21 - Because 7 8 9

This week the ladies go way off topic before launching into their favorite murders, which focuses on the Cleveland Elementary School shootings (aka "I don't like Mondays") and 1800s nurse/serial killer Jane Toppan. Please remember to stay sexy and don't get murdered!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Let's get settled in. Well, all right, let's get cozy
and comfy, light some candles. H did you start? I
think this is it. I think this is the last episode.
Do I normally talk like that? kN kind of presentation,

(00:30):
like cozy and comfy? Bye, Georgia. Are you seducing me
in your own home? Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hi? This is my favorite murder. Karen is taking a
drink of water. I'm Georgia. I don't know that everyone's
in all Haye, it comes out.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It feels like I have to do it sometimes, like
I don't have a choice. Get it out of your system. Heye,
bye bye. Welcome to episode twenty one of the podcast.
Asked that rocks you to sleep at night and then
shocks you awake at three am with bad feelings, and

(01:09):
yet you still want to be friends with it.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
We've become a we've become we're now asleep helping podcasts
or like the podcast Sleep with Me that I'm obsessed with,
except we'll make you stay awake all night. That's right.
So it's for people who don't want to fall asleep
ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Are you a night show security guard? You might want
to listen to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do you have manic depression and you're just gonna be
up all night anyways, then jump on board.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Do you uh?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Are you have a caligy baby? Are you a murderer?
A serial killer?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Are you burglar? A burglar? Are you a cat burglar?
Let us sneak along the rooftops with you.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
We'd love to. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Good Bye. I've worked today as all most Americans did.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Not me.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wait, but you did do something?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
No? Really, were you in that outfit all day? Not
this one? This is actually cuter than what I was
wearing all day. And this is a fucking house dress.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Georgia has a house dress on that uh looks like
something from Bewitched, but hotter.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's like a key party, like a casual key party outfit.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's like a tomato red with gold brocade, sleeveless mini
house dress.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean, they don't make them like that anymore, Karen,
I'm trying to seduce you, girl. Were correct, girl, it's working.
I don't need a house dress. Yeah, story, Yes, that's
the sad truth. That's all that.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, have you I'm trying to think of, like, have
I've ever been to a party or a situation where
a guy has talked about this topic we love so much,
kind of brought it up themselves, like.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You've bonded it, You've been like I got I had
the best conversation with this guy last night, right like
across the crowded room. Yeah, gosh, girsh I don't think so.
I don't either. What is happening over there? I was
just playing with these There's a kitten in the room.
Everyone should know this.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
George is upping the cat factor by one thousand with
a cat, a kitten named Kevin.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh my god, like and he's being very loud right now.
But he's so cute, he's.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Super He looks Georgia won't admit that she bought a
purebread You cannot.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Adopt, don't shop God damn it. This cat looks so purebread.
Though he's weird, he's a Lynx point Siamese. He's purebread. However,
he was found I don't know. Let's say in a dumpster.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Let's say in a tiny cat sized dumpster.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Tiny has a dumpster. He was bottle fed. He was
bottle fed by a raccoon. He was someone a cat
burglar stole him from a purebread breeding place and is
now adopting them out.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And then a family of frogs that were vests raised.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
It. It's so cute. The mom accepted them as her baby.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yep, and Kevin read on the road on the mom
frog's back until they were like this hurts.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I gotta get rid of this. George's house. Let's drop
them off, dude, And they are, but they their lily
pad right up?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Am I?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
We both pig. Neither of us got high before this.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
This is this is adding to the Dream the Sleep
podcast that's meandering stories, mandering stories.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
We're gonna add We're going to try to add.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Along with all the horrible visuals that we feed straight
straight into your brain, we're also adding some fun toad
in a vest visual.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, some like some like acid visuals, some fucking let's
say you're on peyote. Have you ever done paoti? I
think you? O. God, I've never been offered payote in
my life. I don't. Don't you have to go to
the Andes or something to get that ship sure or
ayahuasca be friends with Duncan Trussel or something.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I am found of them. Oh, I am a fun
name drop. Sorry if you can't handle it, are you
are you yea, what do we got any housekeeping?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah? We got a shitty shooting story? Did you talk
about that? Are we just going to be like every
week we talk about what's in the news.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, seriously, it's it's such a bummer. I mean
that this one too, is like such a huge one
that I don't I didn't process it. When I first
heard it, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mass shooting.
And then as it progresses and I look at social
media and everything.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's so awful.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I feel like it's one of those serious watermark things
where people it's like.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
When are we going to do something? Well, one would hope,
but why wouldn't Sandy hook be that those are like
five year old children that got gunned down. It's so rough.
You know, not that gay people are any but it's
just this just what I wouldn't not have been. Yes,
I got shamed on social media. Why Okay, I don't

(06:07):
want to be like on this topic. Yeah, I want
to be I want to take uh responsibility for my
actions and not say this is stupid and say that
maybe I did something wrong. So I posted something about
like guns don't kill people people with mental illness who
have access to guns. Oh dude, And I got all

(06:28):
these responses that were like, please, don't you need to
not say homophobia is a mental illness. It was all
on the point that I said that guy has a
mental illness, which I think when you've fucking gunned down
one hundred people in a nightclub, you probably have some
sort of mental illness. But they were saying that I
was calling homophobia a mental illness.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right, And so people with things like clinical depression are like,
don't fucking put that guy in my group.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I have clinical depression and he can be in our group. Well,
I mean yeah, but I feel like people these days
they weren't saying that, they were saying that homophobia isn't
a mental illness.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like his eyes were wide open, he knew exactly what
he was doing.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
But I don't think you can kill people without having
some sort of mental illness.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I feel like these days there's certain words you just
can't even say without I mean, you can say I'm
all you want, but just know you're going to get
fifty at replies from people who are either wildly unreasonable
or coming from a direction that they are not taking
into account.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
They want to parse words with you. It's just hard
because I know I wish people those people knew me
and that I am completely I am so not homophobic,
you know. And I was just trying to be supportive
and saying how awful it is that we don't have
any gun control right and just and I'm disgusted by it.

(07:49):
But instead it just seemed like I was like that
I was doing something wrong by saying those things. Felt
really shitty.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean, people love to tell you you're wrong, not
you specifically, but people love to tell each other they're wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mom, Mom.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, but I think that that's some especially in those
times where people, I think when people are in grief
or in panic or in serious fear, they just start
reacting and like and answering and trying to police other
people because they don't have any control over the way
the world works. And it just turns into like, real,
every nobody's saying the right thing and you can't say that,
and this is how you grieve and this is how

(08:25):
you express yourself, and these are the rules and the
rules and the rules and the rules, and it's like
that's fine.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Except for you're going after the wrong people. Well exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, also just like you said, they don't know you,
so they're assuming. I've done that a bunch of times
where I've tweeted something that then I'm like, oh, this
might be a buzzword or this might be sensitive, And
no matter what people write back to me, I am
the first thing I assume is that they're against me too,
and so then I have to read it twice to
be like, oh, no, they're making a joke along with me.

