31 - Namaste Sexy

This week, Karen and Georgia dive deep into the world of Lululemon with the Yoga Store Murder and then tell the tale of Tent Girl and The Doe Network. Plus a hometown murder by comedian Guy Branum!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Well, doesn't matter if you're ready, Stephen, as we'd be right,
like the real is just be rating Stephen.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Stephen includes a seven second uh just me ringing him
before the episode.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's like a what's it called when you're hostage and
you're like trying to send a message to the outside
of world. That's all Stockholm syndrome. Stockholm.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, that's right, Stephen has really bad Stockholm singer Evil.
We are starting now. Karen, my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Karen, Karen, I'm just gonnail your name.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Karen, George, Karen, Daron, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
We started the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Do you feels so far?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm great? How are you so bad?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I don't know if you ever asked me how?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I was like that, How am I do? How are
you really?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Are you? Let's have a moment of vulnerability.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I feel a lot of anxiety about gosh, so many things.
You know that weird Wednesday feeling. We're recording this on Wednesday.
Will we get it up in time?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Job stuff. I drink too much coffee all day? Oh am,
I drinking too much die coke to the point where
I'm killing mysel many do you drink Dike coke. Yeah, oh, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Only like twenty three a day. I like that every episode.
Now you have to admit, like you have to confess
something you do. That's like because you had smoke, told
us you smoked cigarettes last time.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I mean I very rarely. It's not like I wouldn't
call that. It's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's just that's like my secret sneak away.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Once in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I think you're in denial.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know, what's your big review?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh, what's a good one. That's a good one. It's
a fun one of adult acne. Okay, that sucks. I
can relate to that. Yeah, I don't like that. That's
about it. That's all you're willing to know. I mean,
my life is a fucking ope. I have nothing that
I hide.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I feel like that's I think people can. It helps
people lock in to our humanity. Yeah, when we're just
sitting here going.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You gross, discussing horrible human this hideousness, and I make
it a podcast, roast it better be a podcast. I'll
look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
We're getting a lot of is very enjoyable and of
course feeding the ego. A lot of people are doing
like fan art, pictures, things of us, which the thing, oh,
the thing I enjoy the most is there they always
give me a huge nose.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I don't think I have a huge note the don't
have a huge nose. I think I have a pretty buttony. No,
you have a cute little buttonose.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean thank you. I just want you to say
I've noticed.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I have a large jaw in them, which I actually
have an undersized shaw. Hence my end is a line
that's right, but thank you, but you know what, but
thank you. We're the most ungrateful assholes of all time.
We have a couple notes. Can you draw us? Better?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Draw me everything?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I knows lots of if you want to make it
onto Instagram, dot com, slash my favorite murder you gotta
dress it's true to life. There's some really good ones.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Of us, really awesome drawing where like you look at
it and go, oh my god, this looks like we
have a comic book.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, which is super cool. So thank you so much.
You're fucking backpeddling so hard right now. I'm embarrassed. Don't
be to go to the Instagram and you'll see a
bunch of like we post that show. We post all
of them.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
We post everything that we see and find that you
guys send us.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
I love it all.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
A lot of people made us new logos that say
the funck word murder mystery show, which we really love
and appreciate.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That was thank you. That was good times. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And also I just wanted to mention on the Twitter
page we got quote a million shout outs from Sweden.
These guys who have a podcast called the Power Meeting
Podcast send us a tweet that said a million shout
outs from Sweden, which I didn't know until I read it.
That that's all I've ever wanted in my life. Allia

(04:30):
shout outs from Sweden. Also, Australia loves us. Fuck yeah, Australia,
you were number five in Australia.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's amazing. That's that's a big place, right.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
They must not be about accuracy down there, because I
feel like everything I've ever said about Australia on this
podcast has been deeply wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, we did an Australian murder once, so maybe that's why.
Oh that's right, Like love us for doing that, because
there's some good ones there. There are some amazing ones.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yours was it was the son who washed his clothes
before he did anything.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, he murdered, he went on a paper route, murdered
his fucking family, lamed his dad, washed his clothes.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Or was that New Zealand? Fuck no, I think it
was Australia. Watch the numbers plummet. Oh my god, why
did I even bring this up? I don't know I
brought it up. Okay, this is all your What else
do you want to say? Harmontown twenty eighth. I don't
know if it's sold out or not, but we might
as well give it a plug. Dan Harmon has a

(05:25):
live podcast and we get to be the guests this
coming Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, so if you can't come, just excited listen to
it because it's going to be a good episode.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, it'll be an upcomer on a Feral Audio podcast exclusive.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
And then oh we're we did the doll up live
to enter episode podcast. When you can listen to that,
Oh that's right. And it was super fun. Oh my god,
it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
It was really good.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It was great just to sit between all of you
guys were so fucking funny and just like I, like
I said, and I really felt this at the time
that I was gonna laugh. My boatoks out like, I
was laughing so hard I thought I was going to
break my boatox.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, Dave and Gareth have this weird combination going where
it's like Dave says the fact and then Gareth acts
it out, and it's so amazing that I just wanted
to sit there quietly and let them do it, because
I'm genuinely a fan of what they do. But I
felt like, you know, of course, as a comic, I
have to nudge my way into everything, right, No, it

(06:21):
was so good. It was super fun.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Also, we got a tweet from Glitter Pizza ninety one
God bless your heart that said, why not at.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
The end of every murder, why don't you ring a gong?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Which I read out of context, just read as a
random tweet, and it made me laugh very hard. Then
I understood. I saw a bunch of other tweets that said,
what's that noise? What's that creepy spooky noise that we
keep hearing? And it was we got Steven set us
up with these awesome mic stands. Yeah, they look like
what you see, like real radio people yeaking, so we

(06:54):
don't have to like touch our mics and make noise anymore.
But what we did was we touched the mic stands.
We were making the springs because I can't sit still. Right?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Is that super loud? That's it?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, yeah, I made the sound. Listen, I have add
I think right, that's what my psychiatrist tells me. Okay,
I can't fucking sit still. I want to move around.
I know, but it's you know, I'm going to sacrifice
fat for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, we really appreciate it. Thank you speak for everybody.
Thank you buy and myself.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
You have a button knows thank you you eyes made
out of coal. Let's see we go. Let's see. I
changed our Patreon page and I'm not going to shill
or anything, but I'm going to be posting on the
blog in there some hometown murders. Great that we're not
going to read in our minisodes, just for whatever reason.

