125 - Bedside Astrologer!

Karen and Georgia cover the survival story of Scott Johnston and Sean Farmer and the Glamour Girl Slayer.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
And welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're a true crime podcast for when you're feeling spicy.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Or sultry or salty or uh, you know, synonymous.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
With sexual feeling, feelings, feelings. It had to be an ass.
Let's go over, Let's take it straight into the.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Gutter at the top so we can come back out
and go to heaven at the end.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is like, you know how Cosmo will have like
the sex episode.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh and it's the thickest magazine you've ever seen, filled
with garbage.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
This isn't that.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I used to like the Cosmo pull out bedside Astrologer
where you could pretend that you could read a little
waste of paper pamphlet about your sign and that was
going to tell you what kind of dudes you're going
to have sex with in the following year. And I
remember reading it like I had to read it, and

(01:16):
I felt like it would be that it was somehow
like a vision board. Yeah, like if I focus on
this enough, this might happen to me where it's like,
what does.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It mean someone I already I've already met my mister
Ray Exactly who could it be? I wonder if it
is that guy scan your brain for every single person
you've met.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm going to read you your sex horoscope right now.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Really, all right, let's see it. Sure, we can always
edit it out of this. I feel like this.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, let's just stay up top for all those people
that drive around with their kids listening, because I think
it's kind of funny. This is going to be our
triple X rated show today. It's summertime, it's hot outside.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, monthly sex scope for Taurus. You ready for this,
Taurus woman, Karen? This is for June twenty eighteen, so
you better get on this because it's halfway over. I'm
not going to Okay, Okay, seduction blossoms on hot summer nights, Karen. Really,
it says your name, and it's we're beginning as early

(02:11):
as the first week in June.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Is that true? That's my private business.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay. That's when a grand water trine, a water closely
by a quarter of moon on June sixth. What could
ignite a long, sexy and overdue discussion. No, yes, it
says it's sort of God.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I don't want to have a discussion. Dad, you proach
your confused.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
But let's get to know a cranky Mars retrograde starting
on June twenty six, contributes to the relationship altercations that arise. Karen,
it's not you being a fucking crazy bitch, it's fucking Mars.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
It's this Mars trine that I can't get away from it.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's not that you ate you didn't have enough protein
and screamed at him about his fucking car being discussed, Not.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That I went through his phone when he was in the.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Bathroom, right, I all found something not that inc dominating,
But it's Mars, for fuck's sake, Mars a full moon
and Capricorn blah blah blah. Neptune is in here, Saturn
is in here to the moon and wildly painting the
whole day in rose colored hues. Today it's difficult to
decipher whether it's real love or just old fashioned lust.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well, it's not always the way I mean, I mean
it is not the great human puzzle.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Is this person that you're.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hitting up at one point thirty four am trying to
swing by their house?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Is that love? Is? Is that? What? Lovers? How can
one know? Other than reading their daily sex horoscope, One
would never know or their private texts or their private
text I love the idea.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's not like I'm not the kind of person that
wouldn't read people's private texts.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But I'm one hundred percent for it. I just want
to go ahead and say, are you for it? One
hundred percent getting up into people's business like that? Liked
reach a person's shit.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Okay, But here's what I fine this adendum. If you're
going to be so brave and strong as to bust
in and read your persons shit, when you find out
shit that destroys your heart and life and soul, you
don't get to say anything because you fucking did it.
You did it to yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You do Why are they? Why are they doing shit
that's going to destroy your heart, life and soul? And
at least you got you found out about it before
they kept doing it. Yeah, but you can't.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
You don't have a leg to stand on once you
have been the crazy person that is reads private information.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because with this person, so you find out they're cheating
on you, it's you shouldn't have read their texts.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, if there's like I'm saying, the thing I've made
up in my mind is you're doing this cold you're
having a great relationship and you're like, oh, we just
went to the bathroom, mom, and I'm just going to
poke around, okay innocently. Then you find What I'm saying is,
if you find something bad in that, you have to
know going in, that's a that's a more than fifty

(04:56):
percent possibility.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I relationship podcast now, Because I.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Don't know if it is.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's the worst, right, I.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Guess I'm just saying I don't think so because everyone's
a liar.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Though everyone lies.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
You can't if you have to go and knowing you're
going to find something you're not happy with, Yeah, but
know that, like at what point you know you can
be you can tell them? I don't know clearly. I
fucking have read Vince's text about shit. I didn't like
we all have buckins, was like, what's up? I read
your fucking text?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
But I mean, isn't there something that in whatever?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
The argument then becomes, because all arguments become here's my
list of everything I've done right versus here's the list
of everything you've done right or wrong? Whatever right you're
thinking of, Like cheating, I feel like it kicks the
legs out from under you. Where then he's like, well, yeah,
because you're this crazy bitch, that's.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Why I cheat on you crazy. Oh No, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Saying, well, you wouldn't want a data person that would
say something like that anyway. But I'm just saying I
feel like the move itself is such a big move.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
As someone who has a lot of paranoia and anxiety
about relationships and being played a fool, I just want
to make sure that the person that they're portraying themselves
as is correct. So if I do a fucking quick
scroll of your ex girlfriend's name and your Gmail and
nothing comes up, I'll put the phone away. Great. But like,
even due diligence, I think your due diligence is good.

(06:19):
Like at any point in a relationship, X would have
looked at my phone and been like and look for something.
He wouldn't have found anything true because I wouldn't do
anything to compromise my integrity.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
And that's a good flip because if you do that,
if a guy did that to you, he.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Would be a weird, controlling monster. No, I just be like,
are you not like am I doing? Is there something
in a relationship that makes you think that something's not right?
Because let's just fucking talk about it. Got it?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But if you say that, but why no, like I
could you know? Then it was it'd be like.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So you're saying your searching isn't random or just for fun,
it's because you have your suspicions.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
The something came up, right, got it?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I was I was more talking about I was actually
thinking of the time that I was in my friend,
my grammar school friend, Connie's room and I found her diary.
I was like laying weird on her bed and I
looked in her diary reserve. So I just pulled it
out and started reading it, and she walked in. We
were never friends again. She walked in and was like,
that's my diary and then I was like, oh, well,

(07:22):
it's just here. I wanted to read it. I want
to know what your private thoughts are. And then I
just was like, oh, yeah, that's the kind of thing.
Or like I've one time open to family friend's nightstand
because the adults time home never did that, And yeah,
I found proof of people having an affair. And I
was like, I was ten Jesus and it was I

(07:44):
couldn't tell anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
It was the proof pictures.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
He saw naked pictures.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
They weren't naked, No, it was just it was more
actually romantic. But I didn't I told my sister like
two years ago. It was that big of a like
I went like, oh shit, and then I was like,
why do I do shit like this?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't want to know this.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think it's different with your friends and family than
with your like the person you're like planning to spend
your life with.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
You know, No, that's true.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well you're now very specifically thinking of like, I'm not
attacking you for you whatever happened.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
It feels like it. Can I look at your phone
and make sure you're not attacking me. I feel like
I'm being attacked.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I just think you can really open up a can
of worms that you never like. You think you know
what you're gonna find, and then you fucking are like,
wait a second. He ships human beings across state lines
and you're like, uck, I have to yeah, go into hiding.
I agree, this has been the Zodiac sex calendar.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Let's talk about the staircase because everyone wants to say,
oh my god, staircase.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's I mean Twitter, I'm gonna say this, Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I never don't like the obscure ones that are like
randoms where the really cold on. Somebody just said, did
you see the Fear of thirteen, which is a documentary?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I love that, Yeah, where it's I.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Love when it's random, yeah, because I don't really follow
the like you know, Dateline Will special and the ABC
specials and stuff like that, So those ones I like.
Also what I.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Love is when Josh Magwitz retweets like, this is going
to be a good episode for Dateline do that? I
follow him on Twitter. He's the best ship. He's great,
He's so funny, like he's.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Someone I want to hang out with in real life.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
He has that hilarious thing where they I think it's
the NBC stories, like they haven't they're not carrying the
Dateline products, and he was like pretending to be mad
they don't carry his cut out. Oh my god, he's
so delightful.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
We should have him hang out with us. We should
we should make we should force him. Okay, but the
Staircase did have some extra episodes that were new, okay,
that I haven't watched because first of all, it's not
it's made by the same people who made what seems
to me a very fucking bias documentary, so I'm not

(09:49):
going to find anything earth shattering and new. But again,
when it's from the same people, Yeah, but then again,
maybe it will convince me that maybe he's innocent.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
So I should watch it, just as do Diligence.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I feel like my thing is, Yeah, we've we've kind
of been sub merged. Submerged, which is such a weird word,
but we've been in that documentary and in that story
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
You haven't, by the way, episode one hundred or a
hundred episode, that's the only murder we discuss. And I'm
on adderall and I apologize.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I can now admit. How many episodes out are we?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Fifteen one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and twenty five,
so twenty five episodes out. Karen, I'm just I'm okay.
Karen's cyperventilating. Oh, I just she broke her mic Ladies
and gentlemen. I just want to say, haven't I get really,
I get really passionate.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
And I interrupt Karen through the whole thing. I had
a lot of shame afterwards.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
You did.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I felt bad for you afterwards because you.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You shamey and I just want to say don't do drugs.
I am, I have add I'm prescribed adderall. But after that,
I went back to my psychia trustan was like, it's
not working for me anymore. She gave me something else.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But that was also that combination of us being crazy
excited and breaking format, which isn't an easy thing to do.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sharing a murder, and then then you and I didn't agree,
which was like that's that was the perfect example of
what I'm normally like when I have a conversation about
true crime with someone, is I yell at them, sure
they don't believe me.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And I love you know, I love yelling. Yeah, But
I'm sorry because that made me laugh so hard, just
because I first of all, I love that you just
said that anywhere that honest, And secondly I love I
feel like we just have different you know, Like I say, like,
when something happens to me, I won't be able to
talk about this for four days because I can't process.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I don't know what happens real time. I have to
wait for it later.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
You're like, oh shit, yeah, and I think your yours
is three months.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You're just like, can't.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I don't want to. I don't want it right this second,
but like I'll be able to go thereafter because I
want to make up for it before I admit that
it was, you know, I want to prove that that's
not going to like episode three or one of three.
If I had said that, it would have been like,
you need to go take care of that, And it's like,
let me take care of this.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Sure, you know what I mean. Yes, it's you're.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Saying, I admit I did this and it's no longer
rectify it.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, exactly, you don't need to have any intervention with me.
I clean up my own mess. Please, don't worry about it.
I love it, you know what, full respect to that honesty.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I'll always talk about my fit, my failings and
faults because we do. What else is there to talk about.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's the most interesting thing to talk about.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Also, I think the thing with Adderall well, my thing
is just I don't understand the adderall high specifically, but
having been a speed attic, right, I recognize the intensity intensity,
and I don't mind it. I love it because but
the only thing with that was it started to feel
like a facts argument, which is my least favorite part

(12:54):
about true crime obsession is you know, the thing I
get the worst wrong, which is like I'm not paying
attention to the dates, the seasons, the months, right years.
I'm going they had a knife in their fucking eye
or whatever. Horrible Like I'm obsessed on the detail experienced,
experiential detail as opposed to you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Not a cop. I'm me what upset me and it
probably still would, but I just wouldn't scream at you
about it. Is that the conclusion that it was kind
of like to me, It's like we watched the same thing.
How did you not come to this conclusion? You're my friend, like,
and it's just like, but I need to let people
have opinions.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
And also what I was saying wasn't necessarily like my
like in my hard opinion, I was like.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, but what if this? Yeah, but it doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I apologize for that. Thank you. So go listen to
the episode one hundred on the Staircase, and then in
episode two hundred, this time Karen will be on adderall can.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I just for the show, just for an example, I
love it you. I mean I had a friend tell
me when right as my speed era ended and I
stopped doing it, she was like, oh, yeah, I don't
think you noticed. But I was not friends with you
for two years. I could not be around you. I
was like, I didn't notice. Oh you didn't notice. I
didn't notice anything. I was talking and smoking like all day.

