July 13, 2023 • 49 mins
On today's episode, Georgia and Karen are joined by Roz Hernandez, host of Exactly Right’s newest podcast, Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez, premiering Monday, July 17th.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and welcome to my Favorite Murder.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's George Hartstar and that's Karen kil Gariff.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And we're very giggly and excited today because we have
a very special episode for you. We are so excited
to be announcing that we have a very spooky new
podcast that's joining the exactly right family. Vulture actually called
it one of the best comedy podcasts of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's right, we are talking to none other than the
host of Ghosted by Roz Hernandez. Please welcome the one,
the only Roz Hernandez.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Oh my god, this is HABOOI habo. This is in
say n you, guys, thank you so much for just
so many things. I'm sure I'll say thank you, thank you,
thank you as long as I know you. But this
is like, this is I can't believe I'm my favorite
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murder right now. This is God here. Well, okay, I'm
so happy. I don't want to be that girl. But
like I was listening a long time ago, like Karen
already knows, I'm a do you need a ride? I'm
a dinar die hard and I have been for years.
And then when I started hearing chirps about this murder podcast.
(01:37):
I got right in there and I have been murder
reno for a very very long time, and you guys
are so inspiring to me and I think the world
are you both?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Ah right back at you, Thanks us, Thanks all right,
goodbye guys, bye, goodbye.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So much fun.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So let's talk about ghosty stuff, because that's like your
that's your wheelhouse, like that's what you love, that's what you're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Bringing, your bringing over to the network.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
What a great Sorry to use the phrase filling a
hole on the network, but this, you know, the super
natural parapsychological it's the reserve area we have yet to visit,
and you have this great pre existing podcast that now
gets to be here with us.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We're so excited.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, and I've always felt like True crime and the
paranormal they're definitely like cousins, the two of us, Like
they've definitely they've met a few times at the family
you know, reunion. But yeah, there's definitely differences there, and
I think the paranormal there's a little bit more. And
Georgia and I were just talking about this because she
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is the first guest on my my new relaunch, and
we're started talking about this, Like the paranormal, there's a
little bit more freedom to explore because really all of
it is on at the end of the day, so
there's kind of that fun element of mystery to it.
But you know, it can be morbid, it can be
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it can be very scary in a way. That is,
if you look at horror movies. Most horror movies are
either in one way or another like supernatural or a
killer or something, so it's sort of the other end
of it. But it can also lead us to conversations
about spirituality, science, you know, so many different things that
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are all kind of encapsulated in the paranormal and and
I just love it. Yeah, I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Tell everyone how long you've been doing the podcast? How
did you start it? And like what was your We
just loved talking about it so much and everyone has
a story, right.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well, it's funny because there are parallels between like me
and you guys, and you guys are a huge inspiration
to me. And like I remember hearing that you guys
met or you were talking at a party about this
kind of stuff, and that's sort of me too with ghosts.
You know. To answer your question, I've been doing this
podcast my whole life. It just wasn't recorded, right. I mean,
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I would just go up to people and grab them
by the lapel and say, tell me a ghost story.
So it's my favorite thing to talk about. I find
it endlessly interesting. I just have always been curious. Particularly
living here in Los Angeles, we all kind of know
just the most kooky, interesting people. We know a lot
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of creatives. I hate to sound kind of cheesy, but
we are storytellers, you know, and so some of the
best stories you could hear are from creative people. And
so I was constantly just asking people their ghost stories.
And I grew up in a house that I believe
was haunted by my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Tell us everything, yes, please.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Okay, Well the house was built by my grandparents, and
she sadly died while living in that house. And then
we moved in, and I just I had a couple
of moments that, like one in particular that always stands
out with Like this night I was laying in bed
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and I just I was really scared for some reason,
and I woke up and she was hovering. I mean,
the category was ghost and she was tens across the board.
She knew every story I ever tell about childhood. I
was ten, it's just in my mind, like I don't know,
but I was probably like ten or something, and she
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was like fully knew the assignment. Like good for her.
She was like serving ghost, like floaty see through, looked
at me, gave me a look that was like you're
gonna be okay, and just sort of like just poof, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Dissipay it. Oh yes, did it scay you? Or did
it feel like a good experience? Because it was like
someone who loves you.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's the thing, whether you're living or dead, if you
show up in my bedroom at night, I don't care
if you're my grandma or not. If you show up
all of a sudden and the door is shut and
I don't know how you got in there and then
you disappear, it's gonna be scary to me. I'm sorry, Grandma,
I love you so much, but it was scary to me,
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and so of course, like naturally, I'm like just terrified
at all times, like where is she gonna pop up next?
But I think it was a good like growing up
with that experience, I think I think it was a
good uh starting point, especially when I hear people's stories
that I'm like, Okay, I got lucky with the ghosts
that I had because it was my loving grandma. I mean,
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she passed when I was six, and so there was
always kind of a theory that I formed in my head,
like maybe she just she wanted more time with me
because I have another cousin who's the same age as me.
And years later she had house sat for my parents
and she was like, remember how you used to say
as a kid that Grandma was around, Like yeah, she's
like I heard her, Like I literally heard her. She
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was like walking upstairs and she yelled my grandpa's name
from the top of the stairs. So I'm like, maybe
it has to do with the fact that we were
both like the youngest, or we were so young when
she died. I don't know. My parents are like, we
don't we've never seen her.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But they always say don't they or have you heard
this before? Where it's like kids are more open minded,
like kids are kind of open to stuff like that,
or they're just more accepting so they're able.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
To see stuff that adults are tuned down.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And I usually hear that with like toddlers
and whatever. I mean it could be. It could I'm
also very skeptical of all of this stuff, to be honest,
including my own experiences.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's what I love about your podcast is it's like,
it's not the definitive ghost exists podcast. Hey, let's explore
this idea because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I like to joke that I'm constantly like, come on,
how do you not believe this? Like, but I really
I just love it because we don't know the answers.
That's the fun of it. So yeah, I don't like
to listen to anyone that tells me like that is
a that's a ghost, and here's why that's a ghost,
and this is what happens when you die, like we
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don't know. Calm down. So so yeah, when I look
back at my own experiences, sometimes I'm like, well, I
do have my whole life. I've kind of always enjoyed
being the most interesting person in the room. Did I
just make this up so I could have a good story?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, but who knows? Either way, anything's possible. That's
how I feel too.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, when we talked and I told you my childhood
ghost stories, I was the whole time being like, well
that Little Georgia was like I had an active imagination, right,
or maybe there was a ghast leak in the house.
So I don't fucking buy it at all, but it
happened to me too.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But you know what's beautiful about this stuff is, at
the end of the day, who knows, who knows, but
we are coming together and talking about this stuff. And
I think particularly having you know, public figures, having you guys,
not having all kinds of people on that have fan
bases or just that you know, I only have on
people that I really love and enjoy and a lot
(09:25):
of times I don't know their thoughts on this stuff,
and it's it's a cool way to connect with them
and hear them share this stuff, which it leads to
you know, broader conversations again about like their spirituality or
they're just just their views on life. And sometimes they've
never even pondered it. It's a lot of pondering. We
like to just sort of, you know, just explore our
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minds and think about it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's also interesting when people are like, that's absolutely not real.
I think it's like those kinds of people that need
to be black and white about it, and it's always
like wait, are you scared? Like what is it about
this topic that's making you need to be It's the
same people who are like astrology is not real and
it's like, oh, okay, I guess it's only existed for
two thousand years. Yeah, that kind of thing where it's like,
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are you the kind of brain that needs that to
not be real the way I am with aliens? Or
are you open minded person that's kind of like anything
is possible in this mysterious world we live.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
In, right, But that's when you start getting into you know,
a lot of what I do on the show is
like looking at historical accounts and talking to even listeners
and people from all over the world, and you hear like, okay,
this stuff happens literally everywhere as long as you know
people have been recording things. I don't know. There seems
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like there might be something to it, even if it's
something in our minds. What is it? We don't know?
But yes, sure is fun.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We get a lot of those people right into the minisodes,
and like you mentioned before, when it's Toddler's so it's
like Toddler's pointing to a picture and being like that's
the lady from my room where it's like you can't
unless the person is straight up deciding to write an
email with a full online it. They're telling you a
thing that there's only one way that could be happening, right,
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like that idea, and that's a uniform kind of story
that goes around where it's like my daughter was talking
to herself and her crib.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And then pointed out my grandmother in a picture. Whatever.
I love those.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Ones, right, or like if you have someone that witnesses
it with you, like anything, you get those little bits
of validation. Or sometimes I hear about these like haunted
hotels for example, or just like public places that people
frequent and they'll go to the front desk and they'll
be like, oh my god, the craziest thing just happened.
