186 - Sprankers!

Karen and Georgia cover the obsessive case of Carl Tanzler and stories of people buried alive.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia hardstart.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's Karen Kilgarriff, and.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're here to talk to you about a couple of
things you need to know. Number one, if you're going
to turn the fan, if you're gonna be the one
that turns the fan off.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
If Stephen asked you very nicely, and.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Then you agree to turn the fan off, you know yourself, Stephen,
because you're the closest, even though you know seniority wise,
Stephen should have gotten up and turn the fan.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is a democracy.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Look, we're trying to be even. Listen, listen and look
and look. I was fine turning the fan. I mean
you should be fine turning the fan off.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It shouldn't be that.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
So if you just turn it off, then don't trip
over it and almost break everything in the room like
a bizarre baby elephant, which is what happened moments before
this recording beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's right, Karen's a little flustered. She then hit her
entire body on the table and spilled her coffee everywhere,
but she's a professional.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
There's an energy in just around me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I call it a synergy energy.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm working with clumsiness. Yeah, we just signed a three
picture deal together, so I'm going to be tipping things over.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It might be my new teeth. Your new teeth are like,
you're like top heavy now.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
All my balances off.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Tell everyone, because so we posted a new video on
the fan cult the fan Cult, and people are commenting,
how nice your teeth look.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I had all of my front teeth replaced, everybody. I
think I've been talking talking about wanting to, of course
for a long time, but I finally did it. Yeah,
so essentially I got whiter, wider, and much longer teeth.
And so now I just look like a normal person
instead of instead of a leprechaun that was that bit

(02:07):
into a brick of gold because of greed.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Look you looked great before, you look great now you
just have wider, bigger teeth.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Listen, people at my age middle age, we like to
call it need things to help them to their food,
open their mouth and smile and look like a normal person.
I'm not a monster, and so from here on out,
goodbye my strange, my weird, smirky smile with my mouth
clothes that is in every meat and greet picture.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh yeah, where.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I'm always like not really up to snuff is what
my smile used to be.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And now I look like one of.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Those weird German mannequins that has their mouth open.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's it's going to have to be just the flash
and the lighting at the meet and greets to for
your giant smile.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm gonna need he's gonna have to hold one of
those big, weird silber things that bounces light. That's right,
it's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's gonna be magic. What's new with you, Georgia? Speaking
of live shows? Wow, go well, go away plugger my favorite
Weekend dot com for the Santa Barbara show, and then
we have some at my favorite Murder dot com. We
have some upcoming shows in the UK. Oh yeah, you
can find links for tickets there. That's it.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Come to the UK with us. What's new with me?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Vince is out of town at a wrestling thing in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is he wrestling some people?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
He's just fighting people?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
And yes, he just travels to different cities and fights
on the street.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, you know, and he doesn't want to get recognized,
so he does it in different cities and I you know,
it's have been my first like my first time alone
in the new house. There's noises, there's like even with
Vince home, I'm all scared some times, not a Vince.
I want to clear that. Get that clear.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
He always is raising his backhand to you.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, but it's just he's itching his shoulder and I'm like,
what are you doing? So I'm making my dad spend
the night with at my house, all right, Marti, which
is like, I kind of don't need it, but I
kind of also knew I kind of am. And I
also knew it would make him feel good too. Sure
it'd be like, I'm taking care of my daughter. I'll
do it.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And how was it?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's good he's there right now. We were going to
make a nice dinner. Oh good. Yeah. Once he turned
his phone off and wasn't watching shit loudly on it anymore. Downstairs,
I could hear him.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Does he have his keyboard sounds on?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
See one of those people, those people that should be
they should be locked up. Yeah, a lot of keyboard
sounds people at the airport.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I found when we were on tour. I was always
sitting near people where I just want to go, Hey.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I guess you were raised by wolves. Turn the fucking
keyboard sounds off.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
If you're going to write more than a couple words
to someone in a quick text, turn your clickie to
click keyboard sounds off.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Just for one moment. Practice this for one minute every morning.
Think of what you must be like to be sitting
seated next to on a plane.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's a great that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Just picture it and then trust from there if you
feel like it.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think that if someone called me an asshole, they
wouldn't be totally wrong. When I sit up in the
morning and thinking about myself, what am I like sitting
next to on a plane? I think like antisocial, maybe
just a little like you could be a little friendly
er Georgia, but on planes.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Because it's an enclosed space. Yeah, I feel like air
on the side of unfriendliness. Okay, first of all, I've
sat nice to you on a plane. You're more like
a coma patient really than anything else.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
You pull those.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Those eye shutters down real quick, eyebra, you go way away?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, possible. Bye, I think that's ideal. Yeah. That wake
me up for snacks and drinks. Bye, yeah, goodbye. Have
you seen the photo of the one woman passed out
on a plane and she has a sticket path post
a note on her like forehead that says, wake me
up for snacks and drinks. Yes, Steven is making a note.
You know for a fact that she's the one that put.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It there, or some sassy Southwest flight attendant. It was like,
this will be funny, but I'd be like, thanks, Yeah,
these are the things I need. Could you imagine what
a world if we could just write on a post
to note what we wanted. And then it's like, wait
a sleep, wake me up for interesting conversation. I put
two asterisks in the beginning at the end of interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Oh, Karen, this is laminated and it has like a
little buckle or like clip.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
She brings it with this lady is a professional traveler. Yeah,
because it looks like the kind of thing you'd wear
if you were like an yeah, clip to please wake
me up for snacks and drinks. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, that's all you need.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But she's wearing what looks like a neck brace, even
though it's just one of those sleeping I have those,
but it's on the front. It goes on the front.
Hers looks like she's been in a accident and she's
not letting it go and then she does that and
actually her I covers for some reason, I can't think
of that word. Look like doesn't it look like a
Maxi pad wrapper? It like exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Go to Instagram my favorite murder and we're going to
show this to you guys.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And tell that woman she's a hero. We find out
our new mascot, ask for what you want, that's right,
and then she's.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Going to be at the Stanton Barber Weekend front Row
Center for every show asleep a sleep with her mask on.
We're just going to keep waking her up and giving
her snacks.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So we're going to give her one pretzel every fifteen minutes, right,
but like a big pretzel, not like a shitty pretzel. No, no,
a hot pretzel.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
We should make sure they still good snacks at are anyways?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Cut that out, We'll make it Stephen, list.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It am I hungry? Okay, I have a wreck room.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Great, the rec room.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Thank you? Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
And listen is actually a riboff of an SNL sketch.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, okay, I just want to call it. No, You're
a great. Uh. Patient zero is a podcast I'm listening
to now and it's from New Hampshire public radio and
it's they're solving medical mysteries. So the first season is
about Lime, which I'm actually fascinated with. I have a
couple of friends who actually have it, and I so
I have weirdly learned a lot about it. And this
is like the history of it and how it was

(07:57):
you know, figured out, and all the people player and
it's like, really, it's just like soothing and it's it's
kind of like a radio labby style soothing, good podcast,
so cool. I love it.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, that's amazing because I feel the thing that's so
frustrating about Lime. I mean, I from what I've heard
from people that have it is that doctors don't believe
you have it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
You have to find doctors that think it's real.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's horrifying.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
What a nightmare. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Do we have other Limerinos out there?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I bet there are.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well let us know if you are Hi friends, Hi,
We're with you.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah sucks, we believe you. I mean, you don't need
us too, but we think it's real. Yeah, and so
that's all like, we know it's real. That's right, we're doctors.
It counts what we think.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
My sister texted me the other day and said, oh no,
we're talking on the phone and she said, have you
heard Taylor Swist the new song? And I was like,
I have it, I'm really not up on it. And
she was like, well, go right now and download. You
need to calm down by Taylor Swift. And that's when
me and Lra listen to every.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Day on the way to school, and it is, first
of all, I love the.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Way these days and these like Taylor Swift is the
kind of star where you know she's mega h mungus.
And when they write these songs, they get to like
talk to the people that piss them off directly.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's so funny. All I can ever think of when.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I listen to these songs is I want to know
who she's talking about. I want, like if it was
on a player, I want pictures of the people she's
referencing to come up.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's hilarious. So yeah, I would say that one I
drove homeless you need to calm down.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's hilarious. Little Taylor Sweat.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
She's very, very talented and has been for a long
time and very smart.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And we'll fight you on that. What else is that? It?
That's it? Because today's Friday.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, we're taping early for personal reasons. Oh, because labor
disc it's labor. No, it's Stephen Day. It's Stephen Days
coming up.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
So we had to today.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So lived a full week.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yere. Yeah, we don't know what the topic is right now.
That's like big and important.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And last week we had so many rec room we
had so many items in the rec room.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
All right, so this is a short opening.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Let me just see you sorry super quick. Oh of
course I do. This isn't a rec room. We're let's
go back up the basement stairs. We're out of the
reck room. Okay, two things. Thank you everyone who tweeted
at me tweeted Steffan Gifts because apparently, without realizing it,
I started my story last week by saying this story
has everything.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, of course these are the kind of things you
can't hear talking and trying to read anything corectly words too,
It's not like.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
This story has everything.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I love it, but my sleeves were pulled over my hands.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You believe Stefan and Barry are the same people. I
know he's so talented. I want to see a fucking
Barry episode with Barry as stefan.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Oh Bill Hayter, as playing Barry, has Barry do an
impression of safon something like that.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Would Barry do that?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Though, No, it seemed to be in his wheels. Someone
else makes him do it, yeah, at gunpoint. But more importantly,
someone named Rachel Duke's from Mixtape Comics sent me a
tweet that says, as someone who loves cults and comics,
I can't recommend this anthology enough. The stories are fascinating