(07:43):
So go there and look at them. Okay, I think
it's free.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You pay money to look at them, though, Yeah, it's
not the whole idea of a page.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, you can give us like a dollar a month
or whatever the fuck you feel like.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
We heard tell that we might that our podcasting network
might be setting us up with a person who knows
about stuff like this. Probably they don't have to do
it by ourselves anymore. Yeah, and dude, when that comes together, beautiful,
watch how we take over the inner Man.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
We also had we just ended our last T shirt sales,
and we are giving half the money to end the
backlog dot org. Nice.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
How much does that do?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I say, because what if it's like that's not what
if they're like, well it was just a one month
says we're sending two grand to end the backlog dot
or it's right good.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know more than they fucking had before.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I got so freaked out when I posted like, hey,
we're gonna get fifty percent to end the backlog, because
I expected people this is the opposite of what happened,
But I expected people to be like only fifty percent.
You're just being so you're being so greedy. And then
all these people are like that's so incredible. I'm like, oh, okay,
Like I've just been being hard on myself.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yes, I mean, I think it's just weird to be
in this position where you can actually put something out,
have people buy it, and then actually give money. Yeah,
it's like a neat cool thing. But also we've never
done it before, so everything feels wrong and bad and weird.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, on the Patreon I put that people, well maybe
they can. We can have like votes for like the
what the next shirt design is going to be, or
also people can vote on what the next charity that
we give money to will be. I wouldn't do that
second one. I mean why, I mean ones we pick
and then they can vote off them. Oh right, it's
not like the KKK.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Right, that's all I'm looking for. I can't have this.
Please donate to white supremacist groups anymore. I don't want it. Yeah,
and I can't. You've given them so much of your money,
Karen already. Oh, I give them dime after dime so
they can buy their robes. Oh man, those robes are
not cheap.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, silk, that's the one place they don't scam. Are
they silk?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I please, they're not. I'm just thinking of like, oh, brother,
we're art though.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, it seemed really nice. Do you have
any other house keeping? I'll keep it keep I don't
think so. Is there anything else that you love right now?

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Anything going on in the news. We know John Benee's
brothers get Oh did you watch You and I both
looked at each other at the exact same moment watching
that trailer, that John Benet DOCU series trailer.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
We have to watch it together. I insist you watch it.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Can I tell you something? What a magazine wants us
to do a recap every night of it? Is it
White Power Magazine?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
They want to blame it on how much they got
to pay, you know money, I think real money.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh then yes, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I know. The trailer gave me freakin' chills.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, we watched the trailer at work today and I
love the people I work with because they're super into
shites too. And when it got to the part trailer spoiler,
when it got to the part where they have reconstructed
the Ramsey's house, the room by room recreated down to
the detail of shit that was like leaning against.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
The wall, life changing.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
These people are going these these investigators, these the these
very qualified people.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
From all walks of criminal forensicness or criminality, criminality.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
They're gonna be able to walk through and talk about
and restage things that happened.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Do you think they'll come to a conclusion It clearly
in the trailer you can tell that they're going to
They're like, yeah, there was no. This is not an
outside job, motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I mean that's what they're leading you to believe.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's true. And then like oh oh when they played
the when she hung up the phone and you can
hear her in the background, I still don't hear it.
Do you have you listened to that?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I mean when they say like they reduced all the.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sound, yeah, and they hear her say I'm not talking
to you. Yes, I still don't hear it, do you No?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
But I feel like that's almost like one of those
ghost investigations where they're like do you hear it? And
then they put the subtitles and you're like, I gues,
I hear if you want me to hear it all
here totally, I'll hear whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
My thing was because everybody at my job, everybody pointed
out like the thing that freaked them out or that
they liked the most, and mine was that when Patsy
Ramsey said I love that child, she did it with
her eyes closed.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
That was the creepiest part is both of them being
both of them speaking was so fucking eerie. Yeah, and
two cameras like basically clearly.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Some lawyers said, you have to go out there and
tell these people you didn't kill your daughter, and you
have to make a statement. And when Patsy Ramsey said
I didn't kill my daughter, and then she closes her
eyes and goes, I love that child, and then they
stay closed, like to me that I just love those
Like that means something. I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I also saying that child means something.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Because it's like she's not saying my daughter Jean Benet, Yeah,
it's like that child.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, I was like that child. She can't take take
ownership of the thing.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Did you ever watch the show Lie to Me with
Tim Row where it was all about the person that
read micro expressions and it was like a whole company.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
No, Oh, I know someone had worked on it that
I dated, So I didn't watch it. Oh yeah, because
you're mad. No, he was very nice. Oh, I don't
want to step on a set.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I just love that show because that's kind of stuff
of like being able to interpret what people are really
doing underneath how they mask when.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
They point it out and they're like, would they like
pause it and be like this thing right here and
that thing?

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I love that yeah, yeah, you should watch that show.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I don't know if it's on anything, but okay, well.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Did you catch up on the night of We've only
got one episode loved. I gotta say, you're out.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Everyone telling me about stuff about it and talking to
other people about it has made me want to watch
it less. You're so fucking punk rock Georgia. I swear
to god, you're just like.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Anything mean right now. No, I mean it in that
way of like you're just like you know, and I
don't have to like it. If you like it, it's a
good way to be I respectful. But I think that's
how I think that's what it is, where you're like,
does everybody like it, then everybody can find Well, what.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Everyone's telling me about it, thank you. That actually means
a lot to me. But what everyone's telling me about
it is like I don't care about the prison stuff.
I want the trial stuff. And from what everyone's someone
say to me. Someone was like, and I'm not gonna
take responsibility. I don't remember who said it was like, listen,
I watched Orange is the New Black. I don't need
to know what's going on in prison, Like, so did

