19 - Nineteen Kills And Counting

This week Karen and Georgia focus on the depravity of the human race by discussing Norwegian sh*t head Anders Behring Breivik and the unsolved horror that is the "Freeway Phantom." Grab your anti-depressants and come along on a roller coaster ride of murder!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is recording.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Now. Am I gonna really annoy you if I keep
telling you not to hold that part of them?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
No, You're I need it?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Is I an annoy you? Though? I feel like at
some point you're gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Murry, let's plan out our first fight now.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'll cross are crying immediately.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I feel like anytime we've even come within thirty miles
of the slightest fight, we have a total talk down.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, we'd be like I want to talk to about something. Yeah,
I like that.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Did I say that?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
No? That we both Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I like that.
I think it's because we started our friendship at a
place of vulnerability. Yes, by talking about literally being vulnerable,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
And also, and when I think about being in a
fight with you, it makes me immediately want to start crying.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm just like, I can't have it. I just can't.
I'll do anything to make sure it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
That makes I'm going to do so much shit now
now that I know I have a fucking cart blanche
free with.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You, well I will. I'm not saying I won't very
firmly confront you.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Right, it's not a fight if you're just screaming at me.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
If I scream, you're down into a corner.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, that's not technically a fight. If it's one punch on,
I'm out, that's not a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Some of my favorite fights because I do the irish
thing where I won't say anything and then all of
a sudden, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I'll just be irish goodbye you.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think I know that, and that's why I'm like,
that's what I'm scared of.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Right which, but that's why I'm saying I'll be very
I'll be total conversations at the jump, at the slightest thing.
That's why I'll always be like, here's how I feel,
here's my thing, and here's my I need you to
know my thing.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We're adults and we know our things by now.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, you gotta say your thing. It's I you know what.
It's only fair that you give the other person a chance.
You say here's the thing, and the other give the
other person a chance.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And you'll know by the response whether or not there's
someone that you can have a lifelong relationship with, or
at least for the next few weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Do it again until.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
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out already, we must be we're not today.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That was loud.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
That was the best reaction.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
No, it suck. We're still you guys are in the
top ten iTunes comedy podcast. We were number one a
week ago. I'm disappointed in you guys. No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I don't say that.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So maybe the reason we're not number one anymore is
because we haven't. Nobody knows what podcast this is. Hey,
this is my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh yeah, this is my favorite murder starring Georgia hart.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
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Speaker 1 (03:01):
We say each other's names if that.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
If you're trying to figure out who's talking, I always
say Georgia hard Stark.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Uh. But it's like a cute. I think it's things.
People do it on the radio a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
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fucking storied, famed Facebook group that everyone loves that has
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Speaker 1 (03:23):
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Speaker 2 (03:26):
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all cool somehow. They're all fucking.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Cool because everybody gets that everybody else wants everybody to
be cool.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, and when they're not cool and they like get
a talking to, they're like, I'm sorry, cool someone. Our
last names are kill hard together, Oh, hard kill, hard kill,
hard start, and kill Gera.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
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Speaker 2 (03:49):
They are kind of Badassi murder name. It's almost like
fucking fate. It's fucking they hard Kill. That's the name
of our TV show. That's a good idea. The hard
Kill Kill, the book we write together about.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I feel like if we do the hard Kill, we
should both dressed up as like we should dress up
like kind of seventies news anchors.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I was gonna think you were gonna say spy versus
spy and try.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
To kill each other. But we have to be vulnerable
about it and really discuss it.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, it looks sad.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I feel like I want to come at you with
a knife.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
But heart kill is definitely seventies anchor women.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, we're like, we have bows at the neck and
feathered hair.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Feathered hair you because you already have this great would
be feathered hair. I'll do like a Mary lou Retten
h cut. Oh my god, I'd right with that.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Got heart kill. Let's do this thing.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
There are any is anyone listening who wants to make
a TV show.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
We were specifically talking about sex. If anyone from sex,
we just call out, well, you know what. That's how
they do it on The Secret. You just ask for
what you want to the universe, or you know, to
podcast podcast listeners. I just sit in at work today.
Everybody had a conversation about how they don't understand what
podcasts are and they don't understand why they're popular. And

