137 - Gloogle

Karen and Georgia cover the murder of BBC reporter Jill Dando and the Andrews’ Family ‘Hauntings.’

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, welcome here. This is my favorite murder the podcast
where come on, I can't I don't want to do
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Where we talk about murder and true.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Crime and finish her sentences and that's it.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
There's no fucking pun there's no frills. Oh, you're gonna
stop doing puns? Absolutely not. Oh okay, I just mean
at this moment at the end.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh right, Oh, we're going to clear the opening, get
real professional about it.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
No place for puns.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's no place for half sentences that the other person finishes.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You know, quirky shit. This is not business. This is
a business podcast. This is supposed to be a crime podcast. Yeah,
but also comedy. Yeah, your sister told you to listen
to it. She's been telling you forever. You don't need
to in you never listen to her. And you don't
like puns. She knows that. So we're not gonna do
that in the beginning. No, they were catering all this
to you. Yeah, bitchy bitch Bischerman, actually Bitcherman. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I went to college with Ashley Bitcherman and it sounds
like she's not nice, but she's one of the nicest
girls on our dorm floor.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I feel so bad for her. Nay, like you know,
like you think she would have changed it at some point.
You know what she did, she tried to do that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We're like, it's Btuerman and it's like Ashley, it's not
Bitterman and everyone knows it. And even if it is,
it doesn't matter because we're gonna say Bitcherman.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We don't care that it's Austrian. Like it's Bitcherman.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
No one believes that you live in that castle. From
the poster, Ashley with two ease, it's Ashley Butchermont.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
The end is silent butcher may Bishamon. Listen, Ashley. This
is the part of the podcast. Look Bitcherman, Look Butcherman.
This is the part of the podcast that we started
just last week. We're gonna read you some of the
names of the subgroup from the Facebook page since we
shut down the main Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Everyone's looking for a place to belong. We get that,
we understand. Why not be very specific about it, That's right,
That's what everyone, it seems is according to the list
Stephen has printed up for us. Everyone's gotten real specific.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Or join a few and then find the friends in
common in those groups. And those are your new best friends.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yes, you start a then diagram group of the combination
of things, say, for example, of your choices.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
For example, say that you're in the Facebook group fear
and Murder in Las Vegas, the Las Vegas murdering knows nice,
that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Or how about ssdjps say stay sexy, don't join a
pyramid scheme?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh, that's fun and incredibly specific. I want to read
stories of people on pyramids, so it must be people
that did it.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And then they're warning everybody else like this is what
you need to keep care how it happened?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, super into pyramid schemes. Yeah, personally, how about and
then you're also to say you're really into HDTV. Yes
for me for example, and so you're also on my
favorite open concept kitchen love it? What about the nail dorenos?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
They just love nails, fingernails, like fingernails, fingers and faces,
but just the fingers. And also you love the TV
show thirty Rocks, so you're in the thirty rock arenos.
Sure it goes. How about who do I Have to
Kill to get a date? It's a singles murderino page.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's cute. What about my favorite sensory deprivation tank. Listen,
we're getting specific. Isn't that real? I swear to God
right there, that's amazing. Yes. Well then how about my
favorite vegans? Great? I mean, I'm going vegan next week?
Are you really scared of it? What's the plan? Which
is the idea one of those?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I don't know, I'm just trying to be healthy. Okay.
How about murderinos working in vetterary medicine in some capacity,
whether you're a tech receptionist, vet can't help whatever. That's
the whole name of it. So catchy, so catchy. How
about my favorite Ashley? Right, that's the thing, right and
the yeah, and you can't. I was like, so, Stephen,
is it just all girls named Ashley or people named Ashley?

(04:13):
Or what's the actually?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And he's like, I don't know. I have to join in.
I'm not named Ashley, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
We think it's just Ashley Ashley's Can I end it
by reading you this quick little note that we got
in our email. It's called swing Arenos. That's right, No,
that's wrong, Karen George Stephen pets after listening about the
Granny Swinger in your last minisode and the MFM subgroups
and Facebook in your most full recent Fule episode, No,

(04:40):
I love it, go ahead, that's great at please say
it's swing dancing. I thought I might as well let
you guys know that. Well, there isn't a public Facebook
group because swingers have their own websites to better protect privacy.
There is definitely a swing Areno subgroup of well swingers.
Swinging is big where I'm from Utah. Mormons get real bored. Wow.
Well it keeps and well, it's kept mostly hush hush.

(05:03):
When you do get into the community, you meet some
pretty interesting characters. Yeah. I bet not only are many
of Utah's politicians and lawyer swingers, but many many murderinos
are too. I'm not involved in the swinging community anymore,
but I have friends that are, and once they saw
a recent Instagram post of mine about loving your show.
I laughed my ass off when they told me about
a recent swing Areno meet up night. I didn't think

(05:25):
I need to explain what happens. I don't think I
know this. Let's just say it's not like paint night.
So even though it's definitely a little weird and a
little taboo, just thought you guys would like to know
how far your reach goes. Thank you, guys for everything
you do. Monday and Tuesday mornings. Nope, Monday and Thursday
mornings are my favorite days of the week now thanks
to your show. SSDGMA. I know, ju ya tell me anything.

(05:49):
Did you ever see that Swingers documentary.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think people get ideas in their head about like
I'm watching a movie, and therefore, when we talk about swingers,
it's going to be movie bodies and movie people. And truly,
like if you walk through Costco and everybody and the
detergent aisle started fucking, that's what.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It looks like. It's it's weird, and it might be
one good looking person in the detortment aisle.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
But then they're in them in seven around seven other
greased up bodies, And I think it takes away from
the from the allure and the attractiveness.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean sorry, I just look, no judgments, do whatever
you want. We talked about No Kink, Shame and Glady Blue.
But this documentary that I saw, I think it's it's
called American Something. And truly, these documentarians are so genius
because they just they really captured the minutia. So there's
like there's a table of castle roles that are no,

(06:46):
you bring a hot hand and they laid down that tart.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Stephen Steve Karen. Steven wants Karen to get the name right.
Is it? Is it American Swing? It might be. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's the lifestyle, Okay, it's the lifestyle from nineteen ninety
nine and ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, a banner year for swingers. I just remember watching
it on HBO's Real Sex Swingers.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
You're right, that's like when the Real Sex thing where
people started going, oh, other people are.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Into this too. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I just think it's like you, I the first thing
you go to is like a fifty shades kind of
like Christian Gray is waiting for me, and then the
world of taboo sex. But I think it's I don't know, well,
how would I know? Whatever I think it is, I
just based it on the documentary I saw. And then
it's just like it's like retirees in the OC in

(07:42):
a house.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
It's like Sam with nudist colonies where it's just like
no that you don't see lots of like pert titties.
You see like lots of alls. Yeah, it's like old
man people who are like, yeah, I don't give a fuck.
Yeah yeah, so God bless. Yeah that's a lot. So
what that's it?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I guess we have to start making shirts swing a
Renos no pert titties.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Welcome.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I shamed you into it. I brought you down to
my Catholic shame area.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Thank you. It's company here. What do you oh? I
wanted to say that in the Fan Cult this month,
our live show episode that we're doing exclusively for the
Fan Cult that we put up is from last year.
It's from Detroit. My one caring You did the Parrot Murder,
right guy? Yeah, and I did the Robison Family Cabin
Murders and that's up there. It was a great show. Yeah,

(08:37):
it was a really fun show. And yeah, so I
check that out.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, if you join the Fan Cult, there's all these perks,
and we're basically trying to figure out what are the
things that people have asked us for that they really want.
Because of course on social media we hear all the
time of like where's the show I went to? And
why are you always screwing me over? And it's like, well,
we just can't always post like live shows are like,
you know, we save those, we put them up when

(09:01):
we need to go on vacation or whatever, and so
we can't. We have so many live shows and we've
toured so much that we like try to piece them
out and then it's like, oh, if people really want
that and they want to pay a little extra and
get into this little fan cult, ye, then that's where
we're gonna start posting things.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's right. And we're also about to leave on our
fucking tour, a fall tour, so we'll be posting videos
from backstage. Yeah, every week, we're posting on boxing videos
of like amazing gifts that people have been giving us.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So yeah, we're gonna and there's much more stuff planned
for the fan Cult too, Like when we just did
our minisode that we did in conjunction with the movie Searching,
and then the Searching people gave us, Sony gave us
a bunch of free tickets to Searching for the fan
Cult members. So there's tons of perks and they're building

(09:47):
by the day by the minute. I guess I thought
I didn't have anything. What I realized is really I
just want to pitch you pyramid scheme style about joining
the fan call.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
The call was a pyramid GA. That would be great.
It's a food pyramid scheme mood. We're just getting everyone fat.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's all about wheat bread, just like the benefits of
wheat bread.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And I'm pitching my veganism food payramid scheme.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right, and I'm I'm pitching all pro gluten. I'm just
like guys, the new diet is to overstuff yourself with gluten.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's about inflammation, just targeted inflammation, the beauty of targeted inflammation.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Don't need fillers, you just need to eat glutes. That's right,
Swell it up. That's a quickie. Should we start?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I know, we usually have so many other things to
talk about because.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Usually we take like a We've been like taking a
week off in between, so there's so much going on.
I mean, I guess I could do a corrections corner
about my Stars Guard and Scars guard. You know, confusion
a couple weeks ago I had, but everyone knows that
by now. Oh, okay, I was wrong about that. Did
you know that you're young? Oh, I'm right there on
the Twitter all the time, all as it comes in.