(14:11):
I the same, It's totally the same. I'm just like,
I don't I want to know that the way that
they find out, how the investigation goes, how the trial goes.
Stuff in prison, I don't care about.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right, I you know what, I feel the same way
because I find and this is you're gonna this is
gonna blow your mind. I find prison to be really depressing,
so I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I fear going.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
There to hurt you.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
As a child, I a prisoner, it was a warden.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, I don't like. I know, it's living hell. And
there are many many people in this country that are there, Yeah,
and that's awful to me.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Especially people are there that like, oh, it was really
hard for me to watch them get taken in to
get out. Let's go call it when you get processed in, yeah,
because it's like no one gives a shit about you
and immediately or just trashed. Yeah, the way you know
when you wait and line it at post office and
you get to the next teller and you can tell
they've had a hard day and they fucking hate everything.
So you can smile and be like hi, andy and

(15:09):
be nice, and so they'll give you a better experience
and be happier. Yeah, like you can't do that in prison.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
What am I supposed to do? I didn't learn to
be polite for nothing? Oh, it's like I mean, And
it is like we talk a lot. We talk a
big game about like send them do way for it,
because we talk about these specific stories where people cut
off fifteen year old girls arms, yes, and leave them
to die, and these horrible cases. And of course you

(15:34):
want Larry Singleton to disappear from the planet. But the
reality of a human being in a prison is a nightmare.
Like and so I'm not saying I'm not a hypocriter
that I can't rectify those two things.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
But it's yeah, watching it.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
What I love it that in that show is that
they're laying in It's just really good writing. And I
really like to watch good writing. It may it makes
me feel smart. And again, I'll say it for the
millionth time, riz Ahmed, I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Someone made up madea I want his DNA inside me.
A couple of people made someone to Valentine last last week.
I said, your serial killer, Valentine. Yeah, yeah, I said
I want his DNA inside me, the meaning I want
to have his baby because he's so cute that I
want like that, but just didn't sound like that.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, it's literally the most not cute kind of discussing thing.
But that's not what you meant. Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
You know what I don't like about. I don't like
innocent people in prison. That people like Larry Singleton deserve
to be in prison. Good, have a fucking horrible time,
but innocent people, Oh my god, that terrifies me.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's horrible and it's happens, and we all know what happens,
and it's incredibly stressful.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, all right, but I like it.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's to me, it's worth the stress, and there's things
that are happening and are exciting.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I won't not try it. It does disappoint me that.
I mean, I don't know what happened. Maybe I'll watch
the last episode.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Okay? Can I do that?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's your life, jump in, jump out?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, can they please bring the family back? That's all
I ask?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Is that all you want this Christmas?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
That's all I want for Hanka Christmas?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
All Right? I think that's it?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right? Are you you need to nothing?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Are we now? Is forty five minutes in basically, I'm
first this way.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, go and tell me I am Mine is short too,
so take your time, okay, mine is.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I wish I had four months to research this because
the first time I heard of this murder, I thought, oh,
who cares?

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Not not about the people. But that's not my style.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Like like, as we've said a million times, but like
Silence of the Lambs is my ideal murder everything situation.
You've got a weird hero killer that's got a an
m O and a and a plan and every penis.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, has always been this crazy way. It's not like
he's it's.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Not a one if it's not a crime of passion,
it's not whatever. That's I find that extreme criminal mind
thing fascinating.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
So when I first heard about this crime, I was like, oh,
that's not that's not my thing at all. And then
but it kept coming back, like you, I would see
it every once in a while looking for other stuff,
and then I finally started looking into it, and it
is so fascinating. All right, So it's the Lululemon murder.
Oh yes, in Bethesda, Maryland.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
That is fascinating. I didn't know that. I know, that's
definitely not one that I would have looked into. Okay,
I'm excited me too. Things us.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So I first heard of it. I think it was
like a year ago or something. I was doing tig Nataro's.
Tig Nataro has a comedy festival every year called the
Benson Ball in DC, which is where she's from. And
so whoever was driving us to the theater that night,
we drove down the street and we passed a Lula Lemon.
I don't think it was the one we were driving by,

(19:01):
because the THSD I believe is.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
North of Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
But he brought it up and told the story love him,
and he basically just said, oh, did you hear about
that really terrible crime that happened at Lululemon. It was
really bad, you know, uh, And it was basically one
of the employees killed another one. And so I was
just like, you know what, I know. Now we're talking

(19:26):
yoga pants, we're talking trimate passion. I'm not interested in
any of this.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
For anyone listening and doesn't know, Lulu Lemon is a
fucking high end kind of When I see girls wearing
yoga pants with lut Lemon, and I'm like oh, you
spent a lot of money on yoga pants and didn't
buy him a right aid, Yeah, you're better than me.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Crazy expensive, like they're almost it's it's like Louis Vaton
of yoga pants, which is a hilarious paradox of this
is yoga.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, and they have like the like logo out so
you can see them ohell, yeah, you know what I mean? Yes,
instead of hiding your shame, they put it out there.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So when I first googled this, a couple Huffington Post
articles came up, and one that I really liked is
by a girl name, believe it or not, Elizabeth Licorice.
And great, that's what she wins, and she's amazing. She's
all red and her skin is twisted a no, no,

(20:23):
cancel it.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Stephen Mark, Stephen Mark, that concept.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh okay. So she wrote an article called Lululemon's cult culture,
get Fit or Die Trying. So this girl started working
at Lululemon. That's how you pronounce it.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Right, Lululemon. Yeah, I don't give a fucking shit.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Ok it sounds right, it's how it's spelled, and that's
what I assumed. And then on Luliman, I think it's Luliman,
but there's an extra Luliman would be there's too many lows,
all right, So I think it's Lemon. Let's call it.
Let's not give a shit, okay, all right, so you're right.
I think you're it. It has This girl worked there,

(21:03):
and so she's talking about what a creepy like culture
this business has, which is very funny because like when
I worked at the Gap in the nineties and I
only worked there for a year, I really hated it.
But it is this thing where they want you as
a person that's getting paid yea shit and mostly working
part time so they don't have to give you full
time benefits all that stuff, but they still want you

(21:25):
to really dig care about it. Yeah. This the culture,
the retail culture of like and if you sell this,
you'll get this, and we have to get our numbers
up here. Meanwhile, down Fish or the owner at the
time was making like billions of dollars. So it's so
I can see where that was in the nineties. It's now,
you know, twenty years later, and they have refined this concept.