(05:08):
I just sit there, like, like with my Dirty Secret
that I have two podcasts and looking that.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You fucking they bring you joy, like you don't even
just have them.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I almost at one point said, it's kind of like
if you could control the radio. It's a radio show.
It's a radio If you liked what you were listening
to on the radio, that's kind of what it's like.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's a radio show. And there are various topics all
that span everything, and you're always gonna find when you're
interested in.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, it's basically, if do you like two dudes just
interrupting each other?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
They've got that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I've got a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
They've got that.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
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in junior high about Murder or here We've got Hello
and Welcome.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's us that nobody knew that you had two podcasts.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, Kreiseel knows, my boss knows, but he wasn't saying anything.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
He was like, keeping your secret.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
And Fred knows because he's been on one of them, right,
but he was just it was just everybody kind of
I had that exact same feeling before I started listening
to podcasts. I was like, why would anyone want to
listen to stand up comics talking? That's all I've listened
to over the past twenty years of my life. It's
so boring unless you're really shit faced or at.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
This MPR, nobody likes fucking nevermind, I'm not going to
talk shit on him.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, let's not beat show talkers. What I do like
is cool music jams. That's how I usually spend my time.
If I'm going to just listen to something not.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Me fucking audio book, you're all about that break.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
But then you know when the first couple of times
I listened to podcasts driving home to San Francisco on
the five God bless no it got it makes the
ride feel like it's an hour long.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I'm a friend who was on a fucking road trip
with her boyfriend this weekend, texting me, we're listening, We're
on episode twelve, like, totally into it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Don't you love?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
There was a couple of people who were sending who
are posting on the Facebook page, why don't you guys
have an episode twelve? And well, it turns out we do.
That's our bodies are twelves. Oh yeah, another a great title.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'll say it myself.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But I was immediately like, oh shoot, because of when
we misnumbered the other ones when we thought fifteen was sixteen.
I assumed they were right immediately. But it was some
weird thing with glitch. Yeah, it was an iTunes glitch
or something glitch.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
We should have said this from the beginning, because I
bet people are fast forwarding through this, this chit chap
to the murders. That's how I feel about myself. That's
how myself is.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
We cannot blame you.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
We have T shirts and this is the last if
you're listening to this, this like now, real time, real time,
this is a last call to this T shirt.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
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Speaker 2 (07:59):
Happy My favorite murder shirts dot com go buy one.
The end. I don't wait.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
How much longer do they have?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I don't know. I think we'll just leave it up
for a couple more days so this podcast can come out,
this episode can come out, and then people can get
it to like Monday or Tuesday. If it's there, it's
still there, and then but then.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
If not, they'll be a second phase design.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, but it won't be this design.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
No, we're going to do a new one and it
will be you will be able to get a T
shirt that says stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah right, yep, we've already announced that, have we?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, I don't know. Have we?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I don't know. I don't listen to this podcast, I
like MPR. Should we do?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
But that's that you were bridging, So if you hear
that noise, you know you can stop fast forwarding through
the talking.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
That is the dial.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Somebody actually did tweet and ask because if we could
please put in markers so that they can get straight
to the murders.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I didn't take it that way.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I just started laughing as I was like, as if
I would ever know how to do anything technical?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Ever?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh no, I feel like yet five you get five
minutes in. That's what I lost five to ten.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, let's do five. No, let's do as much as
we fucking want to know what? You know what?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I listen to this podcast called Sleep with Me that
I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You love that podcast.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
It helps you fall asleep at night. Just a guy
telling boring stories and I fast forward the first five minutes.
Yet I'm yelling at people not to do it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
You know, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right, let's just not be like everyone else. Everybody
be yourself. Be yourself, and uh, especially with podcasts. Yeah,
and thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I think that's how you know we have done that
last time. That'll be the new thing.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Her transition is get fake.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
We pretend like we're gonna of the room and the
murders are now going.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
To tell themselves. Here, let's introduce Karen and Georgia. That's
a good idea that is in us. Yeah, we're the
we're the intro hosts. Okay, we're exactly at ten minutes now.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Okay, Okay, you're you're first this week and first this week. Okay,
let's get down to business. The one I want to
mess around. What is this something circus in town?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
We're gonna get weep into this ship? Are you guys
your favorite murders? Wait? Where the fuck is my favorite? Oh?
My god? I thought mine was deleted from my Oh
my god. All right, I've never heard of this one. Uh,
the Freeway Phantom Killer.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh shit, y'all heard of this one? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't think. So this is some fucked up ship.
And here's what I was thinking. I don't want to
I want to not only do white women like Martha
mock getting killed, right, I don't want to do that.
I found this one, and I'm like, I've never heard
of this, and it's a fucking serial killer wore six
young girls ough gotten murdered in the same area.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Are they women of color?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
They are all black women?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, that's fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And it's tragic. It's the I'll get into it, all right, Okay,
I go. So. The Freeway Phantom was a name given
to an unidentified serial killer known to have abducted, rape,
and strangled six female youths in the Washington, DC area
from April nineteen seventy one through September in nineteen seventy two,

(11:40):
that's not even a fucking year. No, which immediately makes
you think he got arrested right afterwards or moved on. Oh,
because they don't know who it is. Oh yeah, unidentified
still Oh sorry, okay, no, it's fine, it's fine. I
have some suspects. The victims were all African American girls,
but between the ages of ten and eighteen. No, no,

(12:04):
sweet baby angels. Okay. So the first one was in
April nineteen seventy one, thirteen year old Carol Sphinx was
sent by her sister to go to a seven eleven
located half a mile away from her home, which is
like what you do back then, you go? Uh and
thirteen that's like old.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And I oh so old. We used to walk to
the store.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
The corner store, which is like easily a half a
mile away, every single day from when I was like
six years old.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, we used to. We used to jaywalk on one
of the busiest streets, like encouraged to jaywalk to the
store across the streets. Just cut across the street. You
just run fast. Yeah, you fucking idiot. On her way
home from the store, Carol was abducted and her body
was found six days later. On a grassy embankment next
to the northbound lanes of the Eye two ninety five.

(12:53):
Over a month later, in July, Darlinia Johnson was sixteen,
was abducted while on her way to summer job at
a recreation center. Eleven days later, her body was discovered
fifteen feet from where Sphinx had been found. So again
on the freeway near the freeway. In July nineteen seventy one,
little ten year old Brenda Crockett failed to return home

(13:16):
after having been seen sent to the store by her
mother again three hours up. Okay here this is interesting,
three hours after Brendo was last seen because they were
immediately like this, she should have come home. The phone
rang and it was answered by her seven year old sister,
who was waiting at home to see if she'd come
home while her family was searching the neighborhood. Brenda was
on the line crying, and she said, a white man

(13:39):
picked me up, and I'm heading home in a cab,
And then she added that she believed she was in
Virginia before abruptly sang bye and hanging up. Weird, what
a short time later?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Sorry if it's nineteen seventy one, how is she calling
from being? How is she calling from a cab?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, there's a lot of okaycies. Well let's I want
to hear your opinion, want to okay?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
And this sucks?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I know.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, no, no, I mean I guess.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I feel like I can see them in my head.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I do too. A short time later, the phone rang again,
and this time it was answered by the boyfriend of
Brenda's mother. It was Brenda again, and she repeated what
she said to her sister and then said, did my
mother see me? And he asked how could she see
you when you're in Virginia, And the boyfriend also said,
tell the man to come to the phone and tell

(14:29):
me where you're at and I'll come get you. The
boyfriend then heard heavy footsteps in the background, and Brenda said,
I'll see you, and the line went dead. A few
hours later, Brenda was found by a hitchhiker on Route
fifty near the Eye two ninety five, in a place
where she couldn't be missed. She had been raped and
strangled and a scarf is knotted around her neck. What is.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
The thing?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Did my mom see me? Makes me think? She like
drove by the house in this person's car, like somehow
it was someone they knew, you know what I mean?
And it was a white man, was maybe and I'm
coming home? Was maybe a the killer told her that

(15:18):
told her to say that to throw them off, because
I bet they didn't expect them to start searching for
her so quickly. Right, Also, maybe she was in the neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I wonder, like why would he let her use the phone.
Was she on drugs or drugged in some way that
she was saying weird shit like you know, like she
got chloroformed, woke up, grabbed the phone to something.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
But why would that happen a couple times?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Whereas he was the guy. Yeah, it makes me think
that it's someone she knew. Did my mom see me
m or maybe he maybe he lied to her and said,
your mom sent me to come get you or something.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh, yeah, your mom knows that you're getting in the
car with me.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, your mom saw what you were doing. I don't know, Okay.
So authorities quickly concluded that Brenda's call home was at
the behest of the killer. That's just their guests, you know. Furthermore,
one witness reported having seen one of the victims Miss

(16:23):
Johnson in an old black car driven by an African
American mail shortly after her abduction. So then, in October
nineteen seventy one, twelve year old Nemoshia Yates was walking
home from a Safeway store in northeast Washington, d C.
When she was kidnapped, raped and strangled. Her body was

(16:44):
found within a few hours of her abduction. Again, which
is interesting that he doesn't keep the bodies just off
the shoulder of the Pennsylvania Avenue. The shoulder of Pennsylvania
Avenue in Maryland. It's after this murder that the quote
freeway phantom moniker was first used in the City Tablet
article describing the murders. So in the last murder, it

(17:09):
was November nineteen seventy one. After having dinner with a
high school classmate, Brenda Woodward, eighteen, boarded a city bus
to return to her home, and six hours later, police
officers discovered her body, stabbed and strangled in a grassy
area near an access ramp to Route two O two

(17:30):
in the Baltimore Washington Parkway. Okay, so here's a weird
Oh No, that's not the final victim. That's the second
to final victim, I'm sorry. So a code had been
placed over her as if it was like tucking her in,
and in the pockets there was a note from the killer.
It said, this is tantamount to my sorry, this is

(17:50):
tantamount to my intensitivity to people, especially women. I will
admit the others when you can catch me. Exclamation mark
sign the free way, phantom. But he wrote free dashway
the freeway, phantom. And they're saying that it looks like
the note was written by the victim in her own handwriting.
But I looked at the note and it looks like

(18:11):
a fucking psychopath's handwriting. It doesn't look like.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Her hand So did they Were they interpreting as like
a young person's handwriting or.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, like that it wasn't hers, But I didn't no, no, no,
not a young person, just like I don't know why
they came to that conclusion. And nobody, I'll tell you why.
Nobody knows that.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Also, is he using the word tantamount correctly?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Let's that will come back around, Okay, Yeah, I know
what you mean. Yeah, this is tantamount to my insensitivity
to people, especially So he's saying, this is the point,
this is, this is how much I don't like people
or don't care about people, especially women. Right, that's what

(18:55):
his point is.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I always thought that meant tantamount, meant equivalent, though.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's what it means. So I think this murder of
this girl is equivalent to how much I don't give
a shit about people. Okay, I mean it's not used correctly,
got it? So, September nineteen seventy grammar no, because it
actually comes back. It's an interesting word to use that
one would think can be like in the Jinx how
he spelled Beverly yes, which helped get him caught. Is

(19:24):
a fucking great clue.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Every single thing, every lie.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Every dot of the eye can can like can indicate something,
indicate or exonerate. Yeah, something that's right. So September nineteen
seventy two. The Phantom's final victim so the high school
senior Diane Williams. She had cooked dinner for her family
and then visited her boyfriend's house. She was last seen

(19:49):
boarding a bus again, and a short time later, her
strangle of body was discovered alongside the I two ninety five,
just south of the district line. So those are the
murders they rape? Yeah, So thirty of the slangs supposedly

(20:10):
triggered one of the largest investigations in the region of scene.
Two dozen detectives were assigned to the hunt initially, and
the FBI was called in until Watergate diverted the agency's manpower.
Oh man, fucking rich politicians ruin it again.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
With their stupid bullshit.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yep, it's my cat kicking you a little bit.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
So among the individuals considered were a gang known as
the Green Vaga Rapists. That's a fucking cheery name. Jesus,
do you think they danced?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
What were they up to?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Not just simple little I played craps. Members of this
gang were collectively responsible for numerous Washington, DC and surrounding
Maryland vicinity rapes and abductions that occurred near the Washington Beltway,
so everyone thought it was them. One dude was like,
one of the gang members who and they were all incarcerated,

(21:05):
was like, I know it wasn't me yet nothing to
do with it. I know who did it. If you
don't say who I am, if you keep me anonymous,
I'll give you information. And they were like okay, and
he was going to identify. He identified the guy, the
date and location of the crime, and a signature detail
which was not provided to the public but which is
known only to the perpetrator and to detectives. That signature

(21:25):
information was correct. The inmate who provided the information because
he wasn't involved, blah blah blah, and alibi verified alibi.
But during this period, an election was being held in
Maryland and one of the candidates publicly announced to the
press that a break had occurred in the Freeway phantom
investigation and provided that an inmate at the prison where

(21:46):
this guy was at had given information. Now, after that announcement,
the inmate who provided the information.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Was I was killed.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, not killed, but maybe eventually. But he was like
later days and denied that he had anything. He was
just like you roube total really you idiot politician being
idiot and looking through the I don't think he. I
don't think they had any that they were involved.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I don't think the green Yeah, vigar rapists.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Looking at the evidence and their their mo and this
sounds like the work of one person. Yeah, I don't
think this was them. And it's like raping. Rape is
a different crime than murdering and kidnapping. Raping murdering with
bare hands, disposing of a body.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, I would think that in gangs, like it reminds
me of like Hell's Angels or something, where they take
whom they don't usually. Raping a ten year old child
is crosses a line, even when you are a gang member,
even when you are like pedophilia and all that kind
of shit is not that's not just standard and activity.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Gaining access and the trust of these girls and to
get you know, he had to have gotten them in
his car somehow, that's right, They had gone with him somehow.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's it's wolf and she's fathing. If you see a
gang member, if you see three gang members coming at you,
fucking run, you don't get in their car.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Even then, children are talked, don't talk to strangers. Yeah,
so if you see but yeah, if you see gang members,
you're not going to fucking get in the car.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
All right, So I don't think it's them, But the
case is still open, as we said, so fucked up.
Let's see here, all right, So and there's not The
last article I could find from any of this was
from twenty thirteen. So and at that time, all right,

(23:44):
let's here we go. So the DC Police detective James
train them. He's kind of the dude now who's like,
I'm going to try to or was like two thousand
and six, he's like, I'm going to get this sucker,
and a lucky hit on DNA sample could change all that.
So here, but here's the fucking thing. Everything got law
everything got lost or destroyed. All of the fucking evidence.

(24:07):
What and that's why that note there's a photo of it,
but you know, there's no way to test it. Everything
got thrown away and destroyed. No, yep. But the good
news is that because it was in different districts, they
were able to find a DNA sample from a district
that not the main district that like. So Marylyn has

(24:30):
Maryland State Police have a sample found on Williams, one
of the girls who was killed, and they had never
tested it because they because she was leaving her boyfriends,
so they figured that she had had sex with her
boyfriend that night. So they never fucking tested the DNA.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
What Why wouldn't they ask her she was dead?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh my ask him?

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Ask him? I forgot what podcast I was on?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
They did ask him and he said they didn't have sex.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's so irritating.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Like anytime you talk about like police making assumptions, I
just my mind goes to, like what and this is.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Why people I don't want to like, I don't want
to just fucking bury all the cops in this and everything,
because this is how stuff was done back how stuff
was done, and it seems like they did put a
lot of work into it. But if you ask the families,
which there's a lot of interviews from the families, they
fucking didn't And the families are like, it's because if

(25:37):
these were all blonde, white women, this would have been solved.
That's exactly right, And you know you can't help but
believe that.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Of course, of course that's true. Of course it is.
That's just been tested out time and again. But the
other thing is that the attitude of these cops is
like immediately you're the victim of crime, your dead, you've
been murdered, and suddenly it's like, well she.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Fucked her boy, Yeah there is.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
You can hear the slug shaming through the years and
you and you just know that that's the they were.
It makes me crazy. It's just like not treating people
with respect, even in death.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
They agree, And this is why I wanted to do this.
This is why when I was looking for the next one,
I was like, I've never fucking heard about this. Yeah,
and this is like six children got fucking murdered and
there's nobody who got ever, you know, fingered for it.
It's insane. Yeah. So this guy drained train him. He

(26:37):
took it up as a cold case in two thousand
and four. He was like, I'm gonna solve this. He
thought he had a key piece of evidence that on
the clothing of the Phantom's last known victim, they found
a potential DNA sample. Let's see here, Okay, So because
her body was discovered over this over the district line,

(27:00):
Prince George, Maryland Police initially handled the case, and so
they had this information and so it's like this, I've
found all these articles that they're like, so the DNA
testing will be done, if the sample yields a good profile,
it'll be submitted to the database. Blobberty bloh. But the
last fucking thing I can find about that was from
twenty thirteen. So I don't know if it's been tested or.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I feel like there should be money.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
I think there's one hundred and fifty oh to test it.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, I'm just saying I feel like people in this
country need jobs, and like there's like the whole thing
of like old rape kits that haven't gone tested and
that they're actually doing. What I love is Mrsca Arcta
is doing all that work to change it, which God
bless her and all the other people. There's a bunch
of people that are like, there is the woman that's the.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Mayor of.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
The city council woman in Detroit, or she's the mayor
of somewhere. It's on the face book page. That's where
I read it. But these people that are just stepping
up and being like and nanew But I feel like
some company could make money. Why why aren't they just
prioritizing this the way they do everything else in charms
of financial gain, pay people like get it going.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay, let's let's change that, and let's change statute limitations one.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Rape, which is insane.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
There's a statue I just want everyone to think about that.
There's a statute of limitations on fucking rape, even if
it's pedophilia.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, and if it's a ten year old girl that
was just trying to go to the corner store.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
And here's one thing I'll change is I'll remember that
the people that were talking about are dead.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know what. I don't know what to ta think. Yes,
you know what, it was this? What's that?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
The second that you started saying that of like they
just assumed she had sex with a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I just went down that whole thing of like, how
many stories to this day in twenty sixteen you hear
of judges being the sexism and the misogyny that you
hear to this day in the legal system.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
And the reason why you'll well never know the exact
number of rape victims is because why would you go
why would you come forward with this rape if you
know you're going to be like, well, you fucked your
boyfriend earlier. So it's probably not.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's just sickening.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I mean, it's happening less and less, but the fact
that it still happens at all is just a disgrace.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's just like, we need to do better as the
human race.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
We do so train them called on an expert who
specializes in narrow This is a fucking fascinating fact. Specializes
in narrowing the field of suspects. Kim Rossmo she's a
former Canadian police officer and professor at Texas State University,
developed a computer system that plots crime events on a
map and helps determine whether suspects quote anchor point or

(29:58):
home or workplace or significantly location might be. How fucking
cool is that? Yeah, So they spent weeks looking through
reports together, they visited the crime scene, and they developed
a geographic profile of the killer's movements. I mean they
think the anchor point was in Congress Heights, just south
of of the hospital. I don't really understand. Nothing came

(30:19):
out of that. So they have a suspect that I
think sounds pretty good. So there's this dude, Robert Askins
ASKI n S who's also some like web developer. So
when you google him, put murder in. He had been
charged with raping a twenty four other woman in his house.

(30:41):
He had killed prostitutes. He had been charged three times
with homicide. He was in Saint Elizabeth's Hospital, which is
down the street from where they thought that he lived.
That the killer lived and had later been convicted in
a nineteen thirty eight killing of a prostitute by cyanide
poisoning Jesus Christ. It is set instead of turned on
legal technicalities and saying that he was too impaired to stand,

(31:05):
like too drunk at the time to be liable for it.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Did you say nineteen.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Thirty eight, Yeah, so when he was really young, and
these he was probably doing if it was him doing
these ones when he was way older.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, So they arrested him in nineteen seventy seven for
something else. They found some Okay, so here's the interesting part.
So they went through his stuff and they found in
his desk drawer a footnote from the judge, the judge's sentence,

(31:37):
and the word tantamount had been had been used over
and over, and later he would learn that this guy
askins you often use the word At the National Science
Foundation where he used it, he was worked as a
crime as a computer technician whatever when he worked with
was like, he used the word tantamount a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Never fucking use that word. I will never use that word.
I've never heard anybody else to use that word.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
That's like a that's like a fucking Elmer fed word.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, there's a tantamount, dude, dude, Uh, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
And also he was this guy white? No, that's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
He was just like a black computer scientist in the
sixties and seventies.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Can I say something, Yeah, I don't know if he
was You don't know if he was white or black. Yeah,
that's very interesting. I'm going to edit that out because
I needed I should have seen that, but I couldn't
find any photos of him.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Oh, I guess I assumed he was black because they
saw the one girl in the car with the black guy, right,
I think, But that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Okay, we'll take it off.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Technicians found on all six victims green synthetic carpet fiber fiber,
excuse me, on all but one of the victims clothing,
and they couldn't find anything like that in this dude's house.
And they dug up his backyard and they didn't find anything.
And he was never charged. He's eighty seven serving a
life sentence in north in a federal prison. I think

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he died in like two thousand and nine or so.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
But on his record, he had already been arrested for
killing people three other times.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, but they were always prostitutes. But when but when
he was asked by a reporter later he said, I
didn't do those crimes, but I fucked I hated women
so much, like he almost was like I wish I had.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, well that's crazy. So it's still an open case.
Maybe I called the crime hotline in the county, oh yeah,
and asked if they had checked the deal, if they had.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Searched the date, get an update.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And they didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.
And I feel like an idiot. Hey, at least you tried.
I wonder how you do find out about stuff like that.
I think you have to be in a you have
to have be some kind of authority. I don't think
they'll just give that out. I find out about that.
Can someone who's like in forensics find out if that.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, or just people that are listening.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
If you want to be a sleuth, try to find
out updates on the Freeway Phantom murders.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Where the last thing I saw was like they're trying
to test the DNA and then and then just nothing,
not even like there was no match or there was
it was inconclusive. I mean, I'm just curious.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's well, and also it's just it's such a quagmire
of like DNA and testing and all that stuff. It's
like there are some places where it's it takes years.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean yeah, especially places where they have a
high crime that's not their priority. And this guy's probably
dead whoever it is, right, but these people, but the
families deserve answers. And that's the point is that families
deserve answers just as much as any other family.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Sorry, wow, I don't know why I get. I'm surprised
every time that I'm like, oh, that was heavy.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Your your story from last week. Yeah, ruined people.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah, it ruined me from like age eight.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
It's so heavy, it's horrifying. It's so intense. Well was
her name, Mary Vincent.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
But that's the thing I love is that all the
people on the Facebook page just keep talking about what
a badass.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Mary Vincent is. Totally she really is.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I mean, of course, she's had hard times in her
life and you know, struggles. How could you not, But
the thing is that she's like, you know, I really
encourage everybody, if you liked that story, to watch her
episode If I Survived, because she tells her own story.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
He turns out how to daughter her age Larry Singleton. Yeah,
and she's written a few things, being like.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I read somebody posted an article on the page, but
I had read that article and it just wasn't there,
didn't seem to be pertinent information. It was just kind
of like this sucked for me too, which totally made sense,
but it just seemed like it was long enough and
I didn't want to go into.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I agree it ended up, but yeah, necessary.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Also just I feel like with all these people, you
could if you did go into all that kind of research,
you'd be talking about We'd be talking about them for
weeks yea, because it's like, what what what was Larry
Singleton's past that he got to that point? I would
love to know that.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Total And is it possible that he just did two
crimes to no way? Fuck no way, just like this
with this case the freeway phantom, but he either got
incarcerated or died or moved and did the same shit
somewhere else. Yes, Like there's no way he just had
a less than a year killing spree of six women

(36:36):
girls and then just stopped. That doesn't happen or that
was the beginning.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I just had a fantasy of like someday them in
the same way that that woman developed a computer thing
of like, here's the area that the person might be.
And I actually saw that on Numbers one time, which
is a show I'll watch every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Have you ever watched Numbers with the backwards three? Yeah,
I know, or the frontwords three being used Disney. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
But one day they could connect, you know, like we
were talking about that one killer and then we're like,
he could also be the alphabet killer from the Rochester.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, like Hillside Strangler.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Uh no, that was from last podcast and left one
of the Hillside Stranglers. They thought Kenneth Bianki might be
the alphabet But remember my guy that was in Marin
who also because he had a victim of the same name.
Like if there was a computer program that somehow could
start linking commonalities in these cases and being like, sure,

(37:32):
this person lived in Utah, Texas and Maryland, but look
at all of these, you know, And and.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
He had a cousin in Utah, he had he was
from Maryland, and he briefly visited Nevada, right where all
these other murders happened at that time. I love when
they when they do pizas together I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's so satisfying.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
It's get a big homeland map of red string and
let's start seeing where all these things actually connect.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That's so great when I when a detective and be like,
let's he was this guy's clearly a drifter. Where was
he during these times? Yeah? Calls the local precincts and
I was like, do you have any murders that look
like this?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And they're like, we've been waiting for this call for you.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And then you hear the forensic files like not a commercial?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh all right? Do you want to hear my this
week's my favorite murder?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yes? Please?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
This is what I want to do for a while.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
And I have to say, when I was looking up
the different ones that I wanted to do today, I
am very tired from my work, having to work and
do things, do homework as well. You know, I'm not
used to it. I'm kind of more of a lady
of leisure. But I realized that all the ones I

(38:52):
want to do are episodes of I survived that I've
seen that I loved, And I was like, I can't
just keep retelling I survived stories, can't you. I guess
I can, though, because I did again.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
And if you add little details in that, they didn't
add and right.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, because that's all first hand account, so it's basically
the person saying this was like what it was like
for me to go through it. But I just love
that show so much because they are amazing. The stories
themselves are crazy and amazing.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm not going to watch it because I just want
to hear from you, okay stories.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh that's that's perfect. Then I'll never have to bust
myself again.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
But they did a special and I survived of the
Norway attacks. I don't know if you remember those, but
they were the attacks on July twenty second in twenty
eleven where Anders bearing Breevik, who was a crazy, fucking
right wing fascist, lunatic, racist asshole, first blew up a

(39:49):
government building in Oslo and then went on to an
island that had a summer camp.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
And remember this horror, horrifying go on.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
All right, so there is I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I couldn't find the actual season in episode number, but
if you look up the Norway attacks I survived, they
have a special episode where it's four different kids who
were on the island who survived these attacks, and it
Also they speak perfect English.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
What isn't that where the It's the most peaceful place
in the fucking world.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
They they not since World War Two had they had
violence like this in their country.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's also has the most beautiful people.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
My college roommate Kristen was obsessed with Norway and she
went there one summer. She talked about it constantly and
she showed me these pictures. She like, we went there
and we went to this music festival and everyone was
just like a gorgeous blonde model. They are truly amazing.
So yeah, it's pretty great. I mean, they've they've got

(40:56):
it down. But of course there's all there's always got
to be an asshole to ruin things. So this guy
Honders bearing Brevic, he drove a van with a bomb
made of fertilizer and fuel oil, which was similar to
the Oklahoma bombing Oklahoma City bombing. He went and drove

(41:19):
that and parked it next to the building where the
office of the Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was, and that
van blew up. It killed eight people and it injured
two hundred and nine, twelve of them very seriously. Luckily,
fewer people than normal were in the area because it

(41:41):
was during in July, so most people that's the vacation
monk for Norwegians. And it was a Friday afternoon, so
government people were gone for the day.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Why did he do that?

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Because he was He had posted a video on YouTube
the day before where he was wearing a scuba suit
and holding AK forty seven and talking about he wanted
to rid his nation of Muslims.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, the Muslims are the problem.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
You fucking psychopathic, You fucking terrorist. You are a terrorist
trying to point the finger.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
At another case of if you don't like them, kill
yourself exactly. Yeah, this guy should.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It's too much for you. Take yourself out.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, or maybe try therapy, uh, pills.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
But look at the irony of the fact that you
are calling every you you want your nation cleansed of people.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
And the answer to that is you.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
We're actually asking people who are psychotic to look at
the irony of their statements.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Anyway, we're the naive one Storgia.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I know, but I'd rather be. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I know it's true.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
So okay, So he does this hideous bombing, all of
Oslo is just going nuts because it doesn't happen there.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It does not happen there.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And then less than two hours later, this guy Brevic,
he's dressed up like a cop.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, that's not fair, Like, I call bullshit on that.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's the creepiest, worst, that thing where you immediately have
the trust of people and you're manipulating that trust.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
So he gets on a faery and he.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Takes the faerry over to the island of Utoya. I'm
going to pronounce it like a dirty American and as
I will every other word in this article that is
basically sounds like me reading an Ikea catalog.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
It's going to be that bad.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I wonder if any murderer has ever taken a faery
to his to his murder place, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, it seems almost like maybe that should be next
week's theme.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, fairy should have taken a like like a moat,
like what's a what are the ones are your stand
up and room across the.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh like a gondola jet ski Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Like a do something, but a fucking faerry.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
He had to jump on the ferry with all the
other commuters. So he goes over to this a summer camp.
The average age of the campers are eighteen. There the
Norwegian Youth Labor Party, So it's basically it would be
like if a bunch of young Democrats and there was
a lot of children that were related to uh Hi government, yes,

(44:26):
government workers and people that were.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
So he was he was sending a message strictly to
these people, which like when has that ever worked? When
are people ever gonna be like Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, I mean here's the thing. If your plan is
to kill people's children, you're the bad guy. Sorry anyway, Yeah,
why I'm doing it again?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
So he goes over onto the island of Utoya. He
is dressed like a cop and he tells them they
hear about the bombing in Oslo, which is of course
like it's national emergency. So he as a dressed as
a police officer, goes to say that he's come for
a routine check because there's all these diplomat and politicians

(45:11):
children on this island, so he's.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
There to check if everybody's okay.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
So he meets with Monica, a woman named Monica Boise
who is the camp leader and the island hostess, and
she there is also a man who is the security
officer on the island named Trond Burnston, and he was
also an.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Off duty cop.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Oh please do something.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
He killed Brevett killed both of them immediately.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I was going to be like maybe this guy.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah no, So he basically he gets on, gets access
to the island, immediately meets with the people in charge,
takes out the adults in charge.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I'm surprised. Do you have to be to have that
happen to you, like the mom before you die?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Oh my god, it's the last thing you expect. Ye,
And so he goes down. So in this episode of
I Survived, kids tell the story. But there was a
lot of kids. They had gathered everybody up to.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Tell them that this bombing had happened in Oslo.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
So then there were still people sitting on this big
kind of outside area kind of standing around and talking
about it.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
And this guy shows.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Up dressed as a cop and he calls everyone around,
asks them to gather up, and then just start shooting.
And so the kids have it's like they've just gotten
this terrible news. Then this starts happening.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
They have no idea.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
What's going on, Like you don't even know to run
because it's so surreal.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's so surreal, that's what they all say.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
And he's dressed like a policeman, so on top of it,
they don't understand what's happening.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Because they probably still think he's a policeman. It's not
like you're like, oh, this guy lie right exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
And also you're far away enough, so if you're seeing
it happen, like they think, is this some sort of
huge prank or is it an emergency. Some of the
kids said that on the other parts of the island,
because they did have it wasn't strange that there would
be gunshots on the island because they were out in nature,
and they said that wasn't a weird thing. Yeah, like that,
that didn't surprise them. But then it was when they

(47:06):
heard screaming that they realized something bad was happening.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
This island is also very small.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, so for the next hour and a half, no, yep,
this guy walking and running around the island picking kids off.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
So kids, it's such a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
So some kids hid in a freezer, and there's there's
kids that told a story of hiding in a freezer,
like five kids. He walked into the kitchen area all
the way around and to the freezer, but didn't look
inside and walked away and that's the reason they survived.
And there's kids they it's there's article after article where
kids tell stories like that where they were in their

(47:47):
bunk they all went under mattresses or whatever and they
just held their breath and hid. And then there's other
stories that these kids tell from my survived where like
they're hiding and their phone goes off because the parents, yeah,
are calling to see if they're okay, and that's what
gives them away. It's it's bone chilling. This guy just
walks around picking off kids.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I always want to know, like the I always immediately
think when I hear stories like that, or like Colin
buying our school Shooting's like where would I be in
that room? Like where would I hide? Where would I be? Yes,
you're never gonna You're never gonna know if it's the
right place to go or not.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well. And also when you're in a panic situation like that,
you're just going to make do with what the best
you know, thing that's near you. It's just luck. It's
it's dumb luck and random fate. It's terrible. The other
thing too, is he had enough time that he was
going around, he shot kids, and then there was some

(48:46):
kids who were just laying there pretending to be dead.
He had enough time to go back around and double
check and shoot them if they weren't dead. So there,
so it's fucked. So some kids had places to hide.
Some kids would come out of the places where they
were hiding and then realized that the guy wasn't gone yet,
so they would, you know, they would hide for half
an hour and then think it must be all clear,

(49:08):
And it's just because they weren't hearing screaming anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
You guys don't leave your hiding place until a real
cop comes.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I don't know, but how would you know it?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I mean I was as I was saying that, I
was like, I.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Know, this is why.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I mean, this is like, this is such a terrible
worst case scenario because it's also in a place where nothing.
They don't have school shootings, they don't have stuff like
that happen. It's not common at all. And then they're
also it's just a kid's camp. It's like such so
much innocence that it that like it's just the most surreal.
A bunch of kids jump into the lake and start

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swimming away across and now it's really cold water, really
cold water.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And thank god.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
There were people that were on the islands across and
in the houses that heard stuff, heard gunshots, heard screaming.
At first thought that the gun shots must have been
firecrackers whatever.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
But there was one guy who had a big boat
who heard it and Oh got a call to say.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Something bad is happening. You have to go over to
that island. He thought it was a prank, but went anyway.
God bless he saved thirty kids because he just went.
He was like, this sounds like nothing, but I will
go anyway. There were kids in the water. He was
throwing out life jackets to kids who he couldn't fit
on the boat.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
They did like four trips he did that.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
He was a local named Marcel Gieffi is how I'm
gonna think it's pronounced. He was a German residence that
was staying at the camping area on the mainland and
he got his boat out there. Then there was another
forty kids were saved by.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Heggy hg. E.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Dollin and Torel Hansen, who was a married couple who
are holidaying nearby. This was this Wikipedia was clearly written
by a foreign person, using words like holidaying.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Dollin was helping from land, so kids were.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Swimming up on the land and she was getting them
to safety while Hanson and another neighbor were making boat
trip rescues. And then there was a man named Casper
Olegg who made three trips to the island in his boat.

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And oh sorry, Casper is the one who thought initially
it was a prank, but one anyway, Altogether, one hundred
and fifty kids swam away from the island and were
pulled out of the fjord by campers on the opposite shore.
So that's an It always makes me feel better when
you hear that, like the other citizens taking action and
helping out. But the thing was this motherfucker, once he

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saw the kids were getting into the water, went down
and just started straight the water dud. So he was
in berserker mode, as they liked to say on last
podcast on the Left. He was in the mode where
he was no one was going to live.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
How did they stop him?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Basically, the cops finally showed up after an hour and
a half.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Why did it take so long because they were at
the other they were at the bombing.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
They were at the other bombing and they didn't get
word and all there. It was a bunch of different stuff,
but yeah, it basically just took them that that was
how far away it was and how long it took.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
They they finally got on, you know, it was a
bunch of cops in like full riot gear and swat
type gear went on and just made an announcement saying
put your gun down. And I think at that point
he he was done, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Because they said he had made a couple of calls too,
So I think it was that kind of thing where
it was like he made his first round and then
it was just like he was coming down off of.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
It and he was ready to to put his message
out too. Probably who was like not, this wasn't just
to kill people. This was like a message.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
It was absolutely a message, and it was this kind
of thing of like, we need to take our country back,
and this is how we're going to do it. We're
going to deliver the message to these politicians and to
these people who are quote unquote allowing things to happen.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So at the end of the.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Day, Brevik had killed sixty eight children out right, sixty
eight children.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
God that's more.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
That was in my high school graduating Class's so sick.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
And then he injured one hundred and ten fifty five
of them seriously. The sixty ninth victim died in the
hospital two days later.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
So he was arrested.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
He was examined by a court appointed forensic psychiatrist and
he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and they concluded that
he was psychotic at the time of the attacks and
criminally insane. But they when it came time to have
him go to court, they did a second psychiatric evaluation

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and found that he was not criminally insane, that he
was fully aware of what he was doing. It was planned,
and it had been planned for years, because not only
did he post that YouTube video the night before, but
he had been for years, had been talking and ranting
about this xenophobic shit of we need to get these
people out. And of course he had a manifesto. So

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they find the manifesto and there are sections that he
ripped off directly from the Unibomber without attributing, and he
just replaced he replaced leftists which was Unibomber, with cultural Marxists.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
He when he got on to when he first started
shooting the kids, he kept yelling, today is the day
you die Marxists.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
So he was accusing everybody of being you know, communists
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
My children, I mean, not that adults are any better,
but it's just.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Like, because that's gonna send like the fastest, worst message.
And it's also it's that's a person who wants to
do evil. This isn't just you know, you send it.
You you park a van that has a bombin it
next to a government building and you're trying that's chaos
and mayhem.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
You're trying to create and.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You're wanting to start away from it. It's not like
your point blank shooting, like but when, But that is like.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
He took it to the next level because he wanted
he's evil and he wanted evil to be done, uh,
which is like what do you who do you think
you are to protect anybody from anything or pretend that's
what your intentions are when what you're doing is killing
children of your own country.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
That's where your argument falls apart. So he also in
this manifesto said he was an admirer of the Tea
Party move been of America. Oh, well there you go,
so you know, just know that know who you're appealing to.
On August twenty fourth, he was found to be saying

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by that panel of judges and sentence to preventative detention,
which is a sentence of twenty one years in prison
that can be repeatedly extended by five years as long
as the person is considered a threat to society.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
That's not long enough. He should have been fucking.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
It's the maximum sentence allowed by Norwegian law and the
only way to get to allow for life imprisonment is
to get the twenty one year sentence and then re
up it every five years, to re examine it every
five years. So it's a version of parole of a
parole board. They just don't do the whole We sentenced
you to two hundred years.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
In prison that we're never going to like how unsatisfying.
There's something about sentencing someone to life in prison or
fucking to the death penalty that's like satisfying in a way,
you know what I mean, right, Not that I believe
in the death penalty or don't, but there's something so
satisfying something about like twenty years to life is like
kind of a bummer as a bummer.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
It's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
But the good thing is that it seems like these
guys do it in almost the opposite way. What they're
saying is you can only sentenced to someone sentence someone
to prison for twenty one years, and then you have
to keep looking at it, so it's not like you
go into prison and rot, because there it's that thing
of worrying about sending someone who shouldn't be there, so

(57:31):
it checks and balance that. Yeah, isn't satisfying in the outright,
But this is a man who will never You kill politicians' children,
You're never getting out of prison.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, although I did.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
There was there was an article about that he their
prisons are so nice they look like college dorm.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Ros Oh my, got it.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I mean, because it's just everything that's just a higher
quality of life here.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They do everything better.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, so yeah, there was some he was petitioning to
get an even nicer room because his really nice room
wasn't nice enough. And this article it's just insanity. When
you read it, you're just like, oh, you don't even
understand how good you have it. And like in American
prisons they have like four people to us sell and
you know, it's it just.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It makes me sick, and it makes me it makes
me not be able to say that I don't support
the death penalty, you know what I mean, Like I don't.
I'm not saying I do, but it makes it harder, Like, Okay,
what about fucking vigilante justice? Can we can we do that?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
But this is in his mind, he was a vigilante's right.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
It just keeps turning back on itself. There's no we.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
The instinct is we feel like we know who's doing
wrong and we want to take that person out, which
is I do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I feel it all the time.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
But there is that thing of like, especially when we're
getting into like paid prisons, when we're getting into pit
like a prison for pay, that whole world is so
ugly and scary because then you have people who are
making money off of people being incarcerated, and that's terrible.
But you know, then we talk about a guy like

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we talk about people like Larry Singleton, we talk about
a guy like if they caught the freeway phantom, then.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I'd go to to the back of my head. Yeah,
I mean you want it to be that simple.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I know that life is complicated.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's difficult to manage.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It's very scary but trying as I think her name
was Pauline who made the poster on the Facebook page.
One of my favorite lines, I'm that awesome fucking poster
that you made was go on a journey with the
fear that that's kind of what we're doing on this podcast,
which made me love her for like even extracting that

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level of meaning.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
That's so philosophical. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
But you and I just think we're just like spouting
shit off. But I mean, I hope that I feel
I'm happier in my life because we're doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, because we're actually talking about stuff that we're afraid of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
And it's important. We're finding out so many people feel
the same way and are feeling like finding their people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yes, that you don't have to just feel like you're
stuck in a victim stance. You can actually like explore
it in a safe way and hopefully be educated.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
And I don't know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
You're not a sick fuck if you're fascinated by this stuff,
because fucking human condition is fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And we care about it because it's stuff that like,
it's women and it's people who don't have a voice,
and it's you know, these untested rape kits where like,
the first thing I think of is if I make
money again, where I actually pay off my debts and
fix my shit, I will donate money to whatever Mariska
Hargatea is doing. Definitely, because that is That means a
lot to me, and we've found a community of people.

(01:00:48):
It means a lot too. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Let's make it. I still stand behind the Facebook group.
We can solve a cold case together.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I mean, that's how Reddit's doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I know. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Wait really quick, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Did you see the thing they posted of those three
women who were in a restaurant I think it was
in Malibu or in Santa Monica, and they saw the
guy putting the stuff in the girl's drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yes, I know one of the girls who's friends with
one of the girls.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yes, amazing. I loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
There were three women in a Santa Monica restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Fig fig. I think it was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, and uh, friends having happy hour, which we love
to do. One of the girls sees from across the
room a guy whose date had gotten up and gone
in the bathroom. He fucking slyly slipped something in her drink.
But the girl at the bar was like, fucking saw
that goes into the bathroom, confronts the girl and it's like,

(01:01:44):
I saw your guy do this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
And then they also tell the manager, I saw the
guy do this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
We needed to do something, and she sits with him
for this whole dinner. They're watching him. She keeps trying
to cheers her to get her to drink, not drinking,
and they keep the managers like, there's nothing I can do.
But then they review the tape and the security camera
they see him do it. They keep telling him that
the register's broken, and they you know, they're trying to

(01:02:09):
get him his check and the fucking Santa Monica Peti
comes in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yep, and they get him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
There's a photo of him now online.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Oh really that is That story is so intense because
that girl was so freaked out because she was like,
he's a friend of he's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
A good friend of mine from like a while, Like
it wasn't a first date.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
No, she'd known him for a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
It's it. And then here's another red flag. The girls
were like, can we give you a ride to your car? Like,
where's your car, and she's like, the cars at his
place because he had me meet him at his house,
so he had been planning, like you know what I mean,
it's like, let's go back to your car, it's at
my house. It's such a predatory thing. And so they
put up a photo of him and they're like, if

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anyone else has a similar story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Come forward. Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That's a night one of those nice stories of the
victim getting They're like, it's yeah, it's not victim blaming.
It's taking everything I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Well, it's protection. It's it's that we can actually help
each other. We should help each other and reach out
to each other and not be like if if those
women were different types of women who either a didn't
pay attention or B were like I don't want to
get involved, then something terrible could have happened. But instead
they were being like kind of nosey nellies and being like, sorry,
I'm gonna say something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah, And I think you and I would,
and hopefully I think got of people listening would be
paying attention to those things and seeing that this guy
is doing this weird fucking thing because and you know,
when we're on our own dates and at a bar,
like noticing we're fucking people's behavior. I think that's the
point for me, is that, like I want to be
aware of every level we can.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Take this this uh anxiety and obsession and actually use
it for good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah, let's use our powers of anxiety for good not evil.
And also let's stay sexy and let's not get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
We love you,