(11:30):
and the artwork is gorgeous. And then she linked me
to a Kickstarter page and it's for a comic anthology
coming out called American Cult. Remember I've talked about this
before on this show. There used to be a series
called The Big Book of and it was like the
Big Book of Vice, the Big Book of Death, the
Big Book of whatever. It's basically seems like it's relatively

(11:52):
the same idea. And as of right now, Friday, it
might be almost ending when this goes up, but they're
really close to their goal and.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
The fucking hooking them up right.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, I want to because I want this so already.
I did my donation or pledge or whatever you call it.
I've never kickstarted anything before. I was really excited, but
I got in there because I was like, I want
this now, so and then I tweeted about it.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
But if anybody done that a couple of times, like
a revolutionary cat toy or something like that, ro like,
I want that, yes.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
And that's the frustrating thing about this happened les year
because there was a what's that game?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I want it?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I'm too old for this game? Was no, no, no,
it's not Who's who? Guess who?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Guess who? Yeah? Yeah, where you flipped it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That someone made us the murder version of it. We've
gotten like four different murder versions of Guess who. Thank
you every very amazing person who's done that for us.
But somebody made a powerful woman in history guess who?
Oh wow, And so you flip it up and then
your magic whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's super cool.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I went on there and it was like all everybody
had ordered it already.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Like it was like I was like, pretty soon, like
just have a game tree idea. It seems like I
feel like it's very close to meeting its goal. But
then let's get shipping everybody. I'm first this year first,
so I'm gonna sit back. I know him first and
so I'm gonna declare it. This one is so old.

(13:22):
I'm positive you know about it, and positive you've seen
it in every kind of whatever it is ID channel
like Weird, weird death love or whatever, any any kind
of Valentine's Day, disturbing story, anything like that. You've heard
this one already. It's the very upsetting tale of Carl's
Tandler's corpse bride.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Okay, I think so you know it.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Okay, So I got all my most of my information
from of course Wikipedia, Wikipedia, Atless Obscuro, which if you
don't know about Atless Obscure, it is such an incredible Oh,
I've talked about it. I've talked about it before before
cause my dad gave me that book.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Do I have it in mind this week? Now? I don't,
but I yeah, I love it. It's great.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I actually was looking through their Twitter and looking at
the how interesting every single one of their articles is,
and like, this is so how were they thinking of
all these ideas and things? Well? Also, it just made
me realize the reason they can do that is because
it's about everything.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's the whole idea is like travel the entire world.
So this story is from this remote part of wherever.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
They just are so good. Shout out out, let's.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Obscure, love your book, and then of course BuzzFeed tried
and true. All right, So let's start with the person
that was impacted most by this whole exchange, which is
the woman who ended up being the corpse bride. Her
name is Maria Elena Milagro de Jyos, but her family
called her Helen. She's a Cuban American woman born in

(14:57):
nineteen oh nine. Her parents were Francisco Poncho Hoyos, who
was a cigar maker, and Aurora Malagro. And so Helen
and her parents and her two sisters, they all live
together in Key West, Florida. Her sisters are named Florinda
and Celia.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Beautiful at this time of year.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Right Key West, I'm back in Florida this week.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, welcome. There's lots of stories coming out
of there.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I don't know if you've heard. It's weird, okay. So
February eighteenth, nineteen twenty six, seventeen year old Helen marries
a man named Louis Mesa, but soon after their wedding,
she gets pregnant and then loses the baby. Wait what
year is this, Sarah, This is from nineteen twenty six. Okay, yeah,

(15:42):
So he leaves her and moves to Miami.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Great, see you.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Later, Kabay. They're never officially divorced, but obviously it's over then.
So about four years later, on April twenty second, nineteen thirty,
Helen becomes extremely ill, so her mother takes her to
the United States Marine Hospital in Key West, where she
is diagnosed with tuberculosis. So not the case today, but

(16:05):
because it's nineteen thirty, this is basically a fatal diagnosis.
So Helen and her family are in the hospital trying
to process this news, and in the room walks fifty
three year old radiology technician Carl Tansler. So I'll give
you a little background on old Carl.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Those radiologists are real.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Wild, they're wild men. Carl Tansler was born George with
no e. I'm sure that has a different pronunciation in German,
but Yorg maybe Carl Tansler, but Carl with a K.
On February eighth, eighteen seventy seven, in Dresden, Germany. He
grows up there, but just before World War Two starts

(16:48):
nineteen fourteen, he emigrates to Australia, and when the war
finally does break out a couple years later, the British
military authorities in Australia placed Tansler, along with others from
foreign countries, in an internment camp for quote unquote safe keeping.
So he's eventually released, but he's no longer allowed to

(17:12):
stay in Australia, so he ends up going back home
to Germany. He finds that his mother's still alive after
the war, very exciting reunion for them. He stays with
her for about three years, and then around nineteen twenty
he marries a woman named Doris Anna Shaefer and they
have two daughters together, so it's of course Germany is
very unstable after World War One. They decide that they're

(17:35):
gonna leave Germany and emigrate to America. So Carl goes
first and then the wife and children follow after him
and they settle in. It's all one word, but it
looks like it's pronounced Zephyr Hills, Florida, but it also
could be Zephyrrillis zephyr No, it can't because there's no
other I let's just say zephyr Hills, Zephyr Hills and

(17:58):
feel okay with them Okay settled there in nineteen twenty six,
But in nineteen twenty seven, Carl leaves his family and
moves to Key West and changes his name to Karl
von Kosel and takes a job as a radiology technician
at the United States Marine Hospital. So boom, here we
are the cross section of these two lives. Later on,

(18:18):
after all of this whole weird story breaks and he
gets to tell his side of it, he claims that
during his childhood he was visited by the spirits of
his ancestors who would show him the face of the
woman who would be his one true love. And that
woman was an exotic woman with long, dark hair, and
he claims to have met that dream woman several times

(18:42):
in his childhood teen years.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Like in person or in his mind.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Like a ghostly experience. Almost, it's ghost stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
It sounds ghosty, it is pretty ghost like.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
So basically, when he walks into Helen's hospital room and
sees her on April twenty second, nineteen thirty, he sees
the face of the woman he was shown all throughout
his childhood as the woman he that would be the
love of his life.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And she's like I'm not feeling great.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
She's like, I can't do this with you right now?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Can I have no visitors right now?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Because I don't know you. And the crucial element of
this is that Helen is almost twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
And again I'll say it, Carl is fifty three.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
He's fifty three. He looks kind of like Sigmund Freud.
He looks like a man dressed up as an old man.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Pointy that weird pointsy beer.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, he used to have yeah, and bald hair on
the side.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Spectacles, old guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And it's also an old guy in the thirties, which
looks like a hell of old guys for today. Yeah,
he's wearing a he's wearing a girdle, you know old
guys brendle. There's uh a dirndle.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Because that's sherman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, he's wearing those those things that hold up as
so oh yeah yeah, sockholders, uppers an they're yeah, what
do they call suspenders, suspend sock suspenders, sock spenders?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, oh god, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So he sees the diagnosis of TB, and he sees
the face of the woman of his dreams and then
sees that she's dying of tuberculosis. So immediately Carl's like,
I have to do something, and he tells the family
that he can treat her, that he has, he has
ways that you know, they can't give up, and he
starts getting super involved. He's he's the radiologist though that's

(20:34):
usually the person that takes X rays and stuff like that. Yeah,
not really, he's not an internist.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, he's not a life saver.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
He's not. So he claims he has vast medical knowledge,
tries out a number of different treatments and medicines.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
They're all him kissing her.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
So this treatment it has to be given orally by
me and you again, I don't like it though, you're
you're here like my dad's You're like my dad's dad.
He works with her while she's in the hospital. Then
she gets released from the hospital and he comes visitor
to visit her home to say, how about these other treatments.

