473 - Parker Posey

On today’s episode, Karen covers the murder of Lita McClinton and Georgia tells the story of the Texas Seven prison escape.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last Hello and welcome my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's Georgia Hardstar.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's Karen Kilgariff, and we're trapped in a seventh grade
in nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I have an itch on my nose immediately, Why I
wasn't an MRI the other day for my tits. Immediately
got a fucking itch.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
On my nose as soon as I was Yes, of course,
that's your system going.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Do not submit to the laws. Think of something else,
Think of something else, MRI. Yeah, those things are the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
I absolutely got out of the first one I had
to go into.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
You got out? Oh you claustrophobic?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh yeah. No one warned me about anything that is
involved in going through that.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
So the loud noises and the thing, sit still, all
of it. You have to be do not move not
Mine was for my brain, so I had to be
real still. And then it's like clank clonk nuclear water.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
And scary and it's so scary.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
And then someone was like, you didn't take a volume,
and I was like, no one offered, No one offered.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I kind of find it relaxing, to be honest with you,
to be in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, do you mean kind of like how baby likes
being wrapped up like a burrito.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Maybe. Yeah, it's like I can't listen to a book.
I can't do anything but listen to the clanging. The
claning starts to sound like music at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
How many times have you been in an mrim's Weirdly?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Quite a few? Weirdly over ten? No? No, no, no,
like under five okay, maybe four? Okay, Yeah, and I
don't mind it, but yes, you can't be claustrophobic.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I think they should walk you through the vibe before
you get in there. Definitely, it's gonna sound like the
building is starting to burn down around you.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, that's just the way the machine works. Yeah, what's
going on with you? Less MRI stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
So we tried to talk about this last week, but
the episode last week there was so much actual in
episode conversation that we ended up recording for two hours
and twenty minutes and having to cut it down to
that episode last week, So we got rid of a
bunch of TV just chit chat at the top of
just shows.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
We were watching.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
So for me, the thing that should live to this week,
which lots of people are talking about now, is the
Netflix show Adolescence, Oh my God, which is simply truly
one of the best things I've seen in a long
time on TV.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh it's so hard to watch. It's so hard to watch,
and I don't have children. I can't imagine what it's
like watching with children.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Horrible, But also the whole thing of like they're doing
episodes in one continuous shot. They're doing it's like they're
tackling massive social issues of the day, global social issues
right all in one shot, kind.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Of like a play.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Leave it to the British once again to just be
nailing like a six part series.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I can't get past the one shot thing because I
just keep thinking about what if you're the one extra
or the one rando who just fucks up and they
have to start from the beginning of the show. I
just it stresses me out more than so I can't
really pay attention as much.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
They've got to have like outs, they've got to have
like a little kind of like cuts and clips and
ways to fix things. But and I also think it's
because Stephen Graham is the actor that plays the dad,
but he also wrote it with his writing partner, So
as an actor, I feel like when they were making
those plans. He was probably thinking of all of those

(03:34):
extras true teenagers that they're getting to, you know, fifty
at a time to act in these scenes, Like they
must have planned for that in some way.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, it's gotta be, yeah, because like one kid looks
at the fucking camera and the SHOT's ruined. Yes, right,
so maybe they have multiple cameras going at the I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, they must have a backup plan. But also there
is now everything's going around on social media. So there's
this amazing clip of the boy who is the star
who's never done anything before, incredible, can't remember his name.
And then the woman he's in a scene with. I
believe her name is Aaron O'Connor because she's from another
show that I wanted to recommend from before. And it's

(04:11):
the same team as the people in Adolescents, except for
it's a Victorian boxer female bandit series called Swinging Away
or something like that. It's great, okay, But anyway, they
talk about how this boy accidentally yawned in their scene.
That's super intense, and it's like the psychologist and the
boy kind of arguing and at one point he kind

(04:34):
of just like loses himself or whatever, and he tells
the stories like he yawns and she just improvises.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Am I boring you? Wow?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
And they get They just like stay right into it.
So there's like real theatrical training.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
This is the Brits.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, this is what they have over us, which is
they respect acting.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, but you know what they don't have what Parker Posey.
And that is my thank you Jesus TV show moment.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
No, no, dim nobody wants to live in Timeland.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I won't sorry. We were so bummed when we've gotten
that Jennifer Cool, which wasn't gonna be back for this season,
but the only person that could, but Mike White, could
have replaced her with that I'm not mad about. I
didn't know until I saw her was Parker Posy. But
then where am I locipam? No? Now I have to

(05:30):
drink myself to sleep. It's like so.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Satisfying to walk around my house talking to the dogs
in the Parker Posey voice. It is so And also
who deserves the star turn on White Lotus season three
more than Parker Posey?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah truly, Alma said more than Yeah. It's incredible. I
love it. Thank you Mike Wike for bringing her to
our chores. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah, thank you Mike White for highlighting the super talented
women of Hollywood in the way only you can.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, truly so great. Since we're doing this in one take?
Should we? Should we not mess up? Should we? Nobody yawns?
Keep on going? Actually I yawned sometimes when I'm stressed out,
so like I thought, it's kind of brilliant too that
it like they kept it because it makes.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Sense completely, or like he's posing like on board right,
and then it's like, yeah, you've seen kids do stuff
like yeah, espectually when they're in trouble.

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I should put on the fuck you I'm divorced joggers
and see if anyone approaches me.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
They will. I said, like.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Can I hey, am I about to tell you a story?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
You are okay? Do you have all your beverages? Do
you have at least two? I have at least two beverages.
I'm taking my shoes off actually under the got get
those foot listeners. Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Here's a great email that Maren found just to kick
this off. So it's a letter from a listener. It
says Greeting's team MFM longtime murdering No, and now author
of The Devil went down to Georgia, which was exerted
excerpted in People. It's spelled excerpted, but I think it's
pronounced exerted. Just landed on Oprah's Daily's list of best

(11:20):
true crime books of all time. And then in parentheses
it says, gulp, it's one of the very few books
about a murdered black woman and the story is incredible.
They go on to explain the story. I will not
do that now, and then it says I first wrote
about the story as a writer for Atlanta Magazine and
have now revisited it, looking at it through the lenses
we peer through today, the power dynamics between men and women,

(11:44):
domestic abuse, racial and economic disparities in the justice system,
systemic racism, and how we continue to give rich white
guys the benefit of the doubt. Wow, I truly believe
this one will resonate with your audience. Please let me
know if you're interested in covering and I'll send over
a book.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Thanks. Deb. Deb like the author of this book, send
us an email yes, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Just to say, hey, you might want to think about
doing my story.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
The Devil went down to Georgia.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
The Devil went down to Georgia's the name of the book.
Maren read that book without finding this letter, and she
noted that it was an amazing read. She loved reading it.
This is a researcher who has to read a lot
of books. So when researchers say I love the book,
that's really very meaningful.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
What's the author's full name, Debb.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Her name is Deb Miller Landau. And The Devil Went
Down to Georgia is basically the primary source used in
today's story. But let me intro for you. It just
we're all very excited that there was actually that letter
waiting for us from oh who knows twenty seventeen, who
knows when she sent it.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
So this story starts.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's January sixteenth, nineteen eighty seven, a cold, overcast winter
morning in Atlanta, Georgia, and Lida McClinton is at home
in her townhouse in the affluent Buckhead neighborhood. Now, this
is sometimes referred to as the Beverly Hills of the South.
Famous residents like Tyler Perry, Robert Downey, Junior, Elton John
have all lived there at some point and Lyda has

(13:10):
a big day ahead for her. That morning. It was
just her thirty fifth birthday a couple days before, but
today she has an important court date. A judge will
be deciding how she and her estranged husband of ten
years assets are going to be divided once their divorce
is finalized. So essentially today is kind of the first

