165 - Live at the Old National Centre in Indianapolis

Karen and Georgia cover the Richmond Hill explosion and the murder of Marjorie Jackson.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What's happen in Apple? Yes? Hi, stay standing? Please? No,
that's my new joke. That's a good one. You can
work it out in every town. You do it different.

(00:42):
Did you sit down? I can't tell. There's no seats.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
There s ro o right in front. Yeah, happy Saint
Patrick's day. Everybody say, are.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
You good and fucked up? Tonight? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Punch punch me? I'm irish? What's punch me? I'm irish?
Is that right? Yeah? I mean that's what it ends
up as.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, it doesn't really matter what the shirt says, because
punch me, I'm irish. Punch it's more like punch you,
I'm irish.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Do not steal that. I'm making the fucking shirt. Don't
steal it.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Damn Stephen, Stephen copyright it immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
He's he's under your cloak. Where he is, you little rascal? No,
he's banned from the city. Oh oh, what Stephen did?
Super Bowl that year? Holy shit? Super Bowl? That's right, right?

(01:50):
Remember we know about super bowls. He loves First of all.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
He loves football. I had to remember what definitely football?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
How are we not talking about you're fucking cay? How
could we guys listen, listen.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Look, we went to an amazing thrift store right outside
of Cincinnati this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah. Uh cosa blanc a vintage.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, and we were like, let's go gets on the
green to wear on stage tonight. Obviously that didn't work
for me very well. But the shit, we were like
holding up for each other.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
What about this? It was the most hilarious.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Just an array of jumpers and onesies from the fifties
and someone crow.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Like terry cloth robes. I was like, I'd wear it
as a dress. Who gives a shit?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And then you pick this up?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, I saw this because I knew going into that
thrift store as a person of size who also loves
thrift stores, I know there's certain there's certain areas that
you go to your Like, I'm all the way down
at the end of the rack, and there's gonna be
like seven a t allion widow dresses down there, and

(03:02):
we'll see what we get and we'll try to have
fun with it, you know what I mean. They didn't
make tits and nassas like this in nineteen fifty two.
I hear it's something about manufact it's the processing of
food these days anyway, So I was kind of like
wanted to have the fun, but knew the fun wouldn't

(03:24):
be there for me if I really tried.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And then I fucking blazed by this.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Thing, and I was just like, capes fit everybody. But
then also, I'm sorry, what are the fucking odds of
a bright green cape?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Like, what are the ads? There's none, they're no odds,
they don't exist.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's like a green flag. Finally, a green flag.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it's lovely, it's yours, it's everything.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Thanks plus packet. What if the cape had pockets on
the inside, we.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Should have sown some inn for you. I don't have
any green on Sorry, I'm Jewish. It's okay, you can
pinch me. What the fuck kind of holiday?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I really did it?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Like what Irish people that they'll pick? What if that hankah?
If you didn't spin the draddle right, they just smacked
you in the face.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
That does it? We do that.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
On hankah. We don't know it's hankah. But look, I
think pinching is definitely a thing that drunk people do.
I just think everything if you trace anything of the
holiday corned beef, Okay, that's someone that someone that was
trying to cure some beef and they fucked.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It up or pork or whatever that shit is. It's
like a salt like that you have to chew. They
forgot they were boiling cabbage on the stove. They're like
so drunk.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
They're like, this cabbage is going to be amazing, impossible.
There's no way to make good nice try Grandma Anne, right,
Like Irish Irish soda bread disgusting. They take what they
want to be a dessert bread and they're like, but
what if we make it seventeen times more dense than

(05:16):
normal bread and then put caraway seeds in it like
a bunch of dicks. Oh, and then a sprinkling of
golden raisins surround out the torture.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, we're not a culinary people. That's why we drink.
But y'all are fun to hang out with, right, Yeah,
you knowney enough. But I can be.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Dove any money, That's what it was like, Do you
have any money?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Money? Can I have it to make up for? Though?
I had an Irish coffee for breakfast? Yea, So I
feel like someone's got to represent on this.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, no one shared the alcoholic on stage, thank you?
Speaking of I feel like every Both times they've kind
of in Indianapolis, we've kind of like set them up
for failure because the first time, there was a signature.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Cocktail in the lobby that.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Was essentially a fucking Long Island iced tea with Grenady
to it. Yes, but they called it like the Murderino
or something. So I was like, well, I should get it.
I'm here, And then so everyone was just drunk, fucking
hammer hammered, really fun.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
It was business that was really good. Is that a
puke in the aisle? I think there was a there
was a puke.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
The original puke in the isle was Portland, but I
think there was a puking situation that wasn't as funny
as to me as a person crawling up.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
The aisle, I love.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I love a good crawl to get all the way
down on the ground. But there was At the last show,
so there was a guy that was really big. It
kind of he looked like a football player and he
was in the front row and I noticed him at
first and he had his arms crossed and.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I was just like, what, oh, what's this going to be? Like?
That's that's not that common for our show.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And then during while we were talking, and while we
read our stories, I kept seeing this gesture like oh.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Then I was like, what's fucking happening?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
And then finally we get up to do the uh
the Hometown.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Because I don't wear my glasses on stage or all,
just it looks like all the extras in the.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Doors movie right now to me, you could be cardboard cutouts.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I would not know.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
I can see the shade of the white of your
teeth right now, So the back row, it's very disturbing.
I wish I could put your glasses on so I
couldn't see everything.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
George is like an owl up here.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
So anyway, it turns out this guy's wearing a boa
and what he's actually doing is clapping and going oh, yes, yes.
And I know this because then we met him in
the meet and greet and as he walked up, I
was like, I thought you were so mad at us.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
He was like girl, no, no, girl, here was no
praise be Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I will always love this city for that citizen alone.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
But then we also so we had the signature cockta him.
This is the signature headman, this is the signature yup.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
And then we did that this next show on St.
Patrick's Day, so we're like, try not to scream at us, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Everybody parties differently. Yeah, Oh, can I tell the story
I forgot to tell last night? And I'm so mad.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
About the airport? What's on about the airport? How you
left your phone at the airport?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
No, no, I have a new phone. That's more of
a brag than a story. So ten, I had a six.
I went up four anyway. No, I was mad because
last year Carol like just painted these nails as we
walked out the door.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yes, just a little. Last night we.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Were in uh, Cincinnati, Ohio, and at one point, thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
At one point I made.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
A reference to the television show w r KRP in
Cincinnati because it's like mine and my sister's favorite favorite
favorite show growing up. We were obsessed with it to
the point where and I remembered this this morning at breakfast,
and I was so angry because one of my favorite
childhood memories was this time I got the flu and
that night my fever broke like I was, I was hallucinating.

(09:47):
So I woke up in the middle of the night
and I had as we have talked about at length,
I had a clock radio that had read digital numbers
on it, and uh so, as I woke up, there
was a strange light in my room and the entire
cast of w KRAP was standing around my bed silently
staring at me, very lovingly and smiling.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
And I was like, less, can you get me a
glass of water?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I was asking them out loud, Jennifer, please, I'm so thirty,
mister Carlson, can you give me a glass of water?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And they didn't respond. They were just like, oh, that's
a ghost story. Yeah, more than anything. We're all living though.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
That's a story to get your flu shot. Everyone, that's please.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
And if you leave here tonight with anything, got a
fucking let it be that that that's a story you
don't care about from a city you don't live in.
You're welcome, everybody.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Speaking of this is my favorite murder of the poo.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, the podcast.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
This is Karen Cougara, this is Georgia Hart.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Start. We're proud, proud to be here with you too
on Karen's official Irish Day.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
No fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no
fucking way.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was gonna say, you can always tell it's going
to be a fun crowd, and I'm not fucking trying to.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Make you guys like me.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
When when you walk out in they're cheering and then
you grab the mic to say something and they're like
fuck you and cheer louder as.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's like, okay, that's right. It's like no, no, no,
we're not done yet. Yeah yeah, no, give us, it's
not your turn. Give us. Let us express ourselves please
yeah yeah, all right, no, you get to we'll do it.
Please do all about you. Wait, you do have green
on you do have green on? Green? Oh my tattoo.
I'm trying to I'm trying to get you a pure

(11:50):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know what you need is just a little shamrock
tattoo on your ankle.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Great, my mom would love that. There's nothing I love
more than when you're fucking like in line at the
bank and there's some dude in front of you that's
just just your most average bro, but he's just got
like a tattoo of like the Notre Dame fighting irishman like.
But it's like but it's like it's like there on