And they'll be like the man with the pipe and
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they're like yeah, like how do you know? And it's
like people have been reborn in him for years. Oh
my god, the man with the pipe.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Whenever we go to like we go to these old
theaters when we're on tour, and we're like immediately asked
the security guards or whoever, like this place is haunted, right,
because it's just this feeling of these old buildings and
you grew up in Michigan, right, so like, yeah, you
are around some older buildings. In la we don't really
have those, but like you can feel the lives that
have been lived there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Oh, totally. In theaters, I mean, theaters are all haunted
always and they're my favorite place in the world. I
love theaters. And there's a lot of theories around why
they're haunted, and that's the kind of thing I like
too with my approaches. I like to entertain any possible
theory that people have. But a lot of it has
to do with energy of humans coming together and that
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energy could fuel it and maybe keep it around. People
that work in theaters are so connected to them. I
mean there's certain venues that I perform at that I'm like,
I think this is where I would go when it's over, Like,
I just love it here. This is like my second home.
And you have your most exciting moments, your sad moments,
your whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There's just such a strong connection that we have to
these places. And also they're old and people die in them,
so there's a lot of reasons why they could be haunted.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And then if you're there, if you've decided to spend
eternity in a theater. At least you're seeing a new
show every night every couple of months.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You get entertained.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, and you see these prices these days, this inflation.
I tell you, these theater tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You got to haunt it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, where would you haunt? If you could pick a
place to haunt, where would it be? I think it
would be a theater, probably, Which one? Is there one
that you like?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I always talk about my favorite place in Los Angeles. Listen,
I don't get on much, but I've lived here since
two thousand and nine and I really do love it
here in Los Angeles. And my favorite place in Los
Angeles is Casita del Campo Kelly Mexican restaurant that's in
Silver Lake, sort of east of Hollywood and very queer friendly,
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family owned establishment that's been around since the sixties. And
I just love it so much. And there was a
theater in the basement that I did a ton of
shows in and the food is great, And I think
I talked about it lesson was on diner with you.
I love that place so much, and I think that's
probably where I would go.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's perfect.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That place is like ripe for haunting because it's got
the like Mexican restaurant you know, booth la vibe that
is just so special. Yeah, and they have great crab
and shiladas, so like you could just eat that if
you ever ghost.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
There's just a good vibe there. I really like it,
and I mean Mexican food and fun, campy drag shows
like can't where else would I want to haunt? Are
you kidding me? Well?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Speaking of that, Roz people, longtime listeners of Ghosted by
Roz Hernandez know that the original title of this show
was Ghosted by Roz Dres Fales. Let's talk about the change.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay. So I was a full time drag queen five
to seven nights a week. Honey, I was out there.
I was doing the gigs. Honey.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh my feet hurt just hearing that the shoes you
must wear?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, oh my god. I mean I was pretty lazy.
But it started out. Yes, it did start out with
some uncomfortable shoes. But my drag name was Raz Dres Fleas.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
One of the greats. I have to say. Anyone I
mentioned that drag name too, is like, that's the best
drag name. Yeah, totally it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I just love the name Roz. And you know, I'm
a Frans but you know, growing up male, you know,
I assigned. I always just really looked up to like
no nonsense kind of ladies. And I always thought of
like a Ras, Like yeah, that's kind of that name
is a Ras and it's just like three letters with
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a Z at the end.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's so true.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
She's the office manager who like takes no shit and like, yeah,
doesn't want to fucking hear.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It, like a bartender lady that you know. I just
love that and I feel like I had and if
I would that, if that, if that can be considered
a gender, like that's what my gender really is, is
like no nonsense bar lady. I actually at Casita del
Campo the theater there was backstage working with the family
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of Wonderful Performance that I worked with down there, and
a couple of years ago, you know, I was really
not quite transitioning yet, and I had recently gotten sober,
and I was just trying to figure out what to
do with my life, and and somebody had mentioned the
name Roz back there, and I was like, yes, like
that's me. And then I just blurted out Ra's dress fales,
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and that's sort of became my name and I started
doing drag. So anyway, the podcast started when I was basically,
you know, just living my life as a drag queen
all the time, and so it did go by Ro's
dress fales, and then like pandemic times, I was like,
I don't know, like I love wearing you know, ladies clothes,
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being seen with she her pronouns, and I really came
to terms with like, okay, I think I'm trans and
maybe I should not have a comedy name anymore. So
I just kept the raws and used my real name,
last name of Hernandez. So that's basically and then I
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changed the name to Ghosted by Rows Hernandez. I mean,
same birds. I'm pretty much the exact same person as
I was in drag.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You are, except can I just say this because the
first time I saw you after you transition, we were
at the Lady to Lady party.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh yeah, you were standing with Sam Pancake.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I walked in and of course, you know, the entry
of any party is like the most stressful, where I'm
literally like in a panic, searching for a place to
land and I've known Sam Pancake since I moved to
LA one hundred years ago, and so I saw him
and just ran straight over to his side, didn't really
even look around, and started talking to him. And you
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were standing next to him, but I honestly assumed.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I was like, that must be his agent or.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
PR.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Lady was just this tall, gorgeous lady that was standing
next to Sam, and I'm like, she must be in
the industry or something. And then like we Sam and
I exchanged a couple things. Then I turned to you
and I was like hi, and you go, Karen's wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And I go, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And it was just like it was really exciting because
you were amazing and a gorgeous drag queen. But you're
a gorgeous woman. I mean, you're just a gorgeous woman.
It made me feel really excited for you. You know,
thank you there is yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean, I loved wearing gigantic wigs. It was
really really fun. I've since, you know, given them away.
I gave one to Bridger when I did his podcast
as a gift.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Wow, that's a good gift.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, my neck feels a lot better now. I don't
have to carry those and it's crazy how people treat
you like different in a good way. I mean usually
like I would walk into a room pretty much saying, everyone,
stare at me, look at me. My hair is gigantic
and like I'm huge, and like now I get to
sort of just like lend in a little bit more,
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which I like, you know, it's nice. Everything's been really
really cool since then, and I think that like it's
sort of where I'm at in life is just a
lot more like getting real. And I think even when
I started my podcast has been a journey for me
as well, because I didn't know as much about the
paranormal at the time, and I was more willing to
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believe anything that someone told me. And now I don't
get me wrong, I don't doubt people because again I
don't know the actual answers. But I think I'm just
I've got I'm in a place in my life, and
I think with my transition was a part of it
of just like okay, let's like let's really get down
to like the truth. The facts give me the cold
how facts I don't know, I don't know what I'm
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saying here, but like.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But like having a little skepticism going on.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, I just think my whole life is kind of
transitioned in a way that is still really fun and
having more fun with the reality of the circumstances that
I'm in as opposed to like in the past, I
think I was more like I need to make this
whole world of fantasy, and now I'm just like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Know, now you're real like Roz Hernandez, you're taking that
Roz approach, but you were talking.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
About before and ros and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You're rosing it up.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Do you guys remember when Tommy Hilthegger's daughter had a
reality show, like in the early two thousands. Oh yeah,
she's crying on the phone to someone because she became
an adult and she goes, my childhood was just so whimsical,
and now it's like reality. And I just remember being
like a whimsical childhood, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Can you just must have been nice?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, So like you're a whimsical side or you want
to make all of life whimsical and a fantasy. It
is like so much fun, but it's not you know,
it's not sustainable. Probably meant for mental health.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Right, I think it was definitely good for me to
live my life as a drag queen. The way that
I did it was a good stepping stone, like I
think I needed that rather than going from like zero
to one hundred, Like it was a really fun way
to have like an exploratory phase of my life for
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a number of years before getting to where I am. Now. Yeah,
now we're here.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And you're such a hilarious comic and performer. So I
do think that that, in my opinion, drag is it's
my favorite. It's the funniest. To me, it's the riskiest.
It's really like a high wire act. And so when
you're doing drag, or for what I've seen, when people
do drag, it's like you have to bring the goods.
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You're doing crowd work. Sometimes you're doing crowd work involuntarily.
You have to have hard jokes, you have to have
a great personality. Like there's a lot going on, And
I think, what an amazing start where you kind of
cut your teeth on like the highest level of that
kind of comedy performing and now you're just doing stand
up as yourself and you just get to enjoy stand
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up on like a more authentic maybe level, but also
just a little less I don't know, I think you
don't have to be as brave, you just kind of
get to be yourself in a little more casual it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Definitely I think has given me tools in all forms
of my life from being a drag queen and like, also,
I keep saying this, but like so much I was
a drag queen so much, like all the time, I
was a damn drag queen. And you know when I
used to be in clubs, I've always been a talker.
Can you surprise sharing the club I've always like to
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talk more than like lip sync or doing any of
that stuff. And like I would go to these clubs
and get on the microphone and it's like, there's the
hottest guys you've ever seen that are making eyes at
each other. People are friends that just got off work,
they're all together, they're drinking, there's Britney Spears playing, Like
why would they pay attention to me? And so I
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think that's probably why I'm so loud and aggressive, because
I had to learn to be like, here's why I matter, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right, surprised to get trained?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Can we talk about your shirt because you have an
amazing alien black light type T shirt on right, now
that I'm obsessed to my thank you. How about aliens, Like,
I know, we talked about that on the podcast and
it's and Karen hates it.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I do, well, I don't hate you guys talking about
I just I just hate the potential reality of it.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm very fascinated by it, but it gets tricky because
it's a little bit conspiracy and yeah, that can also
you know, when we talk about murder and the paranormal
being cousins, that's cute, but some of the cousins to
conspiracy theories in this day and age, that's that family. Yeah,
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so the off ye, So I like to touch on
it because I do think it's a part of this conversation. Obviously,
ghosts are my favorite, but there's you know, also cryptid
creatures for example, like Bigfoot and lackness and that sort
of thing where I think it's all could be connected.
