102 - Decompressions

Karen and Georgia cover the Beast of Jersey and the Cleveland Torso Killer.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hi, Hi, and welcome to Do you know what our
favorite murder is?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I just may have been new name of a podcast?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Do you know what I was saying? No, do you
need a right? We can start a Sorry?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Sorry, no, leave it. I was gonna say, how it
feels like it's been a while.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's been Oh no, sorry, that's quite a vacation. My
favorite murder Jesus Christ, Like, I haven't done that one
in a while either. I felt like I've been.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I only have one podcast now, so if I had
gotten it wrong, I would have been a.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
That would have been really hurtful. Yeah, how is it
just having your one podcast?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I feel so free? What's your next podcast going to be?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm just gonna do something with more work even, I'm
just going to do something where all all I do
is homework.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Just quiet pencil, pencil on paper, sound this constant work
working like more of an SMR. Yeah. I don't ever
think I'm saying that right.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
But but I have to actually do the work, so
I even less time to do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Good idea. You should you just go into some like math,
like long division, Like where would you leave off in math?
Would you like to get back to in math.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean I don't even know the basics. Addition, I
can do that, you could do some basic Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah. I saw a really cool video about how and
from what I remember, it said, people, I think in
Japan do multiplication of long numbers. Yeah, and it was
like it looked like they were making a tic tac
toe box. Did you see that video?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
And what drives me crazy about it is that it's
that thing of like people learn in different ways. We
don't all have this one way of learning.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm sorry. I'm mad at the public school system because
they haven't adapted to anything modern.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Because I didn't get it, and so then I was
stupid instead of like that maybe I just needed to
learn in a different.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Way, right, like how to either a a better teacher,
be a better approach.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Right or better you know.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I think nowadays they have a lot more what's the
word Montessori?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Shit? No, and I went to Montessori.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I did too.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
My god, it didn't work for you. I mean work
in what way? I learned how to? I learned how
to wash my feet at the washing feet station? Well,
there's a washing feed station? Or were you the old West?
I just remember it, like there's like the chalk's chalk
station and this station that, and then there was like
a bucket and you could go outside and wash your feet.

(02:43):
That is so weird now that I'm talking about it.
I didn't need to talk to my sister about this.
Were you this is an irvine?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Did you have goats? Now? Were there any Was there
any reason I have a bucket besides children's dirty feet? No?
Was your teacher german? I'm a phobe probably or a
foot fetish.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think she must have had an issue with dirty
children's feet.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Why were your shoes off? I don't know in school. Again,
I'm figuring out right now that this is weird, and
I want to text my sister to make sure I
have this memory correct. I'm calling Janet. Call Janet and
ask her right now. I told you how I was
supposed to go to therapy with my mom. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Did I tell you that I gave her the wrong
day and she showed up like two days early?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Was she pissed? No? It was fine. We ended up
making up anyways.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well that's good.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, I mean that's what counts. Yeah. Do you think
that subconsciously you may have done that, so you didn't
have to do it definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't you
think one hundred percent? That's usually why I do stuff
like that, And now it's so over to me that
I as well just be like, I'm not going to
be there. Probably, Hey me, I've done it to you
one thousands. That's not normally, that's not I don't want

(04:02):
to be there and I have to talk my way
out of this. Yeah, but normally that's just I can't
get that fucking calendar on my phone to do the
right thing.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I can't never do it. Yeah, it's a tricky little fucker.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It goes backwards in time. Have I talked about this?
It makes me crazy. You had a recommendation, didn't you?
Oh you know what we got, Stephen. Stephen pulled this
the email for uh uh in lieu in reference to
Visa V episode one hundred. Hey, y'all includes everyone in

(04:38):
their goddamn animals. First off, love the show been listening
since after episode three. Went to the live show on
Austin used to play poker with David Temple for two years.
This is after he allegedly murdered his wife. Yep. Wow,
I'm also obsessed with the yogurt shot murders anyway, So
that's not even about what this is about, Okay, Karen said,

(04:59):
an aw storied came three miles from.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Oh no, you can just say no more. I just
don't even say anything else. It's so good. As you
say that, I'm like, that's impossible.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
No, three mile.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Here's the thing. And some people get very pissed off
about this. We just fucking say what say shit, We
just say whatever and then clean up the mess after.
Some people are very bothered by that. But man, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
How far up is like the ozone?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I don't know, but it's.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Probably more than three miles.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
And as you said it on the podcast, then I
was like, okay, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And then the minute that came out of your mouth,
I was like, no, just now, but not. I don't
question you until someone else questions you.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's my whole act is. It's just very believable bullshit talking.
And who am I to question? I mean, who are
you of all people to question me? The queen of Spain?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Okay, I don't even know math.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You and your dirty bucket feet never question me? Okay, okay, no,
go ahead? Should this day? I can't go barefoot. No,
I have a barefoot issue. Yeah, that's right. Why did
fucking village Montssori do to me? What did they do
to your feet? Who was on the bottom of that bucket?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Who hurt my feet? Rub in your feet?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Youw ew?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Back to the asteroid okay, anyway, Karen said, an asteroid
came three miles from hitting the earth. But sorry, asterix
pushes up nerd glasses. But it was a three mile
wide asteroid that came six point four million miles. I
think that sounds more right.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm gonna go with her whatever she said.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Does that sound better? I'm on her side quite Oh,
you're being sexist by assuming it's a female scientist and
being pro sexist. That's right. Finally, proactive sexism quite a
bit of a difference, but I get it. Live your
sexy life like an asteroid is about to straight up
murder assault. This would be great for corrections corner. You're

(07:03):
so right about that. All the best and lots of love. Brian,
that's rad Brian, Brian the girl Brian. No he has
he also has a second name in the middle. That's
also a boy's name. Okay, so I can confirm Brian
as a boy.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, I don't. I am not sexist. So I thought
it was a woman.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I thought it was my daughter. That is so goddamn funny.
That is great, It felt right.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, is he man's plaining asteroids to us though.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, it clearly we need it. He's explaining, I'm sorry,
he's meant to say, explain it. He's plain explaining it.
To explain it.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's just a postrophe's plaining, straight up explaining.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
That's my new podcast. More people explain shit to me.
Oh that's good, straight out. You just introduce it. Yeah,
get the idea.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Going, and then just let other people talk about the facts.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Hey, explain this to me.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I've never realized how consistently wrong I can be up
until this point. It's a real humbling experience.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Through the podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, but I wonder do you in your daily life now,
do you question yourself?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Oh every moment as you're hypothesizing boldly.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I don't. I mean, like usually if somebody stands
around goes no, actually that's not true, I'll go, oh okay,
because at this point I can't really argue it. Yeah,
it's happened so many times. I'll be like, oh, all right,
you know you don't go, are you sure? Oh? Sometimes
I'll do that, but and sometimes I can see it
in my mind's eye of like, I can see the

(08:39):
headline in my head it says three miles away. But
that's also my add from being on Twitter too much
and reading articles. I just read four words in the
headline of an article, Karen, I can't do Twitter anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Because it's just killing it. Is it driving you crazy?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's awful.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Now, it's really I just can't do it anymore. Give
me really depressed.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's very depressing. My problem is it's where all my
friends are. Many many of my friends that I talked
to the most are there, as tragic as that is
to say.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Out loud, So maybe you just can have conversations. But
I just like read shit.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
No, yeah, it's I don't. I try not to read
that much, Okay, and when I do, I do it inaccurately. Okay. Yeah, well,
I mean listen if it's working for you. Look, I
like it can listen if it's working for you. No,
but I will say this for resolutions, I don't know
if you're comfortable doing some resolutions right now, I do
it but as we say this, because part of why

(09:38):
I think all that was just so funny to me
is because I haven't really talked to another person in
like three days except for textees. I've just been sitting
on my couch watching British people solve crime for like
seventy two straight hours.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
And I have to stop doing God bless you. I
have to. I have to driving you crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, I have to leave my house. I have to
give the world a try, like I have to do things.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Here's the thing. You've already done that. Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
True? Sale? Do it's been bad failed?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You've been sick yes or no?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, very sick.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
See, you just spent like two weeks with family members
constantly and friends.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Right, you're having a decompression.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, thank you, thank you for walking me out of
that darkness. Yeah, but you know what, My decompressions go
on too long. Yeah, and then yeah, and then I'm
just in the weirdest and just too weird of a place.
But I would also say that I've been on a
six year decompression, but needs to wrap itself up relatively quickly.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Can we start on Friday? Okay, can we say Friday?
Write that down in your.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
How about Friday eleven and then we have that phone
call a littleven thirty right.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Perfect, and then you have to I actually had to
hire or like have my old life coach come back. Yeah,
because I was fucking up hard like that. Yeah, And
one of the things we talked about was just put
some makeup on and leave the fucking house.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
There was one time I called you when you were
in a cafe and in my mind, I was like, Wow,
she's got it all. Like a dream come true.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Changes everything when you have you never thought of it, dude,
you it changes my fucking entire day because then you,
oh my god, like today.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I've left the.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
House once in the past, since New Year's Eve, since
NAR's Day, and it was to eat oysters last night.
And I don't think I've been around anyone but Vince. Yeah,
he's basically the same person as me at this point.
You guys are very similar, so we're like the same pert.
You know, your real team. It's like being alone a
little bit. Yeah, I can see that. So we just
talk about cats, our cats, and point out things our