(12:17):
his beat. You're like half there where.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
You're like, okay, so we know you were drunk, but
what else, like, yeah, just a little regret.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Tattoo of like me and my friends. Well, your friends
aren't here anymore, forty.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Two, it's just you with the fucking tattoo and shorts on.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Apparently, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And that's not a judgment because I have a tattoo
of a salmon on my back for that very reason.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
But I was smart enough to put it somewhere where
you can't see it at the bank, that's.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
The key, unless you're wearing those low, low rise shorts.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Sometimes at the bank, I like to wear my cutout blouses.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, that's right. Summertime for some some summertime. Should we
really carefully sit down? Yes?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Okay, so this warned us multiple times backstage to be
careful when we sit down.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, I don't know. Oh oh cool.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I didn't know what level of careful, Like is it
gonna explode?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Is it going to fall over? Is it gonna pinch me? Explode? Yeah?
This can here we go? Okay, should we take turns
and I'll help you and you can't?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Mm hmm, Okay, I'm on, I'm on, Okay, you got it?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Holy shit, Oh it's gonna be about it to nai?
Is that going to get annoying. That looks really annoying.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
This is what I just imagine was someone running by
with a fan, and then I get caught in it
and choke to death just a split second.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Why is someone running with a fan on the stage?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Why, Vince, Why did you let the man run with
the fan across the stage?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I thought we had a meeting about this.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
The good thing we're gonna forgive these chairs because there's
a fucking great vane wandering around backstage.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Well, hell yeah, named Cooper Cooper. Vince.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
When we got here, he was like, could you guys
get Cooper to come back here? And we're like, who's Cooper.
He's like, you need to meet him. He's the head
of the company.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
He runs the theater. We're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
I don't want to meet anyone, okay, And then I
hear Vince go, come on Cooper, and I was like,
it's a dog.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And Cooper runs in and he's just I was trying
to put on makeup really bad. I was just get
ready for Cooper. Hi. Oh hi, Hi Cooper. Hy Cooper boy,
good boy is a good boy, very tall? Yeah? Can
I can you tell them about this podcast? It's a

(14:57):
it's a really fun podcast. It's so oh perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Okay, hi everybody, this is a this is a true
crime comedy podcast.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
That great. Oh you listen.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
A lot of a lot of Sometimes people who come
to these shows like to bring people who don't listen
to the podcast to the show, so the first time
they experienced this true crime comedy podcast is here with
us live, and so I like to speak directly to
those people at the tops of shows sometimes because you know,

(15:41):
there have been times where they've been pastors, they've been rabbis.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
They probably already a little annoyed with us because their
friend who brought them up. Fucking stop saying you should listen.
I think you'd like it. You should listen, Like, shut up, I.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Don't, And they don't get why anything we're talking about
is relevant or interesting. But what I want to address
is the fact that sometimes people get offended by the.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Combination of true crime and comedy. They think that's wrong,
they think it's bad.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
They think they're the only one to fucking put it together.
That comedy and true crime might not be a great combination.
But yeah, thank you, But we just want to explain
to those people that we understand that true crime are story.
It's basically a genre of media and stories about the

(16:29):
very worst thing that could happen to somebody, the very
worst thing. So that combined with comedy seems disrespectful or offensive,
but actually the comedy runs parallel because we are people
who very much enjoy reading about and talking about true crime,
but we also have comedic personalities and always have. It's
the way we release pressure, it's how we process horrible

(16:52):
things in this world.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's what you and a lot of people do to
get by. And so if you it's not the clapping part.
So if you.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Signed this concept is offensive, or just the fact that
two women are talking for.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
An hour is offensive. There's a lot of things people
get upset.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
About, we cordially and respectfully invite you right now to
get the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Or if you're just really jealous of Karen's amazing cape,
or if you're.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Jealous, uh huh, you're jealous of my cape and I'm
sorry you get out.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
God, I want to hear the backstory of that cape
so badly.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh my god, Well I'll tell you I just had
a vision.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Okay, great, the Saint Patrick's Date Parade, Princess wore this cape.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
In nineteen seventy four. Her mom made it last minute.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
They were both drunk, and then there was highland dancing after.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Uh oh wow, yeah, I bet you're right Irish psychic.
All right, I'm first you are Georgia. Right, good to know,
good right? Thanks? All right. This is a local story, obviously,

(18:24):
that's what how we do it, yep, And it's a
rough one.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
But so many people wrote have written to us about it,
and in fact we did. It was on a minisode
in twenty seventeen that someone wrote in So I thought
it's something that like, not everyone knows about, and I
hadn't really known much about it either, So let's fucking
learn about the Richmond Hill explosion.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Controversial, I know, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Noises, noises, noises of all kinds.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
So on the night of November tenth, twenty twelve, an
explosion rocks the Richmond Hills suburban residential neighborhood in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
More than two hundred people are evacuated.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
About one hundred first responders and investigators are at the scene.
Eighty six homes are damaged or destroyed, dozens are demolished,
and the worst part two innocent people died in the
house next door of the explosion. The event turns into
the most complicated homicide case ever in the state of Indiana.

(19:33):
Fucking bananas, all right, let's start with the shitty people.
Monserit Shirley is born into a poor family in Puerto Rico.
She spends her childhood watching wealthy Americans vacation in her hometown,
and she wants to be like them and sets her
sights on working in medicine. In nineteen ninety, she is

(19:54):
accepted to a nursing school in Michigan. So at twenty five,
she meets a manufacturing technician named John Shirley and they
start dating.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He supports her through nursing school.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
They get married, They get a nice house, a little
house in Indianapolis, where he is a pharmaceutical company rep
at Eli Lilly.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wonderful Pills.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Everybody, hooray for pharmaceuticals. Really, I don't know who fucking
started it, but whoever wrote, whoever made the meme. If
you can't make your own seratonin store bought is fine.
I'm going to get a tattooed on my meaty cavs

(20:38):
for the.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, do it medicated and motivated. That's my favorite one.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yes, there's just so many positives to be medicated.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
So eventually she becomes a registered nurse at the ICU
at the community hospital on the south side of town,
and she gives birth to their daughter Brook in two
thousand and three. They she's like bugging him to move
into a nicer neighborhood and they move into Richmond Hill.
But John's of course worried about the cost, but he
lets her build her fucking dream home, which is not

(21:10):
how you budget money.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
He got that Lily mundy. Yeah, like there wasn't around
that roller bag. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Of course she goes way over budget and their mortgage
is much higher than they so they scrape by. They
fight all the time. He eventually gives her an ultimatum, him.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Or the house. She chooses the house. Jesus, A nice house. Wow.
They filed for bankruptcy and divorce.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
As it one does, I kind of go hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, So she keeps the house, takes over the mortgage,
and keeps custody of their eleven year old daughter. But
then in November twenty eleven, four months after her divorce,
Monsteret's friend take her out clubbing at a place called
crazy Town.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Is it the best after party?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I bet it's not.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I've got crazy Town and every other city. Crazy Town
is the best place to go.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You have to be so fucking drunk to walk into
crazy Town.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You have to be like black out. So yeah, smell it.
That's the name a boys band. Isn't it crazy Town?
Is it crazy Town? Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, not in the least.
I heard hometown.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
No, it's no town.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Okay, I missed all of that.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, I'm okay. She goes to crazy Town looking for fun.
I do that all the time. And she attracts the
eye of a dude across the room.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
His name is Mark Leonard Boo, and he makes it
no secret he's got a lot of cash on him,
which is really I'm a germaphobe and that's just disgusting.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well that's that's first of all. Now I'm doing the
other one. If it's the hand is lower, that's as
If it's up, it's great.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, don't be don't judge. Wants of cats.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, they put the cash in savings and it'll comp
the interest will come down for one day exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Don't take your money to crazy town. That's what Georgia
always tells me.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
And then that move of like, oh I got your drink.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Great, hand them a credit card, don't like, get your
wad of cash. If red green.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Flag, it's a green flag for me, is a green flag.
I love money. And he has a Hummer parked outside,
so she's like, wait a second canceled, canceled, canceled, But.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
It was twenty twelve, remember when everyone was like no, no,
that was earlier.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Okay, but it's also gross. The funniest thing in the
world was in people.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Of course in Lass Angelis probably had them first. People
Driving around in hummers in Los Angeles is one of
the funniest things because you can't get anywhere. There's a
thousand cars, and then here comes this fucking military grade
vehicle coming down Sunset Boulevard.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
We're just like, fuck you, yeah, tiny dick. Yeah sorry sorry,
that's sexist, but that's sexist. Actually that's sexism, and you
guys applauded it, and we're going.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
To cancel you on social media.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
We're closing this club down. Okay, what were we talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Up?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And it's down up all right, they hit it off.
They're fucking assholes.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
They go home together, okay, in a hummer, in a
hummer together with a wad of cash, sitting shotgun with
the seatbelts on. Yes, one night turns into three. We've
all had those dates.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
They're amazing, twenty four hour dates. Fuck you know what.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I officially apologize to the hummer guy.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was wrong.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, I didn't have one of those on mine Invince's
first date because I didn't want to seem like a slut.
But really I really just wanted to sleep with him.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Why didn't I just do it?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And I'm not the idea that you don't want to
seem like a slut to the guy you want to fuck?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
What a fucked up culture? We wit no events? Now
you've been been like, great, let's fuck. He doesn't care.
All right now you know now I know slut it. Yes,
you don't. Here's the thing you don't have to buy.