(13:32):
day of the rest of her life. You know, she's
like finally out of this marriage. Her best friend Poppy
has come to visit. Poppy brought her three year old
daughter because Poppy wanted to be there with Lida on
this day and kind of go through it with her,
make sure she was okay. That's kind of such a
potentially stressful day. But Lida isn't expecting anybody else at

(13:52):
the house, so when the doorbell rings at eight fifteen am,
she has no idea who it could be. She puts
her rob on, she goes downstairs, looks through the peepole,
and she sees it's a flower delivery man, and so
she opens the door and says good morning. He's holding
a big box of long stem roses that are wrapped
in a big pink ribbon. She thinks maybe they could

(14:13):
be a belated birthday gift from a friend, so she
does not see it coming.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, that's such a good ruise because it's not like
I didn't order anything from wherever the person's from, but
it's like someone random sent you flowers. Yes, it's totally
an anonymous thing you could get away with for getting
someone open odor. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean we've seen it in a lot of movies
and it's the kind of thing where, especially at this
point in her life, it was the perfect ruise. But
instead of delivering flowers, this delivery man pulls out a gun,
pulls the trigger twice. The first shot misses her, this
second shot hits Lyta in the head, and within minutes
she's dead. These are the first moments of a tragic,

(14:53):
convoluted homicide case that takes investigators from Georgia to Florida,
to North Carolina and then all the way to Thailand.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And I'm back.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
This is the story of the murder of Leada Mclinton
And so we already said it, but deb Miller Landau
Murderino wrote the book The Devil went Down to Georgia
about this case, and Maren also used an episode of
twenty twenty as a source and that episode was entitled
A Puzzling Murder, and the rest of the sources are
in our show notes if you want to go see those. Okay,

(15:24):
So let's talk about Leada Mclinton. She's a black woman
and an Atlanta native, and her parents, Emery and Joanne McClinton,
are wealthy, well connected public servants with long and impressive careers.
Leida's father holds a high ranking post with the US
Department of Transportation, and her mother will be elected to the.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Georgia State Legislature. Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Back in the sixties, Joanne campaigned and organized with Martin
Luther King Junior. She would later served as a campaign
manager for Atlanta's first black mayor, who was also the
first black mayor of any major southern city, Maynard Jackson.
Okay yeah, and as a local reporter named Mark Winnie
says quote, Lida was a true daughter of Atlanta. So, unsurprisingly,

(16:09):
given their stature, Emery and Joanne have big expectations for
their daughter, Lyda. She's educated in private schools, she participates
in debutante and Katillian balls. She eventually graduates from college
with a political science degree, and she has an exceptionally
bright future ahead of her, But in nineteen seventy six,
Lida starts dating a man named Jim Sullivan, and her parents,

(16:30):
to say the least, are not thrilled. So when Jim
and Lida meet, Leda's in her early twenties and she's
an assistant manager at a high end Atlanta boutique, so
it's like she's just out of college, essentially trying to
get on her feet and get a career going for herself.
It's the what am I going to do with my
degree kind of days of her life.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I need a job, so this one, yes kind of thing,
but I can get this done. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
One afternoon, Jim, who's in his late thirties, walks into
that shop and is taken aback by Lyda's beauty, style
and charm. The problem is, Jim isn't Southern. He's from
a white working class family. He's ten years older than Lida,
and on the surface, the only thing they really have
in common is they were both raised Catholic. Jim is

(17:16):
not the man that Leida's parents would have picked for her,
but he showers her with attention, affection, and gifts something
that deb Miller Landau will later liken to love bombing.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
And even though Jim Sullivan doesn't come from much, he
is ambitious. He's dreamed of being rich since he was
a boy, and he does have some money to his name.
He earned himself an economics degree in college. He finds
work as an accountant, and then he settles into a
comfortable life with a wife and four children in Massachusetts.
So that's the beginning of his life, way back when

(17:51):
he got out of college. But Jim is the kind
of man who always wants more. So when one of
his uncles, a man named Frank Beinert, who owns this
successful beverage company in Macon, Georgia, starts thinking about retiring,
he doesn't have uncle Frank doesn't have any children to
take over the business. Frank knows how ambitious and business

(18:11):
savvy Jim is, and so he takes his nephew under
his wing to teach him the ropes and take over
the company. So Jim and his family moved down to Macon,
but immediately there's an issue, and then it's just basically
Jim rubs people the wrong way, including his uncle's business associates.
Jim is arrogant, he's stubborn, and his deb Miller Landau writes, quote,

(18:33):
nothing rubs Southerner's raw than unchecked superiority, especially.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
From a Northerner. Sure.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
So the relationship between Jim and his uncle Frank sours
within a year. This is that kind of personality. Yeah,
that's like, oh, you immediately got there and started making enemies.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Super cocky and just like yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
It gets so fraught at one point that Frank starts
to rethink the succession plan without Jim.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But before he can.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Make that change, Frank Bienert suddenly dies of cardiac arrest.
Since his succession plans were not officially amended, Jim ends
up inheriting his uncle's three point two million dollar beverage business.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
So this is the late eighties.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh man, what do you think it's worth in today's
money too? I'm going to say fifteen sixteen?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Whoa, yeah, a lot of money inflation. Baby.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
So, not long after Jim's marriage falls apart, his wife
divorces him, takes their kids back up North, and her
parting words reportedly are quote Cursey with my dying brou
wrong Island, Okay, you're thinking of Galopgo's. Her parting words
are money doesn't make you happy. Jim responds by signing

(19:49):
away a full custody of his four children, and he
basically exits their lives and does not come back.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Okay, so now it's nineteen seventy six. Oh sorry, that
wasn't the late eighties. It was the mid seventies.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So that's why I got it wrong. That's that's why
I told me the right year I would have got
her sixteen sixteen.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I thoroughly apologize. So now it's nineteen seventy six. Jim
meets Lyda in the Upscale Boutique. Their relationship blossoms. He
tells her all about how he's inherited his late uncle
Frank's business, and just a few months after they meet,
the two become engaged.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
He must have been so charming if he could sweep
her off her feet, because she's no dammy.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know, yes, and she's grown up in like Atlanta
society totally.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
She's this bright future.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
She's met charming men before, not new. Yeah, he must
have been real good at it. Yeah, here's how good he.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is at it.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
He never mentions to Lda that he's been married and
that he has four children.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Okay, just a little piece of info you're gonna want.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
To, Yeah, sure, just not Himmy doesn't mention it. Lda's parents,
Emery and Joanne, are devastated when they learned about this engagement.
They tried to give Jim the benefit of the doubt,
but they just can't stand him. It's that's simple, and
they're mostly troubled by Jim's cockiness and his disrespect and
the way he always deflects when people ask him about

(21:07):
his background.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I always think that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
It is like people do that all the time, where
it's like, oh, you know, just this and that it's like, sorry,
you don't think that people who want to know certain
information about you aren't going to see that as exactly
what it is.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Right, And then as two people who are like, let
me tell you my whole backstory, even though we just
met in the bathroom line, let me tell you every
single fucking thing has ever happened to me in my life.
I can't imagine deflecting of being like, I don't know
what happened to me when I was a kid. I
just know it wouldn't work. Let me get my notes out, yes.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Exactly, And it's like, well, you're a stranger.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I owe you this full explanation. I saw a thing
that was like, it was a meme that said, like,
I don't overshare to get closer to you. I overshare
it because my personality needs context. Yes, why the way
I am? Why to like me?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
And also you have free reign and will to not
like ry, But there's a reason I'm like this.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It takes context to like me. That's like that hippie
but also that's our idea.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, that's also old kind of trauma thinking totally, which
is like there's a lot of people that are like,
I just like your shirt, I like you automatically, yeah,
and we're like, I know you don't like that. You
know who's not doing stuff like that? Jim Sullivan and
his type who are like you will like me, right,
and I'll sue you if you don't. So Emery and