(10:58):
I haven't been on Twitter and like like a few
weeks now, Oh, we miss you a lot. Thank you.
Oh god, that's yeah, we talked about it.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
As long as you miss me, I'm not coming back. Okay,
that's perfect once you forget me. Yeah, there's I mean,
it's pretty What are.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You going to say? Are you gonna be mean? What
are you gonna say? No, not to you.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I was about to say something about Twitter, but I
said pritter. Then I just started going like, is this
where it ends? Is this where is this the part
where my brain slides out of my ear and it's
all over? I was actually trying to think of I
was trying to think of something I've watched on TV,

(11:36):
like I'm excited because once again it's Sinner Night.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
No, it's over. Oh no, wait, that's sorry. I'm thinking
of a different show. Have you been binging lots of stuff?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I was thinking of, uh, what's the one with
Amy Adams? Oh a sharp ob Yeah that ended. Thank
you for letting me know that there's like there's something
in the end credits which I didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I will love to talk about the people who made
that decision, to talk to them about that decision, because
it's odd that they buried a key element of the
plot in the end credit.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Well, what I liked what I read when I read
abounch of shit about it. What someone theorized basically is
that the whole show is from like Amy Adams perspective,
her character's perspective, right, so they can't put this end
part that's from this from Amma's perspective. So they like
put it in there because it's suddenly like we're out
of Amy adams characters world. Okay, We're suddenly in this

(12:33):
crazy other world.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
That makes sense except for how many people that just
write the second the show's over.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Most people don't get through the first page of credits
and it's like off and you're onto the next thing.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I missed it. You told me about it. I was like,
holy shit, I forgot about that. And someone told me
again the next night about it. Was like, oh my god,
that's right, And then I watched it.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I wonder maybe that's what they were thinking, is the
excitement of word of mouth.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, yeah, so just know that, like, you know, thirty
seconds into the end credits, after the very last scene,
which is like my favorite scene of the whole show,
both of those girls. Those women's faces deserve fucking emmies. Yeah,
just so the look on their faces is so good.
Then there's just this like little you know.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
There's there's a key snippet so good, it's crucial, and
yet it's buried.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah, but that was a good show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I don't think we talked about it that much because
we watched it at different times.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, and I think it was good as a whole. Right, Well,
it's said Ben like an episode by episode, you know
what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I felt for me my friend Jason, who I've talked
about a lot on the show, but I've known him
since we worked at The Gap together in San Francisco
when we were twenty and he started it after me,
and he was in the putt. He was in the
first episode and he was just like, why is everyone
talking about the show? I don't know and whatever? And
I said I understand. I said, I understand. You get

(13:56):
through the pilot and you'll and you'll understand you don't
like it because you had alcoholics in your family.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And then he got through and he was like, oh
my god, that's exactly what it was.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
He was starting to get anxious because of all the
drinking and what it felt like there was a.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Girls and there's so much guilt going on.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
There's so much bad vibes and bad family shit and
drinking issues that if you were familiar with them at all,
you just go like, I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
And problems that are like buried by their alcoholism. Yep.
And actually I was saying to you last week or
like the other day that like I'd stopped drinking as much,
and it hit me that maybe it's because of that show.
Sure fucking vodka and a smart water bottle like every time,
podcarm daytime or Avion. Like the minute I could taste

(14:44):
it when she would swig it, yeah, and I could
just kept looking at her being like, oh my god,
it'd be so much less puffee stop it.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Well, And the thing of I felt like there was
a lack of a tiny, tiny lack of realism in
that if you drank all day around seven something really
fucked up. What happened where I kept waiting for like, Okay,
this is the part where she's going to hit a.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Kid on a bike.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Everyone's driving drunk, everyone's driving drunk, and everyone's talking all
the time drunk. Yeah, So it's like there should be
more fighting. There'd be like open hand face slaps, six stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like what lots more whispering, lots more whispering, so many more,
so many more secrets. But there are secrets, but like
the secrets would be told thing, there would be no
secrets in town. First of I love that there's a
long sleeve. I love it. Anyhow, i'd tell you something,
remember high school, I like spoiler alert. Oh shit, no

(15:36):
it's not spoiler, but it would be very Yeah. It
just made me be like, well, I'm clearly not as
good of an alcoholic as these people are, so I
should just stop drinking as much. So I stopped drinking
as much. So I would actually like to thank that
show for that good keep coming back. It really works.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
No, but I totally get it because because it is, uh,
it's a real mirror.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
The part that got me is she kept going to
the same store with the same guy buying where there
is a part of that. I remember doing that in
San Francisco. Would be the same guy and I'd be
like cigarettes, beer, cigarettes, beer, and I became very indignant
about it, where it's like I'm fucking doing it and
you can't keep me from doing it. It's like he
doesn't want you to stop doing it. He's making money
off of you. Yeah, but he's still looking at you
with pity in his eyes.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well when he like sometimes when you go to a
different store every day, like for three.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Times in a tiny town, oh yeah, not in a
fucking wherever they were, Missura, yeah, or wherever they were.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh man, it did make me happy to be from
fucking blessed all Orange County for the first time in
my life at all. Oh man. I was like, thank god,
I'm not from a wind gap wind Gap.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Also though, when that cop first shows up, I was
just like, dude, not oh, I was saying, the hottest
cop in America shows up to but he's from Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know, he's like out of stay cop.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
But still it's like, so they send this is their
ex from Kansas City who happens to be like Captain
hot Bod get out of here.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean he did. He was like, get me out
of here. He was like, I need to get out
of here. Oh she's crazy, Yeah I did. Spoiler alert,
Yeah it's so far past. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
But there was a couple great like them talking in
the bar was like, that's the upside of alcoholism, where
your god, damn, I miss just like clever and you're quick,
oh and you love yourself and you're just kind of
like onto this train.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Everything's kind of sexy, yeah and messy, well, slutty and sexy.
Half tit out. Stake out out front of the bar.
Get up on that fucking pool table, get on it.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
We're talking about Wait, no, I am into swinging now
that you know what, now that we've talked through this,
I am so into swinging in.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
A bar from from the table chandelier. With some locals,
That's not what they meant, Karen. It's like, oh, it's
not about swings. Oh, then I like it. It's not
about swinging from a shadowlayer. It's about love. It's about
wing true love, Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Patricia Clarkson is one of the greatest Amy Adams. First
of all, is one of the greatest actresses. She is
so gorgeous. She played a Disney princess realistically, like you
can't scratch her. And I think she's one of those
people that gets ignored because she's so good. I just
like to cite that. Patricia Clarkson is unbuffd believable.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So good in this that I hated her. I hated her.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I'll hate her forever because she was so good at this,
and I hated that kitchen anytime they went near that kitchen.
There's lots of things that's so realistic. Of walking by
a doorway and someone like, well, it looks like you're
a back home and they're like in the doorway.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Like fuck they call the way they hear like the
sound of the fucking screen door smacking clothes when you
came home in the morning. Kind of a thing. Oh,
I had one of those Okay, great show, good job everybody,
Great job everyone. So yeah, we did have stash we
thought we hadn't need to talk about, but look at us,
so I'm just talk about.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I also have been watching a show called Your Worst Nightmare,
which does tie into mine this week, but it's an
ID Channel show that's just like, you know, one of
the many they figured out all the different ways to
categories true crime, so it's like crazy women me and women,
black widows, whatever, there's all those, but this one is
your Worst Nightmare, and it's really perfect because it's that

(19:28):
it's basically that theme of what's the creepiest way a
true crime murder could happen.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, That's just what I need.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, really good to watch alone at night when the
wind's blowing.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I did that to myself one night, was like, doesn't
it blow here?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Does the wind blow here? There was probably not, but
there was. Maybe it was just the bad vibereide. Something
made one noise and then I went, what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
What am I doing? Evince was out of town over
the weekend, so I was like, well, this is gonna
get up, you know, like we're gonna have fun Georgia,
and yeah I did. I watched the new It with
the Scars Stars Guard. The Stars Guard or a Scars.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
One of them, I don't care the yes, the clown
is a Scars Guard, Stephen. He's the hot one from
Castle Rock, which is not related to Peter Scars.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Guard the one. It is Bill Scars Guard, right, Okay,
Castle Rock Okay. Scars Guard sounds like how I would
say Stars Guard when I'm shit faced, So I can't
help you.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Anytime you run into any of those men, you can
be like, hi, Scars Guard, and it'll be right as
long as you.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Do the drop voice and then their security will take
you away from them.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I like the idea that they travel on packs, no
matter if they're related or not, if it's a Stars
or Scars guard, they're together.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
They're in one black suv. It's weird. In their yearbook
they didn't go to high school together, but they're next
to each other in the year of they didn't even
go to high school in the same high school.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
No same year, nothing, different countries, doesn't matter, and.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
They're senior quotes to say this guy, I'm not a
car a Stars card. It's not me. Motherfuck. Oh okay,
I think I go first this week. Yes, I've got
the official nod from Stevens.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Stephen Silent is a mouse over there, highly professional, basically
a Scar's card, Stephen's Scard's garden around over there like
a clown and a rain gutter.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, So last week with boys in the Tracks, it
was so much fun with the conspiracy theory elements of
it that I love so much. So I put into
glogle goodle Glogle. What if I had like ninety nine
cents for a round Google called Glogle sponsored by Omer's Glue.
Glogle will help you look stuff up. We don't really
know that much. We're sorry your fingers are stuck on

(21:55):
the keyboard. Now stop eating that glue Georgia guys for
kindergarteners only glueg cll. Let's see here. Okay. So I
looked up like, what like more murders with conspiracy theories
in her and I got a fucking got hip to
this one that I've actually wanted to do, not because
of this, but like I then found out it had

(22:17):
these like conspiracy angles. So there's what I wanted to do.
At the end, we're going to get into conspiracy town beautiful.
But in the meantime, this is the murder of British
broadcaster and newsreader, beloved, beloved Jill Dando. Okay, all right,
never heard of it? O Hey, great, I hadn't heard

(22:37):
of it either till it was like some like late
night e you know, ten shocking famous people murders, right,
this is one of them. Okay, So let me tell
you about Jill, would you. Jill Dando was born on
November ninth, nineteen sixty one in West super Mar, Somerset.
That's a place. She was smart, well liked and is

