232 - Live at the De Meervaart in Amsterdam (2018)

Karen and Georgia cover Willem van Eijk and Elsje Christiaens.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What's up Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I can't believe.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I can't believe it just said that sentence. I know, amazing.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I've never been here.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Of you, you've never been here. Oh no, you were here.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I have been here. Yeah, all right, let's start over.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
But when I was here, I was here in high
school on one of those tours where you go to
one country a day.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
In like yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So it's just like we were just in France and
we got drunk in France.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now we're gonna get drunk in Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Whose idea is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah? You know my high schools when they were in.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
High school, so you guys, they were real stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Uh yesh high school? Yeah, we did.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I've never been here, and I am badly in love
with it. I met four cats yesterday, oh my, and
each one was cuter than the next. They were all
happy to see me in the beginning, and then I
just got real grabby that one.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
It looked like, you guys, it looked like you're gonna
take that first one home.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah. Then it was this moment of like joy because
we went and sat down at this outdoor cafe by
a canal.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I had this great dress.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
On and we were having a beer and it was
like my fucking ideal day. And then this fucking the
first cat comes up and we're just like, oh my god,
this is so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And then I was going to.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like try to put it on my lap, but I
was scared I.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Was gonna get scratched and everything, and said it was like,
give me a minute, and just jumped on my lap
without having me asking, and I was just in heaven
and I was petting it and petting it and petting it.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It took so many pictures, yeah, so many pictures.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
And then it was done. So it bit me and
ran away, which I totally respected. It was like I'm
done by.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Goodbye, and no, I'd say she has about four days
to live.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Roughly, it was a bit like Memis. I was used
to it, where it was like no breaking of skin.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes, but goodbye, fuck you, goodbye.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
But what's funny is when that cat first walked up,
it was like the cutest cat you've ever seen. And
when that cat bit you and ran, I was like, God,
that cat was dirty.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Suddenly I was like, oh, it's covered in soot.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, doing I definitely wouldn't have done that if I
were home, because that could just bring my dirty dress
back to the hotel room and put it somewhere. But
I wouldn't have brought it home to my house.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
And what I loved is that I would say about
twenty minutes later, George was like, I'm covered in.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Fleas that I cat had. Please, that cat had lice.
What were you saying? Please? Please? Please?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It was really funny.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I definitely had Please.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
She was like, full body fleas. I'm like, the cat
was on your dress. Please have an had time.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
To leave that dress area they're sticking around. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Speaking of we had our laundry dome.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
We've been on tour for not very long, but we
had our first day off yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And oh my god, we smelled so bad.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Every our clothes, these dresses, mine still does. Oh right,
I can't. I couldn't machine wash this dress.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, And I was like, I should just roll the
dice and try it, because talk about cats. This dress
smells like nineteen cats panicked and peed all over it.
It's not a good smell at all. But when I
collected up all my laundry to get done, I was
just like, no, just get the key items that like

(03:58):
are depressing me the most I've won sweatshirt that smelled
so much like yogurt. It's just it was really horrible,
and I was like, I'll just power through it. And
then yeah, then we got our laundry done. Miraculous.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Signed a fucking partner who will go do laundry in
a foreign country where he doesn't know understand the directions
on how to do the laundry. It was just like
he's like, they smell clean. I don't know if they're
actually clean. Yeah, that's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Is amazing, amazing. That was the same night we went
to sleep. We got there, we got into town, got here, sorry,
and there we got that town that we're all staying in.
When we got to town, I went to sleep, I
think immediately, and then I woke up at like eleven thirty, like,

(04:46):
oh no, now I'm hungry.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I didn't eat dinner. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, so I just walked out of the hotel, started
walking around this neighborhood walk. Yeah, and then yourself at night. Yeah,
I was like, look, they are all these beautiful canals.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
What bad thing could happen to me down this side alley?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah? Yeah, the next day when I saw it, I
was like, that was a huge mistake.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I should not have done that.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
But eventually I found my way to a McDonald's. Of course,
of course it's kind of fun though. I ended up
in at McDonald's. They have self served, like we don't
have these in the stage, which is hilarious because no
one can be trusted to do anything by themselves. But
they have actually big computer boards where you walk up
and touch things and order your own food.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And you're like, yes, we know.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I've never seen it before, and I don't speak this
language even remotely, like even slightly. So I was just
touching green buttons that seemed like a good idea to touch.
And then there was finally one where it came down.
I couldn't figure out what to touch, and the only
thing that looked right was a red button, where I'm like,

(05:55):
they can't have done it that, Like that's tricky as
fuck if they made it a red button.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I looked at.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Him, Oh, it is not red button. The order isn't going.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
To be rarely red.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
So I looked it up on my phone and the
word meant destroy. It's like I should probably just press
this button and get back to the hotel room.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think either way, you just it's true. It's all destruction.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah at McDonald's, dude, I got it. Oh, so yesterday
we were we were riding around, No, we weren't.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
We were walking around.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
We were trying to avoid people riding around. I did
hit a guy in the leg and it was just like, oh,
like a bicycler and I felt like such a fucking
asshole American. It's just like you know, yeah, and then.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
With your camera all out in front of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Then this guy on a bike who looked like these
this tall blonde he looked like he was like an
Olympic swimmer and he was just riding his bike.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
They're like, we all look like that standard over.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
He has headphones on and I just hear we hear
him as he goes bye, you go, but I'm gonna
do it.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Here he goes pook.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Poke, pook poke her face book her face just out
loud and then zooms away. It was the most amazing
picture of me riding a bike.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Thoughe like looking Nordick.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Book book book.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Now. When I heard it, and I can't remember if
it was before or after we had visited a coffee
house or whatever they're called.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Pretty sure it was after a pot cafe. It just
sounded to me like book book, big book, book book.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
I was like, that's kind of brave that he's just
making sounds on his bike. Maybe that's a thing they
do here. We'll have to learn about it later. And
Georgia turns me and goes, that.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Was fucking Lady Gaga he was singing. I was like,
that's rad.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
It was this moment of like I feel like the
Stone gods, you know, because like when I spoke potting
are really fucking paranoid usually and like kind of screwed
up and like I'm not good at it, but I was.
It was during the day and I was in amstream.
I was like, I'm gonna do this, and it was
just this moment. I think we had just walked out
of cafe and it was like God, going here, it's
gonna be a good one.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
It was the right thing to do. Poke poke poke
book or face thank you.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
God was like I'm gonna make this funny for you.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
You're gonna you're gonna love it. I was smoking pot
in that way where I was just like this, I'm
expecting to have happen to me what happens to most
of my American friends that come here, and they're like, oh, man,
I went to Amsterdam and I ate this thing someone
gave me, and then I had a nervous breakdown in
my hotel room and I was in the fetal position