(14:14):
I slept for two hours a night. It was rough stuff,
and it was it's not fun to talk or for
the experience of being around me.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Is the only interaction can be. Did you see this thing?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I hated it? You're wrong.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Whatever you say is wrong. You could hate it and
just be hating it wrong right. I wouldn't let anybody
off the hook keep anything. People driving me crazy?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Who do that when you're like agreeing with them and
they don't Yeah whatever, okay?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Because you know what it is?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
That habit when people go no, but and they're not
listening to the point you're making. They just need to
possess their opinion independently of it.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's like you could never understand what their opinion is.
It's like they're closer to it than you are.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, fine, good get it all the way up
in there.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I don't need it. God bless you for it, God
bless you. My cats don't talk back. That's why we
have pets. That's why we have pets and drugs coffee.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well wait, I wanted to ask Stephen, this is You're
not in the middle of something, are you?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Are we in the middle of something always? No? Wait
was I no?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
No? Oh, we're just staircase.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
We're just explaining why we're not jumping on this staircase bandwagon.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
But we love.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I didn't mean to be so harsh in the beginning.
We love the people. Are this excited totally? It's super
fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Well, by next week we'll watch We'll have watched the
New Ones.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
By next People book Club, the Staircase series, we'll have
browsed the New Ones. I should have said, we'll browse them.
We'll get mad at certain people. We'll be able to
talk about do my nails my nails, WI look great.
I'm gonna wear a tweet suit. I'll dress like a
North Carolina lawyer.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
An owl. Oh, I will wear a full owl suit.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
What if we dress Elvis up as an owl? Oh
my god?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, Steven, start the costume now, Steven sew it.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Stephen, you just got back from Europe, because you tell
the people what you did in Europe.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Well, I never thought I would do this in my life,
but I.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Didn't because I was not surprised any fucking way when
you told me.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
I just I mean, I just never thought I would
be somebody to Basically, I really wanted to see the
new Jurassic Park movie early.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Of course, podcasts about Jurassic Park.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
You ever said that on this podcast.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
About so please do see Jurassic right, I just everyone
just shares their Jurassic Park stories. The last my favorite movie.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you have fifteen podcasts, yes about a different animal.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Yeah, oh, one animal all the time. But no, I
just like the idea of like traveling to go see
something I like. I and so i've because it came
out early because of the World Cup. So they're like
Universal was like, we don't want to compete with the
World Cup because our people aren't going to go to
the movies. See, I flew to London to see the
drastic Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom early.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
So and that's part that's number three.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Part. Well, it's the fifth Jurassic Park in the second
Jurassic World.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, yeah, no, okay, but it's good, right.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
I loved it. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it three times now.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I said to someone, I don't have to have watched
the last two if to see this new one. Yeah, yeah,
go to you.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
I mean, I think you have a good time either way.
It reminded me of like Pants Labyriny even.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Come on Labyrinth was great.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, it reminded me of like Pants Labyrinth. It has
more of like a gothic fairy tale vibe.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh that's great. A lot of cool people there. Yeah,
it was like.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
There were some other people that flew out and I
saw with my friend Katie, and then I saw with
my friends Tom and this skuy Clayton. Really nice guy.
But I was going to say, when you're saying think
of London stories, Well, the funniest part about the whole
thing was I made this plan like two months ahead
to go see it, and then the day before I leave,
somebody was like, hey, do you want to see it
in la there's an early press screening. I was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I didn't say no because well that's like a fancy yeah. Well,
I was like, yes, it's important. Well I was like, oh,
I'm sorry, I have tickets to see it in London.
I don't want to see it in that like you
never Yeah, but I mean I still had a great time.
I love like I just drank a lot of beer,
saw museums. Because also, what if your planet crashed on
the way to London and you never got to see
Jurassic World.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Never wait at that, never wait to see a wonderful
film with dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
That's awesome. Welcome home?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, thank you?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Do you feel jet lag?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Yeah? Even like all over the map? But it's fine.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
That's the best.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, take an adderall yeah, yes, take an adderall in
fight with people about tea restes, well.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
We'll just take different drugs and see how like different expersis.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I think it's a great idea. All right, well, welcome home.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
So yes, we're glad you're here, and we're glad you
had It's it's a good idea to make your own
fun like that, and like, yes, if it's important to you,
it's important. So you fucking fly wherever you want to
go see a movie that you like.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
You saw Jurassic right, yeah, get out, never mind, cut
that out. Don't cut that out? Wait what is it?
I don't get podcast? His podcast called se Jurassic right right,
So we went and saw Jurassic right, correctly. Oh, correctly,
got it?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Ha ha is a Mountain Goats song. By the way,
that's reference to yeah, see America right, Oh.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
The Jurassic right.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, Wow, that's deep.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I always I was always like, I guess I don't
care enough about Joassic Park to understand what the title
of Stephen's podcast met.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I never even thought twice about it because there's so
many weird podcast names, and I was just like, uh, huh, sure.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I'll find out later.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, all right, let's uh, ladies in general, do you
have anything else?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yes, just this one from our live show in Salt
Lake City, when I talked about the Salt Lake City
Library shooter and talked very thoroughly about the true crime
show that I saw about the case, and I talked
very much about the re enactor.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Michael B.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Woods absolutely played the shooter and was great. Yeah. Somebody
sent us a message saying that Michael B. Woods won
just a couple of nights ago, he won a Chicago
theater award called the Jeff Award.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh my god, Jeff, which is the funniest name of voltage.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
It's just like a picture of a guy or a
lego sculpture of a guy.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And Dockers. What comes up, combs up like Jeff super
supportive of your.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Acting, the trophies, beer Cooozy, the photo of Jeff on.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
It's so it's a very prestigious theater, you girl, that's important.
My humongous Well here's the thing though, the Chicago theater
seen as humungky, it's like on par with New York.
It's or, you know, obviously trying to compete with that.
There's tons of great acting, obviously Steppenwolf, and there's so

(20:33):
much good theater in Chicago that this is is it
doesn't matter what the award is because the guy, the
idea that you got picked as Best.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Principal Performer is the re Enactment Award. No, he played
fucking Sarah. No, holy shit, and to bursh Sarah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
No Rosenfeld.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It's this watching our little rising stars that we randomly
pick out in the podcast.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
I know, and thank god we're picking We are picking stars.
We're hit makers. Were like for Michael be Wood's we're
seeing what about Cameron from fucking mind Hunter, who's a
great year, He's blowing up. He's going to be in
the next Jurassic Park movie.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's a lie. Stephen, don't get excited. Well this is over?
Is this podcast over?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh you know what we have to talk about?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Huh uh?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
That we did that podcast, the movie podcast Movie Crush.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
So Chuck, who you guys know from stuff? You should know?
Who's a fucking really awesome nice dude.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah. He has legendary podcast, legendary podcasts, the network everything.
He had us as guests on his movie podcast called
movie Crush, and the movie he picked for us to
talk about, yes, was fucking Silence of the Lambs.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's the best because it's like it's basically this podcast
is like they just you take the one movie that
the people love, whoever the guests.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Are, and then you just like go over and over
and over.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I could have done that for fucking hours. I had
so many questions for you guys too, because I thought
you'd know. I mean, it went on it.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
There were things that came out that we were like,
oh wait, who was that? Like, not realizing that I
kind of didn't know something, or I'm like, oh.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
That movie is so good because you pick up new
things every time you watch it. I rewatched it when
I got home that night. It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
It was so good.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Only I'm really mad at myself because on the episode
when we were talking about the autopsy scene and she
talks about the nails, I said that Clarice Starling says
it looks like city to me, and the fucking line
is it looks like town to me. Oh the word
is town. It's such a better word. I was so
mad I misquoted it.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
It sounded good. So I just like to yeah, so
go watch that. It's called movie Crush. I mean listen
to it.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
It listened to it.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
It's a podcast and it's out tomorrow, right, yeah, so Friday, Yeah, yeah,
I'm first, right.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yes, but first I'm going to be can you hear
the crow calling tossed solid and scrambled dick?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Okay, So this is a really fun combo case where
it started with a listener named Kate Butler who tweeted
at us. I wouldn't have said her last name except
for it's in her Twitter handle. Okay, so she must
not give a shit, And Kate wrote, hey, you guys
should do the Appalachian Trail Killer. And then it like

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rattled around in my head and I was like something
went dang, like that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
That I've definitely heard of before d about yeah, so uh.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
But then I was like, as my as the days progressed,
I was like, I don't feel like doing any work
because I have the I have like real summertime fever
right now, or like that's.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
What your sex horoscope said about it too, that's actually
you actually have a VD.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It's like, yeah, exactly, see a doctor.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Your summertime fever is called gone rhea. No, but I
just don't can't sit like you know, we've been. We've
been sitting and writing an working on a bunch of
shit for so consistently long.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I can't sit in that chair anymore. So I was
like that chair, I love it. There's a work chair.
That's all you do is there's.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
A whole part of the table I avoid when I'm procrastinating,
which is always and I remembered, so I was like,
I'm doing it. I survived this week. And I was
just trying to sit and think of like when I
think of that title, which my favorite ones?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Which ones dang up in my head?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
And there's one that I've always loved, and you know
how we always joked in on I survived. It's always
two women who tell you the most harrowing, like rape
and attempted murder story that they survived.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's so incredible.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
And then there's a guy that's like, I tipped my
snowmobile over and thought I was never going to get
back up, and you're like, I'm going to fucking kill you.
And then it dinged into my head that is not
always the case. And there is one episode that I've
always loved, and the two guys that tell their survival
story are straight out of fucking Central Casting because it

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takes place on the appalach in the Appalachian Mountains, and
they're two guys from Virginia, and one of them.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is what else?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I'll say this, this is an episode of I Survived,
starring Shawn and Scott, Shawn and Scott, Shawn and Scott.
And it's also I got additional information from an article
that was from the Washington Post written by a writer
named Will Haygood and the title of it is Lonely,
Dark and Deep, and it was written on July ninth,

(25:30):
two thousand and eight. It's a great, great article about
this event. So we'll just get into it. Let's tell okay,
it's May sixth two thousand and eight. So ten years ago,
ten years and a month ago, basically a decade ago.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Also, no, nos a decade ago. Do you know that
ten years is called a decade? We didn't know that. No, no, no,
I didn't know. These are all kinds.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Of word sense that you can learn from me if
you pay attention. Okay, So they they're going on a
fishing trip together to a place called Dismal Creek, Virginia.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Perfect, go there.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
You should absolutely fucking go there.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now, you know how we love I survived, or I
should say, the thing I love the most about I
survived is how beautifully It's like they use b roll
sometimes in true crime shows. As we all know, the
b roll and the voiceover can be the most salacious,
disgusting thing of all time, where they just keep cutting
to like a half naked woman screaming and it just

(26:36):
goes on forever and you're like, what the fuck are
you guys even doing with this?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
That's why I survived?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Just so good?