(22:30):
Joanne desperately want their daughter to get away from this guy,
but of course, instead Lyda just falls deeper in love.
So on the night before Lyda in Jim's wedding, he
drops a bombshell on her. He finally comes clean about
his ex wife and his four kids, and then immediately
he pulls out a prenup and urges her to sign it.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
And also, here's where I think that age difference really
comes into play. And this is the kind of age
difference thing that like a lot of people never talk about,
but it's like undue influence over people who have not
been in the world very much is a big part
of why that is those kinds of that age problematic.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
He is a problem It totally is like the difference
between you at twenty something and you late thirties is
you're a whole different person.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, and somebody who you think he hung the moon, right,
and the night before you're lacking. All your dreams are
coming true. He's like, except for that, if you don't
sign this, we're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Because he knew that if he told her a couple
of weeks before, she'd have time to think it through.
Oh my god, it's fucked up.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Maybe even call the X and see see how he
was as a husband. So Leita, of course, is shell
shocked by the flood of information and deb Miller Landau
writes in her book quote, the guests are coming, everything
is set. There's simply no backing out.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
She's dizzy in love, naive and desperate.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
To just get on with their life together because it'd
beyond her. She got to cancel the wedding at that,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, people would be like,
why are you canceling? Not him? Yes, and also fucked up.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, the agreement where it's like we're going to share
our lives together. If that's the plan, then you have
to say we're going to share lives together, but you
won't be getting any of this money that I kind
of throw around that I use to lure you into this.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Release, right right, Like there's a clause and a contract
to our love.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
No one's anti prenap, right, just you can't talk about
it the night before.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, and yeah you can't. It's just that that's right.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
It has to kind of be the understanding of like
the it's a mutual agreement.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, Vincent, I don't have one, Just in case anyone's
thinking that I'm trying to Oh, I'll call him on
the phone on my drive home from this recordings. We'll
just see.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Okay, don't worry, listener, I'll get to the bottom.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
R George's prenap is that he can't talk about his prenap.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
So Lyda's forced to sign the document. The next day,
she marries Jim. Her mom Joanne, will later call their
wedding quote the worst day of my life.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh God. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So Lida and Jim settle into a huge house in Macon, Georgia,
near the beverage company. They're now living in a well
to do, tight knit community, far removed from the sprawling
metropolis of Atlanta, and at this time, interracial couples are
rare in the South. Georgia had only recently repealed laws
criminalizing marriages between black and white people, only recently because

(25:21):
it's the at this point the late seventies seconding, so
even in the big city, their relationship drew attention. But
now that they're in Macon, the judgment around their relationship
is even more acutely felt. But while Jim, as a
white male owner of a multimillion dollar business, inherently has power,
Lda feels very alone in this upper crust, very white

(25:44):
Macon community. And then Jim discourages her from working, so
she's isolated even further. But she takes action. She manages
to become very active and influential in Macon's charities and
organizations and in nineteen seventy nine. She ends up meant
during the first Black Missmaken a woman named Evette Miller,

(26:04):
so she starts getting involved in her community.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
You got to have those girlfriends. It's like vital, whether
or not it's like a job or you know, yes,
terrible work.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
You've got to have those girlfriends and your own kind
of like I mean, I think that is the thing
that women have really come to terms.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
With these days.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
It's like you have to build an interior life and
a nexterior life, no matter what your situation is. Totally
the problem is though, in this situation behind closed doors,
the Sullivan's relationship is unraveling. Jim's behavior has become very
odd with this kind of huge influx of money and
business and everything. For example, he starts wearing his dead
uncle's clothes, including his underwear, while at home, but then

(26:46):
when he goes out in public, he changes into the
expensive outfits that kind of fit the occasion. It's insane.
He also becomes so obsessed with saving money.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Listen to this.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
He makes her use the plastic covering that comes with
their dry cleaning to wrap leftovers so they don't have
to buy saran wrap.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Oh my God. First of all, the microplastics and toxins
that are in like, that's the first thing insane. Secondly,
what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, he clearly it isn't helping him to have all
this money. It isn't benefit his life, isn't becoming richer,
because that's why it was right, Yes, you're going you're
going to be unhappy.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
So that's just a little example of the kind of
Howard Hughes stuff he was starting to pull. Deb Miller
Landau reports Jim gives Rida a very tight weekly allowance
of one hundred and fifty dollars a week, and that's
worth around seven hundred dollars a week today, which might
sound like a lot, except Lida has to buy everything

(27:48):
for the household, from groceries to dog food, to gas
for the cars and everything that in terms of entertaining
other wealthy people so they have dinner parties. She has
to have the house looking beautiful and immaculate, with all
the best furniture and all the best dishwareres exactly fuck that.
It all comes out of that allowance. Also her hair

(28:11):
and nail appointments and her clothes. She can look together
and play the part Jim's so restrictive with their finance,
as Lida struggles to pay for meals while she's on
lunch dates even though they're millionaires. Then the inevitable Lida
begins to suspect that Jim is having affairs. She finds
a blonde hair in their bathroom. Then a Christmas card

(28:33):
addressed to Jim arrives at their house, but inside is
a lot of stuff about missing all of your kisses.
It's specifically written to him. Then the inside is as
if he lives by himself. So Lida reaches out to
the woman who sends that card, and she basically confirms
her husband's infidelity. But Jim not only sweet talks his

(28:53):
way out of any consequences with Lida, but he begins
to shower her with lavish gifts and a bigger weekly allowance.
So essentially she's kind of gas lit into forgetting about
these indiscretions. And then about ten years into their marriage,
Jim abruptly announces he's selling the beverage company and then
they're going to move to Palm Beach, Florida, and Lyda

(29:16):
clearly has no say in the matter. They move into
a massive seventeen thousand square foot mansion in a community
that's even wealthier and whiter than the one they just
lived in. And for perspective, this new house that he
buys is just down the street from mar Lago. Oh shit,
So it's in the heart of that. So Jim sets

(29:39):
out to woo the Palm Beach crowd. He wants to
be one of them, one of the players, but he
soon realizes having a black wife will not be advantageous
for him in that crowd. In fact, he comes to
understand Lyda is simply not welcome in certain circles. We
call those circles racist circles. So true to his ambition form,

(30:01):
Jim just starts leaving Lyda at home. And it's around
that same time he begins an affair with a local
socialite named Sukie Rogers. When Leda finds another woman's underwear
in their bed, this is deb Miller. Lando refers to
it as quote the bra that broke the camel's back.

(30:21):
So Leda packs her bags heads back to the townhouse
that they used to live in in Atlanta, and she
files for divorce. After years of enduring her husband's callous,
controlling behavior, Leda is finally breaking free from him. But
now she fazes the grim reality that because she abandoned
her career or the beginnings of a career, and she
signed that prenup, that she basically might leave this awful

(30:44):
marriage without a penny. So she decides she's going to
sue Jim for divorce and fight for what she rightfully deserves.
So this brings us back to that winter morning in
nineteen eighty seven when Lida is getting ready for that
morning and day court. The doorbell rings. She opens the
door to a flower delivery man. She greets him. He

(31:07):
pulls a gun, shoots once, and missus shoots again and
hits her in the head, and then he runs upstairs.
Leida's friend, Poppy and Poppy's toddler hear those gunshots and
they run and hide in a closet. They don't know
what's going on. When Leida's neighbors hear the noise, they
look outside and they see a white, middle aged man

(31:27):
running down the street. So the police are called and
they arrive on scene almost immediately, and although Lida's taken
to the hospital, she's declared dead. They believe she died
minutes after the gunshot wound she's only thirty five years old,
and we'll learn later that on the same day, Jim
will write in his diary quote, Suki and I celebrate

(31:48):
with Champagne and caviare celebrate.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
What he doesn't say, okay, fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
So from the moment they hear the news, Leida's parents
are absolutely convinced Jim soul and killed their daughter. Not
only were Leda and Jim in the middle of a
bitter divorce, but the idea and the fact that she's
murdered on the morning of the hearing where they decide
how much she's going to get, makes it clear that
this is just not a coincidence. There's no deliberation. Jim