(08:33):
for four days.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Like the second we started smoking.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
That pot, I was like, this could go very badly
for one or all of us, but let's just do
it and see what happens. And instead, it was fucking
delightful and perfect all day long.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Because we didn't eat anything strangers handed out. Oh we
did eat a meatball sandwich.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh that's true, but.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
We were in a restaurant. Yeah, and they didn't just
hand it to us. What if I was the poker
faced guy rides by it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
He's like, poke or face, eat this storta and I'm
already swallowing it before you guys were like you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You don't know, don't eat magic meatball sandwich. That's a
bad idea, I know.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Also, I bet that's like we walked through the like
the market area where there was like every it's so smart.
It's just like, have a pot cafe here, and then
just set up a stand of bullshit and everyone's gonna come.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Out and be like, Oh, it's this necklace. It reminds
me of my mother. How many do you want? Nineteen? Okay,
I don't. It's meaningless to me.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I almost got a fucking menora and I'm not barely Jewish,
Like I don't tell them I don't like the candles
at Hanakhah.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
But you're like, it's meaningful. This is a side sir,
damn menora. This is this symbolic of my experience here.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
And then you get home and it's just a candle
obrus You're like, wait, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I was so stoned.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I thought something was Jewish symbolism and it's not.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I was seeing double.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
There was only four four candle on this whoa.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
But you did buy a necklace.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I didn't buy. I bought an.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I bought a necklace that reminded me of a necklace
my mom used to wear.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Until I got home and I was like, this is
nothing like.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
That neck was at all, seriously, and I bought it
at the first stand. I saw that which it had
cost eight, and then I saw it incrementally as we walked.
It was like six fifty five fucking three fifty.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
I was just like, fine, what did I buy?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Then they're the last one. They're like, please take this,
just please take this.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yes, They're like, we're giving these necklaces away. Oh I did.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Also, I bought what I thought was a pot lollipop
at one of those stands.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
And we were both Vince and I were like, oh,
be careful.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
But it was just a lollipop, like I got, it
was just green.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I wish I had video, like time lap video of
me eating this lollipop because I was like doing stuff
on my laptop and I would like take it and
I would have it in my mouth and I would
like literally time it out of like five minutes, now
put it down. Care now, wait twenty minutes. Now see okay,
now five more minutes. Because I was not going to

(11:12):
be the one that was like wandering the streets with
my shirt off or three.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Am Vincent night, here a knock at our hotels.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I'm crying. Can I sleep with you.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Please? I'm scared.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
So it was like I was like dosing myself, like
I was at a hospital, like just fucking like taking
my own pulse.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I got to the fucking center there was gum. I
was like, this was not a.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Pop lollipop in any fucking way.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I just paid five bucks.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
For candy, huh for a lollipop, for just a plain
old lollipop at the market.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Damn, you idiot, you you batches a lollipop not here.
But it wasn't his fault, don't ah, Who's no, My
cats aren't going to take care of themselves and they're
also if he wasn't there, then Elvis wouldn't have had
anyone's laptop to barf on today. Not fucking kidding. Guess
who has to buy Steven a new laptop.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Here's some breaking news from the podcast home Front. Yeah,
Steven sent a text where I was like today, I
was like, hey, can you look this thing up for
me really quick? And then he texted me back, Elvis
just barfed on my laptop and then sent me a
short video of him trying to start up the laptop
and it's starting and immediately shutting down. And I was

(12:28):
just like, all right, talk to you later.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Of course, it's like I'm so sorry, and you're like,
you just had your laptop bark on, Like you don't apologize.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
He's apologizing to us Elvis is getting you guys.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I'm sorry, but the Elvis and Mimi and dot Instagram
is about to go fucking advertising advertising because they need
to make some fucking money because laptops are not cheap.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
What kind of advertising you're gonna do on that?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
I don't know, cat food, cap shilling.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Maybe some kind of a anti nausea kill exactly, emodium
ads something we have over there.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I said backstage that, sorry, Steven, you're getting a Dell.
You know they still make those what's a cheap computer.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And you're just like make your own computers? And then
bill me.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
What if I was like, well I have you can
have my old laptop or my own MacBook Pro that's
like as heavy as this table and about as large.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, those ones that are like had blue on the back.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
And then you could see you You're like, Stephen, we
got you a computer.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yes, you just have to leave it at George's house
and come here to use it.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
But don't come over too often, Stephen.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
It'll be like an internet cafe that's only open from
three to four.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
It'll be like a cat cafe.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I wonder if a cat barf at you're on your
laptop at a cat cafe, would they have to buy
you one?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Probably not?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Those the same rules go for my house then, because
it's essentially a cat cafe.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
I mean, I'm still on that question of like whoa
is that? Is there a certain insurance you have to
buy for a cat cafe or if they bite you.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And then put fleas on your dress?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yes, I'm doing Amsterdam if I can please?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
What an asshole?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Everywhere we went, because we probably ended up going to
like four of those cafe, we would just walk and
then be like, look, let's go in there. It says
feel good, Let's go in there. We just kept doing
that and everywhere we'd go, I'd be like, oh, I
fucking love this song and then write it down for
like this is gonna be the Amsterdam mix. I tried
to put the Amsterdam mix on the in the green

(14:26):
room backstage, me or George and I were both like,
the fuck is this song?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Turn it off? We were feeling good last night yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Every song terrible music.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
We did end up in what we Oh, I have
to tell you something. We were go heading back to
the hotel to like go to sleep, and we walked
by this bar, and I was like, this is the
most beautiful bar from the outside, like exactly what I
want to kind of divy. We go in. It was
the fucking cutest bar.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I was like from the past, right.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Which we don't have in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So we the externity. But it wasn't near the best.
It wasn't grimy, right. It was the best bar I've
ever been to. I'm not going to pronounce the name right,
but it turns out it was the first lesbian bar
in Amsterdam, the first game bar in Amsterdam. Look it up,
you'll find it.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
It was well.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
It had the best music music, and it had them
a little for some reason. It had these little tables
that folded out from the wall. You guys, are you
familiar with you always have these because they fold out
and there's.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
A light in the mirror. I was like, that's the
perfect table for me.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
What if we were just at McDonald We were so
higher at McDonald's all the time.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
They serve these burgers.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
It was the best burger I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Were like, I love this song. It's butt up up up,
I'm loving it.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
We got the fish and chips, we got a fucking
filet of fish and frent fries the best fish.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And chips I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Then we destroyed it, all destroy destroyed. Oh wait, remember that?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Should we not relive at that disturbing moment at the
laundry Mountain when we were walking back to the hotel
on our way.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Don't remember that it happened? Oh no, you don't.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I remember it.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
We were walking by, we passed the laundry about Vince goes, oh,
that's where I took all the clothes.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
And we're like, oh me.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
And then there's a cat laying in the window, and Georgia,
we're all far enough along that we're like cat again.
I took a photo of every cat I met, including
including this cat that's just laying on its back all.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Cute, and I go like, oh, I'm going to take
a picture.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And there's a girl sitting with her.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Back to the window next to the cat, and she
starts it's it looks like she's just playing with the cat,
like it's cute for the picture, but then she covers
the cat's face from the picture and fucking moves it
really hard way from the window. I was like, is
this like the red light district rule where you can't
take pictures, you should post something.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It was like no photos, she.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Was no photos about the cat.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
But then I read an article that's really kind of
interesting about how tourism has gotten so essentially bad in Amsterdam.
There's so much tourism that, like, there was a woman
they interviewed who lives right down there in like the
beautiful part by Canal, who's like, there's just fucking douche
drunk douchebags that are stoned walking by and barfing into

