
Zeppelin music, which all of us would be new, And
how fun would that be if we can't get to
see them, If they're not going to take all the
money in the world, and let's face it there, and
I know firsthand that there was a a hell of
cat or to them to the two show in twenty twelve,
(36:45):
and know it from Rich Creswick and Brian Kabasnik who
were there, who were part of that group of folks
that were round them during that time that said basically,
name your price, and they wouldn't do it to continue
on on.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't think Robert Plant's going to budget there you go.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Nineteen seventy three, Bowie retired, Ziggy Star US Farewell costic
film release and the Last Story of the Day had
a sad one. Two thousand and three October nineteenth, Ammy
Whitehouse released her debut album, Frank.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
In the United Fingom.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We had a.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Bragick ending.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It sure did.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
What a week?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I mean, I need a nap.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I'm exhaust.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I'm standing outside in lovely Docremento, California.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
We're by the way. It's beautiful right.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Now as I do this, and I'm going a cigar
and I have some notes in front of me and
a cup of coffee and I'm just I'm in a
different spot.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Than I usually am at the Michigan desk.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So the great Day it's a great week, Harry, thank
you so much for this week in music history for
the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth. And we
appreciate your work and we appreciate all you Liss listening
to the Take on a Walk podcast
I'm buzz night and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast.
This is the podcast we love talking about music history
Delvin Deep and for that we turn over to the
music history desk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I have a new name for him.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I'm gonna duck as I say the name, because as
I throw it out there, I'm never sure if he
likes where I'm headed with the name or not. So
we're going to turn it over to the manager of
Musical Minutia, Harry Jacobs.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What do you think of that? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I love that musical Minusia and Michigas. Probably you could
add to that as well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We would credit Charles Locodera the great wbcn DJ for Michigas, right, remember.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
That absolutely a thousand percent. I remember it.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It was a big deal for people to get to
play Michagoths with with Charles on the mattress.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That's right, BNZLX, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Those are the days, as they say, yeah, I'm not
sure what this is, they were, but they were the days.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That was back and then when people say back in
the day, that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yes, got the mattress BCNZLX.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So yeah, So we're going to look at music history
for the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth.
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Speaker 4 (02:19):
Right, it's even better. It's symbiotic.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
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Speaker 3 (02:45):
Anyway, October thirteenth, The Big day the Beatles. We just
don't miss a week with without something Beatles and today
in nineteen sixty five they recorded a day trip and
we can work it out at Abbey Road Studios. It
was it took him twelve hours to record each of those,
(03:07):
you know, two and a half three minute songs.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So justin from the cheese shop and conquered one of
our loyal fans. He sent me this screenshot. Artist with
the most weeks at number one the Beatles at one
hundred and thirty two weeks, followed by number two. Who
do you think that is?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I would say maybe Michael Jackson. I'm you know, I
don't know. I'm not a monster pop guy, but Michael
Jackson is probably what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's a pretty interesting list.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
It's Taylor Swift eighty six weeks at number two, followed
by Elvis Presley at sixty seven weeks, followed by Garth Brooks,
Oh gosh, fifty two weeks, yeah, followed by Michael Jackson
at fifty one, and then the next one is the
(04:05):
one that really throws me and I will stop there
no disrespect to them, yes, but at forty six weeks
the Kingston Trio.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Out, get the get the f out of here? Really
the Kingston Trio. Yeah, can you even name a song
by the Kingston Trio? Not the Moment, Let Me Go to,
Let Me.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Go to, Let me Go to, Claude dot Ai and
and get you a list of Kingston Trio songs.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I was gonna say for the Going Down the Rabbit Hole,
I was gonna.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Say puff the Magic Dragon, but I think that's Peter
Paul and Mary.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you're off, you're off, your your hippie music is off.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh that's before hippie music.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, this is thank you justin. By the way, I
still haven't received my Brie, but it's pretty interesting to
me that Taylor Swift is number two to the Beatles
eighty six versus one hundred and whatever it is, one
hundred and thirty nine. She's going to catch them, right,
She's going to catch them, and she's going to surpass
the Beatles. I guarantee you that's gonna be something that's
(05:12):