(25:42):
You don't have to buy the book the rules. You
don't have to like nag people or literally at around.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I would say one p fifteen at a bar, pick
the one you want and make eye contact and go,
I will fuck you.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Bring your own condoms you don't need it. Do you
have a kindom, Bring a fucking condo. Let's get it done.
Pale stuff like that. They love it. They love it.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's been our advice corner to you. From what I
can remember from the nineties, they love it all right.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
They go home one day turns into three things happen.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Like for example, example like here's you're just gonna give
us a couple of k I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Mark moves in with her a few weeks later. Okay,
with her and her eleven year old daughter, green flag
red red red. Yes, don't let strange men your house
with your daughter. No, okay, Mark Leonard. Let's hear about
this idiot. He's born in Indianapolis in nineteen sixty nine.
He eventually, I put that word, and works as an

(26:53):
exotic dancer.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Not right away that one nineteen sixty nine. No, not
a baby stripper was born in NTI six nine, and
he becomes a stripper. It's like way later, good, great,
probably mid eighties, early nineties. You gotta hope.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I would hope he makes lots of cash and retires
in his forties and becomes a roofer and a mechanic
and a general contractor and a general dick.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Can I just say, I wonder if that's what he
stripped as, Like, Oh, would not be funny if he
was like, I'm a mechanic or whatever. And then it's
like whoa or like if you if you're a male stripper,
you have to become the thing you strip as. Like
so it's like I was a stripper, but now I
actually am a fireman and or a cop. And how
about retiring that you gotta been good.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Life as a male exotic dancer is hard if you
retire to become a like day laborer, like to have
a really fucking hands on, crazy job.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Look, we all suffer by the beauty standards that this
culture puts on us women more, but still everybody does.
We've seen Magic Mike.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
We know we know what those poor poor strippers went through.
By the way, if you get a chance to go
to Las Vegas and go to the Magic Mike strip show,
I am not kidding, it is worth every dollar you
will spend.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
You won't believe your eyes. I'm saying that.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Like's not it's not a Chippendale situation. I'm not just
being like, eh, bachelorette part It's not that it's high art.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It's ballet.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's poorgeous, beautiful, an accomplishment. Thank you, Channing Tatum. We
don't say it enough.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Chance okay, a lot of this, oh oh, me and
my boa in the front row, just like oh okay.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
So he makes a comfortable salary, but he likes to gamble,
as we all do. He becomes he becomes a regular
that surrounding casinos. Likes to be a He likes to
be called a big spender. It says, all right, that
means you're not. It's like making up your nickname. It's
not your nickname. You're not a big spend.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Who would you do? I like ask because I wanted
to call you got hey, call me a big spender.
Excuse me, waiter? So we have more bread sticks and
call me big spnder. I'm a big spender. Can we
get some more bread sticks please? Or free bread sticks please?
I'm the big spender.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
But he becomes a regular at casinos. He buys nice
cars on motorcycles and burns through thousands and thousands of
dollars quickly. And then he meets Monserite and she falls
hard for him.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And as you know that.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
He lives big and lives like the rich tourist from
her childhood. So there's like something in her that's like, oh,
this is what success is.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
It's what she always wanted. It's like her it was
her long term goal, right.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
And so he grows close with her daughter and they
become a family, and so every but then everything changes
around eleven pm, no November tenth, twenty twelve, when a
massive explosion destroys or a hundred homes in Richmond Hill.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Some think it's the end of the fucking world.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Ashes coming down like snow and more than five hundred
calls to nine to one one are made within minutes.
And so I was looking through our hometowns that got
sent into our email, and Danielle m wrote at eleven
ten she was in the area. At eleven ten, the
loudest sound I have ever heard hit me. It penetrated
my ear drums, rattled my brain, and pulled the air
from my lungs while simultaneously lifting me off the couch.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
The front door that was dead bolted busted off its hinges,
and almost every window shattered throughout my house. And she's
just in the neighborhood wuck. My first thought was that
someone put a pipe bomb on our front porch, and
I thought, who the fuck did we piss off to
the point that they wanted to blow the us the
fuck up. Danielle, Danielle, get off that couch. Stop pissing

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people up. So houses collapse, residents run in to pull
out their neighbors from It's like, you know, everyone's trying
to help each other. Firefighters by the flames throughout night
and risk their lives to evacuate people from their homes.
In the end, they are two fatalities. The next door
neighbors to the house that exploded, John dion Longworth and

(31:09):
his wife, Jennifer dionn worked with electronics and Jennifer was
a teacher. They were in their thirties and they were
just thinking about starting a family at the time.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I know, it's fucking heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Twelve other residents are injured but survive, and ten feet
south of the explosion had collapse on itself.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So I just didn't have a couple of pictures.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I'm not going to get fucking graphic or anything, but
so this is these are the two houses, one of
them that blew up, and then that's who my fucking know,
it's fucking insane. And so the one of one house
in my neighborhood when I grew up blew up, and
I I was like four years old, and I could
still take you to the fucking house that had happened,
and I remember exactly what happened. Yeah, and it's just

(31:51):
to imagine, And it was just one house like this
just seems like it would be stuck with you forever.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
So you know when you see like because similar thing
happened in Millbrae, California, which is where a lot of
my cousins live in. It's in South South Bay and
San Francisco, and it was a gas line basically blew
up and like a block gas of gas line exploded.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
What happened recently in Boston too, I think, yeah it did,
But that is those houses are decinating. Yeah, there's just nothing.
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
So with an hours of the explosion, fire investigator Mario
Garza and police detective Jeff Wagner they find themselves assigned
to one of the largest, most chaotic incidents in the
history of Indianapolis. They analyzed the blast pattern the next
day and find the house at the epicenter of the
explosion belonged to Monsery and right next to the Longworth's house.

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Neighbors and formed police that the couple had left the
day before on a weekend getaway. Investigators initially suspect a
possible plane crash because the Greenwood Municipal Airport is located nearby,
but there aren't any plane parts in the wreckage, and
there are also theories about it being a meth lab,
but that's quickly rolled out, so experts stay to find
out that natural gas is the cause because of the

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the way some of the houses are completely leveled, which
I guess only natural gas can do. When Monster, Rea
Shirley and Mark Leonard are notified at the incidents, they say, yeah,
we were gambling at a casino out of town. We
left my daughter with her friends for the weekend. And
the gas company officials try to determine if it was
caused by a leak.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
The city pikes, but they're not finding anything wrong.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
But then they find something that leads them to believe,
I will play a piece of safety equipment. And can
you fucking believe how good these people are that they
were able to find in that a piece of safety
equipment that keeps gas from leaking into the house was
removed from Monster Shirley's home.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
How do they fucking it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And replace they know, yeah, and replace with a straight
piece of pipe. And the gas line of the fireplace
is also missing a regulator. Isn't that insane that they like?
They combed at the dude. The fire investigator had everyone
comb in the most insane way and swift through debris
just to make sure it wasn't there for days and
they never found it. The tampered gas valve caused the

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house to fill up with deadly gas, almost eight times
the pressure it normally would. But in order to have
an explosion, there has to be an ignition source, so
they find an origin in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
There's a twisted metal.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Canister in the microwave which acted as a possible detonator
and so the arsonists could set the time on the
microwave and have it all at one spark.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Okay, so it took can I sidebar this? Yeah? Always?
My sister and I had a party in high.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
School, right, we need him in a great My sister,
my parents when.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I was in high school, All of a sudden, my
parents just went on a cruise like every month. I
don't know what the fuck was going on. They were going, Yeah,
they were doubling down on their love. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
They just really needed to be together, and weave the
fuck far away from us all the time. So they
were on a cruise and we were home by ourselves.
So we had a party and we went to a
smaller high school in our town. But of course our
old next door neighbor and Andy Whittington, who was mister
party pants and went to Pedaluma High. He my sister

(35:20):
invited him, and then he invited forty five other people.
So it turned into our house turned into like like
an eighties movie high school party where things were going
fucking nuts. And at one point, and.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
We had just moved into this house too. My parents
had it built.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Oh it was like to their specifications, and my dad
and my uncle Mike and my uncle John built this
fucking house.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It was a kind of a big deal. And it
was just like there were just people. There were strange
teens everywhere.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Nightmare Yeah, strange teens, yes, strange teams the worst.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And at first we're all just trying to be like
of course, like it's cool, this is great. And then
I see some kid I've never seen before pick up
a can of beer, put it in the microwave and
hit five minutes and walk away. And I walk up
to the microphone microwave, I hit stop. I look at
Steve MORRITTZ this guy in my class, and I go