(17:20):
her like planter all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, welcome to college.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I guess right.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
People are like like second year colleging here in Amsterdam.
And but one thing she said about that was the
problem is you have to scoop it out. So I'd
be pissed too. I was just trying to figure out
what the cat lady's problem was. And then I was like,
maybe she has a point. Maybe somebody took pictures of
that cat, put out a calendar, made twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
She got nothing. The cat got nothing.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Cats people keep coming by to take photos of the
famous cat.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah for free.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
She's like, fuck all, y'all, you gotta have an Instagram account.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
She sit down.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. Oh hi, Hi,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's Karen Kilgarreff.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
This is Georgia Hartstar. Hi.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
We're in Absturdam.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
What you know, I washed my hands.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Georgia keeps doing this thing instead of holding hands with me,
where she's holding it like a crab.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I don't understand it. Is it because this dress
smells so bad?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, I didn't want to tell you, but you said
it first.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's not on my hands though.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
We've been to Amsterdam and now, and we went to
Sweden and we got Swedish massages because of course we did.
We went to Oslo, like this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh, let's sit down.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh okay, okay, well all right, so you guys hold on.
I would have this in my house.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, it's from Survey. It's a good one, gorgeous. This
is a very special live show. This is the first
time we've ever had a square table. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I like it. I know it's so like, it's so Amsterdam,
you know, the way it's.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Made of wood and there's taurist barf underneath it. Yeah,
all right, there's my I was looking for a mint
before I left the dressing room just to have a
quick mint, and I couldn't find one, So then I
put this piece of candy in my mouth, which is
not good for the top of a talking show.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
What if I'm no, no, don't put it on mine?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I didn't. What if?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Okay, let's see the scenario.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
You accidentally pulled the wrong piece of pot candy out
last night, you didn't need it, and it turned out
to this, and so you suck on it during the show,
get really fucking baked.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Then I'd be like I love this song, and they're like,
there's no song. No song. Let's carve our initials into
this alright when no one's looking.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, and this is a true crime comedy podcast.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It gets confusing.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
We had to tell the customs dude in Ireland about
it when he was like, what are you guys doing here?
And it was just really awkward for him minute and
we told him and then you do it better than
I do the.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Voice well, because he said, you know, what is the
purpose of your visit? And then we were like work
and then he's like, what kind of work? And then
we have to say it's a podcast, which we're figuring
most people don't know or understand what like, especially a
live podcast where it's like, no, you know, it's like
a radio show, except for we do it in front
of people. We make them come to a theater and

(20:26):
look at us in our dresses at our table.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's nothing special. We're apologizing.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And then he asked the name of it. So then
George says the.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Name, hoping that we don't get arrested in Dublin, and
instead of having any kind of a negative reaction, he goes, oh, yeah,
there was some American girl came through here on Friday.
She told me all about it, and then he goes,

(20:56):
she was insane. We're like, that's sounds right, that sounds
exactly right.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
That was Kelly.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That was our listener, Kelly.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And then when we came through customs here, we said like, oh,
we're doing a live podcast and the guy goes, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Going to do the accident.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Obviously, he goes, what like in a bar? We were like, okay, yeah,
you're right, it totally should be in an empty bar.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
But I was so mad, I know, just like, do
you have bars that hold over eight hundred po forget?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Why am I yelling at a customs officer. That's a
bad idea.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Karen, back off, Karen, stop it. You're gonna get us arrested. Okay,
you going first?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Is it me? Yeah? Right?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do you want to?

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, great, go for it.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm going to do Willem van Eike.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
They don't know him. They don't know him, or they
don't like him, or he's here and it's awkward.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, I thought there would at least be a
small sattering of applause, like it's just some golf.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
No, no, no, that's not a scellary esterdam it is
too late.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
They're like, well, wouldn't it be wrong to applaud for
a serial killer? Right? Yes, you're right, just some recognition
for Christ's sake, because this man is considered one of
the few real serial killers that's from here.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh so I thought they'd be like, oh I went
to high school with that.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
So a lot of the information that's in this I'm
about to tell you it's it's very much Wikipedia based,
as most of my work is. But there's also a
book called Anatomy of a Serial Killer that's written by
I want to pronounce his name steeze.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
But I bet you that's not how you pronounce it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh, we need to pick Oh, we need to pick it.
We need to pick a translator.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Seat seat seats. Listen, we're picking a translates.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Poker face, Okay, I know how to pronounce it.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Now we are going to pick a translator. But this
is what we've been doing.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
You raise these two ladies. They look very professional. They're
the only ones who can yell at us.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
This is how we've gotten to control the yelling.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, what's your name, Leanne Kim?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And you're from here?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Great?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
What if they're from like North Carolina? But they're like, oh,
quickly do the accent?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Do an accent like a person from Amsterdam. Whatever?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Are those the names that like when we were in Sweden,
they would tell us their name, you know, or like
introduce themselves to an inter name we couldn't pronounce it, and
then we'd go try to pronounce it, and then they go,
just Christy, it's Christy. Just call us Christy because we
know you fucking Americans can't.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Get it, willim funk.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
That's the other thing is I think when you American
English is like super nasal and it's just like nah, right,
you know you've heard us over and over then like
you go to other countries and then it's kind of like,
I feel like this language is more.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Like you're inhaling. It's a funny like keep it in.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Shut up, William Funny.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Ike Ike, but it's not ike. It's like it's I'm
choking on a steak. Okay. William fun Is born August thirteenth,
nineteen forty one in Corduar, Netherlands.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
They don't even know how to help you.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Should I show you.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
The paper hotel?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Really? Where where? Quarterar?

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I said, Quarterar, you can't be like that. If you're
going to be the translate, we can't. This is not
it's not about perfection. It's about barely getting over the
finish line.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Please, Oh my god. It's a complicated Okay. So his
Willems is a complicated birth.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Also, I'd never heard of anyone with the name Willem,
except for Willem Dafoe, the American doctor, So I found
this exciting.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Also, so his is a complicated birth.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Later in his life doctors would speculate that he probably
sustained some brain damage during it. So he basically starts
life with a head injury, which we all know is
very bad for the child.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Also, his home life is an ideal.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
His father is known as honest and a passionate man,
whereas his mother is described as a bad housekeeper withdrawn, unreliable,
suspicious and cold.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Sounds fun, I can't.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I wonder if they mean that she was suspicious of
other people or if she was like.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Touching stuff all the time.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
She was the hamburgler she was.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
She just had cold hands and weird eyes. Also, bad housekeeper.
That's a judgment call, and that should compared to who
not me.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
That's for sure.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Also a bad woman. That doesn't make you know, Oh
what a bad woman? Isn't that that doesn't make That's
the worst way I could have said that.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Bless you. Yeah, I know, I thought suddenly you were speaking.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh I didn't tell you I speak touched.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Please don't start doing that, not now? Uh okay.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
In elementary school, he's an outcast of course, always starts
the same way. He gets the nickname crazy Little Willem,
which sounds like it could be fun and cute, but
I apparently was not.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
He's bullied. His school is hellish.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
And it turns out later that he is like when
he grows up, he's almost completely illiterate. So he starts
collecting dead frogs and buff right, what you do when
you're a social outcast. Then people in the village start
to notice that he's also very cruel to living animals,
so his interest is in the deadness. He's he's especially

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cruel to dogs, cats, and ducks, which is very sad.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, how can you even catch a duck to be
cruel to it?