(11:54):
cats are doing.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
But you're also very funny. I mean, I've been the
you know me, he we together. Thank you you're real
witty to get I really enjoy how you guys talk
to each other so much. It's really delightful and fun.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You're fun to travel with.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Thank you so are you?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Goodbye.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Speaking of traveling really quickly, two shows that are not
sold out or lagal are like, we're about to get
into our fucking huge winter spring tour and it's starting
with Las Vegas on January twentieth.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
There's a few tickets left, so go get those.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Oh that's gonna be fun if you're in La and
you can make the driver roo. Yeah, I bet it'll
be a good time.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know who's doing it, Marty hard Stark. Is he
really Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Coming on out.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
He's come out.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think my sister and Adrian wanted to, but they can't.
They can't swing it like work wise. Yeah, but they
were like, oh my god, that would be the great.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It's in a casino. We're in a cassine.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's gonna be so fun. You can stay there watch
our show or just like Magic Mike for one night.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I'm so excited. Dance routine.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
What if we get the magic mic dancers to come
over and do.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
It and do a hometown murder, and we do a dance.
So we dance they hometown, they home down it. I'm
might thing my nose on my shirt.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Sweet all right?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
And then the other one is twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
The other one to mention is Salt Lake City Night one.
We're doing two nights there. Sold out second night, but
night one still has some tickets. February fifteenth, nice little
What is it called Valentine's Day?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Post Valentine's Day? Yeah? Wait, that's the fourteenth, right, Yeah, okay,
so whatever, that's Marty's birthday, the fifteenth. That's weird, is it? Yeah?
Is he going to that one? No? Okay, so we'll
have to give him a birthday present at Las Vegas
h Red Rocks Casino, So Lake City first night, No
matter what happens Valentine's Day, drown your sorrows with us SLC.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's fucking right, progressive college town. Remember that time.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
We talked, we like, I said that Salt Lake City
must be conservative? Yeah and all that. Oh did we
hear from the Salt Lake Citians? Yeah, they let us know.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
We'll make it up to you yeah for Valentine's dingy.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
We fully respect you, girl.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
We're gonna be checking fucking chock the treffles out into
the audience.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh, we're gonna get you so many roses.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
We're gonna throw roses at you.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
We're gonna we're gonna make you feel like a woman again.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I mean, get ready. Maybe they'll be cleavage. Is that romantic?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I can bring some? Okay, I you bring yours because
I don't have any. I'll bring enough for four.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Oh my god, Like, if I really really really try,
there can be like some slight you know, shadowing up here,
but it's not cleavage.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'll do that for my abs, and then you do
it for your cleavage. I'll do a cutout middle. What
about butt cleavage? That's the thing. I think I've got
that too. Anything rounded that casts a shadow, I'm on it.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Perfect. There you go, perfect.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
One more email. This is just fun times.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I can't believe twenty seventeen is over.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I know, I mean it's done. I know it's a
brand new year. Friend, I know, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Let's absolutely do it.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I mean we have no choice. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I really believe in myself to a really fucked up degree.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, no, you're you have a lot of choices, especially
with this new podcast coming out, because the direction, first
of all, just doubling up on podcasts. It's gonna be
great for you. Yeah. And then just the directions you're
gonna take it in. Yeah, it's just explaining.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I'm gonna learn and forget so much stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's gonna be great. Information is gonna be coming at me.
I can't wait for you to not absorb any of it.
This is an email from Kaylee. It says, Hi, gals,
my name is Kaylee Carter and I play Sadie Rose
in Godless Fuck y'all. It was to my shock and
delight that I turned on the podcast to hear our
show as a source of delight to you. Oh my god,

(16:01):
when your podcast is one of my deep obsessions. Oh
my god, along with your crime and well anything murder related.
It's so badass and inspiring to hear ladies getting together
to create, and what you've created is so unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
No sure what a fucking talking about are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Sorry, Kaylee?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Sorry, Uh, what you've created is so unfiltered, badass and empathetic.
Just wanted to let you know that the ladies of
LaBelle lost it on our communal text chain about you guys.
Good Kaylee Carter Okay, sorry that was very self serving,
but oh my god, Stephen, that's a good email to pull. Yes,
because I've been talking about this year NonStop. Everyone's talking

(16:42):
about it. I really loved it so much, really really
thought it was a beautiful piece of writing and work.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So good. Wow, thanks Kaylee, Thanks Kally, Hi do that
text chain for us? Can I? Okay?

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So I've been having really bad insomnia lately. Yeah, as
I do and and can I do a podcast corner?
Do podcast recommendation corner? So this chick has been keeping
me company. Wow, I can't sleep for like four hours
last night from three to seven. It was great in
my sleep phones. I highly recommend them. This is not
an ad. They look like like a sweatband, but they

(17:18):
were like flat headphones in them. Oh my god. So
uh she's this lovely, soothing voice and the topics are
really macab and weird. It's called The Strange and Unusual Podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Listen to it. No, it's by.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Alison Horrox h O R R O c k S,
which sounds like a fucking Carux.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It sounds like a spell.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It sounds like exactly from Harry Potter.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, the Horror Croc.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
There's ten episodes and they're like it's all macab and
like weird, you know, witchy, old gothic timy, you know
Catacombi stuff.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
It's really good and true or is it stories?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's true stories, true story. Let me throw those two together.
The one thing I didn't really can be possible. It's
like it's true. It's almost like the strange.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean, the mysteries abound, Yes, but she does all
the writing herself and tells you about It's really good.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Sweet Paul Rex. Everybody, if you don't listen to Mysteries
about you got to so the Strange Unusual Podcast, And
it's called that because from Beetlejuice when Lydia says, I myself,
I am strange and unusual. Oh you yes, I love it.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, And she's just been kind of like keeping me
company the best.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah. Well then if I'm to join you in this corner, yeah,
I will do my recommendation. The person that's been keeping
me company for my whole vacation, I I can't remember.
I think I've seen like either a Ted talk or
some clip of him on British TV. But I, in
driving knew that I wanted to get, like do a

(18:49):
deep dive into something and actually maybe learn something. So
I looked up audio books by John Ronson and he
is a British reporter and a podcaster. He does a
ton of stuff author, He's written a ton of books.
He wrote The Men Wusteric Goats. He wrote So You've
been publicly shamed, which is all about the social media thing.

(19:10):
He's done all this stuff. So he has a book.
One of the ones I listened to is called Lost
at Sea, and it's just a bunch of different stories
and articles that he's written and they cover everything from
people who disappear on cruise ships and basically the rash
of that happening, the fuck up uh huh to uh.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I can't remember anything else, just being lost at sea
in general, just.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Being lost at sea, Like you have to listen to it,
and he has Okay, my very favorite thing. And I
laughed so hard when I was listening to this. I
was in my room at my sister's house. I was
laughing so hard, I was crying and I couldn't breathe
and I was sick, so I felt I thought I
was going to die. He interviewed the Insane Clown Posse
after the Magnets how Do They Work song Miracles came

(19:57):
and it is one of the funniest because he is
a very very straightforward, very plain spoken, and very direct interviewer,
and he then re enacts the like the two guys
in Insane Clown Posse reacting to how much shit they've gotten,
like because they've been called the worst band in history

(20:19):
and still like really terrible things and stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So he kind of went.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
And talked to them and it's the funniest thing I've
ever heard in my life. Oh my god, I'm listening
and he's just very like, he's so endearing, and he's
really I don't know, he's just super brilliant and a
really hilarious, amazing writer. So anyway, John ronson tons of audiobooks,
and he also has a podcast called The Butterfly Effect
that's about like working in the porn industry right which

(20:46):
I started listening to it.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
It's a little bit I'm worried. I'm worried. I don't
I'm worried about having to hear people that that don't
are doing well or something, Whereas I like, if it's
a story and someone's in the third person talking about it,
it's a different thing. I just kind of like my
nine one call.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah I get that well really quickly.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
One that I'm not listening to.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
But I have listened to it and it's hilarious and
I just want to give it a shout out because
it's fucking incredible.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Is the true crime podcast Done Disappeared?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Oh? I haven't heard it.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, it's a parody true called Done Disappeared.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes, it's about missing girl named Clara Pockets.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, it's hosted by John David Booter and it's basically
a parody of Up and Vanished.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Wait, John David Booter is not a real person at all.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's like it's so it's like this beautifully narrative narrative podcast,
like someone knows something, let's say right, and it's done
really well and you hear the crunching of the gravel
and then he talks about these things that release here's
but it's all bullshit and it's all fake, and it's
like kind of corny and just amazing, so silly. It's
so silly and I it made me really happy.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh that's great. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Done disappear.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I mean, that's so funny. It's like it is so
popular these days that like you can it's like the
American Vandal. Yeah. Actually, you know it has been nominated
for I think a Writer's Guild Award. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah,
it's just like that. Yeah, where it's like, this is
a really well done documentary. It's just about an absurd

(22:18):
thing that's not real. It's the same thing. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah,
I love it. I love it too, all right. I
mean I wonder who goes first. I mean, whatever happened
was in the past.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
It's twenty eighteen and it's episode one hundred and two,
which sucks that it's not one hundred and one because we
put up a live.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Oh live, that's right, because we're on akishall.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
But I know, but like, but that was one twenty
seventeen two, right, yeah, yep, So we can do whatever
we want.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
We can do whatever we want. And the last one
technically that we recorded here we did together, right, So
it's a real clean slate.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Clean slate blank. Everything is everything from here to we turn.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
What if we make Stephen pick one of us to
go first. No, pressure's on.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
No, wait, what if we what if we make Stephen? No,
I don't know. Let's pick the mustash hairs and mustache hair.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, you can throw the clown clo whoever slaps it
a way hard enough? Okay, Steven, who goes first?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't know why that matters?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Number ten?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Okay? What day is your birthday?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Eighth?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
What's yours?

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Eleventh?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
What does that mean? Mine's closer? So do you want
to go first?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
You want me to go? It's the perfect system. Okay?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
How about I was gonna say, since you got it,
then you get a pick who goes first?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Ship, But really, bring on, no wants this part of
the job. That's why we give it to you. Okay,
Well mine is long and gruesome. What's yours? It's I
don't think it's that long. Okay, Well go I can
go first. Okay, yeah, okay, good job Stephen, Stephen, you've
done it again. Mine and I had never heard this

(24:08):
story before. Okay, this is more of a story, more
of a case, more of a personality. Because there's I
don't think there's an actual murder that they know of.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
This is the Beast of Jersey? Have you ever heard
of the Beast of Jersey?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
No? Okay, get fucking ready.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I'm fucking ready, okay and willing great new I excuse me.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Both of your feet are in the budget. I'm gonna
fuck my feet in a bucket. I get myself ready.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Does we kick off an episode with you having recovered memories?
And we just blaze right through it? We just keep
on chatting.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I mean, I'm clearly doing okay with.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
You're just doing it. I'm just doing it, okay.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
So the Beast of Jersey's name is Edward Paynell or
pay Now, I'm not sure. And this story I stumbled
upon it on a As we know, we love the website.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Ranker and Ranker is in there with all.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Those serial killers and the serial killer fifteen most interesting
things about this and that and whatever, and so at
the at the bottom of one of those lists, they
have additional lists where it's like this, this, all these links.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
It's like, thank you for my insomnia. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, And it's all the fifteen horrible things about the
toy box Killer.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's every terrible thing you could ever look at.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Love it. So on there I found the Beast of Jersey,
which I'm like, I assume New Jersey. And when you
look it up on YouTube, there is a guy who
who starts his videos start coming up as the Beast
of Jersey, but he is a weightlifter in New Jersey. Oh,
it's just like swoll and yoked and all the other

(25:52):
things you'd says of Jersey. Well, I mean I think
it's like, you know, that's the language of like he's
in beast mode working out. I didn't google it.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
He's didn't google it.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
This one's from the sixties and seventies. So he's like,
I'm the right.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, that's that's long enough ago.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
He didn't give a shit. Yeah, he looks great in
a tank top. He's doing good work.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Good for him.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I respect it.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Good for him. Twenty eighteen is this year. That's right.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I can feel it. So guys, please go to Beast
of Jersey YouTube channel and just support him.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Give him my thumbs up because he can lift so
much weight.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Okay. I got the timeline of these crimes, the details
all of it from uh a blog that's called True
Crime Enthusiast. I've used her once before for one of
my I can't remember which one, but it was a
case when we were on the at a live show
and she that True Crime Enthusiast is also a podcast.