(32:18):
gets everything. That's the reason it happened on that day.
Except Jim does have an alibi and its air tight.
At the time of Lida's murder, he was in Palm
Beach with Suki, right but still the police head to
Florida to question him. They administer a polygraph, he passes it,
but he's still not ruled out. They start looking at

(32:39):
other potential suspects, including Poppy's husband, a man named Marvin Marble.
Marvin doesn't like Lida because he thinks she's encouraging Poppy
to leave him. In fact, in their investigation, police discover
that Marvin has bugged their house phone and recorded hundreds
of hours of conversations between Leada and Poppy.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
He's a sacred conversation space.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
And then he sends those tapes down to Florida for
Jim to listen to, and the two men bond over
their shared marital issues.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Gross So, while.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Marvin clearly dislikes Leada, there is no solid evidence tying
him to this murder, but he does end up getting
probation free illegal eavesdropping. The good news about those recordings
is they provide information like the fact that Lida, who
just for clarity, is legally separated at this point, talks
to Poppy about the men she's dating. So Jim immediately

(33:36):
seizes on this and tells investigators one of those men
might be Leada's killer. Detectives look into that lead, nothing
comes of it, so time passes, and meanwhile Jim sells
the townhouse Leda was living in, turns a profit of
around in today's money, three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars,
and that with that cuts his last ties to the

(33:58):
McClinton family. Just eight months after Leida's death, Jim Sullivan,
Mary Suki, and Palm Beach. Back in Georgia, detectives continue
to track down leads. They're working with three descriptions of
different men they believe were all tied to the murder.
One was provided by Leada's neighbors who saw the man fleeing.
They got a very good look at that shooter. The

(34:21):
other two descriptions are from a local flora shop near
Leida's townhouse and the Yeah So, the florist remembers selling
roses to a man around eight am the morning of
Leida's death. The florist remembers this customer was strangely ambivalent
about what kind of roses he wanted to buy, and
that he wasn't alone. He pulled up with another man

(34:41):
who waited out in the car. It was a sales
transaction that was bizarre enough that the florists thought these
men were going to rob him. So, yeah, so he
committed their faces to memory and then called the police
and was able to describe them.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So. The sketches of these three men are drawn up
based on the descriptions, but investigators don't know who they are.
None of them look like Jim Sullivan, though, detect to
start wondering if Leda's death could have been a murder
for hire, and the evidence starts supporting this idea. So
police learned that calls were placed from restop payphones and
from a Howard Johnson motel near Atlanta to Jim's home

(35:22):
in Palm Beach around the time of the murder, and
then they learn some suspicious phone calls Jim made to
people in Atlanta around the same time. One was placed
three days before Leida was killed, and that same morning,
a strange man in a baseball cap banged on Lyda's
door around six am. She heard it, but it freaked

(35:44):
her out so much she didn't answer it, but she
called friends to tell them what happened. Hours later, around
eight am, Jim calls Marvin Marble, Poppy's husband, and asked
for confirmation that Leadas still lived in that townhouse. Poppy
were divorced by this point, so Marvin genuinely did not
know where Leda was. An hour later, at nine am,

(36:07):
Jim calls Leda's neighbor, a man named Bob Christensen. The
two men knew each other as neighbors, but they hadn't
spoken in over a year, so Bob was surprised to
get this call from Jim. Jim claimed that he was
checking in on Lida after hearing that there'd been some
quote suspicious activity at the town, but technically he would

(36:27):
have no way of knowing that there was any suspicious
activity because Leda wasn't in conversation with him.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm sorry, but these people are bad at this, really bad.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
And it's also it's that kind of late eighties crime
where you're just like, oh, this is all so just
laying out right there.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, it's like it's tragic in its just latant stupidity. Yeah,
you know, Yeah, it's just so infuriating, so infuriating.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
So none of this looks good for Jim obviously, but
there's still no conclusive proof that he is involved with
Leada's death. Police are trying to find these three unidentified
men for this case, knowing that if they can identify them,
they might be able to solve it. So detective zero
in on those calls placed from that Howard Johnson's motel room.

(37:15):
They learned three men stayed together in that room and
arrived in a car with North Carolina plates. Then they
learned they booked the room under the name Johnny Furr.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Fur with two RS.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
So there are around one hundred and fifty men with
that name Johnny Furr in North Carolina alone. Interesting, but
at this point it was being used as an alias
because they learned that all the details associated with this
motel reservation or fake. Meanwhile, down in Florida, Jim gets

(37:49):
into and so this is like when these things kind
of like if you're too cocky about your very overt
murder for higher plan, things start to come together against you.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Because you think you're smarter than everyone, so you don't
take steps to like not be dumb.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, because and listen how dumb this is. Jim gets
into a fender bender in his Rolls Royce and even
though he's not at fault in this vender bender, the
responding officer notices that Jim's driving with an expired registration
and on a suspended license because he has eighteen traffic violations,
so they suspended his license, so the cop writs Jim

(38:30):
a ticket.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Again. Jim is a millionaire.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
He could have just paid the fine and been done
with it, but instead he goes to traffic court to
fight the ticket, and he tells the judge that it
was actually his wife, Suki, not him, who was driving
that day, and in sworn testimony, Suki backs Jim's story up.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh Jesus, honey.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
The judge is so confused by this whole story that
he ends up dropping the charges, but officials in the
courtroom find the exchange so weird. They dig into the
police report and they confirm that Jim was in fact
driving the car that day. So the state of Florida
takes both Jim and Suki to court for perjury. Which

(39:15):
who were those court officials? Like, who were the ones
that were standing there being like, wait, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Because crucial actually to that, So.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Don't right, you can get caught easily.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You're there to lie to get yourself out of a
fee that you deserve to pay totally and have the
money to pay totally, but you're wearing your dead uncle's underwear,
so you're not.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Going to pay it. Who I forgot about that work? Okay? Okay.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
At this point, Suki and Jim have been married for
less than three years, but this incident is the final
straw for Suki. Not only does she dump Jim, but
during their bitter, very public divorce proceedings, Suki shocks everyone
by testifying in court that Jim admitted to her that
he had leave murdered.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
So now the FBI is called in. There are two
big problems. Detectives still can't find the men who were
staying at the Howard Johnson's. Plus the statue of limitations
for a federal murder for higher case is only five years,
so time is about to run out. So in a
total hail Mary move, the US Attorney files charges against

(40:22):
Jim that specifically involved using quote interstate commerce facilities, which
in this case refers to calling state from Georgia to
Florida to carry out a murder for hire. The judge
dismisses this case over lack of evidence, and Jim is
allowed to leave the courtroom a freeman that day. It's
a devastating blow for Emory and Joanne McClinton, who are

(40:45):
certain that Jim's just got away with having their daughter murdered.
So in the early nineteen nineties, they file a wrongful
death lawsuit against Jim Sullivan, and that jury rules in
their favor. Jim is found guilty and is ordered to
pay the mcclinton's four million dollars in damages, which is
over eleven million dollars in today's money. But because Jim

(41:07):
is a trained accountant, he manages to hide his assets.
Then he appeals the ruling and he wins after arguing
that the case was filed after the statute of limitations
in Florida had already expired, which was only two years
for a wrongful death suit.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Stop it with these statute limitations, Like they're just baiting
criminals to be better at their fucking crimes. Yes, it's
so ridiculous, it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
So it really does seem at this point like Jim
Sullivan is about to get away with murder. Until nineteen
ninety eight, more than a decade after Leeda's murder, when
a tip rolls in from Beaumont, Texas Verre. A woman
named Belinda works as a receptionist for a local law
office and something's been weighing on her mind, very heavily

