41 - Live from EW Popfest

This week was recorded live from the Entertainment Weekly Popfest 2016. Karen and Georgia share Hollywood tales of murder including Lana Turner's dark family secrets and the Wasp Woman, Susan Cabot. Plus a hometown murder picked right from the studio audience!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Love.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi, guys, welcome to day two of EW's Popfast.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
You guys having a good time so far.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good. I hope you guys have been having fun at
the other events, and there's still more to come tonight.
But I'm so excited to welcome this next show because
it's actually my.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Personal favorite favorite show.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
And I'm sure I'm hoping there's a lot of Murder
Reinos in the crowd because I own one, all right,
so got further ado. I am so pleased to welcome
my favorite Murder with Georgia Hardstock and Karen Kilgarth.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
What is this? Where are you going?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Where are we?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
This is our stage show.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Karen's gonna I'm going to do a song by Jojo
right now. I know you wish you could be outside
watching her and supporting her.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Was that really Jojo? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I thought you were kidding. I never joke about Jojo.
I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I thought it was like, that's Jojo. No, I don't
know anyone is. You guys are so cute, all of you.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thank over. Did you have to wait in a line
and stuff for this?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
But that's so important. We're super into that. Yeah, we
should have made them wait longer.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I mean, I do have to pee, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Do not do it.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
They're like, ha ha, no, start it now, she's crying
up and start.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
This is really freakin' rap, guys. This is weird because
we never sit in chairs like this.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Uh huh. Never not used to being directors of any kind.
Very bright, it's bright. It's cold Antarctica or something.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, I'm sweating. Are you really?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Have you noticed that this entire day? That's like raining.
I haven't had a jacket on.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I have noticed, but I didn't want to criticize.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
You criticize me. I'm a fucking nice I'm always hot.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's your deal?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hold on a second before the murders, Georgia, what's your
medical problem?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean where do we start?

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean, let's start with sciatica and end with chronic
anxiety for fun?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Is Stephen here?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
There he is sound engineer.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yay, he's blushing.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Uh look at hiencanmage here? Try to grab his mustache?
Is Elvis here? Someone? Do them out? If he came
walking up this aisle, how did you get down here? Uber?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
We always have never vin scenario out and we say
the word cookie. It's always like, is he gonna come
out here? Yeah, it'll be funny. I was gonna put
cross eyed on this cross eye on this catshirt that
I'm wearing. But I didn't, not even I just didn't.
You just didn't, too sick. So I'm supposed to breathe
into the microphone all the time.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, definitely exity. That's what Jojo does.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
She sings a line, she inhales, and then it's just
a big side of how hard show business is.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh, this is rough, you guys, good, I'll get her.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, we're honored to be here. If you're not sure,
if you wandered in and you're from Denmark. This is
the podcast My Favorite Murder, where we Georgia hard Stark
and I care Coal Gaiff talk about our favorite murders,
tell each other true crime stories that we like. We
don't necessarily say research them one hundred percent or we're

(03:59):
not trying to be experts of any kind. Most people
that are into this stuff really are experts. God bless
their souls. They let us know when we fall down.
They sure do, they sure sure do.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well listen, if you're here to have a good time,
then you've come to the come to a place you've come.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
To, a really cold, bright place, you might be dead,
which is thematically appropriate. You everyone heard that when you
won't start walking Like I was walking up here and I'm.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Like, this can't be real. I probably did again chronic
anxiety possible.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Although it would be a huge relief.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Then I couldn't do anything wrong. Do you ever get
into a situation and you're like, what's the most embarrassing
thing I could do right now?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
And like, yeah, that you're gonna do it for sure?
What's yours right now?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Well?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
We were just back, no brag, We were just back
in the uh I like to call it the Heineken Lounge.
It's where they keep It's like the green room where
they keep talent before they.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Go into there. I don't have to talk to anyone.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So we kind of stood there with our purses on
our shoulders, super uncomfortable, like and my thing in that
situation is like, uh, you think you know somebody, so
you're like, hey, that's not them, Like that in the
Heineken Lounge would have been death.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
My thing is they then don't know who I am,
that I've met them on hunt, like it just happened. Actually,
when I was like, hey, and then I had to
go to Georgia, like because I saw the look on
her face. Yeah, I was like, oh god, I've been there,
but we've met like seventeen times. You should maybe know
who I am.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, but nobody does. That's just I'm not special. No,
and I'm not either. Listen if you're not special, neither
am I.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
But then when someone does see you and gets this
like like Aaron Gibson from a throwing shade.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Watch care pretty soon. Yeah, fucking but she saw.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Me and and like opened her arms and her face
lit up, and I was like, thank you so much
like her.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
She was wearing a lot of eyeshadow though, so maybe
it was just that she thought it was someone else.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
It was just covering her. She was wearing a lot
of eyeshower in her eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Once she once she wiped her irises away, she was like, oh,
I don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's not Liza Manellie. Who the fuck is a bye Kurr?

Speaker 4 (05:57):
And Brian Safi thinks, fucking god, We're like, hi were
very kind to me.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, no, you you were okay, thank you? I get scared.
It's a lot of funny comedians that you told me
that you had news about your dad, but you wanted
to save it until we were doing this.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I did, and I wrote Dad and r V and
here's the reason. Okay, So, okay, We're doing the Chicago
Podcast Festival soon, and I'm big timing and bringing my
mom and her boyfriend along because they never go on trips,
and it's like that's not a thing of they do.
And I have a lot of miles from our credit
card from our our wedding that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're going to say have a lot of money, which
would have been so baller awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I have a lot of miles from the credit card
I opened and the debt I racked up to pay
for my wedding.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
God bless America.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
So I'm bringing them to Chicago like they're staying in
our hotel room. It's not I'm not like big timing
it that much. You started the story by saying you
were big timing and big timing, and by bringing them
so they can see that I that there's a nine
hundred seat theater and then they'll love me more.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh great, you know what I mean? Good? What a
great Christmas? This is going to be we're Jewish, it
doesn't matter. Oh that's so.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then I had to tell my dad that I'm bringing
my mom and her boyfriend to the city he was
born in, I know, and now they're divorced.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Oh wait, oh good, that would be weird too. I
would have been awful. We also didn't know about.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
The boyfriend or that his marriage had ended, yeah, like
twenty five years ago.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
So I had to tell him that. And I was like,
but you just went to Chicago, right, so it's okay.
And he's like no, like I thought he had just gone,
so it was going to bring him and now it's
like okay. So then he said, all right, well, doimm
me a favor. If you go to Las Vegas or
New York. I want to come, so bring him if
we go there. Okay, he's a real party animal. Nice
not true. And then he said, and you know, when