(21:48):
So it's like branding and marketing and you know, lifestyle
choices and it's all that.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I bet it's the kind of thing where they don't
call you an employee, they call you like a team
member or whatever. The fuck the dimster.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So this girl, yeah, this girl worked there and talked
about but she said, Lululan wants you to know it's
elevating the world from mediocrity to greatness and creating components
for people to live long, healthy and fun lives.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
But if you dig deeper, you find about Yeah, you
can't do that in fucking pantsy about a target.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
No, no, no, no, you have to get really superficial
to rise above media.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
But if you dig deeper, you'll find you'll learn that
about Landmark Forum.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
No they don't. Yes, which is the ultra secretive, early
cultish educational series which Lululemon employees are strongly encouraged to
attend up. Yes, now, now I know. I have a
friend who did Landmark Forum and is like, I believe
in it. I think it's great. And I said, yeah,
but isn't it a crazy pyramid scheme where you basically

(22:54):
have to bring people in and you spend thousands of
dollars And he goes, yeah, but I just didn't do that,
Like I got what I wanted and I left, and
I'm like, well, you're you're a strong willed person. But
I think it's one of those things that like it's
like st or anything that just it makes money off
of people kind of going this is the answer to my.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Life and then trying to get everyone I know into it.
So I see so sad.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
So they encourage their employees to, uh to go to
the Landmark Forum, which is bizarre to me. And before
you're in line for Landmark, you're bombarded with Brian Tracy
motivational CDs and a book club club that culminates with
Atlas shrugged. Oh shit. So it's not it's so it's

(23:36):
like get that money and get yours and empowerment, but
in this weird culty way, which also it's like this
is your job, this is your retail job. So uh
they uh. She said. All of it made walking into
work feel like she was time traveling to Salem, because

(23:58):
with the Lululum, Creed and Catechism comes a collective mentality
that thrives on scapegoats and leads you feeling worthless if
you subsist on anything but spring water and kale. Once
another employee sneered at me from across the floor and
said the soda I happened to be enjoying would wrop
me from the inside out. Eventually we were all issued

(24:19):
reusable acrylic cups and forbidden to drink anything but water.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Oh my god, stop it.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
So this is I'm I'm just trying to paint a
little bit of a picture. And I really encourage if
you're slightly interested in this to look up these articles
because it's pretty fascinating how many directions that goes.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
In of yeah, that sounds like a fun read.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, well, and just the intensity of a retail job.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
This is like, it bums me out so much to
think that what people expect from you when they're not
willing to give you any respect.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
At all or write uhverybout and when you work there,
everything about you as inventoried and measured in terms of
authentic city and integrity, which sounds reasonable until you realize
your yoga mats on a sweaty, slippery slope that missing
your extra that's this I'm still reading for the article
missing your extracurricular kickboxing class, taking too long to pee

(25:14):
during your break, or falling to throw or failing to
throw a kitchen party, and then she says in parentheses,
don't ask what in the fitting room means you're deficient
in character and devoid of morals?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
What's a kitchen party? I'm gonna ask. We have to
find out.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
But it's like, I think it's in you know, its
secret in house language. Yeah, those girls happened to just
be older, sportier versions of seriously cutthroat sorority sisters. So
that's one person's take about what it felt like to
work there. So what's kind of to go along with
that that? This company's had a lot of controversy since

(25:50):
they started. It's a Canadian company. They've opened in I think, well.
In two thousand and two, to mark the opening of
their second store in Vancouver, they offered a free outfit
to anyone who would stand naked on.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
The street for thirty seconds. Are you fucking how about
for people who can't afford them and are homeless? You've
fucking assholes?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But like, also, so it's a store that's mostly women's clothing. Yeah,
and you're basically trying to get ladies to stand around naked,
so you give them their one hundred and forty dollars
yoga pants.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like, so sad, you're asking them to exploit themselves. Yeah,
oh my god. That same owner. I can't find his
name right now.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
He in an interview with the National Post business magazine,
which sounds very Canadian to me, but I'm not sure.
He said he purposely named it Lululemon with lots of
l's because quote, it's funny to watch Japanese people try
to He also wants blogs that breast cancer quote came
into prominence in the nineteen nineties due to all the
cigarette smoking power women who are on the pill and

(26:52):
taking on the stress previously left to men in their right.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I'm going to Lulu murder you piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
His name is sorry, that guy's name, I'm trying to Oh,
that guy's name is Chip Wilson. And of course later
on everybody heard about the They in I think it
was twenty eleven. Oh no, sorry, twenty thirteen, they had
to recall their line of Luwan yoga pants because there

(27:23):
were sea through. I remember that they were sea through.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I've seen girls gee strings from behind yoga before.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
And then that same CEO on when he was interviewed
on Bloomberg TV about it, he asked he was asked
what the nature of the pants recall was. He said,
quite frankly, some women's bodies just don't work for it.
It's more about the rubbing through the thighs, how much
pressure there is over a period of time.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Fucking dick.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So he's basically saying, if you're not emaciated, you can't
wear our yoga pants, and if you do, it's your fall.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah. Yeah, So he's a superstar. After he said that,
of course, he was asked to step.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Down from being the CEO because it's you know, at
the time it was twenty thirteen, So so I'm sorry,
sir that it's not nineteen forty five anymore. You can
take that shit elsewhere. In two thousand and seven, they
had a line of clothing called Vita c Sea, which
the company said was made from seaweed fiber and according

(28:24):
to the tags, they said it released marine amino acids, minerals,
and vitamins into the skin upon contact with moisture zinc
reducing stress and providing anti inflammatory, antibacterial, hydrating, and detoxifying benefits.
So the New York Times, that's exactly right. The New
York Times commissioned a laboratory test of a shirt made