(08:56):
I mean, I don't know. It's not the best place
social media, isn't. We all pretend like it's a resort
and it's actually it's kind of like, uh, you know,
it's like a weird hobo camp. Am I allowed to
say hobo? It's like a crazy hobo camp where everyone's
drinking moonshine, And so there's a lot of big reactions

(09:17):
and there's a lot of uh, I just don't want
Dato's in.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I didn't say the wrong thing, you misconstrued not you know,
cause I don't mind. That's like such a shitty thing
to do.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I just let him have it, like there's you
just let them have it.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I deleted it. I deleted what I said. Oh
you did? Yeah, I mean whatever, it's not I don't know,
it's not shit. There's no there's no way to do
it right.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And especially when people are like when people are up
in arms, it starts to feel good to be up
in arms. Not not in this case specifically, but I
feel like, you know, public shaming and this the shaming thing,
it starts to feel like, no, you need to hear
something about how this really is. It's because people are scared,
and that's like it's such a terrible threat, like a

(10:01):
guy murdered people because he saw to you guys kissing.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It's almost too I see it in a way where
it's like people who are really into these these like
let's say you're in an indie band and you love
them and then they get big and you're like you didn't.
You don't get a claim them. It's like almost like
you don't get to say that this person is insane
because they're homophobic. That's my thing, and how dare you

(10:23):
try just empathize? Right?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, you're empathizing wrong is what you're being told. Right,
But that's also you have to remember that there's people
that don't that are not on Twitter because they appreciate
a turn of phrase or a. You were basically doing
a satire of that old saying and you.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Just shouldn't have it's corny anyways. No, no, no, I
was being emotional.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Let's in the middle of this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'm like, that was hacky Georgia, because I don't think.
I don't agree you were piss at you. It was
because you were being a fucking hack No.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I just think, yeah, I think people love to be
able to be like other other other in that in
those situations.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I doesn't mean to offend anyone, and I am completely
supportive of mostly everyone.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Also, if you're on Twitter and you find yourself at
replying and correcting people's grammar, wording, or behavior, you might
want to just go take just have a nice tall
glass of water and just stand in the kitchen for
twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I just took a sip of water. Was that directed
at me?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know what? I use everything around me like a
great improvise?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Was amazing. The only correction of grammar that I've ever
appreciated was some woman. Some woman wrote to the National
Spelling Bee tweeted at them and said like something about
like they have this like this couch that when you lose,
you can go talk to a therapist on the National
Spelling Bee hmm. And this woman was like, can we

(11:48):
stop coddling the kids and when they lose, just like
let them fucking lose and like learn a lesson. But
she get written written loose and so the National Spelling
You just wrote at reply and wrote lose spelled it correctly,
which was god bless amazing.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
My favorite thing like that that happened recently is they
were talking about somebody wrote an article on think it
was on Huffington Post about how inappropriate it was for
the Jimmy Kimmel Show to ask Megan Fox something about
her pregnancy, and Jimmy Kimmel it was his Twitter account
wrote back, Megan actually approved all of the questions that

(12:33):
we asked her before the show, so go fuck yourself,
and I retweeted it a ton of people I know
where it's like, yeah, actually, in television, all of those
things are pre agreed. There is no one that blindsides
people on shows like.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's why it's not how they were those shows is
because I am so every was that right that you
went scheme recently?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I did you know it's funny that you mentioned that
is so we were up in Whistler. I mean it's
it's it can be.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I like, I make me so uncomfortable. It was my life.
Oh you did that all.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
My sister says you're the worst person to watch to
me that I'm the worst person to watch TV with
because it's been ruined for me so bad that I
love ruining TV for my sister.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm always like, that was all fake. Do you see
that right there?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's an edit that must be from something else because
that the lighting change or whatever where She's like, why
would you? I'm sorry it was ruined for you. Why
do you ruin it for me because it was like
fun because it was ruined for me because I can
barely enjoy anything.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Oh my god, me neither. Yes, award shows too. I
can't deal with speeches then, like people like presenters and
like them saying we're wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
And unable to read off a teleprompter when it's like, this.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is your job, and like clearly they hate the person
they're presenting with, and then the person who wins is
like such a fucking narcissist.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, well, I think that's what's happening in the whole room.
Almost every time. Here's the thing it all makes me
to my stomach. It all is like if you say
you were an accountant all day you were just like
adding figures, add and figures. That'd be like if you
then came home and you were like, do you want
to watch the Ad and Figures Awards? No, I fucking
don't want to watch that, because this is all fucking

(14:15):
well smoke and mirrors, dog and Pony.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I want to watch the Figures Awards because that sounds fun.
I bet those guys are hot. I bet you could
make some mad like snack puns on for Ad and Figures,
you know, like you could do the You could absolutely
do that old joke of oh I was six, I
third of seven seven eight nine.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
It is the best joke ever written because seven eight nine,
ladies and gentlemen, your next, this next presenter I was doing.
I was being the host.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
That was just like Joe parties for award shows, and
they like have snacks with the snacks to be called
like whatever, like the pun on the movie Oh yes, yeah,
so like some kind of math math the numbers version
of yes.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
For food, like it's I would if it was my house,
I would put out a bowl of like salted peanuts,
and I'd be like one, tho, two and forty peanuts.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
That's all I can think. That's why you're the fucking writer.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I was trying to think of the snacks that you
put out for our legendary Academy Awards party that we
had some me and you and Lizzie.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
What would double Deggs be called?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Wait for the Accounting Awards? Yeah, devil dates.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I can do like square all my jokes. They were
square double Deggs squared.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
If the eggs themselves were squared? Are we going to
have this party eight nines? I would have.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I would watch these things with you and Lizzie Cooperman,
our friend Heyl. Yeah. People who have who hate everything
right want life to fuck off.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It has to be with people that are like minded,
because I've been at one where I want to make
jokes and then people.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like I'm keeping score. Excuse me keeping score? Ecstasy? No,
fuck you? I I was. I was a wedding over
the weekend and then like a couple of us went
back to this Airbnb and we're drinking and stuff, and
I was screaming at a show. I was yelling at
there was a documentary about like some gay actor in