(36:19):
get them out of here now.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
And then Steve Merritt starts yelling at all.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
These people like, you guys, go to go, And meanwhile,
my sister was upstairs calling nine one one call and
Pedaluma cops on our party.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Did they come? Yoh yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
And then all the people we didn't know left and
then there was like twenty five of us.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And we're like, now we can really get drunk.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Just leave the microwave alone, especially that insane.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yes, it was just like some asshole drunk kid who
was just like, yeah, fuck you guys in five minutes.
Oh so anyway, Oh thanks for letting me.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Share my heart.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
That's so scary, okay, And then so detectives question the
homeowners again, and monsteret Uh says that when they left
the casino, they hadn't for the casino, they hadn't noticed
anything ordinary. We swear out of the ordinary in the microwave.
They didn't, don't. They deny any involvement, and they look

(37:18):
at the casino surveillance and they do show it does
show them there, but it shows them being really squirrely,
and they gamble for five minutes and then just sit
their fucking methan out, staring around like, oh, waiting for all.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Times to pass. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
And they also realized when they come through the scene again,
there's no furniture, sign of furniture, electronics, or family photos
in the house. Everything had been fucking cleared out and
there's no valuables at the time of the explosion, and
a forensic analysis of Monster EAT's finances show that she
had increased the insurance coverage on items inside her home

(37:56):
that year before the explosion and raised the value of
the property up to three hundred thousand dollars. Nothing in
my house is worth three We're going to put that
on our list of suspicious things.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yes, we are.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, including the fact that she claimed to own rare
pieces like art like Picasso, sure, but didn't.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Know the receipts for them. No, as you do.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know what it is is because I bought the Picasso.
Then I went to CBS.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I got those two septs all mixed up. I just
threw them away.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
She said, receipt in the bag, and I said, yeah,
in the bag with the Picasso?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Or do you want me to email it to you?
You know what, just throw it in there with the
insanely valuable painting that no one can touch. Actually I'm grave,
and isn't I mean, okay, uh?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
And then they're like, we we It's normal. We've dropped
our daughter off there. It's also totally normal that that
weekend we were boarding the cat at the groomers. They
even cleared out their fucking cat, but they had no
fucking no sympathy or like care for their names.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, look I love cats. I fucking get it.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yes, But like there's a couple of people in the
audience are like, what's the problem with getting the cat
out of there?

Speaker 3 (39:16):
I'm not saying leave the cat obviously, Well you can't
say I'm saying don't love the fuck is if you
said lea the cat, I'd never listened to the podcasting it,
you know, I start sweating and crying. Okay, so okay.
So a friend of Mark then comes forward to police,
and he's like, yo, dude, a week ago, Mark told

(39:38):
me that his house that Mark told him that his
house blew up and he was going to collect insurance
on it and buy a new Ferrari. And so his
friend was like, that's weird. I'm gonna go tell someone great,
good call, good call, good call, and I'll go.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Sorry, just in so many I mean we've taught I
think we've probably told close to four hundred of these
stories now, and I would I say three ninety five.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
The people tell on themselves.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I don't I don't want to educate criminals or.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Make them better. It seems like you can't, really, but
how about just shut up for two weeks? That could you?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
It's like there's some connection between fucking idiots who'll do
shit like assholes who will do shit like that, and
people who can't.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Keep their fucking mouth shut it.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And people who would pre brag about flowing their own
house up and then.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Think that all their friends would be like great and
like not be concerned about it and not be.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like, excucuse me, what did you say? I'm not okay
with that. It's a stripper that turns the music down. Sorry,
what did.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
You just say, or it's their fucking dealer at the
game at the casino and he's like, what why are
you telling.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Me those good luck players? What did you just say? Okay? Okay?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
And on the Friday before the explosion, Mark Leonard and
this is what our friend Danielle M called him and
his big bug eyed brother Bob.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Danielle. Danielle went for it, went for it.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
So Mark Leonard's big bug eyed brother Bob, spoke with
a neighbor who was a Citizen's Energy employee.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I don't know now, I'm just picturing Marty Feldman's eyes.
You know, I gore from young Franks. I think that's
do you want to see them?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
They get arrested alert, there we go. She wasn't.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Oh, look at her crying. Look at her fucking highlights.
Look at them.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
You're right, I should get highlights. I hear what you're saying.
I hear the message.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
They're like, I I mean, those guys just look like,
you know, it's like some people got a bad idea
and then they just didn't stop having that bad idea.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
This guy looks like he's from a fucking Bond movie.
That's like, that's some blowfeld shit happening over there. I'm
scared of to be near his picture. That guy.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
When his brother was like, hey, I have a nefarious
thing to do, he was like, great, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
He didn't care. He throws down his hot dog and
turns off the TV. Immediately does that last hold on
last year? Okay? Sorry, sorry, sorry, okay, all right up.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
So Citizen Energy employee uh Bob asked about the difference
between propane and natural gas and what would happen if
the house filled up with natural gas and on the
day of the explosion, another neighbor sees a white van
pulling the driveway of Monster EAT's house around two or
three and just takes all their photos and financial documents

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out of the house and loads them into the van,
because God forbid, their fucking photos would explore.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I hate them. Okay, So meanwhile, that's That's the other
thing people don't seem to think about, is that you
have neighbors and they're bored and nosey. Oh yeah, anytime
I hear one thing, I'm right. I have this weird
little window in my front where I have to stand
on my toes to look out of it.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So if you were outside doing something you looked over.
It just be like this me and my.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Crazy eyes staring at you as you did some weird things.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Unfortunately, my next our neighbor listens to the podcast, so
I can't say anything about what her family does. She's
really lovely, her kids are really fucking loud, though.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, consider this a warning.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
They're a teenager, like they're preteens. And one time, Stephen,
you're marking this and then we're going to talk about
it later. We were having a we were having.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
A hangout party for like a boxing thing of one
of a boxing We weren't having a boxing thing. There
was a boxing match going on and I don't know
any details. So Vince was showing it was a thing.
We have friends over, some of them some of them
listen pot is legal in California. Some of them like
to smoke it, and so the house was held this
smoke and then I hear a knock at the door,

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which is always the most terrifying.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Oh my god, and I open it and these two.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Like twelve thirteen year old skater boys from next door
are like, hey, we can smell pot.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Can we have some?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
And I just like slowly I said are you guys cops?
They didn't, they didn't get it. I was really funny,
fucking idiots.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And then I said no, I just closed the door.
And then I was like, it's Vince. Cut Vince. The
cops are here and I'm really young. There's a twenty
one jump Street situation today. Get me here. What's boxing?

(44:58):
Why are people hitting each other? Okay, we definitely cut
all that, Steven, cut it all.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Okay, this is tonight only, this is Indianapolis only.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Keep it in the vault.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Don't go fucking on the on the fan forums.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Telling the neighbor what everything Grogia said about her. She
is lovely.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Everyone knows teenagers suck. Okay, okay. So six weeks after okay, okay, okay,
they find evidence that the couple had taken steps to
board the cat, drop Brooke off at the babysitaters, and
leave town. Because you know, twice previous previous attempts to
do the same fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
So this is a third attempt and it finally work.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Police officers discover that Mark Leonard is being sued civilly
by multiple women who accuse him of scamming them out
of money through online dating.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Sites. Don't trust anyone until you've known them four years.
I'd say, right, Wait, so is that how you got
that big lot of money for poor ladies? Yeah? Probably,
and the roof I don't know that is good money.
Actually it's really not. But you you have to know
the skill. You have to have skills.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
And he'd previously been accused of insurance fraud before, so
he's just a fucking fraud stress.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Six weeks after the deaths of Dion and Jennifer Longworth,
investigators arrest Monster Shirley, Mark Leonard and his brother Bob Leonard,
and they're all charged with an insurance fraud in two
counts of murder. In twenty thirteen, Mark's Mark in jail. Hey,
he's hanging out in jail already in big trouble. Asks
a jail house informant for a hitman connection. Because he

(46:34):
is smart, he wants to kill an important witness against him.
He ends up calling an undercover agent asking him to
make it look like a suicide, and the undercover.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Eden's like, yeah, I could totally do that.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Sure, that's not a problem, And so he's additionally charged
with conspiracy to commit murder. I thought that even his
jail house at format was.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Like, this guy sucks.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
He's carrying around a lot of news his paper and saying,
call me big spender. I feel like, when you're in
jail you should know and again to please don't tell
the criminals. I said this, but you should know that
everyone around you is a jail house informent.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Like it's not like every time we hear that in.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
The story, I go, how did the cops? Why are
they so smart that they knew to put someone in there?
It's like, no, no, but just a dude going, oh,
did you just give me something? It could shave a
couple of years off my ills existence in this place.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, let's do it. How fucking stupid?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yes, okay, it's just this cocky like narcissism that you
think you're somehow going to trick people.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, you're smarter than everything exactly.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
So prosecutors spend two years building their case. They have
one hundred and seventy five witnesses, six weeks of testimony,
and three thousand pieces of evidence, and they initially try
to seek try to try the suspects together, but they're
they're the judges the whole time.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
The judge is like.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Fuck you guys, like he hates these people, and he
casts being like nope, nope, nope. So the trials then
start in twenty fifteen. Before Mark's trial, prosecutors offer to
drop the murder charges against Monstere in exchange for her
testimony against Mark, and she pleads guilty to two counts
of conspiracy to commit arson to receive a lesser sentence,

