113 - Live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City

Karen and Georgia cover killer Ronnie Lee Gardner and the Salt Lake City Library hostage incident.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:34):
What's that's absolute?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Lake said, yes, we've got to choreograph that.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Dan, we got to.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Someday.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hi, best friends, what's there is.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So many opportunities for screaming at these shows.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Shit, it's the best, loving it.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It looks like there's a ghost walking someone to their
seat up there.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Do you guys have ghost stushers here? Because we did
not approve that it was that the undead screaming in
the back.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
What's happening? Oh, huge zombie contingent tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, we love it. They're like, there haven't been zombies
in this theater If it's one in fwive views, that's right,
and pulling out all the hits for the live show
since nineteen ninety. Thanks. I just want to point this
out really quick. I stopped curling my hair right about here,

(01:54):
so I was just like, this sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm bored.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
If you can't see it right, and who fuck it doesn't,
then it's not there.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Just always keep your head real turned, don't let anybody
come up on your hind quarter at all. Just keep
it hey mm hmmm, keep it to the fara faucet area.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, you wanted me to remind you Live corrections corner oh.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
You want to do it right off the top?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh do you fresh? And sure, I guess I do.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Guys, So the episode dropped today, and oh.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thanks, thank you. It happens every Thursday.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's easy.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
You can do it yourself. It's just you just upload
it onto a computer. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
But get yourself with Stephen, that's right, make him do everything. No,
he's not here.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
He's not here. Although, yeah, no, we don't bring him.
But doesn't it look like someone standing under here?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
We brought Stephen's favorite skirt to use as the table.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
He's very shy, so he's bent at the waist under
this table.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Ow ow. We need a moment of silence for the
relationship between Jennifer and Aniston. Jennifer Aniston, and what's his face?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Right, we'll just call him Mat.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
We'll just call him Map from now on.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Mac Matt Mat.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh, justin something, it doesn't matter any matter.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
He looks really good on her arm. I must say
I never bought it. No, Brad destroyed her and everything
after that was it was a look at what I.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Can do good for her? Right?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
But then there's this already already came out today that
they're breaking up and then it's like everyone's rooting for
a rab pit and Jennifer Andison back together. Nobody cares,
nobody is And what if every fucking time you broke
up with someone, everyone's like, remember that guy who cheited
on you ten fucking years ago. Everyone's hoping you, guys,
get back together.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Marry him for the second mistaken time.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know though, how he has ten kids. Everyone wants
you to get back together.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
There being a stepmom to ten is amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Fuck that shit.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Did I ever tell you this story that I know?
That's the secret Burbank story? No, okay, this stays here
in the vault, SLC, SLC. You're in the vault, now,
Can I trust you with a secret. There's it's not
really secret. There's a it's a thrift store on Riverside

(04:44):
in Burbank, and the word on the street is, you know,
it's the American Heart and Lung Association thrift store. All
the old ladies are just fucking smoking butts all day.
But the word on the street is that because it's
the one that's the to the Warner brother studios where
they shot the television show Friends. And when it first

(05:07):
came out that Brad Pitt was cheating on Jennifer Aniston
with Angelina Jolie when they were shooting some wonderful film
in like in Greece or somewhere. It was that Greek one. Yeah,
we know, let's not talk about it. She took all
of his clothes out of his mansion closet and drove
it on down to the American Heart and Lung Association

(05:29):
thrift store and dropped every item of clothing at this
Now it's Brad Pitt's clothes. So they're all eleven thousand
dollars shirts.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
And they smell incredible.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
They smell I alas just bought.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Them to sleigh face down in a pile of No.
I wouldn't thence I wouldn't have done that. They're like,
do you want to smell what luck smells like? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
And so for normally there's a lot of wicker chair
and there's a lot of pictures of the Orient for
sale in this thrift store, and then some paperback books
by James Patterson. God bless a soul. But then for
like I'm sure eight wonderful days, it was just filled

(06:17):
with like highest end clothing.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's all I can guess. That's high end Hugo Boss did,
what's high end men's clothing? Or Michael Coores.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
We'll name everything we've seen in Macy's North from racket.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
That's all I know.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Cole Han slip on shoes.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
What about your outfit? We talk about it Alay shop.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
At vintage stores. Thank you, because I don't know any
names and designers, and now no one can fucking blame
me for wearing cheap shit because it's all it's vintage,
it's old, it's fine, it's right. So this is an
old dress. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
On down the rug, yeah yeah, they love it. Oh
a full square she's doing square footage, loving it.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's you just invented the new runway.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Just a big gorgeous rectangle.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Of rug on a gorgeous rug, oriental rug, oriental rug.
We demand it.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Thank you whoever brought this from home, We really appreciate
you letting your foyer go bear for us this evening
while we enjoy touching it and loving it.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It'll be for sale outside in the lobby after the show.
What are you wearing?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I almost said, what are you doing? What are you
doing over there? Well?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I can't find shirts that fit me. I don't try
to find them. I was going to buy I swear
to got it, like nine o'clock at CVS. I was
going to buy a black shirt that said Burbank.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
On the front of it represent because I'm a joke.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
It'll be fine, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, this is actually our Oh, this is the last
weekend away of this tour.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I just realized that's we're capping it off at SLCO
shows here. Yes, yes, University of Utah.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You guys are the ones this show. We're doing two
shows here because last first show last night, Tomorrow night.
Where are we.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Sometime this week?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's sold out already, So you guys are the ones
who didn't wake up early but I have. And then
email put us on Twitter saying I have another show.
It's held out, angry at us. So that's what we
did for you.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well done. Thank you for advocacy.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
We only listen to anger.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Thank you for using your anger constructively. That's what we mean.
Use it to bring us place. H huh, that's the
way to do it.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. That's right.
This is Karen Calgaraf. This is Georgia Hartstar thank you
lots of screaming time.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
We're the two voices in.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Your head while you drive or work or are supposed
to be doing something else.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's right. I wrote down on this piece of paper
to talk about a smell like a rave, because a
rave rave. Uh oh. The our shampoo and things in
the hotel room smell like me when I would go
to Raves. It's just this, like a victorious secret body sprace.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It smells like grinding teeth.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, what is that tooth powder?

Speaker 4 (09:52):
The powder of my own molars. When you got the
first wave of the smell of Raves, what was your
first emotional reaction to that smell?

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Ew uh huh no?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And then d.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Depend on how do we both know delight perfectly? It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Because my friend Dave Mesmer one time when we were
in uh fake college, uh I dropped out. I met
him at the JC in the drama department. He didn't
claim to be gay yet, but he had the hugest
poster of Madonna on his apartment wall that when I
walked in, I went.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh, no, were you hoping to make out? And then
you're like, ah, shit.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Fuck whatever. But he is my lifelong best friend.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And wait what I thought I thought I was you've
known me two years. I thought I was your lifelong.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
You have actually pulled ahead of most people.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean it's not hard. I really, even fucking Hollywood,
it's like everyone's the worst person.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
There's I mean, I had the choice of her or
her husband, Vince. That was pretty much it in terms
of quality people in Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Should we tell them what the three of us did
for Valentine's Day last Yeah, we had a record on
Valentine's Day and then I was like we were talking
it like two. We're like, let's do it early, and
I'm like, what if Stephen has Valentine's Day plans? And
then it turns out none of us have Valentine's Day plans?

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, this is the best Stephen goes.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
We go, so as we're leaving us like, Vince, we
should have them stay and like eat pizza or whatever,
you know for Valentine's Day. And so he asked you
and you're like, right, yes, fine, And then we asked
Stephen and we're like you gotta pause. I'm like, oh,
do you have a date? And he's like, I have
to work on this podcast report.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
He had to go home and cut out all the
bullshit dumb parts, not fix the date.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, his date was work.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
With us, the two meanest girls in his life.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Immediately we're like, bye, have a good night, go go.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Get out of here.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I gave him some one of those chocolate things that
we love Buck guys.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh yeah, we got some Buck guys.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So he's fine.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He was fine Buck guys from Ohio, right, yeah, yeah,
you guys know all right. So we were just in
Ohio and people gave us repeatedly everywhere we went, humongous
balls of peanut butter covered in chocolate, and it would
be like in a tupperware container or whatever it be,
Like I had my mother make these for you all
night last night.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
We don't question it. We just fucking eat them.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
We just fucking plowed them down.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Should we sit down?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, we might as well.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh look at this, I'm gonna I'm gonna stay over here.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Are you gonna go way over there?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay, look at this teenage I mean, look at this suit.
Little kiss is one of the safest heights you can
sit at at a cocktail table.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I guess I heard that in Utah they don't let
you sit any higher than this after.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
That's right, ta copter midnight.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
You're not allowed to sit.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Over eight inches above the plane of the table. This
is so if you get secretly drunk at your house,
you can.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Just put your head on that table.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
No, go ahead, I'm listening. I'm listening to your story.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm gonna wear this. You should make this into a
beautiful skirt.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
And word, this is actually this might be the solution
in my dress problem.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
I just slip it over my shoes. Yeah, and then
I walk out like it's fucking mum and chance type
of shit.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Here, they gave you this. You can make this into
a tube.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Talk, that's gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
What is this some sort of cloth that they cut
from a drape?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, I know theater terms. I'm of the theater. Oh,
the end of that. Dave's story my second best friend
in the world is we were at a party one
night and we got insanely high, to the point where
we could only sit on the couch. And I was
definitely having a panic attack for sure, but I hadn't
had one before, so I was just like, it's all