(26:47):
But I found this on her blog and it was
the most information of any I couldn't find any other
websites besides our dear old Wikipedia. Everything on YouTube is
like one of those three minute videos that someone that
it seems like someone in high school made that. Like,
I then started watching one and then it went off

(27:10):
into some other thing where this woman who was narrating
was like Canadian and yelling about how the government isn't
gonna admit to anything, and it went crazy. I had
quite the afternoon. Listen, let's get back, let's focus. Jersey
is one of the Channel islands off the.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Northwest coast of France.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Got it. I thought it was in England.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Well, it's not new It's not.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
A New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, that's what I was hoping for. It's original Jersey.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Okay. So it's right by Normandy off the coast out there.
It's also by Guernsey Islands. They have the best cows
between Jersey and Guernsey. Amazing gorgeous cows. Okay, right, Stephen,
Stephen's crying. He loves this so much? Am I right?
Though I don't know anything about cows? Yes, you do.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I think the guernseys are red and the jerseys.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Are the black and white. Are you think serious right now? Yes?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Because you grew up in a town with a lot
of cows. Yes, that's why you know that. I didn't
know if they were just making up facts about a town.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
No. No, Jersey and Guernsey cows are like really high end.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Listen, explain something okay to me? Okay, what's it about cows?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh? Oh, just if you want a high quality cow,
you're going to need a small island off the coast
of France.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'll take it. That's where they're all from.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Okay, okay. Uh. On Google Maps, Jersey has a four
point nine star review out of forty three.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Why are we revealing fucking islands?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
This is me trying to scrape together information about Jersey
in a way that can inform me. I was like,
is it rich people? It seems like it's like it's
a very yeah, well to do people. They have a
lot of great agriculture, obviously award winning cows, really small
and although it is not a part of the United Kingdom.

(29:00):
English is the language that's the main language spoken there.
They use the Pound, they drive on the left, they
love soccer. The national anthem is God Save the Queen.
But they are an independent parliamentary democracy, so don't fucking
say that they're British because they're not, okay. And in
twenty fourteen there were one hundred thousand people living there,

(29:21):
so that's it's not a big place, okay. But in
November of nineteen fifty seven, a reign of terror began
on this island. That is so fucking crazy, and it
went on for ten years. And so it starts like this,
A twenty nine year old nurse is waiting for a bus. Now,
when all this gets explained, it's all they break it

(29:44):
up by like counties and parishes and stuff. But since
it's all meaningless, I just figured we'll just do it.
It's all happening on an island that's I think forty
nine miles wide.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's a setting.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yes, just picture. Uh do you ever watch father? It's
a wonderful British no priest based crime procedural right, No,
But I have an island in my mind.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
It's like I'm there.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's not tropical.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
No, no, no, no, no, no, gat it's like a yeah,
that's so like a damp, dewey pastural.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yesco Island, that's it, rocky cliffs, yes, all this, yes, Okay, fog,
fog and tons of bus stops right, so, rural bus stops,
rural bus stops. Okay, okay. So this woman's waiting. She's
a twenty nine year old nurse waiting for the bus.
She's approached by a man who's affecting an Irish accent,
and he's wearing something on his face. She can't see

(30:36):
his face, and before she knows what's happening, he hits
her on the head. He puts a rope around her neck,
and he drags her into a nearby field and rapes her. No,
and even though she has a bunch of stitches and
she's severely injured, she survives. A year later, in March,
the exact same attack happens a year later, this time,
the woman's twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
She's walking home.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
From the bus stop, and again a man approaches her,
a rope is put around her neck, She's dragged into
a nearby field and raped. Four months later, in July,
exact same crime. This time it's a thirty one year
old woman. She's walking home from the bus stop. Again,
rope around her neck, dragged into a field. Exact same thing.

(31:18):
And then again in August of nineteen fifty nine, but
this time it's a young girl. And then again in
November to a twenty eight year old woman. So it's
the exact same crime happening like relatively four months apart.
So all of the victims tell the police the same thing.
He put on this Irish accent, he was wearing a

(31:40):
mask of some kind or his face was covered in
some way. He's about five foot six and he smells musty.
So after this series of attacks he comes to be
referred to as the Beast of Jersey. But then in
nineteen sixty his mo changes and he starts attacking peace
people inside indoors in their homes. So it's valent Timee's Day.

(32:04):
In nineteen sixty a twelve year old boy wakes up
to see a man standing at the end of his bed.
He's climbed through the boy's window. He's wearing an old
rubber mask and a woman's wig, oh god, and he's
holding a flashlight in the boy's face. He places a
rope around the boy's neck leads him outside into a
field where he's raped. So a month later, a woman

(32:27):
walking up to the bus stop meets a man who
drives by, claims that he's a doctor, that he's on
his way to pick up his wife, and he offers
her a lift. And then she gets in the car
and she's like, oh, it's just this old guy and what,
doesn't think anything about it until she turns to see
that he is wearing an overcoat and a hat and gloves,

(32:51):
and as she's starting to put that together of how
weird that is. And she also can't see his face.
It's like she can't make out his face because it's dark.
He's By the time she realizes what's going on, he's
driven to a secluded spot. He ties her hand behind
her head, beats her inside the car. Then he drags
her out of the car into a field, rapes her.

(33:12):
Then he puts her back into the car and he
starts to drive again. She jumps out of the moving
car oh and starts screaming for help. So he bails
and he's not found. Damn. Okay, So this same month,
this one's super creepy. So it's a mother and daughter
in a remote cottage. Uh huh. The daughter's fourteen, So

(33:36):
it's twelve thirty at night. The mother is awoken by
the phone ringing downstairs, so she gets up and she
goes down to answer it. When she goes, she picks
up the phone, there's no one there. She hears a
click and then the phone she hears the dial Towne.
So she goes back upstairs and she goes to bed.
An hour later, she hears a noise downstairs, so she

(33:58):
goes and she goes out into the landing. Over the
top of the stairs, she flicks on the lights, having
a picture in my head at some point she turned
the lights on. She walks downstairs, and when she gets downstairs,
the lights cut out. Then she realizes someone is in
the living room, so she grabs the phone to call

(34:18):
the police. The phone line's been cut. Yeah, So suddenly
a man grabs her, demands money and threatens to kill her.
And as she's struggling with this man, her fourteen year
old daughter comes out onto the landing and the man
immediately releases the mother and runs to where the daughter is.

(34:40):
And so the woman runs out of the house to
go get help at the neighbors gets the neighbors runs
back and they find the daughter is alive, but she's
been raped in this with the samem as all the
other victims. April of the same year, a fourteen year
old girl wakes up to find a man in a
mask watching her sleep. The fuck she starts screaming and

(35:02):
then he takes the mask off. No. In July, an
eight year old boy is abducted from his home. He's
raped in a field and then he's led back but
the rope around his neck to his front doorstep. Then
they attack stop for the rest of the year. So
of course this is a tiny irony of people, and

(35:22):
people are fucking shitting a brick.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Because it's also definitely someone who lives there, yes, so
it could be anyone.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Exactly right. They are interviewing every They immediately interview every
single man who has ever permitted a crime at all,
Like the police are just doing They have no idea
what to do, so they're doing anything they can. So
everything stops. So that's July. Everything stops for the rest

(35:49):
of the year. Then in February of nineteen sixty one,
it starts again, and this time the moo changes again.
Now it's all young children. So by April of nineteen
sixty one, three children have been attacked and raped. So
finally the police call in Scotland Yard. Yeah, so Scotland
Yard puts together this profile of like the mo o

(36:11):
and of the attack Oh my god, lover, and they
basically tell the island. You guys have to start like
self policing and keeping your eyes open because you have
to help us catch him, right, Like, as much as
we can't be everywhere and we have to, we all
have to do something about this, So keep your eyes peeled.
So he's forty to forty five years old. He's five
six or somewhere around that height. He has a medium build,

(36:33):
he has a mustache. His face is usually covered by
a mask or a scarf during the attacks. He enters
through a bedroom window on a moonlit night sometime between
ten pm and three am, carries a flashlight. He knows
the island well, especially the eastern part, and he wears
a thigh lank jacket that smells musty, a hat and gloves.