Who knows, like stuff that we can never seem to
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catch in a tangible way like maybe it's a maybe
it's a ghost, maybe it's a time travel thing, maybe
it's I don't know. I'm definitely fascinated by UFOs. I
do think that they're real. I think that they come
in peace. In my opinion, they're way smarter than us.
They're above us. They could do whatever they wanted to us,
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and they don't. Yeah, a lot of people report communicating
with them, and the stories seem to revolve around them
being like, hey, get your shit together. We're up here
looking at you guys, and like it is rough down
there on earth, Like you guys need to recycle. You
need to like you got some problem. Let's start with
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the recycling and we'll go from there. So I think
that they come in peace. I don't know where they're from.
I don't know what's in the damn ocean, Like, I
don't know if that's where they're from. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I love the idea that there's already quote, you know,
an alien or a time someone has already time traveled
and they're living among.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Us, you know. I guess, Like I guess.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think that Men in Black is a documentary and
I love the idea that. But that's how cats for
sure are fucking aliens and positive you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Start talking about octapussies, the octopi whatever it is there,
Yeah that's something.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, they're smart, too smart, But what about I was
just listening to a podcast and people wrote in their
creepy stories. But somebody wrote in about working in the
sewer and thinking that they saw an alien life form
in the sewer, and then as he began to describe it,
I grabbed the phone and just started skipping. I was like, no, no, no, no,
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no no no. Like the idea that aliens are already
here and kind of like sitting around us.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh that I just can't. It really makes me.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It feels like, well that will then begin the end
of the world, is what it feels like.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Well, I've done that to you guys before, Like because
to me, like ghosts and alien stuff, hearing about it
definitely spooks me out sometimes, but it really does when
I'm anytime I've ever like stayed at a haunted place
or like someone's house has a ghost, Like, I'm no,
but the murder stuff really scares me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, yeah, because it's real.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's very Would you rather stay in like a known
haunted house or like a known murder house.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Or like a place where there's a murder around the
loose that's the equivalent to me.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Really, I'm talking about like there has been a murder
in this house.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
But then wouldn't that be a haunted house possibly?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Maybe, Yeah, that makes sense hand in hand and all that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, I guess the ghost I don't sleep. Yeah. There's
been a few times where I've like gone ghost hunting
with people where I'm like, Okay, let's go to this
haunted hotel. It's gonna be so fun. And I think
that the understanding is we're gonna stay up all night.
We're going to you know, set up some equipment or whatever.
We're gonna have a good time, we're gonna listen to
(27:52):
some music, whatever. No, I forget that people go to
bed and they're not terrified, and then it always ends
up with them sleeping in me just like shivering.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, going grandma, Grandma.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I kind of want to stay at a haunted house
just to like test myself.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That seems like like a feat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I absolutely think you should because I want any excuse
to have you back on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I want an experience a rule one as an adult,
I say, as I as my house like is like,
all right, bitch, this is happening.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So well, speaking of murder houses and things like that,
do you have a hometown murder that you want to
tell us about, since this is still my favorite murder,
I do.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Now it's not technically hometown hometown. I mean I've lived
here since two thousand and nine, so like this as
far as I'm concerned, like this is where I live
and pretty much I'm from. It happened here, and it
happened a number of years ago. Okay, here's the story,
and I want to make it clear that this is
(29:07):
just my little teeny involvement in this story. Of course,
this is an actual tragedy happened. It's sort of that
thing where like I don't know if there's like a
water explosion in the street or something. Everyone has their
side of the story, like they're about to write a
book about it. And it's like I really was very
(29:28):
minimally involved in this, but it did mess up me
a little bit, Like it definitely has stuck with me.
What happened? Which have I set it up enough? I
was at the previously mentioned Sam Pancake. Sam Pancake, you're
not familiar. He's my best friend in the whole wide world,
(29:51):
and he's a brilliant comedic actor and truly the funniest
person ever and love, love, love him. And this was
a number of years ago, maybe six seven years something
like that ago. I'm at his home and I should
probably set up the lay of the land here. So
(30:11):
he lived in a guest house of television's Busy Phillips,
and she lived in the main you know house at
the top of like a hill, and Sam was actually
in the front. The guest house was in the front
of the main house, and then there was a staircase
that led past the front guesthouse up to the main house.
(30:35):
And then there was a gate from the staircase to
the streets, so that people, you know, wouldn't just enter
the property. It was gonna say, summer night. We were
watching RuPaul's drag Race. Sam and I we were really
invested at the time, and we're probably eating some popcorn,
maybe drinking a Lacroix pample Moose and having a great time,
(30:59):
just nice, nice, innocent time. And his window is open,
the window to where the staircase leading up to the
stairs or leading up to the main house is, and
I look out the window and I see a young
man staring into the window, and I make eye contact
(31:21):
with him, and I took a beat and I was
staring at him, like because I was at this house
every day and it was just really out of the
ordinary that there would be someone there. He just seemed lost,
you know, the way he was looking in and I
was freaked out and I was I kind of froze,
and I said to Sam, like, Sam, there's a guy
(31:44):
like right there, like look out the window. So then
Sam looks too, and he's like, hey, what are you
doing or whatever. He was kind of he was talking
about like how he was lost or he needed a
job or something, and I remember he had a pizza
menu in his hand and he had a bag with him,
(32:06):
and we were kind of just like sorry, like we
can't help you. It was really you know, I always
want to help people, but it was kind of inappropriate
or whatever. Like it was like it was it was
kind of scary, to be honest, like.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, violating almost like to come on and look in
your home, that's that's a yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And not even just from the street like on the property.
So we were kind of just like you gotta go,
you gotta like please whatever, And he took his time
and then left and made his way down the street,
and we kind of peeked out and kept our eye
on him. And that's pretty much my whole involvement of
the story. But I've come back the next day. Again,
(32:48):
I was at this house all the time. I come
back the next day and Sam comes out and he goes,
oh my god, the one of the neighbors got murdered.
And my first thought was, wait, do you think it
was that guy? And then you know, message boards or
like local neighborhood things started kind of saying like we
(33:09):
did see this guy and whatever, and somebody saw a
guy of that exact same description leaving the scene of
the house. It was really scary, but at this point
we didn't know it was just it was just weird,
like that was a weird thing that happened that night.
And then we also know that somebody got murdered. And
then Sam has a little bit more to the story.
(33:31):
I think because he lived there, he had a little
bit more involvement with the homicide detectives and talking to them.
But weirdly, because again I was at this place, this
house every day, they came over to talk to Sam
when I was there, and you know, told our side
(33:52):
of the story. And I want to say that was
maybe a couple days later or something. And then a
year later I was at the house again and they
came back again, just knock on the door and came
in be like we got more questions, and I happened
to be there again, and I'll never forget. I asked
(34:14):
the detective what you know if they ever found out
a motive, and he said, as far as we know
he was, he's just looking to kill someone, you know.
That was sort of what he told me.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So it was definitely the guy that was creeping around.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, it was definitely him. And I guess the person
that he murdered was just house sitting and was staying
in the house and the guy had broken in. And
when I think, I think he came, if I'm not mistaken,
he he broke into the house and then the guy
(34:50):
came home and he bludgeoned him. Yeah, so it was
just really scary. And and after that, not gonna lie,
I did take a break from my favor murder just because, yeah,
it kind of like made things a little personal for me.
Like I noticed, like not that long after that, I
(35:13):
got really weird around windows being open, and anytime windows
are open open, I get really uncomfortable, but I have
like no tolerance for being in a place at night
time when there's no curtains drawn and there's people can
see in. That scares me so much. And it's like
(35:33):
something that has stayed with me. And I think that
there's just something about staring at that guy right in
the eyes a couple hours before that happened, and it's
crossed my mind before, like what if Sam was alone
or you know, yes, it just I don't know it
really it really messed me up. But it's again, the
(35:55):
story is not about me, though, Like I really want
that to be clear. It's just something that I have.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, it's your we want your you know, take on
the whole thing, and I totally understand that that would
be so like so frightening.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well also it's it's your real experience, So it's it's
very considered of you because you're like, this isn't about me,
and this certainly wasn't the worst for you, but it
still is bad for you because you know, it's like
whatever Sam did to make that guy leave and not, uh,
it's just that's almost like by chance that that guy
(36:28):
chose to do what Sam asked him to do. I mean,
that's that's a very scary near mess. And it's also
kind of that thing of like this is living in
the city. This is you know, this is kind of
like what what city living can sometimes bring, which is
like gates don't keep people out and and there is
just random, random murder that is inexplicable and for no
(36:53):
reason and just horrifying. I mean, that's oh so scary.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, and then I had to and then I house
set for busy that summer, and like she had cats
that I was taking care of. In every little click
clack of the cats that I heard, I was grabbing
kitchen knives like I was, oh my god. Yeah, I'm
very scared of this kind of thing. I mean, I
don't want to ever feel like you're never safe, but
(37:19):
like I fit, I get what you mean.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
When I walk by people's houses at night and they
have their curtains open, I am like, what are you
trying to accomplish right now? Like they like, privacy is
like the least of your problems. I can see right
into your house right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Also, you're not that hot, like stop, like we don't
need to see you right now eating your dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right and you're kind of boring. You're watching Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Again, like we don't need to, we don't care. Yeah,
that scares the shit.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I am very much a closed window person too, which
is so boring and I hate it. But yeah, you
can't get pack, like you can't be into true crime
and then also not kind of be paranoid a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, or at least careful careful, you know, it's be careful.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Right, And it's like I think sometimes when you consume
a lot of true crime, you do kind of learn
what people are capable of, and you know it. It
in some ways can prepare you. You know, I think
I think so, I think I am. I think I
could classify myself as paranoid. It's definitely a fine line
(38:23):
between like being careful and paranoid. Like I just try
to I wear rings all the time because I'm like
if someone tries, like, I'm gonna sock them.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean it sucks because, like, like you said,
you're not wrong these people. There are people that exist
out there that could do these things. So you're are
you paranoid or are you just oh really aware of
what actually happens in real life?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, you're forced to be aware because you had
a very specific experience that taught you to be aware.