(14:14):
ending now. I'm so young, And then I realized I
wasn't dying. It was just that Dave wouldn't stop lip
syncing the d Light album at me from the side.
She's like, E.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Just like sinking people when you're fucking really high.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, so he's just like de pending, just like, please
don't make me.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
That's not even a good Dlight song either.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
No, it's just the first one, and then he continued
to do it for the rest. Oh Jesus Christ. Look,
I'm not here to complain about Dave.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I am. I am.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's what your murder is, Dave.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh, we didn't know. I him real quick.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I took care of Dave for you. Dave Mesmer, everybody.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'm gonna kill him. Uh oh, I feel like we
should think, even though he probably didn't do it, that
this place caught Ted Bundy. So thanks, Utah, Salt Lake City.
Oh thanks guys.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I missed the verb, but I thought it happened in Florida.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
No, he is, well, he got out it. He escaped
from here, right.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Oh, I see when he jumped out of the jail
window and then ran up the hill.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, it's a different time. Hi, he's get from Colorado.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Sorry, Hold on a second, she's still yelling and she's
started by she goes, Hi, I'm Celene back. Oh shit,
you're the documentary filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Get her? Oh sh Hi didn't even.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Oh my god, I thought it was just an audience member.
That's like, you need to know my first and last
name before I tell you.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Ted Bundy Fax. Holy shit, here there's vice.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Get over here. Sun is really tired. He told us
you can't You're coming tomorrow night, and so that's why
we didn't know. How did he know this was a secret.
Oh we talked.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
You immediately started yelling the second you have the chance.
I know the rules.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
But as soon as you said Ted Bundy escape from here,
I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Just say it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
How do we get it wrong?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Just now?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
So Ted escaped twice from Colorado, okay here. The second
time is when he went to ann Arbor and then
went to Florida for his final killings.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Girl, tell everyone what you what you do and what happened.
Just maybe didn't catch up to them her.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
It's so exciting.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Hi, So I'm the director of Theodore, the documentary that's
coming back.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Talked, I slip my ship.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
So all everyone here has like been tweeting at me,
but I didn't want to say that I was coming tonight, so.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
You introduced herself.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yeah, I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Great, Okay, thank you. Bye? Is she leaving? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
You're gonna stay for the show?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Right? Oh suck?

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay, Well, if we have any questions, we'll ask you.
You were like her name is Sudley and like ship
all right, that's the best thing of all time.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I just thought it was like she was basically like
it thought she was at a town hall meeting where
she's like, hello, I'm slain Beck and I'm on the
actor's track. I just want to let you know you're
pretty much wrong about everything all the time. Okay, thanks
for podcasting perfection.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
We missed some shit sometimes.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I mean, could you imagine if people made documentaries where
they were just like and then Ted Bundy ten years
after he actually did the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
They just got everything wrong.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yep, do a follow up documentary.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Okay, here's the stuff we should have looked at a
little closer.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Listen, look, listen, Look, we're not perfectionists.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
It certainly.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I go first, do you yes? Did you go first last? Yes? Yes,
yes I did.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yeah, I went first today we've actually just caught up
with ourselves podcasting wise.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
What today today?

Speaker 3 (18:49):
It's today in this world?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Fuck all right?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Could we have some oxygen rolled down onto the stone
stage so.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
We heard fun people have fainted on this stage.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, my dad is a little warm right now, Actually,
do it go down in the middle of this story.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
What if I have to pee and so I just
pretend to faint so I can go pee and then
come back.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
If you fake a seizure, you can pee during it,
because yeah, that's right, Grandma, Grandma baby, let it all go.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Listen. What if I actually have a seizure now and
everyone thinks I'm faking the fuck? This isn't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Just roll you up in this carpet.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Okay, this is this.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
If anything happened to us, we would just be taken
off the stage and Selene would be right up there.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
In one fucking second, She's like, actually happened to have
a PowerPoint present of all the times they've been wrong.
That's exciting. It is. This is the story of the
murderer Ronnie Lee Gardner. Utah, what a.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Is this guy a real dick?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He's a real dick. Okay, all right, this guy, Ronnie
Lee Gardner. He's born in Salt Lake City, Utah. You've
heard of it on January sixteenth, nineteen sixty one. Great,
there we are.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, he gets offensive about it.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I'm establishing a time and a place. I see. He
is the youngest of seven fucking children. It's not where
you want to be. His father's a heavy drinker, and
when Ronnie's a toddler, he's like, you know what, I'm
going to start over and try this again. And he
leaves to start a new family, which is like, you
gave it a shot and it didn't work, so maybe
you shouldn't keep trying.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, get out of the family business, yes, and go
into like mattresses or something.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's not working for you. He tried seven times. So
soon after that, Ronnie. Okay, Ronnie is an asshole. We
hate him. However, he had really no chance not to
be based on his childhood. I mean, it's bad, Okay,
let's do it. Soon after, little baby Ronnie is found

(21:03):
wandering the streets in a diaper, malnourished. What just fucking
walked away the way you used to do? But it
was funny when you.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Did it, that's right, because I had like pigtails.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
We were in the country and you were like supervised.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
It lightly supervised, right, it was you were in nineteen
seventy something supervised, right, which was meant a truck drove
by every once in a while, which now would be
child neglects, but back then it was how you parent.
Oh wait, so how old was he when this happened?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
He is a toddler?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Okay, yuck.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Child Welfare comes in and has does it failed to care?
Petition takes him into custody, but would later return him
to his mother. And according to him Ronnie, he was
raised by an older sister, and also he was sexually
abused by his siblings. Sometimes you and a sister, Bonnie
would run away and seek refuge. They'd be like this
home life sucks. Let's go somewhere safe, like a hobo camp.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
By the time he's ten years old, Ronnie is addicted
to drugs and he's allowed to have alcohol ten which
like my mom bought music as you might have tried
when I was twelve. And so mom, it's your fault.
All of this is your fault.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
I made myself a wine spritzer when I was I
think I was in seventh grade. Me and my friend
Holly drank our parents' liquor and talked on the phone
one Oh my god, just like, let's just do it.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
You thought you were so sophisticated. I need a drink.
I am the seventh grade.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
The I'm the youngest alcoholic in my school.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Be proud of that. So Ronnie had this still had
a relationship with his father, but it was a really
shitty relationship because his dad didn't think that Ronnie was
his biological kid, so he and he told his son
and all his siblings that all the time, which is
a great way to raise your kid, yeah or not
your kid that he was He so ran and Ronnie

(23:00):
and his brother were arrested for stealing cowboy boots and
taken to juvenile detention, which I think is something you
probably would have done.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
A's one hundred luke cowboy boots.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Technically, I did steal them off of my sister, right,
I've told this story, But my sister on her her
sixth birthday, my aunt Jean gave her a pair of
red cowboy boots, and when she opened the box, I
screamed at the top of my lungs, put them on
and would not take them off, and then I wore
red cowboy boots for like two years straight.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah. Finders keepers, that's right, screamers keepers. So they go
to juvenile detention and his stupid father comes and takes
his brother home, but won't take him home because he's like,
he's not my son, I'm not bailing him out, so
like all right, Yeah, So Ronnie's mom eventually marries another

(23:49):
man and they have nine children.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
In the YO, Catholics, I did it?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Mutah?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Does that happened?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
But Ronnie actually admired his stepfather because he had been
in prison in the past and he used his stepsons
as lookouts while burglarizing home. Good.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yes, you've got to get a whole family like a
thing going what does everybody like?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Do you like to play uno?

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Do you like to burglarize your neighbors? Whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
As a family? Yes? And then booted in detention institutions.
All right. So by his teens early teams, he had
been in all these places locked up. While he's in
the Utah State Industrial School in Ogden, Ronnie.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Is visited pretty good school.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I think it's like a lock up. It's like a
juvenile school. It's juvie. Okay. Ronnie's visited by a man
that his brother is Randy's living with and he's like, hey,
this guy, this older dude is great. His name's Jack
Statt Let's I'm living with him. You should live with
him too.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Jack Stack Stat like stat immediately immediately, I just say
the word, you know, like the same word I just said, yeah,
Stata's stat like quickly.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
In nineteen seventy five, So Ronnie moves in with Stat
and Dandy and become and this guy becomes an official
foster parent to the boys. And so Ronnie at the
time is saying that of his foster care, it's the
most stable period of his life, saying Jack was a
good man and he tried to help us out. Now
again in this going the same way with the hobo camp,

(25:37):
Jack was also molesting them, and that was still the
best home life he's experienced. So it's just fucking sad.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
He said, I thought life was normal. Normal. I thought
that was normal. And he said he also worked as
a He worked as a sex worker while living with
Stat as well.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
And he's in his teens.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
So then he meets I don't know what year exactly,
but he meets a woman named Deborah Bischoff or a teen.
I don't know how she was either, I did my homework.
They meet it in Salt Lake City apartment complex, where
his mom lives, and they fall in love. Deborah describes
Ronnie as very caring. He never put me through He
never put me in the rough situations he was in

(26:19):
throughout his life. He sheltered me from that stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I feel like we gotta get our standards a little higher.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
He doesn't punch me in the face.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
He doesn't take me along with burglarizing. He keeps me
out of that.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
He's never made me sleep in a hobo camp. And
because of that, I love him so yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
In nineteen seventy seven, they have a daughter together, and
in nineteen eighty they have a son. But a month
after his son is born, Ronnie's convicted of robbery and
sent to the Utah State Prison. Was he a picture
of him? Yes? Good? Oh, I mean hold on, I
just could not put this photo up. He looks like

