May 8, 2025 • 37 mins
On today’s episode, Georgia and Karen cover the Apollo 13 mission.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That right there
is Georgia Hertstar, and that folks is Karen Kilgarriff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And we, together, ladies and gentlemen, are here to podcast.
Have you heard of podcast?
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It's all the rage these days.
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People love it.
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Everyone's doing it. Everyone has multiples, you know.
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And why not do it? Why not get on a
mic and just talk it through.
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Yeah, it's the podcast singularity, guys, and guys part of it.
You're part of it by just listening.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Wait a second, I just had one of those galaxy
brain moments. What if podcasts are the singularity, which then
birth humanity and that's why we are who we are.
We're just the results of other people's podcasts. I'm like
either a different planet.
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It was just one big podcast loop.
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It's loop.
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You've gotten to this, We've gotten to the oversaturation of podcasts,
and now just start fucking the cycle all over again.
Don't get reborn, that's right, go through the industrial revolution,
figure out a way to like rate the radio, all
the shit, the terrestrial.
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I'm super broke. I don't know how to get a
job that pays.
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Now, right, and then we go to podcasting, and then
podcasting all over again, and then careers. I've sold it.
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It feels great to live in this solution now. That's
what I like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
About it, the solutionarity.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Now, can I tell you the ultimate compliment that my
little cousin Anna gave me this morning? Yes, she called
me because last night she watched the movie The Shining.
She needed to talk through the trauma that she experienced
by watching. Time's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
She's funny, Okay, cute.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
She used to be the little baby of the family
until Noura was born, and then she basically spent all
her time kind of actively hating Nora until they were like,
you know, a little bit older, and then now they're
all best friends.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Very cute. That's what sisters are exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And Nora never felt it or cared or she was
always like I love them and it didn't matter at her.
But anyway, she's the best. And she gave me the
best compliment. She said, I watched this movie and it
reminded me of you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh, come play with us, Danny. There's Auntie Karen, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
She goes, You're a real burnt orange in my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The color palette.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, I was like, love, Yeah, Anna, thank you this
means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Huge compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was with my mom last night and she starts
talking about I said something and she goes, well, I
heard from a true crime podcast that you have to
not be put and I got really mad and I
was like, what true crime podcast are you listening to?
She goes, yours, she meant mine, But I was so like.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Jealous, you were ready.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was like, who, You're not even she's not even
in a true crime Like what that's so fun?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So basically Janet's getting on the train.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, she's misinterpreting our like she meant fuck politeness, Like
she meant that we talk about that. But she got
it wrong because she doesn't listen, which is for the best.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What did she think it meant?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
She said like be mean or something like misinterpretation That
works too, That works too. She goes not like I
might not always been mean.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But it's kind of like, oh, jan I was like, oh,
if she started listening, now she's got some real surprises in.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We all do I mean? Once she starts listening, that's
when time implodes. Black hole. Yeah, fucking cut to the beginning,
big bang.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's the kind of the final Easter island head that falls?