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and she.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Insists that the plan was Mark's idea from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
They'd only been together a few weeks when he encouraged
her to increase her assurance policy policy.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
She says she didn't.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Want to go through with it, but he eventually wore
her down and she did it out of love for him,
which is not a fucking excuse.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Now, don't bomb anybody out of love for anybody else.
It should be in the Bible, But since they didn't
put it in there, I guess we'll try to spread
it around.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
The best way to show your love for someone is
to say I love you. Yeah, that's it. Maybe bring
him some coffee when they don't expect it. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,
it doesn't have to be a bomb situation.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Now they use her testimony to show that he was
willing to do anything for the money. And she's a
compelling witness. She's emotional and distraught, And on August twelfth,
twenty fifteen, it takes the jury four hours to return
their verdict.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Guilty on every single count.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, Marc is sentenced to two consecutive terms without life
of life without parole, plus an additional seventy five years
on fifty three counts including murder, arson, and insurance fraud.
Seven months later, on March eighteen, twenty sixteen, his big
eyed brother Bob receives a sentence of life without parole.
And there's all these other people who are part of it.

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Gary Thompson is sentenced to twenty years. Glenn Holtz, who
knew about the scheme and kept the daughter at their house,
is sentenced three years in prison, and Monsteret is sentenced
from fifty sentenced to fifty years in prison. She could
get out in twenty thirty seven at the earliest, and
her sentence in order the judge emphasizes that she could

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have stopped the plane at any time but didn't. On
top of the four point five million in damages, at
least half a dozen marriages and the Richmond Hill neighborhood
ended in divorce in the years immediately following the blast.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I wouldn't blame the blast. That's come on.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
I wonder a lot of people were just like, oh
my god, not like anything could happen at any moment.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yes, I need to go live my life. I get
and then they look over at their spouse and they're like,
I'm gotta get out of here. That's a good point, yeap.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
And more than one third of the families who lived
in the neighborhood of the night of the blast have
since moved away for good, good, fucking, bright, shiny horizon.
Mark Leonard died of natural causes on Tuesday, January thirtieth
and twenty eighteen at the Indianapolis Hospital. He was forty
eight years old. Natural causes at forty eight syphilis.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Right, he might actually he might have had Hommer's disease.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
A lot of cash just fucked up the water. Cash
fucked up his hip.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
A house has not been built where the Longwort's house
once stood, but a pear tree planted by Don Longworth
still grows in the yard where he and his wife
Jennifer's house once stood, and that is the fucking Banana's
Richmond Hill explosion.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Wow, thank you blown away. That was sorry that I
just shit, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Don't like that kind of comedy, but that was.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Amazing, thank you. Yeah, it's not insane.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Also, because it's like it's like the twenty four hour
news cycle, we were like, no, I remember this, but
it might be a.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Different explosion, Like you hear this thing and then you
just don't hear the aftermath.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, exactly. It's not local news. Yeah, so you got
to dig, you gotta care.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Okay, I've one looking for a true crime story from Indianapolis.
Googled Indianapolis true crime story and I'm want to start right,
but usually that's the beginning, and then you spend all
this time.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Putting in like bizarre or historical.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
You're just trying to get something like interesting, that's a
good story to dell.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
This was the first article I clicked on. Wow, and
it's the murder of Ariss Marjorie Jackson. Is her name
Airis or shean Airis? Aris?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Marjorie Jackson, Marie Harris Harris, No I know. Okay, So
this article that I found was written by Tim Evans
of the Indianapolis Star and it was from twenty fifteen,
and they put together this story because it was the
fortieth anniversary of the crime.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
And in it he quotes a book about the case.
It was written by pular surprise winning Indianapolis Star reporter
and editor Dick Katie.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
And that book is called Scavengers, A True Story of Money,
madness and Murder. And I want to read it really bad.
I need so much more. Okay, So we are talking
about Marjorie Jackson.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Oh my god, that hat was in the vintage shop
for real.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Many this might be her cape. So she looks like
my grandma, Marjorie O'Connell. Is how she grew up. She
comes from what Dick Katie refers to as a quote
hard scrabble background, right, hard scrabble. So she wasn't good
at scrabble.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Come on, you're not into that kind of comedy.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
No, I hate comedy, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
But all that changes the day that Chester Jackson walks
into Murphy's five and dime in downtown Indianapolis, where Marjorie
is working. They hit it off and soon Marjorie hards gravel.
Marjorie discovers Chester Jackson is fucking loaded. Okay, so it
turns out Chester's father was Lafayette Andrew Jackson.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
He started the Standard grocery business. He opened the first
Kroger in Ohio. My god, Menimma by So who would
have fuck that? Fucking supermarkets was like big money.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, supermarkets, supermarkets in the twenty the tens, twenties and thirties.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I mean it's in the name supermarket.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah it is still super that's crazy, crazy money.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, So here's how it went. Chester's father started the Standard,
So he basically opened the first Kroger's in Ohio. Then
he he basically sold the chain and bought the Standard
grocery business or whatever. He just kept kind of like
buying up and.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Buying out, making a ton of money and then buying
buying out places.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
He actually sold the Amp. He was the owner of
the Amp grocery store chain, and he sold that and
then it like immediately went out of business. Like he
was just a very astute business person. Yeah, let's give
him some props.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, but he is shot and killed in a robbery
in one of the grocery stores that he owns. So
in nineteen thirty one, Chester takes over the family business.
So he manages very well, but it's basically like he
has a ton of money, then he makes more money
on that money, and we know how that goes in
today's America. And so when he sells the entire chain

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American grocery in nineteen forty seven, he makes, of course
millions and millions and millions of dollars. And this is
around the time when he walks into that five and
dime and meets Marjorie. Just like a terrible John Mellencamp song,
the problem is good old Chester. Jackson's married, and so

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Marjorie's like, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
And they carry on.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
What is referred to as a not so secret affair
for years, which I would love. And when I read
the book, I will then know the details of that
not so secret affair.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
But touch her ankle in public or on the bus,
So I'm sure it was just he was like a
super rich guy that could do whatever the fuck he wanted,
and his wife is like, fine, I'll stay home and
take pills and look out the window.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It's not a bad life. It's not a bad it's
not she cannot smoke indoors. Cats that life. Yeah, many cats.
You get, some really like high grade cats.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You just get your decanter of gin, put on your stories.
You're fine, okay. Now, Miraculously, in nineteen fifty two, Chester
actually does the thing all men say they're going to do.
Any divorces his wife and Mary's Marjorie. There's a second
marriage for both of them, so it was the real thing. Look,

(57:10):
stop judging their love, as sinful as.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
In nineteen fifty four, they move into a very fancy
house and expensive at the timehouse on spring Mill Road
in Indianapolis. You live there, it's the best road here. Oh,
you should see how gorgeous the asphalt is. So they

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never have children, but that doesn't matter because they have
so much money that they treat their money like children.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
All the money gets their own room. They ignore it,
go out and play. Okay.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So here's the thing though, Back in the day, grocery
stores used to be cash only businesses because of course,
credit cards either didn't exist or were very rarely used,
and you could not write a check usually at a
grocery store unless people knew you personally, so they're rarely checked.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
So it was a cash business.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
So essentially, Chester and I'm sure his dear old dad
Andrew Jackson. They basically would take home the money from
the grocery stores and hide it in their house.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Millions of dollars they would stash it. So because he
also he didn't want to pay taxes on it. Of
course he didn't. Nobody wants to wants to pay taxes
on their money. We can do it. Yeah, you just
have to do it. But he but of course he
doesn't think he has to. So he is. Their entire
house is just filled with money, with cash everywhere. It's
also in safety deposit boxes and banks around town and so.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
But for the most part, he's he's got their houses
filled with cash. It's a fire hazard because of cash.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
So then in nineteen seventy, Chester dies and sixty year
old Marjorie with a fourteen million dollar fortune. Fuck so Marjorie,
uh is I don't know if she already had been
with the details we'll come and scavengers by Dick Katie.
But she becomes a bit of a kookie recluse. You

(59:18):
you as one would want, yes, fun, Now it's my
time for pills and gin.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
She's like, let's do this. She rarely leaves the house. Yeah,
what for? She talks to birds and squirrels. Okay, yes,
I mean I've done that.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I mean they're fun to talk to because they keep
it zipped.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Wait, is that a problem to talking of squirrels.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
It's absolutely not. Okay, as long as it doesn't get
in the newspaper.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Okay, as long as you're not talking to it like
it's a normal conversation.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Are you hearing anything back from the squirrel? No, and
then you're fine.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Okay, great, Yeah, if you hear the squirrel talk back
tele a friend, she shouts racial epithets.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Now there's where I am. I Yeah, we knew we
were going to run into something. Yeah, it's nineteen seventy eight. Six.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
So she also tells people the people she does see
and talk to who are hearing her yelled bad words
and talk to squirrels. She also tells them she's growing
money out of the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Oh no, how old is she forty two?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
She's just well, now she's sixty six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I believe it's like that age to go fucking batch.
Just lose it. Yeah, definitely, stop stop dying your roots.
Yeah you're kind of still hot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yeah, but you could be like, I'm just gonna put
one eyelash on today, like you could just do that
kind of shit. Yeah, that's when it gets your vision's
very poor. You're not putting on glasses to put on lipstick.
You're like, I know where my mouth is. Get away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Really long, chin harls. Oh yeah, boop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So in nineteen seventy six, Marjorie learns that an employee
at the bank where she has she took her money
and she put about nine million dollars of it in
the bank, they say. But then she learns that an
employee at the bank where she made that deposit, whose
name was Herbert D. Biddle, which says, if that wasn't
a script, I'd be like, I think we should change this.