(22:58):
even voted head girl at her sixth form college. Okay,
she's popular and sweet and lovely. Got it. Let me
give you an image of what she looked like as
an adult, just so you haven't like in your head
which she was like. She was like a cross between.
So she becomes a journalist. I'll tell you all about it,
but just do you have it in your head? She's
a cross between like Diane Sawyer and Lady Diana. Okay,

(23:19):
so she's this lovely, pretty, blonde British, smart, kind faced
news anchor. Got but anyways, let's go back. At seventeen,
she got her first job as a trainee reporter for
the local weekly newspaper, the Weston Mercury, where her father
and brother worked. So she'd always wanted to be a journalist.
She studied journalism at South glam Morgan Institute of Higher

(23:42):
Education in Cardiff. After five years as a print journalist,
she started to work with the BBC. She becomes a newsreader,
which is just what we call it newscaster for a
BBC Radio Devin. In nineteen eighty five she transfers to
BBC Southwest. She presented a regional news program with an
eighty end of it, and then in the early nineteen

(24:04):
eighty eight she moved from regional to national television in
London to present BBC's Breakfast News, so she becomes like
the morning anchor essentially got and so she's like, her
fucking star is rising, you know, and she's like in it.
With her new job. She moves to London and she
quickly becomes a household name in the BBC National News
pro you know. Operation sure. Her warmth and professionalism endeared

(24:27):
her two millions. She's best known for hit shows like Holiday,
where she fucking just goes on holidays. Smart dude, take
that job and give it to me, and also a
show called Antiques Inspector, which I'm like, also, I want
that job? How cool is that? This is before the
road show starts. I think you have to look through.
I think it's essentially antics roadshow, but like original, so

(24:51):
she's inspecting shit. Did you just make that up?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I swear I thought that was what the show was like.
And then in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Because you basically just said it's just antiques but she
inspects shit.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Well, it's like Anti told you that.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I could have gleaned on what oh oh, I didn't
even I thought she was like inspector Morris.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So now she's I get it, No, yeah, and then
in nineteen eighty five she's hired as So there's a
show called crime Watch that's been on since nineteen eighty four.
It's this huge show. I think it's kind of like
how we have the Current Affair. It's like the like
you know, nightly news of like current crime profiles and shit.
Dateline dateline a date line, yeah yeah, but like yes,

(25:37):
dateliney current a fairit type of thing. Okay. So when
it starts in nineteen eighty four, by nineteen eighty five,
when she gets hired for it, she's only the second
co presenter of the series, so like it's a big
fucking deal to get this job, got it? She It
reconstructs major unsolved crimes in order to get new leads
from the public to self to help solve them.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Almost like a fancier or like a more official unsolved mystery.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah yeah, but like a Newsy time gotta So she's
fucking household name now huge, And there's there is something
about her and you should just like watch a clip
online where her face her eyes are just so kind.
She has this beautiful, bright, open smile. She's kind of
self effacing, is that right? Self deprecating? Like, she just
seems like a really kind but very intelligent person, someone

(26:22):
that like, if you get stuck, let's say you get
stuck in an elevator with on an earth in an earthquake,
you'd be like, this chick's got this taken care of.
Like she just seems to embody this confidence, but it's
you know, kindness too, got it. She just seems like
a good person and everyone fucking says she is. So
nineteen ninety seven, she's awarded the BBC Personality of the Year. Okay,

(26:44):
so she's big time. Then in nineteen ninety seven, in December,
she's set up on a blind date by a mutual
friend with a dude named Alan Farthing. They fall in love.
He and I think this is how the friend knew
him is a guynecologist. Okay, that's awkward that your friends like,
you've got to meet my guy to collegist. True, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, but he seems like a nice guy that are
very free and liberal with their bodies.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, and you know what, there's some people that are gynecologists.
That's right, thank god. Otherwise all types of people make
up this you know, swingers, gynecologists. Yes, that's the whole
friends of the two and then friends.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I just love the idea that you just described. This
woman who seems so ideal in every way, she still
has to get set up in blind dates. Yes, not
always the way.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah. And she was like, they're like, she dated this person,
dated that person. And of course it's like in the papers,
like in the you know what are the tabloids, like
she's dating Jilliana is dating this guy named that guy.
And so she's still just like, I can't find anyone,
you know, And she's like thirty seven at this point.
It still has to be fucking set up, yeah, which
is like, guys, that's just how it goes. It's okay,
she put her career first. Yeah, and it works out sure.
Good for her. Alan. He seems like a nice guy.

(27:53):
They fall in love and they announced they're engaged in
January of nineteen ninety nine. Nice. Everything's going great for her.
She's still already seven. She's at the pinnacle of her career.
She's one of the most high profile TV presenters in
the country, and her life seemed to be on this
great track when out of the blue, she's murdered. Okay,
here we go, I know it sucks. On April twenty sixth,

(28:17):
nineteen ninety nine, it's a rare day off for Jill.
She wakes up at Alan's house. She doesn't live there officially.
Her house is on the market, but she stays most
nights with Alan and he lives in Chiswick, which is
in London. And she left around seven right to run
some errands. She fills up her guesting. She goes to

(28:40):
the market, and of course in London there's CCT feet
go to je everywhere, so they can kind of track
where she goes. And then she heads back to her
house around eleven thirty in the morning to grab some crap,
parks her car on the street, which I'm sure I
was thinking about, like, even when you're a fucking famous newscaster,
you don't have parking in London, Like that's just how
life is. They don't. They just don't have it. It sucks.
And then she walks towards her front door, her little

(29:02):
Victorian terrorist home. So it's essentially just like you know,
a block of these cute British houses. It's like this
little two story Victorian era with a little gate at
the front, a tiny little front patio yard kind of thing.
So fifteen minutes later, a passing neighbor named Helen Dobel,
who was on she was friendly with Jill. She saw
Jill's car was there. So she's walking by Jill's house

(29:24):
and she like looks over to be like, what's up,
how are you whatever? So she looks over and into
Jill's yard as she's passing by and notices that up
at the walkway by the door, Jill is slumped against
her door frame and Helen sees blood pooling around her.
And Helen notices so much blood that initially she thought
Jill had been stabbed, and based on what she could see,

(29:46):
which wasn't too far up the walkway, she concludes that
Jill's already dead. WHOA. So she must be into fucking
true crime because she's like, I don't want to disturb
the crime scene. Yep. She sees that the gate is closed,
which she knows is weird, and so she doesn't go in.
She calls emergency services right away, lets them know what's
going on, lets them know who the victim is. Police

(30:08):
arrive at the scene soon after, and Jill's body is
airlifted to the hospital. So it's determined that Jill so
she had walked up her walkway and reaches into her
bag to grab her house keys, when at that moment
someone approaches her from behind, forces her to her knees
and shot a single bullet at her left temple, just

(30:29):
behind her ear, execution style, in broad fucking daylight. It's
eleven thirty in the morning and this like, you know,
busy neighborhood. Yeah, execution style shoots one of the most
famous newscasters in London or in England. Excuse me, she's
Jill dan Is officially pronounced dead at one oh three pm. Wow.

(30:50):
So forensic investigators swept the scene for evidence. They didn't
find anything except for a single bullet casing. It was
the type that came from a rare nine millimeter semi
autumn browning pistol, and due to the strange nature of
the casing it had like some scratches and some weird
stuff on it. Investigators thought that the killer had like
fucked with the gun to make it different somehow, but

(31:13):
the gun was never found and that they had made
the gun altered the gun specifically for that murder. So whatever,
what followed was one of the largest and most expensive
police investigations ever to take place in Britain. So Jill
Danda's neighbor, Richard Hughes, so they had no forensic evidence
at all. The only thing they can do is get

(31:34):
eyewitness evidence. They for testimony they see the neighbor. Richard
Hughes described how he so he had heard a woman's scream,
but he said it sounded more like the woman had
been surprised, not scared. He said he looked at his
bedroom window and saw a man between thirty and forty
years old and an average height, moving briskly towards Fulham

(31:56):
Palace Road, and CCTV footage shows a speeding blue range
drover right after the murder and a similar car scene
parked illegally on Jail Street that morning. There's also a
photo of a well dressed man sweating at a bus
stop on his cell phone near the murder scene shortly
after the shooting as well. But outside of these sightings,
which are so random and might have nothing to fucking

(32:18):
do with the murder, police aren't able to find any
other reliable eyewitness accounts. So Jill's death, of course sends
shockwaves through the nation. She had been dubb British TV's
Golden Girl, and so her high profile murder, which seemed
to them at that point execution style, populated the papers
for months. The police named her the Search for her

(32:42):
Killer Operation Oxborough, and it was the Metropolitan Police's largest
criminal investigation since the Yorkshire Ripper, which you had done, right,
and that was in the eighties. I don't think I
did that, did you don't. Let's see DA DA DA,
led by Chief Inspector Hamish Campbell. Hamish Campbell. So no murder, weapon,
no motive, no white witnesses. Police of course face mounting

(33:05):
pressure and over the course of the inquiry, over two
thousand people were named as Jill Dando's killer from anonymous
tip lines. Within six months of her death, more than
twenty five hundred people had been spoken to and police
had taken more than a thousand statements. Investigators even used
her own show Crime Watch to try to get information

(33:25):
on her murder, Wow I Know, which produced hundreds of
phone calls, but none that produced any helpful leads. So
police meticulously looked at one hundred and ninety one c
CCTV videos, only to find that no one followed Jill
that day, so they looked at every place she had
gone to. They looked at her when she got home.
No one followed her up the walkway, no one followed her.