(07:42):
you get really up there, just like a small nice RV.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Trailer. He requested something for if we ever get.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Rich, like an art a small nice RV. Let's see
those don't exist, Marty. I hate to be the one
to tell you. It has to be three city blocks long.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, he got like he got He put a fucking
thing in there, and my sister was there, so there's
like a witness that I said, yes, yeah, no, you're dead.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
The funny thing is it's already on the list when
I like daydream about how I'm going to take care
of my parents if I ever, you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
In a lottery.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I mean in r v's not too bad. No, that's
all he wants. So I well, in a start contrast,
I found out that my dad has listened to this podcast,
which is my fear because my dad, who talks like
a foul mouse sailor anytime I say even like shit
or something in passing as an over forty woman, he's
always like, I watch it like it's really mad, And

(08:39):
of course on this one, we like we like celebrate
the word fuck, like when I say it as if
our lives depend on it, and I know that would
infuriate him like crazy, So I've never told him how
to find it or what.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I'm almost like real vague about the name when he asks.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
About it, and it's called the fuck Word Murder Mystery Show.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So my sister texted me and said, Dad found out
were world because my sister and two of our childhood
friends are also going to Chicago or just making it
like a weird clanny event. My sister and Adrian and
Audrey are all going because they love drinking in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's the main reason.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That's why my mom is going to Yeah, so it's
going to be They're going to have a great time.
But my dad found out that they're all going because
he told my sister he tried to listen to the
podcast and when my sister said, well, you mean you tried.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
To, and he goes, they talk too much.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
That's what if a podcast was just not talking the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Just like stony silence, like we're in a fight, just
like the Silent Treatment.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yes, our new podcasts. Yeah, so if you.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Ever want to be a stand up comedian, you just
need parents who truly are not fans of yours.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
That's I would say. That's step one.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
My parents and my grandma, who is like one hundred
and four years old time.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like, got gathered together to watch the episode.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Of Drunk History I was on night and like they
loved it and were supported.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Like my family, they don't get the fuck.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's not a good time for you to tell me
the story right now.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's not it's not all right.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
My family loves me so much, have a great hanukkah
or whatever. He just wants to picture you as like
the sweet baby angel that he thinks she was.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I thinks she is.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
And I had too many of these plastic.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Cups along I had that doesn't even have the tiny wine.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
That's not fucking green rue, y'all. I put one in
my purse, green room. Eg is it plastic?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's totally plastic. She can bring it to a park incredibly.
It parks are for incredibly hometown. And my family knows
I'm a fucking landa to. They're just glad I'm alive.
That's the only thing.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I am too.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Thank you all all right? Should we get into this? Oh,
by the way, this is for some reason. As I
was leaving my house, I didn't want to bend my papers,
and so I picked up the Mystic Places Time life
series book that Stephen got us.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't know I've heard about that. It was we
talked about in the last podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And so just to prove that we are not liars
and we don't lie about gifts or things that Steven
gives us or anything Steven's involved in, except you.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Didn't tell me and I didn't bring mine, so I might.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Be a liar. Oh that's right, that's a cliffhanger. You
have to find on necked up? All right? You want?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Okay, so let's tell everyone our thoughts behind all this.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Oh okay, So since we are at the ew Bulfest,
what is this?

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Where are the Entertainment Weekly podcast?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
We thought we thought it would be cool to do
entertainment murders. Yeah, entertainment based murders. I got a lot
of them murmurs.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I knew it would. I knew they'd murmur. We're good.
So do you want to go first this week? Who's
I think? I'm first?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I want to be first because I'm scared we got
the same one and then we're gonna and then then
you're not yours? Yes, no, I mean jump right in
if we did. Okay, the person that the story revolves around,
does her name start with Lana?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
No?

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Okay, Lana Turner. Everyone knows her and loves her.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
What that was like? You're gonna get an applause break,
Lana Turner, mother fucker.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I realized, thank you as I realized I said that
maybe nobody here knows who that is. They're under thirty,
so it's a possibility. She was born in nineteen twenty one,
so that's a long time ago. She was just like
like film noir actress, like hot blonde, like bombshell chick,
who was like the leading actress in like crazy dark films, right,

(12:37):
like noir film like film noir, like noir films, but
you were translating it from the French into just dark
for the American darkest for this American film noir means
dark as fuck. She she was discovered in nineteen thirty seven,
and this is like probably bullshit, right, but like the
story is that she was sipping at coke at the
counter at the top Hat cafe bullshit on Sunset Boulevard