(41:55):
and for a long time. Belinda confides to a lawyer
at this law firm about her ex husband from North Carolina,
a man named Tony Hardwood. I thought the name was Harwood.
When I was first reading this, and I'm like, the
name is Hardwood. Tony Harwood floors the word hard in
her last name. Oh, I'm not blinking at that.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You don't care. People don't want it to be hard Stark.
They just don't. They'll write anything else because it just
doesn't somehow compute in their heads. So I'm not blinking
at that.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
But hard Stark is like a conceptual name that actually
sounds really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Hardwood is just a type of floor you're standing on.
So it's jokes too.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Tony Linoleum here to testify, Okay. So Blinda says that
Tony used to pick up gigs as a mover in
some of his work, and on one of these jobs,
he moved furniture from Georgia to Palm Beach for a
rich client who later asked him to carry out a
murder for hire. Blinda witnessed the rich man giving Tony

(42:55):
a big envelope of cash at one point, and she
says that the rich man was white, his wife lived
in Atlanta and she was black, and that Tony told
her he couldn't get the wife to answer her front door.
So Belinda suggested because she didn't really understand that her
ex husband was actually acting as a hitman. She suggests

(43:18):
that he poses as a floral delivery man. So she
realizes this is all real and it's like, oh, my god,
and that makes me like feels terrible and has to
tell this lawyer. The lawyer sits on this information for
a second and then he sees an episode of Extra
outlining Lyda's case. Shit, so it has made it all

(43:40):
the way to like tabloid TV.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
You have to say it Extra.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Then he called, my god, that show was just like
in all of our lives, like it was the seven
o'clock news.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, it was better.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
It's like hard copy Extra Entertainment tonight. Yes, don't all
have a seizure?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Okay. So when this.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Lawyer sees that, he calls the FBI and he gives
them this information Blinda told him, and it blows the
case wide open. Authorities tell Blinda to reach out to
her ex husband to try to get him to talk more,
and she does. Their conversation is monitored by the police.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
A lot of those recordings of someone trying to fucking
get information from someone and pretending that they're like I
just love hearing those because some people are so good
at it, and some people are so bad at it,
but the criminal still fucking talks no matter what, like yeah,
or they you could tell they know, and they're like,
I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I don't know why you're trying to get me to
say that exact phrase, but I'm not saying it. It's
the same thing where it's like when people have to
like recite lines or whatever. It's like acting is really hard,
Like the idea that you're just gonna be like I'm
having a casual ex wife x husband conversation with you,
no big deal.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Totally trying to sound casual. Jesus.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
When I try to send casual, I try to make
my voice as high as possible.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's good to know.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, don't use that against me, Okay. So Blinda asks
Tony about Lda's murder, and he says enough to place
himself the scene of the crime. Also, when they look
at those sketches that the police had, Tony looks like
one of them. So that's enough to arrest Tony in
North Carolina. He's interviewed for several hours. He admits to

(45:24):
taking Jim's money in exchange for Leada's murder. He also
claims he didn't actually pull the trigger. He claims he
found another person to actually carry out the hit, but
he is unclear on who that person is. But Jim
Sullivan is named as the mastermind behind Lda's death, and
of course he starts to realize Tony's arrested. It's the

(45:46):
inevitable future for him, so he flees the country and
is living entirely off the grid because Jim is a
white male millionaire and is like, kab, I see you later.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
It goes to Taiwan, ends up on the FBI's Most
Wanted list. He's also featured on America's Most Wanted. Is
still no one can find him. But then the Florida
Supreme Court reverses the lower court's ruling that Jim does
not have to pay that four million dollar damage to
the McClinton family, and they do that on the grounds

(46:19):
that Leda was killed in Georgia, So the courts should
have been respecting the Georgia Statute of Limitations, which is
longer than Florida's Statute of Life.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I can't told the judge that, and I'm barely a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, you just got to be a lawyer from nine
years of this podcast. So Emery and Joanne win this case.
They know they're not going to see that money, but
it does feel to them like a small symbolic step
toward justice. At least something is happening in the right
direction on this case. So this is now fifteen years
after Lida's murder. It's two thousand and two, and someone

(46:55):
in Thailand is watching America's Most Wanted and they recognize
the man on the screen as a man who lives
in their condo complex with.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Them back Man.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
So they call the police and an early July of
two thousand and two, police officers show up to Jim
Sullivan's secret beachfront condo in Thailand, Tawan Tawan. After fifteen
long years, Jim Sullivan is finally arrested for the murder
of Lida McClinton. He's brought back to Georgia for the

(47:24):
murder trial, and as part of his plea deal, Tony
Hardwood testifies against him. Tony winds up pleading guilty de
mandslaughter charges as part of this deal. In two thousand
and six, a racially diverse jury of nine women and
three men find Jim Sullivan guilty of the murder of
Leada McClinton. When that sentence is handed down, Emery and

(47:46):
Joanne burst into tears and hold each other in the courtroom.
It's now been nearly twenty years since their daughter was murdered.
Jim Sullivan is sentenced to life in prison without the
possibility of parole. He is still in prison today. Hardwood
serves twenty years and he gets out in twenty eighteen
and is now free. No one else has been charged

(48:07):
in Leada mcclinton's murder. Tony Hardwood will eventually refute the
idea that of the two other men from the flower shop,
he claims he purchased the flowers himself. There was no
second person present. He just implicates a man he will
only refer to as quote John the Bartender as the actual.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Hitman that day. So he just won't.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, he can't either deal with the fact that he
did it or there's somebody else that he's not. He's
not rotting out, which is chilling. Once Jim Sullivan's guilty
verdict is finally handed down after all those years, Joanne
Mclinton talks to reporters and she says to them this
one quote he's taken something we can't ever get back.

(48:48):
There is no closure when you've lost a child. You
can live with it better, but there is no closure
end quote. In twenty twenty three, Emrie McClinton passes away
after a long illness at the age of night. Joanne
McClinton is still alive in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Today.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
There's a bronze sculpture commemorating Leada mcclinton's life at Atlanta's
Oakland Cemetery. The plaque on it reads, quote, in loving
memory of dearest Leeda, the giver whose inner beauty was
blinding smiles, love and tears. And that's the tragic story
of the murder of Leada McClinton. Wow, So go read

(49:27):
the devil went down to Georgia. Yeah, to read all
of the details of this crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Twisty jarney and the crazy details. Yeah. So long for
him to get fucking justice. I know. Wow, great job,
Thank you. Okay, So we left off with your story
in prison, and we're going to stay there for the
beginning of my story, just for a moment, because this

(49:56):
is the story of a brazen prison break by a
group of INN mates who managed to evade capture for
six weeks. This is the story of the Texas Seven.
And you like prison breaks stuff, right, like you've done.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I find it very exciting.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Okay, well this one is hold on to your pants, yeah,
wherever you got grip something. The main sources for the
story are a sixty minute segment from two thousand and one,
a crime library article by Gary C. King, and then
this old school like crime show called mug Shots that
was very.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Mug Shots Shots.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
It's you know, it's like they come and turn it aside,
They're like, here's the we're gonna Yeah. I don't know
what year it is, but I hope it's old because
much Shots felt like it, and the rest of the
sources could be found in the show notes. So we're
starting with the main mug shot guy, George Reavis. He's
thirty years old and he's serving seventeen life sentences uh

(50:54):
oh at the John B. Connolly Penitentiary in southeastern Texas.
So fucking long time in prison in Texas.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Can I just say this when we talk about jail
breaks being exciting, like, for example, if you go listen
to infamous International Pink Panthers, Yeah, those are some great
jail breaks by people who like to steal diamonds right
when we're talking about a man who has seventeen life sentences. Yes,
that's bad. We don't want those people.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
One hundred percent unless let me tell you something about that. Okay.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I was just scared that I sounded like I was
backing up. No, Okay, multiple murderers escaping jail.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Only people would think, who think that comment on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
So you're fine, Ah, who are those people?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
So this prison is between San Antonio and Corpus Christy
George is there for armed robbery and aggravated kidnapping, and
that is bad. I'm not fucking making any excuses. In
nineteen ninety three, in his early twenties, he had robbed
several stores in El Paso. He kind of like, I
don't know, he really enjoyed robbing places. Okay, as a

(51:58):
teenager and into his twenties, even though he was like
going to college, he had children and a wife, seemingly
normal life. It's just he had this rebellious streak in
him that made him keep doing this.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Made him put guns in people's faces.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yes, and that is traumatic for a lifetime for all
of those people. But the kidnapping part refers to handcuffing
some store employees and locking them in a different part
of the store. Oh so that's counted in Texas or
we know wherever else as kidnapping. So he didn't abduct anyone,
he didn't kill anyone. And the number of life sentences

(52:33):
in Texas is equal to the number of hostages you took,
or like the number of kidnappings, not the severity of
the crime. Okay, so seventeen people in the store that
he put in the bathroom or whatever is seventeen life sentences,
gotch So for a young man, that is the thirty years.
That's the rest of your life in your mind entirely.