(33:47):
There wasn't the same person at all the locations she
had been to. So police then scrutinized her fans, looking
for someone with an unhealthy interest in her. But out
of the four thousand of her fans that they looked into,
they found one hundred and fifty who seemed to have
an unhealthy interest in her. And they said, only found
one hundred and fifty, I'm like, that's fucking too many
of people to have an unhealthy interest in someone. They

(34:09):
discovered one fan was running her BT account, which I
think is a British telecommunications account, so like her phone account,
which meant that they could look into Jill's phone calls
and phone numbers. And they also found somebody who had
one hundred and fifty pictures of her on his computer,
and then one guy who tried to take over her
utility bills. But none of these people, they thought, showed

(34:31):
that their interest was more than a fantasy or fixation.
The utility bills things a bit odd. It is weird.
I don't know really what that like they were trying
to pay them, or they were trying to like get
access to them. I don't know what. Yeah, to see
when she has taught me well to know when her
lights are on and when she's home and not home.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Maybe I don't know, or just maybe it's just a random,
like crazy concept, like someone's so out of it that
they're just it only makes sense to them.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Because it's so weird to me, And I'm sure this
was weird to them too. Is it like if she's
just stopping by to pick some stuff up, then they
don't know when she's going to be home? Right? In
my mind, my first thought would be like, well, this
is like an intruder who got caught, or like a
peach guy who was trying to be a peeping tom
who randomly got caught because he didn't know she wasn't
home or wouldn't you know would be coming home randomly,

(35:17):
or didn't think she'd be coming on all, I was
going to break in? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, So about a month in the investigation, the police
come across a name that piqued their interest. It's a
guy who lived half a mile from Jill's house. His
name was Barry George and he had emerged as a
suspect because he had been agitated on the day of
the crime when discussing his problems with his GP and
his housing association. So like a couple people were like,

(35:43):
he came in that day and he was acting fucking
weird and you know, called him in. So police look
into him and they find that in nineteen eighty three
he had pled guilty to attempting to rape a woman
and there was a note in his file that he'd
been arrested on the grounds of the Royal Palace where
Prince Charles and Princess Diana were living. And when he

(36:04):
was arrested it was because he looked suspicious because he
was wearing camo and he had a length of rope
and a knife tied around his shoulders, which sounds fucking suspicious.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I mean, that's beyond suspicious and aggressive. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's not even hidden there any no, wow.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
So Barry George had many aliases under the name Barry Bulsara.
He claimed that he was the cousin of queen singer
Freddie Mercury and he was obsessed with Freddy Mercury. He
got convicted for several offenses under some of these other
aliases he had used. So that meant that, like when
the detectives looked into this guy Barry George, they didn't

(36:39):
realize that this other guy, Barry Bulsara had issues too,
so they didn't put it together at first too.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
He was It's so weird that there was a time
where you could have like a fake identity and get
prosecuted under a fake identity and they really don't find
out totally.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's the eighty shit right there. That's ninety nine though,
Oh I thought it was yea, well, I guess, yeah,
it was in the eighties, but yeah, I mean, who knows.
That's what happens though, So I don't think so these computers,
I know, but what if they're not? Like what if
you have legit docs that show who you are and
you give a different one every time? But how would

(37:16):
you get this? I don't know. I don't know either.
Let's send Steven to the DMB see if we can
get him to get a fake ID and set up
a whole po box.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
It just feels like that's the place where fake ivs
and like fake identities should stop is at the police department.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's that's where all that should be uncovered. Lots of
stuff should stop there. One would hope one would cross
their fingers tightly. So so he's known in the area
for wandering around the streets. He's kind of like a
like a known like weirdo. A local taxi firm had
also called the police right after the shooting to say

(37:55):
that they were concerned about a man who kept coming
in and he seemed to be constructing an alibi, being
like I was here right, or like give me a ride,
I was here. Oh. Police then found that he had
a history of following and photographing women. When they searched
his house, they found a bunch of uh what's it
called with the film roles undeveloped uh huh. They tallied

(38:15):
that he was he had been stalking over four hundred
and eighty women at the time. Whoa so just like
taking photos of women and like just stalking. That's so many,
that's so many, And like, of course at the time,
there weren't stocking laws. It's not how it is today,
should have been how it was fifty years ago. So
we're still behind. Yeah, but at that time, there was none.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
You know, right at that point, if you're stalking four
hundred and eighty women, how can they tell? Doesn't it
just seem like you're taking pictures of women? It's like,
but I mean, that's how intense it must have been.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Totally I mean, who yeah, it's crazy. And the inquiry
also revealed that he had an interest in firearms, not
that he owned any, but that he was like a
fucking gun nut. Here are my you know the movie
Me and the TV shows Taste si Peg. Yeah, it's
like one of my favorite, absolute favorite shows. But his
best friend, Simon PEG's best friend in it. If you

(39:07):
watch that, it's who that reminds me of. But not
a nice guy. That guy's a lovely angel. What's his name? Okay,
so it's the guy that's in all the Salmon Peg movies. Hey, yeah,
what's my love? Okay? Get it? Nick Frost, thank you,
Nick Frost in Space but a creep.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Nick Fross also has a really awesome, like futuristic outer
space show that's hilarious, that has the tall girl that
we've talked about. Now it's we're just like naming random
trying to describe British actors, it's not it's not a
good road to go down.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
That's your favorite hobby. Okay, okay. So, over a year
after Jill's murder, when they finally put it together that
this is the same guy, police are confident that they
had strong enough evidence to arrest Barry George, and they
get a warrant to search his house. They find his
flat is stacked to the ceilings with newspapers. He's like

(40:02):
a hoarder. So to some people it's like, yeah, he
had some like newspapers with Jill Danda's death in them.
Someone's like, oh my god, why did we have that?
But others are like, well, he just fucking didn't get
rid of newspapers. Yeah, he kept going right, so it
didn't seem like, you know, people like us were like,
he didn't do it. It's like, well, you know, but

(40:22):
but there wasn't any evidence of him having an obsession
with Jill. There was no creepy murder shrines and all
the shit. The neighbor right next too lived next door
who had heard the scream and looked out the window,
and right across the street, who had both seen someone
departing from the gate. Neither of them are able to
id Bearry in a lineup. In fact, they each picked
a different person for the ID, which is not good. Right,

(40:46):
It's great for Barry, It's great for Barry. However, forensics
finally get a breakthrough. So they had gone through his house,
they had collected all the shit. They had taken it
from his house to a photography studio to photograph the evidence,
which I is weird, that's not what they usually do,
Like they didn't have a police photographer. Yeah, on the scene.

(41:06):
They had taken it out to a different location, which
I think now we know is chain of evidence. That's
an easy way to discontaminate, to discredit, for the defense,
to discredit and debunket. Right, So they get a breakthrough.
They had found a very small amount of firearm discharge
in the pocket of a coat that they had taken
into custody. And it was the coat that Barry George

(41:28):
himself said that he was wearing the day of the murder.
So take that coat in, they get it forensically, fucking whatever,
they find this little bit of firearm discharge. It was
a half of one thousandths that one thousandth of an
inch that they found. Okay, that's hardly any So the
chemical composition matched out of the bullet that killed Jill Dando. Oh.

(41:49):
But they also find a single fiber on the crime
scene that matched a pair of trousers that Barry George
owned as well. So with this information alone, they're like great,
And on May twenty ninth, two thousand, Barry George is
formally charged with the murder. So the trial became one
of the most controversial cases in British criminal history. Of course,

(42:10):
George Barry Barry George pleads not guilty. It's hard. It's hard,
you know, with those two first names, I mean, yeah,
and one of them is kind of my name, and
I just want to say it first. He pleads not guilty.
Of course, he's accompanied by a psychiatrist during the trial
to help him follow the case because he suffers from
serious epilepsy and he had She just pointed up me,

(42:33):
you know your kind one of you. Well, I thought
maybe you could attest to how hard it is to
follow your own trial.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I've had a terrible time about at least four different times.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Out of ten true or false, okay, And he had
difficult is concentrating because it's found later that his IQ
is in the mid seventies.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Same, so what if I pointed at you seventies? Oh
you know how that is.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
So like he had He definitely had ADHD. It's possible
that he had aspergers. But his IQ was also really
low and he suffered from epilepsy, so he had all
these issues making it hard for him to kind of
understand what was going on. And that's why they wouldn't
let him testify it because he would have incriminated himself,
probably because he didn't understand the severity of the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Right, so.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Hold for a large plane. Regarding this flimsy for forensics evidence,
you know, the defense argues that the jacket, so the
jackets have been removed from its protective bag, had been
placed upon a work service in the photography fuck photographic
studio and the photographic studio, this is all I could
find about it that it housed ammunition would yeah, so

(43:50):
like don't take it there. Yeah, that's an odd combination.
So maybe it was just like it was like may
perhaps it was the studio that they used for evidence
to photograph it. They're but that means that ammunition would
have come in and out.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Of it, right if it's a police photography studio or
whatever exactly, which is what the hell.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Which is why you don't do it? There you do it. Yeah.
So items found at the crime scenes, such as the
bullet and cartridge, as well as Jill Dando's front door
which is where the bullet hit after passing through her head,
were photographed in the studio. So the bullet and everything
was photographed there. Then they brought the jacket and they're like, oh, look,

(44:30):
and then they found on one thousandth of a p
but inside a pocket, which is weird too, right, But
so it's probably on the Q tip or whatever the
fuck they use.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, I mean that's highly contaminated. Right, It's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's like, should be thrown out, the evidence should be
thrown out immediately, which I think the defense tried to do.
And you know, I think that there was such for
her over getting this case solved that it was it
was one of those styles, right that it could be.
It was one of those you motherfuckers, better catch this guy.
This is insane. This is beloved person, and you know,
so they went with what they had. The search team

(45:04):
who recovered the jacket had not worn for ends of
clothing while searching George's flat. One of the officers who
was present, who had handled the jacket, had handled ammunition
while wearing the same clothing that he had on then,
So he probably put his fucking hand in the pocket, right,
But guess what he was found guilty, that's right. Yeah,
And on July second, two thousand and one, he sentenced

(45:25):
to life in prison. So for years after his conviction, though,
people campaigned for Barry George's freedom because they felt like
he had been taken advantage of due to his mental
illness and his mental capacities.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, because if you pull back a little bit, it
really does seem like, oh, they just got the irritating
guy that was overtly mentally.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Ill guy walking around the street, Yeah, who did sexually assault.
Like you can't argue that, Like he is a bad pass.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
There's some serious issues, but it's like so convenient totally
that that's the guy.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
And listen, maybe it fucking was him, But you can't
take someone to core based on this stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
You know, well, just you know, from my professional stances,
having done one hundred of these and just knowing how.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
They all go, it's not enough evidence. It's not that's
that's not a that's not the solid case where you're like,
we've got the guy. And to that point, if you
have an IQ of seventy and you have all of
these fucking health mental health issues, you don't commit the
perfect crime. You can't commit the perfect crime. That's a
great point. You don't run from the scene without any

(46:30):
blood on you. You don't know to use a silencer, you
don't know how to shoot someone so that blood doesn't
get on you, you don't avoid CCTV footage, and you know,
you don't not talk to someone about it because like
apparently he would just he talked a lot and would
tell people about his obsession with celebrities, and we tell everyone, like,
this is who I'm obsessed with this day. No one
ever remembered him talking about Joe. Yeah, he just didn't.