(16:25):
the fifties named Tad something tab hunter. Yeah, and I
was yelling about how it was all fake and all
made up and they were using modern day clips and
making them look old because I got real mad.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I don't know, because it looked fake some fucking psychoa
were people like, can I just watch this document Wait?
If you were at a party, why were you watching.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
A doctor a party anymore? It was just me and
like three of my closest friends got it, so it
was like they know they've seen me at my worst.
If you can't appreciate me at my worst, you can't
appreciate me at my at my worst worst.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
If you can't appreciate me at my worst, then you
can't come to the accounting awards with right because seventy
there's a.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Red carpet there, there's a step and repeat and repeat
and repeat and repeat. That was funny.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think, I'm there must be a residual high there
simply must be.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
So you're just out, had been so hard? Oh sorry,
someone got high in this house. And it wasn't us.
It wasn't us, literally wasn't us. But we sure are
enjoying the.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Worst jokes of all time right now?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah? Is there an awards ceremony coming up that we
can enjoy together. We missed the Tony's yesterday. I can't
watch those. Why wouldn't do you? Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Honestly, when I watch people singing at that caliber, and
I'm not being sarcastic, it makes me immediately start crying immediately,
and then I can't like wipe. It's just a weird
reaction where I like kind of.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Wish that was beauty of it.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's an amazing ability that very, very, very few people
can do. And it's not people think it's like, oh
America and I.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
You what do you sing? No?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, no no, But that's like that kind of singing and
the way those people like, the level of performance that
those people are able to give, that's like borderline opera singing.
Like did you see Jennifer Hudson singing Purple Rain with
the cast of the color Purple One Prince Died?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
No watch the video.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's somebody took it like from the back of the room.
It's that kind of thing where you're like, this is
this is.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I feel that way when I see you sing stop
it because I can't. You just don't even want to
know what my voice sounds. It's like sound It's like
a cat screaming and vocal fry at the same time.
It's so bad. And you have this like cute riot
girl voice, And I'm like, why can't? Why did I

(18:53):
do meth instead? I've learned to sing when I was thirteen.
That's my opera.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
That couldn't There couldn't be a bigger compliment.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I mean, murder podcast is this is off topic? Is it?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
But also you know what this happened to me? The
other day at work, someone goes, oh my god, you
have to see this. Did you see Jenna de Juan
Tatum on the Lip Sync Show? She did Channing Tatum's
routine from Magic Mike as her lip sync. I hear,
it's amazing. I watched two things and I was like, oh,

(19:34):
I get why this is a hit.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Did you see what's his cute name doing Channa Jackson's
Rhythm Nation. No, this is adorable name. Do you think
something something?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Jorce and Gordon McCarthy, Yes, it is, yes, I guess right. Yes.
Maw McCarthy has a joke of it's him doing Rhythm Nation.
As Jana Jackson. Oh my god, I have to watch.
It's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Jenna do Wan Tatum did her husband's routine from Magic Mic.
We are standing in the writer's room. I'm standing behind,
you know, like it's not like anyone's facing me, squirrel
facing the screen. And I started crying because it was
such awesome dancing.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh, dancing is the best. It's so amazing.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And she did and also they kept cutting to Channing Tatum,
who didn't know that's what she was going to do,
and he was freaking out. He was like dying, and
then she pulled him into the routine. But like the
acrobatics and the accuracy, and she is such a good dancer,
and she has like an eight pack, like her stomach
is not so it was just it was like so superior.

(20:38):
And I just literally was just kept wiping and thank
god no one noticed, but I was fully crying.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Your body could do those things. I still think mine can.
I think I can't barely like touch the floor when
I bend it.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I make the loudest groaning sound when I get off
the couch every time.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
But I watch that and go, I could just kid,
we could do that.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
We should do a dance routine at the La Podfast.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
What if we did Michael Jackson's thriller. Oh my gosh,
that's about Dana Na. You're watching me right now. We
could totally.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Guys, you have to be there September. Do you know
what date is?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Eleventh? No? I don't know eleventh.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I hope you guys don't forget.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Oh, we'll be there. I want to do a show. Actually,
Matt McCarthy's wife, Glennis McCarthy, has this amazing show that
where you do this like it's called dream Role, and
you do this, you get to perform whatever role you've
always wanted to perform. And so I wanted to do
dirty dancing Jennifer to Jennifer Gray the last dance. Taught
it to myself and did it alone on the stage.

(21:41):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Did people go bat shit banana?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
They laughed at me. It was fun. Well, I mean,
but that's part of it, right, yeah, but I really
put my all into it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
So wait, were but you were Jennifer Gray, but by yourself?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Ye? Dancing with Patrick'spoysey. It wasn't there. That's awesome. So
my instagram somewhere.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Uh La Podfast is September twenty third, twenty fourth, twenty fifth.
We have had people ask us what day, Yeah, but
we haven't been told.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
What day we should do every day. Probably, yeah, I
don't know how it actually works.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, I don't either, But I think if you go
on to the website, which is La Podfest, they're on event,
but like the tickets are on event, right, But if
you put in La Podfast twenty sixteen, you can get
all the information and hopefully the schedule is up or
will be up soon.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Come watch our choreographed dance. Come watch.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I will be dressed like a werewolf, and Georgia will
be dressed like that girl that he goes to the
movies with.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Scare the whole time. I'm just running away from you
the whole day. We should both wear the yellow eyes. Yeah,
we should both be Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Probably let's do double Michael Jackson, because that's probably what
he wanted.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I'm sure that's what he wanted.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, we could also do the Way You Make
Me Feel, which is where he just follows that girl
down the alley.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Oh yeh, sings at her. She's like, I don't even
care that you're about to rte me and just like
she should be pepper spraying him and.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
There's like a car on fire. I couldn't be more dangerous.
And then he's like, I'm I think you're great. I'm
gonna sing in your ear down this out.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, I'm great. Leave me alone. You're gonna have to
come to the LA podcast to see what dance we do.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, we'll reveal it at the podcast only ticket holders.
Oh my god, h.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
What other housekeeping? Any housekeeping?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
But my favor this is my favorite murder. Oh, that's it.
I think you're first this week.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I am first, skippers. It's time to cut back. He
ready and stop skipping now now all right? So two
things made me want to do this murder my favorite
murder this week. One of which was I finished an
audiobook called Uh, we need to Talk about Kevin Oh,

(23:51):
which was a book about It was a book written,
fictional book written by the mother of a kid who
had died a school shooting. And it was the letter
to It was the whole all the letters were to
the father and it was like how they raised his
kid and what happened and why he became who he became.