(27:00):
Steven there. Oh yeah, knowledge you expected, right, necktats and.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Shit that's in court.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So he's like dressed up.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
There but also leaning on your hand, leaning on your
fist with your chin like that is Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh my god, it is.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
It's like how he podcast records.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
And then he and then he puts he reaches his
fingers out and then strokes his mustache like I'm not
fucking even making this up. I'm not even making fun
of it. I mean, i am, but I'm but he
really does it.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
And then we look over at him and we go
to say one thing to him, and he goes, Steven, Stephen,
we really like you.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You do happy Valentine's, Happy Valentine's Day, editing our terrible
voices that you're so sick of, so sick of. He
missed some pizza and these cheese mozzarella sticks. Yes they're
so bad. They came with ketchup, but.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
The sticks themselves were perfect cylinders of mozzarella cheese that
was fried, frozen.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Like they came out of a box. Look, I mean,
I'm not judging.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
What do you want fucking fresh mozzarella sticks? No fucking way,
frozen old from somewhere else, ketchup, hard to eat, That's
what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I ate all of that.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
You're like, do you remember me? I was eating them alongside?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Do you judging these things? We got a salad and
then I ate it with my hands. Why did I
do that?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
It's kind of how you wrapped up the meal. It's
like how you let everyone know we're done doing this.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's like I have to eat my quota of lettuce.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Oh, seven handfuls of lettuce and we're done with dinner.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, um. So that's Ronnie. In August of nineteen eighty four,
while in prison, Ronnie fakes an illness by vomiting. He
didn't have a fake seizure.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
There's so many ways.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I mean, he fakes an illness and he's transported the
University of Utah Hospital. Is that next door? Uh?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
He gets in the basement.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
He attacks the transportation officer at that moment and is like,
fuck this, I'm out of here. He forces the officer
to unlock his shackles by telling him I guess you
know that. I guess you know if that doctor comes back,
I'll have to kill you both. So he makes him
take off his shackles at gunpoint, and then in the
course of his escape, he hits the officer so hard

(29:31):
that he needed wires to reconstruct his face. Fuck yeah,
So like, we're not on his side anymore.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Okay, all empathy has died.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, we had him. Cowboy Boots is a forgivable thing. Man.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
I was relating to him in a very serious way
right up until you said the word wire.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I know, reconstruct, that's not come on, that never goes well.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Just escape, yeah, just fucking escape and let people have
their face.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Then so he's like, Okay, he got out of the hospital,
but he's like, how do I get the fuck out
of here? He finds a dude, a medical student, who's like, hey,
I'm a medical student and I ride a motorcycle and
he gets on the back of the motorcycle with the
guy holds the gun to his back and is like,
get me the fuck out of here, as if it's
like fucking James Bond or something.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yes, I have to say I kind of like that,
because you know that medical student.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Was a cocky motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
So it's just like, yeah, how about if we hold
the gun to you every once in a while, your
son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And if nothing else, he had the coolest story to
tell on Monday, exactly you know what I mean. Likely
he's Hey, he's the cool doctor who fucking rides the motorcycle,
which is like, if you're a doctor and you're doing that,
you don't care about yourself.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
That's right, You're you're taking your own pills for sure,
because you see what happens to people who ride motorcycles
and fix them and their places need reconstruction. It's a
serious situation. And you're like, I'm gonna get one too, though.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Okay, So well we've ripped doctors a new one and.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Everyone who came here on a motorcycle. Ye, it's half
the crowd as doctor's. The other half is from a
motorcycle club.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
They're like, oh, you didn't know this university was a
teaching hospital. Almost everyone here is in medicine in some way.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Well, when I faint, nobody comes save me. I'm faking it.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Papa Wheeling get just like Blazon out of the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Later days, ye may okay boop boop letter okay ba
ba okay. On August eleventh, So he gets out of there,
and then after he escapes, he puts the firearm arm gun,
that's copy of the past, the gun in and a

(32:00):
note into a mailbox, and in it he writes, here's
the gun and the wallet taken from the guard. So
he gives the wallet back. He's like, sorry about the face.
He didn't apologize for that, Oh, taken from the guard.
I don't want to hurt no one else. I just
want to be free. So he returns and he's like,
just not coming back.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Well, that's kind of nice, right, but then.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Please please hold yes, okay, all.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right, So he gets he's on October ninth, nineteen eighty four.
He's fucked up on cocaine, and he goes to a
place called Cheers Tavern. Totally forgot to see if it
was still there.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I like the TV shove it. Do you have a
Cheers remake here?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
This is a fucking clip or Norman Cliff like sitting
at the end of the bar, animatronic Norman Cliff.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Oh why hasn't that happened? Yeah? Fuck after a party
at Cheers Umm, Cheers Tavern.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Oh my god. Okay, Sam Malone's in the balcony and
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
And that his mustache.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
So they got he got up there to rob the place, right,
what Sam alone?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
He had a mustache?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Are you thinking of the here's thing you have clip
clave and the mailman?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah he had one too, girl, don't do this. Okay,
where were we?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
All?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Right? Well here, let's stop laughing because he's fucked up
on coke. He goes to rob Cheers tavern and he
ends up shooting the bartender at Melvin John Otterstrom in
the face, killing him, and Ronnie makes up with less
than one hundred fucking dollars two. Then Ronnie goes to
fucking Melvin John Otterstrom's funeral and pretends to be a

(33:43):
childhood friend. What what a dick?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Like? That?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
To me is like crosses the line between like you
were fucked up and shot someone and you suck, but
like it's just so creepy.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
It's no, that's super creepy. Sozopath. Also, how is that
the same guy that puts the wallet back in the
fucking mailbox and is like sorry for your trouble.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
No, it's I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
That's wow.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Here's a photo of of where did it go? Oh
that's not the right page.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
So like, basically he went to this guy's funeral and
like mingled enough so that he was telling people who
he was.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I guess, yeah, this is Melvin John Otterstrom. Uh boop,
like how Gene is and then okay, so uh okay.
Three weeks later, Ronnie gets captured at the home of
his cousin, and once he's captured, Ronnie says that the

(34:41):
shooting occurred because Ottershrimp put up a fight, but investigators
didn't find any evidence to support that, which I'm like,
it's still your fucking fault, dude, Like you're gonna be
put up a fight for his fucking life.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
So you were on coke. You don't know what's fucking
going on, Like every you're no.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Ronnie's held and city his getaway driver testifies against him.
So during the trial for this murder on April second,
nineteen eighty five, at the Metropolitan Metropolitan Metropolitan.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
That's right, fuck you got it though, Third charm Third
tries a charm.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Wow because it looks like Metropolis and then it changed,
you know what I mean, like it could go their
way at the beginning, but it's not. It's metropolitan.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
You know the metropolitan.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You know that word. I've known for fucking the thirty
seven years I've been on this planet that I just
didn't see Metropolitan Hall of Justice in Salt Lake City.
So Ronnie gets a smug someone smuggles him a fucking revolver. Revolver, yes,
Revolver at his trial and Ronnie attempts to escape. He

(35:56):
fucking has his gun. Who did it? Well, we'll get there, okay, Okay,
he he's he has his gun. He's immediately shot in
the chest by the guard Luther Hensley. But he continues
on his fucking escape with a fucking gunshot wounded the chest.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Was he still on coke?

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
He wounds an unarmed bailiff named George nick Kirk by
shooting him in the abdomen, and then ran into the
courtroom archives where attorneys Rob Macrie and Michael Burdell are.
So they're just like in the fucking archives being like
boo boop.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Who's going like, let's look at some old ones.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Let's see what we can find about this.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
This these stories are incredible. Yeah, let's memorize every fucking word.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, Like we don't even we're not even on trial today.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, we're just loving law.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah. So Garner Ronnie comes in, points the gun, at them,
and then he aims at Burdell, who'd been he was
there looking up ship for his pro bono work for
his church, so like you couldn't be there for like
a more honest reason, yeh. And Ronnie shoots him in
the eye and then runs outside of the building, where

(37:09):
he's surrounded by dozens of police softeners.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Officers, police softeners.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Sorry, but that's a good one, police softeners.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's like it's like wool but for cops.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
He drops the gun and yells, don't shoot. I don't
have a gun. But I'm like, me, know of the
fucking people you just shot? Yeah, that's right, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Sorry, this might be a dumb question. The guy that
he shot in the eye. You just keep it jumping ahead, Okay,
you know, no more, no more from me.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Uh he dies, Oh I know. Sorry, but the bailiff's
Nick Kirk survives. Okay. However, uh he dies eleven years later,
and it stantly says it's from complications from the shot
gunshot went, which I'm like, yeah, you get shot in
the gut, your rest your fucking life. So I think

(38:04):
fuck him, not fuck Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
During a search of the courthouse. Then they find a
bag of men's clothing in the basement under a woman's
restroom sink, so someone had come in stashed some clothing
for his getaway, a woman woman. And then it's believed
that the gun had been taped to a water fountain
on the first floor and then passed to Ronnie as
he was escorted into the courthouse in the underground parking garage.

(38:32):
So they find they find, they find his girlfriend Darcy,
unarmed and arrested about a mile away, and her sister Karma.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Karma, that's what it says.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
She's sentenced to eight years in prison for delivering the
clothes and message in preparation for the escape attempt, but
they don't know who actually gave him the gun. Oh,
she's like, gets prison. Okay, Karma, she gets this. This
girlfriend's sister goes to prison. Yeah, wow, Yeah, that's bullshit, right.