(12:58):
and the founder of a Hollywood Reporter, which I just
realized might be competition with Entertainment Weekly.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
You can't see that name like giving us the cutoff sign.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Just goes dark in here, and then when it lights
come up, we're gone. It's super hot all of a sudden,
So I mean, come on, is that true? She's eating
a fucking no fanmwinch No, those.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Are all lies, that's all publicist shit.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
She was like, I don't want to get gross or
do I okay? So she was sixteen, apparently signed up
a contract at Warner Brothers. And then she became and
AJU knew, do you guys hear that loud music through
the wall? I?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
No, it's just you.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Oh okay, blonde bombshell, leading actress, reputation as a glamorous
fem fatal.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Fatal Thank you. No. I wasn't correcting you, no, but
you were right.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
She was named for an Academy Award in nineteen fifty
seven for Peyton Place. What I'm saying is big time,
you know what I mean, like gorgeous big time. While
she kicked at well, she kicked ass at her career,
I wrote, she sucked at relationships.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Oh nine, I won't we all been there, lady?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
She dated a lot, changed partners often, and never shied
away from the topic of how many lovers she'd had
in her lifetime. And then I wrote, which is fine
for men, but if a woman does it, it makes everyone uncomfortable.
Fucking flut bullshit, fucked the page, you know. And then
she said, I kind of want to make you read
her voice.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Do are you good? Okay? We've been here in quotes.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
All those years that my image on the screen as
sex goddess, Well, that makes me laugh. Sex was never
important to me. I'm sorry if that disappoints you, but
it's true. Romance, yes, romance was very important, but I
never liked being rushed into bed and I never allowed it.
I would put it off as long as I could,

(14:51):
and I gave in only when I was in love
or thought I was.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Which again I take about.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Joj.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I actually put a lot of quotes in this just
so you so so if I could do it, I
should have had you.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Prep your voice before that. What if I get discovered
at e W pop feds, Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
God, eating a tune of fish, so much.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Of the countness you can do the boy thank you,
which again is bullshit.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
She fucked immediately probably and then dated them, And it's fine.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's listen, fucking get to do what you want. Is
the idea. Like she she can.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Be like I'd like to screw, but only when I like,
If I if I like, if I have romance, if
I if i'm I never allow it, allow it.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
It's fine. That was my diadres. She's dead.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It doesn't matter about you just oh sorry spoiler alert
fuck spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
She gets murdered at the end of this. Oh she doesn't.
Is that disappointing?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Does she murder someone? No, you don't know the story.
Oh I'm excited. Oh great, I'm glad who all right?
Nineteen forty two, marries her second husband, actor and restauranteur
Joseph Stephen Crane. They have a daughter, ended up being
her only kid, Cheryl Crane in nineteen forty three. Then
they divorced in forty four, and then I wrote, Okay,
now this story gets dark.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Great you ready for this? Yes.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Her fourth husband was actor Lex Barker, and she married
him in nineteen fifty three, and then in Cheryl's memoir
Detour a Hollywood Story, which came out way later, Cheryl
Crane claims that Barker the husband, repeatedly molested and raped
her news, saying that at age ten, he lured her
into the sauna, which sounds like a nightmare to begin with.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
That's like with your stepdad and the fucking sauna and.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Just kind of saunas anyway, because yeah, have you ever
gone to like the one at Burke Williams And then
the door closes, and you're like, what if it locks forever?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Separate from a creep being in there with you?

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Just a girl who died in the cryogenic freezer. Oh yeah,
that's right, what a fucking nightmare. It's a different episode. Sorry, yeah,
told her it was that. Oh god, it's like, how
gross do you want me to get? He exposes himself
to her in a sauna like sweaty day.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's just got like, what a pervert, perverted sweaty. Then
he starts raping her a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
But when Lana Turner found out about it, she held
a gun to Barker's head while he slept and thought
about killing him.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
She didn't, and in the morning she.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Kicked his ass out, which is great because a lot
of times back then they were like, you're a lying liar.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, I love Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
They divorced, but to avoid scandal, no criminal action was
taken against Barker.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Fuck that shit, man. Yeah that's old Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I mean, that's fucking current Hollywood probably too.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Let's not talk.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Oh right, actors are.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
The best of Hollywood people. It's so fun and light.
Oh and they never worked again.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Our last appearance was an e W Poppaz twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
So she's okay.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
So Cheryl is thirteen and her mom's starts dating Johnny Stampanado.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, you sound like a bad guy. No, not at all,
You're wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Does he have a big white suit like like Stampanado?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Like is he an talking heads? Is that like kind
of thing?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Or like he looks like why can't I think of
his name? Who's the guy that hosts family Feud.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Steve Harvey probably looks like that.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
The audience never likes a joke if they're the ones
that have to provide the punchline. I've learned that over
the year. I think you're lazy, uh huh, but we're
not and crazy.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
We've just I've just yeah, I pickled my brain white wine.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah. Tell me about Johnny Stampanado.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Well, he was a well here, he's a bodyguard for
Mickey Cohen, the famous gangster bad guy, and he was
an enforcer for the crime family. So, in case you
guys don't know, Mickey Cohen is like a hardcore gang gangster,
like gang land gangster, and in her memoir, Cheryl describes
him as a.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
B picture good looks, thick set, powerfully built and soft spoken,
and talked to short sentences to cover a poor grasp
of grammar, and spoken deep baritone voice with friends. He
seldom smiled or laughed out loud, but seemed always coiled,
holding himself in, had watchful, hooded eyes that took in
more than he wanted anyone to notice. Shar Aaron Gibson

(19:17):
is like than her mother Lana's apparently. Yeah, I'm doing
all different characters today.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I love it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
He is a jealous, abusive man and one time he
got super pissed because Lana was filming. Another time, another
place in London with Sean Connery, who like, ma'am, he's hot.
He's hot back then and he got super jealous, like
showed up in London and then they got in a fight.
He choked her and she had missed three weeks of