(46:52):
It didn't make sense for him, right. Maybe it was
a fucking insane Stoker fan, but it doesn't sound like him, right.
So neat ways, eight years after a sentencing and numerous
turned down appeals, George Is finally granted a second trial
when it came out the gun trace obtained from his
coat was discredited as a reliable source of evidence, which

(47:12):
is like the stuff we have now too, where it's
like blood splatter evidence doesn't fit right and doesn't make sense.
So one one thousandth of anything shouldn't count. Absolutely not
so the Oh and the coat, it had been a
year since he since the murder, and he had had
it dry clean and worn it since then too when
they found that when they took the coat into custody. Okay, yeah,

(47:34):
so it wasn't him, yes, Okay, So he's acquitted on
November two, November two thousand and seven, despite he's trying
to claim five hundred thousand pounds in compensation for his
wrong conviction, but it's been turned down by then Home
Secretary Kenneth Clark, who ruled that he was not quote
not innocent enough oh, and that the conviction was not

(47:56):
so unfair as to be considered a miscarriage of justice.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
So you got to quit it. But they're like, yeah,
but not hard enough. I mean, it's this is truly
an either or situation. You're innocent or guilty.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
And then like a new law was passed around that
time that was like, well, if you want to get compensation,
you have to prove your innocence. Wow. Yeah, which is
like what that's mind boggling.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It makes sense though, because it's like they don't want
to be paying out people. I mean they want to
they want to be paying people who it's they've been wrongfully.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Convinced and it's been proven like by DNA or something
that they're innocent. But he just got off because the
the ice what you're saying, I mean, yeah, it's it's
not like they were like, you didn't do it. They
were like, the evidence show doesn't show that you did
it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, I mean, that's it. It's a weird gray area.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
It's almost like they won't give it to him until
they tell someone else gets yeah, that it's proven beyond
a shadow of a doubt.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
But it's like it's like a shadow of a of
an assurance that he did do it is what got
him in there in the first race. So it is,
you know, shadows shouldn't be involved.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's just shadowy. It's super shut. A lot of shadowy figures. Hey,
let's talk about some of them. Okay, let's go to theories.
So there's a bunch of theories about there's like six
strong ones, but there's about of course, a ton. I
was listening to a podcast that has a lot of
them that you can listen to about it. It's the
podcast is called Unseen. But I'm just going to go

(49:26):
over two little ones and then my favorite one. Okay,
So after he's acquitted, there are about fifty two thousand
documents from his from Barry George's legal team that are
made public and some of which helped the public create
new theories that they felt the police overlooked in their
quest to pin it on George. So the first one

(49:47):
that I found interesting is that the IRA was involved,
the Irish Republic Army Republican Army, that they chose Jill
Dando as a target because there are links with the
police through her show Crime Watch, and they actually a
letter was found in those documents of a dude who
was in prison who admitted to killing with a bunch

(50:10):
of people that they killed her for the IRA. And
it's just kind of nutty bullshit. Ye I don't believe it.
As a member of Shane Fenn, I'd like to say
that's bullshtime, just kidding, just kidding. But of course then
at the time there was already peace talks going on,
so the government knew about it, but didn't want them.
Didn't want to like pin it on the IRA because

(50:30):
then the peace talks would have blown out. Yes, blah
blah blah.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
You know it's there's I mean. And also it just
seems a bit far away. It's just like, oh, we're
gonna if we assassinate this newscaster, these things will happen
where it's like that's it doesn't that doesn't directly track
in any way.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well wait to get to mind. That's similar. Oh, but
it does directly track. The other one was that in
twenty fourteen, a former colleague of Jills came forward and
said that Jill was trying to expose a VIP pedophile
ring well just months before her death, and the pedophile
ring had named high profile celebrities. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Those pedophile rings in England have been proven to be real.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's that one dude who was like the BBC presenter,
guys Jimmy Somerville, who's epist of Creed. That's right. So
they think it was like, that's like that related to that. Yeah,
I don't think so, because I don't know why. I
don't think she would have had information that could have
been like could have been silenced by killing her. I
don't think, you know, she was the presenter and she

(51:31):
was a journalist, but there were you know, teams, there
were people. She was a newspaper investigative journalist thing. Ye, right,
you know what I mean. It wouldn't have stopped at her, right.
Maybe would have sent a message, but I don't think
that it would have sent a big enough message forever
and be like never mind, you know what I mean,
because it ended up coming out anyways. So but it's interesting, yeah,

(51:51):
all right, So here's the one I like the most,
and this is conspiracy theory time. So in twenty twelve,
a story came out about the widow of a renowned
Serbian journalist name Slavco Coravisia. So this Stude's loco. He
had been murdered during the Coast of Old War in
an almost identical circumstances to Jill, just fifteen days before Jill.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
So, the widow came forward to say that she's convinced
that Jill Dando was shot by a hit man acting
on orders given from the same person who had ordered
her husband's hit, Serbian dictator Slow Balama Melosovich, whoa Okay,
this fucking shit goes deep and I'm like, now really
really wanting to look into the coast of World War
because it's bananas. So this so this guy u Slavco Coravisia,

(52:39):
he was a critic of the Serbian the Serber regime,
and he was this big journalist to own a newspaper,
and he had been shot dead outside their home in Belgrade.
Both victims were high profile journalists. Jill and this guy
both were returning home when they were approached from behind,
forced to the ground and shot in the head at
close range. Whoa fifteen fucking days apart. So why would

(53:00):
Jill be targeted by the Serbian regime, you asked, Karen.
That's a great question. Thanks. Well, just weeks before her death,
Jill had fronted a TV appeal forks Kosov, Kosovo and
Albanian refugees being driven out of their home by militias
back by the Yugoslavian president. So she does this kind

(53:21):
of like you know, heart to heart news program, being like,
we need to help these poor refugees, showing footage of
what's going on, explaining what's happening, really anti Serb and
apparently it enraged the Serbian paramilitaries, which is like, fine,

(53:41):
I've got a lot of fuckings news reporters were doing that.
It's not like they wanted to get her specifically for
saying that. It wouldn't have done anything. But at that
point NATO had gotten involved in the warren Kosovo and
on April twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, had bombed a
state owned TV station in Belgrade. Fucking NATO did this.
They killed sixteen workers at this news station, including a

(54:04):
makeup artist and an electrician. It was all just like
you know, regular workers there. At the time, it was
NATO's first offensive action against a sovereign nation in its
fifty year history. Wow. And the British broadcast the BBC
reported that the station was targeted because of its role
in Belgrade's propaganda campaign. So they said it was fucking

(54:24):
justified because this was a propaganda machine. So they killed
the makeup artist and the fucking cameraman and the electrician
and shit. So fifteen days later Jill's killed. So the
day after Jill's murder, an unidentified man called the BBC
and he had the accent. He told the operator because
your government this is quote, because your government and in particular,

(54:45):
your Prime Minister Blair murdered butchered seventeen innocent young people.
He butchered. We butcher back the first one you had yesterday,
the day after Jill's fucking murder whoa the Techna had.
Chief Inspector Ham Campbell, who led the manhunt, said that
the theory was only considered quote for a short while,

(55:06):
but instead police focus their attention on George. Oh dude,
I know so uh that like that to me is
it makes sense? It's this fucking international crazy conspiracy that
they're like, you killed, you bomb this fucking you know
news station, We're gonna kill and they threatened other specific

(55:28):
newscasters at BBC. Right, nothing ever happened, but they got
a couple of different phone calls from it.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Can I add to something just as I make it up?
Please always always that they were like, all right, pinted
on the local eccentric bounced this over to I five
and that's why no one else got murdered. That they
probably had things in place, but it went full on
deep covers Cia British style, which is m I five.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
The police might not even know, like the local police,
who are the you know, chief inspector maye him, but
not the rest might not even known that. Like the
I five was like, let's make it look like this
this dude, Barry George, this local fucking weirdo who's also
like been arrested and charged with rape. Let's make it
look like he did it. Yeah, let's put you know,
a fucking gun particle in his pocket, so the police

(56:18):
and the people who are arresting him might not even
know about it. It's not like everyone's behind this, right
because this does it's so high level, like spy shit. Yeah,
it's crazy. And then if you if I five comes
out and they're like, this is what happened, then you're
going to fucking war. Then it's going to be war, right,
nobody wants well, everyone wants war in the government.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
But nobody it's poor like they're trying to prevent the
like larger and larger action, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Right, yeah, so maybe they like behind closed doors, you know,
put a fucking quash on this whole thing somehow, and
we're like, we don't need to take this any further. Yeah,
And Jill fucking was the person who got sacrificed for it, right,
So that sucks. As of now, the police maintained their
belief that Jill was killed by a crazed and obsessed stalker,