(21:13):
All of these practices are outside the bounds of his job.
They're all against hospital protocol. But because it's before the Internet,
no one knows, cares or pays attention, I guess. But
of course Helen's family and Helen are desperate to cure
her and save her from this horrible disease. So they allow,
you know, whatever help they can get, which is another
gross part of it, because it's a true manipulation. You're

(21:35):
about to lose this dear family member. So it's like,
and I decided I'm in love with her, so let
me into the house so I can help her and
cure her.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
And what are they gonna be like, No, I don't,
we don't want your help, right, they don't know he can.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Right, They're like, please anyone that can do anything. But
he doesn't just come offering medical treatment. He also starts
showering her with gifts, buying her clothing and jewelry. He
tells her his name is Count von Coussel, that he
is royalty German royalty, which he's not, and he very
soon professes his love to her. She does not reciprocate

(22:09):
these feelings. When he asks her to marry him, she
says no and points out that he is like thirty
years older than her. Of course, like any romantic of
the day, he asks again and again and again. So
the family's like, guys, I didn't fucking walk away, walk away?
And also the ghost face your dead ant showed you. Yeah,

(22:30):
that's not real.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And it might look like a lot of other people,
but yeah, it's not real.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Long haired brunettes were not uncommon in the thirties.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Maybe you had a fever as a child.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, And also what maybe, like what if something else happens? Yes,
be open to the other possible.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
We already married someone and had two children she didn't
want close enough, she is like, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So the family, of course, is slowly like we got
to get away from this guy, like he won't leave
us alone. Meanwhile, Helen is battling tubercula. This lasts for
like a year, and on October twenty fifth, nineteen thirty one,
Helen dies from the disease in her parents' home. It's
very sad, so Carl shows up again. He insists upon
paying for her entire funeral and including an above ground mausoleum,

(23:18):
and with Helen's family's permission, Helen's body is laid to
rest in that mausoleum in the Key West Cemetery. But
what he doesn't tell Helen's family is that he has
a key to the mausoleum swallows it. It's mine forever. Yeah,
So he's the only one with the key, and so

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he begins to visit Helen in the mausoleum. I mean
Helen's dead body.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, how as a jew tell me how mausoleums work.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
This is from what I've seen in an Ashley Judd
movie where she gets locked into one one time. So
is true or not true?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Is that like a coffin inside of a room?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it's a it's not a coffin. It's usually based
on this Ashley Judd movie I think, is it along
Cam a spider also starring. That's not Yeah, she did
a series of films with Morgan. They were so good, God,
they were all every single one was great.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Love it. But she goes in.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And it's like they're made of marble, like yeah, you know,
and they're little houses. They usually have windows, I think
at least one, and then inside it's either more marble
like the body or the coffin orders inside a little
marble casing, so you can't just get to it.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Okay, So it is like a coffin, but it's not.
But it's not like as hardcore.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's not like it's not like Dracula's and they're waiting
to get out with ease.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, as far as I understand, Okay, I see it,
I can picture it.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, we're basing this. This is all Ashley jud based.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Go ahead, Stan, it's not Along cham the spider. It's
buried alive in a grave.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's called that.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Wait, it's not, says this goes. Maybe it's alive.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Maybe she's been multiple a long It might not be
a long came of spider, but then it's a different one.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Oh, this is just a list of people of movies
that people being buried alive and gravel.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
It's kiss the girls, Kiss the girls. It is the girls. God,
I feel alive?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Or is it double jeopardy? Oh?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
She did a double jeopardy too?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Oh yeah, said Ashley Jedt has knocked out and put
in a casket inside a mausoleum. That's it.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
That's your fucking husband. Which one was it in double jeopardy?

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Double jeopardy?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
What is double jeopardy? No?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I have the other girls? Along came all right?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think Along came a spider. Also might be the
Monica pod is.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Buried alive in a grave.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Buried alive and a grave was just one of the
movies that included someone being buried alive in a grave?

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right, Stephen, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Okay, great, I got excited. Actually jed Marathon now, but.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Was actually Judden buried alive in a grave?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
No, that was just a list of movies where that happens.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Sorry, why did that?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
That was.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Of people? Yes, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I thought it was the name of a movie.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
It has to be now.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now I have to write that on a post note.
Will you write, Karen, please write buried alive in a grave?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Can we get a gotta get a cartoon?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Go and listen Ashley Judd is buried alive in a grave?
And okay, so he it's such a crazy thing. If
you've ever been to a cemetery, it's not a place
you want to be at all.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, unless you're like a high school goth. You're right.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
If you have clothes to smoke, yes you do, but
it's not like it's a fun hang. And then I
think mausoleums.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I don't want to sound like I'm really dark and
deep and interesting, but I like I like them.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, maybe I should specify mausoleums aren't the things you want, Okay,
really cold, and they have a dead body in them. Yes,
I don't want that, and Carl right, thanks, you're right,
because the outside of it is nice.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Is a guard, it's garden feeld. Look at the dates,
you're like, oh when did they die?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
But it's all yeah, okay, No, you're right, miss Renda.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I do not want to fight with you over the
look I do. I want to fight about being buried
alive in a grave.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Now I'm going to write as long called buried alive
and a grave fucking better. He visits Helen every single night.
Maybe that's if I had said that sentence first, and
then I started talking about how maybe you don't want
if you were gonna go to a cemetery, you want
to save that.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
For the weekends. Yeah every night?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, no, okay, now how do you feel about this?
Inside the mausoleum, he has a telephone installed so that
he can call her. What year is this it's it's
nineteen thirty one. Oh, he has a telephone, insult, so
he can talk to her when he's not there.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Hey, HOI what the fuck? Well, who's going to answer
the phone?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I mean, what level of pretending is he doing at
home on his phone?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, she's not picking up.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
She must be busy five five five dead. The nightly
visits to Helen's mausoleum continue for two full years, nineteen
thirty one to nineteen thirty three, and according to Carl,
Helen's spirit would appear when he would visit the mausoleum,
and either he, that spirit, or both of them would

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serenade Helen's body with her favorite Spanish songs.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That would be romantic if they had been in love
with each.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Other, Thank you, great point. You'd hope they would move on,
like you know, yeah, but even yeah, even if they
were the most in love with each other, even if
it's faith pill on Timograth. You don't want one person
singing to a dead body every night.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think someone would cut in and be like, I know,
you guys are super in love, but like, we gotta
like take you to therapy.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, you don't get to be in the mausoleum anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, you have to go two weeks talk about your feelings, yeah,
and work some shit out. You don't need to get
over it for the rest of your life. We totally understand.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
That, yeap, it never goes away, and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, but you need to find other ways. What am
I talking about?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Other ways besides corpse singing?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, to get honor and to honor their spirit right.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
And also that if her spirit really did rise up
out of her body to do something, it would go hey,
can you fucking leave me alone please? Sigmund Freud.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So everyone is very creeped out by Carl's nightly visits,
of course, and so he gets fired from his job
at the hospital, and so then he stops for a
little while until one night in April of nineteen thirty three,
and that night, Carl goes to Helen's mausoleum with a
new plan. He's going to exhume her body and.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Take it home with him.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So he does just that. He takes her body out
of mausoleum, and he puts it on a child's toy
wagon and carts it out of the cemetery in the
dead of knight.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Can you imagine if you're like going to visit your
mom's grave and then you're like, hey, how are you?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh shit, who's that chrone with the toy wagon?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Can you cut that out of it? I didn't mean
your mom's like that sounded so insensitive.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
My mom my mom was cremated and she's in the
fucking living room. Did I ever tell you that story?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
No? Is she really in the living room?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, but my dad didn't tell me or my sister
that that's where he put her. So we were all
at dinner with like my cousins and everybody one night,
and we were all talking about my people were telling
stories about my mom, and then uh, that goes well.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
She's right there.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, there's like a little box on top of like
the china cabinet or whatever. We're like, I look up
and I'm like, really, are you joking?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
You're supposed to tell your daughters that information. I don't know.
I guess it was private.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Okay, So now it's going to get like that's none
of this has been pleasant. No, and none of this
has been a good story.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Now he's got her in his class at his house. Okay,
So hold on, I'm gonna show you a couple of pictures.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yes, please always, here's the mausoleum. Do not look underneath? Well,
thank you?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Oh that's nice, tasteful.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
It looks like a little marble house that looks like
a little tugboat. And there's them. So Carl's on the right. Obviously.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Wow, he looks a hundred. Yes, she looks lovely.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
She's gorgeous. He looks like Albert Fish.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh, he totally Sigmund Freud and Albertfish, who already look alike.
It's a mix of those fucking two. It's complete with
the needles up your penis. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Okay, house, okay, Yeah, so everyone in Helen's family is
just like, hey, old guy, drop it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, she didn't love you in life, right, and now
you're you're nudging her and you're you're creep in death.
Back at his home, wait, did you see this one? No?