(39:13):
So uh let's see here. I think I have a
photo of that's him with a beard.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Oh, my dad, Martie, it looks like our therapist a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh my god, Red, he totally looks like our therapist.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
It's intention versus I hear him.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Saying what I'm hearing your experiences.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Can you turn to Karen and say that.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, it's awkward.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
That's the best worst part of our therapy sessions if
we're like saying something meaningful and then he'll be like,
will you turn to Georgia and say that? And I'm like,
looking at her is the most repulsive thing in that
IM just like no, no, I mean like, well, for myself.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Will told me to talk about next. For sure.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
I should have said vulnerable, upset, but you didn't. Oh no,
strike nineteen.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Well thent's write that down, Stephen, Stephen, make that mark
that moment. That's going to be a miniesot OF's just
you saying that.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
God, that was the.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Worst word I could have used.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I mean, I look pretty fucking ugly when I crawl.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Internal feelings impact, got it?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Intent? Let's take one more look at it? Oh yeah,
here we go, calm down a little help us the
grain of the temples. Well, the thing is I said
this thing. What did you hear of Georgia when you
heard that? And then I'm like, well, I felt like
I was about to faint because it's I have no

(40:56):
air feel how I am right now? Are you?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Oh? Are you about to do this thing.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Oo sweaty Okay boop.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
This is a viral moment waiting to happen.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Maybe I'm just embarrassed because of the word uh metro.
Uh what did I call it? Metropolitan? I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I don't either, No one else does either.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
No, thanks, I'm glad they didn't happen. Okay boo. And
then okay, so when that okay, so Outstrom was the
guy in the bar was a mountain climber and a
veteran of this nineteen special Forces group of the Utah
National Guard, and so is.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
She thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
And the other guy for our therapist for dal was
a Vietnam veteran, a former engineer and a member of
this sm church. I don't know what that is. And
so then okay, so they catch him back to he
even though he had a fucking shot his chest right
June nineteen eighty five, he pleads guilty to the murder

(42:04):
of Ostrom. The jurors deliberate less than three hours and
find him guilty of capital murder and life without parole
isn't possible back then. They didn't come around until nineteen
ninety two in Utah. Oh so they he's sentenced to death, uh,
making him then Utah's youngest inmate on death row, and
later the jurors say that if they had known about

(42:27):
his troubled past in his childhood, they maybe just if
they could have given him life sentence, they would have,
but you know they couldn't. As I just said, okay,
when this peg attention, stop making me repeat myself article. Okay,
here's here's an insane thing, and this is this is
fucked up. He's given the choice how he wants to
be executed. Oh you know, it's like, what why do

(42:49):
we get that choice?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
You guys that just pick your dinner and be quiet?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, you got to choose your dinner. But nope, he
picks his. So he says, quote, I'd prefer to die
of old age or honor, but if that ain't possible,
I'll take the firing squad.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Holy fuck.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
He is not fucking around. Fuck yeah. And he's been
shot once already, so he fucking knows what it feels like, right, Like,
that's the craziest part that doesn't feel good. Probably no,
I've never.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
He wouldn't want to go back to that. And yet
and yet he was just like wow, that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
So since nineteen seventy six, only two other people have
been executed by firing squad in the United States, both
in Utah. But I wouldn't share for the I'm kidding,
I would uh Gary Gilmore and John Albert Taylor. So
but this guy Taylor chose the firing squad to embarrass

(43:45):
the state. But Ronnie said that he just didn't want
to attract attention. He just want he just preferred that
way to die. Wow, So he gotten a lot of
trouble in prison on October. On October twenty, nineteen eighty seven, Okay,
he's in the prison of visiting area. There's a glass
partition between him and the woman he's talking to. He

(44:06):
fucking breaks the glass partition. What then they somehow gets
over the partition, I hope, and he and the woman
have sex like through the broken partition while the fucking
other inmates cheered and barricaded the doors and hold on.

(44:29):
The fucking woman is his half brother's wife. Why what
the thought?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Shit you tall?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
What is Christmas like? What is the Thanksgiving conversation that year?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
My first question is, let's talk about that glass.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yes, I hope that's what I'm saying I hope they
jumped over it somehow and didn't have sex on it.
That's at least the worries.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
It used to be just a very thin pane of
tiffany stained glass between the prisoners and their guests.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
That's sanity back in the glass. Starts boning his fucking
sister in law, and the rest of the prisoner's like
hell yeah and fucking crazy right.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
We're like that must have been like the hottest like
prisoner phone call through that glass. Yeah, And they're like,
how is Thanksgiving? That was your fucking Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Just the question I want to ask.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
You, Jam's were they am?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yams?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I mean? Fuck right? Literally? Then on September oh yeah,
Then on September twenty fifth, nineteen ninety four, so he's
still alive. He gets drunk from alcohol that he had
made in his prison toilet. No, thank god, damn it sink,
which is like, yeah, right, that's what you told people, uh,

(45:48):
And he stabs another inmate, Richard Fatz Thomas, with a
ship that he had made from a pair of sunglasses. Also,
prisoners have sunglasses.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
You still gotta be cool.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I guess you got to protect those papers, that's right.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
The UV rays up here are insane.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Meet you, Ayrton. This dude suffers nine puncture wounds to
the face, mouth, arm, and chests that are life threatening,
but he makes a full recovery, so he's having a
good time in prison.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
It seems like he's he's really criminaling it up.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, okay, cut to June eighteenth, twenty ten, twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
That you that that murder happened that fucking year.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
It's your favorite year for murder, so sneaky. Oh, here's him, like, oh,
that's the okay, well, Stephen put these in the wrong
sting order, Stephen. Oh now, I'm scared.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
It's Stephen's falt. You were pronounced metropolitan that way.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Metropolitan? What did I say? I don't remember, well, Metropolin.
Thank you for it's so good. I don't want to
I have a picture of him like back in twenty ten,
but I'm scared that Stephen left one of those photos
out and I don't want to go to your picture.
Everyone closed your eyes real quick. I think you just

(47:09):
put it in the wrong order. Should I do it?
Who cares? I don't want to out here? Okay, which port?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I don't even know what mine are? Just go ahead.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Okay, there he is.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Oh no, you've ruined my thing.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
No, no, that's that's Ronnie.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Bring Ren back up. I have some complaints.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Is his name Wren? You guys? Okay, so boop, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Can you go back really quick? Yeah, he looks like
he looks like Matt Walsh, the guy on veep.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Oh he does look like that. Look at him.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Think about it.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Get hbo if you have to. Oh god, yeah, it's
Matt Walsh.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Weep. All right. So, finally, in twenty ten, Ronnie is
now forty nine years old. It's been a quarter of
a century that he's been on death row, which is
a lot long fucking time.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Well it's twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Finally, but he I'm gonna ignore that.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Non Wren, I'm gonna ignore you.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Finally he's fucking on June eighteen, twenty ten, he's eliminated. Okay, wait,
let me tell you something. No no, no, no, no, no no,
I read that. Bye. By two thousand and four, Utah
had eliminated the firing squad. Is there it is.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
There is someone in this audience who is not a
fan of the show. Oh my god, doesn't know what's happening.
And it's like, this is fucking wrong. Yeah, what's happening
is wrong.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I am dizzy right now. So I'm gonna blame everything
on that. This podcast great. They so Utah was like,
maybe we shouldn't. Let's eliminate the firing squad by two
thousand and four as a method of execution, but convicts
who were sentenced before that date are.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Still to have that option if they want to pick it.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah. So they're like, you can, like, it doesn't it
doesn't retroactively. They're not like.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Their grandfathered into being shot. Yes, yeah, I get.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
It exactly what you know, you're in charge and you
can change that, right.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
No, this isn't some weird movie where you have to
get shot this way.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah. So, just after midnight, five anonymous executioners. They're behind
a curtain and a ported brick wall. Don't know what
that is ported ported ported One rifle had a blank round,
so no one would be like it was me, you
know what I mean? They didn't know. He is pronounced
dead at twelve seventeen am, and after he was executed,

(49:44):
the daughter of one of the victims said, I hope
my sister who just passed away and my father and
all of the other victims are waiting for his Sorry ass.
I hope they get to go down after him. Whoa
you like to do that? Can you go back and forth?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I feel like we're I feel like we're about to
write the new Marvel movie.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Oh yeah, I'll pull you out of hell.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
We're gonna go down after him.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
We're gonna be and they're gonna beat him up in hell.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, they're like, we're hanging out and having it's great
up here. Let's do a fucking quick.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Tourist is my laminatee?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I get to go back up He's gonna fucking ask
You're just gonna kick some.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Assholes ass really quick.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Yeah, And then we get no, no, I don't stay
I'm not staying here. I was good.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I hope they get to go down after him. Fuck yeah.
And that's the story of fucking Ronnie Lee Gardner.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Thanks, I told you he was a dick.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
So's It was a real like roller coaster though.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
With that guy was I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
You were here, you were there, you were here, then
you were back there.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
It's always very complex these with these stories.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
You know, there's it's a rollercoaster. It really is metropolitan size.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
This is almost the size of a metropol.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I just start using that word incorrectly because I just
want to prove that I know how to say it.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
You're like looking at a charcuterie board and you're like,
is this metropolitan?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Cheez?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Pull it out anywhere.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
My story tonight is one of my classic It was
an episode If I Survived, As most of us do,
I have all of mine on my DVR, and I
was laying on my couch for nineteen hours the other
day and.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Not taking care of things, and.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
This episode rolled up and they were like Salt.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Lake City, Utah.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
And then I was just like my homework.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, You're like, oh, I have to sit here.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, this is working. This just turned into borderline clinical depression.
Now I'm at work. That's how easy it is in
the podcast world.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
When there's a podcast about the murder you're gonna do
that week, and you're like, I got to clean my bathroom.
So I'm just sitting in front of my computer. Yes,
I have a weird way of enjoying myself. I mean
cleaning my toilet Okay, so.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
It is satisfying.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Though, do you ever use one of those bleached like
things you stick in the back of the toilet and
then the water is just beachy all the time.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
No, get into it.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
They're the best. You know. Everyone in a while you
just have like a ring of mold. We were like,
what's coming out of me? I'm disgusting. No, well, I
mean not like a not crazy you see it for
me where you're like something off, something's going on, something's happening.
Just get one of those fuchlorox bleach pills or whatever