(57:11):
maybe someone she was familiar with, and they're still kind
of going at that angle, but they're not. It's not
like it doesn't seem like it's an active investigation at
the moment, right and almost It's been almost twenty years
since her death, but Jill Dando's case remains opened and unsolved.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I bet so many British people are like, I remember
that day type of thing.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That's just so shocking, you would I think it's it
was like similar to when Princess Diana died. It's just
this like, well, this person doesn't is this lovely person
who represents this, you know, like this who we are
and what we care about, and yeah, and has a
senseless death and someone needs to fucking pay for this

(57:50):
or someone needs to kind to justice for this. It's
just really awful.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Also, you know, you when you said none of the
CCTV footage showed anybody like, that's highly suspicious because, like
you said, if the if it was the eccentric wandering
around and being the way he always was, you would
have seen him walk up, walk down, be in the
neighborhood do something he wouldn't be, you know, a like

(58:15):
shadowy figure that just disappears, whereas if it was some
kind of spy shit. You know.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Well, there's like that weird land rover, which everyone knows
fucking shady people drive land rovers, especially in LA, especially
in LA. And then they yeah, it's just this.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Weird like but it makes so much more sense that
it's a professional hit. It's like someone who has been trained.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Come in, come out. And the thing that everyone who
saw this person who may or may not have been
the killer, who also like was seen on close caption,
is that he looked he looked up well to do
and normal. He looked well to do, yes, which is
the perfect cover. Right, you look like a fucking normal person.
Don't look like a spastic local fucking weirdo.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
No, you look like a rich guy. And everyone's like, well,
can't be the guy in the know ranger over that.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
There's a normal guy. Yeah, he's a guy, right, wow.
And there's like more shit about this killer and that
killer and it's just a bitten cosoo and it's just
like fucking bananas crazy. Yeah. Wow. So that's a matter
of fucking Jill Dando. Wow, yeah, you want a pillow?

(59:23):
You have some over there? Do you anymore?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
No? No, I'm fine, I just can't step. No, I'm
good at getting pillows. Okay, So for mine this week,
And I told you a couple of days ago. I
was like, I'm so excited for my story this week. Yeah,
and uh, I'd never heard of this, and I never
I mean not even like an inkling because and I

(59:47):
can't believe that because it has everything I love. It
has a combination of and when obviously we say love,
we mean things. I'm most horrified by it's attraction, repulsion.
Look it up in a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
But the only reason I know about it is because
a lovely murderino on Twitter at Santina Lynn thirty three.
They sent it to me and basically said I think
you would like this, and I hit the link and
was just like, man, you're right, shit, man, you're right.

(01:00:23):
So I'm gonna mislead a little bit and not say
the actual title of what I had originally, and we're
just gonna call this the Andrews Family Haunting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh my god, I love it. I love it. I
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, I'm here for this. It's such a tragic story.
It's like there's just nothing but tragedy in every direction.
And it is that kind of like this swirling thing
of when children are abused, when people are left alone,
when like all just all those things kind of coming
together in one terrible tragedy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
The kind of thing where you're like, well, I don't
believe in ghosts, but if there's everyone to be one,
these are the circumstances that are going to create. That's right.
This Okay, okay, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
So it is the fall of nineteen eighty six, and
we're in a suburb outside of Boston, mass And it's
called Pepperrel. That's how I'm just going to pronounce it, Pepperrel,
and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So it's the Andrews family. It's the father, Brian, and
then his two daughters, Annie who's fifteen and Jessica who's eight,
and they have just lost their mother from cancer. It's
obviously a terrible loss. The family's grieving. It's a really
hard time for them. Their father is a really hard worker.

(01:01:35):
He's a bus driver and he's working to keep the
family together. But you know, what a terrible time to
lose your mom and just really also, as everybody knows,
so many people have been affected by cancer. It's just
the saddest, you know, watching somebody get cancer, being diagnosed
with it, and then you know, the eventual sickness or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I feel, like many people, the only.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Good thing is so many advances have been made in cancer,
and it's so different than it was in the eighties
when it would just immediately beads a sentence. But it's
it's a ravaging, terrible disease and so many people know
that and experienced it. So Brian is just trying to
keep his teenage daughter and his eight year old daughter together.
And okay, but they spend tons of time alone at

(01:02:23):
the house because you know, he has to work so much,
and they hang out, they watch TV together, you know.
So in the middle of all this kind of sad
sadness and this is also you now it's eighty six,
so we have to go back before the internet. We
go back before texting, we go back before everything. And
this is all about the phone. This is when the

(01:02:45):
ringing phone had the potential of everything of your golden
teenage years coming through that phone line.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
That's what it was all about.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
So one night, the phone rings and Annie picks it up,
and it's a boy on the other end of the line,
and he introduced is himself. He says, his name's Danny,
and then he got her phone number from mutual friend
of theirs at her school.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And she's the older one. She's the older one. She's fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
And the boy says that he saw her and he
asked their friend for her phone number. He explains it
goes to a different school. He describes himself. He's athletic,
and he's tall, he's blonde. You know, I don't know
if he said he was good looking, but that's just
the idea that she got that he was, you know,
basically like captain of the football team style dude at a
different school who's interested in her. So of course you're fifteen.

(01:03:33):
It's like what you are waiting for and living for
a fifteen year old.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Girl facing babysitters club novel. It fully is, yes, but
over the phone, so she's thrilled.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
They chat on the phone for you know, like into
the night or whatever, and have great conversations, and that
happens a couple times, and finally he asks her on
a date. He asked her to the fair and she
says yes, and so the big day arrives, the bell rings,
she runs downstairs, opens the door. Standing there is a short,

(01:04:06):
non athletic, dark haired, very acne covered boy who introduces
himself as Danny, and of course she's immediately she's disappointed.
She's trying not to act like she is, she's trying
to be nice. She feels like she still has to
go on this date with him, even though she's like,
this is so weird, And so she goes and the

(01:04:29):
date lasts one hour because almost immediately she's getting weird
vibes from this kid. And as they're having their you know,
having their get to know you conversation, and at one
point she explains that her mother has recently died from cancer,
and suddenly he perks up and he starts asking her
all these questions, and she's just kind of like, what

(01:04:52):
the fuck And he's like like overally curious about her
mother dying of cancer, to the point where he's like, like,
how to tell me how you felt this the moment
you found out she was dead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
This feels like a fucking uh, what's it called urban legend?

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
So far, yes, it has all those things where you're
just like, oh, a great thing. Oh no, it's the
worst version of this thing that I thought it was
supposed to be. And it's like it's an eighties version
of catfishing. And she's fifteen, so she doesn't know how
to assert herself. She doesn't know how to go, hey,
fuck you dude, you sold me a bill of good Yeah,
I think you are that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I'm not comfortable goodbye. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
But in that hour, suddenly he's saying he's asking her
to describe how her mom suffered all this stuff, and
finally she's she's like, yeah, this is super weird, like goodbye,
and walks away. Oh that was after he made a
joke about her mom. Ife came, so she's just like,

(01:05:51):
never talk to me again, don't call me anymore. And
Lee's girl, so she's back at home and back to
kind of like sad life with her and her kind
of being like latch keysh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
So they're spending.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Lots of time home alone. They miss their mom, So
one night they decide they're going to do a seance
to try to see if they can contact their mom.
They go up into the attic, they do all the
things they think you're supposed to do to have a seance,
light a candle, they're doing some chanting whatever. Their dad
opens the door, he comes home from work, opens the door.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
They end it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
But they had been starting to get this weird feeling
and they thought it was like really working or whatever.
And then the dad walks in and it's like, what
are you two doing? You know whatever, Get get out
of the attic. No candles. No candles in this house, sure,
and I would like to sounds on the attic. The
dad's worried about his daughters. Obviously they're really suffering through
the loss of their mom. He doesn't really know what

(01:06:48):
to do, and he's kind of weirded out by that behavior.
So shortly after they have this seance, they start hearing
tapping and knocking in the house when they're home by themselves,
and at first, you know, freaks them out. They try
to go see where it's coming from. They can't find it.
It goes away, and that it's like this recurring thing

(01:07:09):
and gets louder, gets more insistent, and at one point
it's just constant, Like one night it's there and there's
just constant tapping.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Now, light the house on fire and leaf right no, no, no, no,
no no, yeah no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
So they're like fuck we this is bad and like
some you know this is this is not good. Also,
it's a thing like I was saying before, like you're
home alone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I mean I'm like so old.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
And when I'm home alone, you hear one noise. Yeah,
like you want to run out into the street.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Totally. That's kind of why I love living in apartment
buildings because it's like you can explain it on anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yes, and there's so many people right nearby. There's thirty
people right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, once I live in a house, someday, I'm not
going to be happy. Yeah, it's very difficult. It seems
so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
So then they start no to saying that things are
moving when so they put something down in one room
and when they come back in it's somewhere else, like
pieces of furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Cats. They put their cat down in one place and
they're like, it's not sleeping anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
They tell their dad one time that they poured some
fiddle faddle in a bowl to take in to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
TV with them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
When they went back into the kitchen later to get it,
it was gone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
The bowl was gone. The whole thing was gone. They
couldn't find it. Remember fiddle fiddle saddle, but I prefer poppycock.
I wonder we should do a blanch taste.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Ys well, because I think fiddle one of them. Fiddle
saddle is like peanuts, right, and then poppycock has like almonds.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
There's some different What about crackerjacks. Crackerjacks are for old people,
Well they call me. Oh, I just called.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Myself old and now I'm like trying to throw that
shit on other people. That's how it works, That's how
insecurity works.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Everybody what times going crazy? Shit's going crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
The doorbell rings one night, they open the door, no
one's there, so they're like, fuck, what is what is happening?
We opened a portal so that when they tell their
dad these stories. The dad's like, so they want my attention.
I'm not around enough. I'm not there for them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yes, but also it's haunted. Yes, well both are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
True, but as we know in every like horror movie,
the parents never believe the kids until like Bugain, all
the curtains are on fire and then turn into an
old nun or whatever. Oh, by the way, the nun's
coming out this week and everybody, we've got to go watch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
It's all go together. Okay, let's all go in a
big bus. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
So one night, again home alone watching movie. They haven't
heard the knocking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
For a while. They start to hear it again. This
time it's in the basement.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
So Annie picks up a knife and she's like, come on,
we have to go check.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
And of course Jessica's like, no, no, we we kick Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
They go down into the basement and there is a
message written on the wall in what looks like blood,
and it says I'm in your room, come find me.
The girls read it, they scream, they run out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
They go to the neighbors. Yes, they're freaking out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I thought they were gonna go to the room.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
No, no, no, no. The neighbors call the dad at work.
He comes home, the police come. They all meet at
the house. They go, the dad and the cop go
downstairs into the basement and they're standing there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
They look, they touch the wall. It's catch up. Okay.
So then he's like, my daughters did this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Oh no, I was like great, but someone still wrote it.
He's like the ketchup. He's just like, this is like
a child prank. They're like trying to get my attention
and pretend like they're so scared to be home by
themselves because they want me to be with them, and this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Is so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
He apologizes to the cops and he tells the girls,
you guys are gonna have to go to therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah. Oh, I'm like gasping about therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Great, But also they actually do need to be in
their good things are happening. Their dad's on the right track, yes,
but but also he needs to listen to them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yeah, And he also tells he's like, do not do
this again. This is not this is serious, Like I'm
pissed at. So they're so frustrated because they're so scared
to be home and they know what's happening to them,
and they can't get anybody to believe them. Dude, Okay,
So a few weeks later, they're home alone. The knocking