gonna happen, you know, in in short order, better slice.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Of Rare breed with Justin on that one.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Okay, rare Okay, I will absolutely What.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Is your opinion, maybe somewhat controversial as well, is your
opinion that Taylor Swift maybe not now, but it could
be bigger than the Beatles, man, and there are a
number of different factors there, right, that's not just a blanket.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Obviously, fan wise, music sales wise, she's probably crushed them
already or wise crushed them.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Beatles didn't, you know, weren't a big touring band.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I'm thinking of the other here, you and obviously.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know, the first thing I'm drawn to is the
value of the catalog, right, I would I would throw
that in so I would think she has a chance
to surpass them at least in some of these metrics.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, that's a good quest. I mean, that's that's the
research guy in you.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
What are the metrics are we talking about here in
terms of overall numbers?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The smart question, I think, and I'm not home today
I'm on the road.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Ordinarily I'd be able to jump onto Claude.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'd go, okay, at this moment, how many albums has
she sold?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
How many tickets as she sold?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
How many you know, whatever those other criteria are. We
can look at things anyway that we want, and we
can ask Claude to search those things comparative or compared
to the Beatles and listen to beat played some big gigs,
but the Beatles didn't didn't sell out all over the
(07:05):
world in the in the crazy fashion that Tailert Swift has.
So I think that I think there were probably a
number of things where Taylor Swift, just because of the
times that we're living in, has just destroyed the Beatles
on some of those fronts.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, they were limited on the tour front for sure.
In looking at at Claude for this answer there, I
think I need to put a better criteria in. So
maybe you could, you could further uh, you could further stall.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
For me, absolutely, I'm happy to stall.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
What I'm going to do is you're doing that is
I'm going to talk about a couple of other things
on this day that have happened that are that are
things we don't necessarily need a ton of comment on
the first is that Janis Joplin's ashes were scattered on
this day the coast California. We talked about her death
(08:01):
not long ago. We talked about the historic RECORDINGO Mercedes Benz,
her last recording nineteen seventy Gone Way too Soon, part
of this twenty seven club, and it was.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, it was a huge hit for music.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
This was not as much as this was a great
time for music when you think about the loss of
you know, artists and the loss of people in our
country with MLK and RFK, you know, in sixty eight
and you know, Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I mean, this was a rough time for US as
a country on multiple levels.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, and these young deaths were mysterious for sure. Immediately,
people i think deferred to the notion that they were
you know, drug related. That was the first thought. And
certainly the lifestyle was ragged and rugged for sure. But
who knows what the other other reasons in many of
(09:09):
these cases for their departure from this earth. But you know,
there was great sadness among the generation for those losses,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Listen, drugs don't come with a warning label. It's bad,
and they're bad for a number of different reasons. But
when you talk about some of the drugs that these
folks were doing back in those days, heroin and other
things that people just didn't understand, you know, this is
obviously a different topic, different tangent, probably a different podcast even.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But look at people like Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
They got clean one day and then months or a
year later thought well, I can go do what I
did before, and they overdose, right, they don't. There are
no warning labels, there's no one, there's no drug counselor
saying Okay, if you're going to get high, don't do this,
do this and make sure that someone's with you. So
(10:03):
you don't you know, so you don't you know. It's
just it's awful. It's an awful thing. It's an epidemic
in our country and famly other places too.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
But it is for sure, I do have a little
info the Era's tour for Taylor Swift. According to Claude,
it grows more than two billion in ticket sales. It
was the first tour to gross one billion in revenue
and the highest grossing tour in history. But I don't
have a career total in terms of her ticket sales.
(10:34):
But the more I think about your point, no disrespect
as a lover of the Beatles, for sure, and respect
Taylor for what she has built and continues to build.
But I do think it's probably, among various criteria accurate
(10:55):
to suggest she will surpass the Beatles.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, and this is the last, my last comming on and.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Some people are probably cringing.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
There may be cringing, course they are.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I'm cringing too, And listen, I can't tell you the
name of more than two of her songs.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I appreciate it, appreciate what she does, but the reality
is that this is a different era.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
This is like comparing you know, when people talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sports people, who's the best basketball player of all time?