(36:57):
So but he's still not found and there's no attacks
for two years, So that's another part of it, is
there it's like a swell of these horrible crimes and
then it just stops. And I think there's probably part
of that human reaction is it's done. We're done, We're done,
and like, don't look around and don't keep looking into this,
like it's over. Then in April of nineteen sixty three,

(37:22):
a nine year old boy is attacked with the exact
samem O, and then in November of the year and
eleven year old boy is attacked same and then in
July of nineteen sixty four a ten year old girl,
and then in August a sixteen year old boy. Then
nothing for two years, so even that overall pattern starts
down a pack. And then in nineteen sixty six, the

(37:47):
Jersey Police received this letter. My dear sir, I think
that it that it is just the time to tell
you that you are wasting your time, as every time
I have done what I always intended to do. And
remember it will not stop at this, but I will
be fair to you and give you a chance. I
have never had much out of this life, but I

(38:07):
intend to get everything I can now. I've always wanted
to do the perfect crime. I have done this, but
this time let the moonshine very bright in September, because
this time it must be perfect, not one, but two.
I am not a maniac by a long shot, but
I like to play with you people. You will hear
from me before September, and I will give you all

(38:29):
the clues just to see if you can catch me.
Yours very sincerely, wait and see.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
So in August nineteen sixty six, there's a savage attack
on a fifteen year old girl, but this time there's
a new detail. There are long parallel scratches down the
torso of the victim. And then that's the final attack
for four years. Wow. Then in August of nineteen seventy,
a thirteen year old boy wakes up to a flashlight

(38:58):
shining in his eyes. He's taken out of the house
with the roper on the neck. He's led to the field.
He's raped, attacked, led back to the house. This time
the beast tells the boy stay quiet because if you
don't quote, something will happen to your mother and father.
So the parents find the boy disheveled en and he
tries to say nothing's wrong, and finally he breaks and

(39:21):
tells the parents everything. And when he's taken to the
hospital or inspected by police, I'm not sure which one,
but they basically on the boy, they find the same long,
parallel scratches that they found on the girl from nineteen
sixty six, and the boy tells police that the man
had black, spiky hair and a terrifying mask. On a

(39:44):
year later, this is July tenth, nineteen seventy one. Two
policemen are sitting in a traffic light at a red light.
It's eleven forty five at night, and a car speeds
past them, runs the red light and is driving radically
and so of course they throw on their lights or
however they do it in Jersey, and they get into

(40:08):
a high speed chase with this car and it's total
Jason Bourne style, where on this blog she was saying
the guy drove up on the sidewalk. He was like
doing everything he could to get away from.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
These cars this tiny fucking island. Yeah, that's so crazy,
driving everywhere.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
And basically finally he drives through a hedge and into
the middle of a tomato field and like comes crash
into a stop, gets out, starts running through the tomato field.
The cops get out chase them on foot, they tackle them,
they arrest him, they bring him to the police station,
and finally when they when they get into the light
of the police station, they see that he First of all,

(40:48):
they notice in the car with him how musty his
coat smells, and it strikes them immediately that it's like
just this weird, gross smell, which is what every single
one of his victims mention that it was that fucking bad.
Were like that immediately. So then when they get into
the light of the police station, they see that there

(41:08):
are one inch nails hooking up out of the shoulders
of his coat and out of the the lapels of
his coat and around the cuffs of his coat. So
he is sewn in one inch nails to stick out
like punk rock styles stick out of his coat. And
then they see that he has cloth wristbands that he
has made tied around his wrists that also have one

(41:31):
inch nails sticking out due So then they see that
his pants are tucked into his socks, he's wearing slippers
and wool gloves, And then they check his pockets, so
in there he's got a flash light with black tape
over the light part with just a little slit, so

(41:53):
Only a tiny bit of light will come out of
that flash light.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So no one will notice it.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, so he can basically control and direct the light
when he's breaking into houses. Then they find two lengths
of what they call sash cord, which I think means
like curtain curtain cord on him. He's got empty cigarette packs,
rolls of duct tape, and a black wig with stiff,

(42:21):
spiky hair. And that's when they find the mask. Are
you ready to see the mask? There's your mask.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Look at that. Oh
my god, let me see that.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
It is so fucked up. Okay, So what that mask
is is it looks like it looks like Edward's scissor.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Hands if he were in a fire.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
It's like Edgar Edward scissor Hands and Michael Myers had
a baby, and that baby.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Rapist was a horrifying monster, the scariest.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Okay, the mask is the reason I read the article
about him, because it's the scariest thing I've ever seen
that's actually real. Because I was like, I want to
look this up and this is going to be fake,
because that's so horrifying. You wake up and that's standing
at the end of your bed. No, it's so no,
no like no, no.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So that's in his coat pocket, that mask.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
That mask is in his coat pocket, and the wig isn't.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So the wig he wore the wig and they're separate.
So the wig was in one pocket.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
And that wig is hard, like it's all stiff and hard.
It looks like gross, like gross dreadlocks.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, and it almost looks he almost looks like like Medusa.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, like it looks like snakes snake hair.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
What is that mask made out of because it looks
like it's made out of real human skin.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
It is.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I think it is an old rubber mask. So he
was just it was like pre Halloween, the scariest mask
of all time.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Okay, So he sorry, I got so excited to show
you that picture.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I left the page, haflet. Actually, I'm gonna turn this
upside down because it's so well, I don't want to
stare at it. It's not cool at all. My god,
that's terrifying poor.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
People, I know.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
So it turns out that this man the Beast of
Jersey is Edward Paynell. He's a forty six year old
contractor from a wealthy family. He has a wife named Joan.
He has a daughter and two step children. He is
well respected throughout the island and and he's very kind
of prominent. This is a there's a real not type

(44:36):
Anny John Wayne Gacy parallel because he and his wife
first met when he worked as a handyman at the
foster home that her mother ran, called La Preference, and
he would often visit to hand out candy and during
the holidays dressed up like father Christmas.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
No no, no, no, no, no no. The children knew him.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
His uncle Ted Y.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Of course they did.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, they of course the police investigate. They find out
that Joan and Ted's marriage is not a happy one
and that in fact, they're basically man and wife in
name only. That he has built himself basically an annex
off of the house, so he has an office and
like living quarters and this whole thing that's separate from
the house, so he can come and go as he pleases.

(45:22):
And his wife says, you know, he keeps odd hours
because he's a big fisherman and he likes to go
on long walks at night, so he's you know, he
he's up and out of the house at all hours.
And it's always been for years. God, yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I wonder if she suspected him ever and just like
didn't ever want to say anything or didn't couldn't accept
it or.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I mean, you would think with the marriage being so
unhappy that he moves, you know, he built himself into
part of the house to live in, that something bad
was happening. But there's a video of Joan that I
saw because there's an actual like old you know what
looks like BBC footage or whatever, and someone's interviewing her

(46:07):
and she just looks like, no, the man I know
would never hurt a child, and she's she seems like
she means what she says, of course, but then who
knows because there were lots of abuse allegations at this
foster home and at others. So there's another part of this.

(46:27):
But basically all these abuse allegations at different foster homes
on the Isle Island of Jersey against him specifically, no,
against these people. It's super crazy. That's part of the
black hole I fell into, which is watching these videos
from other victims of who lived at these other like

(46:50):
they I think they call them home care, but it's
basically their fo there one is of this one is
obviously a foster home, a big fosphor like an orphanage essentially,
but another one, the worst one, or from what the
stories I saw was, of course, it was a Catholic

(47:12):
you know, send your babies here if you're having them
out of wetlock, and we'll raise them for you, because
you're not allowed to have children. Meanwhile, they beat the
living shit out of them and rape and molest them,
and all this horrible stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Is happening there.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
And they have the real people who lived there talking
about being woken up in the middle of the night
by the people that work there and led down into
these cellars, and they actually it was so bad that
the police started investigating and they found shackles. They dug
up these cellars and found shackles along one wall, and
they found all these bones, children's bones there, like it's crazy, terrible.

(47:52):
It ended up leading to an investigation called Operation Rectangle,
and the it recorded a total of five hundred and
fifty three alleged offenses, with one hundred and fucking one
named offenders and one hundred and ninety two victims on
this island where in twenty fourteen one hundred thousand people live. Yeah,

(48:13):
so insanity, like something super fucked up was happening.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, oh that's so dark and that like that like
top of the Lake. Yes, a thing where it's like,
oh you don't you don't know the secrets that go
on in these.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yes, and apparently that kind of like privacy and all that.
It's a real big deal there, of course, and part
of the reason people live there. But then that breeds
this kind of like nobody talking about anything and nobody
knowing about them.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
You can kind of hide and play inside as like
a fucking creep.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
And the underrepresented and the marginalized that gets sent to
a you know, some horrible home somewhere. Yeah, you know,
then it suddenly becomes so anyway, basically they go to
his house with a you know, to look into his house,
and they find they oh she the quote that she

(49:10):
said was he's the most loving, caring man who had
never hurt a child. Joan joan joan.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So when the police questioned him about why he was
driving so crazy, he told them that he was on
his way to an orgy, and that's why he was
dressed so oddly because he didn't want anyone to recognize
him on the way to the orgy, because of course
everyone would know where he was going in his car.
Then he explained away the nails sticking out of his
clothing that he wanted to be prepared in case anyone

(49:38):
attacked him with martial arts.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Told the police, I do that too.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Uh huh. It's always going to be ready with a
series of nails, nail jewelry. Yep. So when they searched
the house, they find a locked secret room inside his room.
Oh my god, he's already got his own annex. Oh
my god. Then he's got a locked secret room.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Tell me what's an Well, guess what it smells like?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Must. Yes, he loves must.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
That shell.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I mean, it's like one of the fucking clues. I mean,
apparently this whole room smelled like the jacket. And inside
the room they find an old blue track suit. They'd
find an old raincoat, homemade wigs, which for some reason
I find bone chilling, and false eyebrows, which is also
very creepy. Yeah, so he was clearly playing with his

(50:29):
appearents constantly. So even if even if they said, oh,
I was also at that bus stop and I saw
that ry, but they whatever description they would give would
never be accurate.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, which was his plan.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
And what they start to realize is he he had
these plans set in place for years. Yeah. He because
they found a camera hanging on a hook, and then
they found photos of houses from around the island, and
eventually they got out of him that he would choose
his victims, sometimes years in advance. What he would take

(51:03):
a picture of the house. He would memorize the map
of the house. He knew exactly whose room was whose,
and what window to go into, so he would never
he never accidentally went into some wrong window and it
was in the parents room. He always knew which room
the children's room was, oh my god. And he knew
exactly when to go and when they were by themselves

(51:24):
or when everybody was asleep, like he planned it meticulously.
Scary me like no other story we've done. A scared
It's the fucking scariest thing of all. He is the
legit boogeyman, like crazy. And then basically the nails for
real were if somebody caught him, tried to grab his hand,

(51:44):
tried to grab his shoulder, he would get away, oh
my god, Like he had all these things planned to
make sure he never got caught, and that's why it
happened for so long. Then they also found what they
what they called in and the blog I was reading,
she refers to it as black magic and things related

(52:04):
to black magic. But in another article I read they
were like a full on altar to Satan in his
barn behind a red velvet curtain, which none that was
not mentioned in anyway in this blog, which I kind
of I trust her, she's so thoroughly researched.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, that's a little David Lynch.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
It's a little where to get a red curtain? And
how come Noah noticed a red curtain in a barn? Ye,
It's always possible, and it would be very striking and
effective for black magic uses. Like I'm in the middle
of a kip of a field filled with gorgeous cows.
I turn around, here's this curtain out of nowhere. Okay,

(52:45):
So anyway, all kinds of satanic shit though in this room,
so basically that I mean, that's it. He goes to
trial and on November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy one, it
took thirty eight minutes to decline him guilty of all charges.
He's sentenced to thirty years in prison. That's it, and
he gets out in twenty what. He was a model prisoner.