(01:11:22):
starts again. Now it's super intense, and now it's upstairs,
and so they go upstairs and they go into the
bedroom and across the wall in the bedroom, in the
red it's written I'm back, Come and find me. So
they scream and they freak out. They run out of
the house, They run to the neighbors. The neighbor calls

(01:11:43):
the dad again, but this time when the dad comes home,
he's he finds the girls are standing outside there crying
and holding each other and shaking. And the neighbor goes,
They've been like this since they got to my house.
This isn't fake, Like whatever's going on, something's really going
on in that house. Yeah, like the neighbors on their side,
these girls are just shaken.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
So the dad, Brian, goes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Up into the house and he's like, I'll go check
it out. He goes up into the house and this
is now Also, this story does have several versions of
these details, but they all end up in the back
in the same place. But these versions I'm right now
going by the ID channel, show Your Worst Nightmare, Season two,

(01:12:27):
episode one, a bump in the Night. Okay, he goes
upstairs and he as he walks through the house, every
TV is on. Things are so disheveled that he knows
his daughters didn't like wreck the house before they left.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
He's starting to go something really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Is happening in this house, and he's like starting to
get really freaked out. He walks upstairs and he sees
in the girl's room that it's written on the wall.
But then he turns around and there's a picture of
Annie with a night stuck in it, stuck to the wall,
and he's like, oh my god. And then he hears

(01:13:04):
a noise down the hallway. He goes down into his
bedroom and someone is standing there wearing his wife's wedding gown,
no and a wig, and turns around. It's Danny Laplant,
the boy that Annie went on the date with. His
face is painted in like warrior makeup. Oh my god,

(01:13:26):
and he's holding a hatchet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Holy fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
The dad fucking of course like stumbles backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, Danny comes at him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
He runs out of the house, shuts the door, screams,
get them inside the house, call the cops. The cops
immediately come and they're just and he's standing out in
the street and like, no one comes out of the house.
And so he's like standing there waiting because he knows
it's his fifteen year old kid. He's not big, so
he's he's like kind of ready. This guy's fucking batchit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, batcha.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
He's got a hatchet, hatchet, batchet hatchet, wearing a wedding
dry So the cops go into the house to get him.
Oh hey, and they don't find anybody in the house,
and they're searching all around and they're like, this is
weird because they know no one came out. And then

(01:14:16):
they look and it on the story is like all
over our this happened in different places. But basically they
see they notice that there's a bookcase that's slightly out
from the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Wall, hiding in the wall. Store it sure is Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
They pull it open and there is a tunnel system
throughout the walls of the house. Suck and Danny Laplant
has been living inside of the walls of this house
since they went on this day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Danny, you creeper.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
And not only is there writing on these walls, and
there's girl the girl's clothing that's been slowly disappearing that
he's been jerking off onto. It's all inside the walls,
and there's beer, he's he's glued pennies to the wall.
There's all kinds of weird shit that shows he's been
in there for so long. But on top of all
of that, there are little peep holes so that he

(01:15:13):
could walk anywhere in the house and see the girls
in any.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Room that they were in. Ew ew okay, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yes. So some versions of the story are that that
Danny tied the whole family up and then Jessica got
away and called the cops and everyone got away, and
then the cops came, and then they moved back in
and then later it was like that where I'm like,
this does it doesn't even seem realistic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
I'm on this, I'm I'm on board with this one
so far. Yeah, I'm I'm on ID channel side. They
have researchers, they know what they're doing, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
So it turns out, so Danny Laplant, this fifteen year
old boy, very disturbed, has had a horrible life if
terribly abused physically, emotionally, sexually by his father and had
a terrible time in school. Was always made fun of
because of his parents because it his acne. He was disheveled,

(01:16:13):
he was very weird and creepy, just had terrible time.
He had learning disabilities, he had you know, every everything
stacked against him. When he was an adolescent. At one
point they sent him to a psychiatrist to help him.
The psychiatrist moless, No, right, oh god, so you know,

(01:16:35):
but still nothing is justifying. But but obviously there's the
the underlying psychological problems were there. That's awful, It's really terrible.
He UH is taken to a psychiatric hospital when he's
finally arrested UH, and they evaluate him before they send
him to juvenile hall, and they then decide the authority

(01:16:58):
to decide he's going to be trying as an adult
and moved into real jail. But because of that, instead
of like juvenile hall, if he's tried like an adult,
then he can have bail. So his mother, his mother
is able to come up with the one hundred dollars Oh,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Ten thousand dollars. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
When I looked at this the first time, I was like,
that's crazy. But you know it was the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I guess since one hundred dollars back then as equaled.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Because I put a period. I put a period instead
of a comma. Sorry everybody, ten thousand dollars bail, Okay.
So he was bailed out and he's given a December
court date. No, of course, the Andrews family is like,
we got we're moving, yeah yeah, and they relocate on December.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
So it takes two years for his court.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Case to come up on December first, nineteen eighty seven,
before the trial. He's still out before he's prosecuted for
the crime of being the creepiest person in America, second
only to remember the Spider Man of Denver with the
guy basically did the same thing, but almost less creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
On that one. He just came down upon from the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, and he was just living there because he had
nowhere else to go, right, and the family the couple
didn't know, but okay, So Danny on December first, nineteen
eighty seven, leaves his mom's house, and what they eventually
learned is that he'd stolen guns from a neighbor because
before this thing with the Etty Andrews house, he had

(01:18:37):
been breaking into homes and robbing people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
But then he also would.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Just break into homes and move stuff around and fuck
with people. So he was very into like fucking with
people's minds and invading privacy, and you know, that was
like an obsession of his already.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
So like such a Stephen King character.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Yeah, yeah, really disturbed, Yeah, and no help, the opposite
of any kind of help, and abuses piled on abuses,
but then just deeply disturbed persons.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So he goes He leaves his mom's house.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
And he goes out into the woods, which apparently some
people say he knew the woods like the back of
his hands. He could live out there as long as
he wanted. Sure, So he hikes through the woods for
a mile and then the first house he comes to
belongs to a family called the guest Deefsons, and it
is the mom is thirty three year old Priscilla, the

(01:19:29):
husband's named Andrew, and the children are Abigail who's seven,
and William who's five. So they Priscilla comes home one
day with the kids and there's it's speculated because no
one's sure positive, but they think he could either have
been surprised in the middle of robbing the house, he

(01:19:50):
just was there to rob it, or he had a
plan all along and he was in there hiding. The
one thing that does support the fact that he had
a plan was that that were highs found that he
had bound the family, which would have meant he had
pre planned it in some way, because what he basically

(01:20:10):
kills the family. He shoots Priscilla and then he takes
each child to a different bathroom and drowns them in
the bathroom. Terrible yep, and then he disappears into the
woods again. So they find at the scene, the police
find twenty two caliber gun casing and it matches the

(01:20:32):
gun that Danny stole, the twenty two that he had stolen.
And for forty eight hours they can't find him. People
are searching the woods. This is eighty eight or something.
This is eighty seven. It's December of nineteen eighty seven.
So they actually get like a task force together, like
cops from surrounding counties.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Dogs and yeah, there's there's a whole search.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Then they get a tip that Danny's hiding at an
old lumberyard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Oh what fuck creepier than that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
So all these cops descend on this thing and they
find him in a shed and when they pull him out,
he's laughing, and he continues to laugh throughout his entire arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
He just won't stop laughing and stop laughing Danny the
entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
He's booked, he's stripped. That's when they discover he has
a loaded gun hidden in his crotch. Oh my god, yeah, yeah,
he now this time he sentenced. He sends to three
consecutive life sentences because Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty,
and that's in court when everyone starts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Hearing about his terrible childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
But as many people say, we've been told a ton
of times, and we all know lots of people have
had terrible childhoods.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
And they do not kill people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
So obviously there's the extra specials, something in Danny's brain
that was off. We also know this because when he
went to jail, never expressed remorse for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Ever. He became a wicked in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Then he filed a lawsuit against the state of Massachusetts
because they weren't giving him access to dragon's blood, black
opium or honeysuckle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Wickeds are like, can you leave us out of this place? Literally,
that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
The wicked community was like, he is not one of
the chidow not what we're about. That is like, like
he has nothing to do with us, none of us
have ever heard of this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Like we reject him entirely. Not Jesus, they reject him entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
The Wickeds are about the fucking earth man and dragon's
blood and dragon's blood. Then he goes through appeal after
appeal of all these years where he's just like, don't care,
fuck you whatever, And finally on his last appeal, he
came and he was like, I realize what I've done.
I know what's wrong. I have nothing but remorse. I'm