You know, do you look at you know, do we
go back to, you know, to the early days. Do
you go back to like Bill Russell, John Havelchek, or
do you look at Michael Jordan Or are people going
to say, well, Lebron is the best? It's all you know,
It's it's eraspecific. There weren't It wasn't apples and apples
(11:43):
when Michael Jordan was playing versus Lebron playing now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right, well different.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Times and also adding in another analysis of let's think
of the television landscape back when there was only you know,
three networks and the way you know, viewership was split
for you know, late night television among the three networks. Obviously,
no question, you know, Johnny Carson was the king during
(12:11):
that particular time, but those other.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Two shows, considering what they drew, you know that we're.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Up against Carson pretty stellar audiences as well, you know, Oh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's amazing, Yeah, it's amazing. They did amazing work. So
nineteen eighty four Buzz on October thirteenth, this is a
historic event. Stevie Ray Vaughan performed at Austin City Limits.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I don't know if you remember that show. There's a
video all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
There's an interesting thing to me that happened during that show.
I always go back to the guitars because that's what
I that's my musical thing. But there was an an
event that happened that happens to guitar players all the time,
and that was during the song Little Sister, TV. Ray
(13:01):
broke a guitar string and instead of just playing through it,
and they could see clearly in the video, the string
pops off and it goes, it goes crazy. A guitar
tech walks out on stage with another strap and and
simultaneously Stevie takes one guitar off, the guitar tech puts
(13:22):
the other guitar on. Mid song, they plug him in
and he doesn't miss a beat. I've never seen anything
like it. It was like, hey, can you do this?
Like that's not something you practice for, that's not.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
He was of another he was of another land, you know,
another other ilk. Yeah, I've seen similar, you know, illustrations
of that, and I think it's it's fascinating just how
you talk about improvising on the fly, right.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, I've never seen it other than with him, and
I thought it was just unevable to see. October fourteenth,
nineteen sixty eight, led Zeppelin performed and they were billed
as the new Yardbirds. I don't think I realized until
I saw Becoming led Zeppelin that they actually used the
(14:16):
Yardbirds name for a minute. Obviously they were born out
of the Yardbirds, but.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah, I didn't realize they used it.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I didn't either.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
They played at Surrey University in England, and in seventy
seven Bowie released Heroes and you know, I always liked it.
You don't know about you, but when The Wallflowers came
out with their version, I got a new appreciation for
the song in general.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
But I always loved the song.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I always loved the song. I would say my appreciation
grew at those moments when you know, in some form,
let's say, as a backdrop on TV to the passing
of somebody that they were memorializing and then playing Heroes
in the background a montage or whatever, just kind of
(15:08):
you know, whoever had passed on at that point, I remember,
I don't know, just discovering it differently, loving it differently
because I always liked it, and you know, and maybe
not always the biggest Bowie fan at that time, but
the song really did, you know, take on different meaning
through tragedy.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, I don't know that I was ever a super
fan really ever, but there were always you know, there's
just a list of songs that you can rattle off and.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Go, wow, that's a great song.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh yeah, for Suffragette City, Panic and Detroit Heroes, Rebel,
Rebel barn Burner, right, just I mean there's a bunch
of you know, great songs in that catalog, that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
In nineteen eighty, the Talking Heads released Remain in Lights
and that featured Once in a Lifetime.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Love that song?
Speaker 4 (15:58):
How did they give here?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I love?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I loved having Jerry Harrison on taking a walk celebrating
the fortieth anniversary of one of the great concert films
of all time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Stopped making sense?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, what was there anything surprising that came out of
that conversation with him?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Just how.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, in the current times, just how vital he
still is and excited about things that he still is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I hadn't really.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Focused as much until preparing for that interview about the
other work that he had done with, you know, with
various artists, you know, such as Live I think as
one of those artists that he produced, So I hadn't
realized his other sort of producer work.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And then the last part was surprising.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I didn't really know the current still connection between he
and particularly David.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Byrne, but it's I was like, they're still tight, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think it's great when you hear these stories of
guys that are just really still connected it at some level.