Like it's not like you and Sam made that up
or assumed or some thing that was actually a thing
that happened. And then it was confirmed that it was
the same guy. That's that's so scary.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, and from what I heard, there was a lot
of people in the neighborhood that had the same same story.
Literally like he was on the property, we tell him
to go away, like yeah, wow, but it happened that night.
So it's just so crazy, very scary. And then like
(39:27):
meeting the homicide detectives and stuff, it was that was
its own experience of yeah, I grew up real into
Colombo and yeah, and so of course I'm like I was,
I swear I was like, I'm already like thinking that
I'm a suspect.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
When I lived in Burbank, there was a shooting and
I had Burbank PD detectives come to my house. And
the thing I was noticed where I'm like, oh, I
thought this was just on TV. They wear really nice suits,
they're dressed, they're dressed to the nines, and they're they're
there with their notebook, like we need to ask you
a couple of questions if you saw anything, and I
(40:07):
totally did that thing where I saw nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I heard the noise.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It was blocks away from my house, but I did
go out in my backyard and just kind of look around,
and so I just wanted to say something to them.
So I was like, I heard it and I looked,
but there wasn't anything, and They're like, thanks, okay, thanks,
walk away. Where I'm like, I just want to you know,
I don't know. I want to help and be a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
But that's what they deal with all day. And like
these guys they really like I could just tell there
was two of them, and I could tell that they
were the kind of guys that were, like, you know,
people make TV shows based on people like us, Like
they were so like they just I don't know, I
can't even imagine the things that those guys see for real.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Dude, for sure, Well before we go, I think we
need I think Karen Rozie and I talked about this
and I and I couldn't answer the question of does
the Luckness Monster exist? Because I feel like if Karen
found out I said no, that would be a real problem.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
You've already said no, to my face. I know you
don't think it exists.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
I think, but I think things exist in.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
The water that don't that we don't know about and
don't make sense.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Just not my personal theory of that all the lakes
are connected by underground tunnels. I got my hands on
a book when I was like seventeen that was like
I can't remember. It was, you know, Mysterious California or
something like that, and there was like all this stuff.
I'm sure it was like one dude writing it up
straight out of his own head. But there are all
(41:42):
these kind of cryptid theories in that. So you mentioned
the cryptids in your kind of list of the stuff
that you talk about. Do you think Bigfoot is real?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I think anything is possible. I don't know, say my
biggest like, you know, say I'm a superhero or a
TV character like my my crutch or whatever is that.
I hate the outdoors. But if I didn't, I can
find anyone. You kidding me. You give me a couple
(42:15):
of context clues and a good Wi Fi password, I
will find everything. I'm sorry, but we need to get you.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
That TV show stat you hating the wilderness but going
in defined Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
And I've thought about how can we do this because
I'm like, I don't like bugs, I'm afraid of snakes.
Like I'm just I don't know what it would I
would have to be like piggyback ride on somebody with
like a whole net around my body.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
What if you're a drone operator? Okay, you could do it.
You could do it from like a a home base.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I like that idea, right, But I think I would
find Bigfoot. I Bigfoot's a tough one. Do you think
that photo is real? Like the famous video the Patterson gimblins, Yeah,
oh no, It's like that is like its own full story.
(43:09):
There's so much to it. But I think it's definitely possible.
The way that I rationalize the possibility, like for me,
my leading theory is that it would have to be
some kind of creature that is not like a bear
or like a human. It's it would have to be
a creature with some kind of magic powers that can
(43:33):
make it disappear. And people have reported like seeing tracks
that end. You know, whoever it is, they don't want
to be seen, they don't want to be talked about.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
It'd probably be a lot more boring like you're saying
it's like kind of like a bear with that can
walk like this, and it's like, oh, that's it. I
think like the mystery around it and Locknest is like
way more interesting because then all.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Of a sudden, if we find out then it's yeah,
it's just a type of animal, Like that's not fun.
I like calling that big Foot and like it's this
a weird, mysterious thing. And particularly that original Bigfoot, it's
theorized that it was a woman Bigfoot, and she's curvy,
(44:17):
her hair is like actually really silky if you like
look at her like she's a sick name. I love her.
I didn't know that Bigfoot. I love a lady with
big feet. I feel seen.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Representation matter.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
It really does.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Roz, You're so delightful.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It's very exciting that we get to have someone who
is our friend and such a hilarious comic and talent
come and do a podcast with our network. We're just
so thrilled to have you. Thank you so much for
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
God, this is it's just a dream. I mean, I've
been so my experience so far recording with this network
that you guys have created, Like you guys You've got
the best people. Everybody is so cool, they know what
they're doing, like it's just it's just been wonderful. They
(45:15):
all make me feel like a million bucks. They get it,
they like they have put so much time into this,
and you know, this is something that I my show.
It's a silly little show, but I've been really I'm
really passionate about I really love having these conversations with people,
and I really do feel seen by youtwo and the network,
(45:36):
and it just it feels, really, it feels really good.
And I'm so excited for all the new people that
are going to be listening to all these weird, silly
conversations that I've been having for the past four years.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
We're big fans and we're so glad you're here. We
can't wait.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I can't wait for the.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Christmas party this year because you're gonna make it even
more fun.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Oh ridiculous, I can't wait. Yeah, let me give a
little blurb to the people like you tune in to
the show. You're gonna get famous people, funny people. You
listening to this, you could come on. I just want
to talk about ghosts. Poulter, guys, psychics, cryptids, UFOs, all
(46:18):
that kind of mysterious stuff that we don't have the
answers to, and we keep it fun. We keep it
funny for the most part. It stays pretty light. And
I have just truly my favorite people on and we
laugh and we laugh, and Karen was on. Karen has
the most epic ghost story of all time. Unfortunately, when
(46:40):
I recorded with her, it was like the beginning of
the pandemic. But you'll get over the bad sound after
a couple of minutes. But you have to hear if
you've never heard Karen Kogerv's ghost story, because it is
truly what movies are made of.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, it was crazy, and it really opened the door
for me to entertain every other possibility in the world,
which is like, well, if that happened, then really anything
can happen, which is as scary as it is fun.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Yeah, and I think that hearing people's stories makes you
also be like, wait, maybe this is real or like,
I don't know. Sometimes, especially when you hear from like
public figures, it's like some of these people are kind
of like reluctant to share this because they know that
people will be like, you're lying and you're crazy you've
lost your mind whatever, and it is vulnerable to share
(47:32):
your experiences like this with people. And I don't think
that these people are lying, right, So you know, if
I ever sniff that out, it's not making it to
the air. So whatever is posted, it's people that I
at least, and you know, I'm raws. I'm a no
nonsense bar keeper. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's right gatekeeper. Yes, you're gatekeeping true goot stories.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Exactly nice. Well, guys.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
New episodes of Ghosted by Roz Hernandez are out on
mondays here on the Exactly Right Network, and George's the
first guest, so give it listen.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Karen's ghost stories from an episode in twenty twenty, so
check that out.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
On Roz's back catalog.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
And while you're there, check out all the amazing episodes
she's already done. And please remember to like, review and subscribe,
which is like your payment for a free podcast is
to like, review and subscribe.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Okay, and Roz, thank you so much for being here
with us today, and welcome to the exactly Right family.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
We're so happy to have your stay sexy and don't
get murdered.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Good Bye, Elvis.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Do you want a cookie? This has been an exactly
right production. Our producer is Alejandra Keek. Our senior producer
is Hannah Kyle Crichton.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
This episode was engineered by Stephen Ray Morris and mixed
by John Bradley.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Our researcher is Maren mcclashan.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
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Hello, and welcome to my Favorite Murder.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's George Hartstar and that's Karen kil Gariff.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And we're very giggly and excited today because we have
a very special episode for you. We are so excited
to be announcing that we have a very spooky new
podcast that's joining the exactly right family. Vulture actually called
it one of the best comedy podcasts of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's right, we are talking to none other than the
host of Ghosted by Roz Hernandez. Please welcome the one,
the only Roz Hernandez.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Oh my god, this is HABOOI habo. This is in
say n you, guys, thank you so much for just
so many things. I'm sure I'll say thank you, thank you,
thank you as long as I know you. But this
is like, this is I can't believe I'm my favorite
(01:13):
murder right now. This is God here. Well, okay, I'm
so happy. I don't want to be that girl. But
like I was listening a long time ago, like Karen
already knows, I'm a do you need a ride? I'm
a dinar die hard and I have been for years.