(01:22:51):
so sorry for all the pain I caused. His final
appeal is denied, so he's never getting out of jail.
And of course, when was that in twenty something, it's
twenty sixteen. Shit, it's like recently, right, His final appeal
was Toninn and Andrew Gustafsen, who lost his entire fucking family,

(01:23:17):
and of course after that he died in twenty fourteen.
His second wife luckily, I mean he did remarry, which
is lovely. But his second wife testified at the resentencing
that Andrew's life, of course was ruined because of this crime.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
He suffered endlessly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
With depression, he went bankrupt, like his life of course
fell apart because it was so terrible. And they say,
I don't know if this is verified. That on Andrew's deathbed,
when he died in twenty fourteen, he said, make sure
they never let him out of jail. When Danny's third
appeal was like his final appeal was denied in a way,

(01:23:56):
they're like, well, at least then Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Got a little bit of justice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
That yeah, and that is the horrifying fucking story of
Danny Laplant.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
What in the actual fun? And also, how have I
never heard that story about dude? I think i'd heard
the beginning part and I was like, and I was like, okay,
like this isn't going to be a murder story. This
is like, you know, this like weird and likenprovable. I
don't know, but it's like cool, not cool, but you know, uh,
and then it just took a turn.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Yes, and that was horrible and you have like in
on the television show You're Worst Nightmare. The way they
shot it was so good where he's standing there, like
Brian goes into that bedroom and I is like suddenly
looking like what someone's in a wedding dress, Like how
confusing and disorienting that would be. And then it's just
like a teenage boy who basically is like it looks

(01:24:50):
like Brave Heart. It's like the top half of his
head is all black across the eyes and forehead, and
then the bottom is white and he has like a
weird strip of red on his legs, like it's so creepy.
And the hatchet, it's just like, oh, this is not
a haunting.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
This is a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
This is a true fucking nightmare. You're awake so crazy.
I want to see a photo of this, dude. Oh,
I have one right here for you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I mean he just, to be honest, he just looks
like all the disturbed serial killery.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Uh yeah, teen boys that you've ever seen. He's got.
He's definitely got a Richard Ramirez feel to him. He
definitely does dark dark oh man, yeah, really bad. Definitely
like the area of the heavy metal parking lot where
you're like, you don't want to go. That's right, you know, Yeah,

(01:25:41):
don't smoke that guy's popcet No. Absolutely will have Angel
dust in. That's right. It'll be totally fun and free
on and you're fucking suddenly wake up, Oh my god,
and free on? Remember free on? Well, shit, dude, I know, right, insane.
Good job, Oh thanks so much. My fucking array is

(01:26:03):
that I got to hang out with both of my
nephews over the weekend separately, and I got to hang
out with the eight year old nephew Micah alone, Like
we just got to like hang out and walk around
and talk and eat and like it just was this nice.
He's just such a different person around a bunch of
people because he gets so excited and hyperactive and shit,
not like but like a kid, like a kid. Yeah,
but this time it was just nice to talk to
him and stuff. And then my little baby, a nephew

(01:26:26):
of course, is the angelist of them all, and so
it just made me feel like a good aunt. Nice.
It's nice. All so so good too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
It's such a brain change because we're never around I
feel like in that kind of life and lifestyle that
we have, it's just like you're just never around kid. No,
it's not a family lifestyle. It's not even like slightly
juvenile lifestyle. You never get it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
And it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Important because like they're not sarcastic, they're not fucking riffing
all the time or trying to like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Put on a thing totally. You don't have to keep
up a conversation and ask them about dumb shit. Nope,
it's just real connected, like connected stuff. All he did
was like tell me about things he's excited about, like
movies and this movie and this other movie and this
character in this movie, and like just like talk at me.
It was like nice, Yeah, it's cool, and I was
just like, well, what did that guy do? It was

(01:27:16):
just kind of it's fun, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Yeah, well then I guess I will do my I
did a lot of so I started back up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
A writing job. So backup, back up. Oh you started
back up. I thought you meant like a backup to
the podcast Baskets is not a backup writing job. To
have a safety net, and it's just like the one
of the best TV shows on television.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
It's my version of getting an accounting degree. Yeah, when
I want to be an actor. No, it resumed so
knowing that life was going to get much more dense
and difficult, I just did absolutely nothing for like four
days in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
It was really nice, and I mean not like I
needed it, but it was I was almost like just
milking the end of it before.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
It's nice when you do it because you know there's
a there's a thing to do it for. When it's
not just like I'm not gonna do anything today, it's
like I have to catch up, yes, because I'm in
about to start some crazy shit. Yeah, like I'm in
it now. I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
I've turned back into like a banker, you know what.
I mean, I can't pretend I'm like a hippie rty person.
It's like, so I just wanted my last couple of
days of it. So I was binge watching all kinds
of crazy shit. And there's a series. There's an old
BBC series called Tom Jones that is it's based on
the story.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
It's really well done. There's some great actors, but it's
clearly from the nineties. It's old. But that was very satisfying.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
But then I on Labor Day tweeted a gift where
I said, Labor Day weekend in your forties, and then
it was a gift of a guy that was making
a face and just.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Slowly closing a door, like horrified face.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
And someone replied to that and was like, oh my god,
I love the Misfits, and I assumed it was the
band Yeah, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Wait, what, that guy's from the Misfits.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
And so when I look it up, it's a British
series that is so fucking good and funny. And I
watched I mean there's a ton of I think there
might be five seasons or more. I watched the first three.
It was it's super it's like dirty. I kept thinking
what channel would this be on, because they can't be
on just normal TV in England.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
But they're so fucking liberal about sex they don't give
a shit. And then there's like late night shit and
early night shit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Yeah, but this is like young people who all got
arrested for something and they have to go do like
it's basically community service. But then while they're doing community service,
a weird cloud passes over and like this odd storm
starts and then everyone changes and suddenly people have special powers.
But it's like all these like nar Duell kids that

(01:29:59):
have the pas.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
It is so good, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Awesome, so funny and interesting, and luckily a bunch of
murder reinos knew what that gift was and what the
show was, and they're like, we love that you love
the Misfits, And I was just like, what the fuck
is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
And credit for this badass thing? And now you're like, no,
you can actually give me credit for it. Yeah, no,
I can't have credit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
I didn't deserve credit on Labor Day, but I've now
earned it because now I'm a Cuemongus fan. It's a
really good show and it's old. I mean, people in
the UK right now are like, oh really, it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah, but you know, we take a while to catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
People are it's It would be like if a British
podcast is like you've got to watch Dawson's Creek.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
It's amazing but anyway, yeah, I'm gonna watch it. Well,
I don't drink. It's just another one of my things.
Just start watching everything. I'm gonna do it. Yeah, Brad,
should we have a challenge for this week this weekend
coming up? Sure? I actually did.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
I didn't go to a yoga class, but I rented
or I bought a yoga a Kundalini yoga video nice
that I did half of. It's actually Kundalini yoga is
interesting because it's not crazy hard poses physically.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
It's like odd.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Things that are duration, like you have to do weird
things with your arms for four minutes that you're like all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Sid then breathe all crazy lot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Yes, okay there, but it's effective, like it really works
if you do it. So I'm giving myself. I'm like
build up to it because it's actually hard to do
and do as much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
As you can and then just keep on doing it. Okay,
So that's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
They want you to do in that a forty day
yoga challenge where you do it every day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Jesus. So I might try to do that just because
I just want to build as you can.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
I need a practice. I need to practice, and I
need a morning routine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
I love that. All right, Well, I'm going to try
to go one time this week. Okay, goods, I haven't
been and I just need a fuck I need someone
to answer to. Yeah, good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Read Let's get everyone keep getting tweets about people going
and about people being like I went to mine. So
we're not giving up on this, No, like we definitely,
I definitely want to continue practicing getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
I have a quick shout out to the Halifax Murderinos.
They did themed yoga class for charity Nice Halifax Nova Scotia. Yeah,
they said, howdy this Wednesday, August twenty second, or small
but mighty group of Halifax Murderinos from Nova Scotia took
a suggestion and it only went to yoga, but themed
the whole damn class around it. They told me the
different kinds of poses they did. Then we raised over

(01:32:31):
one hundred dollars for the Kristin Johnston Legacy Beer Beer Seri. Kristin,
a yoga teacher herself, was stabbed in death by her
former partner in twenty sixteen. She touched many lives here
in Halifax and beyond. We couldn't think of a better
reason to gather as a community and practice yoga than
to honor Kristen's memory and uphold her legacy. Wow, that's great,
Stay sexy, do Murderino yoga. Darra pronounce like Sarah nice.

(01:32:55):
So that's amazing. Let's all do that. I love this also,
do Novasco.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I mean that is a tiny area where one of
my favorite giantsses is from Anna Swan, the giantess of
Nova Scotia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
She was like eight feet tall. Wow, she was humongous.
Good for her. I love her. You love giants. I
really do love giants. Well, you guys have been giants
for listening to this episode. Wow, So she you Alison Bitcherino, Ashley,
I'm sorry, Ashley, actually, bitchman. She's a bitchermin Bitcherman, Ashley

(01:33:35):
butcher Alison Butcherino is like I finally got my shut out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Alison Butchera is like my life hasn't been hard at all.
Bitcherino is so much different than Bitchermanchman's like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Oh I'm gonna dress. That was really insulting. I apologize
to do fake people. Both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
So sorry fake people. Don't have your feelings for fake people,
but thank you for listening. Yeah, and don't get murdered.
Good bye, Elvis. You want a cookie. I want a
cookie for your birthday.