(24:13):
And it was a really good book and I just
finished that, and then on Sunday morning, the fucking Orlando
shootings happened yet and it was It's horrific and awful
and disgusting. And so I kind of was looking at
the Facebook page and found this information that I had
never known about before that I wanted to talk about

(24:35):
the Cleveland Elementary school shooting. Uh oh, do you know
this one? No? Okay? It took place on January twenty ninth,
nineteen seventy nine, in San Diego, California. Shots were fired
at a public elementary school and the person who was
doing the shooting lived in a house across the street

(24:56):
from the school, and her name was Brenda Spencer. She
was sixteen years old. Holy shit, Brenda, there is the
fucking wait.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Can I ask a question? Is this I don't like Monday?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't like I'm sorry fromtown rats? Yes? Is that sorry?
It's okay. I was just so proud. It's my favorite.
It's okay. So I but I don't know the story.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I only know that a girl did it and the
girl said it okay.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So Brenda Spencer she lived in a house across the
street from the school, and she would become known as
the mother of Schoolyard Massacres, which is Columbine, and she
was like the first school shooter. So on the morning
of January ninth, nineteen seventy nine, she began shooting from
her home at children who were waiting outside Cleveland Elementary School,
which was across the roomorhouse. The first person that she

(25:45):
killed was the principal, Burton rag and he was opening
the gates to the school fifty three years old. Ran
outside to help the victims and help get rid of
the children and move them inside, and he got uh oh,
he got shot in the chest. And then Michael Shoe,
I want to say, shoot shoot your s u c

(26:05):
h R. Shoot shar shooter, shooter. Sure it was fifty six.
He was a school custodian, rushed out to help the
dying principal and he was shot. So those were the
two fatalities, but eight children were injured. So then the
San Diego police officer Robert Robb was the first rive

(26:25):
at the scene and he got a bullet in his neck.
And I've heard conflicting I read conflicting stories that he
someone moved a commandeer to a garbage truck and drove
it in front of the school because they could tell
where the sniper was. And I heard it was this
officer who got shot in the neck, but others are
saying he just arrived and got shot in the neck.
So I'm not sure, but I don't want to not

(26:46):
give him credit if that's the case.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So it's so smart, yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Like what a quick action to take that you just
block the shooter. Yeah, I would have never thought of that.
And putting yourself in harm's way like that.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, that's it's amazing. Whoever thought of it?

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, it's high five. How pissed off was she when
that happens? Yeah, it's like the bus move. Yeah. So
after firing thirty rounds of ammunition, she Spencer barricaded herself
inside her home for like it was like six hours.
So then, on a hunch, a reporter from the local
paper called the phone number that was associated with the address,

(27:26):
and a young girl answered it was Barbara. The reporter
asked if she knew where the shots were coming from,
and she said her address, and the reporter pointed that out.
She said, yeah, who do you think is doing the shooting?
And the next question was why, and she said, I
don't like mondays, this livens up the day.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh, I weirdly have chills, right, mitchills because also sorry,
but it's sixteen is it's such a rough age anyway,
And that.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Answer is so sad.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's someone that gave up.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Like someone that yeah, doesn't understand this. The levity of
what they're doing. Is that the right word.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
It's the opposite, But I understand gravity of what your.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Gravity of what they're doing. That would have sounded so
much better if I had gotten.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
That this is what we're about.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Not sounding good, my favorite murderer. She spoke with police
negotiators who were telling that telling them that she had
shot the telling those she had they had made easy
targets and that's why she shot them, which is so
fucking creepy. And she was going to come out shooting,
but ultimately she surrendered and the police found beer and

(28:42):
whiskey bottles around the house, but she didn't appear to
be intoxicated.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh so this is probably not the greatest home life,
right perhaps right?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well? Fourteen years into her sentence, she gave his TV
interview which she said that she was high on whiskey,
angel dust and pot.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
What hold on? That's not that combination is insane.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
But here's the thing is that at the time of
her arrest, her toxicology reports came back clean. So is
she lying. Either she's lying or the toxicology reports were incorrect.
I keep in mind this, she's saying these things at
a parole hearing.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So wouldn't get her anything to lie?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
No way do we get her out. I mean you
would think that if she was.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Oh that's her excuse, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
But however, there but there were those bottles around the
house because her dad was like a fucking alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
But sorry, it's just so crazy to I just think, Sure,
you drink whiskey and then you smoke pot.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Angel dust is like what insane bikers? San Diego. That's
that was like a suburb back.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Then, right, Yeah, I mean it's like a chill beach town.
And it's like.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Us talking about like, has anyone ever offered you peyote? No?
And they have ever for you angel dust?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
No, Like you could barely get pot. When I was
growing up, that was like you were so excited when
someone's cousin came back from Hawaii or whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
And it was almost like there was this Remember Dare
was that yeah, did you have that then? So DARE was, uh,
what was it, Jared?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
To keep your kids off drugs? Drug addicts really engaged,
I know, there's against our driving.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Basically in the eighties and early nineties there was this
like program to keep kids off drugs called DARE that
on Drugs on Drugs, and I was in that. I
was like in the perfect you know, in the epicenter
of that thanks Nancy Rayan, and where you had to
pledge right, yeah, you wouldn't do drugs. Yeah. And at
the time I was like when I was like in

(30:48):
sixth grade, I was like, well, I'm never going to
do angel dust, but I kind of want to try pot,
you know, but like I thought that would lead to
angel dust. And when I found out like that my
parents smoked pot and that like people I smoke pot,
was like, oh, everything was a lie. So I'm just
gonna do everything, you know, wow, just say something. Yeah, Like,
no one gets handled dust is my point exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's a crazy unless her father was some kind of
like sure dealer or a biker or like somebody that
kind of lived in that fringe life. But when you
do angel dust, you go insane and you have superhuman strength,
and it sounds.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Like something she would have made up because she didn't know. Yes,
you know what I mean. It sounds like it sounds
like a very faky, dumb company. Yeah. Yeah, like saying
cocaine would have made more sense, but she probably didn't
even like know to say that.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Although if we refer back to the classic film Friday,
there is that part where Chris Tucker's pot is laced
with angel dust and he ends up in the pigeon coop. Remember,
He's like freaking out. I mean, it happens like but
but I also don't think you'd be able to shoot
a gun very accurately if you were on angel dust.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So why would someone put angel dust in pot? You're
just spending more money.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Because they're trying to ruin your Rolling Stones concert.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Oh sure, I don't know. Kitten is going crazy? Okay,
blah blah blah okay. So, so her parents had separated
before this happened, and she lived with her father, Wallace Spencer,
in virtual poverty, and they slept on a single mattress
in the living room floor together. Acquaintances later said that

(32:27):
Spencer that she expressed negative attitudes towards police and I
talked about shooting one. Teachers described her as introverted, and
she started hanging out with other troubled youth and became
obsessed with Alice Cooper, which like, yeah, which actually he's
like a crazy intellectual. It's like so hard to think
about people like using him as an excuse and he's