(52:53):
they're called.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Do you take? You swallow it? Yeah, and then you're like,
got it, Okay, I'll do it. I told me to
take a bleach pill and then I would not mold
coming out of you anywhere.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
It looks kind of like a big sweet tart.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
If you put it on an avocado toast, it's really
delicious with a fried egg on top.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Just get some like maybe a coconut oil on top,
so it just absorbs the intense chemicals.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Where were we, no idea we are in the metropolis.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Definitely hallucinating at this point.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Huh okay, So.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
But then so I watch it. It's great.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Then good old Steve Ray Morris sends me a twenty
twenty episode about the same story, which of course is
more in depth and actually has re enactors, which is
the greatest. And so now I'm going to retell you
a twenty twenty episode like I used to retell you
I Survived episodes.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
This is like a lantism. It's like a mashup.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. It's like it's like a
layer cake where my knowledge began on an episode of
I Survived folded in the twenty twenty and now this
is just like we're all at the campfire together and
I'm like, remember TV, okay, listen to this.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Is the cake at the campfire.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yep, okay, good, Yeah, we get to have cake and
bleach pills. It's going to be the best campout ever.
It is the Salt Lake City Library hostage crisis.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Do you remember you guys.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Had a library hostage crisis Dune? Did they?

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Fucking Ever? First of all, let's just take a look
at the Salt Lake City Public Library circa whenever Stephen
found this picture. Let's see, this is the old branch
I believe, is that correct?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
It's the old branch.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It looks old. That's just the colors that's so seventies.
Look at that poor building on stilts, no buildings, Like,
what don't you expect from me? Yeah, you couldn't just
put me on the ground.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
The architects like, we're pitting all of our hopes on you.
Oh man, this says future learning. The Salt Lake City
Public Library is a five story building. So on Saturday,
March fifth, nineteen ninety four, it wasn't black and white.
It was the early nineties.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
So it's like a it was like.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
A Sepia tone, yeah, kind of with the with like
neon spray paint, fake graffiti on the bottom and tilted
to the side.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yep, very beach house.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
So there's hundreds of people at the library on Saturday,
and people there for obviously all different kind of reasons.
What well, you know, reading, being quiet, sleeping.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Free, coffee free? Do they serve coffee? Some of them do?
I don't know. I bet they don't do that really
not here pros spilled coffee, Oh sure, free water, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh and they're not allowed to have water.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
No, we're teasing you.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
St Lake City's like, that's not us, man, that's not us.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
So there's a couple there Michael and Judith Greer, and
they came down to the library because there was a
Tibetan mendala ceremony being done that day, and that's you know.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
That's your favorite.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, it's my favorite kind of ceremony.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Right of all library ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You guys need to try one one day. Top three,
Top three.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
So it's the Tibetan monks who are putting colored sand blowing.
They're like scraping and blowing colored sand into this almost
as beautiful as this rug design the library. How fucking
badass is that? Like those are the kind of events
that they have, but.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
It's culturally open.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Yeah, everyone, they're like, check out what happens?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Check is that the top? Check out what happened? Oh
my god, who's a librarian here? Use that timeline? Take this?
Take it to your meeting on Monday. You have a
meeting on Monday.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Take it it's yours to the librarians union meeting.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Take that down there.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
You're gonna get a raise.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I bet they've never used the pun check it out
at the library before.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I bet it's never happened with a big check mark.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
So the Greers are there watching this beautiful sand ceremony.
And also there's of course Gwen Paige, who's been a
librarian is Gwen, Gwen? Are you here?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Gwen?

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Gwen was in the I Survived and in the twenty twenties,
so you know, she is a key fucking player in
this story.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
She is just bouncing around.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
She is a lifelong, dedicated librarian in the most hush
toned way you can be. You can fucking see her
readers on a chain. She's like, I'll tell you where
the book is this time, but you have to find
it for yourself the next time, you know, Gwen. Yeah, okay,

(58:11):
So she's, you know, reforming the Dewey decimal system.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Librarians like to get up to. Uh huh uh.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
And one of her coworkers says, you gotta go see
the fucking Mendela ceremony before it ends.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
She's like, you're so right, So she hauls an ass
on up.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
I don't know what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You are you?

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Word for word?

Speaker 4 (58:36):
This This is how they say it on the twenty twenty.
Oh shit, look at this.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
There she is when Gwen, that's when and nice moves
a nice mom.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
She's doing jewel tones because she knows that that can
act like makeup sometimes for you.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
That does.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
A maroon jacket does the work for you.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
But you gotta have a popup color. But you've got to.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Get a good, some nice hot blue electric blue in there.
You still love to live. Librarian to the hilt, Librarian
you Stephen paused it right when she was going sh
She does that throughout the interview, just shushing cameramen, shushing interviewers.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I'd fucking love that so much.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
The sound guy's like, I can't, I can't with this librarian.
We're getting a lot of shushing. Okay, So as Gwen
heads up to watch this amazing cool thing that I
would love to see in real life and made me
cry when I saw it in the thing, she notices,
of course, because observe and report librarian style. She notices

(59:59):
they're it's this scraggly guy standing by the reference desk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
He's wearing a backpack.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
He looks real like edgy, and she she clocks it.
But then she's like, I gotta go see him adella ceremony.
So she just shushed him really hard and kept on moving.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Okay, she put her shush scent on him. To like
mark him for later.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yes, it was just a little yellow chalk on his
pant leg to come back and shush him later about
half an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
We're gonna reveal all the library secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
They're so mad, so many.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
S so So she passes this way. This is the
way they set it up on twenty twenty. I bet
you they didn't all pass like. It was a very
well choreographed play. But but she passes him. And then
the scraggly guy turns to the man standing next to

(01:00:57):
him and pushes a Manila envelope like onto his chest
and goes, I need you to mail this. H mail
this for me. Uh, give this to the papers. Have
a nice life. Mine's gonna be short. And then he
turns around and pulls out a gun. And then he
pulls out a curling iron. What And then he jumps

(01:01:20):
on a table and he yells, uh, everybody listen up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
This is a bomb. He holds the curling iron up.
This is a bomb. Hmm, nobody move.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
If I let go of this switch, this whole place
blows up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
So it was what they call a dead man switch.
He's literally holding open a curling iron.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
So if he lets it go.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
That's when the bomb goes off, so that if anything
happens to him, everybody dies. That's like his insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Do you think everyone like laughed at first, because they're like, look,
he's he's joke. That guy's joking.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I can see the cord of that curling iron, sir,
that's curling irons aren't bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Okay, I would don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Fuck yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
So and then he's and he's kind of like, obviously
people you know the guns like this, the currently irons
up like this. Everybody probably ten feet and back, are
just like goodbye, and they peace out of there as
quickly and and as organized fashion as possible. Down four escalators.

(01:02:26):
Oh man, five story library.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
That's the worst escape roo an escalator, Yeah, because it's
just so slow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
You have to stand there escaping, escaping, escaping almost there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Oh we have almost escaped.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Music, really nice music playing behind you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Watch your shoelace and then someone's like, my shoelace that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
That's the only way anybody gets caught is if their
shoelace gets stuck in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Oh, I just do want to say that. So the
bad guy, this is the reenactor that from twenty twenty.
There is Stephen could find no pictures of the actual
bomber Clifford Draper. But this guy, this reenactor, actually does
a very good job. He has very large eyes, so

(01:03:13):
he's scary. They have a lot of like brown eyeliner
around his eyes, and he's doing a very realistic crazy person.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Who's who?