(01:01:27):
It's not it's kind of goofy, but this is real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
He embezzled seven hundred thousand dollars from her wow, out
of her cap, right in front of her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yes, because she was like, the squirrel told me I
should come in and look at my money today, and
he was like, that's right, Marjorie, Yes, sign this and
sign this way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
No stole it behind her back. He's camped. He serves
ten years for embezzlement.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
She goes from kookie recluse to full on Lunatic Millionaire.
So what she does is she spends she spends the
next few months pulling all the money out of all
of her bank accounts across town. There was multiple So
between January and May of nineteen seventy six, Marjorie cashes
out her entire fortune, which is oh so sorry, it

(01:02:16):
was eleven million total. Yeah, it's more than that, it's fourteen.
But she takes nine million out of the Indiana National Bank.
It's now Chase. Sorry, we're all just it's all going
to become just Chase. Like we're like, do you want
to get fast food or go to the bank, or

(01:02:37):
go to the grocery store, or go to the hospital.
Let's go to Chase. There's a really good show on
Chase tonight. Okay, stopping negative, Karen. She takes nine million
out of the India National Bank and an estimated additional
two million from other bank accounts.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So what she'd do is she'd show up at the
bank with a suitcase. Yes, she'd asked for a million
dollars in one hundred dollars bills. Fuck, and then she'd
go walk out of the bank with the suitcase like
real side to side for no reason, beautiful vintage suitcase, Yes,
flowers on it. Then she'd go home and hide the

(01:03:20):
cash and closets, toolboxes, vacuum cleaner bags, garbage cans and
another spots around her house and she would squirrel it away. Ah,
the squirrels told me. The squirrels told me to put
this here. And she always had a bunch of cashews
in her cheek.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Anyhow, everybody, okay, So of course word spreads around town.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You know. Herbert D.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Biddle from the jail, was like, guys, listen, you're fools.
You don't get up to that house on sphere you
grow up from jail. It's me a deepiddle. I'm bald
and glasses. You can see me in your head right
now because my name is Herbert D. Biddle, Buncket watch vest.

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Word spreads through town that Marjorie has millions of dollars
hidden in her home, which is you have to think about.
That's like if you want to look at you know,
there's a there's a house in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
They just call it the Murder House.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Where a dad tried to kill his whole family one night,
and the House Murder Mansion, the Losteless, Murder mansion, and yeah,
they the rumor was that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It was all closed up and you can still see
the Christmas tree and the Christmas presents or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
But that was like, its kind of not really the truth,
but everybody goes and looks at it because you're just like,
holy shit. Imagine if you found out that there was
just like a crazy old lady in a.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
House full of cash. Yeah, like it's such a security issue.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I mean, that's why people don't keep cash in their house.
No should they, No, they shouldn't, or in their vacuum
cleaner bag. Guys, get a savings account, you know, get
a high yield savings account.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Put your money in there. Let it increase overtime because
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Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
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podcast references, get podcast work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Okay, millions of dollars in cash in one hundred dollars
bills in a house with a crazy lady. So on
May second, nineteen seventy seven, to nineteen year olds named
Walter Bergen Junior and Douglas Howard Green break into Marjorie's house.
They steal diamond necklaces, watches, a pearl necklace, diamond rings,
and then in going through one of Marjorie's closets, they

(01:05:54):
find eight hundred and seventeen thousand dollars in one hundred
dollar bills. They take that too, Yeah they do, Yeah,
they do, puly shit, yes, yeah, in today's money. Oh
my god, that's easily two point seven million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah. Why didn't I today's money that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I'm sorry, I was so pro frastinating. It's a ton
it's over double. Let's just say that and agree to
it and move on. And why don't you have another
beer and stop checking my math?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Oh, someone's defensive. Okay. Marjorie doesn't report the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
When the police ask her about it, she says, the
teenagers are lying. Mind your own business. Wow, God as ballsy,
as fun hero hero hero except for the racism part.

(01:06:57):
I love it so much, hi like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
But of course, Bergen and Green brag about the robbery
all over town up. So the police go to Marjorie's
house with an attorney who works for the prosecutor's office
named Tommy Thompson.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yep, who was who was actually the one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Who tackled Harold de Biddle, Herbert d. Bittle shit forgotta
forgot to cancel that joke. And they go to Marjorie's
house to say, we know these guys did it. We've
caught them bragging about it. We need you to press charges.
It was one of the coldest days of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Marjorie met them at the end of the driveway in
her nightgown holding a gun. Oh, it was a toy gun,
but they didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Oh, and she told them to get off her property. Oh,
they didn't shoot her dead because she's white.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
They left, They left, left.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Bergen and Green were later caught and arrested for the
robbery and for being stupid. Okay, so, despite Marjorie's threats
and reclusiveness, it happens again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Of course, it's like, yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
This is This entire story is like a prequel to Fargo.
There's so many parallels and characters all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It's insanity. So on May second, nineteen seventy seven, Manuel
Robinson and Howard Billy Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Willard for really Willard. Oh shit, I think I have
I think I have another picture. Oh no, wait I
had Marjorie. Oh I do Oh, let's say, this is
the house and she let it this was this Wow, shit,
I should have done the comparison. This was a really

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nice house when they moved in. It was a really
nice house. And this is what she let it turn
to with her ramblings and her squirrel talk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
You got the Christmas lights you're around?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, you got here. That thing to hire?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
You have?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
You have one hundred dollars bills everywhere you turn.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Get a boy and have a go through this place
with a weed wax.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, yeah, not have another one. Sit security all day,
yeah and night.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Just take your fake gun and sit on the front porch.
Just you greedy, eat old nut.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Okay, okay. So Robinson and Willard break into the house.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And they steal a million dollars in cash and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
They get away with it. So two days later they
go back from war.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Oh because it's a house filled with cash and an
old lady who doesn't care that people are stealing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Her money or something. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
But this time when they're in the house trying and
they literally are taking bags of cash.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Out of the house as like like they're just like
the end of time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, it's almost like an episode of Hoarders, but instead
of garbage. It's one hundred dollars bills.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Oh my. Marjorie confronts them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
In the kitchen and they shoot her and kill her
in her home. They end up stealing two to three
roughly million dollars in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Cash each fuck each.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Yeah, So to cover up the murder, they start a
fire as they leave the house. But they're dumb, as
many criminals are, and they do a bad job with
starting a fire, and a house filled with money, they
can't they can't get it to burn.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
So the fire they set just smolders for hours. Oh
and basically after I think one article said hours later
and another said several days later, somebody notices this oak
and finally the fireman come.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
And this is in the seventies when they like sprayed
flammable shit on every surface of your house.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yes, if she, if she had that nightgown on that
she confronted the cops.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Those were made of matches. I held up that. I
don't know why they did that. And the little clip
was a lighter Ooh, you could always smoke a cigarette.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I held up a nightgown to Karen today at the
Vinch Chopper, like, look, I kid, this is and you said, uh,
it'll light right up on Christmas morning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Okay, you're right, put it back. My father has done
a reparable damage to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
And I see fire everywhere, and I start fires everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
So if the fireman finally came, they find Marjorie's body,
as well as another five million dollars in cash that
none of these, none of the four thieves could find,
oh my, because it had been stored in a gallon
trash can tucked inside a closet. So as they were
going through all the other shut they're like, no, that's garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Don't look in there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, in the closet. No, that's trash. That's a trash can.
That's the that's the closet can.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yeah. People need that sometimes to throw shoes away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Actually, it would be a good idea if I never
get rid of clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I'm always like I'll I was gonna say, grow back
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I'll slim down back into I won't get rid of anything.
It should there should be a garbage can there. I'm like,
give it up, you're never gonna wear this sailor shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
I have a weird corner where I tuck the things
that I'll want to give away. And want to sell
and want to maybe fit back into one day and
then it's like a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Tucky thing that you can't see.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, and then Mimi sleeps on it for a fucking
months and I take it out and there's just this
gene of fur and then it's trash.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah. Have you ever done I've done this a couple times.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
When I drop clothes off at the goodwill or the
place near my house, there will be enough dog hair
on the clothes I'm dropping off where I try not
to make sure no one sees me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
These are good clothes, but you're going to have to
roll the shit out of these clothes. Apologies. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
So here's Detective Dave Paschal or Pashchal or Peshkal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Counting some of the cash. Well, look at him. That's
not Herbert, no Ah, that's his brother Dave By, his
brother in law, Dave by marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Look at the look on his face is like, I
have to count it and I don't get to have
any This is bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
After that photo was taken, he was going one for
me for you. No oh, well, well, dog.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Here that idea when investigators search the house. Uh, And
this is the part I really, I don't have enough
information on from my own satisfaction. When investigators search the house,
all the doorknobs are and heating vents are covered in
aluminum foil.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
What does that mean? Baked potato? That'd be Saint Patrick's day. Everybody,
what does it mean? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Oh, there's no answer, and she's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I thought it was their lady. Isn't there to explain
what I thought I was making. It's some kind of
part of the plot or something.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
It's part of the plot, and that it's the set
decorator's really going to have to do some aluminum foil
work on this prequel that we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
To produce, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I think it's just indicative of a of a mine
that's gone off by itself.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Wandered away from the picnic table because they you know,
what else she does.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
But they also find thousands of small wrapped gifts around
the house with labels like to Jesus from Marjorie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Jackson, ooh yeah, to God love Marjorie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Oh you always you hear about gifts from God, but
no one ever talks about giving gifts to God.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Repent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
They open some of these gifts just to make sure
there's not one hundred dollars bills stuffed inside of them,
because that's not the kind of money that Jesus uses bitcoin.
He's a bitcoin guy, totally digital. Jesus inside, instead of