And then when I started hearing chirps about this murder podcast.
(01:37):
I got right in there and I have been murder
reno for a very very long time, and you guys
are so inspiring to me and I think the world
are you both?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Ah right back at you, Thanks us, Thanks all right,
goodbye guys, bye, goodbye.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
So much fun.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So let's talk about ghosty stuff, because that's like your
that's your wheelhouse, like that's what you love, that's what you're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Bringing, your bringing over to the network.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
What a great Sorry to use the phrase filling a
hole on the network, but this, you know, the super
natural parapsychological it's the reserve area we have yet to visit,
and you have this great pre existing podcast that now
gets to be here with us.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
We're so excited.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Well, and I've always felt like True crime and the
paranormal they're definitely like cousins, the two of us, Like
they've definitely they've met a few times at the family
you know, reunion. But yeah, there's definitely differences there, and
I think the paranormal there's a little bit more. And
Georgia and I were just talking about this because she
(02:47):
is the first guest on my my new relaunch, and
we're started talking about this, Like the paranormal, there's a
little bit more freedom to explore because really all of
it is on at the end of the day, so
there's kind of that fun element of mystery to it.
But you know, it can be morbid, it can be
(03:11):
it can be very scary in a way. That is,
if you look at horror movies. Most horror movies are
either in one way or another like supernatural or a
killer or something, so it's sort of the other end
of it. But it can also lead us to conversations
about spirituality, science, you know, so many different things that
(03:32):
are all kind of encapsulated in the paranormal and and
I just love it. Yeah, I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Tell everyone how long you've been doing the podcast? How
did you start it? And like what was your We
just loved talking about it so much and everyone has
a story, right.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Well, it's funny because there are parallels between like me
and you guys, and you guys are a huge inspiration
to me. And like I remember hearing that you guys
met or you were talking at a party about this
kind of stuff, and that's sort of me too with ghosts.
You know. To answer your question, I've been doing this
podcast my whole life. It just wasn't recorded, right. I mean,
(04:11):
I would just go up to people and grab them
by the lapel and say, tell me a ghost story.
So it's my favorite thing to talk about. I find
it endlessly interesting. I just have always been curious. Particularly
living here in Los Angeles, we all kind of know
just the most kooky, interesting people. We know a lot
(04:32):
of creatives. I hate to sound kind of cheesy, but
we are storytellers, you know, and so some of the
best stories you could hear are from creative people. And
so I was constantly just asking people their ghost stories.
And I grew up in a house that I believe
was haunted by my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Tell us everything, yes, please.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Okay, Well the house was built by my grandparents, and
she sadly died while living in that house. And then
we moved in, and I just I had a couple
of moments that, like one in particular that always stands
out with Like this night I was laying in bed
(05:18):
and I just I was really scared for some reason,
and I woke up and she was hovering. I mean,
the category was ghost and she was tens across the board.
She knew every story I ever tell about childhood. I
was ten, it's just in my mind, like I don't know,
but I was probably like ten or something, and she
(05:41):
was like fully knew the assignment. Like good for her.
She was like serving ghost, like floaty see through, looked
at me, gave me a look that was like you're
gonna be okay, and just sort of like just poof, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Dissipay it. Oh yes, did it scay you? Or did
it feel like a good experience? Because it was like
someone who loves you.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That's the thing, whether you're living or dead, if you
show up in my bedroom at night, I don't care
if you're my grandma or not. If you show up
all of a sudden and the door is shut and
I don't know how you got in there and then
you disappear, it's gonna be scary to me. I'm sorry, Grandma,
I love you so much, but it was scary to me,
(06:27):
and so of course, like naturally, I'm like just terrified
at all times, like where is she gonna pop up next?
But I think it was a good like growing up
with that experience, I think I think it was a
good uh starting point, especially when I hear people's stories
that I'm like, Okay, I got lucky with the ghosts
that I had because it was my loving grandma. I mean,
(06:49):
she passed when I was six, and so there was
always kind of a theory that I formed in my head,
like maybe she just she wanted more time with me
because I have another cousin who's the same age as me.
And years later she had house sat for my parents
and she was like, remember how you used to say
as a kid that Grandma was around, Like yeah, she's
like I heard her, Like I literally heard her. She
(07:12):
was like walking upstairs and she yelled my grandpa's name
from the top of the stairs. So I'm like, maybe
it has to do with the fact that we were
both like the youngest, or we were so young when
she died. I don't know. My parents are like, we
don't we've never seen her.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
But they always say don't they or have you heard
this before? Where it's like kids are more open minded,
like kids are kind of open to stuff like that,
or they're just more accepting so they're able.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
To see stuff that adults are tuned down.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And I usually hear that with like toddlers
and whatever. I mean it could be. It could I'm
also very skeptical of all of this stuff, to be honest,
including my own experiences.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's what I love about your podcast is it's like,
it's not the definitive ghost exists podcast. Hey, let's explore
this idea because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I like to joke that I'm constantly like, come on,
how do you not believe this? Like, but I really
I just love it because we don't know the answers.
That's the fun of it. So yeah, I don't like
to listen to anyone that tells me like that is
a that's a ghost, and here's why that's a ghost,
and this is what happens when you die, like we
(08:24):
don't know. Calm down. So so yeah, when I look
back at my own experiences, sometimes I'm like, well, I
do have my whole life. I've kind of always enjoyed
being the most interesting person in the room. Did I
just make this up so I could have a good story?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You know, but who knows? Either way, anything's possible. That's
how I feel too.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, when we talked and I told you my childhood
ghost stories, I was the whole time being like, well
that Little Georgia was like I had an active imagination, right,
or maybe there was a ghast leak in the house.
So I don't fucking buy it at all, but it
happened to me too.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But you know what's beautiful about this stuff is, at
the end of the day, who knows, who knows, but
we are coming together and talking about this stuff. And
I think particularly having you know, public figures, having you guys,
not having all kinds of people on that have fan
bases or just that you know, I only have on
people that I really love and enjoy and a lot
(09:25):
of times I don't know their thoughts on this stuff,
and it's it's a cool way to connect with them
and hear them share this stuff, which it leads to
you know, broader conversations again about like their spirituality or
they're just just their views on life. And sometimes they've
never even pondered it. It's a lot of pondering. We
like to just sort of, you know, just explore our
(09:47):
minds and think about it.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
It's also interesting when people are like, that's absolutely not real.
I think it's like those kinds of people that need
to be black and white about it, and it's always
like wait, are you scared? Like what is it about
this topic that's making you need to be It's the
same people who are like astrology is not real and
it's like, oh, okay, I guess it's only existed for
two thousand years. Yeah, that kind of thing where it's like,
(10:11):
are you the kind of brain that needs that to
not be real the way I am with aliens? Or
are you open minded person that's kind of like anything
is possible in this mysterious world we live.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
In, right, But that's when you start getting into you know,
a lot of what I do on the show is
like looking at historical accounts and talking to even listeners
and people from all over the world, and you hear like, okay,
this stuff happens literally everywhere as long as you know
people have been recording things. I don't know. There seems
(10:43):
like there might be something to it, even if it's
something in our minds. What is it? We don't know?
But yes, sure is fun.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We get a lot of those people right into the minisodes,
and like you mentioned before, when it's Toddler's so it's
like Toddler's pointing to a picture and being like that's
the lady from my room where it's like you can't
unless the person is straight up deciding to write an
email with a full online it. They're telling you a
thing that there's only one way that could be happening, right,
(11:13):
like that idea, and that's a uniform kind of story
that goes around where it's like my daughter was talking
to herself and her crib.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
And then pointed out my grandmother in a picture. Whatever.
I love those.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Ones, right, or like if you have someone that witnesses
it with you, like anything, you get those little bits
of validation. Or sometimes I hear about these like haunted
hotels for example, or just like public places that people
frequent and they'll go to the front desk and they'll
be like, oh my god, the craziest thing just happened.
And they'll be like the man with the pipe and
(11:46):
they're like yeah, like how do you know? And it's
like people have been reborn in him for years. Oh
my god, the man with the pipe.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Whenever we go to like we go to these old
theaters when we're on tour, and we're like immediately asked
the security guards or whoever, like this place is haunted, right,
because it's just this feeling of these old buildings and
you grew up in Michigan, right, so like, yeah, you
are around some older buildings. In la we don't really
have those, but like you can feel the lives that
have been lived there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Oh, totally. In theaters, I mean, theaters are all haunted
always and they're my favorite place in the world. I
love theaters. And there's a lot of theories around why
they're haunted, and that's the kind of thing I like
too with my approaches. I like to entertain any possible
theory that people have. But a lot of it has
to do with energy of humans coming together and that
(12:36):
energy could fuel it and maybe keep it around. People
that work in theaters are so connected to them. I
mean there's certain venues that I perform at that I'm like,
I think this is where I would go when it's over, Like,
I just love it here. This is like my second home.