(19:44):
filming because her fucking vocal cords were screwed up. Oh wow,
like he's a fucking dick. Well, Afia, they're serious.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
He later shows up on set with a gun and
threatens her and Connery. Motherfucking Sean Connery over powers him,
grabs the gun and beats his ass, sends him fucking
running from the set.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Sean Connery Sean Connery next month on Entertainment Weekly.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Let's see and then later but then later he holds
a razor blade to Lana Turner's face and says that
he'll disfigure her and like end her career.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So he's a fucking dick. Back in la Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Turner, Lana Turner tells Cheryl her daughter is thirteen.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Readyana Turner, I'm going to end it with him tonight. Baby,
It's going to be a rough night. Are you prepared
for it?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Super chill.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's someone's mother, Yeah, Like, send her to fucking I'm
trying to watch TV. Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
What would they be watching back then?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Like Dick Van Dyke, my mother the car there you
go dead silence like it.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I don't know it's funny, but I made it up.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, isn't that from Arrested Development?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
When she's when she so Sampanano Sampinado comes up over
and when she told him it was over, be ready again.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
You want me to start going, I'll go, I'll do it.
You do it.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
He grabbed me by the arms and said started shaking me.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'm cursing very badly.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And he's saying if I I if he said jump,
I would jump.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
If he said hop, I would hop. And if I
had it to do anything, this is why I had
you do it?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
And everything he told me he cut my face, Oh,
cruddle me, and if I went beyond that, he would
kill me and my daughter and my mother.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I'm this is why i'm. This is why you're the
actor of the family.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Anytime you're doing a voice halfway through you want to
give up. Oh, just power through. Okay, that's my advice.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
All right. I guess here's what I love. He said.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
If I say jump, you'll jump, and if I say hop,
you'll hop.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
That's a hip hop song, isn't it. If I say jump,
you say what.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm just saying, Why doesn't he pick other stuff that's
different than jumping and hopping? Like he could have total
control over this woman. If I say give me all
your money, you give me all your money, or just
shut up for a while.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, But instead it's hopping and.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Jopping and jumping. Sounds exhausting.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Take a nap.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
So she breaks away and says, don't e a touch
me again.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I am.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I am absolutely finished. This is so bad. This is
the end, and they want to get you out.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
And then she says, I was walking toward the bedroom
door and he was right behind me, and I opened
it and my daughter came in. I swear it was
so fast. Truthfully, I thought she had hit him in
the stomach. The best I can remember. They came together
and then they parted.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Wait a second, I still never saw the blade the
daughter killed Johnny's Stampinado.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Wait did you guys know about this? What the at?
Thirteen year old?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Thirteen years old fucking stands.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
At the bedroom door.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
She had come in earlier because she heard her mom
getting beat up, and her mom was like, please go
back to your room, Like, I'm fine, this is taken
care of, and she said she doesn't remember going down
to the kitchen and grabbing a butcher knife, and she
stood by the door and begged her mom to let
her in. Finally the mom lets her in, and she
fucking barrels pass Lama Turner and stabs him in the

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fucking gut and then he let's see what let's see,
oh single time in the abdomen, slicing his kidney and
it struck the vertebrae and twisted upward, puncturing his aorta.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Whoa, she fucking went for it.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Wow, badass little bitch. And there's photos of her and
she says, like.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Cute Cheryl in taffeta, Cheryl, Cheryl, she fucking defended her mother.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Shit, I mean right, she.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Was like where why didn't she get the spleen in there?
While she was at she hit so many key she.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Knew how to stamp.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Like, it's not just the thing, it's like a fucking thing,
you know, it's like a ripping.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
But also there's to me, the first thing I think
of is like, this is a child who's been put
in danger by these men, strange men that keep coming
into the house because of the mother, and the mother
isn't safe, and she's got a fucking like take action.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
But it's also probably this crazy thing of like, you
know this mother who you keep seeing making these mistakes
that are affecting you as well, And you're gonna prove
to your mom how much you care about her, right
like that you will do anything to take care of her. Yeah,
you know, this like sad woman who had had to
be like through the industry and taken advantage of and
bullshit at the having a coke at the counter, like

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she probably went.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Through a lot more shit.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Y oh yeah right, or she wants to she wants
to take care of her mom.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I just like the woman get serious. There's some gorgeous
house music to play behind her.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I mean, I wonder if just set that mood.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, this is very this is actually Yeah, we become
an NPR podcast where it's like it's very there's music
in the background, all the test ambient music, and it's
like it, yeah, a lot jojo singing in the background.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
So she fucking oh, you're dancing a little bit.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I thought you were pointing at me to like fucking finish.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Can you go on?

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So she fucking snabs him, and there were all these rooms,
like there are all these like you know, everyone who
likes to do a what's it called. When you have
these conspiracy theories, conspiracy theory that Lana Turner.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Actually you know, sometimes you gotta work through it on
your own.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, found it out, yes, make it come to you.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Conspiracy theories that Lana Turner actually killed him and like
made her daughter take the blame because she was thirteen
or fourteen and she wouldn't get as much trouble. But
then let's see, so the police arrived, Cheryl admits to
the stabbing, she's taken a juvie, and then there's a
coroner's interests in nope, in quest and in it. So

(25:36):
there's like basically a trial to see if she should
go to trial. I think was what it was because
she's a minor and mobster Mickey Cohen, who was fucking
big time like.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
And this is when I invent Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah yeah, and this is like when when you know
that's Buggsy Siegel, right, yes, anyone anyone in the mafia
here today?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Anyone? Well, no one.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
They murder me at the end of the big time
guy like, and this is when Hollywood and the mob
were kind of, you know, they needed each other in
certain ways, and so they were commingling. But he was
the person who I identified Johnny's body at the morgue,
so he had to testify. Can you imagine having like
being the lawyer who's about to fucking question a huge Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
He's like later days but oh so sorry, go ahead, no,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, I was just gonna say, was he there to
like speak against Cheryl or were they were just there
to kind of state the facts.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
I think that they I think that the mob was
pissed off that she that they well, let me tell
you what happened. Okay, So Lana Turner testified and it's
like in the in her best role, yet she explained
what happened that night, which insinuates that she's fucking lying, right,
you know. And then then so she testifies and that's
where all those quotes come in that you read earlier,

(26:51):
so brilliantly.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Thank you, you're welcome. Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Then they the jury takes less than half an hour
and decides that Johnny Stompanada's death was a case of
justifiable homicide. And so all these gang members are fucking
pissed about that and that they say that Cheryl is
acting on a fear for her life and that and
for that of her mother, and they found that she
is justified in using deadly force to stop him, and