(52:53):
And there's no parole happening. So you know, he goes
in in his early twenties. By late two thousand, in
his thirties, he is a model prisoner. His behavioral record
is impeccable. He's what's considered a trustee, meaning an inmate
who's seen as well behaved, i responsible, and so he
has a coveted job in the prison's maintenance department. He's

(53:15):
also totally fucking over it. Yeah, I mean, who isn't
in prison, Like that's not special. But he's despondent at
the idea that he will be spending the rest of
his life behind bars. So he starts to cook up
a plan. And he was going to school for engineering
when he got caught. Like he's a smart guy, he's
a planner, he's a thinker. Yeah, you know. The first

(53:37):
step of his plan is recruiting other inmates. George had
been more of a career criminal, as I said, but
some of the people he chooses have been convicted of
horrendous crimes, so this is not a feel good story
in any way. Violent crimes including rape, murder, and a
horrific incident of physical abuse against a child. These are

(54:00):
not fucking good guys for George. He doesn't really care.
He might not even know what they're in there for,
who knows, But for his plan to work, most of
the other guys involved have to have that same job
assignment that he does in the maintenance department, so that
just kind of happens that that's who he teams up with.
They are often left alone in there to complete tasks,

(54:20):
maybe with one or two maintenance workers, but no corrections
officers because they're trusted. The other men George recruits are
named Patrick Murphy, Donald Newberry, Larry Harper, Joseph Garcia, and
Randy Halprin, and they're all in their twenties and thirties,
and they all have very long sentences, so they've incentive
to escape. The final inmate, who doesn't work in the
maintenance department, is also let into the plan, and his

(54:42):
name is Michael Rodriguez. I'm not going to get like
two into the weeds with the escape because it's complicated
and there's a lot of luck involved. They got away
with some like a lot of things had to be
on their side that day for them to have gotten
away with it. The prison has three towers staffed by
armed guards, and it's surrounded by double twelve foot fences

(55:04):
topped with razor wires, so they're not going over the
top of that, they're not running off. There's also a
patrol vehicle staff with another armed guard, which moves around
the outside of the complex. But none of that matters
because George's plan is to take over a small portion
of the prison by force. Oh So, on December thirteenth,
two thousand, George and almost all of the members of

(55:25):
his crew are at their jobs at the maintenance building.
They ask one of the guards if they can stay
behind during lunch break to wax the floors or some
such shit. The guard lets them, which isn't rare. It's
not the first time it's happened that they're left pretty
much unsupervised. One maintenance supervisor stays behind with the group,
but all of the corrections officers go to lunch, so

(55:47):
it's not an officer who stays behind. It's like a civilian.
Through a series of events that involve some planning and
as I said, some straight up luck, the men are
able to overpower guards and maintenance workers, like to pull
guards and maintenance workers, steal their weapons and then change
into the close of those maintenance workers and corrections officers.

(56:08):
It's complicated, but they fucking pull it off beautifully. Unfortunately,
at this point, the rest of the inmates have driven
over in a maintenance truck which really is scheduled to
be going into town that day, so no one looking
from Afar question seeing it at the gate, and so
at this point they run over there tour in the
cab four hiding under a big piece of plywood in

(56:30):
the bed, and then George, who at this point has
snuck into the patrol tower opens, the gate goes down
into the truck hops in, and everyone drives away like
in a truck easily. Yeah. You know, when they leave,
they have taken with them sixteen guns of varying sizes ammunition,
as well as money, credit cards, and IDs from the

(56:51):
prison workers and guards. So they just like were immediately
armed and dangerous, and.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
This is stuff they got their hands on within the jail.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
By overpowering the guards and maintenance workers. You know, authorities
at the prison figure out what has happened pretty much immediately,
and they know that the group of escaped inmates is
heading towards town, so they're out there looking for the
truck immediately. It's an immediate man hunt. But what they
don't know is that one of the inmates father had
also been in on the plan, and he had left

(57:21):
a car in a local Walmart parking lot four miles
away from the prison. So they take that trek to
the parking lot, they hop into this car instead and
they're out of town. Come on, boy, dads, let's be
better than this. Yeah, let's not. Don't supply your kids
with a getaway car.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I mean, I wonder if it's that kind of thing
where it's just like you get out and I'll make
it so that you can stay out type of thing.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
No one wants anyone to be in jail.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
That's the thing too, is like prison is help. I
mean any sure, right, So that idea of like you're
in jail, you have twelve life sentences and you're getting
bummed where it's like planned for that. Yeah, yeah, act accordingly, Yeah,
learn something. The high of the risk, right, isn't going
to be worth it, especially in Texas. Okay, So anyway,

(58:09):
some codependent dad is like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
You're gonna be okay, I've got you. Yeah, as long
as you come home for whatever. So the group stops
overnight in San Antonio, then proceeds to Houston. They rob
a radio shack in a suburb called Pearland. Pearl Land probably.
The group arrives at the store right around closing time,
and this is kind of their emo. A clerk at
the store named Michael. He's only nineteen years old, and

(58:32):
when they take their guns out, he starts hyperventilating and
one of the robbers reads his name tag and says, quote,
calm down, Michael, take deep breaths. So they're actually like
kind of nice to him. After tying Michael up and
putting him in the store's bathroom, the inmates start taking
cash and electronics out of the store. But while they're
doing this, Michael's dad pulls up into the parking lot

(58:54):
to pick him up, and it's like closing time, so
there's no other cars, Like, it's very sketchy, ends up
tying him up as well, and puts him in the
store's bathroom with Michael. When Michael is interviewed about his
experience with the escaped convicts, he later says, quote they
were nice guys. End quote, So like, oh, I don't
think George Reaves had intentions to hurt people. I think

(59:15):
it almost seems like it was a game to him
to rob places, you know, like a me against the
world kind of a thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Except yeah, I mean, it's nice they gave him. He's right,
they gave him a nice breathing technique. And so I'm
sure Michael's like, but don't you think that's Ultimately it's like, well,
what's he supposed to do. He's not going to cry
and say that was the most traumatic thing that's ever happened.
He has to be like it's okay.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
There's no like good calm robbery, Like that's not a thing. Yeah. No,
And as I said, some of the criminals were originally
convicted of some very awful crimes, so it means nothing.
There's a reason he was hyperventilating. Yeah, and he was right. Yea. Now,
the planners with the group to stay together until they've
gotten enough cash through robberies to buy fake id's, and

(01:00:02):
then they will all go their separate ways. So seven
dudes together seems like an obvious thing to me. But
who am I you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Like the people would spot them and be like, yeah, hey,
that's not a book club.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
How does the seating work in a car because it
was a small car, Like someone's on the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Lap, yeah, or someone's like you get in the way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Back in the trunk yeah, yeah, the truck who rides
in the trunk on this one? Yeah, Rock paper scissors.
And so for the moment, they're actually enjoying their freedom.
George later says, quote, we were all ecstatic. Honestly, we
knew there was a serious man hunt, but every day
was precious to us. The freedom of walking to the
corner store and buying a soda, a newspaper and the