You know, Jagger and Richards clearly are an example, you
know where they put whatever differences because there was awful mosity. Yeah,
I'm sure back when Keith was really drugging. But between
those two guys, and you know, they were notoriously at
(17:23):
each other. You know, Jimmy Page talks, so it's such
a lovely way about about Plant and John Paul Jones
and and John Bonham. Yep, you know, I just I
just heard something very interesting and we're going to talk
about Let's let me see if we have another led
Zeppelin story real quick, and uh yeah, we do, so
(17:45):
I'll get to I gotta I got a led Zeppelin
story about what leeds up, what Zeppelin may have done,
or John's death, what they were planning to do before
he died.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So you're teasing, you're teasing the head.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I like that little teas and I actually went, this
is very funny with Claude, It's serendipitous. But I did
a little bit of research on this with Claude as well.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
With Claude AI, So we'll talk about that in just
a few minutes. October fifteenth. None of the Beatles' story.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Beatles made their debut their first gig at Homburg's iSER
Keller Club in nineteen sixty with Who playing the drums.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
With Pete Best.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right in Best Best and now in one second, we
may have to pause. Here, I'm at leaner. She's got
these two due hours and hey, get in the house.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
What is it? A dog? A cat? Two us two
two hours. They are the al Qaeda of the dog world.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
And I love and I love all animals, but these
dogs just want to They have no sense of their side,
They have no sense of what anything or anyone could
do to them.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
They just want to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They do they have a sense of self though.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, oh, they are the MS thirteen of the dog world.
You don't mess with us. We mess with you. You think
you're waiting for trouble. Oh no, we are the trouble.
We are the ones that knock anyway. So I just
put those monsters inside. Nineteen seventy three, October fifteenth, Keith
(19:28):
Richards fine for possession of cannabis in France. It's amazing
to me that we were jailing people for weed.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, yeah, now you have legal substances, legal betting, what's next?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh no, I never in a million I never thought
in my lifetime that I'd be able to go to
the weed store and buy gummy so that I could
actually fall asleep.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I never never had a problem sleeping until I became
an old man.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And now God bless the weed stores, in my opinion,
bless the power.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Of the gummy.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Nineteen seventy six songs in the Kilife hit number one
in the US. We talked about how important that out was. Oh,
a couple of weeks back. It didn't take it very
long to make it there. Nineteen ninety, the Rock Hall
of Fame inducted the Who, Simon and Garfunkele and the
Kinks as part of that Class of nineteen ninety. Big
(20:25):
deal for all of them.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well yeah, especially the ones that were always fighting, such
as the Davis brothers Davies brothers.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I like I say, I say Davies.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I think they say Davis. But it's Ray Davies day, Dave.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Ray and Dave Davies, right, they were at each other.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But don't they say Davis? Then doesn't some people pronounce
it that way?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
They may that's the bridge, all right. They don't know,
they don't know from what they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And you got two groups, by the way, of folks
that are notorious for fighting. You got the davis Is
if you will, and then you got Simon and Garfunkel.
Oh yeah, you know, like a couple of thugs on
a street corner.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, they've since reconciled well. And by the way, the
who has had a couple tumbles here and there as.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, Yeah they have they Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So you got three, three groups of of folks that
didn't all get along right.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
In nineteen sixty two, the Beatles actually signed their first
up a recording contract with EMI at Abbey Road Studios.
Fix the eight Cream began their phil Farewell Tour. Their
first stop was Oakland, and Cretan's officially announced their breakup
(21:39):
in seventy two.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
So a lot. This is a very interesting week.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
This is a two page week for me as I
sit here and look at the notes, and there's really
still very little that I can eliminate. This is a
long episode because a lot of stuff happened in this week.
Think about it, you know, September things are things are happening.
Are twelve rather, things are happening. People are out of
the summer, dul drums and albums are coming out, movies
(22:04):
are coming out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
It's important.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, you know, they don't call you the manager of
musical Minutia for nothing.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
This week was complete Michigos trying to pull this together.
So yeah, manager of Minutia and michigs. This is an
interesting story. I didn't know about this. In two thousand
and one, the estates of Artemis Pyle and Ronnie van
Zandt and Steve Gaines.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Dude over the making of the movie Free Bird. Did
you ever see that movie Free Bird?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Did not?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I think I want to see it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I'm like, you know when I was when that album
One More from the Road came out. I remember being
at summer camp that summer and like hearing Gimme Three
Steps in Sweep Home, Alabama for the first time on
you know, a rock radio, and I remember just being
completely enthralled with Leonard Scanner.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That started it for me when I was ten years old.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And this movie Freebird is based in part around that
period of time when they did that show at the
at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, and then there's a
bunch of footage apparently shot and floor in other places,
but I'm I'm gonna watch that.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Movie and give you some insight on it. I'm a
huge skinnered fan.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And there's still people, you know, within that camp that
I think they were original members and are not considered original.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So there's still some of that tussling and infighting. There's
a lighting, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys al Cooper running around,
you know.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I saw him with I think I saw al Cooper
with Marty.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Marty Schwartz, one of the big guitar teachers on YouTube
showing us how to play Sweet Home Alabama as a
guitar player or right of passages to learn those three
chords D, C, and G, And then I watched al
Kooper play it. He claims he wrote the lick. I
don't know if he did or not. You know, another
(24:13):
one of those people running around saying I was an
original member, but he plays it differently than than we
all learned how to play it when we were.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Kids as our first song. So yeah, there are people
running around talking a bunch of smack.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Whether it's true or not, they're they're running their mouths
about it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I had Ricky medlock on yeah, and Ricky Ricky Medlock
still to this day, uh feels a sense of bitterness
that when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction
occurred that he was not considered kind of an original member,
and he feels he's got, you know, specific documentation to
(24:52):
that fact, so it still stings for him. He did
not mince words on how he feels he's been treated,
at least in terms of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's an interesting back to bring up.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I didn't you know, I guess I remember listening to
the Ricky Medlock thing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
What was he around in the beginning in the in
the early days.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Do you recall him saying, you know, for the first
few albums or through Street Survivors or I mean Street
Survivors obviously is the is the mark right when people
say I was an original member, you were either part
of that band prior to Street Survivors when the crash happened,
probably or not.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He was in, he was out, and then he was
back in.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So I think because there was some hiatus period however long,
I think he wasn't treated as, as you know, one
of the original members. And according to Claude AI, the
current lineup is is Johnny Van zandt, Ricky Medlock and
(26:01):
then I gotta be honest, a bunch of people I
have no idea who they are, with all due respect,
Damon Johnson on guitar, Mark Sparky Matteka on guitar, Michael
Cardolone his name is familiar on drums, Keith Christopher bass,
Peter Keys keyboards, Carol Chase backing vocals, Stacy Michelle backing vocals.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So it's pretty much Johnny and Ricky, you.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Know the thing about that band, And there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Of bands, you know, you can look at bands like
Chicago as an example, who you know they have one
one horn player right, trumper player or who that's right?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And he was Do you had him right? I did,
Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Did, so he he's the one remaining member of that band.
One of the things about Skinner that's great is Johnny
Van's aunt sounds just like his brother.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Oh yeah right, So you could see Leonard's skinned. It's
unlike seeing Journey.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
With oh his name, the karaoke guy, the karaoke guy
who was frighteningly similar to Steve Perry. But you can
see that band and you can hear his brother in him,
and that's what's kind of frightening to me about about that?
In a good way? Yep, with skinners. I'm gonna go
down the I'm gonna go down the Ricky Medlocks rabbit hole.
(27:26):
I'm gonna use claud Ai. I'm going to use a
couple of other sources that I have, but I'm very
curious about Ricky's involvement when he says he was involved,
and I'm gonna go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I may or may not.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Report back that, maybe under the cover of michig OSTs.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
But you know, I'm gonna probably drive myself a little
crazy there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It's over seventeenth of nineteen eighty, Springsteen played his first
concert in New Jersey after the release of the River
Big Deals double albums there. This was also on the
heat of I think there were five No Nukes shows
(28:06):
near the end of September that happened, and he was
playing if you remember watching the video and.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You know, hearing the bootlegs from that, I went to
one of them.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I went to one of them.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Did you really went to the garden?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Oh you you have the floor? Then I got I got,
I got shipped to say, as they say, your talk
it's your turn.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, I mean, oh, the whole the whole experience was
a complete, you know, mind blowing experience in terms of
the performances, and Bruce's.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Was no exception.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Obviously is one of the great performances, certainly from Bruce
of many right, But it was a it was an
overwhelming experience in terms of just the amount of music
that you saw. But I didn't realize where you were
going that that that event, him playing at that event
was sort of adjacent to him doing these other big dates.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It makes sense, yeah, And to me it's interesting because
he played and the music was received with such mirror
and excitement from people. When he played the River or
you know, other songs from that album, I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
He played Barry Darling or he played it.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
You know, I got to go back and look at
what the setlist is. I should have probably prepped this
part of it better. But he played songs that people
didn't know at that point, buggs that hadn't been released,
that he hadn't played, and that was also for me,
a little personal piece of it.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I didn't get to.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Know Nukes, but when I met Rob Barnett the first
time in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I remember this like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He was wearing a River Tour jacket that he had
gotten from Bruce, or from John, or from someone he
worked for Columbia. He was wearing a River pinny. He
had all this Bruce stuff. This was before I was
really deep into Bruce. And and that's a memory that
I have is meeting Rob Barnett on the heels of
that tour, not meeting John Landau, not meeting Maxim Weinberger,
(30:13):
Roy Bitten or Bruce.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I met Rob Barnett.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So that tour came out and he was the college
rep at that point he had come out of like
you know, Boston College or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I had forgotten that part of his career.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Wow, Yeah, it would be interesting. I got to reach
out to him and say, give me a little give
me a little bit of that story. He'd be saying,
he's such a good guest. You've had him on. He
talked about the Nirvana thing at MTV. But that guy,
in my opinion, is a music college. Oh yeah, Like
if I get if I get hit by a truck tomorrow,
you got to call Barnett, right, You got to see
(30:48):
if Barnett can do this because he'd do it a
thousand times better than I could.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
And he's got the stories right, he lived so much
of it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, don't manager of Musical Minutia, don't sell yourself short,
please all.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Right, October eighteenth, we got two more days. I'm gonna
blast throw them buzz. I know we're probably now that
we're tight on time.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
It's not like radio or not like we get to
hit you know, we've probably hit the commercial breaks already.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
We mentioned Claude AI.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
By the way, we're gonna pre promote that we're going
to be doing a little something with the Springsteen movie.
If I may, you may, may, I may I. So
there's a lot going on. The sponsors will be taken
care of. They'll be well taken care of. Nineteen sixty six,
October eighteenth, Jimmy Hendrix The Jimmy Hendricks Experience played their
first show at the Olympia in Paris.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I didn't know that. I didn't know they debuted in Paris,
did you?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
No, I would have given anything to be there for that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Huh, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Crazy nineteen sixty nine Temptations hit number one with I
Can't Get next to you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
That's one of those songs that if it comes on.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Radio or someone or the iPad or iPod or someone's
bastard of the party, I stop and.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Go hang on a second, I gotta I gotta listen
to this. You can't not tap your feet to that song.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
It's just such a that song almost borders on rock.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It's with its fat Yeah. I officially get my jiggy
on when that's.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
On, But really, is that like your happy dance or
what is the jiggy?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I just get my jiggy, man, my jiggy's on.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You know what's funny to me is when guys like us,
men of a particular age, Oh stop it try to
be hip.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh stop, I get my jiggy on.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I get my jiggy on, man.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
And then you get your jiggy on, and undoubtedly someone
in the crowd goes, do you want to call nine
to one one? Is he wearing an apple? Is he
wearing an Apple watch? It may notify the authorities. He
got his jiggy on, but he got what happened to it?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But he his hamstring is now got a problem.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
We're gonna hit him with a narkhan because his Jiggy
came on out of the blue.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Nineteen seventy five, Simon our Funcle reunited the Speaking of
the half Fields and McCoy's of.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Music and the Davises and the Who.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They got together in nineteen seventy five and performed on
Saturday Night Lot.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
They had a little reunion. It was a great performance.
By the way, it was nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Bon Jovi released New Jersey, banged out a bunch of
singles out of that, and the last day of the week,
October nineteenth.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Of course we've got three big ones.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
We got a Beatles related, we got a Zeppelin, we
got a Bowie. Nineteen sixty eight, Lennon and Yoko are
arrested in London for possession of cannabis, the second marijuana.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Arrest on this week in music history.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And this day we got Keith Richards on October fifteenth,
and you know, a few days later in history, we
got John and Yoko.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Austin fer Weed.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Nineteen seventy led Zeppelin three reached number one on the
UK charts.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I teased this a few minutes ago.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I just saw an interview with Jimmy Page where he
was talking about the death of John Bonham and what
may have become of led Zeppelin after In Through the Outdoor.
And I found it so fascinating because I had never
heard this before, that John Paul Jones had bought a
big sythesizer. I forget what it's called exactly, but it's
(34:24):
like the moog, right, remember the Emerson Lake and Palmer.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
It was like one of those devices, a big pit
the sider kind of device.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
And John Paul Jones and John Bonham and Jimmy Page
were all talking about the direction that they were going next,
and they were going back to heavy guitars, right.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
They took I.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Think what you heard a little bit on In Through
the Outdoor with heavy keyboards, right, John Paul Jones's influence,
and they were going to add to that synthesizers like
in Care or Salambra in the evening, and they were
going to just bust it out with the guitars again.
And to me, it really got me excited for a
(35:10):
minute for what could have been. Oh yeah, because think
about it, you know sixty eight, you know, through In
Through the Outdoor in nineteen eighty, the band really rocked
really well. In Through the Outdoor was a different deal
tonically and to know that that's the direction they were
headed in, was to add the synthesizers from In through
(35:33):
the Outdoor, which we both loved that album totally, and
then you know, get back into you know, maybe a
great lick like a whole Lot of Love or heartbreaker
or communication.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
To break down or something comes out of whatever's next.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
But it would it would be wonderful to have heard,
you know, what could have happened.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
I wonder if there are tapes, What if there's stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That maybe they recorded and left on the cutting room
floor that we never got to hear.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
More than likely yeah, because I don't think they would
be of an organization that would be releasing that stuff.
I don't feel like that's their mo unlike some other bands.
So I'm sure there's stuff sitting somewhere.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It would be amazing if they did. My question for
them would be why not.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
You know, you can make a few bucks, you can
sit at the desk again, you can produce some led
Zeppelin music, which all of us would be new, And
how fun would that be if we can't get to
see them, If they're not going to take all the
money in the world, and let's face it there, and
I know firsthand that there was a a hell of
cat or to them to the two show in twenty twelve,
(36:45):
and know it from Rich Creswick and Brian Kabasnik who
were there, who were part of that group of folks
that were round them during that time that said basically,
name your price, and they wouldn't do it to continue
on on.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't think Robert Plant's going to budget there you go.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, he's not.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Nineteen seventy three, Bowie retired, Ziggy Star US Farewell costic
film release and the Last Story of the Day had
a sad one. Two thousand and three October nineteenth, Ammy
Whitehouse released her debut album, Frank.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
In the United Fingom.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
We had a.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Bragick ending.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It sure did.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
What a week?
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I mean, I need a nap.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I'm exhaust.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I'm standing outside in lovely Docremento, California.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
We're by the way. It's beautiful right.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Now as I do this, and I'm going a cigar
and I have some notes in front of me and
a cup of coffee and I'm just I'm in a
different spot.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Than I usually am at the Michigan desk.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
So the great Day it's a great week, Harry, thank
you so much for this week in music history for
the week of October thirteenth through the nineteenth. And we
appreciate your work and we appreciate all you Liss listening
to the Take on a Walk podcast
Host
Lynn Hoffman
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