(32:47):
like an incredible intellectual.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And also isn't he super into gulf like that when
he doesn't have makeup on? Yeah, he's just like kind
of an old dude with too long hair.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And that was like performance art too, Like he wasn't
even serious about it it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, but I don't when people try to say that
it's like too bad. You're making the money off of
people taking it seriously, so you have to take it
seriously because it's I've seen Alice Cooper, Like I grew
up with Alice Cooper being on TV with blood in
the corner of his mouth. Everyone took it seriously. There's
nothing performance art about it. It's like you're in a
black box theater.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, you can't be like just kidding afterwards. Yeah, Okay,
I'm really mad at Elice Cauzer in town. It's not
your father. I hate your Dad, I hate you. You
will go to the dance, all right. So in December,
which is the month before this whole the shooting happened
at a psychiatric evaluation was recommended for her, and they

(33:43):
said that she should go to a mental hospital due
to her depressed state, but her father refused to give permission.
I wanted to go to rehab. I said no, No,
Dad says it's fine. Yeah, everything's fine. Any stream months.
I'm dead, so is everybody else. I love that song,
but so yeah, I do too. For Christmas, so he

(34:06):
said no, he wouldn't let her go to rehab, and
then for Christmas, he gave her a Ruger now ten
two semi automatic twenty two caliber rifle. Sorry for everyone
who fucking knows about guns that I just butchered that
telescope site and five hundred rounds of ammunition. She had

(34:26):
asked for a radio. Her father gave her that gun.
She asked for a radio for her birthday, and her dad,
who had just been told that she should go to
psychomental hospital because she was depressed, gave her a gun.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well he's a real piece of work.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I mean, some people shouldn't have children. In turns out that.
She said later that I felt like he wanted me
to kill myself. She said, also five hundred rounds. Yeah,
that's why I agree. Yeah. In two thousand and one,
later she accused her f of having drunkenly subjected her
to beatings and sexual abuse, but he said the allegations

(35:05):
were not true.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I don't feel good about a single mattress on the
floor in the living room.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's a fucking daily not. She was tried and as
adult she finally came out with put her gun down.
Came out. She was tried as an adult, pled guilty
to two counts of murder and assault the deadly weapon,
sentenced to prison for twenty five years to life. And
then in prison, she was diagnosed as an epileptic. Oh,
I have that, I know. Uh oh wait, and then

(35:35):
and then and she received medication while at California Institute
for Women in Chino, California. It's her neighborhood, right, No, great,
But then later here's the fucking kicker. During tests while
she was in custody, has discovered that she had an
injury to the temporal lobe of her brain, attributed to

(35:55):
her accident on her bicycle. A fucking childhood head injury.
Send them back, like we said, send them all back
if your kid hits his head.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh you know what, I just had a realization that
all of the helmet bullshit that for years. I'm like,
this is dumb, and these helicopter parents are crazy. What
if they've just wiped out an entire generation of serial
killers by making sure children have helmets on all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Definitely, dude, I thought, you're right, that's heavy.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
I mean, some will slip through just because it was
meant to be.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
We don't even need a injury. They're like shit to
begin with, their hell bends. Their parents make it sure
that they're fucking just terrible. That is a crazy, fucking
so that injury, just like so many serial killers out there. Yeah,
fuck yeah, all right. At a hearing in two thousand
and one, she said that her father beat and sexually

(36:50):
abused her, and she submitted a written statement in which
she said that her father had begun fondeling her when
she was nine and sexually assaulted her virtually every night. Oh,
which is like, why, you know, why didn't you come
out with that earlier. I don't want to doubt her,
but it's like, that's a hard thing to talk about
when you really did these horrible things.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Also, she could have just maybe dissociated so that it
was this she's in this world now where she's killing people.
It's like every music cry for help. And maybe she
was on Angel Dusk and maybe she.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Didn't understand the connection between her father sexually abusing her
and her wanting to die and so and kill other
Peo people. The rage that she felt. I didn't mean
to victim blame and I totally no, no, no, no, we're
just we're just talking about theories and here's how you
here's so. The father never admitted to any of this,

(37:40):
but he was visiting her in a juvenile detention facility
after her arrest, and he met a girl who resembled
Brenda but was younger. They went on to have a
sexual relationship and he married her too. So clearly he
has ash for fucking underage. He does not like it

(38:03):
like his daughter. Yeah, he's not against it. No, that's
like enough proof. I feel like, hell, yeah that it's true.
Oh that's yeah, insanely dark. In two thousand and nine,
the parole board ruled that she would be denied parole
and wouldn't be considered for ten years, so she'll be
eligible again in twenty nineteen. Okay, But in a two

(38:26):
thousand and one statement, she acknowledged her possible role as
the inspiration for later generations of angry kids, saying, she said,
quote with every school shooting, I feel I'm partially responsible.
What if they got the idea from what I did?
Oh and of course finally, the song I Don't Like Mondays,

(38:49):
written by Bob Geldoff for his band boomtown Rats, was
released later that year based on that song, and I
just want to go ahead and say that this is
everyone listening, this is our new karaoke song, I Don't
like Mondays.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, that song. I remember in high school finding out
that that was about a school a girl that did
a school shooting, and it was just like the most
fascinating thing.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It changes that song completely.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I just assumed it was British though, since boomtown Rats
and that guy or he's Irish, He's I think he's Irish.
See he is not from here. But yeah, I just
assumed it all happened in the UK. I'll safely say that, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Know, but they were they were playing at the time
in San Diego. I think when her trial was going on,
they were playing in San Diego. Oh wow, they kept
seeing headlines of her being the I don't like Monday's girl.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
See that super bums me out because uh, and maybe
this is just a bias because it's a female shooter.
It's like like a sixteen year old girl where I
just I so understand the mindset no matter what. But
then fact after fact on top of that is like
that girl did not have a chance. No, she didn't
have a chance.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Now she was going. I mean it's and again one
of those things of like don't kill people, just kill yourself.
That's what we hope for. But she I wish she
had had. You know, clearly some people cared about her.
That they took her to a psychiatrist, and that they
they put her in like a school for or they
put her in with counselors who who were there for

(40:22):
troubled use. They tried. Yeah, and her fucking shitty parents.
You just wouldn't let her have that. Like what if
he had said okay and she had gone to this
mental institution, I know she would been fine.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Also, It's so I just would like to remind us
all of the garbage truck part, because I really like
that part.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
What about it? Like, hell yeah, they probably saved so
many lives that day.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Seriously, and just kind of like blocking off the whole
thing of like no, you're.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Not doing it anymore, Like that's so bad ass, it's
brave and fucking it's just.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Quick thinking and like sharp problem solving totally.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I like it. Wow, that's heavy. Yeah, that's fucked up right.
So that's the uh Cleveland Elementary School shooting. What's her
name again, Brenda Spencer, Brenda Spencer, honey, honey. And if
you look at photos of her, she's like this cut
kind of like cute, little squirrellly nerd. Oh, she's like
a nerdy nerd. A Well, I.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Took it back because of I kind of wanted to
do this anyway, because when we talk about.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Things, it's so funny that we fully do this podcast,
love it, enjoy it, and yet bum ourselves out every
week after we talk about our topics. So I was like,
how about a little distance when we go back in
history a little bit and we don't have to be
so present day and so I have to feel it
so much. So I went all the way back to
eighteen eighty five, So I have no feelings about that.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
It gets a fun.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh, I got shit.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Weird outfits, some like high neck dresses and shit racism,
all kinds of isms. The nurse, the deadly nurse, Jane
Toppen is my person. You may have heard of her.
She she it's okay.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
To laugh at this because it's from the eighteenth fifties,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Anything before nineteen hundred you can laugh and laugh. She
was an Irish immigrant whose mother died of tuberculosis when
she was very young, and whose father, A Taylor, was
a well known alcoholic and eccentric who some say, after
her mother's death tried to sow his eyelids shut because