And you have your most exciting moments, your sad moments,
your whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There's just such a strong connection that we have to
these places. And also they're old and people die in them,
so there's a lot of reasons why they could be haunted.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
And then if you're there, if you've decided to spend
eternity in a theater. At least you're seeing a new
show every night every couple of months.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You get entertained.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, and you see these prices these days, this inflation.
I tell you, these theater tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
You got to haunt it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, where would you haunt? If you could pick a
place to haunt, where would it be? I think it
would be a theater, probably, Which one? Is there one
that you like?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I always talk about my favorite place in Los Angeles. Listen,
I don't get on much, but I've lived here since
two thousand and nine and I really do love it
here in Los Angeles. And my favorite place in Los
Angeles is Casita del Campo Kelly Mexican restaurant that's in
Silver Lake, sort of east of Hollywood and very queer friendly,
(13:55):
family owned establishment that's been around since the sixties. And
I just love it so much. And there was a
theater in the basement that I did a ton of
shows in and the food is great, And I think
I talked about it lesson was on diner with you.
I love that place so much, and I think that's
probably where I would go.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That's perfect.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
That place is like ripe for haunting because it's got
the like Mexican restaurant you know, booth la vibe that
is just so special. Yeah, and they have great crab
and shiladas, so like you could just eat that if
you ever ghost.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
There's just a good vibe there. I really like it,
and I mean Mexican food and fun, campy drag shows
like can't where else would I want to haunt? Are
you kidding me? Well?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Speaking of that, Roz people, longtime listeners of Ghosted by
Roz Hernandez know that the original title of this show
was Ghosted by Roz Dres Fales. Let's talk about the change.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Okay. So I was a full time drag queen five
to seven nights a week. Honey, I was out there.
I was doing the gigs. Honey.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh my feet hurt just hearing that the shoes you
must wear?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, oh my god. I mean I was pretty lazy.
But it started out. Yes, it did start out with
some uncomfortable shoes. But my drag name was Raz Dres Fleas.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
One of the greats. I have to say. Anyone I
mentioned that drag name too, is like, that's the best
drag name. Yeah, totally it's so funny.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I just love the name Roz. And you know, I'm
a Frans but you know, growing up male, you know,
I assigned. I always just really looked up to like
no nonsense kind of ladies. And I always thought of
like a Ras, Like yeah, that's kind of that name
is a Ras and it's just like three letters with
(15:45):
a Z at the end.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's so true.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
She's the office manager who like takes no shit and like, yeah,
doesn't want to fucking hear.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It, like a bartender lady that you know. I just
love that and I feel like I had and if
I would that, if that, if that can be considered
a gender, like that's what my gender really is, is
like no nonsense bar lady. I actually at Casita del
Campo the theater there was backstage working with the family
(16:15):
of Wonderful Performance that I worked with down there, and
a couple of years ago, you know, I was really
not quite transitioning yet, and I had recently gotten sober,
and I was just trying to figure out what to
do with my life, and and somebody had mentioned the
name Roz back there, and I was like, yes, like
that's me. And then I just blurted out Ra's dress fales,
(16:36):
and that's sort of became my name and I started
doing drag. So anyway, the podcast started when I was basically,
you know, just living my life as a drag queen
all the time, and so it did go by Ro's
dress fales, and then like pandemic times, I was like,
I don't know, like I love wearing you know, ladies clothes,
(17:01):
being seen with she her pronouns, and I really came
to terms with like, okay, I think I'm trans and
maybe I should not have a comedy name anymore. So
I just kept the raws and used my real name,
last name of Hernandez. So that's basically and then I
(17:22):
changed the name to Ghosted by Rows Hernandez. I mean,
same birds. I'm pretty much the exact same person as
I was in drag.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You are, except can I just say this because the
first time I saw you after you transition, we were
at the Lady to Lady party.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh yeah, you were standing with Sam Pancake.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I walked in and of course, you know, the entry
of any party is like the most stressful, where I'm
literally like in a panic, searching for a place to
land and I've known Sam Pancake since I moved to
LA one hundred years ago, and so I saw him
and just ran straight over to his side, didn't really
even look around, and started talking to him. And you
(18:00):
were standing next to him, but I honestly assumed.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I was like, that must be his agent or.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
PR.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Lady was just this tall, gorgeous lady that was standing
next to Sam, and I'm like, she must be in
the industry or something. And then like we Sam and
I exchanged a couple things. Then I turned to you
and I was like hi, and you go, Karen's wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And I go, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
And it was just like it was really exciting because
you were amazing and a gorgeous drag queen. But you're
a gorgeous woman. I mean, you're just a gorgeous woman.
It made me feel really excited for you. You know,
thank you there is yourself.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean, I loved wearing gigantic wigs. It was
really really fun. I've since, you know, given them away.
I gave one to Bridger when I did his podcast
as a gift.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Wow, that's a good gift.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, my neck feels a lot better now. I don't
have to carry those and it's crazy how people treat
you like different in a good way. I mean usually
like I would walk into a room pretty much saying, everyone,
stare at me, look at me. My hair is gigantic
and like I'm huge, and like now I get to
sort of just like lend in a little bit more,
(19:19):
which I like, you know, it's nice. Everything's been really
really cool since then, and I think that like it's
sort of where I'm at in life is just a
lot more like getting real. And I think even when
I started my podcast has been a journey for me
as well, because I didn't know as much about the
paranormal at the time, and I was more willing to
(19:41):
believe anything that someone told me. And now I don't
get me wrong, I don't doubt people because again I
don't know the actual answers. But I think I'm just
I've got I'm in a place in my life, and
I think with my transition was a part of it
of just like okay, let's like let's really get down
to like the truth. The facts give me the cold
how facts I don't know, I don't know what I'm
(20:01):
saying here, but like.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But like having a little skepticism going on.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, I just think my whole life is kind of
transitioned in a way that is still really fun and
having more fun with the reality of the circumstances that
I'm in as opposed to like in the past, I
think I was more like I need to make this
whole world of fantasy, and now I'm just like, I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Know, now you're real like Roz Hernandez, you're taking that
Roz approach, but you were talking.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
About before and ros and everything.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You're rosing it up.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Do you guys remember when Tommy Hilthegger's daughter had a
reality show, like in the early two thousands. Oh yeah,
she's crying on the phone to someone because she became
an adult and she goes, my childhood was just so whimsical,
and now it's like reality. And I just remember being
like a whimsical childhood, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Can you just must have been nice?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, So like you're a whimsical side or you want
to make all of life whimsical and a fantasy. It
is like so much fun, but it's not you know,
it's not sustainable. Probably meant for mental health.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Right, I think it was definitely good for me to
live my life as a drag queen. The way that
I did it was a good stepping stone, like I
think I needed that rather than going from like zero
to one hundred, Like it was a really fun way
to have like an exploratory phase of my life for
(21:30):
a number of years before getting to where I am. Now. Yeah,
now we're here.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
And you're such a hilarious comic and performer. So I
do think that that, in my opinion, drag is it's
my favorite. It's the funniest. To me, it's the riskiest.
It's really like a high wire act. And so when
you're doing drag, or for what I've seen, when people
do drag, it's like you have to bring the goods.
(21:56):
You're doing crowd work. Sometimes you're doing crowd work involuntarily.
You have to have hard jokes, you have to have
a great personality. Like there's a lot going on, And
I think, what an amazing start where you kind of
cut your teeth on like the highest level of that
kind of comedy performing and now you're just doing stand
up as yourself and you just get to enjoy stand
(22:17):
up on like a more authentic maybe level, but also
just a little less I don't know, I think you
don't have to be as brave, you just kind of
get to be yourself in a little more casual it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Definitely I think has given me tools in all forms
of my life from being a drag queen and like, also,
I keep saying this, but like so much I was
a drag queen so much, like all the time, I
was a damn drag queen. And you know when I
used to be in clubs, I've always been a talker.
Can you surprise sharing the club I've always like to
(22:53):
talk more than like lip sync or doing any of
that stuff. And like I would go to these clubs
and get on the microphone and it's like, there's the
hottest guys you've ever seen that are making eyes at
each other. People are friends that just got off work,
they're all together, they're drinking, there's Britney Spears playing, Like
why would they pay attention to me? And so I
(23:15):
think that's probably why I'm so loud and aggressive, because
I had to learn to be like, here's why I matter, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right, surprised to get trained?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Can we talk about your shirt because you have an
amazing alien black light type T shirt on right, now
that I'm obsessed to my thank you. How about aliens, Like,
I know, we talked about that on the podcast and
it's and Karen hates it.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I do, well, I don't hate you guys talking about
I just I just hate the potential reality of it.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm very fascinated by it, but it gets tricky because
it's a little bit conspiracy and yeah, that can also
you know, when we talk about murder and the paranormal
being cousins, that's cute, but some of the cousins to
conspiracy theories in this day and age, that's that family. Yeah,
(24:16):
so the off ye, So I like to touch on
it because I do think it's a part of this conversation. Obviously,
ghosts are my favorite, but there's you know, also cryptid
creatures for example, like Bigfoot and lackness and that sort
of thing where I think it's all could be connected.