Speaker 4 (27:23):
You know, I think you just run after it and
you just outrun it.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's a duck.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
That sounds hard.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
They have they don't have great running feet. Then he
when he's ten, he gets another concussion or he gets
his first like outside the womb concussion, and for two
years he suffers from severe headaches.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
So right, all right.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
In high school, he's a loner, and according to him,
women found him very creepy and disgusting.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
According to him.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, well a lot of this is according to him,
because the book Anadimate of a Serial Killer is like
interviews with him, jail outs interviews.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I thought you were gonna say he wrote it.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was like, oh no, no, he can't.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Oh right, maybe he had a transcription.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Yeah, he could dictate it into a dictaphone, one of
those Yeah, a dictaphone.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Okay, So he brings that up a lot later on
in his crimes that he basically blames the fact that
women rejected him for the fact that he had to
go ahead and end their lives, which I always think
is so interesting. It's like, you, you know, they found
you creepy and disgusting, so you don't try to reverse
that in any way or just work on anything, just

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like stop having weird eyes like your mom or whatever.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Nope, just kill or find a check is into creepy
and disgusting, that's right.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Girls out there, ladies.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Don't you have a creepy and disgusting club at your
high school?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Join it? Lost my place.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
So in high school, that's when he starts breaking into houses.
It's always the same, breaking into houses, stealing stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Underwear, petty petty crimes.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
And when he's twenty one, he starts to have these
vivid dreams, which is what he told that author about
about raping and killing women, which most people call those
nightmares willhem but whatever. No, he's quoted as saying, at
first they were beautiful, but.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
They became increasingly violent and inhumane.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
They were beautiful, well like, they were just plain beautiful dreams.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Got it.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Then they became increasingly violent and inhumane. I dreamed of
cutting never firearms. Great, thank you, good science, and from
women I knew from our village or from the neighborhood.
In the long run, it got worse, and when I
was twenty nine thirty, it became a real draw drama.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh my god, so much drama.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
So then he says that he would walk around all
day thinking about these violent, horrible dreams that he was
having and basically stay in this like creepy, disgusting fantasy
all day long.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So you know, you wonder why no one was attracted
to you. Maybe you're just like.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
So. In nineteen sixty six, he's twenty five. He very
briefly marries and is divorced. In August of the same year,
he serves eight months in prison because he helped steal
I don't know if this is translation or if it's
just he's boring, but he helped steal lead and batteries
with two other people.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Thanks boring.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's sweet. You gotta get that sweet sweet lead.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
What if it was something super cool like a fucking
time machine. But it translated to lead and batteries, right.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
And wires and wires.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Or maybe he was just making his own pencils. Either way,
he's a creep. So he goes under a court ordered supervision.
Oh shit, I never looked this up. Maybe you'll know
what this means. Court ordered supervision of the Protestant probation.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
No like as if on c.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
They both looked at each other and were like, it
probably just means that.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, I highlighted it and everything to be like, go
talk about yeah, find out what that means. Then I
just started putting on eyeshadow and I was like, I
don't really care. I don't care. Maybe some kind of
a church thing. Sure, he had to go to church.
So anyway, they do a psychological exam. They find out
he has a tendencies toward anger and aggression, and they

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also the examination shows that he has gross gaps intellectually,
but not I don't think that's a judgment call.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I think they mean large. Okay. It's just like yeah, yeah,
it's just like you're this old and you only know
that many words. What the fuck will Okay?

Speaker 4 (32:05):
So on in June nineteen seventy one, fifteen year old
Cora Mantel is taking the bus to Amsterdam to meet
up with her boyfriend on the twentieth.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Of that month. She misses her Oh shit, she misses
her bus home to I torn, I can say that,
I torn?

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, now we're at the point where I just
don't believe I can pronounce anything.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, So that's where she's from. Cores form my torn.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
So basically, she goes into Amsterdam to meet up with
her boyfriend. She misses the bus because they're like, oh,
stand bed for five minutes longer or whatever, or I
mean in the park wherever whatever they're doing in love.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
So she ends up.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
She decides that she's gonna hitch hik homb yes, and
it's nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Just the height of hitchhiking. Yea.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
So she ends up getting picked up by then Ike.
Uh did I say it right? Ike?

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
She hates you, sweet okay, So she has no idea
anything's amiss other than he's creepy and disgusting.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
But it's a ride whatever.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Until they get to Eidhorn and he drives her almost
all the way home, and then he goes a different direction,
and then she starts to panic. He stops the car and,
according to his account, he says to her, we are
going to say goodbye to each other.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
That's the creepiest thing.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yes, She's like, you mean, out here, in the middle
of fucking nowhere, we're gonna say goodbye to each other.
So she tries to get out of the car. He
grabs her scarf and he strangles her with her own
scarf and then rapes herum, drives her body to a
dead end road, strips her naked, throws her body into
a ditch. She's not discovered until two days later, on

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June twenty second, nineteen seventy one. She was supposed to
start a new job at a jewelry store in all smear.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Oh the face you gave everyone about it?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Did you hear?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
That guy goes, yeah, we did it. She didn't even
ask kid brand new Karen. So she was supposed to.
She was supposed to. She had gotten this new job
at a jewelry store. She was supposed to start it.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
She doesn't show up and so and her body hadn't
been found, but she was missing.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
So then the jeweler becomes a suspect.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Oh no, yes, and until they find her body, so
nothing's proven.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
The case goes cold.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Then three years later, on August nineteenth, nineteen seventy four,
the lifeless body of forty three year old a forty
three year old nurse name Alca Vanderplatt is found behind
some newer near a cornfield.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's terrible.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
She's been raped, her stomach has been ripped open, she's
been disemboweled, and her left breast is mutilated. She's been
stabbed a total of twenty seven times.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
So there are six witnesses that report that they see
Willem writing his moped around the scene of the crime
that night after it.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Happens, before her body is found.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Uh no, the night her body is discovered. He's just
fucking buzzing the area.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Chill is moped super chill.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Can you imagine, like, oh this awful thing?