(01:00:40):
clerk saying good morning, how are you? It was beautiful
end quote.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
That's how I used to feel when I lived in
San Francisco and worked at the GAP.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I get to do what I want. I mean, yeah,
but you still do Yeah, it doesn't do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I didn't do any crime, so I just took my
six twenty five an hour and made something of myself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
God damn it. So George says that after he gets
a fake ID, he just wants to disappear somewhere and
get a job as a cook and live a normal life.
Of course, it doesn't work out that way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Surprise, surprise, never does these jail breaks, never.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Does, doesn't. The fun comes to a grinding halt and
a tragic end on Christmas Eve. By this point, the
men have made their way to the Dallas area and
they're going to try to get everything they need to
secure their lives in hiding at an Ashman's sporting goods
store in Irving, Texas. Why is that, buddy, I don't know.
We have one and put a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
It's that kind of thing where it just like, go
to ash get everything you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Need to live. What's their jingle? I don't know if
they have one. Go Ashman's no, that's why I at No,
that sounded good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I mean it's just like one of those general kind
of overalls and hammers and exactly maybe a Christmas tree's
probably tense. Yeah, so that's like they kind of ever
getting everything they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Need soming bird feeders, bird feeders, and then necessity you're
on the lamb. So right at closing time, three members
of the group approach a manager at the sporting good
store ask him to call all of his employees to
the front, And we know that George is one of
these three, but it's not totally clear who the other
two are. They say they want to show the staff
some pictures of some people who've been robbing local stores.

(01:02:18):
So another ruse that like sounds kind of legit. Yeah,
like the flower delivery thing right right, And also like
the manager's probably like a twenty three year old community
college student who's like fucking exhausted.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah, so what's sure, Yes, get this done. I'm trying
to close out and count all my count my registers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Right, It's like your friend at Staples. It's like, well,
he's wearing the outfit, so I believe him. He must
know what he's talking exactly. Of course, as soon as
the employees are assembled, they pull out the guns and
force all the employees to go to a back room,
tie them up, and then rob the store. And because
it's Christmas Eve, there's seventy grand in the cash registers,
and that's the year two thousand, so in today's money,

(01:02:57):
that seventy grand would be fifty dollars one hundred and thirty.
You overshot, which is like ambitious though, that's me, you know,
like that's me in a nutshell. I feel like this
one thirty is wrong, not you, you know what I mean,
Like it should be. It should be a lot more
fucking should be. Yeah. The group takes all of it,
and they also steal forty guns from the store's inventory,

(01:03:18):
which has to scare the shit out of the law
enforcement chasing them. Knowing that they have all these guns
from the prison and ammunition and they're stealing a bunch
of guns too, It just makes it that much. They
have an armory, yeah, like a traveling armory. Yeah, Like
they are armed and dangerous to the fucking tith. Yeah.
So they also take a lot of ammunition and lots
of warm winter clothing. They also take the keys to

(01:03:39):
one of the employee's cars, which is like such a
bummer if you work at Oshman's, like your car, your
Toyota Camri hand me down, Yes, exactly, guys take it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I wonder if they took those keys and then they
make copies of those keys, because that's another thing you
can get done if it's anything like it's Ashman's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Or Orchard Supply.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, which which name is it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Ashman Ashman? Yeah, but I know what you're talking about.
You know those small town hardware stores and that don't
exist anymore in sporting good stores, right, they kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Have everything see you later. We used to be able
to get it all done.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
They have the tiny model tents that you can't buy
for your cat, which is so infuriating, Like, let me
buy the tiny model tent for my fucking cat. It's
clearly a cat bed. It's a cat bed, it's a
cat toy. Like stop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, there's kind of nothing better than a small town
hardware store.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Oh my god. I could spend hours. And I remember
the one in San Francisco and the Castro when I
used to do my bank run where I go for
my job to the bank, and I go to the
fucking spend so much time in that hardware store.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
It was beautiful, the hardwind store that would have like
front windows displays where it's like Dorothy walking down the
yellow brick road, but they're like but also nail yes time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
And then there's just like weird stuff that's kind of pastel. Yeah. Yeah.
So all of this robbing of the Ashman's might have
gone off without a hitch, but an off duty employee
from that same sporting good store again had been in
the parking lot waiting to pick someone up, saw this
scene like it should be closing time, and there these
unfamiliar people bustling around after hours and there's no employees anywhere.

(01:05:09):
So this person calls the police, and one of the
first two officers to report to the scene is a
man named Aubrey Hawkins. He's twenty nine years old and
he has only been on the job for a little
over a year, and so it's Christmas Eve. He's eating
dinner at a nearby olive garden with his family when
he gets the call over his radio and he leaves
to respond to it. Officer Hawkins arrives at the same

(01:05:31):
time as another police officer, and that officer positions himself
at the front of the store, and Aubrey pulls around
to the back. And it's possible that the escapees had
a police modern scanner, so they knew that this is happening.
He gets to the back just as the whole group
of escapees are heading out the back door, and they
immediately start shooting at the officer. We know that George

(01:05:54):
is among those who shoot Aubrey because he will later
take full responsibility for his death, but it sounds like
the other two members of the group who are with
him also fire a bunch of shots, so it's unclear
you know, which shot actually killed him, But they do
shoot Officer Hawkins eleven times. They run over him with
their car as they fled the scene. It's just so awful.

(01:06:15):
Hawkins dies at the hospital shortly after his arrival. He
leaves behind a wife and nine year old son. So
it's just senseless and awful. But like, what are the
escapeest things going to happen when they bring forty plus
guns into the game like these. You know, Georgryvis is
trying to be like I wanted it to be peaceful.
I didn't wanted to get hurt. But it's like, don't
surround yourself with like violent criminals and guns.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Well you can't. There's no controlling it. You have to
admit that you have unleashed this force, right. I don't
understand though, if people are witnessing what they think is
some sort of a robbery, you're only sending two people
over there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I think that they were just so close they got
their first yeah, you know, God, so yeah, maybe the
protocol was like you should wait until there's more, but
you know, it's a small town. He's a new officer.
Maybe he just and it thinks he's pulling into the back,
like they don't even know what's actually happening yet.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
And it's a true band of criminal's armed to the teeth.
It's worst case scenario. Exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
At this point, the prison escape has been huge news.
It's like they're kind of like these I don't know,
people are kind of like cheering for them in a
way until they kill a police officer, right, and they're
in Texas, by the way, so shit goes off. The
group then becomes known as the Texas Seven, and a
hundred thousand dollars reward is issued. For information that leads

(01:07:34):
to their capture. That amount winds up getting raised to
five hundred thousand dollars, which in today's money is almost
a million, nine hundred and twenty six thousand dollars. On
New Year's Day in two thousand and one, a group
of seven men randomly, that's seven men who were they
They arrive at the coach Light RV park in Woodland Park, Colorado.