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everyone was like, someone said, this is the waldest I'm
trying hard to ignore it. When the fucking background music
is louder than the laughter of the crowd, there's a problem.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Well, the back of my head is shaking. So yeah,
I'm not a lot we can do.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean just life.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Okay, So they were like, this is the first time
someone has been convicted of their own murder, that kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
They were pissed off of that.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Eventually, the family of Johnny sues Lana Turner for wrongful death.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
They settle out of court.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Which I always wonder like when you settle out of court,
that kind of implies your guilt or does it imply
that you just didn't want to go through this huge,
crazy trial. I mean, they're like, give me two grants,
like dred thousand dollars. How much is a lot of money? Yeah, yeah,
I'm not sure. Uh, I mean I think it could
just be whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
It's like, either you're not gonna win it, or you
don't want to keep paying for a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
There's all kinds of reasons to do that.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Basically, give me some money, which makes sense. I mean,
if he was bringing money home for his mother and
she's like, I don't have the source of income anymore. Yeah,
But also, you were maybe molesting my daughter. So it
comes out later in Cheryl's memoir, and she was quiet
about it for years and years and finally came out
with a memoir that details her molestation by her fucking

(28:32):
the second husband and says that Johnny was molesting Oh no,
I know there were rumors that Lana Turner did it,
but she takes the blame completely.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Cheryl does.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, Cheryl takes the blame completely. She had stabbed him
and also that he had been abusing her sexually.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
But this fucking bad ass bitch, she had some trouble
years at a team, like went to a like insane asylum
and like was sent to you know, boarding school and
all this shit, and was going very badly for her,
and then she she tried to commit suicide a couple
of times and then got her shit together and she
became a successful businesswoman and real estate agent. She fucking
kicked ass had and then ended up having a really

(29:13):
close relationship with her mom, her mom names she came
out of the closet, and her mom completely wanted to
turn her, supported her one hundred percent. She's been with
this woman for you know, decades, and she's this fucking awesome, crazy,
awesome bitch who fucking killed her mom's abuser.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right, that's so badass. So that's fucking it.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, thank you, that's a rare The applause rarely happens
in my living room, so this is so weird.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
It's very sad.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
As flying Steven will get like do a silent clap
and then and Elvis knows when like the last person
goes yes, but he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, he'll come out of the bedroom for that. I
just like watching you throw down your papers in total
mash victory, you know, legal and otherwise.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
If like that was a good story, but I just
act like it.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
It absolutely was, thank you. It was exciting.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
And Lana Turner's like old school, isn't that the part
in La Confidential when uhronically he's like some some rip
off Lana Turner and it's like that was wasank but similar.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Sorry, I mean yes, similar, similar, That was.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Similar but that but she was like even before that,
Oh okay, she was earlier.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
She was a platinum blonde though, right.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Platinum blonde tight. I mean you could look up, look up,
the photos are like, it's great.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Mine is also about a starlet, but she was no
Laana Turner. Mine is the story of the Wasp woman.
Does anybody here know that one?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well, nobody does, and I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
For a second it looked my parents was gone, and
I'm just like, how am I gonna lie my way
through the facts of the first page where everything.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Made it up? Make it up? It doesn't matter. I
told you the facts don't exist. We uh, just a sidebar.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I just saw a clip we were on a local
news and Sacramento News story about because we did the
story of Dorothea Plante, who is an old lady who
killed all the people in her boarding house. And for
some reason, I think it's because it's almost Halloween, the
Sacramento Local News did a story on They just kept going,

(31:29):
uh a podcast.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
They like didn't use the name until they absolutely how yeah?
Is that because they didn't want to say murder. I
don't know they were being rude, but they were.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
No, they were just mostly they were focusing on them
on the story of Dorothia. Pointe's close to us. But
they were saying like, oh, it's my number. I gotta
go five six seven eight?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Do you really?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
And oh, we didn't tell you we created a five
six seven and what and too and.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Improv dance. Why was I bragging about that? Because?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh, because because as I watched the clip, they start
talking and then I realized like this is there's a
woman behind a news desk holding papers about to talk
about the story we did, and I was like, oh god,
I hope this is right, like honestly.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Were like it was.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Actually they didn't find a dead person, didn't It was
a man named Don who was all very nerve racks. Anyway,
all right, so my story is the Wasp Woman murder,
and this is the death of a woman who was, essentially,
if you had to boil it down, a B movie star.

(32:43):
Her name is Susan Cabot. I'm assuming it's Cabot. It
could be Cabot. I hope it's not.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Cabot sounds right.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Cabot looks and sounds right, and she essentially the background
on her it's it's just gonna be there the whole time.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
But what if?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
What if we and it was like, oh my god,
it's one direction and we had to drop our mics
and run out there.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Everyone follow us, you guy, that Anthony. You know.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I got most of my information for this story from
an article by a guy named James Morrison who writes
on criminal element dot com, which was a really good
article that I ripped off and uh, he gave him credit, it's.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So basically here's what happened. On the night of December tenth,
nineteen eighty six, the police got a call from forty
six to oh one Charmie and Lane in the San
Fernando Valley. Anyone valley represent ali Alli.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
It's where parents hipster parents.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Two people are like, yeah, I man, sorry, we had
a kid in house. So the call her breathless, breathlessly
identified himself as Timothy Roman, and he said that a
burglar had broken into their house and attacked his mother
and himself. Paramedics arrived four minutes later, by which time
Timothy was waiting for them calmly outside the front door,