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, poke, poke, poke, poker Facebook, Yes, he's poker facing
it all around. But more like this mopeed creep on
a moped is the worst kind of moped driver. You
want that person to be like carefree, like yay, I've
got the world on a string.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
More Wes Anderson and less Yes, fucking yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Okay. So it turns out so all these people tell.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
The police like this guy is disgusting, and they find
out that Willem lives down the street on a houseboat
called the English translation is the Freedom. So the police
go they question him about the murder and he immediately
confesses and he gets arrested on his dumb houseboat. I'm

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like very interested in house boats. I think it would
be super cool to live on one.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Here.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
It's like we came out of a couple of those
fucking cafes and we're.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Like, look at the boat.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
At one point, Vince's like, oh, we could take a
tour of the city on a boat, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
But what if I can't get off the boat.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
I was just completely picturing myself of like I step
on the boat, they shut whatever the gate.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Is, we take off, and then I'm like, I can't
do that.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
She jumped in the water. International incident there is there
was a cat boat, puss in boat, but we didn't
go on it because I was I already had pleased
that's right.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
If that cat hadn't bit you, you would have been
the captain and puts. I would have fucking moved on
to it yesterday. Bye, guys.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
He's been like, the show's canceled because Georgia won't get
off the catboat.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Steven's like, I understand.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
He was like, I'll be there in twenty eight hours, okay.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
So He's confesses is arrested. He basically tells.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
The police I'm relieved. He explains that he saw Alja
walking down the road. He got the idea to quote,
do something with the woman.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
He goes back to the houseboat. He grabs a knife.
He rides up behind her on his uh on his
mop head.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
He shows her the knife. He threatens her, says you
have to come with me. He pulls her to the
area where her body's found. He uh. When she tries
to fight him off as he's raping her, that's when
he's stabbed. On August twenty first, William's arrested on his houseboat.
I said that already, but it's written here twice, and
he confesses to the murders of both Alta and Cora

(38:10):
mantell So at age thirty three, William von Ike is
tried and sentenced to eighteen years in prison and voluntary
commitment to psychiatric hospital.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
So the details of.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
The murder are so horrifying that when the trial, when
everyone gives their testimony in court two or several, it
says of the guards vomit in the courtrooms, so awful
to hear. And the press describes him as a man
without emotion and someone who has no remorse for his crimes.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
And he's sentenced to eighteen years. Yeah, I think that's
max here.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I bet that. I bet he gets out quicker than that.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, uh.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Yeah, five years later, he's still in jail. He's still
in jail.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh god. But he puts out he's lonely.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
So he puts out a personal ad in the new
paper and from jail, from jail, explaining that he's a
thirty eight year old man who loves houseboats and mopeds
and he's looking for a relationship with a woman. And
he specifies in his ad that children are not a problem.

(39:18):
Oh great, yeah, so gather around children. So a woman
named Audrey responds to the ad.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
They begin to correspond.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I think over here they call them pen friends, which
makes me laugh because in America we call.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Them pen pals.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
So stupid, do you right? So it's pen pals is
dumb to you? Pen friends is dumb.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
To us.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
A world of crazy place anyway. It's a small world
after all. Okay.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
So eventually she comes to visit him in prison. He
tells her that he is murdered too women.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
He fesses up to her.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I think she would have asked about that beforehand, like
the first.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Letter, what are you in for me?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Quick? Like?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Bet she's not typing on a computer? Hey, quick question?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
What about a wall computer?

Speaker 4 (40:06):
What if she's typing on that McDonald's menu board?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Destroy that shit.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Maybe she was on a typewriter. That's what I was doing.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Well anyway, either way, he keeps it from her until
they meet in person. Then he says I've murdered two women.
She's like, look, we've all had a tough time of it,
honey or some shit. Because while he's still in jail
in nineteen eighty two, they get.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Married, okay, and right, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
She ends up because she's the only one who understands him,
ends up hiding this marriage from her family, including her
five children. Tons like it's bad enough to have to
get a new step dad, and then it's fucking William
will will Willem Defoe ugh so so uh when it

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is time for him to be parolled.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Because of this marriage.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
The authorities believe that he can assimilate back into normal scus.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
They're like, he has somewhere to go and a person, yeah,
look after.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Her, and he's clearly he couldn't do it before, but now.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
All he needed was the love of a good woman.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Right again, it's women's fault. It's there and they're in
the center of everything that they would mix it. Do
what that creepy, disgusting man says, then he'll stop killing.
So his relationship, they do say it could prevent him
from murdering, but they warn that more female rejection could

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trigger a relapse because quote the core of his problem
has not been treated substantially anyway by William to see
you later, good.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Luck, there's your shit.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Don't let the screen door hit in the ass on
the way out, as we say in my family. So
when he's released in nineteen ninety, he and his wife
of eight years, who he doesn't know that well, they
move in into a house in Harksteaed.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I mean, you got it right, or they don't know her.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Whole head went over to the side like this. That
can't be positive.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
But nobody else said anything either.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
I think they're just being polite. It doesn't matter. They're
basically trying to tell us it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Okay, thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
So watch this.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
He goes to a clinic in Grown again. Okay, So
he starts going to that clinic in Golon again for
psychicatric care. He's described by the staff as one of
the most difficult patients they've ever treated.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Oh can you imagine.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
At a mental hospital. That's bad. It's not at Starbucks.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
And then so that's like outpatient treatment apparently.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
But then for a job and for.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
A business, him and his wife start a pet sitting business.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I got problems with that.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, because remember his history with ducks and puppies and
dead frogs, Steven Steven. So within six months, as we
might have all guessed, problems begin to arise in the home.
Willim starts drinking and heavily, and then pretty soon his
wife takes her gathers up her five children.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
And gets the FuG out.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
So that's when he begins to regularly hire sex workers.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
In his home.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
So, in November of nineteen ninety three, the body of
twenty three year old Michelle Factol is found in a
ditch near the village.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Of Umtil.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Got it keep going.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
They've just abandoned us entirely. We asked you to do something.
You don't even know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
It's that bad. Really, I'm so mad at you.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
E n you m atil that doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
In a doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
In a village, the body of a twenty three year
old sex worker is found in a ditch and she
has been strangled to death. And then, fourteen months later,
January twenty first, nineteen ninety five, the body of a
thirty one year old sex worker named Annalise Randiers is
found in the Emscinal near opping at them. Yeah wow,

(44:39):
I'm gonna move here.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I'm gonna teach English classes, okay.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Later that same year, the torso of a twenty four
year old sex worker Antoinette Bank is found in Windshuter
Dipe and then later on other body parts of hers
are found in a duffel bag.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So basically, just.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Dead sex workers just start showing up over and over.
Less than two years after that, the body of nineteen
year old sex worker named Shirley Hairgers is found, and
then when they find her body, the police find out
that her friend Yolande Meyer is also missing. So then,
about three years after Shirley's body is discovered, on July seventeenth,