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Who? You know, somebody that's like on the edge, that's
in public, but like people aren't noticing him, but you're like,
but there is something up with that guy. And then boom,
he's up on the table okay, and you know they
then there has to be like whispering to yourself and
all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be cheesy
as fuck. Well it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
This guy did a fucking great job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
His name, did you IMDb? Yes? I did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
His name is Michael B.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Woods.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
And you've seen him, yes, ow my teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
He's cute.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Seen him on a Empire, You've seen he's had a
two episode character arc on Chicago p He's one of
your favorite actors. He's not just a crazy guy in
the library reference desk with a curling iron, and he
really fucking held this twenty twenty together. It was as

(01:04:14):
emmy so much pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Can they do an emmy from before? What do they
call it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
When they're like a retroactive ass metro pocketic metroactive run emmy,
a metro practice a metro. Yeah, they do those cool,
especially for reenactors. Okay, So anyway, keep your apeal from
Michael B. Woods in the future. I'm just saying I'm
calling it now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
He's just got range. People range or an eyeliner looks
great on him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
I like when you can do the whole eye, you
can surround the whole line. It still doesn't look small. Oh,
I mean that means you have great big eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Asset. I keep hitting my face with the her phone
here rug.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
Okay, so uh uh I told you about the dead
man switch, and I'm not gonna say it again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Meanwhile, uh over in.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
The Sheriff's Administration Building was Sheriff's Office Administration building which
was nearby. There is a man named Lieutenant Lloyd Prescott
who's gone in in the twenty twenty. He goes, I
went in to use the computer on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Ah, to use the computer.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Look, it was just like a ton of solitaire. So
he's in using the computer in basically kind of an
empty building, and this guy runs in from the library
and he's just like anybody, can somebody help me? And
so Lloyd Prescott gets up and is like, did you

(01:05:56):
guys call the cops And they're like yes, but there's
a guy with a live bomb in the library.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
He's taking hostages.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
And so Lloyd Prescott grabs his gun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
He's wearing it on the seat next to him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Well, he's in a car inside the office. Let me
just grab this. We're like at the computer next to him.
He'd like rested it. Yeah, he just had it right
against the mouse. He grabs his gun. In the twenty twenty,
he knocks his coffee cup over onto his badge. That
didn't fucking happen. They're just trying to show you he's

(01:06:32):
a sheriff. And he runs into the library where hundreds
of people are running out. Lloyd Prescott runs in. That's how, Yeah,
he's a cop. That's right, that's how you know he's
a cop. They run at the danger and they have guns.
So as he's running in and I also this seems

(01:06:56):
a bit fateful, and so it could have been for
the show. But he runs into the guy that Clifford
Draper had given that Manila envelope to you to say,
go mail this for me, and the guy stops him
and says, don't go in there. There's a guy with
a bomb and a gun. And he says, I know,
I'm a police officer. Is anybody hurt? And the guy says,

(01:07:18):
I don't know, but he did give me this envelope
to mail, and so Lloyd goes, I will take this
from you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
You might want to go ahead and use the elevator,
I mean escalator real quick and get out of here. Damn,
that could have been so funny. And he so, meanwhile,
back upstairs, they're having this conversation and the bomber is
telling people that he wants all the people who have

(01:07:48):
basically been frozen in this area in front of him.
He starts looking at people and going go into that
conference room and picking people out specifically. So Michael Greer,
the guy that's from the very beginning, who's it was
his idea first to go watch the Mendala ceremony with
his wife Judith. He looks at Michael Gern says you
go in, but not Judiths. So he has to go

(01:08:08):
into this conference room and leave.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
His wife behind.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Yes, no, yes, and uh so he goes in and
of several other people, obviously, and then he tells Gwen,
go get me sixteen people. I want sixteen people in
that conference room. Yes, and Green's like, sounds great, but
in her mind, you know, the wheels are turning. So

(01:08:33):
she goes into this conference room and she's like, and
it's the there's a meeting of the toast masters in
the conference room, the people who they do speeches and
they practice speech.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Yeah, it's a real thing. Oh, it's like a club
you can join.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
And like a toast yep, a toastmaster.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Did you think bread toast?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
We've been talking about Amicando toast ten minutes ago. I
thought you were going. I thought that that's what we want.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Toast Masters were so fucking good at making toast.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
That's our new Food Network show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Yes, just tons of toast toasts, evenly colored, perfectly buttered,
crust or.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Crust jam or fucking almond butter.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
You don't know, and it's not up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
It's none of your business.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
We're the toast masters, motherfuckers. So there's a room filled
with toast and Gwen goes in bold as brass and
Gwen's like, you, guys, let me quickly interrupt your dumb
fucking meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
There's a guy with a.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Bomb out there, and that's not a word for word.
And in this room, luckily, there was a there was
a different door than the than the entrance door.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
There was like a weird back door.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
So of course they're like, let's toast master the fuck
out of here, and they open that door. People start
going out out to all these people are escaping and
then Clifford Draper, the bomber, runs and he's like, stop,
shut that door, mat, so they he shuts the door.
They end up a total of I believe nine ten

(01:10:12):
people all together, so end up in the room. He
doesn't get his sixteen, which I do agree is a
better number, but it's it's just how it worked out, so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Page eleven. Uh okay, so uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
He makes them all sit at the conference room table,
but he makes them turn their chairs out so that
they can't look at each other, and he keeps screaming
don't look at me, over and over, so every you know,
and he and he's just doing this with a gun
being tired, just constantly bomb gun. So everyone is just
obviously insanely freaked out. Uh So, our guy, Lloyd Prescott

(01:11:03):
walks into the conference room. So there he had called
I think he had called like two other women in
like get in here, you have to get in here
right now. And Lloyd Prescott cuts them off, walks into
the room and holding up the Manilamgope's envelope and goes,
what am I supposed to do with this? And then
he turned and then he shuts the door behind him

(01:11:24):
so that the people who were supposed to go into
the room don't go in. He cuts them off, and
then of course the bomber's just like what who are you?
And it freaking out or whatever. He's like, I said
I that was supposed to be mailed, and he was like,
could you stop pointing that gun at me?

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
I just I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
And he's just playing it real low key, so he's
not coming in in any way cop style. He's like,
someone just handed me this envelope? What am I supposed
to do? He pretended like, well, he didn't know why
he was in there, yes, insane So uh So, then
the bomber tells Gwen the librarian to go get him
a phone, and if she's not back in fifteen seconds,

(01:12:00):
he'll kill somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Fifteen seconds for a phone in nineteen ninety four, yes, yeah,
not enough time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
That's very high stress.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, because there's no cell phones kids.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
No, you're gonna need a phone. She's Gwen immediately had
to think of where's the one phone that has.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
The longest silver cord?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Yeah, that I can just run across this fucking library
with exactly she does it, of course, it's it's when
she nails it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
You're right, I don't know why I doubted her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Shit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Do we need to look at her again? No?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
No, why would you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Oh you want to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
So relaxing? Okay, goodbye? Oops.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Uh oh it's there forever now. Okay, this is how
stressful it is. Okay, all right, okay, uh uh uh okay,
end of that page. The pacing of this is amazing.

(01:13:07):
So oh he tells uh Lloyd tells the bomber he's
an accountant, and he's just kind of like playing it small.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
He's like, I spilled coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Yeah, I'm just I'm a numbers guy. Anyway, I don't
know how to mail things. Meanwhile, of course he's wearing
it like a jacket, like a windbreaker, and he's got
his gun hidden underneath it. So then uh, Draper tells
everybody that he's going to barricade the room. He has
a lady shut the curtains. He does this weird thing.

(01:13:36):
He keeps having people do things for him. He's not
doing it, probably because he's holding off fucking curling iron.
But so he asks one what time they entered the room.
Immediately one's like ten to ten, and then he sets
a timer for seventy two hours, so he has like
this amount of time that he that they're going to
do this, which is a long fucking time. And in

(01:14:01):
the reenactment that's when he says, my name's Clifford Draper.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Let's get some attention.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
I doubt that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
In reality.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Clifford Draper was a veteran and he was a paranoid
schizophrenic who had gone off his meds long ago. He
was originally from Arkansas, but now he lived in a
boarding house that was like down the street from this library.
So he gets Gwen to call the police and explain
to the police what's going on. So she says, I'm

(01:14:32):
being held hostage in the Salt Lake City Library with
nine other people, and the police say, we want to
connect you. We want him to talk to the hostage negotiator,
and Draper goes fucking batche no, no, no, hang up
the phone, screaming, screaming. Then he makes Ghenn give the
phone to Michael Greer and he says, now you're my
phone man now, So he makes Michael Greer call the

(01:14:56):
local classic rock radio station.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Z ninety three.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Yes, for real, because he's going to take it to
the people. He's not fucking around with the police anymore. Utah, Yeah,
Z ninety three. It's the station everyone at work can
agree on, right because everyone loves Journey. So Michael Greer

(01:15:20):
has to call the radio station. It's the weekend DJ.
So it's somebody who's a part timer. She's just in
the reenactment. She's got headphones on, she's like kicking back.
It's the most relaxed DJ you've ever seen. And she
picks up the call and live on the air, Michael
Greer has to say, I'm being held hostage at the

(01:15:42):
Salt Lake City Library and our hostage taker wants his
demands red on the air, and the weekend DJ goes,
I don't have time for this and hangs up the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I mean, who wouldn't. You're like, fuck you with teenagers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
You god damn teenagers making my DJ life if a
living hell. Yeah, no, we won't play Devo. This is
Z ninety three, classic rock, led Zeppelin and led Zeppelin.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
That's right, classic rock block.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Put it in a while, rock block, rock block.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It's a two for Tuesday, but it's a weekend. This
was Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
What's the Saturday one? Several songs Saturday?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
You go there, you go? Nailed that, DJ, you can
take that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
You can have that, Yes for a nominal fee.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Meanwhile, across town, Tricia Griffith, who is the program director
at Z ninety three. Tricia Tricia a young lady in
the nineties directing some radio program.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Yes, girl do it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
She's at breakfast with her friend brunch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Was she having toast it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
This was a toast situation she heard self was had
already taken the toast masterclass. So she was like whipping
up four different kinds. She was like, I'm gonna have
one slice sour dough and one slice rye.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
It's how we do it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Then I am so high off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
This thin air. I can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
It's fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
It's the greatest. I totally want to move here, right
So anyhow, we'll talk about it after Okay, So she's
she gets a call the weekend. DJ calls her boss
after she hangs up, uh and goes, hey, so this

(01:17:41):
just happened, and now I have a weird feeling about it.
I don't think I did the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I might have fucked up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
I think uh, I think I might be on I
think I might be on approbation. And I'm in serious
DJ trouble right now, Tricia drops her fork, loudly, runs
out of the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Brunch her coffee, but takes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Her toast right boom important things.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Meanwhile, we're cutting back to the conference room. Now this
gets super dark.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
The bomber passes around a legal pad and has everybody
write their name down and the name of their next
of kin. So he's doing a lot of shit like that,
where he's basically like, here's mine, now I'm gonna kill you.
This is these are the different, like none of us
are getting out of here. A lot a lot of
shit like that. Also, there's a woman in the conference
room with everybody who's a diabetic and she's starting to

(01:18:35):
feel the effects. She has to take insulin five times
a day, and she tells him, look, I'm a fucking diabetic.
She didn't say fucking, and I have to take my medicine.
And he was like, well, if you didn't bring your medicine,
then that's on you. And someone else in the room
is like, she could die and he's like, well, then

(01:18:55):
that's just how it is, and then he goes, or
maybe I'll trade her out for a car. I've always
wanted to kill a cop.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
And Lloyd Prescott's like steal an accountant yep, loving them
numbers an accountant April fifteenth, Yoh hate your so much?
Tax Day? Anyway, what are you guys talking about? The police?