Is Janet pressing play on this podcast? Incredible? Can't wait?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, should I do a story in Janet's honor?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Let's and Janet will finally understand what we're doing over here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
She won't because this is not a true crime story.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So she'll get it interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But she'll remember it and she'll Yeah, it's from her time,
you know, of life, which is you know, the late
nineteen hundreds, jet it mid to late nineteen hundreds. Okay,
so I'm just I'm gonna just tell you. I'm fucking
telling you the story.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just kick it off. We never do this, Just kick
it off.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, this is a fucking Apolla thirteen mission story. Don't
need no fucking preamble.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Wow. Yeah, okay, great?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Right did you watch the movie?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's the nineteen ninety five blockbuster starring Bill Paxston, Kevin Bacon,
and Tom Hanks, who famously was the one who said, Houston,
we have a problem. That's like the iconic line, right.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Space makes me very anxious. This should be great.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh okay. It was like, you're not yes, you're not
a fan of like being in a space ship or
being in like both of those things.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's just vast. I remember having very long, deep thoughts
about it as a child of Like, so you're telling
me it just goes on and on in black Nose
forever and there's no ending, and no one knows what's
out there, like it was that kind of shit, And
I'm like, I don't like that at all.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I don't like not knowing any out there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So tell me about it, Like, tell me about a
bad thing that happened out there.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I feel like this, let me tell you about the
one of the worst. It's not one of the worst,
but this is like an episode about black holes and
space and stuff cool and space time continuing. Okay. The
main sources I use in today's story include articles from
NASA's website, including Apollo thirteen Mission Details with no author
listed and Apollo thirteen This Successful Failure by le mahone,
(05:48):
and then another article from the Smithsonian Air and Space
Museum's website titled Conserving the Creativity that Saved the Apollo
thirteen Astronauts by Lauren Gottschlik, and other sources can be
in our show notes. So Here we Are nineteen sixty one,
and in response to the ongoing space race, between Russia
and the US that you're like such a big fan
(06:10):
of huge fan. President John F. Kennedy makes the US
moonlanding a priority goal, and the attempts begin with Project Mercury,
which succeeds in placing several astronaut crews into Earth's orbit
between sixty two and sixty three. Then there's Project Gemini
fucking Go Geminis, and that successfully sends a total of
sixteen astronauts US astronauts into low Earth orbit between sixty
(06:33):
five and sixty six. So we're like getting going, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
But then in nineteen sixty nine, Kennedy's goal is finally reached.
When you know the story, is it true? That's not
that's not what this is about. When Neil Armstrong and
Buzz Aldrin complete the first successful moonlanding of bord Apollo eleven,
blah blah blah, the moon, we made it, We made it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, the moon landing blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, was it a fucking sound stage? And Burbank we'll never.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
We'll never know, or they'll know forty years in the
future and it won't matter.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But then that's true. A second moonlaring happens and then
now that that journey to the Moon has been completed
twice with no really big issues, NASA is confident they
can focus the astronauts energies now on acquiring some new
scientific data with this third mood landing. So before they
were just like posing for pictures and shit. Now it's like,
let's get down to science.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Let's really dig some of that moon dirt up and
figure out what's.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
On there, snort of bay old rail of Moondust and
see what happens. So the three astronauts training for the
Apollo thirteen mission, James A. Lovell Junior, John Jack L.
Swiggert Junior and Fred W. Hayes Jor, and they are
armed with some geological training so that they can collect
those rock samples bring them home to Earth for their study.
(07:56):
The missions Insignia highlight this goal with the Latin phrase
ex Luna scientia or from the Moon knowledge, So like,
let's study that shit. So on this ten day mission, Lowell, Swiggert,
and Hayes will journey to the Fra Morro region of
the Moon and there they'll retrieve rock samples. So there
(08:16):
are two major components of the spacecraft built for the
Apollo thirteen mission, there's the command service module which is
called the Odyssey, and the lunar module, which is called Aquarius.
Odyssey is where the astronauts are housed and control the
entire spacecraft, and then the service module is where the
fuel and power sources are stored. And then the lunar
module is the parts that's going to detach and land
(08:39):
on the Moon while the other person stays back and
controls it. So a graduate of the US Naval Academy,
forty two year old James Lovell has logged five hundred
and seventy two hours of spaceflight prior to the Apollo
thirteen mission, making him the most traveled astronaut at this time,
while thirty eight year old Jack Swigger hasn't yet flown
to space before, so he's got deep knowledge of how
(09:00):
the spacecrafts are built. He earned a degree in mechanical
engineering and aerospace science. So fucking super smart.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But a baby into a baby experience, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Thirty five year old Fred Hayes also has a military background,
having served in the Marines as a fighter pilot. He
studied aeronautical engineering and was working as a civilian research
pilot for NASA when he joined the astronaut rank in
the same group as Sweigert did in nineteen sixty six.
So they're all buds. So let's get to the launch.