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two thousand and one, the body of thirty four year
old Scott Sasta Schenker is found in a canal. Police
discover that Willem von Eike is a regular customer of hers,
and of course then he becomes prime suspect when her
clothes are found several months later in the same canal
near his house in a plastic bag weighed down with stones.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
That's when they arrest him. So why why that was crazy?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
So four months after they find her personal line, on
November twelve, two thousand and one, William van Ike is
arrested upon suspicion of murder.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
He confesses to killing.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Michelle Fatol, Annalise Randiers and Saska Schenker. Police also suspect
him of two other unsolved murders, Antoinette Bomt and Jolande Meyer,
but he does not confess to those crimes.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
So authorities excavate the.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Ground all around his house, but they don't find anything.
They think they're going to find missing bodies, but they
don't find anything, and they can't find any hard evidence
linking him to those two crimes. But between his release
in his first release in nineteen ninety and his second arrest,
there were eight sex workers and several other young women

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murdered in and around the area where he lived.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
But why wouldn't he confess to all of them?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I don't know, because he bid fuck an asshole, I have, but.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Maybe he didn't do that's scary.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
What's scary is that maybe there were like four fucking murderers. Well, always,
it's always a possibility, it's always definitely.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
So on November seventh, two thousand and two, he's tried, convicted,
and sentenced to life in prison for the murder of
Michelle fatal An, Alice Strangers, and Saska Schenker.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
He tries to appeal.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
The Supreme Court of the Netherlands is like, go fuck
yourself forever. All of his requests for clemency are denied.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
They're just like, no, we did it wrong the first time.
This shit is over. His lawyer.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
What year was that?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Sorry, that was two thousand and two.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
His lawyer reads his statement and it says, quote, I
killed those women.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It's terrible. I did not want that.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
It happened to me, dude, No, I did not think
of it before, and it's still a mystery to me
that has caused me to what has caused.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Me to act like that. I am not a monster?

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Disagree. I did not want all this too. To say
that you are sorry is easy, but that is not
what it is meant to be. I am sorry.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
I wish I could undo it, even if it would
be at the expense of my own life.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Sounds great, And as of twenty thirteen, Yolandemeyer's body has
not been found.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
That's the most reason I was doing that thing.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Have you done the thing where you look up an
article on Google and you hit Google Translate and then
the article comes up in the most insane English.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
That you're just like, what is this a fairy tale? Yeah,
some kind.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
I'm trying to read these stories. Yes, but from what
I could, and that is like five years ago, so
there might be an update since. But her body has
not been found from the last thing I could find
on Google. And although it was never proven that Willim
was responsible for her disappearance, it's publicly believed that he
killed both Shirley Haigers and Yolandemeyer. So that's what everyone

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around town thinks, and that is Willem von Eike.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Everybody. Oh my god, good job.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
It's just so crazy that there are these like huge
murders and serial killers and all over the world and
I've never heard of them.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Every story we've done here on our trip is like,
what the fuck this would have been? I should have
known about this.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, well they didn't know.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay, Okay, I want to say this name right, Good
fucking luck.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I am doing the story of the murderer Elsia Christians.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
They've never heard of.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
That, or I said it wrong. It could be my fault. Elsie.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That's her name, okay.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
So, Elsia Christian or just Christians was born in sixteen
forty six in.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Denmark a while ago.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Oh wow, this is an oldie.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
That's why they don't know her.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, this is a classic. It's a you know from
the old time ours you one of these. It's one
of these, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
This is a lot on podcast. You can't see us.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, when we talk about back in the day, it's
usually a hitchhiking motion.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Okay, was born in sixteen forty six.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
There's not a ton of shit known about her life.
From beforehand, because it's fucking old.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
You didn't undo some scrolls and try to get some
information off and.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
From what it sounds like she's just a normal human being.
But in the spring of sixteen sixty four, she's eighteen
years old and she leaves Denmark, wants a new life
and moves to Amsterdam, which is a booming, fucking town.
At this point, there's not a ton of information about
this murder. So let me tell you about Amsterdam. Oh,

(50:40):
I loved it in the seventeenth century.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I need to hear about it.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Great.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I wish I should have known about this beforehand.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
The seventeenth century was Amsterdam's golden age, Karen, was it?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I think?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Now?

Speaker 6 (50:54):
Is?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I mean? Right? Barfing tourists In the year sixteen hundred,
Amsterdam emergence as one of the world's most important centers
of trade. Everyone you know this. You went to school year.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
They're like, yeah, I did this report in sixth grade.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
You're fucking copying my report right now. With trade, Karen
obviously came wealth and a blossoming arts and science So
I was fucking scrounging.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, tell what was their main export? Chrome?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Well, it also became a vibrant cultural hub, and one
of three Amsterdammers was an immigrant. Turns out, Wow, the
Sephardic Jews were fleeing persecution in Spain and Portugal, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Over there.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So your menora was real.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
That's right, shit, I should have bought it was from
the sixteen to fifty, isn't it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Whatever?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
And then.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Is that around the time cheese was invented? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
And then I wrote again with trade came wealth and
blossoming arts and sciety.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Oh and then she drew a picture of downtown Amsterdam
like you used to do in book reports to fill
up the whole page.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Remember that. We'd be like, here's a Lincoln's house. Pretty
sure they didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
We did that?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, that was us, That was our guy.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Sorry, they're like we like school, okay.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Also listen ships for listen ships for the basis of world?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
What did ships do? What the fuck is this selected ship?

Speaker 4 (52:32):
I know, we basically accidentally start a podcast where now
we have to travel the world giving book reports to
cities about their own cities.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
We're both college dropouts. This is articulate, and you bought
a ticket for it.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Know what's happening?

Speaker 3 (52:55):
It might still be high from yesterday.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Oh that'd be cool if like a second high kicked in.
And we're just like, tell me about ships, imports, export.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Keep hitting my teeth with this microphone. Okay, But then spices,
spices happen.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
They bring spices in goods.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Of your leading financial center. Then I write about something
that interests me, which is the bubonic plague. O. The
bubonic plag fucking comes around from and from sixteen sixty
three to sixteen sixty six, more than ten percent of
the population died of plague. Fuck, that's fucking fun. Right.
By sixteen seventy, no fewer than two hundred and twenty

(53:36):
thousand people lived in the city. Is fucking crowded. They
build more of it. You guys know the story. But
back to sixteen sixty four, when our gal Elsia is
eighteen years old. She comes to Amsterdam. She's like, I
want to live here. She finds a place to live.
She runts a room in the land with the landlord. Lady.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Wow, that's so like independent for Gal.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I know, I wonder what she was like. She wants
to be a maid, so she starts looking for a
job to get to be a maid. But within two weeks,
she can't find a job. She's running out of money,
she can't pay rent. And let's see, she lived on
the damn rack them rock, Thank you you guys. Then