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Okay uh.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Meanwhile, over at the SWAT Central Yes, Swatropolitans SWAT offices,
yes uh. The SWAT sergeant Ken Hansen is prepping for
the Hosky wrestage.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
So the Husky can we get some oxygen? Please? Are
you okay? Mommy? Mommy?

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
The Hosky Restage Szila is man then me and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Miss his secret delight to me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Holy fuck, Now you know how I feel all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Isn't it the worst? That's why I was so hot.
I kept things stupid. It really sounded so right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
I feel like it's always been hosky restish.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
That was fun for me because it wasn't me.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Doesn't feel good when it's not you. Oh God, damn relief.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Okay, deep breaths, please get serious, deep breaths.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Real fast about how you right?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Shallow fast breaths.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
He's just stand up real quick, yeah and screaming yeah okay.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Meanwhile, this made me laugh so loudly when I thought
watched it today. So at one point, Draper looks at
everybody and goes, I want all of you to strip down,
strip down, naked and a party. This one girl who
has been super like in the reenactment the whole time,
she's been like she's always the girl they cut to

(01:21:18):
when they want to show people being upset or worried,
like why it's like long hair, very like you know,
like down you know, the girl next door face.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
And when he says that, she turns around and goes,
I am not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
That's where she puts her foot down. And then he
didn't make them do it. Who she should have been like,
and you're loving us out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
I cannot tell you how much I would have been
that girl. And I would have been like, definitely shoot me.
I am not taking my pants off in any way
at the library with all these nice people around here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Yeah, wow, I am not doing that. You with your
guns and your bombs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
So awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
So then he just makes them take their jackets off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Why oh, because she is not doing that, but he
has a gun under his jacket.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
That's exactly right, Georgia. I've been listening, so you, like Gwen,
have been listening. Okay, So he makes Gwen of course,
go around and take everyone's jacket from them and then
put them in the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Oh, Gwen has to be the coat girl.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Now, Gwen is co check girl.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
Gwen's like his gopher a little bit, and he keeps
looking to her, and I'm sure she's sitting there because
she's probably the whole time looking at him like is
this really what you're doing? Now, He's fine, you go
get the coats. So as she's walking around the outside
of the table when she gets to Lloyd, Lloyd gives
her the old m mmmm, like just a real quick
clicking thing with the eyes, not my coat.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
And she doesn't miss a beat.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
I encourage everyone in your life please always look for small,
tiny clues that people are trying to fucking give you,
because what is worse than being the person or experiencing
the person where you're like, don't take my coat and
they're like, why don't you want me to take your colt?
Can't you just hand me your colh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Man, We've all been in those situations where it's don't
ask me why I don't want to take my shoes
off in your mouse. If my big smell, I don't
have to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Yes, if I'm selling telling you something, but my eyes
are wide catch on, God damn it. Okay, that was
just a sidebar of advice, screamed at you angrily, Just
how I do it? I am not doing that. So

(01:23:55):
she passes Lloyd. Then Lloyd says to Draper, can I
leave my hold on him cold? And Draper, of course,
is like if I take your coat off and loses
his shit, and so he does it. He takes his
coat off in this way where he's able to pull
real quick pull his his shirt bottom. I was gonna
say shirt sleeves there Shirtley caught myself untucked his shirt,

(01:24:19):
the tail of his shirt, pull it out, shirttails, that's right,
pulls that out to cover the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Cool right in time. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
So and meanwhile, no one in the room knows that
he is a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
No one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Everyone is like, we're here with this crazy guy and
super GWe library.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
And then that's about an accountant and that's all we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
And that really cold accountant.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
What's his Why would he risk all of our lives
because he's cold?

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
I hate his gut? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
So then he he makes everybody Draper, makes everybody read
his list of demands. He hands him out and he
goes like this you, this is why I'm doing this,
and if you read this now you'll understand. And then
everyone gets it and is like, oh great, great, a
little little reason here. Uh because the letter says, among

(01:25:19):
other things, that he will not negotiate.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
He demands to be reinstated into the National Guard. WHOA,
he wants a military doctor stripped down to his shorts
to come and bring him sedatives and methamphetamine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Ooh, that's not a good mix.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Yeah, it's like a it's a it's a version of
a speedball. But at the library, uh, he demands to
be paid in gold and platinum bullon, which is badass.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
It's a financial it's actually one of the accountant was like, financially,
that's actually.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
You can't go wrong with platinum bullion on. It's really
you can take that anywhere. And then he demands to
be flown to New Zealand and he wants a full
presidential pardon from Bill Clinton. So it really bums everybody
out as they read it. Meanwhile, over at Z ninety three, Okay,

(01:26:20):
cutting back because Tricia Griffith has arrived and she's like,
I'm gonna be here now. The Weekend DJ doesn't have
to deal with the hard shit anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Cut the Blues Traveler for this is not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
It's like Harmonica hostage.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
So she sits there and at the like DJ deck,
she sits there and in just in case the hostage,
the guy the bomber calls back, which he does.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
He's screaming, do not hang up on me, put me
on the air.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Everybody dies.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
So she had the Weekend DJ go call the cops
and be like, you know he called once before, what
do we do whatever, And the cops had told the
Weekend DJ tell that do not put him on the air.
But of course Tricia's talking to him and she's like,
you know he's going to kill these people.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
There's no doubt in my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
So she was like, I'm going to put him on
the air because I don't want these people to.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Die making decisions.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
She was going full program.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Director on his ass.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
But before she did that, which is great, she thought,
I'm gonna try one thing. So she says to drape
her on the phone. The button to put you on
the air is broken and the engineer won't be back
till Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
And he buys it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Because we all know that there's a strip of buttons
that light up, and if that one is broken, the
air isn't there, and the engineer is gone. The engineer
is skiing again as he does us, so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
He buys it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
He tells her they have less than seventy two hours
or everyone dies. Then he makes Michael Greer call call
back and read the list of hostage names and next
of kin so that when he kills everybody, she can
notify the family.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yes, sorry you guys, Like, uh, did just say you
guys like him.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
I totally like him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I don't know. He's just nice and he listens. He
likes all the same bands.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
As me, like Blues Traveler makes the best toast.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Ugh, have you ever had Jesus's toast? It's very small
and round and there is it tastes like glue.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
That's a reference.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
I'm making a Catholic reference.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
No, it has the face of Jesus burnt toasted. But
he has his own.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
He burns his own face into his own toast. God
bless him literally, all right. So Clifford is telling Tricia
this super fucked up, very upsetting news, and Tricia gets
this idea, and she says, Clifford, can I ask you
a question? And he says yes, but he's screaming it

(01:29:41):
or something, waving a gun at the phone, and she says,
what can I play for you? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
So smart?

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
It's so smart, because music heals the world. All right,
pull out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
An acoustic guitar, play seven Nirvana song.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
He fucking asks for more deep cuts, for them to
stop playing the same songs all the time, and he
asks for less commercials. What.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Yeah, that's the most reasonable answer I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
It's what we all want from Z ninety three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Even never even off your meds. You're like, here's what's
going wrong. Yes, okay, great station.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
I can see this and I'm holding a curly iron
in the library. Okay. Meanwhile, on the other side of
the conference table, Sue Ellison, the diabetic, is now going
into severe diet. She's entering into diabetic shock. Everyone in
the room is saying, please let her go. He says,

(01:30:46):
no way, and oh so he's uh, Draper's getting more
and more agitated. This is this is over hours and
hours and hours have passed, and at one point he
is he keeps switching hands because he's holding the curling
iron open.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
It's like he has to grip it. He's been gripping
it for hours. He's like so bum that he made
that his Yeah, it's like he couldn't you just said that,
you know, you plug it in?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Yeah, how about a straightener?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
They just sit there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
So he asks Michael Greer, He's like, can you get
the duct tape out of my backpack? I need to
fix the bomb. So everyone's just like okay. So they're
putting pieces of duct tape over the bomb and uh,
as oh, and then he said then he the next
plan is, he goes, somebody's got to die. They need to.