(42:39):
he was so insane with grief and alcoholism.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
What does that have to do with anything?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I mean, it's just like this is this, it's just
painting the picture of where we're even starting with this
girl who is a child.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
When this happens, that is.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
It's some Some articles say it happened, some say it
was a rumor, and it was just basically everyone knew
this dad was a nut.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That's fucking crazy everything. He was super crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yet it speaks more just to him and his reputation
the crazy tailor up the street. So a few years
later that dad drops off. Her name at the time
was Honor Kelly, and she's six years old and her
sister is eight, and the dad drops them off at

(43:28):
the Boston Female Asylum, which is a girl's orphanage. Documents
from the asylum note that the two girls were quote
rescued from a very miserable home. Oh no, so yeah.
So even if he wasn't crazy enough to do something
as totally saw the Saw movie series as so is
on eyelids together, it was bad news. So after two

(43:51):
years at that orphanage, Honora Kelly, if I'm saying her
name right, was placed as an indentured servant in the
home of missus Anne C. Toppin of Lowell, Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
So she was like eight of eighteen years old, eight
years old, and shit, can you I met a little servant,
an eight year old indentured service maybe like can you
go get me my fucking run my bath eight year old.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Or like probably scrub the dishes and like lift shit.
I mean like they didn't care. This was eighteen eighty five.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh that's so sick. They didn't give a fuck yeah, kids,
kids were just like little hummons.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, this is when they were like get them in
the factory because their little arms can go into the machine.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
It was dark too. This is also why I love
Charles Dickens because all of his stories include all that
like child labor shit roughly around this time. Yeah, where
it was like we wouldn't know if it weren't for
like those stories, or would be like the last thing
that would ever happen to it most children these days,
at least in America, right, yeah, kind of anyway. Uh So,

(44:56):
Anora was never officially adopted by the top In, but
she took their surname and eventually became known as Jane Toppin.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Which is so rare that you're like, I'm not part
of the family. I'm just your fucking servant. So I'm
taking your last name.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, I'm your lifelong child servant, Jesus living in your house.
So in eighteen eighty five, she began training to be
a nurse at Cambridge Hospital. So during her residency, she
used her patients as guinea pigs in experiments with morphine

(45:34):
and atrophine, so she would basically go into patients who
are like on a morphine drip and she would give
them atrophine, which I'm pretty sure is like an upper Oh.
So she would play back and forth with sending them
out and bringing them back.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Over and over, just let them go to sleep. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
No, she because she basically got sexual. She got aroused
sexually from seeing people be brought to the brink of
death and then come back and then go back.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
The fuck does that have to do with sex?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Well, so I think this might be shedding a light
on some fucked up shit that happened to her beforehand,
somewhere in the past. I if there's a book about her,
I will read it, because she some shit happened. So
she would do that to these patients and then get

(46:31):
she because she kind of you know, like wanted to
see like how it affected them, but also would get
into bed with them and hold them as it was happening.
She told police after her arrest that she got a
sexual thrill from being near patients. Uh, when they were
being next to patients when they were near death, coming

(46:52):
back to life in the dying. And so she this
is by her own admission, that this got her off,
which is you know, everybody's.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Into something aren't they though. Uh So she.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Would get she would administer the drug and then she'd
get into bed with them and hold them close to
her as they died. What huh uh? And then this
article says that this is rare for female serial killers.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
They usually kill for material reasons, sexist bullshit, or that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
The on average, it's not sexual satisfaction. That's that's man's domain,
which you know. And so in a way, I'm proud
of Jane because she broke that glass ceiling and did
and she got hers.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Sorry that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Uh So she didn't get caught, I guess because she
was recommended for Massachusetts General Hospital in eighteen eighty nine,
which this article says is prestigious, and there she killed
a couple more people.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
And then she was actually killing people, like because it
sounds like she was bringing them back, but certain people
she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
She did, she would bring them back a couple of times,
but ultimately let them die.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
And that's when that's what got her off.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Oh okay, So it was like she would play with
it and that would be like, you know, crazy, but
I guess didn't get caught and kind of was able
to cover it up. I read a thing about how
she kind of messed with the charts. So everything was
you know, it was back then, it was just like, yeah,
people die whatever, and I think no one would. No
one would suspect a woman. No one would suspect a nurse,

(48:32):
you know. So she goes to mass General and then
kills more people and then gets fired, so probably like
someone was sharp and on it and a little bit like, eh,
too many people have died under your watch. So then
she went back to Cambridge, but she got dismissed for
prescribing opiates recklessly, which is like, how was a nurse

(48:55):
prescribing anything? But I guess that's how they did it
back then. She sounds like parties and she forces other.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
People to party to their death death.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Uh, just like a fraternity. So then she, of course,
what's her natural next step if she gets fired as
a nurse at a hospital, private nurse.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Private nursing is exactly right, Georgia, that's right, killer right here,
that's right. Uh. So she flourished as a private nurse
despite complaints of petty thefts. So so Jane couldn't handle
her shit.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
She had her hands everywhere.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
But she's a good nurse. But you know what, she
gives me a bath real good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
So then as a private nurse, that's when she really
starts her poisonings free. In eighteen ninety five, she killed
her landlords, which is a great, I mean fair solution.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
We've all been there.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
In eighteen ninety nine, she killed her foster sister Elizabeth
with strychnine, which is I think of very painful way
to go. It's no morphine atrophine ride.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
It's no ninety night.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
It's it's no ninety night, good morning, because we like that.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
In nineteen oh one, she moved in with a fam
of the Davis family because the elderly patriarch was Alden Davis,
and his wife had died and so she was there
to take care of him in his old age. Well
it turns out she killed his wife.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
That's why she got the job. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
So within weeks she had killed the patriarch of the family,
Alden Davis, and two of his daughters within weeks. Honey,
you're being so obvious, Honey, pace yourself. This is this
is a marathon, not a spread.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Like one per family, is what you got.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I mean, you do know people catch on Right's like
murdering and entire family. Yeah. So after that happened, she
moved back to her hometown and began courting her late
foster sister, Elizabeth's husband.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
So she's like I thought you said, hoarding. She was
hoarding it for herself all over the house. So that's shitty.
She then kills his sister.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
And then poisons him so she could earn his love
by nursing him back to help.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
For fuck's sake.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
And uh, then she when that didn't work, she poisoned
herself out of to try to garner his sympathy.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Actually that's kind of smart, but it didn't work, okay.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Uh, And so he cast her out of the house,
which is something people did in the late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
She was cast out even though she was sick.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
We else she got over it, yeah, because she probably
gave herself the tiniest little nine or.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Nicky snack of strict nine.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Just put a little bit on top of her biscuit.
So the rest of the Davis's who hadn't been terribly
murdered in that house, ordered a toxicology exam on the
youngest daughter that she that had died, and they found
that she had been poisoned, and so they put a
police detail on good old Jane Toppin and on October