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being valuables, are cash.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
They find a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Stack of washregs, fifty loaves of bread, around one hundred
pounds of coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I mean, we don't know Jesus personally, maybe that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
But here's the thing, as we know from the Bible.
If you care about the Bible like I do, you know,
Jesus doesn't need you to give him bread. He can
make it himself. It's one of his best tricks. Do
not gift Jesus bread. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
He's like thanks, He's like got a he's basically as
a bakery and he's and you're giving him bread.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, I'm good. What do you was up fishes? No? No, no, no,
I got ah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
But then he's like ooh, washrags, yes, you can always
use washrags, but also coffee, cakes, cards, Dear Jesus and more.
All intended to be gifts for Jesus and his dad,
which is nice if you believe she also laid out
the dining room table in her finest china and best silver,

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because she was preparing for the feast she and Jesus
would have when he came back. To quote the great
Tiffany Hattish, she ready, she ready?

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Oh honey. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So in days and weeks after the robbery, the two
men responsible. So basically, I'm going to spoiler alert the
two men responsible are Billie Joe Willard and Manuel Robinstone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
I told you that already. Yes, it's not a spoiler.
Forgive me. I'm not following my own story. I'm so shit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Fased you would not believe it. Okay, Willard and Robinson
split up. One smart move they do, and they play
it super cool. Of course they don't, not in the least. Okay,
So here's this is Billy Joe and his girlfriend Marjorie
Pollett because it's nineteen seventy eight and everyone's named Marjorie.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean, can we talk about that upper lip mustache?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Is it a mustache? Yeah? Oh it's not his. I
don't think it's his lip. I thought it was chopped lip.
I'm sorry. Are those bottom or top teeth? Dewey? Is
there a dentist in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
This is from a time before there were fillers, where
if you wanted a fuller upper lip, you just had.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
A growth, you know, and make it appear.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
These some people have lips like this, Millennials.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
You don't know that because everyone, yeah, everyone fills their lips.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
But yeah, there were times where you just didn't get
a lip.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
And you had to make do and it gave you
a better personality.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Okay. Meanwhile, Marjorie had it all.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Yeah, look at her with her condescending eye lids.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Holy shit, those eyebrows. Why is that called not suppuku?
But the other one?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Oh, I don't know, the one I couldn't that I
named incorrectly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
What about the eyebrows though they don't exist? The ghosts,
they're ghost brows. Her foreheads haunted. I just do like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
People used to have hair like this, and it was
like it didn't matter what your face looked like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
You had to have literally four feet of hair going
like it was full on March Simpson. Like you couldn't
even put your finger through it. No, it was so
spray you couldn't get near it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
That was actually what would ignite the match robe or
match nightcount was the hair spray. It was like a
full can of aquin It inside your mom's hair.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
History.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Okay, So here's what they do, Marjorie and Billy Joe.
They're like, we're gonna go to Arizona that you guys
don't have that accent hair do They just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Three billion dollars and you're like, how about Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Arizona, that's what we're gonna do. Well, I think the
idea was they were gonna lay low.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Okay. The problem was that when they got there, they
bought two RVs with cash, Yes, with one hundred dollar bills.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
So the people selling r v's are just like, ye,
He's like, uh yeah, take that one, and I want
that one over there too.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
They're like, it's a Winnebago, sir, you just need one? No,
I want both. So that Winnebago salesman called the police.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
And then meanwhile, Manuel Robinson, who stays in town, made
the exact same mistake. He goes with a friend and
buys They buy two brand new Lincoln Continentals with one
hundred dollar bills, which I'm sure has happened for buying
cars with cash isn't insane? Isn't the weirdest thing? But
what's weird is then they went back the next day

(01:20:41):
and bought two more.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Dude, I mean, play it the slightest bit cool, can't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
They can't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
They're like, we have six hefty bags of one hundred
dollar bills we want people to know. So of course
all these bills are traced back to the bills that
were given to Marjorie when she did all of her
big withdrawals. And so Manuel and Billy Joe arrested. Billy

(01:21:09):
Joe's actually extradited. I think, yeah, he's actually he and
Marjorie are extradited.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
There's them coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
That's them on the tarmac and the cops taking them away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Where are there winnebagos? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
I just like that things are circled, but they you
can't see anything, like you're like, yep, I see the circles.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Two circles, for sure. So it did happen, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
So when Manuel gets arrested, he lives with his girlfriend
Annie's apartment. So they come to arrest him and then
they search her apartment and they find about a half
a million dollars hidden throughout her home. So he was like,
that's he took a tip from from Marjorie Ridge, and
so there was cash in her nightstand, in her dresser,

(01:22:04):
and in a suitcase.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Under the bed. There was a suitcase under the bed
that had one point five million dollars in cash in it.
Can you fucking imagine taking a nap atop one, Oh,
the relaxation, You would just not be worried for fucking once. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Also, I forgot to tell you that while they were
in Arizona, and after they were extradited, they of course
separated the two of them and Marjorie Marjorie Pollett, the girlfriend.
The authorities go to interview her and she tells them
exactly where in the Arizona desert she and Billy Joe

(01:22:42):
buried two boxes of one hundred dollars bills totaling one
point six million dollars in cash. So literally this is
like a screen for screen reenactment of Fargo, but instead
of snow and Steve Buscemi with his face, it's fucking
Billy Joe and his girlfriend out in the desert digging.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Apparently it was a really shallow hole too. It's just
like they're like dick, dick, all right, They're like, can
I pay someone to do this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
We're rich now, no, like they were obsessed with keeping
everything in boxes or drawers. Don't spend the money, squirrel
it away. Okay, okay, fine, I told you that part.
Oh here's those guys when they were being arraigned. So
that's Manuel and that's his girlfriend Annie right there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Caught. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
So Billy Joe Willard is pinned as the mastermind of
this whole plan. So he's tried and found guilty of
the murder of Marjorie Jackson. He gets life in prison
at the Indiana Reformatory.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Good. Oh, here's him in court. Oh is he British? Now? Yeah,
he became a soccer coach or what I like to
call football anyway, Okay, he's like guilty. What do you
mean guilty? Look at the look on his face. It's

(01:24:09):
also shocking when it's like, yeah, you know, you went
into the old lady's house twice and stole five million
dollars and one hundred dollars bills. We caught you. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
So he uh he goes to jail at the Indian
and Reformatory in nineteen eighty seven. Uh, he collapses while
jogging and dies.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
So that's the end of his story jogging in prison. Prison.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
It's there's this one part of the prison yard that's
just such a gorgeous jog.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
There's a river, there's a river front trail.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
I mean, I get that you want to stand shape
in prison, but personally, I'd be like, now I can
let myself go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
You know, wouldn't you think yeah, it's like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Or you'd be like, if you're going to exercise, do
the thing that makes you look like someone can't shivet
you in the night, you know what I mean, Like
jogging around like jog that's like just wanting to paint
a target on your back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So he kind of collapsed. They didn't even say why.
Perhaps a blow.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Dart from across the prison yard of people like you're
just bugging me and we're in jail, so I'm going
to kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Manuel Robinson has tried.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
He's acquitted of murder, but he has found guilty of
robbery and arson, so he serves ten years in jail.
So forty years later, which was in twenty fifteen, an
eighty one year old investigative journalist named Don Devereaux is
talking to one of his sources about this story and
they note how odd it is that there was so