(01:31:41):
The police aren't responding the way I want them to.
We have to figure out who has to die. So
he tells Gwen to go get this rope. He says,
I'm gonna cut this rope into into all these different lengths.
Whoever gets the shortest piece dies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
So Gwen talks about it and she's like, she took
forever to walk over.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
And at the room.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
She says, yeah, she was the slowest walker.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
And then as she uh, she oh. She goes to
Clifford and says, I need How am I going to
cut this?

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I can't cut this nurse and scissors in here.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
So he puts the gun down to get the knife
out of his backpack. Yeah, And the second he does that,
that's when Lloyd knows this is his fucking time to shine.
He pulls that fucking gun and so sorry, but really
quick they talk about this, which I love. He had
taken some kind of a bomb class, so he knew

(01:32:39):
if the bomb did go off in the room, if
everybody was under the table, they could probably because it's
the size of the bomb, and you know he's talking
about the type that it probably was. That bombs like
that they go off up, so if everyone was under
the plane of the table, there was a less chance
that they would all be injured. So he fucking stands
up when he sees that his hands are between weapons,

(01:33:02):
fucking stands up and screams, SHARE's office. Everybody get down.
All the people in the chairs fucking hit the deck
and he shoots Clifford Draper five times.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Sorry, I was so exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
I was so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
You like went into your own mic table.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Oh I thought it was your tube.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
No, no, it was the best visual like all.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I clung. Yes, does that scare everyone?

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
I think it's really good sound effects?

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Oh my gosh, yes, right. As when so the SWAT
team was right outside the conference room door. They were
like all in, but they were just sitting there like,
you know, they don't want that fucking dead man detonator
thing to go off. So when they hear the gunshots,
they shoot up at the top of these glass windows
that go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Into the conference room.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
These fucking windows shatter this there's like nineteen SWAP people
in the room, and when that dead man detonator hit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
It didn't fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
Work because he had put too much duct tape on
it while he was trying to fix it. So, by
some fucking miracle of real life God, that bomb did
not go off. Wow, everybody lives. Yeah, except for the

(01:34:35):
terribly mentally ill man who got shot five times died
on the way to the hospital. Sorry I should have
I'm sorry, I said to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Can we take that but our chair back? I mean,
listen all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
The hostages shit.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Gwen still works at the Salt Lake City fucking library.
After party with Gwen and she says this amazing thing
at the end of twenty twenty, She's like, when bad
things happen, you can either be a victim or you
can be a survivor. And I love the library, and
of course I still work at the library. It's just

(01:35:17):
like I'm fucking Gwen and your jewel tones kicking down
that knowledge. Lloyd Prescott at the end of that twenty
twenty was asked why he went into that conference room
at such grave danger to himself, and he said, in
the police force and in the military, it's your job
to risk your life. That's why we have cops. God

(01:35:38):
bless his soul, very more jewel tones, lyd lyd man,
Hey Lode.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
What if he and what's her face? Had fallen in
thettle Gwen and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Lloyd across the table that moment where he was like,
don't take my jacket. She's like fine, but I'm coming
back for you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Boom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Yeah, that's my lifetime movie. I'll write it when I
get home.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Shit right, that's amazing. Thank you. Fucking I was with
you that entire time. That was fucking insane. I hit
my microphone part that's how good it was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
You know, I'd like to think I survived in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
The people who actually wrote that, well, now you're one
of them. That's right. Do we have time?

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
I think?

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
So sit down, everyone, sit down. We are rules first.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
There's rules, and you need to listen. You were talking
the whole time, so don't put your hands up. I
got eyes like you wouldn't believe. If you would like
to tell us your hometown this evening, there's a couple
things to keep in mind. You can't be so drunk
that you don't know your own story anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Oh utah, they're not. They can't. It's not I don't
know I'd like to make a slapshit.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Make you feel alienated. Everybody in the room wants it
to be local, so don't come up here with your
Mississippi bullshit. It's what we want. Everyone wants local to
Utah would be great. You know you can't read, but
we say that anyway. No, no, don't be reading off

(01:37:44):
of any kind of piece of paper, and we just
want to talk to you. We want you to chat
it up. It's a great idea to keep it to
in your mind, like maybe two paragraphs, because you have
to remember that if you get picked, everyone else in
the room hates your guts. All right, thing, Can.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
We get the lights up for a second? Hello?

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Wo I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
This blonde person? Yeah, yeah, this blonde lady girl, she's
like girl, that's f.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
You can bring those lights down now, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Holly. Everyone, Hi, what's your name? Holly? Came over scary
You have to stand on the carpet or it's bad luck.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Yeah, we have.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
You gotta take it home with you tonight. Hold the
microphone to your thing, and there's your pretty necklace. Okay, Holly,
where are you from? Oh? About that place? It's a
real place. Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
Then first, I have to tell you. You gotta go
see the new library, right, is it the best?

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
But can you just give us a rundown about the
new library?

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Supermodern, glass wood, elevators, all the elements, books, escalators, No escalators, good,
we're done with those.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Better for escaping absolutely?

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
Is it nearby?

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Yeah? It's on four hundred South. Oh sure, yeah, right, perfect,
it's like two block. I'm five to twenty blocks that way. Okay,
we'll walk, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Let's go fucking see Gwen Tomorrow. Oh child for shallows
on people.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
She's on the list.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Her last name is page Books Pages.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Fucking you're killing it already, Holly. Thanks, I'm gonna tell
you you have nothing to worry about.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
I took a xanax. No, what'd you say? I took
a xanax.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
She took a Zanah no alcohol, just as annex prescribed
by my doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Amazing. Sox do you want to Okay, you want to
be the third member of this podcast? I've been dying.
I mean, I'm like, can we be the best friend? Yeah?
Something we are.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
It's already happening.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Okay, Okay, I'm there. Okay, what's your hometown?

Speaker 6 (01:40:10):
It's really sad, So let's bring it down from where
we are.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Well, why'd you say that santax thing?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Then I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:40:17):
So I live in Wyoming right now, but I used
to live in San Pete County.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
It's in the center of the state, Okay. And I
went back a.

Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
Year ago to visit my family, my sisters in law
and a friend of mine who had moved across the
street from my sisters. So we had planned to have
dinner on Thursday night. We got home, her lights were
all off, so we're like, we'll hit her up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
On Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
That night, we were out chain smoking.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
What what?

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Chain smoking?

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Jane? What brand?

Speaker 6 (01:40:55):
It's kind of embarrassing, but it's came will crush what's
that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Crush it? And then it becomes it's amazing menthol cigarettes
will kill you immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
That's what I'm going for. I'm ready to go. No,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
They're delicious, they're fresh. Im Okay. So my friend Cammy,
she was engaged and that night we were outside and
it's wildlife outside. There's cows and chickens and cats and

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all sorts of animals, and we heard we heard a
lot of noises and we thought it was just the wildlife,
and it wasn't it was. It was our friend Camy
and she she got murdered by her fiance and it
was about one hundred feet from where we were, and
we were right there, and I had just started listening

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to your podcast and I was probably listening to it
while it happened, because I had gone to sleep at
about midnight and she the police think it was about
one o'clock. And it was one of the hardest things
in my life. But you know, good things happen. People survive.
And Cammy, who was a wonderful person, and you know,

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her fiance was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Arrested the next day.

Speaker 6 (01:42:25):
He told them that she had been with us and
had been in a car accident and walked home and
then got in the bath and he got it in
the morning and she was dead. But he had done
it with a hammer on a shovel.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Just it was bad.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
But they knew that, right, like they knew he was lying.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
Yeah, yeah, well we had to answer some questions, but yeah,
it was tough. Yeah, and I still feel really guilty about.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
It, but I would go guilt, I mean, I get it,
but yeah, was sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
How long ago was this?

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
It'll be a year in March. Oh wow, that's tough. Yeah,
but I love you guys, and I love you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
You get to smoke as many Menthols as you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
I'm saying smoking back to Wyoming, but everyone's gonna have
a Menthol cigarette tonight in memory of Cammy. Yeah yeah,
I hop to Cammy. We smoked together.

Speaker 6 (01:43:20):
We took a smoking cessation class together, so we quit
smoking together and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Then we started up again. Well, you guys crushed it.
Oh my gosh, you're gonna be crush dazing. Thank you
so much for being brave and coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Thank you amazing, Callie everybody, Hollie, fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Ship, Sally City, thank you for having us, thank you,
thank you for what's that a picture of it's you?
What a picture? It's a painting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
I guess it's too late to ask that question.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Last to morn it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
I mean, I'm high as a god damn kite. I
don't know what's happening. This is such an amazing show
you guys. Thank you for being so smart. Thank you
for being fucking so on it that you sold out
tomorrow night's show and demanded this show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
What a fucking honor.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
That's what an honor. It's yeah, we we appreciate your
support so much. We can't believe we get to do
this with our lives. It's insanity and we're not just
high and saying that, we really mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
No, that's sincere.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
And we love the community that you guys have built
and we're so stoked that we get to be part
of it. So thank you guys so much for supporting us.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yeah, being bad ass, it's so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
It's so fun fun to watch you guys come out here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
It's watched.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
It's so fun to watch you guys meet each other
and become friends with each other and like build a
community where we can talk about the hardest fucking things
that happen to people in the world and still be okay.
I think that's kind of a big thing that happens
with this podcast that we didn't plan and it had
of course. We were just like, let's read true crime

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stories to each other, and something really beautiful and magical
is happening with you guys, and you're making it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
It's an honor to us what you guys are doing, honestly,
So stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Yeah, and don't get Bye guys,