(28:44):
from vita c and there was no significant difference in
mineral levels between the Vitaic fabric and a plain cotton
T shirt. In other words, the labs found no evidence
of seaweed.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
In the lemon clothing at all. That we're not done.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
In two thousand and eight, a mother and daughter found
a hidden message in the shopping bag. Underneath a layer
of inspirational quotes such as friends are more important than money, there.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Was a second note.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
That said quote some brief or quick fix instance in well,
start over. Some brief or quick fix incidences when our
minds are clear to be creative are when drunk or stoned,
or just after an orgasm.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
What does that mean? Okay, so they're promoting being drunk
or stone.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
To orgasms or having an orgasm so that you can
be creative. And this is inside a yoga pants bag.
So they had this. It turned out that they had
printed this up. Initially, people saw it and were like,
what the fuck are you doing here? Well, the other
quotes were the athletes high as the most long lasting,
as it can last up to six hours. And there's

(29:55):
a little difference between addicts and fanatic athletes. Both are
continually searching for a way to remain in a creative state.
So it was all just weird. They were very pro
drugs and sex. And then a couple of people got
the bags and were like, what's wrong with you guys?
This is a yoga pant store. Yeah, so they took
the bags and just sewed over them with friendship is

(30:15):
more important than money. But all you have to do
is wash the bag a couple of times. And then
the other label came out, Oh right, that doesn't work.
Some money on an eBay.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Uh and also creepy, like you're getting cre weird messages anyway. Yeah,
and they just the answer back when when that happened
was not an apology. They were basically like, we're about
speaking our mind, we're about living in this having new
ideas and new experiences. And they basically were like, yeah,
we do what we want. We're trying to inspire people.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
So oh my god, uh so yeah I have yeah,
go on just how you're saying how Yeah, but also
but that's not good for them, but don't shop there,
like I don't. They can do that. It's fine, you
can do that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Like here's the thing yoga is a practice that's about
connecting to yourself and connecting, you know, having a body
mind connection so that you are more in yourself and calmer,
more normal. It's not about spending money. Yeah, not about
being better than your sorority sister.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
To get a mantra for transcendental meditation is fucking three grand, Like,
how do you? How do they?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Well, No, that's based on how much money you make.
But I mean, I'm not defending it because it's it
costs money. But what I'm saying is this is a
store that's creating that culture of you will spend money always,
and you will spend money on bullshit because we're gonna
lie straight to your face and say that our clothes
are made of detoxifying seaweed. That's crazy. So anyway, that's

(31:50):
just a little background, all right. So so the worst
thing that happened to them, of course, was in twenty eleven.
On the morning of March twelfth, an employee entered their store,
the BESDA Maryland store, and she actually went in she

(32:10):
heard something inside I think it said, and so she
went and got a guy off the street and said,
you have to go in there and check I'm supposed
to open the store, and there's weird noises and the
guy walked into like a bloody scene, and it turned
out that Britney Norwood and Jana Murray were lying in
the store. Jana was dead and Britney was tied up

(32:32):
bound hands and feet. Jenna had a rope around her
neck and hammer knife wounds to her head and she
had been repeatedly struck with a metal stand. Later on,
the medical examiner found out she had three hundred and
thirty distinct wounds on her body.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh my, how long would that take to hit someone
three hundred and thirty times? And how much rage and
how personal? That's like ten minutes of hitting. It's insane overkill.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, So when they when the cop touched Brittany, she
flinched and then she tells the story that the night
before they closed the shop and then she'd gone to
I'm saying Jana, but I think it's Jana. Did I
say Jana? I think it's Jena. So she had gone
to Jana and said, I need to go back in.
I forgot something. And when they went back in, two

(33:24):
masked attackers came like stormed into the store. Whoops to
storm the store and with guns and attacked them, and
Brittany said, rape them and tied them up and killed
Jana and left her for dead. Had she been hit
on all of her Yeah, she had injuries too, okay.

(33:48):
And her pants were slit at the crotch. It all
looked very bad. So looked it all looked very bad. Okay,
So sorry, I have to scroll down on my dumb
So of course panics set off because this is apparently
a super high end area because that's how those stores

(34:09):
are always in, like really, so people are freaking out,
like there's no violent crime in that area at all. Immediately,
the cops are set up a manhunt. There's one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars reward for anyone with information leading
to an arrest. It's like big and huge, and they
start talking to people around the neighborhood, and they talk

(34:31):
to these employees at the Apple store which was right
next door, and these employees say that, yes, they heard
two women arguing and yelling and some weird thumping and
fighting noises the night before, but they never called nine
one one.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
How do you.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
They didn't get asked that question in court, which, of course,
because it's like Ultimately, it's not about them and what
they did or didn't do, aside from I'm sure they
struggle with it.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah it's hideous, but yeah they didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And then somebody included in one of these articles that
I read was this really awesome thing about how when
you are when you have a phone or a computer
or something that distracts you, you are you are like
some percentage I won't make up and I'll just be
honest that I don't know it, but like a very
high percentage less likely to get involved.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
With anything happening around you.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So they're in an Apple store, so it's probably like
weird noise, weird noise to go back to playing Yazzi
with friends or whatever on your phone.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I don't know if I would, like, how would you
get involved? It just so depends on the situation. If
you can't expect people to be being you know, getting murdered, no,
if you hear a fight, you're not like, I'm gonna
go make sure no one's getting murdered.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, not at all, and especially in that area. Yeah, No,
it's a weird thing. I'm sure they had never had
any experience like that. No, And that's not they probably
were like, oh, no, those girls are fighting eastward the
end that totally got. It's just unfortunate because even just
all to say maybe you should just go check. I
think it's that thing of like people aren't willing to
just risk being wrong, which is which is sad.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Or not being able to read a situation correctly.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I mean the way a couple of these articles talked
about it, there was like extended thumping and fight sounds
and oh, yeah, you should checked that out. At at
one point they heard a woman's scream, Oh please God
help me.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
What the okay? No, you should have fucking gone over there,
I gyuess I buried the lead on the should have
brought that up earlier. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, so crazy. Even if you're not sure, roll the dice, okay.
So so from that they realize they that these employees
only hard two women the entire time. They don't hear
anything about men's voices, they don't hear anything else, so
they're suspicious. Also, there's this really awesome statistic I found