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and he told the two EMTs that he had been
attacked and that his mother was in her bedroom and
he believed that she was also injured.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Let me guess he only had cuts down the left
side of his body from where as a right, Yeah,
fucking asshole.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Give him a chance. We don't know anything about him yet.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
So the amts went into the back and his mother
had been beaten to death with a wait bar, a dumbbell,
and his mother was be a movie star, Susan cabot Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
She now I transition into her.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
See I tried to, I try to make this like
good storytelling or like that's what happened. But then here's
the person. But then I already started talking about her
at the beginning. So it's now we're back to this
Part's God damn it, Karen, Oh, that's what we You know,
Susan Cabot from such films as The n Four, The
Prince Who was a Thief, The Battle of Apache Pass,

(35:03):
The Duel at Silver Creek, The Viking Women in the Sea,
Serpent In sort of any of these, all your favorites
from the fifties that you love so much. She was
also in Machine Gun Kelly with Charles Bronson, kind of that.
But her biggest role in the one she's known best
for is a nineteen fifty nine film called The Wasp Woman,

(35:24):
where she was the lead and she played an aging
cosmetics executive named Janice Starlin who unwisely injects herself with
a rejuvenating serum derived from wasp enzymes and it turns
her into a lustful, murderous queen Wasp. Now, if you
have seen this, it's fucking amazing because they basically the

(35:46):
fly came out and the Fly was a huge hit.
So Roger Korman was trying to make a movie and
basically get some of the action off the Fly. And
so when Susan Cabot turns into the Wasp Woman, it
looks like she just pulled a black panty hose over
her head that has like two legs eggs on either

(36:08):
side for eyes and like, honestly, pipe cleaners.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
I don't think anyone here knows what legs eggs are
legs eggs.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
One person is one.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
There used to be pantyhose that came in eggs. I'll
tell you about it later. Just super cheap, be very funny.
Though when you see now, like I kept pulling pictures,
I kind of want to pass my phone around.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
But it's just it's like there's.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
One picture where it's like her clearly turned to the
screen like this, except for there's no there's no definable features.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's just these these like these really.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Bad pipe cleaner antenna and then these big weird eyes,
oh and like kind of fangs.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
They spent the whole budget on crafty and then they
were like, let's just fucking throw this thing together.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
They were like Susan insisted on getting blue cheese, and
now you can't afford a wasp outfit.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
She wanted plastic cups of wine.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
She had to get her wine cups.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
The poster from that time, as they used to do,
like the illustrated posters. And it's the thing I hate
the most. It's a humongous, like giant wasp that's bigger,
you know, that looks like it's the size of a bus,
and it's attacking a man. But the wasp has a
woman's face with a bunch of makeup on it.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
And that's I hate that the most.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
When when like horror movies or whatever, put a human
it's basically saying I've turned into a wasp, but my
face is still here.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
That's the worst because that wouldn't happen. Well, it would have,
but also what.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
If it did, then there's your weird face that you
took your wasp arm to put lipstick on, and shit like,
this face has so much makeup on.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
You can't go out without makeup.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
You can't even if you're a wasp. So all right,
so this is the movie she's best known for. I'm
just saying keep it in mind, Okay, She also was.
She was gorgeous and very petite, and she dated tons
of people, which is her prerogative. Bobby Brown, one of

(38:06):
which was King Hussein of Jordan.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
He dated around, didn't he.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
What's that? I think he dated a few actresses. Yeah, yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
He looked he had a kind of Clark Gable equality,
and I think he hung out in la and and.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
He dated her.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
She actually drove Princess Margaret's Bentley like he I think
he set her up and kind of like made sure
she had a great life after her b movie career
was kind of fizzling. But then he broke up with
her when he found out she was Jewish.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Sorry, yeah, are you fucking no?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry? What have I just started vomiting?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Also, do your homework, like what okay? The romance Wikipedia?
Back then you gave her.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Like the most expensive car there is. It should have
been real.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
But no.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Anyway, a lot of anti Semitism in Hollywood and Jordan, apparently.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Even though we fucking created Hollywood. No one's laughing, Sure,
it's not funny, it's true.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So when the paramedics went inside, they found what would
be a classic Quarters episode Inside the Cabot's house. It
had been Susan Cabot, her and her son, and they
had been living in this house where they said there
were garbage bags in every room, newspapers and magazines stacked
in toppling piles along corridors, rotting food everywhere, dead rats

(39:40):
floating in the pool, and they had ten dogs. I
was going to do dogs and I live like a
goddamn bomb.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
I was going to say that I would pay to
go through that because what year was that?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Eighty seven?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Oh, I would pay, like I would want to see
all her weird shit, she say.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
But then that end kind of bummed me out.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
And so I'm good, Yeah, you don't want to go
to the States, but only after they cleaned it up.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
This estate sale. Once they cleaned it up, there'd be
nothing left. You'd be like wood beams and they'd be like,
do you want do you need wood?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I'm good? So the uh.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
When they get back to the bedroom, they find Susan
Cabot lying dead on her bed, dressed only in a
purple V neck nightgown.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Somebody remembered that it was purple yeah, V.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Neck blood everywhere, a large arc of it was sprayed
on the bedroom mirror near her bed, there was sweat.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
An arc of blood. Oh, blood spatter.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
There's blood spatter on the ceiling above her prone body,
and further bloodstains on the floor and on the bed.
And the killer had covered Cabot's face and head with
a piece of bed linen before bludgeoning a heart of death,
which we.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
All know what that means. Uh can't it's personal?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Oh right, I just wanted someone to answer, Oh, sorry,
it means they're Jewish.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But stop it. Stop saying that word. Very anti Semitic.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Underneath that piece of linen, her face was all but unrecognizable,
so overkill. He beat the shit out of her face.
So now now they come back out and they're like, Tim,
what happened? And he's like, you will not believe this.
I woke up in nine point thirty I hear my
mom being attacked in her bedroom.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
So I go to the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
As I'm reading, I'm like, mmm, as you do. You
should have said you least stuck your head in. But
he went to the kitchen where he found a ninja warrior?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
I was waiting for the other thing. They always blame
it on but black people. Oh, a black person, yeah,
well he kind of what he said. There was a
ninja who was a Latino. Oh yeah, I'm on.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I see it's a.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
White person, and they'll believe you every time.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Well, so he said he fought with the ninja warrior,
the curly haired Mexican ninja warrior in the San Fernando Valley,
but the guy knocked him out, and so then that's
then when he woke up, he called, so.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
George, they were just there to kill the old woman hoarder,
Like they didn't want to kill him.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
No, no, no, they just wanted to knock him out
and then terribly murder her face.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You know how ninjas are.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So of course the police are like something smells fishy,
aside from the twelve bags of garbage in every room
of your home. So then as they talk to him
more and more, I think they bring him in and
then his statements to become increasingly inconsistent, of course, and
his wounds are overtly self inflicted. And when he was