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twenty sixth, nineteen oh one, she was arrested for murder
and by nineteen oh two she confessed to thirty one murder.
Holy yeah girl, And she's quoted. This is one of
the reasons that I picked this story, and it just
it made me laugh. It kind of makes me like her.

(52:46):
There's something about this that I'm that I'm being a
little ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Because this victim's family it's like three generations later, so
it's like, right, there's no guilt now, angry letter from
a Davis. Yeah, how dare you?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So she was quoted she told the cops that her
ambition was to quote, to have killed more people helpless
people than any other man or woman who ever lived. Wow,
it's what she wanted and she tried her best.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Did she not like, did she have a reason? Why?
Like was she? Did she think she was helping hopeless people?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think there's some angel of death nurse types that
do think they're helping it, or like the doctor that
I did, Peter.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Robert Pinker didn't think her pink Wood word Richard word
Richard word. Yeah, pink Richard word. That guy I think
was trying to convince himself. It was like, if they're
a little bit older, take him out before they suffer. Yeah,
but he was getting like early seventy year olds.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yeah, no he I mean, I guess I was saying
he was probably rationalizing it to himself a little bit,
but that couldn't have been the real reason. But this one, no,
she I think she just got literally got off on
helpless people and killing people and taking advantage of helpless people,
which is the creepiest.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Damn dude, I bet HERK. There's got to be something
like by the time you're six and you've lived in
this fucking depraved, fucked up household world and then you
moved to a fucking school for girls in Boston, so
it's you know, probably real fucked up. Yeah, you just
don't have any empathy anymore. I mean, you hit yourself
in the head of the swing at that point.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Because you're dundee.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yep. Her sister, her older sister.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Stayed in the in that orphanage like a couple of
years longer than her, and then basically eventually became a
prostitute and died of alcoholism in the gutter.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
So she got the better of the two lives.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
She really, she went out and she made a life
for herself. But I feel like, yeah, those those the
Kelly family, of the of the Taylor, the famous crazy
Taylor Kelly, they didn't have much of a chance. There
was dark Angel's ashes style, darkness.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Don't date anyone ever, like that's don't invite anyone into
your home.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Easy for you to say you're married.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
He could be a fucking Sariah killer growing out. What
if he was. He's not. He's totally not. He's not.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
And if he is, what a great episode.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
That had a great run. You've had a great life.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
He gave her some great nightgowns up until the point
that he murdered you. He has been so good to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
If he murders me without me knowing that it's him
that murdered me, then I'm i die happy.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Oh my god, I'll just go out in your sleep. Yeah,
like an axe in the backyar head.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
On June twenty third, nineteen oh two, No, no, no,
this is the end of it. She was found not
guilty by reason of insanity. Whoa at the Barnstable County Courthouse.
But she was committed for life in Taunton Insane Hospital
and then she died August seventeenth, nineteen thirty eight. WHOA,

(56:03):
so she lived in the mental hospital for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
What would you give to go fucking have a chit
chat with her?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Just be like, listen, Jane, Hi, I know that's not
your real name, Jane.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
She's like, here, you want a sneaky snack?

Speaker 4 (56:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Thanks, No, I brought my home in the in the
ziploc bag. Just want to know what happened did your dance?
I was eyeshot with leather shoe laces. I'm adding that
part because it's so disgusting, Taylor, Sorry, but there were
clean stitches.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I bet, I bet he did it real quick and
it was only like twelve bucks.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Which is twenty four bucks in our today's standards. In
the post in turn crazy What was her name? Her
name's Jane Toppin, And I'm sure there's much more. There's
much more to know about her. I really do want
to read, like a full on book. I'm sorry, I
can't give you every all of these.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, that's a good sum. I feel like there's lots
more information to be had. I just don't have it.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
How pissed are the toppings that she moved in with
the like we gotta change our fucking name now because
this is our legacy.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Well also, yeah, you know what, too bad? Then maybe
don't hire eight year old indentured servant. Yeah, you're right,
you get you deserve all of it anymore. Also, what
if something happened to her in that, like that's where
it kicked off, Like she was like, everything's terrible, everything's terrible.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Okay, now this orphanage. Okay, well, at least I have this.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Job as an eight year old, and then things really
kick off at the top in's house.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
It's like rape city or yeah, or like dark.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I mean, what who hires an eight year old indentured servant?
Yeah you creep, you old rich creeps.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, god damn it. Yeah, everything is fucked. I don't know.
I see that. I don't know the paza, I see
the light at the end of the stone. I guess
she probably lived longer than anyone else did.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I also think of, like what if you were laying
in the hospital and you're like you feel terrible, and
then you're like, oh yeah, morphine drive yeah, and then
you're like, whoa, now I'm on speed and.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
You're like this hot nurse. Let's sometimes she's hot. This
hot nurse is laying next to me. Fuck. Yeah. She
actually isn't bad looking.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
There's a really great picture of her in Wikipedia, and
she's actually attractive looking. But there is she got the
kind of like she got the eyes where you're like, oh,
you don't want to be in the bathroom with her.
At the same time, she's one of those people that
you know she'd immediately start talking to you real.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Close, crazy eyes.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I bore your mascarat. No, No, you can't back at
three steps back Jane.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, we're not doing this. We're not best friends immediately. No,
And that's not sanitary. That's crazy. That's a good one.
I like old ones. I do too.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Sometimes it's a nice break.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
We should do a couple, we should throw them in
there because it's been real depressing lately.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I know, let's do you know what do you want
to do next week? A theme of like really really
old ones, like weirdly from the fifteen.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Hundreds or something, oh like oldie times.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, like weird old like did you ever see in
the name of The Rose with Sean Connery. It's a
real good movie. But it's Sean Connery and Christian.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Slater actually, and people don't belong together.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I know it works. They're monks and they go to
this creepy I mean, I don't even know. It could
be a much earlier year. I don't know anything. It
is like the Dark Ages, and they go to this
monastery or where priests are. Is it a monastery that's
that's nuns. They go to where priests live because these