Speaker 1 (31:53):
No, wait this one, it's this one. Look at his house.
Describe what that house looks like to the to the listening.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's a shanty town. It's a fucking middle of Joshua
tree board planks and shanty town.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It looks like he another house burned down and he
went and grabbed the planks that didn't burn and built
his own house. Yeah, it's not like he brought her
back somewhere great put a hex on it, yes, for fun.
So so back at his shanty town, he does everything
he can to preserve her body. Obviously, he goes in
and he uses a piano wire to put to hold

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her bones together because her joints obviously are going to
disintegrate or decompose. He gives her glass eyes.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
And Charity has two years of decom Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh yeah, everything about this is so disturbing, disturbing and
like it just feels impossible. And then on top of
all of that, it's always been presented up until relatively
recently as I love Yeah, as an absolutely his side
of the story love story.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, it's funny, because are you telling me this? I
was like, oh, they were in love. I thought like,
in my mind they were married. I haven't read it
in so long because I keep seeing it. Yeah, it's
like I thought they were married and he wouldn't let
her go. No, it was a stalker. He's a stocker,
a super weird stalker.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So but it'll make sense a little while later why
it's come out that way? So okay. So so, so,
as her skin decomposes and is like peeling off, he
replaces it with silk cloth that's soaked in wax. I
guess mortician's wax. So like that, it's you know, he
uses kind of a bunch of those processes he uses

(33:37):
plaster of Paris to make the face. When this when
the skin on her face is peeling away, that eventually
her face does just become a mask, and inside her
body he fills it with rags to keep the form.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, and disrespectful. It's it's human life. Yeah, it's horrifying.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
He also, as her hair falls out, he makes a
wig of the fallen out hair so he can put
her hair back on her in wig form. He douss
her in perfume and oils to hide the smell of decay.
And obviously he keeps her in his bed and unfortunately
this piece of information is not cool. He constructs a

(34:21):
paper tube to put in her vagina so that he
can have sex with the corpse.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Oh no, no.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
No, I mean that's why, that's the point of all
of this. Right. As time passes, and Carl, of course,
he's forced to keep diligent care of a corpse that
is now decomposing over years of time, and so he
has to he has to disinfect it and spray it
with more and more perfume. There's issues with slime and mold,

(34:51):
different molds, so his medical background helps him to recognize
that and check it and keep it at bay and
buy the right disinfectants. He's also continually going out and
still buying her new clothes and jewelry and presence. He
actually puts a privacy curtain down the middle of his
bed so that she can have some privacy what she

(35:12):
wants to fuck. Yeah, this goes on for seven years?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
What the like seven years after he took her?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yes, oh my god, seven years seven so two in
the mausoleum, okay, and then seven at his own no.
So Eventually people start to ask questions, why did Carl
stop visiting the mausoleum all of a sudden?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, And why does.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
He keep buying women's clothing and jewelry and perfume if
he's this single man.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Can you imagine the first person who had dawned on
what was happening and they were just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I want to know who it was? A neighborhood boy
told who reported that he saw Carl dancing with what
looked like a giant doll through his wind.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And then needed all the therapy for the rest.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
It was just ran screaming into the sea.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean, holy, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I wish now, I wish I'd save this for Halloween,
because this is fucked.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well wait do you hear mine? Oh? Okay, keep going.
It's the invention of the Jackalantern. Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
So now it's October nineteen forty. Okay, everyone in town
is talking about this. Yeah, and of course Helen's family
hears about it, and so her sister goes to Carl's
house to confront him. She says, look, we know you're
not visiting the mausoleum anymore, have you. What's going on?
Did you take her body?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
And so he lets her.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
In the house and lets her into his bedroom. It's
a movie. It's a fucking horror movie.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And she walks in and sees this bizarre I wean't see,
let me see, dressed up, masked corpse of her sister.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
No, look at that, Oh honey.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Doesn't that look like if you were riving to do
Las Vegas and you stopped at a tourists area and
there was kind of like a bunch of mannequins. That's
someone that worked there, made yes, and they were like, uh,
you know, it's the gold rush or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
That's what this. It has that feel to me. But
now I'm looking at the photograph of her side by
side with this mannequin, and it's like the features are
still the same. So I was like wondering, your sister
was like, what is that? But I think her sister
would have known. She would have been immediate my sister.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
The guy that was stalking my sister as she died,
as she died at in the hospital and at her house,
uh now has her in his house for years, dude,
for years.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
The fucking most crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's the most So she is, of course blown out
and freaked out beyond. So she just says, can you
please put her body back in the mausoleum? And he
says no, Yeah, So she says, okay, I'll talk to
you late.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I'm just gonna cray walk at it.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
She's it's all Clarie's starling voice of may I use
your phone? It's all that. But she immediately calls the cops. Yeah,
of course. So the police arrive to find the horror
show of Carl's making, and they take Helen's body in
to perform an autopsy. They discover all the different mechanisms
that Carl has used to preserve Helen and then have

(38:20):
sex with her, which he would later deny, and of course,
Carl Tantler is immediately taken into custody, and of course
this story goes nineteen thirty's viral. It's all anyone's talking about.
It's in every newspaper, it's all over the place. Of course,
people are mine crazy is Yeah, this is the kind

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of story newspapers are looking for.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, horror, first horror movie.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
So after the autopsy, Helen's body is moved to the
Dean Lopez funeral Home, where it is put on public display.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Don't do that, She's already fucking had enough. I don't
know if it was like, I don't know who agreed
to that.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I don't know how that part got set up, or
if it was like some kind of weird somebody came in.
It was like a money making scheme.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Are they the ones who accidentally gave the fucking Carl
a key to her mausoleum because.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Well, because he paid for it, he got his own key.
Oh remember, he acts like it was a generous offer,
but it was entirely self serving. So Helen's body is
viewed by as many as six eight.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Hundred people in today's numbers, Oh.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
My god, that's two trillion people. So eventually her body's
returned to the Key West Cemetery. It's buried in an
unmarked grave and a secret location so that Carl cannot
go near it in any way and Helen can finally
rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Oh my god, after almost a decade.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Okay, So Carl Tanser stands trial on October ninth, nineteen
forty for quote, wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and
removing a body without authorization. This trial is also widely publicized. Obviously,
it's the only thing everyone in Key West can talk about.
But strangely enough, many people stand in support of Carl

(40:04):
Tansler because they believe that his crimes are nothing more
than the endearing acts of a hopeless romantic No, hopeless
is correct, hope, But I don't think I will ask
you at this moment in time, is there anything in
this story that's any different than the story of ed
Gean Totally, nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
None.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
The creepy house, the mask work, the dead body, and
rearticulation of I mean, everything about it. It's just that
because afterwards he was the one that was able to
write the story about it, he put this romantic tinge
on it, and everyone's just like well, he said it
was all about love. So good. Of course, in court,
when he was asked if he had sex with this corpse,

(40:47):
Carl Tansler answers no, and then the entire courtroom went
sure jan, Which is weird because the Brady bunch wouldn't
be out for years and years somehow. Now this gets weirder, okay.
During the trial, Carl tells the court that he had
built and planned to use an airship to send Helen

(41:10):
high into the stratosphere, an airship, an airship so that
radiation from outer space could penetrate her tissues and restore
life to her somnolent form.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Oh someone is I mean?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
And here's that airship?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
He built it himsel, That's what that is. I saw
it in the printer. I think it's right there.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
God damn it in my papers. I like to put everything.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Oh here it is there is spread all your papers.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I really like to spread it all out.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
He fucking built it. He built that thing, Elena's airship.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It basically looks like someone who saw an airplane once
and then was given again a pile of burnt wood.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's a shanty town airship. I like that.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
He recycles. I think that's nice. But this airship is
the work of a madman. So, despite clear evidence of
Carl Tanslor's guilt and questionable mental state, he is acquitted
for his hits. This as the statute of limitations had expired.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Not for her being dead, you fucking assholes. I mean, okay,
so just keep her long enough and you won't get
in trouble for it anymore. Right now, of the statue
limitations ended when he was forced to give her back,
not when he kidnapped her. How about that? I see,
you know what I mean. I mean, you'd like it
to be like that. I would like the statute limitations

(42:32):
to go fuck itself completely.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I would like to know what weird corpse fuckers made
those laws in the.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
First Absolutely, it was like not a big deal back
in eighteen fifty six or whenever that was maybe d the.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Donner Party had just happened.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
He was a law so crazy. Okay, So when he's acquitted,
he has the giant brass balls to actually ask the
court if he can have Helen's body back. Yes, this
is this, This is how much he's learned the error
of his way.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Wow, and they were like, never mind, we take that back,
We take.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
That back for real. Judge was like, shit, I already
hit my gavel or I would have you killed. So
Judge of course says no, Carl, Yeah, go home. There's
a debate as to whether or not Carl could be
rightfully charged with necrophilia, but even though the paper tube
had been found inside Helen's body, there was no concrete

(43:26):
evidence that Carl had actually had sex with that body. Bullshit,
I mean right. So in nineteen forty four, after the trial,
Carl moves to Pasco County, Florida to be near his
former wife.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
She's like I'm good.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
No, no, no, Doris, No, she actually cares for him
for the rest of his life. No, come on, Doris.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
She's like, I'm stuffing your fucking ass with rags, bitch.
See how you like it.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
She's quote unquote taking care of him.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
So, Carl Tanslor writes his autobiography and teteen forty seven,
a polt magazine called Fantastic Adventures publishes it. In his
version of the story, Helen loved him back. Her family
was quote unquote scared of science and wanted to keep
them apart, and wouldn't let him treat her, and it was,

(44:18):
you know, against their love.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
They ever proved that he could he could help her
with TV with tuberculosis. No, I could have done it,
but they didn't want me to. Yeah, well, what would
you have done? Well?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, I have you ever heard of the airplane treatment?
Where I built an airplane out of wood and then
you go in it. Most of Helen's family had passed
away by this time when the story came out, so
there was no one there to go Hey, yes, absolutely not.
Here's our side of the story. This is crazy. He's
a stalker. We had to move a town away to

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get away from this guy. So that romantic aspect, that
that bent that he put on it is what has
stayed with this story the entire time. But Carl's obsession
with Helen did not end there may alone. In his
new home, Carl constructs a life size effigy of Helen,
which he keeps for the rest of his days, and

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on July third, nineteen fifty two, when Carl dies at
the age of seventy five, he is in the arms
of his life sized Helen effigy doll.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Some people suspect that Carl had managed to swap out
that effigy for Helen's real body, and that the doll
he passed away beside was actually her real corpse. But
this was never substantiated.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yes, And if you want to read more about because
there's so many things I didn't get to. There's a
whole thing about that airplane. Really, yes, he lived in
it for a while. It's there's so much other stuff.
If you want to read more about this story, like
I do, and I'm going to get the book Undying
Love by Ben Harrison's. It tells the full entire story,
and that is the story of Carl Tansler's corpse bride.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Great job on a fucked up story that we just
haven't done right, but you did it.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
It was a great I feel like I looked at
the story when we did our first shows in Florida. Yeah,
but then I was kind of I don't know at
the time, maybe there was so many choices that I
picked something else.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
That story had everything. This story had everything that was great.
Good joy, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Can I just say this one thing while you do that? Yeah,
I just realized in my research and stuff that the
victim and the story that I just read name was Elena.
Somewhere I read that they call her family called her Helen,
and maybe that was her like americanized name because the
family came from Cuba, and it's that thing of like,
you know, people pick their American names to blend in

(46:52):
or whatever. But so I just want to say that
her name was Elena originally. But then I read that
people call her Helen, but there's a good chance people
called her Elena also.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I just that felt like a weird whitewash moment. So
I just want to I want to call that out, Okay,
and then everybody else can call me out too. Let's
all do it together.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Twitter preference, right, call me out on Ello.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
That's an app I just downloaded. Really, no, it came
and what it was supposed to be the new Twitter,
like what four years ago? Five years ago? Llo? People
are like, I'm going over to Llo and everyone's like,
go ahead, we're addicted to this poisonous river.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, okay, but wait, but wait, there's more. Here's the
weird thing. What you did the same story. No, I'm
doing stories of people being accidentally buried alive. I know
you're not swear to fucking god, what how crazy is it?
That's so we should have say this for Halloween.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Do you think after a while we have the same
brain like we these won't be This is just how
it's going to be where it's like, well then I also.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, I really love that we open this up a little,
this new after the break to like weird tales and
stuff that's outside the realm of just straight up murder.
This is literally buried alive in a grave. How fucking great?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I love it so sorry this whole time, you've just
been sitting over there with your little sit That's why
you have that smile on your face.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I was like, this is unbelievable. Okay, got I specifically
got this when I was just searching for weird shit
and found a Ranker article called Scary Stories of people
who are Buried Alive. I was like, great, I'm doing this,
Oh bless you. Ranker also got a story from Reuters
about a dead man who wakes up under the autopsy knife.
Spoiler alert. Okay, yeah, no, we're got there. We'll get there.

(48:52):
History collection, amusing Planet popside, dot com, all that's interesting.
Dot com. Wikipedia of course, of course, so Wikipedia and
the research was from Lily Bellinghausen, who's been helping me
with research. God bless amen, A fucking meant all right, So, Karen, Yes,
cases of being buried alive have been recorded as far

(49:12):
back as the fourteenth century Jesus, and I don't think
they recorded shit before that.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, there was there was no no ability to record,
you know. He got invented right around that.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
They had what is the thing we've recorded on in
the beginning of this podcast when we first heard zoomed.
They didn't have zooms after the before the fourteen hundred,
so I wasn't recorded in thirteen oh eight.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Too long to chisel it into a big piece of stone.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Right, forget it. And then you gotta have the headphones,
like still you look like Steven and they have done
the mustache and that's thanks forever. So in thirteen oh eight,
the vault of Franciscan philosopher John Dunn's scotus is open
and his body is reportedly found outside of his coffin
with bloodied hands. No wo a lot of bloodied hands
and nails in this story.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I just want to let everyone know of all the
things I hate, and there are many things I hate
about being buried alive. This smallness of a waking up
in a casket, the smallness of the space that you
then have to suffer in.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, I think that's the fear that everyone has. Like
when I was reading through this, and you'll hear like
the like panic that everyone has about the idea of
being buried alive, I think has a lot to do
with the idea that you're fucking stuck.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
In a tiny place and that scratching your way out
as pretty much your only hope.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, horrify, here we go.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Great, Happy Halloween, everybody.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Well, this story is considered a myth. Oh. The fear
of being buried alive became a pandemic during the Victorian era. Yeah,
it was fucking crazy Victorians.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Everything great and the creepiest of all creepy things happen
during then.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Fogs that would come upon the city, and fogs and
bustles and pandemic pandemics and lots of child death. Right
to uh listen to this podcast will kill you from
more informations. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, there's widespread
bacterial infections and cholera outbreaks, and in addition to the
popular literature like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and Edgar Allan Poe's

(51:03):
in eighteen forty four premature burial. There's also reports from
doctors about people supposedly coming back from the dead. Tapaphobia,
I think, is the fear of being buried alive, and
that spreads across Europe in the US and leads to
the invention. And I've always been obsessed with this idea.
Safety coffins love it, okay. Safety coffins or security coffins,
are a coffin fitted with a mechanism to prevent premature

(51:26):
burial or allow the occupant to signal that they have
been buried alive. A large number of designs for safety
coffins were patented during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and
variations on the idea are still available today. Is that true.
I get that's what Lily said it is, and I
believe her. I believe Lily.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
You know what's funny is they tapophobia is the name
for the fear of being buried alive.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I would call it being a human being, like, yeah,
it's not claustrophobia, it's not tapophobia.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
It's just if you are alive, now you have that fear.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
You're like, guess what would suck my pants? Being buried alive?
And then what's another one?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Biting into an old sandwech oh, yeah, exactly, eating a
salad and finding a cockroach at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Of it, at the bottom. Once you're all done, live cockroach,
a live.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Cockroach, you ate the first of all who eats the
entire salad. Usually you only get about two thirds of
the way down. This time, you finished your salad and
writers are like, ooh one last crew time. No, no,
it isn't okay.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
The most popular designs use some some type of device
for communication to the outside world, like a cord attached
to a bell that the buried person could just ring
in case they woke up.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
That idea.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I think you talked about this in another a live
show one time.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yes, because we I get to what I talked about, okay,
But I just want to say that it's like a
person who makes set, who makes sets and props for
a horrible play. Yeah, was like, what would be the
creepiest thing this coffin could do?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, it ring. It's so you're the you're the grave
digger and you're standing in the cemetery in the middle
of the early morning. What's the creepiest thing you could hear?
How about a bell? Also?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
How do those bells not go off when just the wink?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
No, no, no, you're right. And in addition to that shit,
I should have let you finish. No no, no, no, okay,
so I should let you actually tell you that's not
this podcast.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Okay, you're right.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Remember we are buried alive in a grave. Other variations
of the bell include flags and pyrotechnics. What I don't know,
that's all Lily fucking told me. And I was like,
this could be a whole episode. It's own.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You wake up in your coffin and am goes off
above for and then a firework show, and then.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
The grave digger there's like.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Ooh ah, and then walks away. Doesn't help you.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Some burial designs include ladders, scale patches, and even feeding tubes,
but most of them lacked a method to provide air.
Remember air, yeah, remember air?

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Oh? So yeah, you're buried alive. You don't want a snack? No,
don't worry about the feeding too.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, you know you don't want to live longer.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Send me down an apple, would you? No?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Or just a mush apple. Okay in seventeen sauce, that's wait,
they invented a thing.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yes, that's just a mushed apple. They don't just have
to mush your apples anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Wait what Yeah, the time i' an expense I have
been going to.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
There's a family name a Motte, and they figured out
how to mush up your favorite apple.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
God bless that, amen, Amen. In seventeen ninety one, Robert
Robinson doubt that a man from Manchester creates the first
safety coffin prototype. He was laid to rest in a
mausoleum fitted with a special door that could be opened
from the outside by the watchman on duty. So inside
his would be his coffin and there'd be a removable

(54:59):
glass panel. And he instructed his family to periodically check
on the glass insert it in the coffin, basically to
see if he was breathing. If there's your dad, we will,
no doubt will be every day. You can you imagine
what his like living life was like. It was very
stressful for all the family, such a pain in the
app The first true am my dad, did I die?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
No, you're sitting here at dinner.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's fine, Yes, we can Cauldn't you stop breathing in
the face. You were breathing, Yes, you were breathing. The
first true recorded safety coffin was made on the orders
of Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick before his death in seventeen
ninety two. He had a window installed to allow light
in an air tube provided that provided the supply of
fresh air, and instead of having a lid nailed down,

(55:43):
he had a lock fitted and in a pocket of
his shroud. When he was buried in he had to
keep the keys for them perfect.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
You got it, and then heard it out in a
really cute key chain. Yeah, that's a dolphin magic.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, that said, here you go, keep JK livin And
when you turn it this way, the dolphins has a
bathing sit on and you turn it that way, the
dolphins bathing suit comes off.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
The dolphin has a humongous erect penis, and it attacks
you because dolphins are rapists.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Is a penis? Does a poenis have a bathing suit
on it?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And this bathing suit after bathing suit falls off, The
pen is very thick.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
It's complicated. It was actually the pen that killed him.
It crushed him away. He invented it it crushed him.
What okay? So a German priest named p J. Pestler
Are suggested in seventeen ninety eight that all coffins have
a tube inserted so that a cord could run to
the church bells and if an individual had what's that

(56:40):
you say, an individual had been bury. I've only had
one can of whine. I swear.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Why are there two sitting because I'm drinking the other one.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
It just hasn't been drunk yet. Girl, girl, I've emma
had checked my wine. Okay. They could draw attention to
themselves by ringing the bell and they'd be like ming, Mingming.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
You're ringing the church bells. Now you want the whole
town to come, I guess. So.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
So this led to signaling systems that came around, but
unfortunately the coffins. Oh wait. So then his bro, a
colleague of his, was like, well, we should put trumpet
like tubes instead. So a trumpet instead of bells, which
is more annoying and more haunting each day the local priests.
I'm alive, alive each day that local priests could check

(57:28):
the state of oh okay, wait, okay. The other thing
is that they would have a small trumpet like tube attached.
And the point of that is not so you can
blow out your fucking trumpet when you realize you've been
buried alive, but so that a local priest would go
to the cemetery and smell each of the trumpet funnels
and make sure that that there was decomposition happening, that

(57:51):
the smell of the odors emanating from the tube would
be that of decomp not of a live person just
shitting their pants or whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
The priests are like, have we not got enough by
never marrying taking a valve ball?

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I wrote above my pay grade. They don't get paid
though doing well. I'm I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
They get paid by going straight to heaven.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
That's right, first in line, bitch, unless it's you or me.
Doctor Adolph Gutsmuth was buried alive several times to demonstrate
a safety coffin of his design, and in eighteen twenty
two he stayed underground for several hours and ate a
whole meal, which I'm like.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
What's this eating in the coffin situation?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Delivered to him through the coffins feeding tube. No, people
are fools, get up and go to a restaurant. It's
a really lovely experience.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
So nice.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
In eighteen twenty nine, doctor Johann Godfried Taberger Okay created
a more elaborate bell signaling system. So Bell's house above
ground connected to strings attached to the body's head's head
only one hands and feet, and and it prevented rain
water from going into the tube. Blah blah blah. If

(59:04):
the bell rang, the cemetery watchman would insert a tube
into the coffin and pump air in using bellows until
the casket could be dug up so they'd have fresh air.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
That's the most I like that one the best so far.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Here's the problem, and this is the anecdote I must
have told because it's one of my absolute favorites that
I must have read it as a child and loved
so much. Well, when a corpse is decomposing and swelling
and losing mass and all this shit, everything moves, and
so the bells would start going, oh that's right, Nope,

(59:36):
it's not someone alive. And so like all the bells
going off at once, can you imagine.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
The first time that happened, whoever was nearby died of
a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
There's a lady didn't that's right, this is insanity. Uh huh.
So they would all activate the bell system, which led
to false positives, the worst false positive in the world. Well,
Fransvestor's eighteen sixty eight burial case overcame this problem by
adding a tube through which the corpse, the face of

(01:00:06):
the corpse, could be viewed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Oh I remember that one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Really. Yeah, if the buried person woke up, they could
ring the bell like they wanted to, and then the
watchman could check to see if the person had actually
returned to life or was just movement of the corpse.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So that was basically the two point zero version. Once
they realized the bells were ringing, then they're like, okay,
well then go look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, and enough precinct quit because they're like, I'm not
sniffing these fucking tubes anymore, not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Gonna smell those dead bodies anymore, because they were always
smelling a dead body. Yeah, there was no time they
weren't right, because it's still gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Pass. In nineteen ninety five, a modern safety coffin coffin
was patented by Fabrizio Casselli, who design included an emergency
alarm intercom system, a flashlight, a breathing apparatus and both
a heart monitor and stimulator, a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Corkscrew, and a nail file.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Despite the fear of burial while still alive, there's no
documented cases of anybody being saved by a safety coffin.
Oh man, what a great life lesson. They just should
keep inventing them. They've gotten better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I mean, it's like, I have this fear, and instead
of dealing with the fear that I have, I'm going
to continually invent things to make me feel like anything
can be done if a bad thing happens.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, or maybe like add one more check to the
at the morgue to just double check that the person's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
How about you stab them right in one of the ears?
Would that wake you up?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
That would wake you right up?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
A poke in the ear, maybe ow with a feather,
or just how much smelling salts. I guess it doesn't
have to be violent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Tickle tickle, I'd wake up. Okay. But the practice of
modern day embalming has for the most part eliminated the
fear of premature burial. That's pretty much gonna solve it,
thanks because no one has ever survived that process once completed.
Oh I wonder how may people have got embalmed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
And they were still We were like, well, I still
have my spleen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, ring ring, ring, ring ring, That's all I need.
It's been thought that phrases like saved by the bell,
dead ringer, and graveyard shift come from the use of
safety coffins. Why do I keep doing that coftins? Uh huh,
like you're thinking a caftans or attic an attic, Yeah,
in the Victorian era, but these have been dispelled as

(01:02:25):
an urban myth attributed to a linguistic email hoax that
was uh blah blah blah blah blah said that saved
by the bellows actually from boxing, so shut up. But
that's interesting because it really does apply. But it does
sound like dead ringer could be from that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, I would love to be on any kind of
a hoax email chain involving linguists.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Remember all those email chains that used to be a
thing send this to five people or you're gonna get smushed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Also, there was one where it was like fill out
this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, did you ever do that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
One where it was like you basically you get the
name of a person, you fill out all these things
about them. And then send it to them and then
they do it for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
No, we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
In our family. It was I can't really explain that
process logically, but basically I got want my like all
my cousins and all these people did it, and then
it came around and my dad sent me mine and
then and the one thing he was like it was
something like you had to say like nice things about
these people and what they're like and whatever, and like, uh,

(01:03:28):
I think he said my best attribute and he said smart.
He just smart.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
And I was like, hate you. He does a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
But it was really exciting because all my life you'd
always been like, hey, easy, smart ass. I was always
kind of like a negative. And suddenly I was like,
you liked it this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Whole Yeah, you were egging me on. He was like,
not trying to get you to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
That's right, that's sweet. You still have it the email.
I printed it up. I put it in a frank.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Okay, so here's some cases of people being buried alive.
Ready I am in November sixteen fifty six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Oh wait, so it really did happen. It's just that
they weren't saved by those coffins.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Oh yeah, alert shitge. But these are also like they
didn't These people weren't buried in these coffins either, but
these are people who were you'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Okay, we go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
In November sixteen fifty six, Alice Davies is married to
William Blunder of the Basking of Vaxine, Stoke and then
from a well established local family. They're like, they're like
nobles and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Sure, what country does it say?

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
England? Probably? Yes, probably, okay. William Blunder was a malt
maker and his wife quote had accustomed herself to many
times to drink brandy. Sure to drink a lot one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Need accustomed herself to it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, me too. One evening she drank a large quantity
of poppy water and fell into a deep sleep that
no one could wake her from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Opium.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Oh right, right, oh yeah, just like Dorothy and the
Wizard of Us. It was concluded that she had and William,
being the amazing, sweet, wonderful husband he is, was like, Hey,
I have to go to London really quick. Keep her
body there. I'll come right back for the funeral. What's
he doing? I don't know, but it was really important,
I guess. But her her family was like, fuck that shit,

(01:05:18):
it's hot out. We're not leaving her body out to rot,
Like like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Got tickets to go see Big Ben, I'm stoked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I'm gonna go see the Book of Mormon and I
can't or the new Fleabag screen live show. Yes, so
they were like, fuck that shit, we're gonna bury her.
So then a few days after the burial, a few
of some boys who had been playing nearby reported hearing
a voice from the grave. They didn't think it was real,
but the grave was open and her body was found.

(01:05:47):
It looked like she was beaten, but in actuality it
was injuries inflicted by herself on her body and her confinement.
Oh yeah, so so. Being unable to detect any continuing
signs of life those present at the scene, they put
Alice back in the grave overnight and the corner some
of the next day, and they had found that she

(01:06:08):
tore off a great part of her winding sheet, scratched
herself in several places, beaten her mouth so long it
was filled with blood, and she was now definitely dead.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Sorry are you saying? She was buried alive twice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
The second time she was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Great, I that's a huge relief to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I think in hope, I think they would have left
her out just to fix sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
You know, you would hope that they would make double sure.
But you know, most of the stories on the show
don't go that well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, exactly. No one's convicted or like get some trouble
for this, although the town had a considerable fine that
they had to pay because of this. The whole town,
I guess, the whole town. We're all going down together. Yeah,
like this sucks on all of our parts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
So in eighteen eighty there's another one. Eighteen eighty four,
Kentucky's Hickman Courier reported that a young woman by the
name of Anna Hackwalt is dressed for her brother's wedding.
She sits down to rest in the kitchen, as we
all do, and then someone checks on her and she's
just laying there with her head against the wall and
appears lifeless. Medical aid arrives, and the doctor thought she

(01:07:13):
was dead. He couldn't revive her, and she had a
nervous nature, and the fact that she suffered from heart
palpitations was the cause of death. They said. But Anna's
friends are like, this doesn't seem fucking real, and her
ears look pink still, her friend said, so they figured
blood was still flowing through them. Her friends must have
just gotten drunk at the fucking funeral, though, because they