(36:52):
that I know the exact.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Number four according to the Bureau of the Justice of Statistics.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
No. No, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, only
fifteen percent of homicides are committed by someone who doesn't
know the victim.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Fifteen fifteen percent. That's crazy. So in some ways, relax,
right because it's very very except don't because your fucking
family's going to murder you. It's gonna be your husband
with that milkshake. I wonder if that's the reason why
we're so fascinated with stranger murders.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
What the cord? Okay, Oh, I think you're are you
hitting it with her? Realize?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Okay? I wonder if that's why we're so fascinated about
stranger murders is because they're so rare. Yes, and so
they sound like there are a lot more of them,
but in actuality.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, everyone talks about the ones that happen because they're
so crazy and weird, so.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It seems like they're more likely. That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, So the cops know this, I mean the cops,
the cops they say that all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I'm like twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Or whatever, where it's like you always look to yeah,
the husband, the wife, the friends, the people that they know.
So one of the big in the case, uh, was
that they looked in Jana Jana's.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Car and Jane is the murder victim. She's the victim.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, So they process her car and they find Brittany,
Brittany's DNA in the car, and then they asked Brittany,
have you ever been in Jana's car? And she said no.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That man. I love when they fucking trapped something like that.
Or if you had just said yes, right, you would
not have been a suspect.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
But they never do because they were in the car,
so they're trying to cover that lie is going to
get them out again.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
And yeah, that's that's the greatest.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I love that. So also they realized they had had
all the test processed and Brittany had said that they
were both raped by these masked men, but when the
test came back, they there was no sign of rape
on either of them.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
There was no you know, evidence of it.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, there was all of the normal things that they
findration on either of them, Okay. And also her wounds
were few and superficial.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Right, Yeah, if you're going to hit someone thirty three
hundred something times and the other person just gets.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
A little yeah, that's crazy about And also because then
that's like there's some crime of passion taking place.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, so there is an intended victim here, yes, exactly okay.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
And also then they realize for the angles, they start
studying the angles of the of the wounds clearly self
inflicted and she tied herself up. It was all They
start looking back on its stage. Now there were in
the blood. There were two shoeprints. Jana's shoeprints were not
in the blood, Britney's shoeprints were in the blood, and

(39:52):
besize fourteen men man's shoe one set of men's shoes
were in the blood.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
So not too like. So she grabbed some shoes off
fucking show.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
That's exactly right, the son of a and walked around
through as if a man.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Was walking through. What an idiot that she didn't grab
both the fucking show because it's like the display pair right,
Oh my god. So it's like brilliant and so stupid
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well, it's that thing of like you are you can't
cover now a murder. You just can't.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
You're not as smart as you think you are. You can't.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And also cops have seen it a million of times,
like they know what they're looking at and what looks
weird and what doesn't. So ultimately they basically get her
to start talking, and it turns out six days after
the crime actually happened, it was the same night of
Jane's memorial, they arrest Britney Norwood for first degree murder

(40:50):
and so basically they figure out that that that day
Brittany had been caught shot uplifting a pair of yoga
pants by Jana, and that's what caused That was the
inciting incident. Obviously much more was going on for her

(41:11):
to get stabbed over three hundred times, and they said
she used five different weapons all found.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Within the store was oh my god.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, and there was a blood trail that showed how
Jana tried to escape through the back door and she
had one hundred and seven defensive wounds, Oh my god.
So the end they said that that was the most
that medical examiner had ever seen on a victim.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So this was a crazy and horrible and extended period
of time where this murder happened. Now here's the creepiest
part to me is Brittany goes clearly just goes fucking berserk, snaps,
she gets caught. Now she's in that, she's out this
system She's the worst of the worst. If you're bad

(42:02):
for drinking diet coke on the floor, imagine we're getting
caught shoplifting would be like in that culture at that story. Also,
I don't think it was probably very easy because Britney
was black, and I don't know what the percentages were
of people who were black that worked a lemon, but

(42:24):
I bet that was an element in it. Yeah, I'm
sure that brought there was something that brought to the table.
There was other articles that talked about how she had
stalked her boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I think she had there.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
She was definitely maybe a borderline personality, She had definitely
had some issues whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
But this girl.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Viciously and insanely murders her coworker and then lays down
in blood for hours and hours until she gets discovered
crazy in the same room as a dead body. I mean,
that's the creepy level of that. Also, she went and
moved because when she called Jana back to let her
back into the store, Jane was double parked, so she

(43:08):
had to go get into her car and she went
and parked it down like a couple blocks away, and
that's how she got They got that DNA of hers
in there. So essentially she had ten hours to stage
and plan this this crime and and figure it all out.

(43:28):
So anyway, she was convicted in an hour. They tried
to say that she was insane, and they were like, no, sorry,
this was insanely premeditated. Yeah, I mean that's bad phrasing.
This was very premeditated, and obviously to.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Try to cover it up.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So she knows, yes, yes, exactly, and.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh, so she was got She got a life sentence
and with no possibility of parole. Uh So it turned
out that the Lululemon murder was much more fascinating than
I could ever imagine it.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah. I thought she just like went in there and
shot her. Like I didn't even know any of the details.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
It was grizzly as hell.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, and just that the element.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Like the pressury sales sorority sister element, is fascinating to me. Somebody.
There's a guy that wrote a book. His name's David Morse,
and it's called the This is going to be wrong.
I want to say it's called the Yoga Pants Murder,
but that's not going to be right, The Yoga storre Murder.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
There you go. So close. Oh are there are there
crime scene photos? I'm sure there are, but but I
want to see them without the body, So I'm not
that fucked up.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
They wanted to show the crime scene photos when they
were trying to pick the jury, and they the.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I think it was when they were trying to pick
the jury.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I guess that doesn't really make sense, but they were
basically trying to introduce these photos, and like the defense
fought it because they're so awful. Her skull was cracked,
her spine was severed.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh I don't want to say that.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I mean, it's terrible. I mean you you know she
was stabbed over three hundred times. It's say, it's horrifying.
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, So there you go. I mustay, I must stay,
I must stay, Karen must stay. Everybody should we end
on own?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well? Wow?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
All right?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Ready for mine?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Okay? Mine is about the tent girl and the Dough network.
What do you know that isn't dear no d o
e asn't like Jane Doe. Oh oh oh like dough
A dough A dead body, a female dead body?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh my god? I had to did it? Did it?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
All?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So on May seventeenth night, teen sixty eight, a well
digger named Wilbur Riddle was killing time between jobs picking
up glass insulators on a dirt road. It was just
outside Lexington, Kentucky, so he's scavenging. Sure, he comes across
a large green tarpaulin and that was commonly used by