(42:46):
asked about his relationship with his mother, he described it
as very close his mother and he talked about everything
he told investigators, including intimate sexual matters. Red flag right, Well,
I mean, why what.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Kind of breakfast start you having?

Speaker 1 (43:00):
That?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
That's the conversation. How is your night?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, I fucked so many people. Mommy passed the ketchup.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Ketchup on eggs, murderer. No, I'm kidding, I.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Love there, just white trash. So when the questioning was over,
he for he was formally charged with his mother's murder.
He demanded that he'd be taken home to collect some
medication and that he needed that he needed, and there,
without any prompting at all, Timothy led the detectives to
the murder weapon. So in his room he had they

(43:35):
had those ten dogs, four of them were Akdas that
were his dogs. And when the paramedics got there, they
were in his room going crazy, like wouldn't stop barking,
going insane, so they couldn't go into his room. Well,
when they bring him back after his question at the
police in the police department, when they bring him back,
he brings them into his room and that's where he

(43:56):
put the murder weapon.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
So that he put the dogs that like it's.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
All a little bit convenient of we couldn't go in
there because those dogs were going crazy. Actually, here's a
bloody dumbbell that I killed my mother with and a scalpel.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Oh, yes, so adopted those dogs after this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
No, they they had such a great life.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
There was a farmer that came into the San Fernando
Valley huh huh, and they live forever.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
See and where they are today, old, really smelly dogs.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
They're like I saw murdered.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I'm all crazy. Now I'm gonna eat your ankle. Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
So here's my favorite part.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And this was something that the paramedics noticed when they
got to the house. Is when they were walking up
to the front door, they thought it was a thirteen
year old boy that was standing at the front door,
and then when they got up close, they realized he
had a old face, which some of us have, and

(45:04):
it turned out he was twenty two, okay. And this
situation was that Timothy was born with pituitary dwarfism, and
so the way he was born, he should have only
stood four feet tall. But his mother got him on
an experimental drug program that's always chill, uh huh, and
it worked well for her in the movies. So he

(45:27):
had been taking experimental growth hormone for fifteen years and
he grew to be five foot four. But the problem
was that this experimental growth hormone was something that doctors
had come up with. It was derived from the pituitary

(45:47):
gland of cadavers, so they were basically injecting him with
the hormones from dead bodies. And later on this was
actually it was the National Institute of Health.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
It was like a.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Program that they had set up for children that were
born with dwarfism, only to then realize because it was
an eight year program that they had treated seven hundred
children with this growth hormont who suffered from growth hormone deficiency.
They gave them this this uh, you know, membing or

(46:24):
whatever this treatment. And it turns out that, as we
all know, when you use old blood from dead bodies
or old you know, growth hormone or whatever, that's one
of the major ways you can get kruts Felt Jacob
disease also known as mad cow fuck no way.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yes, So.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Keyword hair is experimental. Like why would you let your
who in here has a child?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Nobody? Why would you let your kids? So many questions.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well, but this is the thing where it's like she
is may be born with dwarf ism, as if that's unacceptable.
She starts putting him on this program that essentially you know,
and his defense lawyers were like, he was a human experiment.
And when you have the mad cow thing, part of

(47:17):
part of the disease is dementia. Your personality changes, You
have mood swings, you don't know where you are a
lot of the time.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Sounds like it's like get hit on the head or
being an experimental experimental fucking dead blood.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
This has to go into the into the triangle. It
can't be a lot of them. They're there, dude, they're there.
Keep your eyes peeled church. So then it was revealed
I didn't mean to do a dramatic pause. I lost
my place and I thought I would use it. Then
it was revealed that Susan Cabot, when she put it

(47:49):
together that this pituitary gland hormone that her son was taking, Uh,
she thought maybe that would make her looking so she
started injecting it in herself too. So they were both
taking this drug that was making them insane.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Who'd have thought that a hoarder would be crazy, I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
And have bad ideas about what to inject into their body.
So uh, Page nine. So basically He stood trial in
May of nineteen eighty nine, and his legal defense put
initially put in a plea of not guilty by reason

(48:34):
of insanity, and they just basically said that the psychological
symptons symptoms he suffered from extreme change in personality, dementia,
loss of ability to think clearly and memorily loss combined
with his mother's behavior because apparently she was just sitting
in this house. It was it was actually like and

(48:55):
the guy that writes this article, it's a really good article,
he equates it to like Sunset Bullet Vard and all
those there's you know a lot of movies where it's
like the old aging actress that can't let go of
her beauty and her fame like stopped in time, yes,
and and like basically locks herself in a house and
like goes insane then tries to get people to come
in the house with her. Well, that's actually what Susan
Cabot really was doing with her son.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
But in like the super bummer hoarder's way, like not
in a charming interesting navi.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
No no cavear being served here old tuna fish cans
probably in the way I've pictured.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
The cans are being served.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Chew on an old cant help yourself, so uh essentially
her uh. Timothy's tutor came and testified at the trial
and said that Susan frequently screamed at her son for
no reason, and then when Roman failed to take his medication,