Speaker 3 (26:41):
They The b role they use is it'll be like
July sixth, two thousand and eight, and then it says
gorgeous creek, it's just where they were, and they just
keep showing you film of now, here's their campfire, here's
the campfire blown out, Here's where they're camping.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So this area is gorgeous, so it's almost like like
the like the screen screensaver exactly like showing you mountain
the things.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
But meanwhile, and it makes it so much scarier because
it's just putting you in that place, but it's not
filling it in with a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Drama showing you blood dropping in all this bullshit.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Exactly because that's how these horrible things happen. As you're
standing there looking at this beautiful lake like these guys.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Did so ominous music starts playing with the fucking it's
just not.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And then, of course, the thing that is my very
favorite thing, where at the end, as they tell some
horrible turn of like then I turned and looked down
the hallway and there's a man standing there. When they
cut to this the next story, the transition sound is
a man exhaling.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
But it's very subtle, but if you watch it, you'll
see it goes creepy.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
It's the creepiest noise. It's so perfectly weird.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
We're down, We're.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
We're w downers.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
The mayor of this small city. It's Dismal Creek, Virginia.
They've got these two guys is Scott Johnston, who I
went to high school with a guy named Scott Johnston
and Sean Farmer, and they have been going to this
area since they were little boys. And a lot of
it sounds like from the story I read and stuff
that obviously it's the Appalachian Mountains and it's this amazing

(28:16):
wilderness and people go there all the time. And obviously
the Appalation Trail starts a little bit north of where
this area is and goes I didn't know it goes
all the way up to Maine. WHOA, It's like basically
your best Virginia rs.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I just pointed to the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't know anything ceiling.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Did you know that Maine is in the ceiling?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I love it there.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, So these two guys, they're like, we're going to
go fishing at Dismal Creek this weekend. Scott's gets there
first and he goes and fishes by himself, and Sean's
going to show up in the afternoon. Apparently I'm filling
this in a little bit. I like to think that
Sean had an office job. He could not get away.
Boss was a dick, right, whereas Scott might be a

(29:00):
woodworker and he makes shit on his arm. He's like,
I can go up to Dismal Creek any fucking time
I want. So he's there fishing trout, fishing in the
morning trout.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
And catches a bunch of fish.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
He's dry.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
He's driving back to the campsite and he sees this
old guy come up an embankment from the creek or river. Yes,
and he's really gaunt and he's kind of scary looking,
but he's got like a new camouflage hunting jacket on,
so he doesn't look like as Scott says in I Survived,

(29:34):
he's like, he doesn't look like a bum, but he's
has He looks gaunt and like he hasn't eaten in
a while, and like he's been out in the woods
for a while. And he has a dog with him
that's so starving its stomach is bloated. So he stops
the truck and he's about to say, like, Hey, what's
going on. You're okay whatever, and the guy comes over
and Amelia, you just start talking about I've been trying

(29:55):
to fish all morning.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
There's no fish in that creek.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
And so Scott said, open his I pictured it as
a wicker basket. I don't know what it actually was.
He's fucking Yogi bear, you know, like one of those
fishing baskets you wear in your hip. He opens up
his wick beautiful wicker basket with his initials engraved into
the top.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
He sewed himself, Yes, made himself.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
He's a woodworker.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
He's a woodworker that also likes to work and reads.
He'll try out to read and make a basket. Absolutely,
he's a man of the earth.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay. So he opens the basket shows him.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
He's like, look at all this trout I caught, And
then he gives the guy a couple because he feels
bad for him, and the guy says thank you, and
they seems happy. And then the guy asks, are you
guys staying nearby here? And Scott's like, oh, yeah, we're
staying at that campsite right over there. And the old
man's like, oh, oh, I'm staying at a one that's
just kind of right past it. Maybe I'll swing by

(30:56):
and like visit you guys there, and so Scott's like, sure,
come by, real polite. These are like beautiful southern boys
that are real polite, and so he and then so
Scott goes, he stops to collect firewood. So in the meantime, Sean,
his friend, who's an office worker. Look, he loves his job.

(31:17):
Means a lot to him to be able to work
for the government. Yeah, I don't know what he of is.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
He? Actually?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I would say this Scott looks like he could be
played by Tim Blake Nelson, that actor that was in
Oh Brother, Where Art though?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Oh, that guy is exact.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's that guy. I love him.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And then the Shawn character I think should be played
by our comedian friend John Gamberling.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's exactly what he looks like.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
He's got like, got a beard and a round face
and real real low key. Okay, So Sean rolls up
to the campsite and he sees there's this old gaunt
guy there and he's a little bit weird a that
he gets out of the truck and the gaunt guy
is like, oh, I'm at Scott earlier and he invited
me to come by. So immediately Sean's comfortable because he's like, oh,

(32:05):
he knows Scott. They already hung out. Everything's fine. So
when Scott comes back from collecting firewood. He sees that
his friend Shawn has showed up and the gaunt man's there.
They're talking, They built a fire, chilled out. Everything's cool
as they all talk. Then Scott's like, well, we're about
to barb, you know, we're about to throw some hamburgers
on the grill and cook up these trout Do you
want to stay and eat dinner with us? And the

(32:26):
old guy's like, sure, sounds good, and he said they
wouldn't thought nothing of it. Totally normal older man.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
But he said he also said he looked a little
bit like he looked frail.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Like he might be an alcoholic or like a little
sick somehow. But other than that, he commented on just
how new the clothes looked like his hunting boots were expensive.
So he didn't, you know, he didn't think like this
was just some stranger straggler.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
So they eat dinner.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Everything's normal, and right is it starts to get dark.
It's like the sun has gone down and it's getting
dark because the guy wasn't leaving, and they kept thinking, well,
you're kind of an older guy and you have to
get to your campsite. You'd think you would leave when
the sun was still up, but he doesn't. Finally the
guy stands up and he's like, all right, then, come
on here, we go to the dog. And as he

(33:15):
does that, he walks behind both Scott and Sean and
and I survived. Sean's the one that says it. And
he's like, then, all of a sudden, my head was ringing.
He here's a big boom and his left ear is
ringing like crazy. And what's happened is and from Scott's perspective,
the old straggler that they just gave a shit ton

(33:37):
of trout and Hamburger's too, just turned and walked over
pulls out a twenty two, a tiny gun. He said,
he didn't even he couldn't see the gun. He just
saw the man extend his arm and shoots Sean in
the face. What the fuck right right here on the
left side of his face. So yes, So, so you
watch somebody shoot your friend in the head.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That person is dead. So Scott jumps up and fucking runs.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
He immediately in his mind, said he said that, he
immediately thought there's when he set up the tent, he
remembered there being like this little embankment area behind it
with a cedar group of cedar trees or whatever. He
was like, Oh, there's a place I can take shelter.
So he just takes off in the dark into the
woods and he doesn't know if the guy's chasing him.
He doesn't know what's happening. But and he doesn't know

(34:28):
that the guy then shoots him in the back. He
doesn't feel it and he doesn't realize it. The guy
shot him actually in the nape of the neck.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
So what happens is when Scott finally stops running and
he's standing there trying to figure out what happened and
what if Sean still.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Alive or whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
He as his heart beats, the bullet wound is spurting
six inches of blood as with every heartbeat behind him. Well,
like I think he was making it seem like it
was a little bit on the side, but basically like
the bullet came through this way, so you know, from
what I put together. So because he basically took his
finger and stuck it in the bullet hole to stop

(35:08):
the blood flow.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
So he's just holding his right index finger in his
own neck to keep the blood from coming out. Now, Meanwhile,
strangely and miraculously, Sean gets shot in the head and
isn't dead. He stands up and Sean also is six
foot four three and twenty five pounds, so he's not

(35:32):
I mean, a man is holding a gun on him
and stuff, but.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He does turn face the guy. What the fuck's going on?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
And they're about ten feet away at this point, the
man shoots him again in the chest.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
He still doesn't go down.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh my god, how fucking terriflying.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So so when the man so after he got shot
in the chest, that's when he the man turned away
from him, got distracted shot Scott in the neck. So
that's when Sean runs over to his jeep and jumps
inside and his of.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Course his driver's side windows down. Roll out your windows everyone.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
The I like in movies, well, especially when modern cars
where you have to have the key and to roll
the window up or whatever. But like remember old movies
where you're trying to roll the window up with the
crank really fast while like a bad person's coming their
arm is coming through the window.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, that whole like window car scenario, getting in the
car when you're being chased, that whole scenario drives me crazy.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It's crazy making, and it's that thing where sometimes I
try to practice it, Like if I'm just letting myself
into my front door, I'll be like, right now, you
have to do this in three seconds someone's walking up
and I can never fucking do it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I do that too because my new car, Like, if
you have the key on you and you walk to
your car, it unlocks all the doors. Yes, so I'll
see how quickly I can lock. Well, I have to
know by my brain where the locking mechanism ends, so
before I even sitting down, the doors are all locked.
In case someone's trying to get in on the other
side or following me. It's not a very safe feature. Toyota, Toyota,