(46:22):
carnival workers to store the big big top tens in,
and inside he finds the new decomposing body of a
young woman. She appeared to be in her teens and
she had been dead for months. Oh, they couldn't figure
out her exact cause of death, but it was thought
that she had been knocked out with a blow of
the head and then tied up inside the bag to

(46:45):
slowly suffocate. And the way they knew this is that
her nails were worn down and broken. Oh no, as
if she had been trying to escape nightmare. Yes, she
couldn't be identified and became known as the tent Girl.
Sorry is sixty eight? You said?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
It became a local legend, and her grave had a
headstone that had they had put the a sketch of
the what the police had sketched what she might have
looked like, and it said Tent Girl, found May seventeenth,
nineteen sixty eight on US Highway twenty five North, died
about April, like all these weird statistics about her unidentified.

(47:26):
So it was a place where local teens would visit
to cause trouble and to scare each other, and like
on Halloween, you ha at night you had to go
touch the gravestone and run away and stuff. And so
a couple decades later, there's a teenager who moves into
town named Todd Matthews and he hears about the story
of Tent Girl by a girl he's got a crush on.

(47:48):
Nine months later, he and this girl get married, and
it turns out her name is Lori Riddle. Her father
was Wilbil Riddle, who found tent Girl. Ooh, So Todd
Matthews becomes obsessed with the case, and for decades he's
determined to find out the true identity of tent Girl.

(48:09):
Todd's two siblings had died at birth and had really
stuck with him, and so he says that he felt
like tent Girl had become his sibling until he could
find her real family. Just so fucking sweet, I might cry.
So when the Internet's created, he saves up enough money

(48:30):
for he works low income jobs, saves up enough money
to buy a computer, and then he trolls chatrooms and
search engines and missing personal listings, searching for details that
match tent girl, and he creates a website devoted to
finding her identity. And this is before any of like
web sleuthing shit is going on, like in his mind,

(48:50):
he's just going to email as many people as possible
till he finds out who this missing person is. So
cut to the night January nineteen ninety eight, and Todd
has been online for hours looking at random stuff when
he comes across a classified ad from a woman who's
searching for her missing twenty four year old sister, Barbara

(49:11):
and Hackman Taylor. He Todd sees the three words Lexington
nineteen seven sixty seven missing, and he knows it's her immediately.
So in December nineteen sixty seven, twenty four year old
Barbara and Hackman was a mother and a waitress. She
had married young and then mysteriously disappeared. And they thought

(49:33):
it was a teenager originally when they found the body,
but she's actually twenty four, which is just another reason
like why you cops like it wouldn't have taken someone
amateur to find this person. Because you're looking for a teenager.
You're not going to find someone with totally different statistics, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, they won't fall into that catchy right.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
So Matthew's arrange just to have Tent Girl's body exhumed,
and in April nineteen ninety eight, DNA TI prove that
Barbara Ann Hackman is tent Girl.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I know. The family chooses to have Barbara's remains kept
in the original spot with the original headstone. They just
added a little stone underneath with her real name, nicknamed,
date of birth, presumed date of death, and the inscription
loving mother, grandmother, and sister. Oh I know she was
a grandmother at twenty four. No, I think she had

(50:25):
her babe, her daughter and now she's a grandmother. Yeah.
So all right, that was really stupid.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Sorry, now I got it.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I love you for it. I totally got it. It sounds
like I thought that Klucus Clayton net robes were made
out of silk earlier when you said it. So we're good.
You never know, I don't really, you just can't say
that if they are. I'm going to go in and
say absolutely fucking not. Probably not No, all right, So
he died before tent girl was identified. But Barbara's husband,

(50:56):
George Earle Taylor, never found the missing person's and he
told Barbara's family that she had left him for another man. Yeah,
all right, so you know how she was fucking found
in a tarpaulin?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Am I seeing that?

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That was common yet commonly used by carnival workers to
store big tents. Guess what George's job was?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
He was an accountant? Was he an accountant? Was he
did he work at RII Carnival?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yes, he was a carnival worker. He died of cancer
in October nineteen eighty seven, and I hope he rots.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
In good Yeah, good glad. Fuck yourself?

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Fuck yourself. Uh, isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
What is what?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
A There's nothing a size like besize fingerprints that could
have made it more of a like here's who done it?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean did they? Karen, don't question, I won't did
they play? Did they like tie it back to the
carnival he was working at.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Maybe No, I just meant like at the time when
they founder, did they take that tarpulent or whatever?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
It's called evidence. And then go interview some carnival work, right,
see what local carnival is in town?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And then it could that be the third season of
True Detective, this story of like the carnies.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Those are great questions. I was just excited that they
put that together. But gosh, I wish they had done
that before he died of cancer. Yeah that's a good point,
but I mean, yeah, well shit, Okay, can I do
a different story? No kidding? All right, So the ending
of this is pretty amazing that Todd Matthews goes on
to help create the Dough Network, which I'm obsessed with.