Who knows, like stuff that we can never seem to
(24:39):
catch in a tangible way like maybe it's a maybe
it's a ghost, maybe it's a time travel thing, maybe
it's I don't know. I'm definitely fascinated by UFOs. I
do think that they're real. I think that they come
in peace. In my opinion, they're way smarter than us.
They're above us. They could do whatever they wanted to us,
(25:02):
and they don't. Yeah, a lot of people report communicating
with them, and the stories seem to revolve around them
being like, hey, get your shit together. We're up here
looking at you guys, and like it is rough down
there on earth, Like you guys need to recycle. You
need to like you got some problem. Let's start with
(25:24):
the recycling and we'll go from there. So I think
that they come in peace. I don't know where they're from.
I don't know what's in the damn ocean, Like, I
don't know if that's where they're from. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I love the idea that there's already quote, you know,
an alien or a time someone has already time traveled
and they're living among.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Us, you know. I guess, Like I guess.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I think that Men in Black is a documentary and
I love the idea that. But that's how cats for
sure are fucking aliens and positive you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Start talking about octapussies, the octopi whatever it is there,
Yeah that's something.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah, they're smart, too smart, But what about I was
just listening to a podcast and people wrote in their
creepy stories. But somebody wrote in about working in the
sewer and thinking that they saw an alien life form
in the sewer, and then as he began to describe it,
I grabbed the phone and just started skipping. I was like, no, no, no, no,
(26:30):
no no no. Like the idea that aliens are already
here and kind of like sitting around us.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh that I just can't. It really makes me.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It feels like, well that will then begin the end
of the world, is what it feels like.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Well, I've done that to you guys before, Like because
to me, like ghosts and alien stuff, hearing about it
definitely spooks me out sometimes, but it really does when
I'm anytime I've ever like stayed at a haunted place
or like someone's house has a ghost, Like, I'm no,
but the murder stuff really scares me.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, yeah, because it's real.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's very Would you rather stay in like a known
haunted house or like a known murder house.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Or like a place where there's a murder around the
loose that's the equivalent to me.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Really, I'm talking about like there has been a murder
in this house.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
But then wouldn't that be a haunted house possibly?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Maybe, Yeah, that makes sense hand in hand and all that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, I guess the ghost I don't sleep. Yeah. There's
been a few times where I've like gone ghost hunting
with people where I'm like, Okay, let's go to this
haunted hotel. It's gonna be so fun. And I think
that the understanding is we're gonna stay up all night.
We're going to you know, set up some equipment or whatever.
We're gonna have a good time, we're gonna listen to
(27:52):
some music, whatever. No, I forget that people go to
bed and they're not terrified, and then it always ends
up with them sleeping in me just like shivering.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, going grandma, Grandma.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I kind of want to stay at a haunted house
just to like test myself.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That seems like like a feat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I absolutely think you should because I want any excuse
to have you back on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I want an experience a rule one as an adult,
I say, as I as my house like is like,
all right, bitch, this is happening.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Hmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So well, speaking of murder houses and things like that,
do you have a hometown murder that you want to
tell us about, since this is still my favorite murder,
I do.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Now it's not technically hometown hometown. I mean I've lived
here since two thousand and nine, so like this as
far as I'm concerned, like this is where I live
and pretty much I'm from. It happened here, and it
happened a number of years ago. Okay, here's the story,
and I want to make it clear that this is
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just my little teeny involvement in this story. Of course,
this is an actual tragedy happened. It's sort of that
thing where like I don't know if there's like a
water explosion in the street or something. Everyone has their
side of the story, like they're about to write a
book about it. And it's like I really was very
(29:28):
minimally involved in this, but it did mess up me
a little bit, Like it definitely has stuck with me.
What happened? Which have I set it up enough? I
was at the previously mentioned Sam Pancake. Sam Pancake, you're
not familiar. He's my best friend in the whole wide world,
(29:51):
and he's a brilliant comedic actor and truly the funniest
person ever and love, love, love him. And this was
a number of years ago, maybe six seven years something
like that ago. I'm at his home and I should
probably set up the lay of the land here. So
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he lived in a guest house of television's Busy Phillips,
and she lived in the main you know house at
the top of like a hill, and Sam was actually
in the front. The guest house was in the front
of the main house, and then there was a staircase
that led past the front guesthouse up to the main house.
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And then there was a gate from the staircase to
the streets, so that people, you know, wouldn't just enter
the property. It was gonna say, summer night. We were
watching RuPaul's drag Race. Sam and I we were really
invested at the time, and we're probably eating some popcorn,
maybe drinking a Lacroix pample Moose and having a great time,
(30:59):
just nice, nice, innocent time. And his window is open,
the window to where the staircase leading up to the
stairs or leading up to the main house is, and
I look out the window and I see a young
man staring into the window, and I make eye contact
(31:21):
with him, and I took a beat and I was
staring at him, like because I was at this house
every day and it was just really out of the
ordinary that there would be someone there. He just seemed lost,
you know, the way he was looking in and I
was freaked out and I was I kind of froze,
and I said to Sam, like, Sam, there's a guy
(31:44):
like right there, like look out the window. So then
Sam looks too, and he's like, hey, what are you
doing or whatever. He was kind of he was talking
about like how he was lost or he needed a
job or something, and I remember he had a pizza
menu in his hand and he had a bag with him,
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and we were kind of just like sorry, like we
can't help you. It was really you know, I always
want to help people, but it was kind of inappropriate
or whatever. Like it was like it was it was
kind of scary, to be honest, like.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, violating almost like to come on and look in
your home, that's that's a yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And not even just from the street like on the property.
So we were kind of just like you gotta go,
you gotta like please whatever, And he took his time
and then left and made his way down the street,
and we kind of peeked out and kept our eye
on him. And that's pretty much my whole involvement of
the story. But I've come back the next day. Again,
(32:48):
I was at this house all the time. I come
back the next day and Sam comes out and he goes,
oh my god, the one of the neighbors got murdered.
And my first thought was, wait, do you think it
was that guy? And then you know, message boards or
like local neighborhood things started kind of saying like we
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did see this guy and whatever, and somebody saw a
guy of that exact same description leaving the scene of
the house. It was really scary, but at this point
we didn't know it was just it was just weird,
like that was a weird thing that happened that night.
And then we also know that somebody got murdered. And
then Sam has a little bit more to the story.
(33:31):
I think because he lived there, he had a little
bit more involvement with the homicide detectives and talking to them.
But weirdly, because again I was at this place, this
house every day, they came over to talk to Sam
when I was there, and you know, told our side
(33:52):
of the story. And I want to say that was
maybe a couple days later or something. And then a
year later I was at the house again and they
came back again, just knock on the door and came
in be like we got more questions, and I happened
to be there again, and I'll never forget. I asked
(34:14):
the detective what you know if they ever found out
a motive, and he said, as far as we know
he was, he's just looking to kill someone, you know.
That was sort of what he told me.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So it was definitely the guy that was creeping around.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, it was definitely him. And I guess the person
that he murdered was just house sitting and was staying
in the house and the guy had broken in. And
when I think, I think he came, if I'm not mistaken,
he he broke into the house and then the guy
(34:50):
came home and he bludgeoned him. Yeah, so it was
just really scary. And and after that, not gonna lie,
I did take a break from my favor murder just because, yeah,
it kind of like made things a little personal for me.