(01:25:41):
much money left unaccounted for. Yeah, so especially considering that
that Manuel and Billy Joe cooperated with the police and
told them everything got them, you know, and when they
added it all up, it was one point six million
dollars had disappeared from the boxes in the desert and

(01:26:03):
the garbage bags in the apartment, and everything disintegrated. Right. So,
through the Freedom of Information Act on Devereux obtains FBI
files on the case and he comes across two interesting things.
One one of the FBI records about this that he
requests is he gets a report that it's been partially destroyed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
It was partially destroyed in nineteen ninety three. Squirrels therefore unattainable.
And Devro says, this is the first time in researching
that he's ever experienced that with an FBI file. It
almost never happens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
So that on top of he sees in a report
that one of the case agent's names has been left
unredacted six times in the report, which is very, very uncommon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
So, like any good reporter, he looks up the name.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
And he finds the real estate and financial records of
that agent, and he finds that that agent has a
Swiss bank account that he withdrew money from to buy
a very expensive piece of property several years after Willard
and Robinson were sent to prison. So Don Devereux's theory

(01:27:14):
is that this unnamed in this article anyway, FBI agent
who was named in the report he read, skimmed some
of the stolen money that he recovered from the Arizona
Burial hiding place misreported the amount of cash that was
found and then funneled into his offshore bank account. The
FBI formally denied Don Devereux's request for further investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
No, thank you, they said, we're good. We'll decline that.
Thank you. Please take a tour of our facilities. Watched
mine hunter? Yeah, no place. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Whereabouts of the remainder of Marjorie Jackson's missing fortune are
still unknown?

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
And that is the insane story of the murder of
Marjorie Jackson. One page. What a waste? Oh my good?
How is that not a movie? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
No, I thought it'd be Scavengers. Scavenger is a true
story of money Man is a murder by Dick Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
I'm reading. Yeah, that was incredible, good job, Thank you.
Do we have time for our hometown. I think we
do well careful okay, I'm just like a bribe. But
there's then Oh you've got green on. What happened? You
have green on? That's right, and I have nothing else

(01:28:39):
to add. I'm sorry, I'm going to be out there.
We do. We need to wrap it up. Are we
need a little bit of a hurt? Okay, so this
will be a quick one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
We have to go very fast, please, because we've taken
so long.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Let me just do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Let me just tell you a couple of rules real quick,
and they're important because we have to go fast. You
need to know the beginning, middle, and end of your story.
You need to be able to tell it quick. You
can't and everyone be like, oh my god, this is crazy.
I feel so crazy. We get it and we understand
and we're crazy too, But tell the fucking story. Needs
to be from Indianapolis, please, It needs to be good.

(01:29:14):
And you can't be super drunk. Remember it's Saint Patrick's day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
We have a new one about the pointing thing. Oh yes,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
If you're pointing at a person next to you but
you haven't heard the story, you're fucking dead meat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
You will come and find you, and with that, Georgia
will choose. Do you need the lights up? Uh? Yeah,
yeah one person? Yes, come on up, we'll say oh wait, shit,
go that way. I really fucked this one up. Uh oh,
you have to go the other direction. Wait, come this way?

(01:29:48):
Can you come this way? Can you down there? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Oh shit? Yes, girl, she's hi.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
What's your name?

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Jeanie, Jeanie, It's Jeanie.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Everybody, good job. Jeanie got herself up on this fucking stage.
She doesn't need stairs. Oh with help, team, Good job.
Where are you from?

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
I live in Indianapolis now, but my story is from
my hometown, which is Bloomington, Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Okay, okay, all right, So when I was growing up
in the eighties, do I give names? Yeah? I mean
whatever you're comfortable with.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
A woman named Glendon Wineger killed her boyfriend, a bowling
supplies salesman, one night while he was sleeping, by walking
up to him, picking up a bowling ball and dropping
it on his head.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
No, so it wasn't premeditated. That's welcome, that's him Game
of Thrones. I'm up from Gabe Law.

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
She then proceeded to pick it up and drop it
again and again and then again no, and she finally
admitted to the police that she lost track of how
many times she actually picked it up and dropped it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:31:19):
So she.

Speaker 6 (01:31:21):
Admitted that she did it, and she said, and this
is not funny, but she said that she did it
because he was abusive and she was trying to get
out of the relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
And she said that before she escaped, she wanted to
hurt him as badly as she went.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
All right, So she went on trial, and the prosecutor,
to his credit, did not really argue that his whole
argument was okay. Sure, but maybe about the fifth or
sixth time picked up the bowling ball and dropped it,
it stopped being about self defense and became more first

(01:32:02):
degree murder.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
So anyway, she had a really good defense team, and
the judge in Monroe County at the time received a
lot of letters from women supporting her and saying we
understand this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Yes, So she was charged with his first degree murder.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
But anyway, ultimately she was convicted of manslaughter, and the
judge mentioned in his sentencing that he had received all
these letters, and she was sentenced to eight of a
possible twenty years and she did her time and she
was released, and I did some checking and she actually
went on and got married and then died many many

(01:32:46):
many years later of natural causes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
So kind of happy ending.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
But my connection to this story is that obviously kind
of a sensational story, and so when the trial happened,
it was super sensational press coverage everywhere, and the data
trial opened when they were breaking for lunch, reporters everywhere
and photographers and cameras, and my mother worked in the

(01:33:14):
courthouse and so she was leaving her office as Glendon
and her report her attorneys were leaving the courtroom, and
there were reporters and everything hounding her, and my mom
said she looked kind of uncertain and frightened. So my
mom opened the door to her office and said, come
in here and wait until they leave. And so Glendon
and her attorneys came in, and my mom tried to

(01:33:37):
shut the door, and the reporters were trying to follow
into her office. So my mom said, we're closed, it's lunchtime,
and the reporters were like, it's a public office, we
can come in. And so my mom had kind of
the shoving at some shoving match with the reporters, and
so she finally pushed the door shut against them and
she turned around and she went, oh, those goddamn reporters.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Couldn't you just bash their heads?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
M hm, oh my god, Genie, Genie, everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
That was amazing. That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
To us.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
That's what's what's your mom's name? What's your mom's name? Barbara?
Barbara's still with us. He's moved on. Okay, Barbara's Barbara.
That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
You think Tom, you can go over toward this, He'll
get you off the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
That's yours? Yeah, yeah, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Holy shit, Geenie. We've had a weekend. We that this
is our first show. Every night, it's been a fucking
great hometown every night.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
That was the boy. That was yeah. I mean I've
never had a run like that. Yeah, like great hometowns.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Because here's the I always have to try to anticipate
and see what she's gonna do. And I just thought
her mom was going to be in the background of
a picture, like I was like, oh, she was in
the newspaper with like a weird look on her face.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
But no, we love it when you're wrong. And she
said something that we all could picture ourselves saying.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
And been going, oh my god, I'm sorry, gosh, wells,
it's been an incredible weekend and an incredible night.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Thank you so much for having us this. This has been.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
You have been an incredible crowd and this has been
a fucking perfect show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
It's really that really, truly, truly, I means so. It
means so much to us that we get to do this.
It's obviously the most fucking fun thing in the world
to do that we get to have this as our job.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
We really we're having the time of our life. We're
doing things that we never thought we're gonna be able
to do. It's unbelievable. And we get to do it
because of you guys, because of how passionate you are
about this show, how you listen, and how you support,
and because of this community that you have built and
that you are creating together.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
It's fucking unbelievable. Oh. Speaking of which, as tappers, there
is a meetup after this, because there is a there's
a beer called Stay Out of the Forest that they're
making and three dollars of every pint goes to end
the back log.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
So go.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
Please and support that. Don't drive home, do not drive home,
but please give fifty dollars to end the backlog through
beer tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Yeah, it's such a weird feeling doing this in front
of you, guys. We usually do this staring at each other,
with Stephen touching his mustache and quietly laughing at sometimes
his stomach girls lest so doing this is just so
much fun and it's just a weird part of our lives.
And we appreciate your support so much, you guys, We
are so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
To We're just real. It's like everything.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
It started as this little weird nugget of me and
Georgia alone in her apartment with no air conditioning, sweating
and talking about Ted Bundy, and it has bloomed into
this unbelievable thing that we.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
It's still blowing our minds and thanks you. It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
So, of course, stay saved and do God's missions please,
that's important to both of us. But more than that,
stay sexy mannot last, Thank