(52:37):
It's an online database containing thousands of profiles for unidentified
does Jane and John does and baby does and amateur
sleuths try to connect unidentified bodies with missing people. Amazing,
like people who are like nurses and fucking janitors and
all these crazy people who like are doing this for

(52:57):
free in their free time, just sit there and try
to find matching characteristics to get these people found and
get them. You know.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So, is it like websluting where anyone can do it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Enter the information. They started They started regulating it because
I think that a lot of a lot of police
were getting annoyed with all the calls they were going
to like I think it's this person. I think it's
that person. So there's like for each each town or
each city, there's there's like a main person that it
has to go through like a crazy vetting process. Now,
so I feel like, I think this missing person is

(53:33):
this unidentified body. They have to like it has to
be checked out by like a bunch of people who
have been certified by the Donut work to do that.
But yeah, you can kind of just like look for
It's almost like that game where you what was the
memory one? Where you turn over a face and you
turn it back over and you have to remember what face.
It's called Memory Thank you. So he also co founded

(53:53):
nam US. It's I think it's supposed to be name US,
but there's no E the National Missing and Unidentified Person's System.
And another thing they do is they they they hire
or they people who who who are who draw portraits
and stuff just for free, Like can we'll take a
dead body and sketch out what the face would look like,

(54:15):
or take a missing person and sketch out what their
face would look like? Now, oh, they all do it
for free. Wow, it's pretty amazing. Next place where we
give money for the T shirts?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
We can discuss it, we can. You can vote on Patreon,
maybe with Karen with Karen is cool with klu klux Klan,
maybe getting the money? How dare you accuse me of that?
Because she loves it?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
All right?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
So, as of two thousand and seven, I couldn't find
any more recent statistics. There's approximately forty thousand unidentified human
remains stowed in backrooms of morgues, buried before they're identified,
and buried in unmarked graves across the country.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
What's that number?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Forty thousand?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Shit?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
And that's two thousand and seven. The National Crime Information
Center records nearly ninety seeing people at any given time,
So forty thousand of those unmarked unidentified people. You know,
there are websites lists seventy successful identity resolutions that the
site has assisted with. Oh that's nice. Thirty six had

(55:16):
occurred within the first five years, and tent Girl was
the first case to be identified by use of the internet. Wow,
isn't that incredible? Todd Matthews, he just like, wasn't obsessive
compulsive with this case? And because of that, so many
families have been able to find out what happened to
their loved ones. And I'm so fascinated with those stories

(55:37):
of like she left home one day and you know,
we thought we'd hear from her again, and we didn't,
and we don't know if she's alive or not. She
might've just fucking moved on and hated our dad and
you know, right, but then they find they're like, you know,
by the side of the road, this person with this
crazy tattoo is found, and why can't we identify this person?
And so they put all this stuff in the thing

(55:59):
and it's very cool. Yeah, tent girl, there's a photo
of her. It looks like a lot like the drawing.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Sad right, well, yeah, but it's like the tragedy that
something good came run.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I know, it's very cool.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Nice And also is nice that idea that like, yeah,
that's if you have. It's just so nice for the
families like that that that idea of just not knowing.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Is so tortuous. Yeah, And I've kind of been wanting
to do I've been thinking a lot lately about like
what kind of how can I volunteer my time in
some way that we're this true crime thing we're doing.
And I'm like, you know, do I work for? Do
I go out volunteer for women's shelter or something like that?
And this is like I feel like that's what these

(56:44):
people are doing. Is they're like, for no, they're not
making any money, they have jobs, they don't need them.
They just want to help find It's just the really
end of these crazy puzzles and piecing these things together.
And they write and if.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
You have that specific ability of like you can draw
you know what they picture or of what they last
looked like or whatever. It's like everybody pitching in what
their specific talent. Yeah, yeah, that's very cool.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I like that. So maybe I'll maybe I'll do something
like that. And I can't draw, but I can look
at tattoos and remember if they were found on dead
bodies or not.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I'm really good at that remembering.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, nice, So that was short one, but I thought
it was No, that was cool. I liked that it
like it's good information. Yeah, that's a good one, totally.
Do you want to read another hometown? We did a minisode,
but should we end with a hometown?

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, I was just thinking, Uh, hold on, really quick, Okay,
what were you thinking. I have Guy Branham's hometown and
I'd forgotten. Oh my goodness, it's two minutes.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Let's listen to it. Guy Branda already. I love him.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
This is my friend Guy Branham, who is a hilarious
stand up comedian. You may know from Chelsea lately. I
know him from He's been in a million things. And
I asked him about his hometown murder from Uba City, California.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Here's what he said, Uba.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
City, California.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
And there was this guy named Juang Corona who was
a migrant farm worker or she was like the guy
who coordinated migrant farm workers for the farmers. And she
had this brother who was gay, who had a Mexican restaurant,
and like the first thing that happened was there was

(58:32):
a dude in a bathroom at the brother's Mexican restaurant,
and then a dude like came out of nowhere and
like macheted him.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
He's like a shing And there was a lawsuit about that,
and then the.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Brother like lost his restaurant, and like that was like
an isolated thing, but then Juan Corona started basically just
comes down to he would get migrant farm workers and
then he would take them to an orchard and he wouldasically.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Say have sex with me.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
He like he would pull out a machete and then
he would force him to have sex with him, and
then he would bury them in a shallow grave.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
And they found like seventeen dudes because.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
All of these guys were a migro farm workers, they
most of them were undocumented. Like most of the good information,
like the people whose names they know are the couple
of white dudes that he did it too.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
He mostly just ended up doing it to Mexican guys.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
But and they like found they found a bunch of
like butcher receipts and stuff from like that would be from.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
His pockets in the shadow.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Graves and he want Corona insists that it was his
gay brother who actually did all of the murdering and
then framed him and then fled to Mexico. And one time,
when I was like about seven, our dog showed up
with what my mom insists was a human femur, and

(01:00:02):
my grandpa was like, no, that's a cow steamer, but
my mom was like, we both know what a cow's
Femer looks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Like, oh my god. I mean, in the background the
entire time, my asshole dog Frank is barking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Got your dog? That's why I recorded My hot, sweaty Apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Isn't that so creepy like that you would be that
you're so trapped if you were a migrant farm worker undocumented.
Clearly you can't go to the cops, and there is
a serial killer targeting you, taking people out into orchards.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
That's so sad. It's so and then I think about
those poor families back home who were like, I don't
know what happened to you know, my brother, but I'm
never gonna find out. Right, that's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
Sad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It's very sad. Thanks guy. He's a swell person. I
like him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
He's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
And boy can he dance really nice. Well, I guess
that's it. Yeah, thank you, thank you for listening. Thank
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(01:01:17):
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Don't get MOI did Elvis?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Do you want a cookie? Cookie?

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WHOA nice