Like I noticed, like not that long after that, I
(35:13):
got really weird around windows being open, and anytime windows
are open open, I get really uncomfortable, but I have
like no tolerance for being in a place at night
time when there's no curtains drawn and there's people can
see in. That scares me so much. And it's like
(35:33):
something that has stayed with me. And I think that
there's just something about staring at that guy right in
the eyes a couple hours before that happened, and it's
crossed my mind before, like what if Sam was alone
or you know, yes, it just I don't know it
really it really messed me up. But it's again, the
(35:55):
story is not about me, though, Like I really want
that to be clear. It's just something that I have.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, it's your we want your you know, take on
the whole thing, and I totally understand that that would
be so like so frightening.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Well also it's it's your real experience, So it's it's
very considered of you because you're like, this isn't about me,
and this certainly wasn't the worst for you, but it
still is bad for you because you know, it's like
whatever Sam did to make that guy leave and not, uh,
it's just that's almost like by chance that that guy
(36:28):
chose to do what Sam asked him to do. I mean,
that's that's a very scary near mess. And it's also
kind of that thing of like this is living in
the city. This is you know, this is kind of
like what what city living can sometimes bring, which is
like gates don't keep people out and and there is
just random, random murder that is inexplicable and for no
(36:53):
reason and just horrifying. I mean, that's oh so scary.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, and then I had to and then I house
set for busy that summer, and like she had cats
that I was taking care of. In every little click
clack of the cats that I heard, I was grabbing
kitchen knives like I was, oh my god. Yeah, I'm
very scared of this kind of thing. I mean, I
don't want to ever feel like you're never safe, but
(37:19):
like I fit, I get what you mean.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
When I walk by people's houses at night and they
have their curtains open, I am like, what are you
trying to accomplish right now? Like they like, privacy is
like the least of your problems. I can see right
into your house right.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Also, you're not that hot, like stop, like we don't
need to see you right now eating your dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right and you're kind of boring. You're watching Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Again, like we don't need to, we don't care. Yeah,
that scares the shit.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I am very much a closed window person too, which
is so boring and I hate it. But yeah, you
can't get pack, like you can't be into true crime
and then also not kind of be paranoid a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, or at least careful careful, you know, it's be careful.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Right, And it's like I think sometimes when you consume
a lot of true crime, you do kind of learn
what people are capable of, and you know it. It
in some ways can prepare you. You know, I think
I think so, I think I am. I think I
could classify myself as paranoid. It's definitely a fine line
(38:23):
between like being careful and paranoid. Like I just try
to I wear rings all the time because I'm like
if someone tries, like, I'm gonna sock them.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean it sucks because, like, like you said,
you're not wrong these people. There are people that exist
out there that could do these things. So you're are
you paranoid or are you just oh really aware of
what actually happens in real life?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, you're forced to be aware because you had
a very specific experience that taught you to be aware.
Like it's not like you and Sam made that up
or assumed or some thing that was actually a thing
that happened. And then it was confirmed that it was
the same guy. That's that's so scary.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, and from what I heard, there was a lot
of people in the neighborhood that had the same same story.
Literally like he was on the property, we tell him
to go away, like yeah, wow, but it happened that night.
So it's just so crazy, very scary. And then like
(39:27):
meeting the homicide detectives and stuff, it was that was
its own experience of yeah, I grew up real into
Colombo and yeah, and so of course I'm like I was,
I swear I was like, I'm already like thinking that
I'm a suspect.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
When I lived in Burbank, there was a shooting and
I had Burbank PD detectives come to my house. And
the thing I was noticed where I'm like, oh, I
thought this was just on TV. They wear really nice suits,
they're dressed, they're dressed to the nines, and they're they're
there with their notebook, like we need to ask you
a couple of questions if you saw anything, and I
(40:07):
totally did that thing where I saw nothing.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I heard the noise.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It was blocks away from my house, but I did
go out in my backyard and just kind of look around,
and so I just wanted to say something to them.
So I was like, I heard it and I looked,
but there wasn't anything, and They're like, thanks, okay, thanks,
walk away. Where I'm like, I just want to you know,
I don't know. I want to help and be a
part of it.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
But that's what they deal with all day. And like
these guys they really like I could just tell there
was two of them, and I could tell that they
were the kind of guys that were, like, you know,
people make TV shows based on people like us, Like
they were so like they just I don't know, I
can't even imagine the things that those guys see for real.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Dude, for sure, Well before we go, I think we
need I think Karen Rozie and I talked about this
and I and I couldn't answer the question of does
the Luckness Monster exist? Because I feel like if Karen
found out I said no, that would be a real problem.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
You've already said no, to my face. I know you
don't think it exists.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
I think, but I think things exist in.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
The water that don't that we don't know about and
don't make sense.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Just not my personal theory of that all the lakes
are connected by underground tunnels. I got my hands on
a book when I was like seventeen that was like
I can't remember. It was, you know, Mysterious California or
something like that, and there was like all this stuff.
I'm sure it was like one dude writing it up
straight out of his own head. But there are all
(41:42):
these kind of cryptid theories in that. So you mentioned
the cryptids in your kind of list of the stuff
that you talk about. Do you think Bigfoot is real?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
I think anything is possible. I don't know, say my
biggest like, you know, say I'm a superhero or a
TV character like my my crutch or whatever is that.
I hate the outdoors. But if I didn't, I can
find anyone. You kidding me. You give me a couple
(42:15):
of context clues and a good Wi Fi password, I
will find everything. I'm sorry, but we need to get you.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
That TV show stat you hating the wilderness but going
in defined Bigfoot.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
And I've thought about how can we do this because
I'm like, I don't like bugs, I'm afraid of snakes.
Like I'm just I don't know what it would I
would have to be like piggyback ride on somebody with
like a whole net around my body.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
What if you're a drone operator? Okay, you could do it.
You could do it from like a a home base.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I like that idea, right, But I think I would
find Bigfoot. I Bigfoot's a tough one. Do you think
that photo is real? Like the famous video the Patterson gimblins, Yeah,
oh no, It's like that is like its own full story.
(43:09):
There's so much to it. But I think it's definitely possible.
The way that I rationalize the possibility, like for me,
my leading theory is that it would have to be
some kind of creature that is not like a bear
or like a human. It's it would have to be
a creature with some kind of magic powers that can
(43:33):
make it disappear. And people have reported like seeing tracks
that end. You know, whoever it is, they don't want
to be seen, they don't want to be talked about.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
It'd probably be a lot more boring like you're saying
it's like kind of like a bear with that can
walk like this, and it's like, oh, that's it. I
think like the mystery around it and Locknest is like
way more interesting because then all.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Of a sudden, if we find out then it's yeah,
it's just a type of animal, Like that's not fun.
I like calling that big Foot and like it's this
a weird, mysterious thing. And particularly that original Bigfoot, it's
theorized that it was a woman Bigfoot, and she's curvy,
(44:17):
her hair is like actually really silky if you like
look at her like she's a sick name. I love her.
I didn't know that Bigfoot. I love a lady with
big feet. I feel seen.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Representation matter.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
It really does.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Roz, You're so delightful.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It's very exciting that we get to have someone who
is our friend and such a hilarious comic and talent
come and do a podcast with our network. We're just
so thrilled to have you. Thank you so much for
for joining us.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
God, this is it's just a dream. I mean, I've
been so my experience so far recording with this network
that you guys have created, Like you guys You've got
the best people. Everybody is so cool, they know what
they're doing, like it's just it's just been wonderful. They
(45:15):
all make me feel like a million bucks. They get it,
they like they have put so much time into this,
and you know, this is something that I my show.
It's a silly little show, but I've been really I'm
really passionate about I really love having these conversations with people,
and I really do feel seen by youtwo and the network,
(45:36):
and it just it feels, really, it feels really good.
And I'm so excited for all the new people that
are going to be listening to all these weird, silly
conversations that I've been having for the past four years.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
We're big fans and we're so glad you're here. We
can't wait.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
I can't wait for the.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Christmas party this year because you're gonna make it even
more fun.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Oh ridiculous, I can't wait. Yeah, let me give a
little blurb to the people like you tune in to
the show. You're gonna get famous people, funny people. You
listening to this, you could come on. I just want
to talk about ghosts. Poulter, guys, psychics, cryptids, UFOs, all
(46:18):
that kind of mysterious stuff that we don't have the
answers to, and we keep it fun. We keep it
funny for the most part. It stays pretty light. And
I have just truly my favorite people on and we
laugh and we laugh, and Karen was on. Karen has
the most epic ghost story of all time. Unfortunately, when
(46:40):
I recorded with her, it was like the beginning of
the pandemic. But you'll get over the bad sound after
a couple of minutes. But you have to hear if
you've never heard Karen Kogerv's ghost story, because it is
truly what movies are made of.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, it was crazy, and it really opened the door
for me to entertain every other possibility in the world,
which is like, well, if that happened, then really anything
can happen, which is as scary as it is fun.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Yeah, and I think that hearing people's stories makes you
also be like, wait, maybe this is real or like,
I don't know. Sometimes, especially when you hear from like
public figures, it's like some of these people are kind
of like reluctant to share this because they know that
people will be like, you're lying and you're crazy you've
lost your mind whatever, and it is vulnerable to share
(47:32):
your experiences like this with people. And I don't think
that these people are lying, right, So you know, if
I ever sniff that out, it's not making it to
the air. So whatever is posted, it's people that I
at least, and you know, I'm raws. I'm a no
nonsense bar keeper. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's right gatekeeper. Yes, you're gatekeeping true goot stories.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Exactly nice. Well, guys.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
New episodes of Ghosted by Roz Hernandez are out on
mondays here on the Exactly Right Network, and George's the
first guest, so give it listen.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Karen's ghost stories from an episode in twenty twenty, so
check that out.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
On Roz's back catalog.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
And while you're there, check out all the amazing episodes
she's already done. And please remember to like, review and subscribe,
which is like your payment for a free podcast is
to like, review and subscribe.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Okay, and Roz, thank you so much for being here
with us today, and welcome to the exactly Right family.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
We're so happy to have your stay sexy and don't
get murdered.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Good Bye, Elvis.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Do you want a cookie? This has been an exactly
right production. Our producer is Alejandra Keek. Our senior producer
is Hannah Kyle Crichton.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
This episode was engineered by Stephen Ray Morris and mixed
by John Bradley.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Our researcher is Maren mcclashan.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
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