(01:07:54):
By this point, the group has made efforts to grow beards,
they change their appearances, George's hair so that it's like
really blonde, and they arrive in an RV and they
also have a jeep with them, and they tell the
RV park manager that they're a group of Christian missionaries
in town to spread Jesus's word, and the manager thinks

(01:08:16):
they look like nice guys and like invites them to
their Bible study because there's a lot of religious people
in this RV park. Yeah apparently. Yeah, So it's actually
kind of a good cover for like seven dudes together, right,
which is very suspicious.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
It is very much So I was going to say
they should say that they're like a jam band. We're
a cover band of some kind, and it's like Roady's
and band members.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
But what if, like, hey, give us a show tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
There's like, sorry, we're also very religious and we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Today's the Lord's day. It's Monday. No no, no, my lord,
my yeah, personal in my religion, my sweet lord. They
join the local Bible study within the r V park.
They hang out at local bars, and they seem to
get along well with the community. And it's you know,
a small community. But on January twentieth, so like that's
a long time. Also the same day George W. Bush

(01:09:05):
is inaugurated. Oh thank you to Ali for putting that
in there. An episode of America's Most Wanted airs and
features the story of the Texas Seven. The owner of
the RV park sees this and he's interviewed in the
Smugshots show and he's just like, chill as fuck. Yeah,
put the flannel on. He's exactly who you think he is.
And he's like, wait a second, these seven guys look

(01:09:26):
kind of familiar, but they're also like maybe they're not.
And so they go online on the new Internet to
make sure that they like match the description. And so
he's sure, at that point, without a doubt that these
are the same guys and he calls the local sheriff.
So the sheriff happens to be an RV owner himself,
and so he pretends to be a tourist. They like
change the plates so they're like out of town plates,

(01:09:48):
and they drive into the RV park with his own
trailer full of deputies. So smart, very smart. They spend
the night there watching the group, and in the morning, George, Michael, Rodriguez,
and Joseph Garcia drive the jeep to a nearby gas
station and the sheriff and his deputies follow them there.
Once they pull into the gas pump, several police cars
box them in on all sides and the officers pull

(01:10:11):
their guns. Of course, George, Michael, and Joseph surrender immediately.
George was like he had a gun on him. He
quickly considered it and then he was like, just surrender,
so he surrenders. Then later that day, Randy Halprin surrenders
to authorities at the trailer park. Larry Harper is there too,
but he refuses to surrender and dies by suicide. Rather

(01:10:33):
than coming out of the RV and going back to prison,
Donald Newberry and Patrick Murphy actually make a run for it.
But they are arrested two days later at a holiday
inn in Colorado Springs, so all six remaining members of
the Texas Seven wind up being extradited back to Texas.
They're charged with the murder of Officer Aubrey Hawkins, and
they're all convicted because it's that law of like, if

(01:10:55):
you were part of a group and someone got murdered,
you're all responsible for the murder. As of today, four
of the six have been executed, and the last surviving
members of the Texas Seven are Randy Halpern, the youngest
of the group, who is now in his mid forties,
and the other current surviving member of the Texas Seven
is Patrick Murphy, and he is still currently awaiting execution.

(01:11:16):
Neither Randy nor Patrick was actually present when Aubrey Hawkins
was shot, so they weren't the robbers at the Fashman
store that day. Also indicted for conspiracy the help the
Texas Seven are Patsy Gomez and Paul Rodriguez, the parents
of Michael Rodriguez, who hooked up the Walmart. Can't get
on my getaway car. Can't do it? You can't. I

(01:11:38):
don't know you would love your son. I understand and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Then the idea they're pulling into someone's old parents. Yeah,
just trying to like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Who maybe like didn't get what they were actually doing
and or just.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Are like, we don't want you to live in hell. Yeah,
we want you to somehow get away.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah. I mean this, this story, especially for George Rivas,
brings up the whole idea of rehabilitation and how like
that's supposed to be the point of our justice system,
and when you take that away from someone, there's no
point to their life anymore. There's no hope. Yeah, so
you need, like rehabilitation should be what we're aiming for.
Right at the time of his recapture, George says on

(01:12:16):
sixty minutes that he feels very remorseful about the death
of Officer Hawkins. George dies by lethal injection on February
twenty ninth, twenty twelve. He's forty one years old. His
final words are, I do apologize for everything that happened,
not because I am here, but for closure in your hearts.
I am ready to go end quote. Wow, and that

(01:12:37):
is the story of the prison break of the Texas Seven.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
That's kind of shocking to hear somebody a criminal that's
trying to say I'm not just saying this because of
this I want hopefully it's for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
He did seem to do that throughout his trial and
throughout before and after his cap you know, his sentencing.
He was very remorseful, and I think you know that
doesn't count much for Officer Hawkins family and friends. So
you know, take that with a grain of salt.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yeah, that's right. Wow, good one. Thank you a lot
to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Enough one, do it now, think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
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Let's do fucking horays and end this on a high note.
It's doew it, guys, we started doing fucking horays again.
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Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Okay, because the subject line of this is if my
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it says, howdy, I just listened to the latest episode
where you reintroduce fucking horays, and I thought to myself,
maybe i'll write in about how I'm handling my upcoming
fortieth birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
And what do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
You read a horay from a fellow Kelsey celebrating reaching thirty,
and then that Kelsey highlighted their best friend Kelsey with
an ie what are the odds?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
I used to get Chelsea'd all the time, but I've
met more and more Kelsey's, so I guess we aren't
too rare anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Anyway, I'll keep it short. No, you won't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I'm turning forty on April first. And then a parenthesis
it says I am most certainly in April fool and
it says and I'm having feelings about it for sure.
But here I am happily married, fully employed, awesome dog,
awesome cat, cozy home, heaps of gratitude, to have left
an eating disorder, damaging religious beliefs, and so much else
in the past. So whatever the hell is going on

(01:14:47):
out in the world, I am deeply, deeply grateful for
my small slice of it. Thank you, for your podcast
and fucking hooray for survival. One foot in front of
the other, keep moving forward, Kelsey.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
See what if every episode we have to read a
Kelsey like someone in kelse hous to write and we
can do it. Kelsey, Do you hear us Kelsey to
tell us your fucking horay?

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Kelsey spillt you thought it was something nobody wanted to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
We do. You're a Kelsey. Even though I cried on
my fortieth birthday, and I was partly because it was
the beginning of the pandemic, my forties have been so
fucking incredible. I'm so glad to get out of my
authorities where you care so much more about everything than
you do in your forties. Yeah. Like, it's just the
best decade.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Get ready for your fifties where truly you cannot find
a fuck to.

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Give dgaf Okay. This one's from Instagram from the real
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YouTube being open and honest about therapy, I began going
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has helped me cope with the loss of a friend
who was more like a brother and opened my eyes
to things about me I didn't even realize. Thank you
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Love from Korea, the real Maddy b seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Wow, Maddie, that's a horrible loss and so difficult. And
the idea that you're like, I'm going to do something
instructive for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
In the midst of this is really brave. I'm going
to do this the right way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
This just says so glad you're bringing back the fucking
horay I have won from this past week. My sixteen
year old niece and her high school girls ice hockey
team won the Division one Massachusetts state championship on the
haralded ice of Boston Garden. So they got to go
to the state championships to Boston Garden and they won.

(01:16:38):
Her high school, Hangham High School is also my alma
mater from forty years ago. Love you all, kimque so
Anti Kim is shouting out and celebrating. That's a huge accomplishment.
And then they got to do it at Boston Garden.
That's the coolest.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
That's so cool. Congratulations everybody. Okay. My last one's from Instagram.
Also hashtag fucking her. Last May, I underwent weeks of
needles and an outpatient procedure, plus a month of no
roller Derby boo so that I could donate my eggs
for free since paying donors is illegal in Canada. Oh interesting.
Last month I got a meat and hold the gorgeous

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newborn baby that I was able to give this couple
who had thought they might never get to have. I've
been walking on air ever since. Jen They them at
Bee Tronic on Instagram. Wow. Yeah, what a beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
That's like it's some roller derby superstar taking some time
out just to help out a fellow man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
For free women. Yeah, amazing, amazing, some of you're fucking
to raise.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Yeah, and look for what is something too fucking hoorray
about in your life, especially in these times?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Right If you think you don't have one, you just
need to look a little harder because you'll have one
this week, we promise. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Treat it as an assignment, make a little list, try
to find three, find your best, Send it to my
favorite Murder at gmail dot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Com and Anti Georgia and Anti Kieron say to look
for three and we love you. Yeah, stay sexy and
don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?
This has been an exactly right production. Our senior producers
are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith. Our editor is Aristotle Oscevedo.

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This episode was mixed by Leona Scuolacci.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
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