(54:21):
you'll know that it's an avenue and partially filled canal center.
Oh yes, yes, in Amsterdam Central and the Northern Doms
square on the south.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And she looks for a job here, there's a great
McDonald's over there.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And then I wrote it up.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Poor people back then in Amsterdam, what were they like?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Well, they did have a system of civic poor relief
and charitable institutions.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
That's nice.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, so the old, in the insane, the sick and
orphans were supported whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
So emotionally, yeah, it's like, yeah, keep it up, you.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Guys, you'll get there someday.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Don't give up, don't drop out of college.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
So she can't find a job. The landlady's fucking pissed
about it. One morning she wakes Elsie up and is like,
pay me rent, and Elsie's like, I can't, and the
landlady grabs a fucking broom and.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Starts hitting her with it.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
That's ol, pay me rent. Elsa does what any fucking
normal person does and sees a fucking axe lying there
and picks it up.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, because they're just been a big axe shipment that morning.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, right, one of the many.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Axes imported from Canada.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
And even though the landlady's right, Elsie is like, no,
I can't, and then hits her with the ax.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I think it was a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
It's hard, you know, there's not a lot, and and
she falls down the flight of stairs into the cellar
and she lays there dead.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Meanwhile, the neighbors, because it seems like you just every
wall is shared in the city, yeah, are like that
sounded bad.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So they they.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Come over, was there a broom AX fight in here
just a second ago?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Because we are positive I heard.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
The distinct sounds of a broom slash ax ROOMAX fight.
It's like, yeah, stairs, someone brought a broom to an
X fight.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yes, I didn't want to thank you.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
H don't bring a broom to an AX fight. It's
true though, but how would you?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Okay, So she answers the door to the neighbors and
she's like covered in blood and they're like something's going on.
She runs out to try to run away, and they
go in and discover the body. I think they must
chase after her or something, because she jumps into one
of the canals.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I would too, you know, but she can't swim, so
I would not.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Uh So the bystanders help her out of the water
and they bring her before the city magistrates. When question though,
she eventually confesses to the murder of her landlady. She's
taken a tryal, she's found guilty and sentenced to death.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Shit that was fast for her.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
She's like looking for a job one day.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
She's like, here's me in the big so shit, now
I'm going to be killed by the governments.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yep. So this is this is the first execution of
a woman in Amsterdam in twenty one years. So of
course the public go is fucking like crazy and it's
a big spectacle and they do it in front of everyone.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Back then executions executions were like HBO.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Back then it was just like primo cable telephone exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
So everyone wanted to come watch. But okay, so the
method of execution is also controversial, so h even for
that back then in the sixteen hundreds, which is like
fucking drawn and quartered.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
At times when you like this standard way was being
tard and feathered.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I think, sure, right, I didn't look that.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Let's just keep naming ways people used to get killed.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Let's see, well, here's one. She would be strangled with
the garrot, remember that from John Bana Ramsey.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Yes, thank you, my cap.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
And at the same time she would be hitting the
head with an axe, not just any acts, but the
axe that she used to kill her fucking Landladyeah, that's
some vengeance.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I hope you learn your lesson. Oh wait, you're dead,
go like fuck? And people were like, great, what time
do we get there to watch?

Speaker 4 (58:33):
I want to pull my kids out of school. Is
it going to be at one or two?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I got to start dinner at three, so it better be.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Quick because it's old in time time right before the
sun goes down.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Right, I will die of the gubonic place. That's right,
because that's what they thought caused it back then. That's
not true. Don't quote me on this.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
This is when the book report goes way out of control.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Well, we found out recently from a friend that the
show Drunk History, which is so great, that they are
using our research for their new season.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
And we're like, don't do that do that.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
All right, do it? She's going to be a good season,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Blah blah blah, same acts, public exclusion.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
That's not how you say it.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
What was?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It took place in the.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Central damn Square down Square in Amsterdam.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
You guys have been there. They used to kill people there. Okay,
So not only is she gonna get fucking strangled and
then some guy has to hit her in the head
with the axe. Afterwards, they're going to publicly display her body.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oh, which is.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
The thing they did back then with like particularly bad criminals,
to be to humiliate them in their death, but also
to be like, don't kill your landlady with an axe.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Right to everyone, this is what happens to you.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
This is the only way you'll learn, right. Just the
Bible hadn't been invented yet.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Who knows, Okay, it's nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
We don't know, and we can't find out.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Anyway. Moving on. I tried to look it up on
the McDonald's screens. Destroy I destroyed the Bible.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
What I love is sorry sidebar, I just you had
to order ketchups on that screen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
McDonald's getting cheap, y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
They will not give you ketchup unless you beg for
it like a peasant. And so I was like, fine,
I'll pay for an extra for a ketchup or whatever.
And then when I went to walk away, open the
bag and there was no ketchup, and I went back
with just a hideous American tourist and I just held
up the receipt.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Like you were not fucking around. But how good was
the McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
It was so much better than America McDonald's. It was
like clearly made with love, and I thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I've just realized I've had McDonald's three times on this trip.
Let's make it one more. Okay, Well, it was better
than a Dublin. And when we were an Honeso, that
was the next McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Too hot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
So far, we get to a lot of places very late,
where like we're staying at hotels, we're like, oh no,
we stop serving, we stop serving everything, and we're like,
please help us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
We don't know what time it is. We haven't slept
in hours, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
In hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I need to sleep for at least sixteen hours a day, or.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Every two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I need a nap.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I'm like a six month old baby. You have to
feed me and then put me to bed every two
fucking hours.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I'm like a six month pregnant woman and I need
to eat for two and take a nap all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Okay, all right, hoss my hair. It's great what I'm
doing with. Shoose it up on this side a little
bit more. Yeah, there it is. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Thanks, No, stop it, I can't stom Okay, it's it's
one of my greased my hair with McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
We're like you when you call it as an American
when you come to Europe, you try to be not American,
like you try to just not talk and pretend.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
You just apologize the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah, try to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Pretend that you're from somewhere else, and uh, we've just
fucking American, did up all? I mean, there's just no
mistaking now, like you guys McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Okay, okay, okay. Her body was to be display quote
to be digested by the air and the birds. Oh yeah,
lift it to rock yep at the gallows Field. There's
a whole area for it outside the city. Okay there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So her her body was hung on a gibbet. Do
you know what that is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Let me tell you what it is, okay, in great detail.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Great, just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
It's the gallows type structure from which the dead or
dying bodies of criminals are hung on public display. And
sometimes it's like the body shaped cage so that they
can't even like they have to stay in like human
looking form the whole fucking time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
So they can't even like, oh my nose it is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
No. I think it's like the dead people too, where
it's like they can't fall off of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
They have to stay in this They're like kept in
this cake.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
That's horrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
No, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Yes, so it almost is like a sewing mannequin, but
you can see through it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And then there's a person in there rotting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Uh huh Okay, it's supposed to it to her other
existing or potential criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Doesn't do it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Nope, No, that that doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Okay, so okay, And then alongside her body so she's
hung up, and then next to her, hanging next to
her head is the axe. Like they cannot get over
this fucking axe. Yes, she's just like randomly picked it up.
It wasn't like it was her axe and she loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I'm so glad it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Wasn't something embarrassing like her own bra or like whatever
would be kind of humiliating, like strong underwear. I don't
know what it would be that would actually kill somebody,
at least an ax is kind of scary and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Right, yeah, totally totally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Oh, I mean it, okay hung next to her head.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
So her death probably would have been forgotten, right except
and you aren't. History majors should fucking know this. A
certain painter was interested.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
In her death. So your dude, Rembrandt, ooh, your.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Friend, congratulations on Brandt, by the way, and van.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Goh pretty much all of them, because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, a lot of them are from around here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Sixteen sixty four, so Rembrand's almost sixty years old at
this point. He didn't go to the public execution, but
later that same day, by the time she had been
hung up, he rose his boat from his modest house
on Rosngracht.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Thank you to the volt wick vulchick boli wi jk
wait they are stoned.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Wait the meatball siting't you?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
And and so he he fucking row rose his boat
over there. Sure, and he fucking like sees her up
there and he like sketches two drawings of her. Oh,
it's one in one up close, in one profile, and
they're so fucking creepy and like there's so much feeling
in them, even though they're just like basic sketches.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It's her face shows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
A look of disbelief and resignation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
It's just this sad look on her face that you
can just tell what it's what it says, even just
with this basic drawing. He was good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I meant good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
It's pretty good. It's officially known. The work is officially
known as a woman hanging on a gibbet. And at
this point in his life he had already buried two
of his wives, one recently from the plague, and three children,
and he was in financial straight like, he wasn't fucking
doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Even ronbrand didn't do well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
You guys, don't feel bad. Don't feel bad.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
There's so many Rembrandts in this audience tonight. It's gonna
be fine in one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah, So he wasn't the only artist who drew something
from him. There's also a pen and ink drawing with
watercolor by Antony van boorsum En which her body was
seen hanging alongside other criminals at an execution site. So
Rembrandts is special because it's just her, you know, as
the subject. But his is kind of interesting looking. It