(01:07:35):
didn't tell her family about this and their assumption until
after she's buried. Great friends, no parents. You know what
I was thinking, Remember when her ears were pink. I
just say, she's still Her parents are like, what the fuck?
They dig her back up and they find Anna's body.
She's lying on her side, her fingers are not almost

(01:07:57):
to the bone, and her hair is torn out by
the handful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Of course, I mean, all bets are off. No, you
wake up in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
You're like, can I just kill me?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah. In eighteen eighty nine, a woman named Octavia Smith
married a wealthy Kentuckian named James Hatcher. They had a
son named Jacob, but the informortality rate was so high
back then that they that this Jacob died in infancy,
and Octavia goes into a deep depression. She's bedridden, and
she shows signs of a mysterious illness, and eventually she

(01:08:32):
enters a coma like state and no one can wake
her up. She's pronounced dead in May of eighteen ninety one,
just four months after her infant son died. It was
super hot that year, so Octavia is buried quickly and
ebombing wasn't a common practice yet. But a few days later,
other people in the town began falling into a similar, similar,
coma like state that she had, with shallow breathing patterns,

(01:08:55):
and they wake up a few days later, though they
discover is an illness caused by the bite of the
set sea fly. Thank you sea fly. Fearing that she
had been buried alive, her husband, James panics has her exhumed,
and she had she had been buried alive. Oh but
James was too late. Oh no, her coffin was air tight.

(01:09:17):
He found the coffin lightning had been shredded, and Octavia's
fingernails were bloody. Yes, yes, so many bloody fingernails, and
her face was frozen in a shriek of terror.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I believe that James is traumatized as fuck and reburies
his wife, erects a lifelike monument of her that sits
in the cemetery that she's still buried in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
I know, did say where.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Is I think Kentucky was where they're from, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, I mean that's there's a mausoleum you want to
go visit? Oh my god, midnight on Halloween?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
No, should we do it? Let's record, Let's record on
Halloween from a fucking cemetery inside a mausoleum.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Want to as many people as can fit, so it'll
be like an eleven person live show and we'll all
be screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
At the top of more loans the entire time, okay.
Eleanor Markham is an American woman who became one of
the most prominent cases of of averted premature burial in
the nightgeenth century. According to his reports, twenty two year
old h Markham Eleanor Markham was pronounced dead in Sprankers,

(01:10:22):
New York. Just like, what, how have I not known
about that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
You know what I would love if Lily misspelled Yonkers Sprankers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
If Sprankers is real, We're doing an only Spranker's hometown
mini episode next week, Sprankers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Do you mind Wikipedia when when George has done, we
can do a quick update on Rankers is all about Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
My god, it's real.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Off the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Yes, Sprankers is a hamlet in the town of Root, Montgomery,
New York. Wow, sprinkers notable people. George A. Mitchell, founder of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Cadillac, oh is from sprankers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
From sprinkers, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
That's why every Cadillac has the trademarked Spranker's handle on
the driver's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Please send us spranker's hometown and put in the subject
line spranker's hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Please write spranker's bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Please keep in a subject. Please let us keep saying
the word sprankers. It's our favorite word. Wow. Okay, this
is July eighth, eighteen ninety four.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Oh im my fifty and I've never heard the town
name of Sprankers, New York.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
They're fiercely private.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I'm so tired of people keeping things from me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
It does feel like people are always keeping shit from us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
It feels like people are talking behind our back about sprankers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Like everyone knows about it. It us. They refuse to tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Should we get a sprankers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
This is the only podcast that doesn't know about sprankers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
It's so sad when they talk and they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
And I don't mention sprankers. Every five minutes, Okay, she's dead.
They say it's warm they're gonna bury her quickly. Her
coffin is closed and fastened. After the family members say
goodbye in the church and on the way to the graveyard,
the hearse has stopped after a noise is heard coming
from the coffin.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Oh my god, she doesn't, she doesn't go underground.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Now the lid is unfastened, and she says, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Burying me alive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I love her, I'm in sprankers, and you're marrying me alive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Onlys you're gonna bury me a live fucking sprinkers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
And then the doctor who had fucking done this was like, hush, child,
you're all right. It's a mistake, easily rectified. Yeah, now, bruh,
step off, bitch. She says that soon after she had fainted,
which is when they thought she had said, she had
recovered after being administered some stimulants cocaine. Yes, cocaine. Well
they're every alemen except for getting a lot. She said

(01:13:02):
that she had been conscious the entire time of the
preparations for burial, but she couldn't cry out, and she
finally she thought she's gonna be buried alike, like the
whole way. And finally she was like move your fucking
body sprankers and she was able to hit, you know,
make a noise.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
That's the worst thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, knowing you're gonna be your Oh my god, yes
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I don't think I usually have these feelings when we
talk about terrible, terrible things to me. No, this one's
getting to me. Yeah, I do not like, well, I
guess what you're gonna be there, sprank you so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Her case is among those included in the book Premature
Burial and How It May Be Prevented by William Tebb
and Edward vulam So in nineteen Tabin.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Volum they wrote the best books.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Yeah so. Another one is in nineteen thirty seven and
nineteen year old from France named Angelo Hayes. He goes
for a fucking motorcycle ride, hits a fucking wall, fucking
headfirst into a brick wall. His head is mangled, he
has no pulse. He's so terrible to look at that.
They're like to his family, you can't see him. Yeah,

(01:14:12):
now you know, it just sucks. He's declared dead and
buried three days later. Oh no, but the insurance company
was like, we don't, we don't buy it. Exhuom the
body because they're insurance company. We won't pay yeah, and
tell me to see. They discover that his body is
still warm and in the aftermath of the accident, his

(01:14:32):
body had put him into a deep coma yes, and
didn't need a lot of oxygen. So he's still fucking alive.
After being buried alive, he received proper medical care and
went on to make a full recovery. No a way.
What's his name? Angelo, Angelo Hayes?

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Wow? Angelo?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
He uh? He invented a type of security cofton after this.
Why do we keep saying cofton?

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
You're you're saying calftan with a weird accent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I am just like dying to be in my calftaner cough.
He tours across France showing off his security coffin and
in it is a small oven, a refrigerator and a
high THI cassette player.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
No, yeah, that's what it says. So this was like
in the sixties, like a later, this was in the
in thirty seven nineteen thirty seven high Fight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Did you say cassette player?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Did I hear that wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Is that what I meant? Cassette player?

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
High Fi cassette player well, those aren't quotes, so I didn't. Yeah,
Lily quote is quoting herself.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Now I'm questioning everything. You already said Lily's name, and
I'm like, is that this? How the fuck would I know?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Lily's like record campy right, she's like twenty two too,
so she wouldn't know. She's like cassettes are from eighteen
forty three, right, their vintage? Okay. In two thousand and seven,
a Venezuelan man named Carlos Camejo. He's thirty three. He's
declared dead after an accident and a highway accident. Taking
to the Morgue, examiners begin their autopsy. Oh, then he

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starts bleeding, which you guess what, guys, dead bodies don't bleed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Yeah, that's day one medical school. Yeah, remember that did
one of autopsy school. He starts bleeding and then he
wakes up and he's an excruciating pain and the autopsy yeah,
I bet because he's still alive and that table's so cold.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Oh god. They quickly stitch him up, and his grieving
wife had just turned up to id him and then
finds him in the hallway alive, which is so sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Ooh that's yeah, good for her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Right then, as recently as twenty fourteen, so sweet, like
to be so bummed, to be like, oh, you're alive,
your life. I think he has a huge scar. See
that's a romance story, not your fucking that's right, shitty.
Not you do great? I mean you. I was also
in twenty fourteen a case of a woman being buried

(01:17:02):
alive in Greece. She had to come to cancer and
her children heard her screams coming from her grave. No,
not long after burial, she's exhumed and it was discovered
that she actually died of cardiac arrest after she was buried.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
No, I know, said, did you say twenty fourteen?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yeah I did?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Oh man, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I promise, never mind,
I don't want to jinx, I will.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I'll come and check your grave. Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And if your trumpet or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Poke me with a safety pin or something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Oh, make sure that the fireworks haven't gone off, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah, no, pue. Most of these modern cases are because
of unforeseen circumstances and just plain bad luck. The positibility
of the postibility, the postibilities. The possibility of being buried
alive today is virtually impossible because of embalming. However, if
twenty fourteen was five years ago, I know what it's grease.

(01:17:58):
I'm just kidding. I don't know what that means. Some
scientists say that you can survive up to thirty six
hours if you've been buried alive with the oxygen. So like,
keep knocking, keep knocking, knocking, shallow breath, make sure you
get make sure you get buried with like a tasty
cakes in your pocket or something. That's why I always
have a protein bar that's right in a cell phone.