(49:57):
like he didn't shoot himself up. He literally couldn't add
two numbers together, so they were it was weird, like
they were basically on this drug together that made them insane,
and that apparently what he ended up Timothy ended up
saying was the night that he attacked his mother, he
doesn't remember doing it. He doesn't remember going to pick
up the barbelle or any of the other things he

(50:19):
used to bludgeon her to death, but that she would
not stop screaming at him, and she had been screaming
at him and not recognizing him for like a week
by it, so yeah, she was completely like over the edge,
and he basically not actually being totally stable himself, snapped
and just murdered her.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I kind of believe it. Yeah, you better believe it,
because it happened.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
And then I got snapped. Snap, And that's what the
prosecutor said during the trial.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
So essentially he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. So
after hearing all the stories and all the people basically
saying she was not and he was two, he had
already spent two and a half years in jail awaiting
the trial, so and then he basically got three years probation.
The judge concluded her summation by saying that there was

(51:12):
no doubt in her mind that he had loved his
mother very much.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I wish he had gotten put in a fucking and
same as anim so he could be taken care of.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'll tell you that the episode of what's it called,
it's called like Murders, and it's that super cheesy e
show with aj what's his name, and it's like called
anyone got.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Someone do my homework for me? It's on YouTube and
you can see it. It's about her. It's about this murder.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
But the guy himself, Timothy, is on it and he
does that thing where he's like the anonymous person. So
he's in black and the room's all dark, which thank god,
it's probably like newspapers and fishbone shit, but.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, just stacks and stacks.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
But he basically said in it, like he's talking firsthand
and just basically saying, yeah, I snapped and it was
a really bad situation.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Usually I'm like, oh yeah, you were crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
We're all crazy, like the fuck man. Yeah, that's intense.
That's like, yeah, that's some next level. That's entertainment, everybody.
That's show business for you. That's our show business works.
Thank you. Well. In our last five minutes, should we
read a should we read a hometown?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I got to sit in silence?

Speaker 3 (52:27):
What if?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Does anybody here have a really good hometown murder? They
want to tell us?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Karen, great idea. Put your hand up.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I see someone pointing out there, someone pointing at a
night's she's involved in.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Well I'll do it. Karen's just kidding.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I just shame everyone. Hi, come over here, come talk
to Karen.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Hi. What's your name?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Margie, Georgia, Margini, Margie, Nice to meet you.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Do you want to do it up there?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Come on, come on, come on, yay, Margie Archie.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
It's so cold, I'm getting cold, which means it's almost over.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Sit here, this work.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I don't know somewhere Margie, Yeah, it works, it works.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
If I just got her backpack on, she's gonna run
after that. God. Hi, Hi, it's your hometown. Where are you?

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Fund originally from Miami, but I live here now in
my Florida murder I love, So I live here now and.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
My hometown murder is here.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
So I worked in this office with this dude.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Wait, is this the first hand murder?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah, oh shit, here we go. Whoever pointed good job?
The fuck up?

Speaker 5 (53:42):
So this guy, like, I was an intern in this
office and he worked there. He was a writer there,
and he kind of would like creep on me. He
would like rub my shoulders and like, can I get
you a water.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Bottle of sexual harassment? Yes, But when you're an unpaid intern,
there's not a how you can do right. You just
basically you and stop and don't make money. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
So I got the hell out of there, but I
stayed in touch with people who worked in the office,
and basically recently this dude snapped. So he had this
wonderful wife who had given birth to two of his
children and they were in the process of getting a divorce.
While they're getting a divorce, he had a living girlfriend

(54:23):
who was now pregnant with his next child. So during
this divorce, while he's with this girlfriend, he gets charged
with this sexual assault allegation.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Of somebody else.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
So there's this girl who was raped, divorced wife, new girlfriend,
babies on the way everywhere, and when the rape allegation
comes out, the girlfriend's like, no, no, I'm not about this.
So she leaves and he they have like this apartment
in who So he begs her to come back. He's like,
let's talk about this whatever. So she leaves the baby

(54:59):
at her mom's house, goes to the apartment.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Though baby behind, baby's great, baby's fine, Okay, spoiler alert.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
So so she goes to his apartment and is never
heard from again ever. Ever, basically, I know, basically, I'm
pretty sure it was like the next day. Her mother
was really worried they hadn't heard from her, so they
sent the police over there. He had barricaded all of

(55:27):
his furniture against the door.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
He was locked in.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
His bedroom with her body that he had drained of
all its blood, had been dismembered.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
No, so we ho we hope of all play food
this year this year? No?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Yes, So more information keeps coming out with the dismemberment
thing is like new information that we didn't know before.
But the twist is that he is a graphic novel writer.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
He had written Listen. He had written.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Listen this sure podcast school.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
He had written this terrible, gruesome story about a I
think it's like a scientist who does the same thing
to his like lab assistant. So were this, Oh yeah,
like you're like a few years ago he had Retten
had gotten published.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
It did really well.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
But it's like this really grewesome, dark graphic novel where
he had like hung her upside down, drained all the
blood in his bathtub, had dismembered her whatever, and then
he fucking did it. Like there's no way you're getting
out of this one, dude. So no, that's my hometown murder.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
You knew him? Oh yeah, and he massaged you. Yes,
well welcome to La. That's what.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, Margie, do.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
You want to plug anything? You want to plug anything?
Do I want to plug anything? Like your Twitter or
you're It's okay? Well my Twitter is marjover matter love it.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
My best friend John and I and my girlfriend Kirsten.
We have a thing Lank call do or die.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Person is the one who handles your clothes. Oh my
hi is this?

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:06):
I'm gonna hug the ship out of here from the print.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Fall you guys, Oh, yes, that's her. She really wants
to meet you. Yeah, okay, so even that microphone, Yeah,
we'll see you. It's your it's your parting gift.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
He's like, no way, oh all right, awesome, you guys,
that's it for us, I think.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yes, thank you, thank you so much for being here.
That was so fun.