(37:01):
can we.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Talk this through because I feel like you need to
think about garage, underground garages, paranoid women, paranoid women, and
I don't know, just it would just be great to
talk to you.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Safety, okay, So okay.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Sean jumps into the driver's seat, fucking scrambling right, scrambling
for his keys or whatever. The fucking gaunt man comes
up over his hand goes into the driver's window. Sean
literally like blocks it with his hand. And he hears
the trigger pull and no shot. The guy's run out
of ammunition. He's already shot six times or however I

(37:36):
shouldn't say that. However, many's into twenty two, which I
certainly don't do. Oh yeah, twenty two tiny bullets point
twenty two tiny bullets. Okay, So miraculously doesn't go off.
So then he's like he fucking takes off. He in
the car, Yes, he guns it and does the thing
where he leans down below the windshield and fuck drives

(38:00):
away so the guy can't shoot him again, like he's
not up, which I fucking love. That's like straight out
of a movie. So now over in the in the
haller where he took cover, Scott is like watches his
friend peel away and he immediately goes, I'm I have
like a pretty critical wound here.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I have to get help.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
And if I don't run to the road to meet
him to like basically cut off my friend, I'm gonna
get stuck up on this mountain. So he just starts
fucking taking off through the woods, which is incredibly dense
underbrush and all that shit, and it's dark, so he
has to like beat his way with.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
His finger in his neck. Every time when his heart
rate goes higher, the fucking blood is gushing.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
War Well, no it's not gushing with the finger in there.
So he's like, that's a temporary solution.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
So he and he fucking makes it. He makes it
to the cutoff.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
So when the movie, it's the crazy and it's also
these two guys tell it. You know that thing like
and I won't say it's a say, necessarily Southern thing,
but like I know a couple of people who are
from West Virginia, and it's kind of a thing where
it's like everything's.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Real low and key, just the facts.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
They're not like, it's not like Brooklyn where you're like, hey,
this guy came over here in gestures and shit, it's
all like a real sedate. You can see these guys
telling the story over beers at a.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Bar, and they don't but they don't want to like
over dramatize it and make themselves seem like show offs exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
They're the exact opposite of that, where they're just like, yeah,
it was crazy, Yeah it's the best, but then yeah,
they're now in a Mel Gibson movie level insane situation.
So drives away without looking, gets down and the road
to So you have to think about the Appalachian Mountains.
They're at a campsite, so they're not even near a

(39:50):
road right now. They have to get on a dirt
road to drive down a couple miles to the main
road that's actually paved. So so Sean comes around the corner
and the jeep Scott's standing there, covered in blood and
standing there, he like skids up, Scott jumps in and

(40:11):
they gun it, and this part of I survived Scott
goes and I mean, you know, I was just really
worried because like I couldn't even believe he's driving because
he was shot in the head, and it's like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
He probably shouldn't have been the driver.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
And the weird thing is then, so they're going forty
miles an hour down a road they said that they
would normally drive twenty miles an hour down, because not
only is it dirt and really narrow, it's a mountain
road where every turn has a drop off on the side,
like a thirty foot drop. So they're gunning it down
this mountain and at one point they Scott has to

(40:55):
tell Sean to break because they're going so fast on
this turn because Scott can't actually really see that well,
he's losing his vision in his right eye. And uh,
they they come around, he's like break, break, break, and
they skid out and they go up and they said,
they're the tire went six inches. They were six inches
away from the edge of the embankment. But then they're like,

(41:16):
but you got to go like straighten it out, and
so they did that. The second time it happened this
basically the same thing where they took a turn way
too fast. They're they're because they think because Scott's truck
with the keys.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
In it our back at the camp site.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
So they're like, the guy one hundred percent got into
that truck and is chasing us. Yeah, there's no way
he's gonna let us get away. So they're like, we
have to go top speed. Also, we have to go
top speed because all of the blood is leaving both
of our bodies at one time into this jeep. So
the second time they do that, they go up onto
an embankment. They turn too fast, go up onto this embankment,

(41:51):
almost roll the jeep, like just barely don't roll the jeep,
and and a bunch. They kick up a bunch of
rocks and break the windshield. And so that's when Scott goes, Okay,
you work the gas and the break and I'm going
to steer because you can't fucking see, and you like,
I'll tell you when to gas and break so we

(42:13):
can get down this road. Oh, because on that second
spin out, it was because Sean had blocked out because
he has had a bullet in his fucking head. Oh my, Okay,
So they're like, we have to get down this mountain road.
So you finally get to the main road. So it
was like a mile or two on the dirt road.

(42:36):
Then they get to the main road. The main road
it's five miles and once they get down the mountain
on the main road, it's forty miles to a hospital.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
No, so far, it's so far. I don't go that far.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
And I mean that's the thing about camping. There was
no cell service up there at all. You can't use
your phone on that mountain. So they were as it was,
of course, like the worst thing that could happen when
you're that far. Yeah, so they know they're on like
a clock that where they're already in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
So they race down.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
They finally get to the main road and they race
down and when they get to the bottom, like you know,
to where there's actually houses. The first house they see
the lights are on, and so Scott yells stop the car,
they're gonna help us, and and Sean like almost blind,
just stops the car in the middle of the road
and puts it in park, and Scott jumps out and

(43:26):
runs to the he is he has lost all the blood.
He jumps out, runs bangs on the door. All right,
let me catch up to myself here.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So I just want everyone listening to know that Karen
is just telling the story. He's not reading anything. And
it's like really fun to watch. Well, because I've seen
this one.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, the other stories in this episode of I Survived.
It's season three, episode seven, and the other stories are
a really terrible But it's another one of those women
that tells her a rape survival story with this amazing
look on her face and these bride eyes. And it
was a thing where she was in her twenties. They
moved into apartment and her father's like, I don't like

(44:05):
that there's no bars on the window because you're on
the first floor. I'm coming over tomorrow to put them in.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
And that night. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
And then this other story is this guy who got
attacked by a bear and his dog, Lady Bug helped
save him.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's a good girl.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Season three, episode seven is like, peak, I survived. It's incredible.
Everybody survives.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Wait what spoiler alert?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Spoiler alert that out.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Every single fucking person. I don't think Ladybug survives. I
shouldn't just drop that out there because I'm not positive,
but I think it. Well, now they have to watch.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, exactly, you tell us a fucking Ladybug survived. I
don't think she does.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
So the house that they stop in front of this
is my favorite. Is a woman named Melissa Miller and
her twenty year old son Randy, her home, fucking God,
and of course she here sees someone banging on the door.
Here's someone banging on the door, as opposed to seeing it.
Then goes to the front door and looks out. It's

(45:11):
two dudes covered in blood or a car covered in blood.
So she's like, I don't want to get involved in this.
They got clearly gone to a fight, and blah blah blah.
Then she looks out and recognizes Sean. No because her
friend dated him a couple of years ago. Yes, So
she's like, wait, what is this? And then Scott's like,
this guy just attacked us.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You have to call nine one one. We need medical
help immediately. So Melissa Miller calls nine one one and
they have to wait twenty minutes. No, don't wait that
long because they're so fucking fire out, No, Milla nowhere.
At one point they were waiting so long as they
got Sean out of the jeep. She sat Scott down
on the porch, sits Sewan down on the porch. They
start to get towels. They're holding pressure on all the

(45:49):
wounds and just and giving them water and helping them
talking to them. At one point, Scott has Melissa call
his mom because he's afraid it's the last time he
has a chance to talk to her, and he tells
his mom he's fine and don't worry. It's so ugh
And then so finally the cops come. At one point,
Melissa Miller calls nine one one back and goes where
y'all at or y'all at beause it's like, we can't

(46:10):
wait very much longer.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
When the cops show up. The cops get there before the.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Ambulance, and the cops ask Scott for a description, and
as Scott is describing the gaunt man that attacked them,
Melissa Miller's father and Randy's grandfather.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Lives in the house. He hears the description and he says to.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Randy, he knows all about who this person is because
there was a man named Randal Lee Smith who lived
in the nearby town of Parisburg. But it's like the
fruit pear, not Paris, Paris, France, but Parisburg, and I'm
probably pronouncing it wrong. He tells his grandson to run

(46:52):
down to Trent's grocery store and go grab that picture
of Randal Lee Smith that had been up because Randal
Lee Smith had disappeared from Parisburg six weeks prior, so
there's a picture up of like have you seen this man?
So he's like, go get that picture. So Randy has
to run down. The store is closed, but luckily it's
some tiny town where there. He goes to the owner's

(47:12):
house and is like, we got an emergency. Open the store,
grabs the picture, runs back to the house, and as
Scott is being loaded into the ambulance, that's finally there.
He holds up the picture and Scott goes, I am
one hundred percent sure that is the man that shot us.
Oh my god, And it's this man, Randa Lee Smith.
And so they put out an APB for Randa Lee Smith.

(47:35):
When then two menovac helicopters land and they put Scott
thinks that because obviously Sean's been shot in the head,
he's way worse off than him, so he's so worried
about him. But they get put in two separate helicopters,
and when Scott is a helicopter, he overhears the EMT

(47:58):
or who are the person working there, like, I don't
think he's going to make it to the hospital. And
then he here's her say, yeah, he's he's lost too
much blood and I no longer have a pulse and
he realizes she's talking about him, and he realizes he
can't feel his body. So he's like, oh, I just
I thought I was dead in the helicopter, like I

(48:20):
thought I was already dead.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Okay, So meanwhile, police, uh, oh, by the way, we
might as well just skip to this part. Well, no,
we'll say this part so the police know about Randall
Lee Smith because in nineteen eighty one he had befriended
two hitchhikers on at the Wapiti Shelter, which was in

(48:49):
the in the exact same area. It was one mile
away from the campsite where Sean and Scott were, and
he befriended them. They hung out exactly the same way
where they had like shared shared a meal or whatever.
And then it wasn't clear if he like slept in
their campsite or if he said goodbye, but he in

(49:12):
the middle of the night there were two twenty seven
year old social workers and his name was Robert Mountford Junior,
and her name was Susan Ramsey, and he shot Robert Mountford.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
In the head.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
And then he and Susan Ramsey got into this fight
where she fought him off, and he ends up stabbing
her twelve over twelve times with a long nail.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh my god, she's just hideous and horrible.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Their bodies don't get found for weeks, so they it
took them a while to find him. But he ends
up getting arrested for these murders. He is convicted of
secondary murder because they plea bargain. He ends up serving
fifteen years in jail for two innocent people's murder.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, fifteen fuck years, fifteen years in jail, and then
he gets paroled and he goes he moves to Parisburg.
He works odd jobs for about a decade, kind of
kicks around. I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
This, No I know.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And he then starts to run out of money and
he just collects up his shit and goes up into
the mountains. And so that was six weeks before Scott
ran into him on that trail. Is when he disappeared
from Parisburg. And when those pictures went up of him.
Have you seen this man? We don't know where he is,