(01:18:19):
Yeah right. It all depends on how much air is
in the coffin. And those are stories of buried alive
in a grave.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Unbelievable in a coffin in a cofugh tan, oh, in
a coffin in a coff tan there. I love that
because I really was getting upset, really getting upset. That's
you know, there's a Ryan Reynolds movie where he is
buried alive now and it's him in a lighter. It's
very frustrating. It's not the whole movie, but it's a
lot of the movie. It's all insanity.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Buried alive in a coffin, in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
A grave, in a grave, in a grave in a grave. Wow,
that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, welcome to Hell basically Fall. We're welcoming in fall.
That's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
That's that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, Yeah, it's exciting. Get your shirts with bats on them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah, we get ready to transition out of summertime?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And are you gonna be for Halloween this year?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
I'm probably gonna be buried alive in a grade. I
think the film. The lead in the film, let's make it.
Let's make it as a student film to go back
to school. But the whole yeah, but the whole thing
is it's much more like it's like What's Up movie,
It's like My Dinner with Andre where it's the discussion

(01:19:29):
about being buried gray. No one has to go into
a coffin, but it gets like sant Elsewhere kind of
where it's like, is that the one where it's like
sane Almo's fire, Yes, yeah, or like someone that is like, well,
I'm gonna try it, Yeah, try it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Robbie, you're so wild.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Oh my god, you're crazy. Rablo starts playing the saxophone.
A lot of amazing cocaine use in that movie. I
love it. Demi Moore like does way too much cocaine
and she opens all the windows in her room and
then there's like this insanely eighties shot of her. I'm

(01:20:05):
sure I've described this before because it's truly one of
my favorite memories from my teen years. And this is
how everyone in my family should have known that I
was a drug addict waiting to happen, because that scene
was like, I was like, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
She's just diding cocaine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
She did a ton of coke by herself and then
was in her room holding her knees. She was I
think she was wearing like a shirt and no pants,
holding her knees.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
All the windows were open, and these long white curtains
were blowing, and you were like, great, that looks like
I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I want to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
That looks lonely and cold her room.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I think it's because she had high ceilings in the
walls were painted a cool color. From what I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Romanticizing cocaine, I mean, it's one of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
The more romantic elements in filmmaking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
What's your wow?

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Oh what my fucking hooray is? And I'm sorry because
this is a it's a tat of a repeat because
I think in the rec room last week I read
commended Tar Rocks podcast Who is the She's a Buddhist
teacher and like a meditation teacher and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
So I was listening to her podcast this morning and
I have a quote I want to read from it.
I want to because I liked this so much and
it helped me so much that I actually typed it
up and sent it to my therapist because I was like,
how weird is this? Because this is kind of what
we were talking we had been talking about. So if
you would indulge me, I'm going to read even more
off a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Please do sprankers? Can I first start by saying sprankers?
That's kind in the name of the episode, right, not
being compaired a live grave?

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, yeah, it feels.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Like maybe sprankers with a question mark.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
So this is from an episode of her podcast. I
just started listening to random episodes in the morning, like
it's kind of a way to wake up and be
calm or whatever. And so this it's a two part
series called How Hope Can Heal and fore Us, which
seemed like a good thing too listen to, and this
part it really got me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
One close your eyes even if you're driving.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Okay, if you're driving, pull over wherever you are, Okay.
So she's starting. She's talking about a felt sense of
severed belonging. So severed belonging is like the pain a
lot of us, oh, a lot of us do, but
it is not real. It's just a felt sense. Is
the is the way she specifies it as opposed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
To our reality.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
So she says, it happens typically in early childhood when
our parents also had severed belonging and are unable to
create that resonance field where we're seen and gotten for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Who we are.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
So when there's not really a safe, loving, filled with
understanding sense of attonement in our home life, that is
a sense of being cut off. And when there's enough nurturance,
when there's really good mirroring, I see you, I get you,
that's what activates the neural connections in the frontal cortex.
So our capacity, especially the relational network in the frontal

(01:23:02):
cortex that has to do with empathy and compassion, that
gets activated when as young children we're in a resonance field,
and when we're not, in other words, when we don't
get seen and we don't get that loving, we don't
get the activation in our frontal cortex. We're not able
to engage in relationships so fully because there's no trust
and there's some sense of danger. So when that happens,

(01:23:24):
instead of being guided by wholeness or an activated brain
and an awake heart, we're guided by our olympic system
that looks for what's threatening and dangerous and tends not
to trust others. In animal studies, in chimps, when the
mother is erratic and mothering, sometimes they're sometimes not. The
erraticness is what sets off a sense of insecurity and trauma.

(01:23:46):
When the mother's erratic, the babies end up binge eating,
being antisocial, withdrawn and fearful. And then she starts laughing,
and everyone in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
The room starts laugh because we're all like hi.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
And then she goes, does that sound familiar? And then
she says it creates the groundwork for depression because when
we're cut off from that sense of connection with others,
when we're living in anxiety, the tendency is to want
to push under our life energy because it's so unpleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Hmmm. And I'll say the podcast name again because I
I and everyone who is closing their eyes driving needs to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
It's just I don't think it's just Tara Brock is
the way if you put it in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Into like iTunes, if you, if you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Our podcast, if you just if you put her name
in that, it's the one that comes up, and then
you can go through and it's whatever the title is
that I said at the beginning that I didn't write down.
It's just the kind of thing where because it's it's
medically based, so it's not saying conceptually and here's these
concepts or whatever. It's like, this is the truth about how.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Our brains, how your brains are developed, and like you're
not feeding your brain with the correct you know, nutrients
that it needs, which is nurturing and reliability.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
And someone looking at you and going yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Yeah, yeah, So of course you're not going to fucking
you know, grow and thrive and not get depression and
not feel you know, you're alienated.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Right, You're gonna you learn to cope and then you
kind of and everything is like danger And it's just
so fascinating because I think it's also it's not you
feeding yourself. It's like this is what happens to tons
of people in their childhoods. This is the way you
come up, and it's versions of this. It doesn't You
don't have to have had the worst child in the world.

(01:25:39):
You could have a great one. But if there's any
kind of erraticness or lack of consistency, then you these things.
You have these reactions for a very real, almost medical reason,
like a biological reason.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I think that's really helped me with my anxiety and
knowing that I am I it's all it's all learned behavior,
and it can be learned or you know, it can
be if it's not unlearned while it's happening. I can
remind myself of these things if I practice them enough.
So I'm actually maybe my fucking her eyes that I'm
doing EMDR right now, which is not electronic dance music

(01:26:14):
you've already done. That I know helped you a lot.
Did I really feel free? I'm sorry I'm not at
burning Man this week, but I'm there with you Burners.
And yes, so we were thinking of She made me
think of a positive, happy time in my life, and
I thought of it, you know, and it was it
was so I could cope for this weekend's baby shower.
That I'm throwing from my sister at my house.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
And lots of issue, lots of potentials, a rich area.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
The first time my mom and I have seen each
other since we kind of made up, it's going to
be interesting. And the thing I thought about was a
family gathering at my mom's house and how positive it
can be and how great we can be together totally,
and it kind of changed my mind and my mood
about what it's going to be like this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
So awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Therapy, guys, God.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
It works. It's just you know what it is. Instead
of thinking that what you think about yourself is absolutely
the truth and going with that, just running it by
someone who went to school about these things, who can
be like no, no, no, real hold on, you can't
do it if no one did it for you, It can't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
It can't come out of nowhere. It has. You have
to give yourself the chance to learn it, and you
have to give yourself the chance to change.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
My favorite thing about that I've learned in therapy is
that like the things we're doing now are things that
we used as children and when we were younger to
cope with our situation in our lives and to get
just get through, yes, and to survive. And we're still
doing them even though they're not needed and helping us
send it more right, they're effective and they're maybe hindering

(01:27:48):
us now. And so you can say to those those
things that you did and what you needed, like, thank you,
you got me here, and now I can do it
with like in a different way. Yeah, and now I
can do it in my way because I'm parenting myself
now exactly, And that you are.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
It's not you, You're not this like separate, special case broken. Yeah,
it's every single person, truly, every person. And that's actually
very helpful if you're ever intimidated or you ever feel
like you can't do something because you're not good enough, or.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
You don't deserve like you don't deserve therapy. I know
a lot of people think that, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
But actually, when you think about it, every person that
is around you, probably most eighty five percent of those people.
That's a guess. I never went to any kind of school, really,
but everyone is working from this damaged twelve year old
at the oldest. I mean, you're you're that voice in
your head that's the meanest and the scariest and the
most convincing the fear voice that it's it's very uneducated,

(01:28:45):
it's very young, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Think they're helping you. Yes, that voice thinks it's helping you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, it means well, but it means well in a
mean way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So now you get to make this brilliant decision to
not live your life like that anymore. And how lucky
are that we get that opportunity?

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, especially me with my big white teeth. Oh my god,
I'm so different.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Welcome to the I forgot to tell you the secret
handshake for us big white teeth people.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
Yeahs touching front teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I'm just trying to get to kiss me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
You rub your teeth together, you so, he whispered, very quietly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Sprinkles.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
What's it called ss?

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Sprinkers?

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Sprinkers, you whisper springers, New York. It's a hamlet in
New York.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Everybody knows it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
With big white tea.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Oh thanks for sucking doing this with us, you guys
once again, you guys, stick with it. Yeah, please please
stick with us. Yeah, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Goodbye, spankers, sprinkers

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Elvis, do you want a cookie,