(01:06:33):
looks it's like what you would fucking see back then,
which is a lot of dead bodies. So back then,
back then it was drawn. Recently, people were trying to
identify the date of the sketch of Rembrandts, and they
were like, it's sixteen sixty five. All these like no,
what All art people were like, I know what, Yeah,
it's from But because it was one of his rare

(01:06:55):
drawings that he drew of a current event, they could
then place it because of her back to sixteen sixty four.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
So in their face, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
So Tom Defreston, an artist based in Oxford, said this
about the case.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
The law courts had obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Felt that a public hanging would act as a deterrent,
but from its punishments such as this that we should
be deterred. I can't help but see an irony in
the fact that her surname is Christians, for it was
a Christian society that preached forgiveness, but was happy to
sanction and support the barbaric acts of cruel punishment. She is,
with doubt, a victim of a system whose crimes hanging

(01:07:36):
an impoverished eighteen year old girl went far or far
worse And both the rembrands drawings of this event are
at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
And that's the murder Elsie Christians. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Thanks, do we have time for a hometown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Listen to the rule.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Oh my god, you guys, there have been so many
great hometown murders during this tour. It's been so awesome.
So you probably know this if you listen to the podcast.
We just tell you really quickly. You don't seem like
a super drunk audience or stone. But if you're under
the influence in any way, that's fine with us. As
long as you can tell your own story coherently and
follow it all the way through, that's key.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
It needs to have a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Beginning, in the middle and an end, and not just tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
But anytime you tell a story, please don't be one
of those people that just fucking starts shit and then
wanders off.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
It's very irritating. Let's see, we want it to be local.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
We would love for it to be from Amsterdam proper,
but like again, we don't want to hear from fack
in Arizona. And never hate too, and just make it
quick because if you get picked, all the people that
didn't get picked hate your guts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
And now Georgia will put her special picking. There's Vince,
our tournamenter. Okay, can I have a lights up?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Anyone have a hole?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Look at this?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Am I gonna have to pick the only person with
her hand up up?

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Yeah, you had your hand up, Go to Vince.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
That's why you got it, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Nice?

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
We love running, yay, Okay, don't yell? Okay, got the
lights down? Or shreak if they're too high.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Guys, it's crazy. Hi, it's Tatiana.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You got everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Hi, she's got that's okay, career, she's got our jacket
on too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Turnaround, look at that. Oh my god, so awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Oh yeah, back to where I'm actually from, Canada?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Okay, wait, way way, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
I live in Switzerland. Okay, yeah, I work for the UN. Okay.
And then I found out you were touring, and so
I was like, oh, let's go to Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
What's your hometown.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
My hometown is Winnipeg.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Manitoba. Okay, she just doesn't give a fuck about the roles.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
No, no, but okay, I lived all over Canada. My
dad is a PhD. So you go where the contract is.
And I I had a crush and a boy who
is now in prison for murder for hire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Oh yes, okay, what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
So I was in the seventh and eighth grade in
Ontario and his name was Dennis, and so we used
to walk home together. And so I ended up moving
around a lot as a child. And then about ten
years ago, a dear friend named Katie emailed me and says, hey,
do you remember Dennis. I'm like, yes, I do, and

(01:11:09):
She's like he's in prison for murder and I'm like oh,
and so yeah, he unfortunately got involved in a murder
for higher case in Kitchener, Ontario, and.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
He currently is in appeals.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
What did he do?

Speaker 6 (01:11:28):
So there is a woman who is married to him.
I don't know the woman, I don't know the man,
but he was apparently she was apparently married to a
man who didn't want to be married to her anymore.
And he hired two people, one of them being this
boy I had as did he do it? Currently in
the Canadian court system. They're in appeals as to who

(01:11:50):
held the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
So he did it? He did it?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Yeah, Tatiana, everybody, thank you so much. Well that's it, Amsterdam,
that was our show for you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Thanks Amsterdam.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
We can't believe that we are so freaking lucky that
we got to come here to your city and Europe
in general for this podcast that we started in my
living room with cats everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
So thank you guys so much for making that happen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Also, thank you, guys for becoming your own community. That's
kind of the coolest thing that we keep watching and
hearing about and seeing is the listeners of this show
have now become Murderinos, and the Murderinos have started communities
all throughout the world and with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
And so often we do meet and greets at our show.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
We have people come up and say they have extreme anxiety,
they've never gone anywhere by themselves, and they come to
our show by themselves, and then they meet friends.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
At the shows.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
And that is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
We also have people telling us they've gone back to
college to become forensic patholic pathological investigators.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
There are people that come up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
There's a girl and a woman in London who came
and showed us her acceptance her college acceptance letters to
two different colleges because she was going to study forensics
and she had already dropped out of college and thought
she would never finish, and she decided after listening.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
To this podcast that she was going to go back.
And is she here? Is that where you're pointing or no?
Oh oh? I thought somebody was like, and she's here tonight.
But it's just like, it's just so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
It's a personal conversation George and I started having two
years ago that we thought we'd record to see if
anybody else cared about it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
And now all of a sudden, all this other amazing
stuff's happening, and we get the credit for it. It's
so amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
So thank you so much for being here, for being
so awesome, for being so supportive. We can't thank you enough,
and please stay sexy and doun.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Good bye Asterdawn.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Thank you