(59:31):
priests keep dying in weird ways and they have to
investigate Sean Connery. I think it's during the Spanish Inquisition whenever.
That was me too, and you like the first time
I saw it, I was in high school, but I
was like, this is fucking fascinating because it was like
it was back when like murder was a little bit normal.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, and you didn't live very long, so it wasn't
like you took a ton out of their lives, right.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
But there's always been serial killers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Let's do let's do let's say the fifteen hundreds and
then do anything around there. Okay, like between thirteen and seventeen,
let's say the fifteen hundreds. Then get within a seven
hundred year mark of that. That sounds not the same.
It really is like when is time the day do?
Let's should we do Matt Dwyer's hometown murderer. Ye? Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Our friend Matt Dwyer who Georgia and I, on one
of our first excursions as friends, went to this guy,
Matt Dwyer, who is a hilarious stand up comic, yeah, improviser,
performer from Chicago. We went to his album recording at
what's the name of that bar that he did it at?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Bar one of seven is closed? Now? Oh yeah, it closed?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Anyway, we were right there in the audience for his
album recording and just recently was released.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Do you know that what's the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Name of the hour?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Right now? It is something about inside? Yeah? Hold on,
let's see son of a Bitch? Hold on? Should I
try to find it? Yeah, it'll be like a race. Okay,
I'm looking at his text so oh h, I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Wait, I'm still looking I'm looking out shit, Yeah, Inside
looking Out by Matt Dwyer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's on vinyl and iTunes and is he a special thing?
Is that a special a special thing? Yeah? Awesome label?
Good guy, here's a podcast on Farrell as well. All right,
I haven't listened to this yet either.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Okay, so this is his hometown murder story.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah, awesome, Okay, all right, it's okay ready hold on. Oops.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
So here's my hometown murder story. I grew up in
a sub of the Chicago called Stream of Illinois, and
it was kind of we didn't call it my trans
at the time. We called it a lot of people hillbilles.
It was kind of very working class and angry. And
there was this girl who I didn't know. She was

(01:02:05):
a few years older than me, but she was pretty
and very popular. And she went missing and no one
been you know, this kind of not that kind of
stuff happened, and they couldn't find her for like a
couple of weeks, and then I think eventually they found
her in a like a field or a swamp, and

(01:02:30):
she had been murdered and raped, and they couldn't find
the killer, and then slowly they realized that it was
She was in her parents child and they had two
adopted sons, the Wright brothers, not the one to see
the planes, obviously, but one of the brothers and his

(01:02:53):
best friend forced her out into this field and they
beat and raped her and killed her, and they couldn't
figure out if it was. Then for a while they
suspected it. But and then the other brother who didn't
kill her. I believe, if I'm remembering correctly, he rated

(01:03:16):
them out because he felt really horrible. The crazy thing
is my eighth grade summer I had to go to
summer school because I didn't pay attention to school, And
we would take a bus from my hometown to Elgin,
ILLINOI to go to our some school classes and I

(01:03:38):
only had to take one class, and so did he,
and then we'd have to wait for the other classes
to be over and before we could take our bus
back to our town. So me and the murderer brother
would kind of we would hang out, and we kind
of vaguely knew each other, but we had no other
friends to hang out with, so we would just like
walk around this weird and talk. And I remember like

(01:04:03):
thinking like he never made eye contact. He had a
creepy vibe. And the brother who ended up not the
non murderer brother, he ended up the West Coast and
changing his name. And I don't but the appeal they
recently had to appealed the for the release of the

(01:04:25):
two murders, one which was their adopted time. It's my
murder's story. I hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Holy shit, fucking fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
He was forced kind of to be friends with the murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, but that's crazy that they adopted son. Man. I
bet you were bound about that. That adoption is not
totally not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Sweet before obviously before he they found out that he
did it before even did it, okay, I think, but
he was a creator.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Here's just the thing. I'm never having children.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Well, look, there's a lot to be afraid of. Kitten,
that's for one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Kittens are great.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Oh that's so heavy, Like I would if I was mad,
I would think about that constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah. And the fact that he kind of knew there
was something creepy about him, Like he wouldn't make eye contact, right,
and that's kind of a bad thing. Yeah, and making
eye contact with you so hard right now, just so
you know that I'm not we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
My ex had a hard time keeping eye contact.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
It used to bum me out. But of course instead
of being like, oh I don't like this trait in
a person, I'm not going to continue going out with him.
I just decided that that meant something bad about me.
Uh huh, Ladies, Like he doesn't know, Like, yeah, I'm
he can't look at me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
I'd better lose weight, or I'd better do this more
interesting so he'll want to talk. Yes, you don't notice
that trait or like certain traits until it's not there,
Like you don't notice someone doesn't make eye contact until
or someone does or doesn't until they fucking don't hardcore
and it's weird. Yeah, like I don't notice that now
I can't stop making It's like something I can't we

(01:06:02):
just staring at Yeah, it's like not a thing. You
notice that it's a thing until it's happening right, incorrectly
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
And also that that is such a it's like such
a primal thing. Looking into another person's eyes is like
I can talk to you. We are connected.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I see you as a human being.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah, it's like saying I don't want to be connected
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
It is how I took it, or like I can't
not even I don't want to, Like it's not even
a thing that crosses my mind. Yeah I can't, I won't.
He didn't even know that he was supposed to be
doing that probably did you ever bring it up?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Uh No, not not really.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
You just murdered him and then moved on. If only
admission right there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
The more we do this podcast, the more I know
that I'm absolutely the murderer for sure. That's my if
I gonna land on any side, do you mean? I
mean because I have the Eric childhood head injury sea
shift fucking you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
You kill all those cats. I kill all those cats.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I wet the bed to this day, all the things,
the triangle, trifecta, m whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
That's why I started this with you, because I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
That just because you're gonna pin me in and you
called the cops.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Yeah, this whole thing has been This is never gone.
This is all for the cops. They played back hours
of us being like anyway, like, I don't even know
my cat, Elvis my cat. We're arrested for vocal fry. Fine,
I'll go down for it. I'm proud it was all
her see cat. Well, go to Faral Audio to listen

(01:07:49):
to all our other there's so many, there's twenty, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Twenty of ours. I thought I thought you were telling
people to listen to other podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
No, don't fucking fuck you. Don't listen to anything else,
only listen to us forever. Please. We have twenty other episodes.
This is on Parrell Audio and on iTunes. Please rate, review,
and subscribe so we can beat out the competition, and
you know what, ultimately, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye,