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In this week’s quilt episode, Karen and Georgia cover The Beast of Birkenshaw and the mysterious legend of D.B. Cooper.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hell, Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's Georgia Hartstar.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
That's Karen Kilgareth.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
You're welcome. Frank.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
That's a dog snuffling excitedly.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Frank. Frank's doing a thing on the bed where he's
just running his nose. He's driving his nose back and
forth along the bed.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh, it feels good.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You got some inches?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Feels good.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
How's it going?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
What's going?

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Man?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We're recording Mondays now.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
It is a change though Mondays are a different vibe.
They are Tuesdays sometimes Wednesdays. If we were really going
to push it, Mondays is like we're getting it together.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, so if we're missing, like if if Bitcoin explodes
on Wednesday and we don't somehow you're like, how are
they not talking about bitcoin?

Speaker 4 (01:09):
And doagecoin. It's coage cooin is.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
The new American currency. Why aren't they even addressed?

Speaker 4 (01:14):
And the fan cult.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
We only accept doagecoin now because it's cute, so get
used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
There's a lot of that kind of stuff that I'm like,
I am pretending that I can ignore it. Where it's like,
well that I'm old, it doesn't apply to me. Where
It's like, yeah, that's exactly how you basically get sucked
under by culture.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, does money apply to you? Because oh please, yes,
I hope you know. I stay young by reading Reddit
and reading up on what happens and Reddit. They keep
me young, man, those commenters.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I stay young with emulliens and moisturizers slathering them.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I stay young by eating the blood of No. No careful,
Oh shit, I almost gave away my secret. Give this,
you'll give away this.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You'll be attacked by QAnon if you start making does
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I will says I had lunch with my mom today. Uh,
speaking of what.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
I was just gonna say. She looks incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
She's like sand is five hot, is a hot piece.
She's a gorgeous woman.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
She is she has no had no work done. I'm
forty and have had more work done than she has.
And she's just and she used to bathe in the
sun with crisco on as a child. And she looks incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Is she does she eat a certain type of diet?
Is she some kind of she doesn't adhere to a
certain this or that.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
No, we're big, we're big, red wines, red wine.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
You know she's healthy. She eats.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Well, I'm like, can I get a piece of that?
Those jeans? Hopefully you're my real mother, because yeah, keep.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
This is where it all comes out.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I know, I start to age terribly and she's like, well,
got something I gotta tell you.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Uh. She also has amazing hair.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh a main.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's a main truly. The first time I saw her,
she walked in when we were decorating for your wedding,
and she came in with sunglasses on her head and
this head of hair. I was like, is Gloria Steine?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
I'm here?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Who is that? It was crazy?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
She looks She looks like she hasn't actually worked hard
her whole entire life, which she absolutely has, and had
three children who were very rambunctious yes at once basically yeah,
both my ye back to back.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh you know, just thinking how much older is your
sister than you?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Eighteen months baby, same as yours?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Shit, oh you're Irish twins too, We're Irish twins.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I was a gift, not an accident. She always tells
me that.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Then don't bring it up.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I don't do you know anything though that I don't
need to know that.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
You don't have to blame.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yourself for all the troubles of their marriage, Georgia, if
you just didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
No, it has nothing to do with you. It has nothing.
You know what. Maybe that's what keeps Janna's skin so tight,
is she just keeps telling the truth, Like, dude, it's
very dude.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Uh what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Was there? Did you have a little story about it?
You told me some people got shouts out.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Oh yeah, I wanted to give a shout out to
the shout out that the weed Arenos got.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
What Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
In an article in Vulture by Kevin Cortes wrote an
article called the Wide and Wonderful World of weed Podcasts,
which amen, I thought it.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Was just Doug Benson. I don't know there was a
wide world.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Doug Benson and our friend Henry Zebrowski have Last podcast
on the Left. Did you know that last Podcorn to
the Left had herb grinders in their merch store. That's
sold out immediately.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
And then they're also going to launch official podcast weed
Vapes in the future. So God's work, gentlemen, ultimate crossover.
Well done boys. But so then it says, and beyond
the category of podcast creators, there are the weed Arenos
the weeded my favorite murder murder Renos fans who congregate

(05:28):
and bond over pot on.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Facebook, whether they.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Just like the stigma they're they're making the stigma of
smoking weed less so and so I want to give
them a shout out for their shout out, and we
support you.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And here's how you do that. You go, heyman, Hemian
Amien beer beer weed. Are Renos represent right?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Thank you for for twenty we.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Read app all types in this community.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
We let we appreciate you, and we think we can
learn from you. Two Oh not high right, Believe it
or not.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
God, I wish I had a piece of news for you,
But I truly, I mean, I've done a lot. I've
done a lot of patting myself on the back because
I do the dishes every.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Morning, Karen, Can I just tell you how much more
that is than I do every any day, every day,
quarantined or not.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I mean, but I'm almost doing it. Just so I'm like,
don't you know, well, here's a better way to say it.
I had a couple people over. It started as I
was going to have one person over to eat dinner
who would also had their second shot a while ago,
and then people started hearing about it, so we had

(06:57):
had it like basically it was a four person dinner party,
which is how I discovered I only had two forks total.
Can you fucking believe that shit? I was like, I
don't notice, right, I just used the one and then
the other ones in the sink and it doesn't really
it didn't come up for me. And then when I
went to grab forks there was two, and.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
It was just like, well, this is very embarrassing fork.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Thank god, though we ordered so much Chinese food, the
chin Chin just gave us so many life not just
chopsticks butt forks that it was covered easily and everyone
didn't care, but I was. The point of the story
was that at the end of the night, everyone went home,
and it was of course very short because we all

(07:46):
got exhausted immediately. Point being well, when everyone went home
and I laid down to watch my British procedurals and
go to sleep on couch, I was filled with what
can only be described was as like an effervescent feeling

(08:07):
that I haven't had in a year and a half
or since I've been around more than two dogs, or
like one other person before it was the weird It
was the weirdest thing where I finally got the sense
of how empty my tank is in terms of just
like actually being a human being. Because I lay down,

(08:29):
I was like, I felt like it had been my
birthday party and it literally was like four of us
eating Chinese food and that's it. It was not that
big of a deal at all. And I was like
kind of giggly and like, and then I just went,
holy fun.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
This is what it's a holy but not everyone's social life.
I feel like we can reassess what we want it
to look like, how we want to like arrive and
present ourselves.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, but it's the I didn't understand. I think we've
all been coping, and I think the coping meeting, the
second vaccination, we're now transitioning out of coping and into
trying to start over, and that in between phase is
very odd and painful and problematic. Probably it's going to

(09:22):
create issues. And it's also it's like you can't cope
and acknowledge how like not great it is, you know
what I mean? You just have to get through it
and like not think about it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
So the fact the first, you know, the first one
was just like, oh my god, it was like it
was so exciting for something very standard of just like
eating eating some food and chit chatting.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
For revelation is a big one though. I feel like
the four out before the quarantine's over, where.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did they go? I had like this house. It's not
like you know when you used to I would. I
definitely did this all the time, where I'd be running
late and throw some things together to bring in the car.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I've seen you in the offices with silverware. I thought
you were just posh showing off.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I like to show off spoons. Look this is mine.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I say to people would to eat yogurt off of plastic.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's bad for the environment.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
First of all, these are forks, so that like I
don't take dinner anywhere. Like the whole idea of it
is so odd, and I just can't imagine where they
are vulnerable they went.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's vulnerably for you to admit it. I just keep
buying more really strong and soups. I hate little spoons
and little fork so I just keep you can't buy
lart whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Let's talk about. This is called cutlery corner.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Cutlery corner, remember remember we used to watch, Oh remember
the Knife Show.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
The show this is early days, this is another Vince.
Vince is great at like Stone or TV.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yes, really good at it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And so the Knife Show, which was just a qv
SE like off brand QVC knives, all kinds of knives,
knives not like dinner knives, but like knives sets, but
Bowie Knight, Bowie Bowie knives, David Bowie knife, David Bowie knives. Yeah,
sort swords and just anything your little heart desires. And

(11:20):
then the hosts were just like precious, they.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Were amazing, and it was always when we were back
in the hotel room after live shows.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Kay, Karen, if you've seen this episode of Forensic Files,
turn on channel whatever the texting between rooms. Then there
was one where we're like, turn on the TV. Paul
Hols is on an old episode of like Dateline.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Remember yep, Yeah, where he was repping nineteen ninety three forensics.
That's when he was just like, guys, I'm telling you
the new thing is gonna be.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, please don't spit at the crime scene anymore. When
you're cleaning up the scene. It really fucks things up. Okay, yeah, please,
it's really important. Yeah, yeah, that's just my that's my.
The end of quarantine adjustment period, I think is people

(12:10):
need to really give.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Themselves some room. No big moves. There's gonna be big feelings.
Try to surf right through those, you know, take a walk,
go outside, that's helpful. Beautiful out there, man, springtime.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Can I tell you.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Speaking an't going for walks. We've been like trying to
find outdoor things to do with my nephews, you know,
because they don't like to eat masks. Or I say
that because my sister had kept yelling at five year
old Joe, stop eating your mask. He likes to suck
it into his mouth and chew on it. Joe, Joe, baby,
so eating your mouth and then little lose too young

(12:49):
to wear one, you know. So we went to train
Town in Griffith Park, which is just this lovely little
They have old trains that you can walk in and
see what they're like and stuff, and kids love trains.
So my nephew's ten there was there and he's kind
of my guy's kind of you know over it. He's
a big kid now, he likes any kid. Yeah, so
he kept saying, Georgia, are you gonna get recognized? Auntie, Georgia,

(13:11):
are you going to get recognized? And I was like,
if someone doesn't fucking walk up to me with my
favorite murder shirt on right now and hug me, he's
going to be so disappointed in me. I almost wanted
to pay someone. But then when we left, we were
in the parking lot and someonet, this lovely lady did
and I was like, well, you go find my nephew
and tell him that you know who I.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
That's it. And then I text him because now he's
a texter.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh that's Nora's a text too. I get to text
here anytimes.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Who gave you a phone?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Kid? She got it for Christmas. She got to get
a phone because everybody else.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Was just a teenageer those so I feel like that's okay,
yeah she is not.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But does he not have a phone He gets to
text on his parents' phone.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
No, he has his own phone now. And I offered
him my like old laptop to play games and stuff
and they were like, no, he's fine. He has a
gaming laptop, like he's a gamer now and they're like, oh,
we're good. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
See that's the thing. LA like La ten is norkel
fourteen La. I always said this. Growing up, there were
kids whose parents would get divorced, the dad would move
to LA and then this summer that kid would go
down to LA and when they came back, they were
literally like two years ahead of everybody else.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, so I'm going to donate it. There's like a
really good program where you can donate old electronics, not old,
you know electronics too, to schools that are in need
of those things.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So, oh good.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that. But Micah, don't fucking need
my shit.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, should we do exactly right.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Corner, Yeah we get Let's make some announcements.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, we got some good ones. Guys. This is a
huge one that's been in the works for a long time.
We are so honored and excited to bring these two
brilliant young women to your life because everyone needs to
know them and love them the way we do.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
And full credit Georgia. Georgia is the one who discovered
these guys. Their podcast existed beforehand. She was a fan,
and then she said, I think these guys would be
perfect to be on the network and bring a completely new.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Genre the network, which is these are going to be
your best friends, guys. The true beauty Brooklyn podcast hosted
by estheticians and just badass entrepreneurs Alex Shapiro and Elizabeth Taylor.
Yes that Elizabeth Taylor are coming at you this Friday,
April thirtieth.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
We are so freaking stoked.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So they're bringing the vibe of their Brooklyn Beauty Studio
to life. So of course they're giving everybody. They're answering
your questions about the science behind healthy and beautiful skin
and things like eyebrows shaping and all this stuff that
you want to know, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
But they're also inviting friends and guests who are experts
who identify as women, and they're members of the LGBTQ
plus community and other groups that have been historically marginalized.
They're sharing not just their tips and tricks, but their
live's journey with us.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And it's basically beauty school for all.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
So you can hear the trailer of True Beauty Brooklyn.
It's not the easiest thing to say fast, but you
can hear their trailer at the end of this episode.
And then their network premiere is tomorrow, Friday, April thirtieth
on the Exactly Right podcast network.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's exactly right and every Friday, there's going to be
a new episode. So what's really cool too is that
their back catalog of soon. They've done this for a
long time, so you can go back and listen to
all those episodes as well. So I will say this
again and I will always say this, rate review, subscribe
to your favorite podcasts.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
That is that is the bread and butter of how
you get visibility.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Go ahead, and it's I would say I would order that.
I know that's the way people have memorized to say it,
but I would say subscribe, absolutely great. Those are the
two important ones because that's how you let people know
I love this podcast and I'm listening to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
And then the reviews, just to cherry on top, it
definitely does count, which is you know, important.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
So please any.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Podcast you'd love is it's really important to do those
things for them, and you.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Know, and welcome True Beauty Brooklyn. We're so happy to
have you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yes, welcome ladies, Alex and Elizabeth, We're so happy to
have you on board.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And speaking of people that we are working with these days,
of course everyone knows. Everyone heard our big announcement that
we are now in partnership with Nick Terry who makes
those amazing MFM animated cartoons animations for us and we
love them dearly. Everyone has uh love Tim so much

(18:00):
and now he's actually working with us. So go to
the YouTube page where you can watch all of the
Nick Terry videos and now hot on the heels of
that partnership, there is merch.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's right, So go watch all of the incredible there's
like twenty something videos at YouTube dot com slash exactly
right media again please subscribe, But then go to my
favorite murder dot com for your t shirts, mugs, and
koozies with the infamous Cocaine Bear and Mothman characters on it.
And there's also new designs with the full cast members

(18:37):
that have ever been in his videos. And they are
so to be like, oh my god, that's even us.
We're like, oh my god, that's so and so, that's so,
that's his character, that's that character. And there's a really
cute one of the two of us that it's just
Mothman and Skeleton Girl. We'll call it. That's really great.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Two more things this podcast will kill you.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
They're doing COVID nineteen Frontline Workers and I said no
gifts has Jimmy Frickin Kimmel on It and Bridger and
Jimmy you've known each other for a long time, so
it's a great episode.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah. Okay, one more piece of business, so I know
we're businessing you out, but this one's a big one.
We're very excited because, as we announced, our second book
will be coming out, which we're very excited about, and
our publisher, Forged Books, they are doing a give of

(19:30):
giveaway for our listeners. It's a sweepstakes actually, so it's
SSDGM swag. Two lucky winners will receive ultrarere and ultrarare
SSDGM lunchbox, a brand new copy of our paperback which
is available May eleventh, and other cool merchy stuff inside

(19:53):
of that.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
It's very cool.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So enter your chance to win and see rules and regulations.
We legally have to say this go to Yes, we do,
go to bit dot lee so b t dot l
y slash SSDGM prize pack. I know that's a long one.
We'll put it on the website. You can find all
the links in our social media as well, and we'll
announce the winners here in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, so if you want a lunchbox. If you want
one of the two lunchboxes, then get on there and
try to get it.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That reminds me of the nineties when there was a
drug dealer girl who used to carry a lunchbox around
at all the comedy shows and really and sell out
of for lunch box. That's so entrepreneur entrepreneur and hip.
But that's definitely a thing. The lunchboxes back in the nineties.
One of those going to come back right now? Right?

(20:44):
Did you hear the announcement or you're going to come
a joint back? No our speed stay?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh right?

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, carry a lunchbox. So they're fucking mugs
our faces on it.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Oh I wish there was a thermis in there, man,
a matching thermos.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Too late.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'm on a podcast that I'd like to plug this
week called in Recovery and it's hosted by doctor Harrison
and she is just she fixed me in an hour
on a zoom call. If you can fuck them, believe it.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
She was so good.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I really opened up to her and I am really
proud of how it turned out and so great. Review
and subscribe to that podcast. It's on Lemonada Media. It's
it's a great podcast and it's really helpful for people.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And support Lemonada Media because that's a all women run
podcast network, right and they're doing great stuff over there. Ye,
ladies to the front, Ladies to that bright Kathy Hannah,
Kathleen Hannah. Should we go in this is a quilt episode?
Should we go into our intros?

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Quilt it up?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Maybe? Come on? Am I first?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Even yep, you're first this week? Okay, what you got?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
So this is guy. It's just it's like one more
big announcement. This my story this week is from if
you heard this episode, it is in the twenty maybe
six hours that it was posted in twenty nineteen before
we had to pull it right back down for legal issues.

(22:09):
It's the infamous lost Glasgow episode. And yeah, we had
to pull it down for legal issues. But turns out
my story was in the clear. So we're going to
share the half that we can share with you this week.
So this is us.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I mean, it feels like it was only yesterday we
were we were escaping the UK without kind of prison.
So this is the Glasgow twenty nineteen show.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
And so here's my story of me covering the Beast
of Birkinshaw.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
I'm going to do the Beast of Birkenshaw Peter Man.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
WHOA, but man, I don't like this story.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
Man, you don't like it, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I try to find the ones that are like kind
of weird and kind of interesting that I can go
off and then make a ton of jokes out. This
guy's not funny at all, but amazing and uh yeah.
It's also like those stories that come from like this
starts in the fifties and just it's like the dark

(23:14):
ages of police and detective work. It's just like there
was nothing anyone had. They had to find, like a
knife in a hand to get like actual hard evidence.
So there's so many situations in this story where they're like,
but there's no evidence, so they couldn't do it, Or
they like put.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Their cigarette out on the evidence on accident. Yea, they
were smoking while investigating.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
Well they were.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
They were calling in photographers from the newspapers to come
and stand on evidence real quick before they picked up
the evidence.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
It was a different time, Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
So I got a lot of information on a website
called old Glasgow Murders dot blogspot dot com.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Perfect that's why I.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Allow so hard of yours?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I was like, how many Glasgow murder blog spots are there?

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Then I remember how big the internet is.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I also watched a series on Daily Motion called serial Killers,
and this one is specifically about the Beast of Birkenshaw
and an article on a website called Radio Times that
was written by Eleanor Blay Griffiths. Okay, so we start
on July thirtieth, nineteen fifty five. That night, around eleven pm,
twenty nine year old Mary McLaughlin is walking home from

(24:27):
a dance when a man jumps out of the bushes,
covers her mouth, holds a knife to her throat, and
tells her not to speak.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
So everyone's worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
He makes her climb over a fence so that they're
in a secluded field, and there he spends the next
hour alternately groping and kissing her and then threatening to
cut off her head. When he finally stops, he apologizes
to Mary, explains that he's just upset and that her
red hair reminded him of someone and made him want

(24:57):
to kill. Oh oh, you're upset them by all means,
what the fuck take someone with a knife, You fucking
psychotic baby. Okay. So he then asks Mary if she'd
like a cigarette and offers to walk her home, you know,
to protect her from all the other fucking rapists that.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Are out there.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Then he mentions to her that he thinks they ride
the same bus.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So Mary reports the attack to the police, and with
her help, they're able to identify her attacker as twenty
eight year old repeat offender Peter Manuel.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
All right, yeah, from the office, what's his name, Jim from.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
The office American American Office. John Krasinsky babies a gentleman, not.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Trying to be a fucking movie hero.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
John Krasinski went on like a note car diet and
now he's lost his mind. I think it looks almost
exactly like Robert de Niro.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
Oh yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
There's actually I was looking at this picture like Jay
sent me a bunch of options for the pictures, and
I picked this one, and then later on I found
one where it looks exactly like Robert Danira. So that guy,
Peter Manuel. He was born originally in New York City,
so this one's on us, but to Scottish parents. And

(26:32):
in nineteen twenty seven his family moves back to Scotland
in nineteen thirty two, when he's five years old, they
moved down to Coventry and that's where Peter really gets
serious about being a shitty little criminal.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
So he's a very smart child.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
He earns himself a spot in a good grammar school,
and then he gets caught breaking into a house in
grammar school. Grammar school, this is I think.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Under the age of ten, I believe.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So he gets kicked out of the good grammar school
and he has to go to what's called an approved school,
which is basically like a boarding school juvie, essentially delinquent
boarding school. So he stays there for a while, runs
away from that one. Apparently he overs lifetime got a
reputation as a big breakout artist, so he runs away

(27:22):
from that school. He gets caught, of course, then he
has to just go to a different boarding school for
bad children. When in nineteen forty one he's fourteen again,
he gets caught breaking.

Speaker 6 (27:33):
Into a house down the street from his new school.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
But now his crimes have begun to escalate from just
playing petty crimes to Jesus fucking Christ, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (27:44):
They always seem to do that?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, they do, but this guy's doing it in like
his early teens, which is crazy. So apparently he breaks
into this house and then, according to the report quote,
the lady of the house saw him coming from her
bedroom with an axe in his hand and as a result,
she had a nervous breakdown.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yeah, horrifying.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, it's a murdered child in my house.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, So, within the year, Peter's charged with three more
cases of breaking and entering, end of robbery, and during
one of those robberies, he decides he comes upon a
woman sleeping in her bed. It's her house, so he
starts beating over her over the head with a hammer.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, and it leaves her with a concussion and brain hemorrhage,
but she survives.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
So yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
So when he's fifteen's not even a freshman yet, he
assaults the wife of one of the school's staff members.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
He doesn't give a.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Fuck, so he knocks that woman out with a stick.
He strips her, he drags her into the woods. He
attempts to rape her, but he's caught in the act,
but she and he hurts her badly enough that she
has to get stitches.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
But other than that she's okay.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
He's charged with indecent assault and pleads guilty to robbery
with violence.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Okay. So it's nineteen forty three.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Now he's sixteen, and he lands himself in Borstal and
which is basically it's a jew of you.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Down there go kind of famous one.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
And he serves two years there and the staff that
works there describes him as a slippery customer.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Perfect. Oh yeah, the little kid with the axe. He's
a slippery customer.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You better watch out.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
So when his two years are up at Borstal, he's eighteen,
so he moves back in with his parents, who now
live in Birkenshaw and not kind just outside Glasgow. So
it takes him about less than three years to get
himself back in prison. In March nineteen forty he's arrested
for the rape and another breaking for rape sorry, and
another breaking entering.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Charge, but he gets eight years this time.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
In October of nineteen fifty two, he's released gets a
job with British Railways for two and a half years.
Then the company finds out about his insane past and
they fire him. So around nineteen fifty four nineteen fifty five,
he meets a redheaded woman named Anna O'Hare and they
fall in love. They plan to get married in July

(30:31):
of nineteen fifty five, but then Anna finds out about
Peter's criminal history and she breaks it off. That night,
July thirtieth, nineteen fifty five, and enraged, Peter assaults Mary McLaughlin. Okay,
so he is arrested and tried for the assault of
Mary McLaughlin, and the evidence against him is damning a

(30:53):
knife with his fingerprints, marys blood on his shirt, Mary's
account of what happened that night. Then no, He insists
upon acting as his own defense, as they always do,
those psychopaths, They fucking love it. They're the smartest people
on the planet. They know everything. He tells the court
that he and Mary had actually been seeing each other

(31:15):
and that they were having a fight on the evening
of July thirtieth. He says he did hit her in
the mouth, which explains the blood on the shirt, but
that Mary made everything else up because she's jealous and
she's out for revenge. The jury declares no verdict due
to lack of evidence, and Peter Manuel walks free. Back

(31:37):
The bat Old Times. Everybody The bat Old Times it's
just twelve dudes on that jury going. Oh man, I
know some jealous bitches.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Let him go.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Let him go. The court reporters like shaking her head.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
You motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He've done it again. I can't wait for twenty nineteen.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
So Peter Manuel's already known around town as an Argont asshole,
but now he believes himself to be untouchable because he
basically got himself off in this case that Mary McLaughlin
was trying to get him prosecuted for. So on January second,
nineteen fifty six, that evening, seventeen year old Ann Nielan's

(32:23):
is getting ready for a local dance at her friend's house.
So Anne's dad wouldn't let her wear makeup, so she
walked under her friend's house so she could get ready there.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
And she gets ready for this dance.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Her friends are taking too long, so she decides to
leave and go by herself.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
That's the last time those friends saw her alive.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So she walks into the village of Blanter alone. Was
it high Blanter? And is Blanter incorrectly pronounced? It's been
great talking to you all.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
A sent just it's an audience laughing at you.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So hard at you, but you.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Don't know why.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Usually you have so much control over why they're laughing. Anyway,
I honestly think that when I was writing a high
blanter into the tire, tire and tire. Yeah but okay,
from the from the documentary I was watching, that's how
they pronounced it, and I wrote it out phonetically and

(33:36):
like correctly phonetically where bland is at all caps, like
it's in the dictionary. Okay, but I guess you know
better than a documentary.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
So the reason Anne's excited to go to this dance
is because she has a date that's going to meet
her there, and but when she gets there, he stood
her up right, So but she still stays at the
dance till after midnight, and then once again she walks
home alone. So she thinks she's alone, but actually she's
being followed. And then she realizes there is a man

(34:13):
following her, and she starts to run and he chases her.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
Oh uh huh. He catches her.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
He drags her onto the East Kilbride golf course, where
he rapes her and then brutally beats her to death
with a blunt object terribly her. He caved her skull in,
but he also beat her in the face. So it's
when the police actually, you know, when they found the body.
It was that kind of thing where it's like there
were very very few murders back then in Scotland. I

(34:41):
think it in the documentary they said they had like
seven or eight a year.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
So these guys are traumatized. Yeah and yeah, and it's
just really extreme. Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So the problem was also Anne's parents thought she was
spending the night at her friend's house, so they didn't
call the police to report her missing until January a fourth,
which is the same day that her body is discovered
on the golf course. Okay, here's this is the picture
of Anne, and then here the police searching the area

(35:15):
where near where her body was found, because there was
the golf course. But then the gas company, you know
it was at the time back then it was all
these beautiful farms, but they were putting in all these housing,
a bunch of housing. So the so the gas company
was putting in gas lines and there was actually a
big workstation right next to this golf course that had

(35:36):
all the I'm calling it the gas company because that's
what we call it in California. I think I have
it written correctly and here somewhere, But basically, there was
a whole work site with all the equipment and stuff
for the digging for them to lay the gas lines.
So when reporters arrive at this murder scene, there's a
worker from this near by construction site. They're telling them

(35:58):
that actually a pair of boots and a pick axe
had been stolen a couple of days before from that
work site. And there's a newspaper photographer that overhears this
conversation of him telling them that, so he walks over
to take a picture of the guy because he's like, oh,
this sounds like it might be a lead and there's
something here, so I'm going to get a picture this guy.

(36:19):
And the guy immediately charged it goes absolutely no pictures
and does like this whole freak out. The guy in
the documentary is like, well, so then I had to
take his picture, and it's Peter Manuel.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Yeah, So he's basically.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Setting up an alibi of like, oh my boots and
pickaxe were stolen from this.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Oh my god, he works for the company. Yes, he's
working on that.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Site that exact site. So of course the police put
that all together and they already know that he's like
this multiple offender, and they also noticed that he's got
some scratches on his face, so he goes right to
the top of the suspect list. But Peter's father provides

(37:02):
an alibi for him, saying that he was with him
on the night of the murder, and Peter explains.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
The scratches away by saying that he got into.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
A street fight here in Glasgow, and the police were like,
that's impossible. No one fights in the street, especially after
they've been drinking. I saw some fucked up shit when
I laved here. I saw of girls fighting with huge
hoop earrings on. I was like, this is not safe.
What are you guys doing? But it was Saturday night,

(37:30):
all right.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
I hope you all do the same tonight.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So without any solid evidence putting him at the scene,
and with the solid alibi that his dad provides, the
police have no choice but to move down the list
of suspects and no one gets arrested for Anne's murderer, okay, so.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
They do.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
When they do talk to the guy that stood her
up at the dance, he had had a really bad
hangover and all of his family and friends were like, man,
it's it's the truth.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
That's why, which I'm sure that God feels. Yeah, oh
so terrible, okay.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
So September seventeenth, nineteen fifty six, this is nine months later.
Marian Watt is at home with her sixteen year old daughter,
Vivian and her own sister, Margaret Brown. Vivian is spent
the day window shopping around Glasgow with her friend who
lives next door, then she came home. Then they basically
just all went to bed. It was just a pretty

(38:24):
standard night. Vivian's father, William Watt, is away on a.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Fishing trip, so here's Vivian.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
So in the middle of the night, an intruder breaks
into the Watts home and shoots all three women in
the head.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
So missus Watt and her sister had been both sleeping
in the master bedroom together in the same bed, so
their murders were almost simultaneous. But Vivian's room is found
completely torn apart, her pajama bottoms are ripped, her body
is severely beaten, and even though she was shot in head,
she was still alive.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
When her attacker left. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
And she actually the next morning their maid came and
couldn't get into the house. And normally the door was
open and the family was up and doing stuff. She
couldn't get into the house. She goes to the next
door neighbor. They basically call a mailman over, and the
mailman sees that somebody has actually broken into the glass
on the side of the door, so he reaches in
and unlocks the door, and then they all find this

(39:27):
horrible massacre, a massacre of a whole family. So the police, Oh,
here's the police searching there the home. That's the Watts home.
And doesn't that look like it's from like World War One?
It's so it's the fifties. Yeah, it was like, oh, here,

(39:47):
one thousand years ago. This is how police used to
look for evidence. Is that a metal detector. That's a
metal detector. It's a metal detector right there, and it's
Winston Churchill using it.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
And it's so nice. He used to help everybody, the
original detector.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Okay, So immediately they arrest the father that was away
on the fishing trip, William Watt. Yes, because they put
it together. He was one hundred and eighty miles away.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
And oh, yeah, you guys don't do miles.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, oh, oh, kilometeris or whatever, it doesn't matter, whatever
it is.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
He's one hundred and eighty of them away. It's about it.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
He's about two and a half hours away, okay. And
they the police actually basically time it out and say
he absolutely from the last time an eyewitness saw him
at the Caravan hotel, which is where he was staying
for a fishing trip. The last eyewitness. They basically timed
it out, and they're like, he has to could have
driven back home, killed his whole family, and then driven

(41:03):
back and then been there in time for the next.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Eyewitness who says, they's on. I don't think it's him.
It is not.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I'll just look spoiler alert, this is going to be
over pretty soon anyway.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's not this guy, and the crazy thing is but
they arrest him and he's immediately in jail, even though
there was a hotel worker who said they that she
saw him cleaning frost off his windshield the next morning
and wind screen and.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
But how could it be a screen.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
And it wouldn't have been frosted, that's right, because the
car would have been in use it was, and there's
all these things where they they tried to pin on him.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
And so they go and they interview.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
All the gas station attendants along the road and they're
all like, and I've never seen.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
That guy before.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So then they appeal to the public and they're like,
has anybody seen this guy? So of course somebody's like, yeah,
I saw him. He was a fair guy that ran
a faerries Like, I totally saw that guy as a dog,
and then he starts giving the cops all this information,
are like, we got it. Then they realize, oh, everything
this guy's telling us has been in the newspaper, so
none of this is real. So then they make another

(42:11):
appeal has anybody seen this? So then another guy comes forward,
and this is basically them trying to go just can
it just be this guy and we can leave him
in jail.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Someone say they saw him, please yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
The second eyewitness eventually admitted he never really saw the
driver's face and kind of wasn't telling the truth. Okay,
this is the most nuts part. So this is where,
because William Watt's been arrested, Peter Manuel goes from cocky
to fucking completely insane and contacts.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
The police about the Watts family murders. No, yeah, he
gets involved.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
So here's this whole thing is a quote from the
old Glasgow Murders dot blogspot dot com website. Please visit there.
It's beautifully it's a great website. It was so comprehensive.
God blessed websites like that. At four o'clock the day
of a show, okay, Manuel wrote to the police claiming

(43:06):
that he knew who had committed the murder. He had
also contacted several newspapers claimed to have insider knowledge.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
Of the crime.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
He even arranged to have a meal with William Watt
and his lawyer at Glasgow's Whitehall restaurant to discuss the case.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
A husband no, yes, oh.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, yes, it had to be him, Yeah, maybe it.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Was before he was yeah, or maybe it's just a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
You know, you can't trust these blogs.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Just immediately shut him.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Well, basically he got he basically had a meeting with
William Watt.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
He inserts himself. He entirely inserts himself.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
He claims that a criminal associate who was conveniently unable
he was inconveniently unable to name, was responsible for the crime.
While simultaneously providing an impressively deep tailed description of the
Watt home, a description which he claimed had been passed
on to him by the perpetrator. In one piece of
bizarre behavior, during one of these meetings with Watt, Manuel

(44:08):
produced a photograph of his first murder victim. What I'm
so sorry, I want to know Anne Nyland's and asked
if Wat knew her, before ripping the photograph to pieces.
So now he's just in there doing some fucking crazy
shit because he thinks.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
He's smarter than everybody.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, So the cops in Glasgow are tearing their hair out.
They know this guy has something to do with it, obviously,
but there's never any evidence, so they just they have
to use the evidence that comes up and put somebody
in jail because people keep getting murdered.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
So a year after the Watts family massacre, on December
twenty eighth, nineteen fifty seven, a seventeen year old girl
named Isabelle Cook is walking from her Mount Vernon Holme
to a school dance when she disappears.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
I mean, talk about.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
An Oh, it's the teenage girls going to and coming
from dances, so obviously it's like creeping out, like watching
them and stopping them as they go. Totally. So she disappears,
authorities conduct a massive search for her. She's not found,
and of course the first suspect on everyone's mind is

(45:22):
Peter Manuel, but again no hard evidence, and now he
Peter believes he cannot be caught. But he's very wrong.
So but unfortunately this doesn't get it. It's one of
those things where you're just like, if only, like, if
only that's when they found this dace, or if only

(45:43):
they didn't insist it was William Watt and looked into
it further totally because in the early morning of New
Year's Day nineteen fifty eight, Peter and Doris Smart and
their ten year old son Michael are all shot dead
in their Uttington home.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Is it a it is? Thank you? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
She wants us to feel better about ourselves.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
You can do it, girls, Okay.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
Okay, this is just this is just terrible. This family
is just murdered. He's such a fucking ass. He's a
real piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And after this crime he lives in their house for
a week, so beyond like psychopath, right, So he's he
hangs out, He eats their food, he drives their car,
he feeds their.

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Cats, which is just creepy.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
At one point, he gives a policeman a ride to
go search for Isabelle.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Cook in their car. In there, this family's.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Family's car takes to go to the yeah to go
look for her his previous victim.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
This guy's just like, doesn't give a fuck. He's the devil.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Okay, But a week after the Smart family murders, Peter
Manuel goes to a pub and uses what it what
looks like brand new money to pay for his drinks,
and the bartender, who is the smartest motherfucker in the world,
is like, this guy shouldn't have this much money, and

(47:24):
why is it brand new? So he calls the cops
and he's like, here's the serial numbers, here's this money.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I feel like people are never encouraged enough to just
be this involved. You don't have to like go to
the mat or whatever, but just if you if you
go like that's weird, Hey, policeman, do you think this
is weird?

Speaker 6 (47:44):
Do you want to run this through some machines or something. So,
of course, when they checked with the bank. Of course
I lost my goddamn spot.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Fucking bartenders man, like god, yeah, let's say on it,
and no one realizes they're the only person who's not
shitfaceding the bar paying attention, or they're really good at.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Being shipping right, Okay, So oh I just need to
turn the page. Okay, So the bank they go, They
take the money to the bank, and the money is
traced back to Peter Smart, who had withdrawn a bunch of.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Cash for the holiday.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Because remember that when you had to get money, and
like in planning ahead, you had to get all your
money at once. Yeah, it's a long time ago, but
before there were eight tms, you just had to stand
in the bank with your mom and wait for her
to take like eight hundred dollars in cash out and
then just roll the dice on the streets of Pedluma.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
This is a personal story anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Anyhow, those dangerous streets of Pedaluma.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh, we had to fight our way to the car
this parked right outside. Anyway, Finally authorities have the hard
evidence they need to connect Peter Manual with one of
the series of the murders that were terrorizing Glasgow.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
So finally, on January fourteenth and nineteen fifty eight. People
are not people. Police arrests.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Were almost there Peter Manuel at his parents' home in
Birkenshaw for the triple murders of this Smart family. Here's
a smugshot, dick. Okay, yeah, really, no more, No, I
don't want to go okay. So at first he denies
killing the Smart family, but when police arrest his father

(49:25):
on a lesser charge, he caves and confesses to all
eight murders, including the murder of Isabel Cook, the girl
who is missing. He tells police that he had again Samemo, stalked, raped,
and beaten her to death, and then he led them
to where he buried her her body. So his trial
begins May of nineteen fifty eight, and even though he's

(49:47):
already confessed to the murders, he enters a plea of
not guilty and once again represents himself in court.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
God, yeah, go ahead, ding dong. He's like, no, I
I just called a serial killer, a big don I'm
aware of that.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, that's how we take the power back in these
little ways here and there. He is a fucking ding dong.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
I'm sorry, I'm hopped up on hula hoops.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Coffee, hula hoops and a can of wine is what
I had for Wait a second.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
And I am sorry because we're almost done.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
But what.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Your instant coffee is horrible? Why didn't anybody write us
a quick note to say, do not, under any circumstances
say yes to instant coffee?

Speaker 6 (50:49):
I had it on the train. I thought that guy
hated my guts. He was likerank.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
That's got to be a Manchester's fault, right, thanks, Like
we were coming, the train was coming from there.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
They block it at the border.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
They're just like no, no, no, no, man, it's rough
to put a little screen in there to filter out
the granules.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
I just drank them. That's why I'm going real good. Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
So he's representing himself in court like a goddamn superstar.
So he tells the court that it was ten year
old Peter Smart who killed his parents before killing himself.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Oh my god, disgusting. He also claims he and.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
The boy were friends and that's why he had a
key to their house, is that he didn't steal it
after killing them. It was this son made friends with
a thirty eight year old scumbag.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So although the judge does at the end of the
trial say that Peter Manuals defended himself with a skill
that is quite remarkable.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
You don't need to compliment the dude. Well that's how
good he was.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
The judge's like, look, I hate you and I have
to say that was pretty impressive.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
But the jury is.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Like, uh uh, they're having none, so they find him
guilty on all charges. He doesn't get charged for the
murder of Anne Neelan's because there is no evidence connecting
him to her murderer. Sadly, but it doesn't matter because
he's still sentenced to death by hanging.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
And William Watt is immediately released from jail and completely
exonerated for the murders of his family Jesus, which can
you imagine.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
It's like they've been treating him like a criminal. It's like, oh, no,
his family was murdered.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, yeah, horrible.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Did they have lawsuits back then?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I hope so. Okay, So here's a great hometown email
that we got about this. Hi, Karen and Georgia. I'm
a big fan. I can't wait for you to play London.
I want to tell you about my family's local murders
and close calls. I live in London, but originally I'm
from a small town in Scotland.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Called Cotebridge, thank God.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And in the fifties my grand worked in a factory
in Glasgow and had to get the bus back by herself,
often late at night. One night she was coming home
and another man got off at the same stop.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
I'll just remember you, remember, he told Mary.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I think we ride the same book.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Okay, did I just say I'll just remember you. I
wasn't gonna say anything.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I thought it would be a dick moved to be like,
you got that wrong, No, it's not.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
I'll just remember you.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
This is where the jet lag really started to hit good,
like a drug drop that beat.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
So one night she was coming home and another man
got off on the same stop.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
He began chatting to.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Her, asking her where she lived, and said something along
the lines of it's not safe for a young woman
such as yourself to be walking alone at night.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
M creep.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
My grand was always a smart woman, and since something
was off, so she told him not to worry and
that her husband was meeting.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Her halfway to walk her back. My genius He.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Seemed happy with this and continued making general small talk
for the next ten minutes or so, until he turned
around and said, you're a fucking liar in the fifties.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
Can you imagine your blood would run?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, it's like, oh, but you were so nice one
second ago. Now you have shark guys. My gran asked
him what he was talking about. He said, well, we're
well passed halfway to your house. No one's coming to
get you. It's just you and me out here. My
grand freaked the fuck out. She started screaming like fuck

(54:51):
and didn't stop. Lights started going on in the houses
around her.

Speaker 6 (54:54):
And the man ran off into the night, thank god.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Years later, the news reported on a man who was
captured on suspicion of murder, and as soon as they'd
shown his mug shot, my grand instantly went, that's him,
that's the man from the bus. It was Peter Manuel,
a serial killer who committed at least seven murders, including
two entire families. As more and more details of his

(55:23):
crimes came out, it was revealed he successfully defended himself
from a rape charge in near identical circumstances to the
one my grand found herself in and then he goes
on to tell a very quick story about how this
same grandma also warned his mother against ever going to
this one ice cream man, and that ice cream man
turned out to be Fred.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
West Grandma, Grandma to your fucking grandma.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Ki can ask all day long.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
Anyways, hope you enjoyed this.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Can't wait to see you in the UK as a stud.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
M Brendan.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Amazing, so good so and just to wrap it up
on a positive note. On July eleventh, nineteen fifty eight,
serial killer Peter Manuel is hanged on the gallows in
Barlini Prison. In his final words were turn up.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
The radio and I'll go quietly.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And that is the huge bummer story of the Beast
of Birkenshaw Peter Manuel.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
Oo.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Wow, that was Intense't that awful?

Speaker 6 (56:33):
And insane? Great job, thank you, very fucking intense. So
I mean whole family. Yeahes horrible, heartbreaking, horrifine.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Ooh ooh ooh, heavy hitter and great, great story told
beautifully in glass.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Thank oh.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Cook and Cookie loved it. Cookie approves.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
She was like, yay, love this, I loved it. That
was awesome, thank you. I don't remember it. I don't
remember anything. I just remembered the amazing accents that everyone has.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And we had an amazing time. We found that audio.
The audience was the greatest, they were, we had.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
It was a great show.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
It was it really was.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Okay my story.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I never thought I'd do this, but look here we
are in Seattle. I think we have a lot of
shows in the like when we do Seattle or you know,
Chicago or whatever, we have like four shows in a row,
and so we have to find a different story for
every night, and it's like fuck, you know, scrambling to
find the best ones. And so of course I was like, well,
who other than dB Cooper represents this city? So in

(57:47):
the Pacific Northwest, man, it's just ripe with stories. So
this is me in Seattle of October twenty eighteen, covering
none other than dB Cooper. Man, all right, hey you guys.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
On an afternoon a day before Thanksgiving in nineteen seventy one,
a guy calling himself Dan Cooper you boarded a Northwest
Airlines flight three oh five in Portland bound for Seattle.
That's right. He was wearing a dark suit and a
black tie and described as a business executive type he's

(58:24):
a fucking picture on Don Draper, all right, which is okay.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
In the air, he opens his briefcase, shows a bomb
to the flight attendant and hijacks that motherfucking plane.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Yeah, the plane lands in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
He demands two hundred thousand dollars in cash over one
million today.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Oh, I love the translation.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
It's a lot of money. It's always two.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Dollars and a million dollars in today's money.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Inflation. Oh my god, what's happening.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
It's money real, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
But the minimum wage has not gone up since yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
It was for real.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Sorry, a minimum wade was six six dollars and twenty
five cents in nineteen seventy one, and it's six dollars
and twenty five cents in today's money.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Let's get those bankers. They're bonuses, right, they deserve them.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
What we're doing, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
It's a late show. You guys knew when you bought tickets.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
We are, Yeah, we're around the fucking Verge. Georgia forgot
her shoes. That's we're there.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
We're there, that's right, and my tissue Jesus Christ, God Pa.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
But Para shotes he asks.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
For when they land in Seattle, A pair of shoes,
for a pair of shoes, A parachute. She said, remember
when I told everyone to vote, and you thought I said, Vogue,
it's like the end.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Of the show, heartfelt message. She's like, and please everybody, Vogue.
And I was just like, girl, you're about fifteen years
later on that message. But okay, yeah, Paris is burning,
Paris is burning, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
They did it first, that's right, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Uh, four parachutes and food for the crew, which is like,
really nice. He ordered them food he got he wanted.
I want to hunt, I said, I want a million
dollars in today's money. I want four parachutes, which I'm
sure the flight atones were like, oh shit, yeah that's
it's more than him. Yeah, that's more than one person.

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Food for the crew, and uh and then he released
all the passengers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
That's not reasonable.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, not a dick so far. Okay, I mean, don't
don't you know, hijack shit? But whatever. Back then it
was quaint.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
It happened a lot back then.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, yeah, people were it was like it was like
the new meme meme me planking, No don't do it.
Steven added that out. So there's three pilots, one flight
attendant left on board. They take off from Seattle with
the marked bills, heading south. It was dark and lightly raining.
Forty five minutes after takeoff, Dan Cooper sent the flight

(01:01:11):
attendant to the cockpit puts on the parachute. I'm sure
he winked at her, because that sounds like the kind
of guy he is. He did it, called a horse over,
got onto it later days, missy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
The three other parachutes were for his horse. I'm so sorry.
I don't know what I'm saying anymore. I do apologize you. No,
that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
He ties the bag full of twenty dollars bills to himself,
lowered the rear stairs, and somewhere north of Portland, fucking
later days.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Sorry, what kind of So it was like some kind
of a military plane where like this, No, it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Was like a passenger plane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
But remember they used to have to get off on
the tarmac and walk, you walk like we do in Burbank.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Right, Yes, so it was like that, but those stairs
get rolled up. Well listen, So sorry, what do you
want from me? Pretend I didn't ask that question. I'll
look it up later on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
There's a hard, strong rule with this podcast that you
and it's never been spoken, and I feel like maybe
tonight's the night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
The night don't ask questions, don't suck a question me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Details, question mark.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
No, no, no, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
No no, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
My mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
No, no, it's great.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Okay, but but but stairs happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
But they have to land the plane with the stairs out,
and they land and everyone's own that doesn't happen, And
then they find two remaining parachutes and a black tie
the seat that he was sitting in, So he like
took one of the parachutes with him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Well, maybe let's ask him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Come on out, Oh my god, son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Horse he comes out on the horse?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Or what did he fucking parachuted it? Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
If anyone's ever parachuted in here, I would be rad
I couldn't don't know. Probably David Lee Roth at some point,
that's totally his style.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Local police and FBI are immediately questioning suspects. An Oregon
man named name an orgy man named D. B.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Cooper existed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
He had a minor police wrecker and he was one
of the first people of interest on the case contacted
on the off chance the hijacker would use his real name,
Like an idiot is what they didn't mean what they
meant to say.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
But he's quickly ruled as a suspect.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
But local, a local reporter isn't mean that, Like I
gotta get my deadline in. I'm gonna I'm going to
say that that's his name. And so his name becomes
d V.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Cooper. That sounds fucking name.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Oh d B. Cooper is another guy in Portland that
just had that name.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, and the original guys like my name is Dan,
but thanks dude, thanks for the cover. Yeah, So DVB.
Cooper becomes the name of legend that you all know
and tolerate. The military is called in a thousand troops
searched the suspected jump zone. They do all these like
bananas tests that were like, we're probably really high tech

(01:04:09):
for the seventies, but we would laugh at if we
saw today.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
What like a like a crate of bananas gives us
goes up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
The airplane guy in a gorilla suit is like pretends
to be a eat a banana. You know, they like
fly over like the ocean, and then they parachute down
to see like what trajectory he would have had and
all this shit, and they like picked this this it
was a Boeing seven twenty seven, and they did all
this crap like that, and so they concluded what time
he jumped and all this bullshit, but they didn't find anything.

(01:04:39):
FBI agents recovered sixty six unidentified latent prints on the plane,
and the agents, I know there's probably a lot of
passengers that might have been Yeah, I think that's how
planes are and identified.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
So maybe they will like the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Couldn't they couldn't rule them out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Yes, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
They are the people who brought the stairs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
They I forgot about those people. Authorities interview Iwinness is
in Portland, Seattle and Reno and all of the FRIGHT
flight crew who are personally interacted with Cooper, and some
sketches are drawn like the one you just saw. And
ultimately the search operation is arguably the most extensive and
intensive in US history and coovered no significant material evidence

(01:05:20):
related to hijacking Dad if.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Smarty, Oh my god, it was my dad. You guys
and you just kind of realize it tonight, Yeah, I
was gonna say, his eyes do look a bit like
you know how when flounder's eyes go over to the side,
they look like they're drifting a tiny bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
What if it was a fish that got turned into
a man. He jumped over the ocean, he landed in
the water, and he brought money back to his flounder
friends who need it. I'm real tired, that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Is, you just pitched a Disney movie from nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Congratulations, everyone's racist, Okay. A month after the hijacking, the
FBI distributed a list of so they give out the
money serial numbers for everyone to keep their you know,
sharp eye on because you know how much everyone loves
staring at money, and they give them money to financial institutions, casinos, racetracks,
other fun places that people like to hang out when

(01:06:19):
they have a ton of money. And let's see. The
FBI investigates over the years, but doesn't catch a break
until nine years later in nineteen eighty, when a young
boy who probably became the coolest fucking kid at school
named Brian Ingram is digging a fire pit in the
sand at a place called Tenna bar Eh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Not a fucking word there wasn't a sound in this place.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I thought, it's not because I got it right either.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I mean, yeah, I think they might be just baffled.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I am right there with them, this fucking cool kid.
He uncovers three bundles of cash a couple inches below
the surface, with rubber bands still intact, and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
There's a total.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
He finds a total of fifty eight hundred dollars, which
in today's money is a million, and FBI. He gives
the money. He's probably a boy scout, so he gives
the money. He tells everyone about it, instead of his family.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Hiding it away like you're saying you would do no FBI.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
They confirmed that the money is from the ransom, so
some of it got lost on the way. Here's some
of that money.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Ooh, money, creepy, look at that money.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I love money.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Oh wait, I have the one after the hut.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
What if I knew all the numbers of my money?

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Wait? Sorry, it looked like that when he found it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah wow, yeah, so uh so he found it. He
found it. They searched and analyzed the beach and the
river was drudged, and they're called Cooper Hunters. They call
themselves guys, this guy to be something better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Give me to think of it. Just give me you've
got this. I'm never gonna do it now. I can
only think about how I'm not thinking of it. Coopertinos Nope,
uh Cooperinos bbs. I like my favorite, my favorite fan

(01:08:24):
name of a you know, obsessed people is Chris Pine,
that actor from Star Trek. His fans call themselves pine nuts. Amazing,
It's the best one of all time. I'm a pine nut.
I admit it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I'm a pine nut.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I didn't care about him to slightly dislike because I
hate pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
People until you told me that, and I was like,
I like that. He's fun, he's down to earth. His
dad was the like lieutenant from Chips.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Oh, okay, don't worry. You're somewhere out there some other
Chrispine's heart is just like warming because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I like him, now, that's right. It means something to
those people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, a body wasn't found, no shit, said everyone. In
nineteen eighty six, after years of negotiations. Okay, so the
family and the FBI and the airliner's insurance company who
had paid the airline this ransom that they had to
give away the kid and the airline are like, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
My money, and they're like, oh, it's my money. Not
it's my money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
And finally they I mean that kid from the beach, Yeah,
it's not his money, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Totally he found it and they already got paid back
for the ransom. Oh oh, don't you think the kid
have the money airlines?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, well, but the money he found was just shitty
green paper with holes in it, So it's true they
would have been like, you can keep that money, you
little fucking asshole to keep all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Well, in the end, the money is divided equally between
the kid and the airlines insure, and the insurers are
it went back to eating the poor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
So you are so political tonight. I'm loving it. Let's
get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
This kid, when he grew up, sold his bills at
auction in two thousand and eight for so he got
half of what he found, which was fifty eight hundred
and then he sold the bills at auction in two
thousand and eight and he got thirty seven thousand dollars
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yes, now I'm on Brian's side, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
But today none of the nine seven hundred and ten
remaining bills have turned up anywhere in the world, which
is creepy and weird. Right, yes, did he die? The
serial numbers are still available though, so check your money everyone,
And it's a huge debate if he died in the
jump or not. Let's talk about the suspect profile. So
they drew that fucking picture of the flounder, and then

(01:10:51):
over a forty five year span of active investigation, the
FBI they, you know, every now and then the Cooper hunters,
the Cooper Tinos, which I'm calling them from now on.
Sometimes he'll be like, well what about this? You know,
I imagine that's how they talk and why I and
that the FBI is like, shut up, truly, so he

(01:11:13):
So they think that the FBI does think that Cooper
appeared to be familiar with the Seattle area because he
maybe recognized it. May have been an Air Force veteran,
based on testimony that he recognized the city of Tacoma from.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
The air, you guys, from the air like a mazer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
As they went around Puget Sound. He was like, Hey,
there's Tacoma.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Toropped me off.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Yeah, And so they and they also theorized that Cooper
took his alias from a popular Belgium comic book series
of the nineteen seventies featuring a fictional hero named Dan Cooper.
How bum was he that he like went to lengths
to like pick the right name. It was a guy
who was a fictional hero. He was a Royal Canadian

(01:11:58):
Air Force test pilot who took part in numerous heroic adventures,
including parachuting.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
And his name was Dan Cooper.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
And the guy's like, my dad Dan Cooper. And they're like, no,
but Stevie Cooper because some fucking newspaper guy was lazy
to fact check a shit like what a bummer? So
you never spent the money?

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Do you excuse me? Do you think that Dan Cooper
h when you picked that name was like giving clues
or something, or like trying to be like puzzly and interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yes, I think he's a roller derby and you just
like wanted a cool name.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
He was just like you know what, Dan Cooper.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
He was like one of those guys. It's like, can
you guys call me Stretch from now on? It's my
new nickname.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
They're like, no, Dale, you can't pick your own nickname.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Noil, it doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Okay, let's see, and in addition to planning his escape perfectly,
he also took back his ransom note and wore dark glasses,
showing that he kind of knew, you know, how to
evade a little bit. So they didn't have the handwriting
sample and all that bullshit. So between nineteen seventy one
and two thousand and six, the FBI processed over a
thousand quote serious suspects, including publicity seekers and deathbed confessors,

(01:13:09):
which is like, those poor people are like, I have nothing,
I'm bb cooper, like, you gotta do something to you
can confess one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Day too serious, just something kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, yeah, but they're all nothing more than circumstantial evidence
could be found to implicate any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
When I'm on my deathbed, you don't know I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
The confess tell me you can't do it now or
it won't come true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Right, Oh, it's all gonna come true. What I'm going
to be laying there and then I'm gonna be like
come closer.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
Like a drug drug. Karen carryers, yea, it's a secret.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I'm in a final secret, final secret. Karen and I go,
I have a pine nut because we're like, we don't
know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
It's so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
She thought she was a nut. Was very sad, disillusion
totally insane.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
One suspect that people thought was it was John List
Remember him, Yes, I do, that fucking psychopath who killed
He's the family annihilator dude from way back when with
the you remember the creepy bust on America's Most Wanted
And then he saw it himself and was like, oh,
that's me. I killed my whole family way back when. Yeah,
and he like later, remember.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
That guy killed his family, laid them out in the ballroom. Huh,
you remember, I don't have to go through.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
The whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Well, he was an accountant and a World War two
and koreem vet and he he did he did all
that killing fifteen days before the Cooper hijack.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Is that true? That's a good theory. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
He withdrew two hundred thousand dollars from his mother's bank
account and disappeared, which she just realizes the exact same.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Amount, that's the exact same amount, and it's a million
dollars in today's right. This cannot be hot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
So he came the attention of the task Force because
of his timing of his disappearance multiple matches to the
hijacker's description, which he did look he'd looked just like
the bust. I didn't put up there because I actually
deleted all this earlier, so I wasn't gonna call there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
You're just kind of stuck in it, and I'm kind
of glad it's here. Yeah, I like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
And also because the reasoning was that quote, a fugitive
accused of mass murder has nothing to lose, That's right.
That's the only way I would jump out of a
fucking plane and personally parachuter.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
No, I mean I daily parachute.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would say best case scenario parachute.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Yeah, at least one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
After his capture in nineteen eighty nine listed minutes of
murdering his family. But because and he said he didn't
do the hijacking in because we fucking trust mass psychotic
bucking murderers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Where that everyone was like, okay, and you didn't know,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
We appreciate it, sir, have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
And you know, et cetera. So there's no evidence that
implicates him, baba, and they don't consider him as suspect.
He's dead.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
The most popular U theory person suspect is this guy
named Robert Robert Wesley wrack Straw. What what a dick?
Say it again, Robert Wesley Reckstraw. That sounds like when
you're this is him?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Oh he looks like like what he's got flounder eyes
if I've ever seen him? Everybody, am I wrong or wrong?
Looks exactly like it looks exactly like I see the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Sketch real quick, and then go back to him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, boom, that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Yeah, yeah guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
We go back one more time. That's fun and then boom, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Scalty guilty, kelty guilty, he did it. I think he's also, Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I think what he looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
You asleep? The mouth open, sir, you're this is a mugshot.
It's gonna be forever.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
What what?

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Huh?

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Which direction?

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Sorry? Where do I loave that?

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
This fucking Winner is a retired pilot an ex con
who served He served on an Army helicopter crew and
other units during Vietnam. He in February nineteen seventy eight,
he was arrested in Iran and deported to the US
to face explosives possession and check kiting charges.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Bet that's a typo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
No, not check kiting is when you write bad checks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Really yeah, that's stupid. Never really, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
It's you know, like fifties talk.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he's a check cutter.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
See alright, some kind of check cutter. That's fine, we'll
get him.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Write this aerial numbers down, we'll find them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Eight two, four, seven, three, eight nine. We should start
doing long form improv during this live but oh my god,
oh no, don't you dare cheer for improv?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
God damn it. It's really triggering for us, you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Okay, give us some occupation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
I'm gonna start sweating.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
No, no, why did I sign up for this?

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Close?

Speaker 8 (01:18:19):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
But what if we solved this case through improv?

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
We just throw that soundball back and forth until we
figure out who this man is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Zip Zip John Ham cool boop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
He Beckon does the ship. He does a bunch of stuff.
He attempts to take his own death by radioing a
false made a call tells controllers that he was bailing
out of a wrenched plane over Monterey Bay. Police arrest
him and other shit, and so no direct evidence essentially, But.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
I mean, he he knew how to work a parachute.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, he knew a lot about planes and jumping out
of them and being an asshole and like doing illegal shit.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Yeah, and he looked like that. Yeah, so guilty. Lock
him up, Lock him the fuck up, throw away the key.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
In twenty sixteen, Reck Straw re emerges a suspect in
a History Channel program and book, and they all think
that it's him. It's not. It might be. I don't know,
we can't say, and then copycats there was a shit
and all fifteen hijacking, similar to Cooper is all unsuccessful. Huh,

(01:19:41):
we're attempted in nineteen seventy two. You know what I
wouldn't do in nineteen seventy two get on a fucking plane. Yeah,
you know that thing of like it's more likely you'll
die in a car accident than on a plane. Back then,
they were like, no, you'll probably get hijacked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I just liked to in nineteen seventy two, I like
to fly just so I could smoke.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Oh yeah, you don't even have.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
To smoke because everyone else is chain smoking inside of
a fucking cylinder that you're sitting in. That's right. And
they're like, what's her problem?

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Who does anyone need a lighter. Let's get these cigarettes lit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Let's get this explode exposed flame out in the open.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Okay, we're taking down the airline industry tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
That's right. And of course, part of the reason why
we have to take our shoes off at the airport
is because this asshole, like it all let it up
to this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
You know, you're blaming it for.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
That, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Over thirty seven years before you had to take your
shoes off.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And then again in early nineteen seventy three, the FA
began requiring all airlines, not aliens, to search all passengers
and their bags. So it's his fault, but I also
am okay with it. Just you know, be quick, get
through that line. Yeah, come on over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
You have to take your shoes off. You have to
pay attention.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Just pay your attention.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Grab your fucking thing. Computer goes in a separate thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Not easy, it's not new.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
And also, don't wear a belt to the airport, you
dumb ship, Like, what's wrong? Why don't accessorize? No one
gives a shit about your accessories.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Tub in your backs, start to untie your shoes. Twenty
people minimum. And if you're me and listen to your
therapist and don't watch the line. Yeah, I had a
televin still to stop watching. You start hating people's guts,
so I just lose my back. This person won't do
that this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yeah, sure, your phones in your pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Oh yeah, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Being perfect, So being an asshole it's hard. It sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Okay. So essentially the airlines just wait, okay. Basically, the
FBI are like, he's definitely dead. We couldn't find him,
so it's on him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
He died on us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yeah, so they could I mean who and where? And
could we please find out? I need a real deathbed confession.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
What I think is interesting and maybe the problem with
this case is that who gives a shit? You know
what I mean? It's like, he got the money, he
got away with it. Yeah, there's shit happening in this country.
We're just like, yeah, I'm good with the FBI focusing
on pretty much anything else. Then don draper killing it
parachute style and getting away with what eleven thousand dollars

(01:22:42):
like go to town friend, buy a condo? You got
you did it, buddy? Like weed? The worst things are
happening here, right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
And that is the case of DV COP.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
One. Yet you know what, I'm going to declare that
that was my favorite murder and no one was killed.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
You just killed it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
You're just like ended.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
I didn't know what I was gonna end that one, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Then you did it for me. And you know what,
because in improv you have to sense your partner's need
and you fill it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Think you bullshit?

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
There you go. What a great job you did with that.
Oh thank you, Oh you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Trying to be delicate about it, you know, in case
he's still alive, in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Case it was a woman dressed as a man. I
was just thinking that exact same thing. Anything's possible with
dB Cooper. That's the meadia of that story.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I really honestly thought at the end of Mad Men
that was going to be the twist. It was like
they made this, They did this whole thing where they
alluded to like an airplane and him wanting to leave town.
And what was his name in the show?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
John hamps Nay, Yeah, do you remember Stephen. It's gonna
drive me in saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I can't just answer it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Why can I not remember character's name. I watched the
whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
It is it is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Don Draper, Don Draper so it was yeah, thank god, Yeah,
I beat Google.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I beat Google.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
So it was d dB so it was like Dawn
something and then Cooper was the name of the company
he worked for or own or whatever. And I really
thought it was going to be like The Twister, which
I thought, I will pay to see it reshot that way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
That's such a good theory.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
It wasn't mine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I never Oh, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Oh no, it's like I read it fan theory that
I was like, damn it. Why didn't I think of
that one first?

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Like someone tweeted it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
And I was like, I love when people do that
where I'm like, I can't believe people pay such close
attention when they're watching TV. It's really impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, it's really or like, think of tweets while they're
in the middle of a TV program.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, And now for the hometown. It's actually from the
same show from Georgia's Story, and it's one of the
best told hometowns we've ever had at a live show,
and we've had some great ones. This one is very sad,
it's very personal and is beautifully told. So please listen

(01:25:19):
now to Dina's hometown from that same live show in Seattle, Ontown.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Great job, though that was hard.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
I'm sorry. No, look who it is?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yea check check one too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
What's that tour manager?

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
My husband and by proxy, Karen's husband's that's right, Seattle,
home to the world's first gas station. Wow, good job, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Now let's get a quick one done and get out
of here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Okay, we're gonna do a hometown if you have one
to listen, stop yelling at me. Okay, it needs to
be fast. We have to get out of here very soon.
You can't be so drunk that you can't tell your
own story beginning middle end freshman English. If you're yelling
at me or not listening to the rules, and you
won't get picked. Ooh mom, it again has to be fast.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Don't be drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I said that one great and also, uh oh, everyone
hates you, so just remember just keep it moving. No
shout outs to your friends. Nobody gives a shit. Oh
it has to be local. Yeah, and now Georgia will
pick the hometown murder.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Okay, uh yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Yeah, you look really not into it. Get up here.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah this way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
If she comes. Oh, she's she's so mad at her
friend for making her do this.

Speaker 9 (01:26:54):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Okay, she brought her phone.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Nina, you're here from here?

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
Take this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Even?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Are you gonna make a phone call really quick? I
have a note on here? You have notes?

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
No notes?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
No, you don't do the same thing we do. Get
up here, crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Where are you from?

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
I am from a little town that used to be
called Slaughter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Oh you might have heard of it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
It's also called now Auburn.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Okay, yeah, wow, you little murder.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Connections in my life. Okay, this one is personal and
it does make me a little I'll try not to
get emotional. Get emotional, you can. Yeah, it's called bipolar.
Aunt in the government subsidized apartment with a nice pick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
So I was born in the seventies, had the free
range wild West childhood with a very big family, very
big Catholic family. My uncle married a woman who I adored.
She was the greatest, tons of fun, had a very
big family. Their children were around our age with the
five minutes apart.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Spent a lot of time with them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
Never knew anything was wrong till I was a teenager
when they first got married her. She was a big family,
one of the oldest children. Her mother passed away had
younger kids and they chuck them in.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
One of them had a.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Developmentally disability and was dependent on care and she stayed
with them for the rest of her life. When I
was a teenager, she my aunt had some issues with
them in loy illness and was eventually diagnosed as bipolar
and did some really crazy, crazy shit. But it was
funny and we would see her later and she would

(01:28:41):
she would.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Laugh about it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah, you know, and if she was on her midst
she was great.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
But she like tried to dig into another friend's where
he had some helicopters, and he was she was gonna
dig under the fance to get the helicopters fly up
because my uncle was there with aliens or it was
never anything. So anyway, she became the legal caregiver for
her sister with the disabilities.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Because of all the issues.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Her and my uncle did get divorced, but she still
lived in the same town. They still remain close. My
uncle would even watch Nanatt what's her name. He would
watch her occasionally to give my aunt a break, but
she was her caregiver. So their oldest child has a baby,
and she becomes more involved, you know, in their life.

(01:29:28):
Very excited about the baby. She also discovered that she
didn't need to take her medication because she became religious
and she didn't need to take it. She had found
nothing wrong with religion. But please, well take your medication.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Yes, if you leave here with anything tonight, you're moral
of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
So she was starting to say weird things again and
acting strangely. She my cousin happens to have three sixes
in a social Security number, and she was going on
about how that means that he satanic and that maybe
the baby would and she needed anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
So that was odd.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
So we luckily told the mother of the child, do
not let her along with the baby. She wanted a babysit.
She wanted to no, I have some health care experience.
My aunt not the one with the problems. She worked
mental health. We both sat them down and said, don't
let her alone with the baby. We talked to my

(01:30:28):
aunt Patty's daughter and tried to give her some help.
She had already contacted her the people she would get
her mental health care from, and they told her that
there's nothing we can do. She hasn't made any threats
to herself. She hasn't made any threats to anybody else,
and we can't force her to come in. You can't
force her to take medication. And very very shortly after that,

(01:30:49):
this was in nineteen ninety eight, she calls my uncle
in the middle of the night, my aunt Patty, and says,
you know that basically I some of this I've heard
second third hand. You know, it's a big family. Some
of it was in the news, it's in the paper,
and that she had done something to Nana and he
needed to come over and then he needed to help her,

(01:31:10):
and then they needed to go over to my cousin
Aaron's house, and so he thinks, oh, Patti, it's okay,
She's she's gonna be okay. You know, there's she's just
I thinks she's done something. And he got over there
and she had she had killed in it in her
sleep with an ice peg. And we're really hoping that
Nana never knew. And she had a lot of weird

(01:31:32):
that was the quote. She had lots of weird shit,
I guess written in in her Bible. She had something written,
please forgive me God because Suddam I think Saddam Hussein
has ruled the world or something, and he told me
to do it, and I needed to murder Nanette. And
it was very, very very hard for my cousin, especially

(01:31:53):
her daughter, and it still is to this day. I mean,
we still don't talk to her about it because she's
just it was very hard for her.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
It was hard for us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
And she is one of the people that did get
not guilty by reason of insanity.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
So she is still in Western State Hospital. That's just
the big mental health yeah. And and it's she'll probably
be there forever.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
And that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
So please everyone, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Of course, that was an amazing that was a really
nice share.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
And it was my daughter who told me to do this.

Speaker 10 (01:32:32):
It's amazing, great job.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Give it up for her right now, Dina, Give it
up for Dina. My daughter did not do a crazy
Ninja roll up here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Thank you. No, I know you did. Three.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
That was really really good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yes, man, I'm telling you, like I don't want to
let go of the luck of the draw hometown pick
that we do because I know it's so hit or miss.
When it's a miss, it's hilarious and everyone is laughing
their ass off. Yeah, you know, and they're still supportive.
It's like such a great thing. But right when it's
a hit, it's like serendipity.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
And sometimes there's these times where it's just this beautiful
moment and people who have been there with us know
you're kind of experiencing a thing that can't happen anywhere else,
and it's really a bonding kind of beautiful thing, and
it's so it's just is like one of the coolest
things about this the our listeners and this community that

(01:33:40):
we're so excited to be a part of. It's just
like wow, totally, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Well, speaking of live shows, next week, Karen and I
and Stephen especially are taking a much needed hiatus of
a day of a day, a week, a life too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
It's one day really in the grand scheme.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Of this one day, so we're gonna put up a
live episode that only the fan cult has heard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, and we're just we just need to take a
little bit of a we need to recharge our batteries
and you know, get our get our stuff together, and
then we'll be back with brand new episodes, all news
stories and you know a little bit of a yes,

(01:34:28):
same thing, same exact thing. I just said it in French.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Oh, I said it in theater, in theater.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Yeah. Yeah, So thanks for listening, and guys, thanks for
being with us throughout this pandemic. I uh, it's been
a joy to be doing it for you and a
and an exciting challenge.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
Such as life.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Thank you Stephen Ray Morris for being our uh sure
all right, yes, audio engineer Sherpa and Google Google Master
is the universe. Hannah Crichton, who's our acting producer right now,
who we could who is making our lives easier. It
turns out that when you get a fucking producer on yeah,
smart and talented, Yeah, and you don't have to do

(01:35:20):
it yourself, it's the greatest. She has our next eight
weeks of stories. She demanded them, and we didn't want
to let her down because she's really nice.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
So their plan.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
We're after year five. We're really getting it together, everybody.
It's gonna be a whole new thing. Not really, but anyway,
thanks for listening. Yeah, and stay sext and no get murdered. Guys.
Look at Frank Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
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