(53:09):
He's paroled in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yes, stop.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
He goes to prison in nineteen seventy one. He gets
out in nineteen ninety one, but he tries to move
back to Jersey. Oh hell no, and the people are like, yeah,
no way. So he ends up moving to the Isle
of Wight and he dies there of a heart attack
in nineteen ninety four. So I think the Isle of
Wight is from what I know. I think one of

(53:35):
my favorite bands is from the Isle of Wight. And
I think it's real sparse. We do look that up
really quick. Steven think he's already doing it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
But oh my, twenty years.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Twenty years because it's all rape. And this was the
seventies when they were like, uh.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, I wish that would not like that anymore.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I know. Well it's getting better though, certain places, like
a serial rapist would would not get out of jail
in twenty years. They don't do that anymore. I mean,
I know every case.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I'm trying to I forgot to believe you and everything.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Okay, good, okay, great, great, great.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Thanks for telling me Karen. Let's see, okay, was I
right about the Isle of Wight? It's the Bees? I
love that chicken pay Back best ever? See me? Just
you just looked up the musicians. Wait, but do we
know anything about the here? Let me just actually say
notable bands from oh what whatever?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
It's the second it's the largest and second.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Most pop most populist isle island in England. So I
was totally wrong.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
With the fine.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Oh my god, let's go to the Isle of Wight.
They have a really good music festival there. I believe that. Again,
that could be bullshit. I believe you know, I believe me.
Uh So anyway, then, oh, this is the final thing
in that operation wreck tangle. The police and had to
actually announce that there was no firm evidence linking Paynel

(55:08):
to any of the abuse that took place at that
Catholic nun home. It was called the Hot de la Grene.
That I did not pronounce that right where really terrible
things happened. So they had to say, there's there's no
you know, Beast of Jersey is not connected to this,
although he wasn't known to be a regular visitor there.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Oh what a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
So basically they're just saying there's no firm evidence. But
he also came here all the time. Yeah, and horrible
things happened, and he liked the children here to hang.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Out at this place.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah. So horrible, horrible, Uh and freakishly like, how how
did I never hear of any of that?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, well I have a similar one. Oh, horrible, horrible,
freakish How did I never hear about this before?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Shit?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Okay, another list, list of horrible things that have happened. Yes,
this one, I've heard the name that I'd never heard of,
I'd never known what happened. Surprisingly, this is the Mad
Butcher of Kingsbury Run aka the Cleveland Torso Killers.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Gosh, God, damn it, or you're gonna do it for Cleveland?
I yes, but I knew it's such a good one
that as we neither of us have done for so
long that it's just been dangling out there.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
You, thank you. I swooped in. I apologize, got to
do it. But here I here, I go, here, you go,
let me try to make do it, give a justice
and everything. So nineteen thirties Cleveland. It's the sixth largest
city in America, but it's the most dangerous because of
they have a high rate of traffic accidents which sucks,
and rampant organized crime along with antiquated police force. One

(56:52):
of the high crime areas was on the south side
of the city, known as Kingsbury Run. It's a riverbed
like ravine located near the suburb of Shaker Heights and
it's where the train tracks run along, so a lot
of transients riding the rails in the nineteen thirties would
camp out there, and in the depression era of nineteen thirties,

(57:12):
it was this dark, dreary, dangerous place and.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
There was a lot of there was a lot of.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Let's see, it was like a hobo camp at that point.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Pasically, yes, so, and hobo is okay to say, I know,
right it is. Many people told us it stands for homeboy,
which means like I'm on my way home boy, right,
like I'm on the train.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, okay. So it's a makeshift They call it a
hobo jungle, and it's just that it's just this crazy
transient encampments with made of boxes and you know, thrown
together houses and this sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
And it's right next to.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
A place known as the Roaring third, which is kind
of like this neighborhood that's home to bars and brothels,
flop house is gambling places. It's like the fucking down
and dirty area, all grimy. And this is the setting
where the most notorious murder cases in Cleveland's history start
to happen. Well, in September nineteen thirty five, two teenage

(58:17):
boys and this is this is a lot of people
stumming along along a lot of body parts in this
in this show. So in September nineteen thirty five, two
teenage boys playing at the base of Jackass Hill in
Kingsbury run.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yes, yep.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
How could you knock go to Jackass Hill every day
if you were like twelve?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, I'm going. Yes where else will we play? Please? Okay?
All right?

Speaker 3 (58:42):
So they discover the decapitated emasculated. Oh they call it
body of a white male.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Oh shit, can you fucking imagine?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Like, is it worse to come upon a body or
fucking headless body?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Headless body? Yeah, you're right, that's been emasculated. Yeah, that's horrifying. Yeah,
So their lives are ruined because here's the thing. Can
I just say, yeah, if you come upon a body,
you don't know what happened, and a number of things
could have happened. Right, you come upon a headless, emasculated body,
you immediately know someone did that to that, someone like

(59:17):
headless and emasculated. Someone did it intentionally. Jesus christ Us,
it's the worst car accident of all time, which it isn't, okay.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The body is naked except for a pair of socks.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
I know, I know, cleaned and drained of blood, and
the cause of death is the decapitation.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, which is horrifying.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But sorry, cleaned and drained of blood like black Dahlia style.
Mm hm oh oh wait. So the area is being
searched by the police.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
They get there, they're like probably talking those kids down
from freaking the fuck out. Oh my god, And around
thirty feet away, another male corpse is found. This body
in the same position and the head and genitals also
had been removed. The body appeared to be a forty
year old male, covered with a chemical preservative, and appeared

(01:00:16):
to have been dead for at least a couple of
weeks before being dumped. After becoming to decayed, almost as
if someone had tried to preserve the body wherever he
was wasn't working.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Got rid of the body.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Super creepy that we can hear a train right buck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Riding those rails. This scared me, I know, right, can't
hear that? Stephen, the mad butcher at Kingsbury Run is
on that train right now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
For only now why there hasn't been a train gone
by here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
He is okay close to the bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Though they find both heads as well as both sets
of genitals. They had discarded them as though they had
just been thrown away. No blood is found on the
ground or on the bodies, and so they had been
cleaned and somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
The younger man, the first body that was found, had
been dead for about three days, and his fingerprints were
able to lead him to who he was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
He was Edward Andersi.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
He's a twenty eight year old guy who minor police
record for carrying a concealed weapon. He lived near Kingsbury Run.
He was kind of a rough and tumble dude. He
had a reputation for being a drunk and frequently getting
into fights. And when they did the autopsy based on
the cuts, the operation was done very skillfully and the
investigators suspected that the killer might be a butcher a

(01:01:34):
surgeon or at least someone familiar with killing animals, which.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Seems like it's always the case.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Like I think, if you don't know what you're doing,
you don't try to start doing that or like you
get you kind of get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Like a you get like a fetish for it. Yeah,
if you do it to like animals, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Maybe if you're a certain certain sort of psychopath. Right. Oh, sorry,
that was the the John Ronson book that I started
with audiobook was The Psychopath Test. Oh, it was the
whole reason that all started. And it's such a good book. Sorry,
Oh you're good. I should have said that before. But
it basically there's no difference, the relatively no difference between

(01:02:12):
a psychopath and a sociopath.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
It's all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
He goes into all of that, but away it's relevant.
It's very relevant. But like that, you couldn't just a
normal person if you were going to kill somebody, even
if you planned it out. Yeah, if you were, you
would have to be devoid of feeling to do all
that stuff. Yeah, because you yeah, you you'd have to
be a certain mental type to be able to clean

(01:02:36):
a body, drain it of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Cut it, cut pieces of it off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah, like the thought of so, like, I'm a pretty
normal person and the thought of having to you just
you just nodded your head in the most sarcastic way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Was that involuntary?

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
It was? It was silent, it was was that involuntary,
It was conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
I appreciate it, though, because I don't want to be normal.
I mean in that I'm not a psychopath. So the
thought of having to go from here to killing someone
is such a huge leap that the people who are
okay doing it must be must be fucking closer to
that already, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I don't think it's a I don't think it's
like a line in the sand. I think it is
a total is light on or off, because there's nothing
more like. And you watch him when you're watching a
movie and people like, ugh, it was a fucking oh
that movie, the Ewan McGregor movie he would that made
him a star. Oh where they killed their roommate. No, no, no, no,

(01:03:39):
it was the one where they it was the three roommates.
They decide to kill the fourth roommate, or maybe they
don't kill him, but he's dead and they cut up
his body, and it basically having to watch people who
aren't like that have to do something that horrible. Is
I can'te any movie like that. Yeah, I mean it's
a good movie, but it's so stressed.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Okay, because then you just picture you would have to do.
Did you watch second season of Search Party?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
You haven't watched it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
They're all just dealing with the I'm not gonna spoil it,
but they're dealing with the ramifications of the first and uh,
what's her name?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Aliah Chakrat. She is so good. She's such a great actress.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
She's a great actor, and this whole season of her
just having stress over what they did. It's amazing. It's
really hard to watch. That's very stressful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Oh it's shallow grave Sorry okay, I never say okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
It's a good movie, but so stressful in that way
where just like they do it for money, but like
you when you entertain that idea where you'd be like,
what would it take for you to cut up a
human body?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I just don't. There isn't an amount of money,
I don't think, so eat for me thether I'd rather
go to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
It would ptsdu into infinity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Totally totally the older man. The second body is impossible
to identify, and that's a fucking thing. Most of these
bodies that are found are never identified. Hope that would
be easy to find the killer because the guy who
they could identify, Edward was you had this trail through
slazy bars and gambling places, and he's known to be
a procure of young girls for prostitution and also admitted to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Have male levers. So it was like, it's going to
be one of these people from this area of he
was a gay pimp in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Uh huh, yeah, he's from the Roaring Third. They're like,
it's going to be someone here in ran King's very
run easy. But they follow lead after lead and they
can't find any really good suspects, and it leads the
investigation leads nowhere, so the press starts calling him, calling
the killer the mad Butcher of Kingsbury.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Run, which is like such a cool fucking name. Yeah,
it's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
So a couple months later on in January of nineteen
thirty six, a woman discovers two half busheled baskets left
alongside a manufacturing building in the city. Inside the baskets
and neatly wrapped in newspaper. She finds about half the
body of a female whoa. The rest of her body
is found about ten days later in a vacant lot nearby.

(01:06:05):
I mean, people are stumbling upon nightmare after a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Also, if it was wrapped, it said it was wrapped
in newspaper.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So she unwrapped it and be like, what's in here?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
She's like, this could be a stack of money. That's
totally what I would be like. Look at this stained,
wet money. I can't wait to unwrap it and spend it.
Fuck no, so fucking Also, because it's like you're saying
depression eye.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
She's like, this fucking food. Maybe the sea food. I'm starving.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Let this be. How about some nice dishes?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
No, how about a nightmare for the rest of your life? God,
some nice dishes from the five and dime. Um okay.
The cause of death again is decapitation. Fingerprints identified the
body as Florence Plilo or Flow. She's this fucking like
Flow Palila, Flow Plilo. She's this like salty, fucking older woman.

(01:06:56):
There's like a good photo of her online. She's a
waitress of barmaid and a second worker. She clearly doesn't
give a fuck, carries a shank in her purse like
obviously she's doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
She's getting hurt, she's stacking that paper until she got decapitation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
As the time of her death, she lived right on
the edge of the Roaring Third and her head is
never found.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
WHOA Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
In June and nineteen thirty six in Kingsbury Run, two
young boys are fucking out doing stuff and they find
the head of a white male wrapped in a pair
of trousers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
What fuck those poor kids.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Police found the body of the twenty some year old
man the next day, so they found the head. Then
they found the buy the next day, dumped in front
of a police building. WHOA cleaned and drained of blood.
Everything's intact except for the head, again caused by decapitation,
which is like, we're going to really talk about it.
I don't want to. That's the fucking one of the
worst ways to die. He died of decapitation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Even fast, isn't it. Yeah, you got a hope. What
if it's like for twenty minutes, if you're alive in your.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Head, that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
But that's why you want someone.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Who's actually good at who's like is a butcher or
a surgeon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah, you don't want someone hacking away your neck? No, No,
you want a nice guillotine style boom.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Make it quick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
What was that? I didn't feel anything, Lord Jesus, is
that you? Yeah, or whoever your lord might be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Okay, I'll take anyone at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, just give me a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
A plaster reproduction.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
This is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
A pilaster reproduction of the man's head because I couldn't
identify him, along with diagrams of his tattooed are displayed
so the public can try to identify him. And it's
this creepy like plaster mask.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
It's so gross. That's the one thing I do remember
about this. All the details are very fuzzy as until
you say them. But though I can see those masks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
There's a lot of them, and you actually can see
them in Cleveland. We should go and at the Cleveland
Police Museum, they have a bunch of We're going yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Two ticks. I pull that out.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
If I did that, he's called the tattooed Man and
he's never identified.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
In July nineteen thirty six, while walking through the woods
near the West Side, a teenage girl comes across the
decapitated remains of a white male in his forties.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
The victim had been dead about two months.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
In his head as well as a pile of bloody
clothing was found nearby.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Oh, who is doing this? Also two months?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
That thing?

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Did she not? From fifty paces show? Had something? Smells terrible?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
But probably back then everything smelled bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Oh true?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
No, true, true, true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
This was back when you had to put deodoran on.
It was in a pot and you had to put
it on cream deodorant.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I've ever seen that, knowing you didn't probably shower a lot, right, yeah,
and you just.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Slapped on some cream deodour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Yeah no, gross my hand. No.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
So this time though, there's an enormous qualit quantity of blood.
So they're like, he must have been killed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
There in the forest. Yeah, in the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Then in September nineteen thirty six, so two months later,
a transient trips over the upper half of a man's
torso while trying to hop on a train in Kingsbury.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Run.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Oh did he get on that train? No? I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So he is trying to catch a train and heat
trips and that's what it is. Insult injury. Police send
a diver into a nearby swimming hole like sewer area
and find the lower half of the torso and parts
of both of his legs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I hope that diver was compensated handsomely.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Handsomely because also it's a swimming hole, so it'd be
all murky.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
It's really probably a gross place. It's more feeling around
than diving with your eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Yeah, Okay, this victim, who's the number six victim, is
in his late twenties. Cause of death decapitation Corner notes
that the head had been cut off with one bold,
clean stroke, which indicated strong competent killer, very familiar with
the human anatomy, and that the victim died instantly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
So that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Thank god identifications never made because you know, this is
a time back then where it's all these transients trying
to get jobs. They're they're riding the rails from city
to city, trying to not be in the cold, freezing
cold winter, trying to make a little bit of money
anywhere they can. So it's just this huge transient population.
So these and it seems like the killer, you know,

(01:11:18):
use that to his advantage because if they can't identify
the victims they can't track who they spoke to, who
they were, who they were friends with.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, clearly it was a decision that was being made
exactly who to pick exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
So plaster casts again are made, and some with actual
hair from the victims. No, and the plaster cast not necessary, No,
we get it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Brown hair, just a card. So this makes six brutal
killings in one year and the police had no.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Clues or suspects. The press reported almost daily on this.
Everyone's freaking the fuck out. The officials are super desperate
and embarrassed, and everyone's like, what is crappening?

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Everyone's like, watch where you walk, don't walk anywhere. Tripping
over bodies has become a big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yeah, it's the new It's all the rage around this time,
around the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
That these started.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Elliot Nass, who's the legendary prohibition agent? You know, we
all know Elliot as It's Kevin Costner. I remember watching
The Untouchables and I was a kid, and I shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
A kid movie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
No, I will never forget, and I will never forget.
There's a scene where he takes a baseball bat and
bashes someone's head, and I haven't seen the movie since
I was a kid, and yet I still remember that
scene very well. Yeah, yeah, really fucked me up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
He was the good guy, right, uh huh, yeah, I
didn't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I don't know why that was anyways, Elliot nass. So
he at this point is appointed safety director of Cleveland,
which means he's in charge of cops and firefighters and everything.
He gets more involved in the case, they put a
psychological profile together, sam that the offender was a psychopath,
although probably not obviously insane, He had some knowledge of anatomy,

(01:13:08):
and he would have been very skilled at cutting flesh
obviously because decapitations are very messy. It was believed that
he had access to some private space where the murders
were performed. And if this was true, then the fact
that the bodies had been carried long distances to be
dumped indicated that he was probably really strong. So he

(01:13:30):
also may have been familiar with the Kingsbury Run area.
And yeah, and then two full time detectives are put
on the case. These two dudes go undercover into Kingsbury
Run like shanty town, which sounds so much fucking fun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Isn't that shit?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Why isn't there a movie about this? I don't know,
because that's amazing. I think it's called The Adventures of
Natty Yan.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Isn't it. She went into put shanty town.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
I don't know, decapitation murders, Oh no, no, no, that's
part two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
She was so brave, that little girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That would kind of be amazing female empowerment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
She just tripping over tourso marching through fam me that head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I didn't give a fuck. So they get it. They
get a fucking go undercover.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
There's like photos of them too online of like being like, oh,
look at me being a hobo, and it's like it's
like if you weren't a dress up as a quote
hobo for fucking Halloween, like how you look?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
No? Sorry, can I sidebar this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yes? Because I did dress up as.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
A hobo one year. I may have told you, yeah,
it was my own idea, because right around age eight,
I think my mom started telling me I was on
my own Halloween costume style. So it was just like
whatever you could gather around the house was your costume.
One time I was a caddy because I found old
a small, old set of golf clubs in the garage.

(01:14:50):
Then only even just carried golf clubs around. Yeah, that
was my costume was how did we manual labor?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
How did we?

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Why I didn't we?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Why didn't anyone care? Put your kids? And then you
go you dress as.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
A fucking caddy and then it's like go out by
yourself at night and knock on people's doors and ask
for candy. But it didn't I didn't make it to
the night with the caddy outfit because at school in
its like Halloween parade, I learned my lesson of like
I'm carrying twenty pounds of golf clubs for no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And also in this day.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
And age, can you imagine a parent being like make
your own costume. They would be arrested and like you'd
never hear from them again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
So anyway, that year I became I was a hobo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
So I just had a bunch of old clothes and
you know, it was the classic seventies child costume. Sure,
but what I thought was going to be innovative is
I put vacline on my face and then I put coffee
grounds on the vassiline so that it looked like I
had a bird. And it was fun and creative until
the part where we all ate delicious snacks started happening,

(01:15:55):
and everything I ate tasted like coffee because that was
what was on my face. And I ruined Halloween for myself. No,
my mother ruined Halloween for me. I think the seventies
ruined How long?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
How did any of us enjoy fucking anything? That's a
great question.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
It was all aba zaba anyway, Okay, go ahead, Um,
they're dressed up like right, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
They interview more than fifteen hundred people. It becomes the
biggest police investigation in Cleveland history. And then on February
nineteen thirty seven, a man finds the upper half of
a female torso washed up on shore on the shore
east of broughtanal got that wrong, Rattan Broughton all b

(01:16:41):
r A h T brought E n Ahl Britannel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
I hear Cleveland screaming about us from the audience right
now of.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Our fucking Cleveland show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
It sounds like, yeah, okay, Scooby Doo talk right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Unlike all the previous victims, the cause of death had
not been to capitation. It because that had happened after
she had already been dead, and the lower half of
the torso washed ashore three months later at about East
thirtieth Street. The woman was in her late twenties. She's
never identified. Wow, so it's weird too that again, like
with your dude, they're changing up the mos. Yeah, so
it's almost like, you know, nobody's fucking safe.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, because if they do it long enough, they're like
developing and fine tuning right their own creepy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
I mean, it becomes for both these cases, it's not
about it. It's about the act, not about the victim,
and not about the want and a need. It's more
like about this obsession. Yeah, So it doesn't matter if
you do it on a boy or a girl or
a grown woman or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Right, it's all the Yeah, it's the planning and the
and the picking and the right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
It's enjoying. It's enjoying.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It's being a psychopath. Yeah, it's being a murderous, lunatic
psychopath totally.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
June nineteen thirty seven, eight teenage boy discovers a human
skull to it in a burlac bag is several remains
of what turned out to be a petit black woman.
So this time it's a black woman, which changes the motion.
About forty years old, gentle work shows that she is
Rose Wallace, and police follow every lead they have on her,

(01:18:17):
but nothing is found. Then in July nineteen thirty seven,
the National Guard had been called to maintain order at
the flats or you know, everything's going on, and a
young guardsman is standing watch by a bridge and sees
the first piece of victim number nine in the wake
of a passing tug boat.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Over the next few days, police recovered the entire body
except for the head, from the waters of the Cuyahoga River.
The victim who had been mutilated was in his mid
to late thirties. He's never identified.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
God, howd it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Did it come off the tugboat? Perhaps?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Ooh, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I mean, like, did it make anyone go? Maybe the
cause if you were on a boat, if you were
the cat to say, you were like a crab fisherman
or something. You're not near the ocean, but.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Some that is a yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
That it's a vessel where you could be by yourself totally.
You could clean things ooh, and you could rinse things
off in the water in the water. Let's surround you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
That's a good point, thank you. M Let's look into
that okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
In nineteen thirty eight, a young laborer is on his
way to work in the flats and saw what he
first thought was a dead fish along the banks of
the Cuyahoga River. Turns out to be the lower half
of a woman's leg. Oh, this is victim number ten.
A month later, police pulled two burlack bags out of
the river, containing both parts of the torso and most
of the rest of the legs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
She's never identified.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Wow, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Then in August nineteen thirty eight, three scrap collectors forging
in a dump site, which you're like, don't do that
in Cleveland right now, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Guys, this is the time where you maybe get into writing, right,
maybe go internal. Yeah, don't do any kind of garbage
based activity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
No, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
They find the torso of a woman wrapped in a
man's double breasted blue blazer, then wrapped again in an
old quilt. The legs and arms are discovered in a
recently constructed makeshift box, wrapped in brown butcher paper and
held together with rubber bands. And this is the weirdest
one to me because it's makes me think that they're
and obviously this is one of the ideas is that

(01:20:27):
it's a lot of different killers because this one's like
it's disposed of so differently, and I'm shocked that they
couldn't find any clue based on that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
From a suit jacket where back when everything was tailor made.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah, from the suit jacket to the box, to the
rubber bands to the quilt. It's like, it's so crazy
that they couldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
And maybe if it, just if it were the same killer,
they've done it so many times and now they're taunting
the police of like, here's a ton of clues and
you're still not going to find me. Yeah, could be Yeah,
so okay, yeah, because there's a big difference between a
burlap sack and a blazing Yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
And it's like that it's hidden more than it more
than it was and it was in a dump site,
so it was like it wasn't left out to be found.
So I bet this one is I bet this one
is made is like the husband made to look like,
oh yeah, it's one of the victims. Oh yeah, the
Torso killer. Smart that you think. And it says that
some of the parts look like they had been refrigerated

(01:21:33):
while searching for more pieces the place discovered the remains
of a second body only yards away.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Nevermind, so well maybe that was her lover.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Maybe here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
These two bodies have been placed in a location that
was in plain view from Elliot Nessa's office window. Whoa,
so yeah, toying with him? Well also that's his office
was close to a dump site. Yeah, like the dumps
Yeah essentially, yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I wonder if theories what?

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
If so maybe it was like, let's say it was
the husband who killed the wife and the lover and
wanted them to get found because he wants the insurance money.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
But they're going to just assume that it was killed
by the torso killer. So it wasn't like he murdered them, right,
I don't know that'd be a great plan. Yeah, thank you.
And that means by that I mean terrible, I.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Mean awful really So August eighteen, nineteen thirty eight, at
twelve forty am, Elliot ness and a group of thirty
five police officers and detectives raid the hobo jungles of
the Kingsbury Run. They arrest sixty three men there and
they search the shanties that they are that are now
deserted looking for clues.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
But you can't decapitated and emasculate a body and a shanty,
so they just go after the poorest and represented. M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Well, they think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Because all these bodies seem to be of transience that
it must be one of their okay, doing it all right,
But yeah, they're not going to do it in the
shanty There's very little privacy in the shanty town. That's
true from my experience. That's a country song, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Any town to myself, in this shanty town.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
And then they set the shacks on fire and burn
the whole fucking shandytown around. Yeah, that's what the fucking
Cleveland people said too, What the fuck not their non solution,
non solution. The press are really pissed off about it too.
They criticized Ness for his actions, but the murders did

(01:23:40):
stop after this happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Oh maybe, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
In July nineteen thirty nine, they bring in their suspect,
fifty two year old Bohemian bricklayer Frank doles All does
all dolls all?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Oh like Rachel dolez All, a woman who posed to
me how did she spell it? Do l e z
l I think, yes, that's off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
That was off, right, Frank do All? Dose all, Well,
what a rich history that family has had.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
I mean, So he's arrested because he had lived with Flow,
our friend Flow, and who had been was the body
that was found in the baskets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
He had lived with her for a while, and it
revealed that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
He had been acquainted with the two other identified bodies,
Edward Andersy and Rose Wallace. So, after a ton of
questioning and getting beat the fuck up by investigators, he
confesses that he had stabbed her killed her in self defense,
but he didn't know any of the case details, and
it didn't He kept getting bruises and injuries from his

(01:24:48):
time in custody with the Cleveland Police, and within a
month in custody, he's found.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Dead in his cell. Oh no, it said he hung
himself with his bed sheets.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
He from a hook that was five foot seven inches
to off the ground and he was five foot eight. No,
so that math doesn't add up. And when they medical
records show he had four broken he had broken ribs
and bruises all over his body that were not there
before he entered prison. Yeah, so not fucking I'm just

(01:25:24):
telling you the information I read not saying anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
It's really good call, but yeah, that's dead all sounds.
The problem with that too, is when you kill the suspect,
even if it's a bad suspect, you still don't know anything, right,
Like you're you're still cutting off that line of information.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Well it's almost like you're not learning anything, and you
get more and more angry about it, and so you
hurt him more and more to get more information.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
But if he doesn't know the information, he can't give
it to you, right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
So yeah, yeah, to this day, no one thinks that
he is the killer, all the historians and shit. So,
but it turns out there's a secret suspect that Elliott
Ness interrogated in nineteen thirty eight, but it didn't come
out who it was until the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Was it Herbert Hoover? It was Herbert? Turns out it
was a deranged doctor. Yeah, of course, sorry, I love that. Yeah,
doctor Francis E.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Sweeney.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
And he sounds like, you know, a fucking classic deranged
doctor okay, murderer type.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
He's a veteran of World War One who was part
of the medical unit that conducted amputations.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Why did you just laugh, Stephen, I was trying to
cover up a sneeze. Oh okay, good.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
We're like, oh, Stephen's finally as fucked up as a
Oh no, he's sneezing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I thought you laughed so hard that you like had
to cover your face, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
That that's when it's revealed Stephen's intensely evil and has
been this entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
It's the thing that gets him is World War One.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yeah, that's his fucking favorite. That's when Stephen's real personality,
Steve comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Stee Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Okay, so he's part of a medical unit that conducted
amputations and patching's up in the field. During the interrogation
by Elliot Nass, who's like at this point losing a
shit because he's so embarrassed that he can't find the killer.
Sweeney said to have quote failed to pass two polygraph tests.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
But they were.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Kind of in their early stages at the time, so that's,
you know, we not totally.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Know back then.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
It was just a third cop holding your finger and
I go lying, not lying, very early, rudimentary.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
You can see that. You can see that in the
Cleveland Cop Museum too. Just that same cop sitting there.
We're going to go meet him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
It look it's the original light detector's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Just screaming at people's faces.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
That guy, Oh, Larry, he was amazing, li best lie detector.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
He was a light detective. I don't know, it seems
that okay.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
So it seems like elliot Ness definitely thought that fucking
creepy Francis E.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Sweeney was the killer, but.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
There isn't a lot of information on it because it
turns out that Sweeney was the first cousin of one
of elliot Ness's political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney, who
had been hounding elliot Ness in the press publicly about
his failure to catch the killer. So he was about
to run again so it would look really bad. He
was like, well, guess what, it's your cousin who's the killer,

(01:28:31):
and no one would believe him, and then if he
were wrong, he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Would ruin his career.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Elliots's careers, yes, very high stakes, right, So he's like, fuck,
I can't do this, but I totally think it's this dude.
And then he was like told everyone, don't fucking tell anyone,
And no one fucking told anyone until this dude was
writing a book in the nineteen seventies and was like
he was fucking Frank E.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Sweeney.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
So after he comes under suspicion, doctor Sweeney commits himself
to an insane I'm asylum and there are no more
leads or connections that police could assign to him as
a possible suspect. From his hospital confinement, he's threatening. Postcards
signed by Sweeney mocked and harrass were sent to Elliot
Nass and they mocked and harassed him and his family
into the nineteen fifties. WHOA you signed them?

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
F E. Sweeney?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Paranoial paranoidal nemesis, paranoidal paranoidal nemesis.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Wow, Okay, of course, I mean that's like kind of
admitting that you did it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
That's crazy. Yeah, he's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
It's possible, of course, that there were many murderers and copycats,
which I think might be the case. Similar decapitation murders
occurred in neighboring Newcastle, Pennsylvania as well, from nineteen twenty
three to nineteen forty, and none of those were ever
solved Eater either. So there's a lot of similar cases
and before the first two bodies were ever found in

(01:29:51):
nineteen thirty four, a woman's torso washed up on the
shores of Lake Erie outside of Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
The victims flesh had also had.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
The chemicals on it that looked like it had been trying
to embalm her, and they called her the Lady of
the Lake. But it wasn't until later that they put
those they made the connection that they were all they
could have been the same killer.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Oh wow, but but do do do? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
So it's also been theorized that the Cleveland torso murder
cases have some connection to January nineteen forty seven murder
of Elizabeth Short aka the Black Dahlia. In fact, one
of the many suspects from Cleveland was living a few
blocks away from where the body of the Black Dahlia

(01:30:39):
was found seven and a half and drained of blood.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
No fucking way way.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
So somebody that got interviewed for for the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Way back in the thirties or those murders in Cleveland
fifteen years before, huh moves out to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Sunny, Ca couple blocks away to try his handed acting.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
U huh or what have you? Yeah, Like, what are
the fucking chances.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
The very low, I would guess.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Or was he was?

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
He like, maybe he did kill her and he just
wasn't also the killer of the Torso people in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
That wouldn't not even be more of a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Yeah, no, no, no, because he'd been following the murders that
whole time in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
He was like, that sounds like fine, and he killed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Her, so he was copycatting as well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Yeah, either way, he killed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
The black doah yah shit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Yeah, but it's interesting to note that doctor Sweeney, who
didn't dineun till nineteen sixty four, spent the rest of
his life committed. He was allowed to leave for days
or weeks at a time because he committed himself, oh
until his permanent institutionalization in nineteen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
So maybe that motherfucker went to California for all.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Yeah, where'd he go when he got to leave?

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
Great question?

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Ooh Nessa's inability to catch the killer drove him fucking crazy,
and it also tarnished his reputation, which we know is
like fucking superhistoric and yeah, godly, and official police records
on the case have been lost, destroyed, or removed shit,
And so Cleveland Police Museum dot Com a lot of

(01:32:16):
good information there and a lot of photos and there's
some gruesome ones too, just so you guys know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
And also a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Website called Prairie Ghosts.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Dot Com got a lot of good information there as well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
So that is the uh the Cleveland Torso killer or
the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury run.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Also the fact that that ends with hooking up to
another great unsolved mystery is insane, Like it's so good.
I know, I'm crazy. Yeah, Because then it means potentially
it's some say, thirty years from now, they find some

(01:32:56):
kind of cat whatever, Like what if one day it's
sold and it's it's the Black Daha yet and the
Mad Butcher of King's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Jay I think the Black Dahlia will ever be solved.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
I mean that's what I asked for for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
So yes, I believe that hear me a spec of
DNA and then they put it through CODIS and it's related.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
It's the relation DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
That they have.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Now that's so cool. Oh yeah, where it can.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
Be like, uh, you're the person who's DNA this matches
is related to this other person who's in CODIS. Oh
so even if they're not in CODIS, which because they'll
be so old it wouldn't be in there, but they
could be like, this is the person's great grandson.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
So they could track them down anyway. Yeah, if that
person is in codis Did you ever listen to that series?
And I'm not going to be able to remember it off?
Oh no, I can. It's Hollywood and Crime. Oh yeah,
did you listen to that? And it's like basically all
those there were a bunch of similar murders before and after.
Our podcast is so fucking good Hollywood and Crime. If
you haven't listened to it, man, that's good. Na it is.

(01:34:00):
It wades right into all this whole the Black Delia territory,
Black Dahia thing is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
It's it's so much bigger than you thought. Yeah, and
it's it's a great podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Yeah. It tells all these stories. It tells it so well.
It's like it's re enactments. I feel like I recognize
some of the actors that are playing, like the cops
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
There's some really good voice acting in it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Yeah, listen to it from the beginning because it's not
it's episodic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
It's not. Yeah, and you need to know because there's
all these it's all connected it's it's amazing, so good.
Oh that was great, Thank Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Please let's say okay, all right, good job us, good
job us.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
That was really fun. Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, Let's do
it more haunted trains in the background. Twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
I can't ever move from here if I'm not gonna
have a haunted train. And it's the best when we
start recording from a fucking tr to train train, boxcar, boxcar,
from the dining car of a train where we have
to wear like forty's outfits and those pillbox hats with
netting down the front, Martini's snoots, Martinis with tons of olives.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
If more, if we get threatened by nuclear war, even
just a little bit more, I feel like I should
start drinking again. I feel like nothing bad will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
I think, wait till the first mom is dropped, okay,
and then I support you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
But then.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
You're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
When if you have a bummer, if you die of
a seizure before you could die of nuclear holocaust, wait
till you're ready to die of a seizure, Okay, promise me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
But here's the thing. Just so it just says an FYI,
the liquor and the seizures are not directly related. The
reason I can't drink is because the my medicine is
bad on my liver.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
You basically like will like speed yourself in deliver failure
if you keep drinking. But it's it's not good for it,
but it won't immediately make me have a seizure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Okay, if so, how and tell how long?

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
I think I got a good six months bender in
me before I drop.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
I don't think that we're gonna be around that much longer. Okay,
I think this this nuclear holocaust is common now. That
is the end where we say something popped.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Had such a good time doing jack shit over the holidays,
and I'm like, you know what, when the nuclear vincent
are gonna hold up in here?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
We've got water, we've got cat food. I will like
to say this. I got an argument with someone about
how I wouldn't eat my.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Cats what the fuck? And they were like, you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
I just remembered I got.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Really mad at this guy, my friend's cousin at the
Magic Castle Good because we got in this argument about like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Uh, you'd eat what you would eat your cats?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
And I'm like, I'd kill myself before you eat my
cats if I'm like if I have to, and he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
No, you wouldn't, Like fuck you. I got like some
mad and I was like, why am I talking to
this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
And turned Also, first of all, have you ever seen
this cat? There's not a exatively eat on his body.
That's what I was saying. For what three extra days?
That's just giblets. Yeah, and you got nothing going on
in that cat. That pouch on his belly is just skin.
That's yeah, you could you could chew on it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
But yeah, still so I'd have three extra days of
living knowing I'd eaten my cat. But brother, just die.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Sorry, why are we entertaining this. This is a person
that's someone's cousin. You don't even know them, and they're
telling you how you would be They do they know
that my cats have Instagram account? Yeah, they don't know
shit about your kids. Hats are money makers. You're not
going to eat them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
I love my cats so much that I have an
Instagram account for them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I'm not going to eat them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
That's the only way to prove love anymore. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yeah, Like one of that tries to tell me about
how to take care of my cats. I'm like, they
have an Instagram account, clearly, I'm that's like all I
think of it. And they just slam the door. Yeah,
and they have sixty six hundred follower.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Bill me uh anyhow so peace and loved everybody. Oh,
this is what I was gonna say, don't take the
nuclear strike off your worry table, because there are just
reams and loads of people in between. There's no button
on his desk. Okay, that's not how it's happening. Yeah,

(01:38:17):
and there's people, there's things happening.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Do you think that they put like one of those
staples you got that buttons on his desk and like
here it'song and then he's like pressing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah, yeah, there's it's it's not gonna go down like that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Okay, all right, I'll worry about other things in the meantime.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
I feel like I feel like there's so much to
worry about, and that one is so overarching as a
child of the as a true child of the nuclear age,
where that was actually a true concern of ours, like
they would talk to us about it in school. That's
how old I am. Don't do that to yourself because
it's just you know, it's just because in the dark

(01:38:57):
thing to say. But it's like, because you may maybe
the thing you should be worried about is getting it
by bus, Like you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
I'm thinking globally and I with problems, and I need
to think locally.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
You need to act locally. Yeah, locally with problems. And
I need to make you a martini. Clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Oh man, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
I know I've said this before. I'm really good being drunk.
I'm just like, I don't slur. I don't try to
tell you secrets. I don't fucking do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Why would I want to hang out with you and
give you a drink?

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Because I bring all this other stuff to the table.
Drawing and secrets are my favorite. How do you feel
about fist fight? Because I think as a girl, you
probably haven't gone into the realm the way you could have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
The way you can been in one fist fight? Do
you know that the I do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
I've never actually gotten into a fistfight, but one time
in a total whiskey blackout on New Year's at the
San Francisco punchline in the nineties. I a girl leaned
across the bar and started yelling at the bartender. Now
it could have been his girlfriend, she could have been
doing a bit. It was a comedy club. I do

(01:40:01):
not know what was going on. All I know is
the next thing I did is grab her finger and
twist it around her back. And because the bartender was
really nice and it made me like what she was
doing was so fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Irritated to me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
And then the next thing I knew, there was a
big circle of people standing way back from me, and
the girl was crying and going why didn't dude do that?
And then I was like, uh, oh, what did I do?
I had no idea what I did. Oh my gosh.
And then my friend like basically had to usher me
out because I was like, wait, what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
But I didn't know that I finger assaulted her.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
You're not getting a drink. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
It gets pretty serious pretty quick, but it sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
It is fun, well, you know what it is, because
you know, sometimes you go out and nothing happened that
would never happen with me. There's always something is going
to go down.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Oh man, all right, last day on the planet. Yeah,
meet me here, great with a bottle of Well, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
Go out, let's look out here, and then we're going
to go somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Okay, Yeah, we'll start here. And oh and you know
Vance is like the funniest.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
Strong that's where he's the greatest. Yeah, and he'd probably
be able to keep me in line.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Yeah, I was Steve. When you're a designated driver. Perfect, No, Stephen,
you're gonna do last day uber, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
And well it'll be a dvance. We'd pick people up. Yeah,
so stay sober. And in meantime, all searching some research
about one of those weird hidden bunkers like that holds
five hundred people. We'll figure out where there is one
that a man's been working on for we'll go since
the eighties and we'll just collect up drugs. We'll get
people who have good drugs, good liquor, good personalities, and

(01:41:45):
we'll all go into a mounth. Lots of dogs. Dogs
would be fun. But then there's cats.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
He can go on like a backpack or something.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Okay, all right, all right, great, that's my happy thought.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
I feel like we just did that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Yeah, I mean I think that's we covered that there's
lots to be stressed about these days, but also don't
forget in your stress.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Then also just start.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Making up a fun plan, okay, to kind of counteract
your stress. It's I think it's a it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Relieves tension, something to look forward to for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Okay, I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Okay, thanks for listening you guys. Welcome to twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Guys, We're so happy to be in this year with you.
We're gonna do it. We're gonna we're gonna make this
gear count. We are uh so, stay sexy and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Don't get murdered by bye Elvis. You want cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Whoa, that was a good one. He's right there, he's
so ready.