(50:33):
which also means that for six weeks he was fucking
around in those mountains and no one knows what he
was doing or who he was doing it.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well, where to get those clothes from? Clearly he stole them,
that's right. Oh so okay, So.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
When they finally did find him and arrest him, which
was almost immediate because he was driving Scott's truck and
the truck passes trying to zoom down that road when
the cops are going up. He sees the cops and
almost immediately drives up undoing bankment and flips the truck over,
and the police officer that went up to check him,

(51:12):
he was inside the upside down truck and he said,
they're the coldest eyes I've ever seen. And so they
get him out, they arrest him. Randal Lee Smith tells
the police that he had to shoot Scott and Shawn
in self defense. Yeah, that that's why that happened. Four
days after he's arrested, he dies of natural causes in jail.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
What natural causes.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Being an old murderer, having a terrible life and rotting
from the inside spiritually. Oh my god, these are not confirmed.
This is not the coroner's report, please remember. But okay,
So here's the part that's mind blowing to me. So
Sean who has been shot in the head and the

(51:56):
fucking chest. The bullet that went into his chest, he says,
there was so much muscle mass on his chest it
just pushed the bullet over so it didn't puncture anything critical.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
That's the sexiest thing I've ever heard in my life.
It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
This guy has that kind He does have this like
I want to hear him tell twenty more stories. He
has that like real, like good the good, good old
boy yale to him. But you know the bullet that
went into his head, that one shot so close that
he had.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Gunpowder burns on his cheek.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
It just went in and went into his natorl little
passages and kind of ricocheted around a little bit, like
just clonked around and just clunked around and didn't come
back out or I mean, I don't know. I guess
they went in and took it out, but like it
didn't give him any brain damage or any It just
fucked up that one side of his face.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Now I'm just picturing him using a netty pot and
a fucking bullet coming out of his nostril.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
He just he can't get it out of there. He
keeps rinsing his mouth. You're like, what, but I mean
that is he was basically in like recovery in the
recovery room at four am that morning.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Jesus for being shot in the head and chest.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's why also why I love I survived because these
people are like, so then I got shot in the head,
and you're like you the person talking.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I love this.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
It's very like it's very X men like, how did
you do this? Are you special?

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Are you different from us? Okay?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
So then the next morning, Scot's out of surgery so
he can take his finger out of his neck, like, sew.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
That hole up.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, he actually has scars, so it looked like there
was entrance, Like his neck was pretty pretty ripped up.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
They're shot fucking multiple times close range. It's so crazy.
And one of his family members shows up at the
hospital and holds up a newspaper that says the at
killer strikes again. So immediately they they know that rand
Randall Lee Smith, who is the man that killed these
two people in nineteen eighty one. It's the fucking same

(54:03):
guy with the same kind of gun or the same
gun in the one mile away from where he did it.
He did it again, Jesus, except.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
One would have thought, maybe one would have thought he
would have been fine after fifteen years of prison and
they could have let him go and he'd never do
it again, right, But no, he tricked everyone.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
It turns out that this is one of those times
where that isn't what happened.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, basically, so did he kill anyone else?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Do we know? Like that?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Well, there's only they said. I read a thing that
said there's only eight reported murders, like known murders on
the Appalachian Trail. Huh, so that's six additional ones. I'm
not sure what they're referencing, but there's all kinds of
missing people that when they went for a walk up

(54:49):
in these mountains or whatever, that they are not accounted for. So, oh,
it's so creepy when Randal Lee, this is kind of
the creepy reveal in his possession when he was arrested,
the police found six pairs of eyeglasses.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Uh oh, bloody clothes.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Women's underwear, twenty knives, a hatchet, satanic and wickan literature.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
What's necessarily a bad thing? Yeah, Well, with the rest
of the stuff and the fact that he's a murderer.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
It doesn't bode with It doesn't bode walk, It does
not bode so anyway that the idea that in just
six weeks these are this is the amount of like
trophy style stuff that he has in his possession, is horrifying,
which means there's probably a bunch of cold cases or
missing people that might be able to get matched with that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I wonder whose dog it was because maybe he stole
the dog too.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Oh who the dog? Do I know what happened to
the dog? The dog?

Speaker 2 (55:48):
What if the Scott and Sean brought the dog home
and kept to you.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I'm telling you, if you're an I survived producer and
you didn't fold that shit right in, then it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Those people know what they're doing. I know, but here,
let's let's just say this. The dog ran off in fear,
but then just ate try out for the rest of
his life. His coke got real shiny.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
He become friends with a bear and a raccoon.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
He fell in with a group of raccoons and bears, raccoon,
raccoons and bears.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
How about our prescient visionary abilities where yesterday that big
drama that was happening was Did you see the baby
raccoon that scaled the twenty three story building?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
I did, but I couldn't look at it till the end.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah it was. I saw that he made it, But
I tweeted something like, well, I just can't read this
because I'm so scared for him.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I missed the entire thing. Oh good, I wasn't he was.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Busy or learned it. He made it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Did you see the photos of him on the fucking
fell on the.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Side when he was all stretching out, Yes, he's ski
I would I mean, I would hate to climb a
twenty three story building.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
That's what you have to No.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I love it also that they to lure him to
the roof.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
They put cat food up there.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, everybody wants some cat food. Scott and Sean say
they still go fishing at Dismal Creek. They've done it
all their lives.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
It's the safest place for them now exactly, and they're
probably they probably I would if I was either of them,
be like, yeah, I'm kind of invincible.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I've been shot in the motherfucking head, sho me and
handled it. And this is the Sean at the very end,
in that good old boy way goes other than a
few scars, we're fine everyone else at the end.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Of I survived, just like I survived because.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
My family and God was watching me personally, and he's
just like, yeah, we're fine with me. It's almost like
we don't want to talk about it, where it's like
it's too late. You're on a TV show, you have to.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Talk about it.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Wow, that is that triple crossover.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Isn't that amazing that it's like the I survived I
wanted to do Kate's suggestion, all wrapped up in this
beautiful yes storytelling bo.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Now you go.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
It was Italian kiss? Was it Italian kiss?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Level? It was?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It was this beautiful Italian kiss.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I love it. I love it. Okay, all right, Karen,
this is this is the Glamour Girls Layer, and this
is the story of you know, when you see like
those lists that are like five photos of murder victims
right before the last photo's ever taken of murder victims,

(58:21):
I hate those. And it's the it's the like black
and white older photo of a woman, a beautiful woman
tied up and she's like posing, you know, scared and
tied up. You've seen Is she posing or is it real? Well,
that's the thing is you can't tell, Okay, but you
know it's like so it's from the fifties, sixties, Yeah, fifties,

(58:42):
You've seen the photo. It's like, this is this is
the story of that. Okay, awesome, it's there's a lot
of those. I've seen that photo a lot, and so
I'm finally doing the story. Here we go. Okay, on
August first, nineteen fifty six. A beautiful nineteen year old
blonde woman named Judy Ann Dull was going through this crazy,
hardcore custody battle in nineteen fifty eight, which has got

(59:04):
to suck even more. Did women have rights then? I
don't know she's going through we have? Did men have
rights over their kids? Like that's even you know? Yeah,
where did they even want them? Right? So, she's going
through a battle their ex husband over their fourteen month
old daughter. She needs to make money to hire this
lawyer to fight the battle, and so she would take

(59:25):
modeling jobs a lot. So a man named Johnny Glynn
called and he offered her fifty dollars, which is a
lot then to pose for the cover of a pulp novel.
And she was like, fuck yeah, I need this money totally.
So back then, though modeling and modeling agencies weren't, it
wasn't what it is today. All over downtown LA, these

(59:49):
little businesses were cropping up, and they were small modeling
studios that they had their own female models inside and
they would pose for a price, and they would do
it either close or nude. So these like dudes who
would claim to be modeling photographers could come in pay
twenty dollars to do a photo session with a naked
model and leave with nudes, you know, nude photos, but

(01:00:13):
for more money. They would be given to girls a
model's phone number and he would call. They would make
arrangements to meet either at his studio, which is like
if you had one, or at her house a lot
of the time. So essentially this is a little bit
of there's a bit of sex work. Maybe that could
be involved. It doesn't sound like it. Oh okay, from

(01:00:33):
what I can tell, that wasn't. That wasn't what was
going on. I mean just pervs, just pervs wanting naked
photos of women, and they couldn't get it in other places,
you know what I mean. It's like hard to get
something like that, but they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Drive out to the forest and find an old mag
that someone through.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Right. Well, It's also like there were legit ones who
if you there were a lot of pin up magazine stuff,
and like there were true crime magazines that would have
these photos so you could take them and send them
in and maybe you'd make some money with the photos.
So maybe some of them were trying to be legit
in this story, there's no a fairy, like, there's no
sex work going on or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
It's all just purely modeling, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
And also like maybe that like a lady and her
brown panties went way further back then, absolutely than these
days where it's like, oh yeah, that's what's on every
street corner.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I'll think of Betty Page, like she's the one who
got famous from it. She you know, took her clothes
off and did these cheesecake photos tied up. So I
think this was just on a smaller scale, and hers
was like it looked like it was her idea. That
was the kind of big revolution about Betty Pages. Betty
Page was having a great fucking time and it wasn't
like someone made me do this. Yeah. Yeah, So the

(01:01:46):
woman got paid the photos and the photographers got their
dirty photos. So that's and everyone is happy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Right, So that's how Hollywood was built.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
When the photographer that had called Judy came to pick
her up, he met Judy's roommate Betty, and Betty thought
it was strange that he said he wanted to pick
up to pick her up, to pick up Judy and
take her to do some sorry the sledge he was
going to do pinut picks, but then he told her
to get a street outfit, like a normal clothes So

(01:02:19):
Betty thought that was weird. But this guy offered her
his phone number of his his portrait studio, so she
was like, okay, this is fine. Yeah, so Judy left
with her with him. Wow. So Betty starts to worry
when Judy didn't come home from the photo session when
she said she would, so she calls the phone number
that the guy Johnny had left with her. But the

(01:02:41):
number isn't for a photo studio, it's for a machine shop,
and no one there had heard a guy named Johnny Glynn,
So Betty calls the cops. An APB is put out
for Johnny, and Betty describes him as a small, bespectacled man,
and the search for her goes on. What they couldn't
know yet was that Judy had already become the first

(01:03:02):
victim of Harvey Murray Glatman aka the Glamour Girls Slayer.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I know that name, okay, yes, you've.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Seen photos of him. He looks like a hipster, like
a like a Brooklyn hipster trying to look like a
Brooklyn hipster, like squirrely, big ears stick out the side
of his head, you know, hipsters big ears. He's just
like gross.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I think there was an episode of a crime to
remember about this, Oh, I bet, because I just got
a really specific picture of Harvey Glatman in my head
where I'm like, that's an actor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, Okay, So Harvey Murray Glatman was born on December tenth,
nineteen twenty seven, in the Bronx and he was raised
in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Those are two different, very different low cows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It must have been a real adjustment absolutely growing up
in the thirties and forties. Harvey's parents being and notice
that their kid had anti social behaviors and sato masochistics
sexual tendencies from an early age. That's gotta be fun. Yeah,
one time his parents found him. Okay, picture this picture.
You have a four year old kid, okay, and you

(01:04:09):
walk in on him and he has a string tied
around his penis, and the loose end of the string
is shut in a drawer and he's leaning backwards so
that the string pulls his penis taught, and your kid's
four and you just walked in on him doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And you're like, who taught you this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yes, Harvey, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Harvey?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Honey, Harvey Honey, what the fuck hunt? Do you want
some tang?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Jesus Christ, it's insanely disturbing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Slightly less disturbing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Was when I was like five and my dad walked
into mine in my sister's room, and I was playing
Our great aunts had given us a stack of forty
five so that we used to listen to all the time.
It was this weird music from the sixties and seventies, amazing,
and I was standing in the room lip syncing to
the Peggy Lee song Is That All There Is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I'm like, have you heard that fucking song?

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Creepiest song in the world, the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Creepiest song in the world. And I'm a five year
old stand they're going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Is that all there is to a fire? Is that? Oh?
There is? I would be like, let's burn the house down, seriously,
Like I would run screaming yeah, okay. So when he's
no Brag, No Brag. By the way, I knew the
words to that song when I was You're a hipster
from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
My ears are sticking all the way out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
So when he's twelve years old, grows up. From four
years old. His parents noticed that he had a red
swollen neck and they're like, what'd you do? And he's like, well,
I was in the bathtub. I placed a rope around
my neck and I ran it through the tub drain
and then I pulled the tight against his neck, against
his neck at shooting some kind of sexual pleasure from

(01:05:50):
this act. He said later, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
That he's doing the choke yourself out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, and then he aged twelve, he would also hang
himself in the attic and tell your achieved orgasm, hanging
selfwhere in the attic? In the attic in the attic?
And you know, I don't know which one it is
now it's see it's addict. Did I say addict? You did? Fuck?
I love it. It's the weirdest.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I don't know how that happened. It's missing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
I don't. Yeah, this is like the this podcast in
the past two years is the most I've ever said
that word. I've said that maybe twice in my life
before this. So why like I didn't have one from Irvine.
We don't have those. That's all right, they don't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Oh, okay, how do we pronounce basement? We don't have
that either.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
This podcast is all about, like I've never known what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
An abject failure I am about facts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
I thought I was pretty together and it simply isn't
true that it just gets proven week after weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
And opinions and just attitude, attitude about life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Anyways, let's talk about murder.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Let's talk about a twelve year old child hanging himself
in the attic for sexual gratification.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Yes, his mom is like, we're going to the doctor
takes him to a position, and the doctor was like,
of course, he'll grow out of it, which is probably
true in a lot of cases, right, like the kids
grow out of it or they don't, or they find
you know, they do it and they don't murder people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I just feel like the difference is he was like
hanging himself. Yeah, Like I think if somebody was masturbating
a ton, they'd just be like, look, it's just yeah,
you know, a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Fa hanging card is what you're bothered by. It's pretty intense.
Nowadays that would be problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, and back of days as well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Harvey would later say that quote, I guess I was
just kind of fascinated by rope.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
So it was the rope I loved him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
In school, Harvey did well academically but was painfully shy
when other kids, especially girls, which is like who's not
And he was taunted with the nicknames weasel and chipmunk
due to his look. So you can imagine what he
looked like. Yeah, as I just made fun of him earlier,
he committed his first sex offenses, well, he was a teenager,
and he would when he would break into women's apartments,

(01:08:08):
tied them up, and sexually assault them as a teenager. Shit.
He would also force his victims to pose for photographs
so he could keep them as mementos. And the look
of this kid is so it doesn't make sense with
what his offenses are because even as a high school student,
he must have been even skinnier. He's this scrawny little
NERD's and I know that, Like so you wouldn't have

(01:08:29):
expected this, right exactly based on just the way he looked,
this strength.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
The bravery kind of boldness. Yeah, but I was also
thinking of, like can you cast him like I know who?
Because you know who I'm thinking of and I can't
remember his now, saying that guy Jay that's in like
this is the end, and what's his fucking name.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Thank you? Wow, you know who that guy is? No,
he's very lanky, and he's like long and skinny. Can
you show her a picture of him? Because I couldn't
have Harvey Glatman because I couldn't. I couldn't cast him.
Let's get him cast, so I need you to cast him.
Please cast Glatt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Let's cast glat Oh wow, okay, well this is what
does he look like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
We're in a Bouchemi area?

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
But then also this picture, this is I'm gonna he
looks a little bit like Andrew Garfield's like maybe less
attractive older brother. In this picture, I'm looking at right,
Andrew Garfield, the guy that played like Spider Man, and
he was in that Army movie about how he wouldn't
shoot anybody and he still went to World War Two, which.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Is kind of amazing and a true story.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
He also looks like Fisher Stevens, which if you're from
the eighties like me, he was a big he was.
I think he was married to Michelle Pfeifer. He's a
character actor.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
I think the Steve Buscemi type is a young Steve
Buscemi because he was only thirty when those pictures were taken, so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
And he also looks a little bit like the actor.
Oh what the fuck is his last name?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Go to Instagram or instagram My Favorite Murder or this post.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
We're gonna put fifteen actors and then we'll all vote
on who is the most. I also want to get
Scoot McNairy into this because he's on Halt and Catch
Fire and he's in one of the Oh yeah, he's
in some cool independent movies. He's a really good actor
and no bragg And I'm sorry I'm super delaying this,
but uh, me and Bridger went to dinner the other

(01:10:23):
night and it was a little bit crowded around the
host to stand when we walked in, and we didn't
have a reservation, so I immediately got tense. And then
I looked over and the guy that was waiting for
the hostess to seat him was staring at her so intently.
I thought he was like being mean to her, So
then I started staring at him really intently, and then
he turned and looked at me, and it was Scoot
McNary and then I was just staring weirdly at Scoot mcary,

(01:10:45):
and then he smiled at me, and then I was like,
what are you doing? Move your eyes away from his face?
And I couldn't because he's really good looking. Okay, thank you, no,
thank you for letting me wait. Where'd you go to dinner?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Adderall town?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Did you have an adderall over? Medium for dinner?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Cup of coffee?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Anyway, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I was like, can I stop you for the ninetieth
time and tell you something that in no way will
help your story?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I don't care. Okay, looks that's what this podcast was
going to be called. Originally, listen, look and listen. In school,
he did well already told you that. Then he would
take photos of them. When Harvey was eighteen and still
in high school, he was arrested after he tied up
one of his classmates at gunpoint and sexually assaulted her.
So instead of graduating high school, he went to fucking
jail in Denver, but he continued to rob and sectually

(01:11:38):
assault women for years, often being arrested in shriving short
stints in prison. Of course, he was seen as an
impulsive offender, fueled by lust and a rage for the
women he assaulted. While he was on bail awaiting trial,
he kidnapped him, molested another woman before releasing her, and
that got him eight months Yes in prison, kind of

(01:11:58):
a please sit down and think about this for a
little while. Yeah, let's give you three squares. You'll fill
out a little bit so you're strength. You can work
out so you're stronger.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Next time you go out, you'll get some bad ideas
from the people around you, exactly, and then get out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Bay after Harvey decided to After that he is like,
fuck this shit, I'm going to New York and goes
with his mom to New York. In nineteen forty six,
salts Selts on women grows bolder. It's one of those
obvious escalation stories and more violent in New York. He's
eventually arrested for a series of muggings and sentenced to
from five to ten years in sing sing whoa, I know.

(01:12:33):
Prison psychiatrists diagnose him as a psychopath. Yeah, but he
was a model prisoner, and so in nineteen fifty six
they're like, get out of here, you nut, you psychopath,
Get out, get out of here. In nineteen fifty seven,
he moves to Los Angeles. Hey, you know what, that's
what all the psychopaths do. Yeah, we're all here. We've
got so many of us, it's fun. He gets a

(01:12:57):
job as a television repair man to support himself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Positive you're going to say, like a television producer. Yeah,
that's right on the mind.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
And now he's our agent for them, and okay, but
he also starts, uh, back up his fucking love of
photography and he starts trolling modeling agencies posing as a
professional photographer. This has this is like al Kala, Rodney
al Khala before Rodney Alcala was Rodney Alcala.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Yeah, that's right, and he's not run aw I'll calla
like when you see that clip of him on the
dating game, Dating Game, she's so disturbing because he looks
like he looks like the creepiest.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Troll of all the seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, but he did have kind of fine features or
like Patrician.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Kind of would say, like, he's not a bad looking person.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yeah, and he has you can tell he probably had
like a swarthy kind of a game going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I remember that chick met him backstage and she was like,
I'm not going out with him because she thought it
was psycho. So clearly he couldn't fucking do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Yeah, but I guess comparatively, at least he would have
like the first five minutes of the game going, whereas glatman, No,
you're not. You're looking at that and you're like, what's
this teenager doing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Right, yeah, the day. So we go back now to
his first murder victim, Judy Ann Dahl.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
The day he picks her up. He had obtained her
number through a modeling agency, of course, and he brings
her back to his apartment, which he says is his
photo studio, and they're going to do a pin up
shoot and he ties her up and gag gags her,
which she goes along with because he says that's part
of it. So he has that fucking ploy. And then

(01:14:38):
so there's some photos of her. I've always looked at
those photos and I do the thing where I look
deep in the person's eye to be like, did you
know anything? You know? I try to study it. And
in the first photos that she's like that, tied up,
fully clothed in her like you know, normal clothing, and
it doesn't look like she realizes I don't think anything
had happened yet, that he had attacked her. But then

(01:15:01):
after taking those photos, he holds her at gunpoint, and
then he repeatedly rapes her and takes photos of her
and makes her pose the whole time. And this was
the first time. So it said that this is the
first time his assault had escalated to rape. And I
read in a couple places that that's where he lost virginity,
but only in a couple places, So I don't know

(01:15:24):
if that's true. Okay, but and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, how could you know that unless he said it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
He blabbed later, Oh, so it's possible he said that, whoa, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Weird, isn't that weird?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Of all that sexual stuff going on since he was
four years old? Yeah, and this is when he loses
his virginity. Yeah, that's intense.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
And then what kind of hatred must you have if
he like has to think? So this is he's a
fucking a horrible person.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
It's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
There's photos of her Judy during the whole ordeal, both
before and after she comes to the realization that he's
this monster. After the rape and assault, Harvey drives Judy
out to a secluded location in the Mohave Desert, which
is outside of Los Angeles, not good, where he strangles
her to death with a piece of rope and buries
her out in the desert.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
He then takes the rope that he.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Had used to bind her and strangle her with him,
and he uses it later. Judy's skeletal remains are discovered
later in December, but she wouldn't be identified until months later.
Seven months after he kills Judy, he finds his next victim.
He actually met Shirley Anne Bridgeford, a twenty four year

(01:16:35):
old divorcee and mother of too, through a lonely Hearts
ad again using a fake name. So it's one of
those like it's fucking Craigslist, Like do you want to
meet up and go on a day be where Craigslist existed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, and then it had that also the innocence of
like late fifties, early sixties or whatever, where it's like
you write a letter and then in your mind, yeah,
you know some man who also has a lonely heart.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, even the name it lonely heard. It's like we're
sad and alone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
And innocent, right, scent and sweet almost where it's just like, oh,
here come the pervs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Harvey picks up Shirley under the pretense of taking her
to a dance, but once they're in the car. He's like, Hey,
can we not go dancing and instead can we take
a long drive in the country and we will get
dinner along the way. And she's just like okay. So
they drove, so I know the answers no, no, And
they end up in the foothills of the Valacido Mountains

(01:17:31):
near Anne'sas State Park. Don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
And you are a lifelong Southern California nerve.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Yeah, and again I guess they changed the name. Yes,
they didn't. It's now came over. Yeah, it's now called
what you know, the San Gabriel Mountains. Yes, actually I think, yeah, Okay.
There at gunpoint, he forces her to undress, he ties
her up and photographs her. So I think this is
one of there's a couple photos of a woman on
a picnic blanket in her clothes, again, tied up, And

(01:18:00):
I think that in these photos you can tell that
she knows, like in her eyes you can see this
like worry across her forehead. She's gagged and bound and
it's really horrifying and awful.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I mean, I just would like to as the person
who doesn't look at these pictures, I would just like
to say. Sometimes when you look at those pictures, they
do not leave your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Uh huh. That's why I don't sleep at night, I know.
But I mean, like you're telling me this, like, oh really,
because I just forget about them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I just don't don't look too many of those. It's
so unsetting. It's so upsetting. I know, it's so late.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I look at all of those and I can't stop,
I know, and then I can't sleep and I have anxiety.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, and I love it, okay a weird way. Yeah,
well you know you know exactly what's going to happen. Yeah,
it's a it's a controlled bad feeling experience.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Yeah, and I feel like it makes me understand the
crime a little more. Like you know that that photo
there's nothing going on in it. You would think it's
just a normal, like a bound pin up photo from
the fifties, right, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Well, and it's that thing of like looking at looking
for the difference, Yeah, the difference of when a person
is like, Okay, here's your dumb thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, oh I'm scared. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Oh, and then the difference of that of holy fuck, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Mean she just has this like across her forehead, this
worry yea across her forehead. That is horrifying. Yeah, da
da da da dah Okay. Then he takes her to
the same desert where he had taken Judy and strangles
her with the same rope. He uses the same rope
and takes it home with him, and he leaves her

(01:19:34):
body unburied in the desert. So Harvey found his next victim,
Ruth Mercado, who's twenty four, again through the modeling agency,
and when he arrives at her place for a planned
photo shoot, she's like, you know what, I have a headache.
Get out of here. This isn't gonna happen. Oh good, no,
and he leaves. But he returns to her house a
couple hours later and breaks in and again repeatedly rapes

(01:19:59):
her a throughout the night. It's possible that he even
made her sit next to him and watch his favorite
sitcom with her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Oh man, like, he's just psychopath.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
A psychopath. In the morning, he forces her to walk
to his car and then he drives her to the
desert where he photographs her tied up, forcing her to pose,
and then he kills her again in the same manner
with the same fucking rogue wow, I know it's horrible.
Harvey later stated she was the one I really liked,

(01:20:28):
so I told her we were going out to a
deserted spot where we wouldn't be bothered while I took
more pictures. He later said, we drove out to the
Escondida district and spent most of the day out in
the desert. I took a lot more pictures and tried
and tried to figure out how to keep from killing her,
but I couldn't come up with an answer. Yeah, because
you're a fucking cigar. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
And also I hate when I hate hearing from the
killers because like him going like, she's the one I
like it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, he gives a fuck. Yeah, you fucking no, one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I don't care which one you lay. It doesn't he yet,
that's not your preferences are not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
In righting like doesn't make her a better person because
you somehow didn't want to kill her.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
You liking her or not liking her, she still went
through hell yeah because of you being a psychopath totally.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
So she's reported missing on July twenty seventh, nineteen fifty eight.
I heard Landlords four days after she'd left for a
photo shoot with an unknown man. So his next So
his next potential victim is twenty eight year old Lorraine Vigel.
Vigel had just registered with the modeling agency when she
was contacted by Harvey for her first photo shoot. Okay, So,

(01:21:41):
after the appointment was scheduled for them to meet up,
Lorraine got a call from the owner of the modeling agency,
who was a woman, and she was like, look, this
dude just came in here. He needs a model. I
gave him your number, but I just want to let
you know he's be careful with this loser. She says, quote,
be careful with this loser. She got a fucking bad
vibe from him. Yes, she said, he's not a professional

(01:22:03):
and is rather creepy, you know what I mean. Yeah,
So she warns her, Yes, that's all you gotta do, Yeah,
just tell it, call a gallup and just be like.
I don't get a great feeling just so you know. Yeah,
But she needs the money, and so she decides, you
know what, I can deal with this right creepy guy.
So on October twenty seventh, nineteen fifty eight, Lorraine is

(01:22:23):
picked up by Harvey and isn't worried at all until
he starts driving in the opposite direction of where they
were supposed to be going. He gets on the fucking
Santa Anna Freeway and starts going south towards Orange County.
Ooh uh huh, there's no photo shoots need to happen
in Orange County.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Nothing good happens down there, clearly Disneyland.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
And even so, he starts driving crazy and erratic, and
she's like, where are we going? This isn't the right direction.
Slow down, and she says that he wouldn't look at
her or even answer her questions. So after they drove
for a while, Lorrain wouldn't stop berating him, and he
suddenly pulls over to the side of the freeway off
ramp and he pulls a gun on her and then

(01:23:05):
tries to tie her up, but Lorraine is like, fuck no.
She grabs the gun by the muzzle and starts to
fucking wrestle with him. He tries to convince her that
if she let go of the gun, uh, he wouldn't
kill her, but she was like, fuck you bullshit, this isn't.
You're an idiot. They fight over the gun. The gun
goes off and it passes through Lorraine's skirt grazing her thigh.

(01:23:30):
Whoa yeah, but she's still fucking struggling. And at that
point she fucking goes down and bites his hand and
he lets go of the gun. She fucking tumbles out
of the car. He's like grabbing at her sweater, trying
to get her. She holds the gun on him until
the cops show up. Yes, it's fucking right. It's like
a citizen's arrestingly. Oh yeah, so higher A patrolman, Tom

(01:23:50):
Mulligan later testified that he had quote he had a
lunatic stare.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I'll never forget that wild look he had in his eyes. Wow,
police arrested him. Arrests hard.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Can I just say how beautiful did Tom Mulligan look
when he pulled up and is standing there with this
guy at gunpoint?

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Yeah, she's just like thank fucking yeah, God, there's some
bad news. But well, here's the thing. I was gonna
say that instead of being celebrated for her courage and this,
and he gets taken in and he admits to these
three murders. Lorraine is dismissed from her job as a
result of the notoriety, and reports circulated that she'd known

(01:24:31):
that Harvey was an ex con when she accepted the
modeling job. Oh so, so they fucking victim blamed the
ship out of the fucking hero of our story. Sure
they did, of course they did. Let's give Lorraine Vigels
some fucking props. V I G L VI I G
I l oh Michael or vigil vigil. She's a vigilante vigil.

(01:24:53):
Oh my god, VI I G I L vigil. I
mean I feel like acker.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
I mean, who knows. I think you really never know
the correct pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
It's wrong no matter what, like she Yeah, that is
the good part.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I think we are evolving. That story is changing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yes, we're changing it. It's taken five hundred years. Okay.
So police arrests Harvey, and, after hours of interrogation in
he admits to the three previous murders. He eventually leads
to police to the toolbox in his apartment that contains
pictures of hundreds of women that he had assaulted, including
his three murder victims ol of in. All of so,

(01:25:32):
after he had murdered the three women, he had tied
them up and put them in various poses and taken
photos of them. Oh their dead body. Yeah. So the
police were even like, you didn't look at those did you?
There aren't any you can't find them? No, no, no, no
I didn't, but I would have. I just feel I
feel a little obligated. I've talked about this before, where
it's like, if I'm going to talk about these women

(01:25:53):
who had went through this horrible shit, I feel like
I should fucking witness it. You know what is my feeling?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Grade the impact and keep your eye on the impact.
You're right, Thank you as my therapist. You I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
As the least qualified therapist on the planet. Listen to
every word I say.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
That's right. Ummm, no, you're right though, thank you for
saying that. Okay, photos all right. Finally, so he takes
the cops to the sites and they find the bodies,
and he tells investigators that he okay. So he becomes
known in the in media as the Lonely Hearts Killer

(01:26:33):
and the Glamour Girl science Layer. When he's put on
trial for his crimes, he pleads guilty and repeatedly asks
to get the death penalty whoa, and even attempts to
stop the automatic appeal given after he does in fact
get the death penalty. Wow. She's like kill me, I know,
which makes me wonder, like psychologically what was going on

(01:26:54):
in his head.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yeah, because it's all there's a little bit of I mean,
he also admitted everything, brought them to all the bodies,
like gave everybody closure, kind of like shut the holes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
It's almost like down, I'm totally aware that the It's
almost like it was he wanted to kill that person
who murdered all those women too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
He wanted to kill that guy too. Yeah, you know,
yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
And da da da da da. He on September seventeenth, nineteen,
I just had a brain. I think it's called a stroke.
On December seventeen ninety six, Judge John A. He Wicker
Founds found Harvey Glatman, who's now only he's thirty one
at this point, Wow, finds him guilty in the murders

(01:27:39):
of Shirley Bridgeford and Ruth Mercado. He sentenced to death,
and on September eighteenth, nineteen fifty nine, he goes to
San Quentin's infamous Green Room. Did you know that was
what it was called? I didn't know that's what it
was called, where he's put to death by inhaling cyanide shit.
And later once this is coin, he's recognized as one

(01:28:00):
of the nation's first serial killers. Yeah, and like using
the same rope, is like the very like story book
serial and he's keeping a memento, which is the photographs.
Like that was his thing, to relive it over and
over again. They talk about it in the you know
what's the detective who? Yeah, they talk about in the
books and stuff that they write because he's yeah, he's

(01:28:21):
early perfect exactly. Yeah, So any of those books you read,
this guy's talked about. So it's possible that Harvey is
responsible for another murder. This one's a cold case. In April.
On April eighth, nineteen fifty four, two this is the
way before the first murder too, University of Colorado students
hiking their Boulder Falls found the body of a naked
and beaten young woman along the banks of the Boulder Creek.

(01:28:45):
She became known as Boulder Jane Doe until fifty five
years later, in fucking two thousand and nine, when this woman,
a twenty five year old woman named Michelle Fowler, who's
clearly a fucking murder you now, is like wants to
do some sleuthing on her what would have been her
great aunt's disappearance. She disappeared when she was a teenager.

(01:29:07):
She had done all this, like she didn't even live
in Boulder. She was just like doing all this web
sleuth and like put these things together and she her
send in some DNA and it turns out that Jane
Doe was her long loss missing great aunt Wow Dorothy
Gay Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Known as dot Wow oh Dottie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
And they exhumed the body, they did DNA testing. She
was eighteen years old when she was reported mixing missing
from Phoenix, Arizona. And a theory based on circumstantial evidence
is that Harvey Glatman, who was in Colorado at the time,
who there's some circumstantial stuff like but the car he
was driving leads to her being maybe one of his
first murder victims. Wow, But there's I haven't found any

(01:29:48):
information updating it. And that is the story of the
Glamour Girl slayer. That was great, Thank you God.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
That guy's I mean, Steve fucking shemy sabbat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Poor stevemi Oh yeah, I mean like he gets looped
into all this stuff anytime, and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
He's a listener, so he's probably really upset. Right now,
imagine Steve b Shelly Listeners podcast. Oh I would get
so nervous. I know me too, because you know why
Steve Buchemy is the shit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
He started as a fireman. What Yeah, he was a
fireman before he got started getting acting part.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Are you kidding me? Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
He was a Scisco.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
He was a New York City fireman and on nine
to eleven, the firehouse he used to work in was
one of the ones that lost a bunch of firefighters
and he did all this volunteer work and went down
and like went I mean, he's Steve as.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Shemy's the fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
It aside from being one of the best actors ever
in one of the best movies Fargo, like he also Borderwalk.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Empire, Oh so good, the best, so good. I love him,
love him. And on a Steve bus Shemy note, let's
do fucking hooray? Okay, great, Actually need a second.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Well, there's the standing fucking horay of Steve BUSHEMI obviously
if you haven't seen him in ghost World.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yeah, please, My fucking horay is the like enormous that
of Nacho cheese that you brought to my birthday party
last weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
I just want to thank you for it. It was
just the funniest fucking thing you brought.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Karen brought a crock pot, like a family sized crock
pot filled to the fucking brim of nacho cheese. We
plugged it in and it was and you and I
appreciate you holding court and you just like it was fun.
Thank you for doing that. And then late and then
we left it out for like two days, Vince and

(01:31:41):
I and I was like, well, we should leave it
in here and give it to Karen full. Yeah, but
then we ended up having it like it was so
and it was still so full that Vince and I
had to like had a team up to dump it out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
When I I didn't really think about this, but so
so I said to Georgia, you know, like tell me
what I can bring it, like in the forceful friend
way where you're like delegates instead of like just we're shopping.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
I'll get everything. I was like, no, come on, there's
got to be some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
And then she started throwing out dips and I was like, yeah, okay,
you know you want some lipt onion dip and you did,
and it's amaz.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, made a couple of those.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
But then I was going to make like homemade nacho
like keso basically, and I was looking up recipes and
I was doing this, that and the other thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
And when I went to go shop, I was worried
about if I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Put something together, what if I had this big vat
if something that tastes like shit. So I was really
concerned because I'd never tested out like my own caso recipe.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Yeah, especially when you have to make you have to
like triple the recipe because it's so big and stuff.
It's scary.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Yeah, And then I do what makes me a bad
cook is I kind of give up in the middle
often where I'm like this sucks, and then just whatever.
When I was shopping at Smart and Final, I looked
up in the like where I was in the like
Hispanic foods section, and I look up at the top
shelf and there is a can of nacho cheese sauce

(01:33:05):
that is as big as my head. And I was
just like, problem solved. I'm gonna have this thing done.
In twenty minutes. I got two cans of Rotel diced
spiced tomatoes, Oh my god, and I pulled down that
plastic cheese sauce that they serve. I kept saying it
they serve it at the roller skating rim and done.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Everyone loves at a party. It's so delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
It is it's like it's easy to eat. It seems
like it's made of plastic. It's very like you shouldn't
be doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
It was bright.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Orange and people. The fun part was and this is
what I always have to do because a I can't
be out in the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
So like it was a pool party.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Georgia's whole area was.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
It was like there's tons of young, beautiful people all
around the pool and I was like, what's that a
pool house with air conditioning?

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Goodbye?

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
And I noped out of the patio area and then
plugged in that cheese sauce on the counter and pretended
that I needed to stand next to it for the
for the next three hours. But then we had a
great time because someone started playing the drinking game Asshole,
which is like a card game that Joe DeRosa taught us.

(01:34:11):
We start playing it and at some point about an
hour in, fucking Kara Klank walks in and she's a
comic friend of ours. She is one of my favorite
people and one of the funniest fucking people.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
She's a good person of parties. She's perfection.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
She starts like telling everybody what the actual rules are.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
She's like you like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Grabbing cards out of people's hands and be like you
need to go over there, like managing shit, but also hilarious.
She has that camp vibe too, where she's like, yes,
it's like good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Time camp friend. Yes, managed good times.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
So it then it kicked it up to like the
next higher level of like then it got real and
it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
And well, thank you for making that and for supporting
me on my birthday. Happy birthday parties are scary, and
thank you for doing that. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I love that you were like, so you were like
it starts at two and I don't know you were.
It was like, you're really tiptoeing and I'm like, oh dude,
I'm being there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
I'm gonna be there at one thirty. That's the whole idea.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
The best is having early friends. You have to have
a really friend so important in one's life, and also
half friends that yeah, half friends will come and stake
out the bench that you want with you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Yeah, we'll be there, and like okay, well yeah, we'll
go to that restaurant, we'll eat lunch there, and then
we'll just take over the back end. It's like people
that are going to like basically like three to five
man team.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Your Lizzie and I did it for your birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Exactly, so we have to do you know when Lizzie's
birthday is sometime?

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
I think it's in November. Okay, good, because now we
have to do it for her.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
All right, what's your fucking ray.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
But also when I pulled up, I pulled that croc
pot out and I was like, if you can take this,
I will park my car and then bring the rest
of the bags myself. Yeah, And she was like okay,
And then I handed her a ninety pound crock pot
filled with like the most typical over nacho cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
It was like a tidal wave of cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
It was good. It was great. We should have parted
in the pool and go on swimming.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
It was the first day of like summertime feelings though,
and I was just like, I am going to be
miserable people.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
I don't have a pool, by the way, it's an
apartment building that has a pool in the fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
George's indoor pool dome with a slide and a life.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
That I own and it was a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
She owns and operates her own pool. YEA, mine is
just TV shows because I did watch some crime based
TV shows. But god damn, one of my faves Marcella
or on the show, they often call her Marcella, but
I won't say it that way. Season two of Marcella
is on Netflix. It is better, I believe, better than

(01:36:44):
season one. Wow, and way darker. My friend Mollie Davis
texted me and was like, she's I think. She texted
me right after you know how midnight puts things up.
I mean Netflix put things up at midnight, So she
text me like you better be watching us. It was
like one of those texts, I hope you're watching this
because it's crazy. And then I just binged it all
day long.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
And her sweater is the thing I always talked about
for season one is like she there's one scene where
she has a maroon sweater on that like broke my heart.
For some reason. It's like the best sweater I've ever seen.
The sweaters just come fast and loose in this season.
It's like they knew how good they were last time. Also,
she wears a lot of pants as floods, so she'll
have a big pair of like Oxford wingtips on uh

(01:37:26):
huh or one or the other or both, and then
and then like no socks and then her pants start
like it's the cutest look.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
And then I'm like, I love that look.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
And then it's like I always love the look of
a girl who's she's probably four foot eight. Oh yeah,
it's like little little wafy girls kind of dress like
old men and pull it off and it looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Yeah that's for them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah, good luck with that. I stay in the poolhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
And then the other one is there's there's a series
on Stars called Cebee Strike that's also British. That's great
and amazing and I'm on two episodes in but I
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Can I suggest the show too? I just remember there's
a show called Succession. I think it's on HBO. It's
on HBO.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Oh okay, because I looked for that on like Apple
TV Animal I couldn't find it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
It's it's HBO. I think you can get it on.
I don't know it's on HBO. But Colin Culkin Macaulay
Culkin's little brother. Oh yeah, Culin, I think his name, yes,
I think that doesn't sound right Colin Culkin. No, no
one would do that. There's a couple younger brothers. He
plays the real good actor.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Yeah, he plays the best douchebag. He slaps his sister
in the face. It's essentially it's so fucking good. It's
almost like a vpword, really really dark. So it's this
family that the patriarch is this fucking rich asshole's own company.
All his kids are trying to get control of the company.
Which one is it? Karen?

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
I Colin Culkin wasn't a Karen k so good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
He was the Scott Pilgrim's gay roommate in that movie,
and he was so excellent in that part.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Yeah, it's a succession. It's a fucking great show.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
I don't know. This girl who plays a sister is
fucking excellent too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Succession. I have to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
It's really fucking fun. You'll like it very It's like
rich people too, so it's like this how they live. Sorry,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I stood on your No you did not, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
I almost think we might need to pull our show recommendations.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
I would have fucking hooray. It's gonna make it harder.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Yeah, and just have them be like, just do Yeah,
we'll talk about it. I mean we're gonna do something,
be more spiritual. Yeah, thankful, Okay, we'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
But sometimes I'm just I'm just a straight up hermit,
and I haven't left the house, so I can only
be thankful for TV shows.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I'm thankful for Elvis sitting next to me right now
and the way he was looking at me when I
was telling my story just now. Did you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yeah, he was riveted.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
He was just looking at my face like, bitch, where's
my cookie? Bitch?

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
We are long past the line. Yeah, all right, thanks
for listening to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
You know, do stuff. Be good, be good. Thanks for
your support. We love you. We do stay sexy and
don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. One cookie?

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Well, have me finished cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Good Bye, good Bye,