So it's two thirteen pm Eastern Standard Time on April eleventh,
(09:34):
nineteen seventy, and the Apollo thirteen spacecraft lives off from
Kennedy Space Station in Florida. The team of flight directors,
who are like the flight controllers who communicate with the crew,
oversee operations from their station at Mission Control in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, okay, are you having a hot flash?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think of having a fucking hot flash. Oh my god,
I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh no, it sucks so bad.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh my god, I'm totally wow. That was like the
first time I realized I'm having a hot flash that
when I.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Wasn't to go, you might have to go change into
a tank top.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh my god. Okay, So the first five and a
half minutes or so go smoothly, which is not enough
time for a fucking space flight to go smoothly. Like
that's nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, you need I don't know, a solid hour if
you're going into space.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
A couple of days. Maybe let's go for Yeah, everyone
on board feels a minor vibration from deep within the vessel,
and they discover that one of the engines meant to
get them up towards the atmosphere has shut off two
minutes early. This forces a remaining engine to burn thirty
four seconds longer than planned, but all goes well and
the Apollo thirteen aircraft enters orbit safely despite this little hiccup,
(10:45):
but foreshadowing baby bad omen. Yeah, so the journey to
the Moon is expected to be about three days. At
forty six hours and forty three minutes. In Capsule Communicator
or cap con, Joe Kerwin down in Houston report that
the spacecraft is in real good shape as far as
we're concerned, and it actually says that they're bored to
(11:05):
tears down there, like that's how well it's going.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's just fine that they're not worried in any way.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah. So, now let's fast forward to the third day.
We're fifty five hours into the journey. The crew conductive
routine inspection of the lunar module and they take the
lone TV camera crew through a lighthearted tour of space.
The other moon landings that have happened before have been
like big freakin' deals. This one is less so, and
the general public at this point is like yawn. Basically,
(11:32):
you've seen it, which is great, but also the Vietnam
War is going on, so people are a little more
concerned with other stuff, and because of the limit broadcast,
Level's wife, Marilyn, watches her husband from a VIP room
at mission control. What kind of snacks were there? Is
all I want to know?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, can I just say tiny pieces of celery?
What do you say?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Tiny sandwiches?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Tiny sandwiches, the celery with like cream cheese and some
sprinkled stuff on the top. Yeah, sixties appetite, martini's so
many martinis, so many martinis, and cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh my god, everyone's smoking chain smoking.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And that just increases as the stress begins.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, okay. So the broadcast ends at the fifty five hour,
forty six minute mark of the journey. All systems operational,
and the crews on both the ground and aboard the
spacecraft are in good spirits. But then just ninety five
seconds later, at nine oh eight pm, allowed bang rattles
(12:31):
the ship. Maybe allowed me out would be the only
acceptable loud noise?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Maybe allowed?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yawn?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Allowed Yon please, no bangs on, no bang on the ship. No.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
For once in my life, I say no bangs about
my hair. Not Swiggert sees a warning light in the
vessel's control center that worries him. He radios to ground
control and delivers the line that would define the rest
of the journey. Houston, we have a problem. Problem. The
movie is pretty good, though, if you guys feel like
(13:03):
watching a vintage movie, follow thirteen, and then a flurry
of warning lights flash on the ship's controls. Two of
the three fuel cells used to power the ship are
fucking dead, two out of three. Oh not good.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Two days into the trip, yeah, three days. Three days
into their trip, you run out of gas in space.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Your engines fucking die and it cuts off most of
their electricity. And then another set of warning lights indicate
that one of their two oxygen tanks has emptied completely
and the second one is draining fast. So as the
astronauts scrambled to troubleshoot the problems, Commander Level glances out
the window on his left to see if they are
venting something out into space, basically just like the gas
(13:46):
is leaving the fucking ship. Unfortunately, that gas is the
command module's oxygen supply, so the ship they're in, it's
the oxygen supply for that ship that they're in, and
so it gets dangerously low. And about an hour and
a half after the bank, Ground Control and Commander Level
reached the same conclusion. If they're going to survive, they
(14:06):
all have to transfer over to the lunar module, which
was just supposed to go down to the moon. Right, So,
with just fifteen minutes of power lapt board the command module,
Level and Haze make their way to the lunar module.
Swiggert races against the clock to finish up last minute
duties and shut down the command module. He manages to
do so just in the nick of time, slipping into
(14:27):
the lunar module as the last wisps of oxygen leave
the second bank. So they just have to completely abandon ship.
It's in space, in space, in the middle of space.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Also, you know, like you're on like a Southwest flight
and the captain comes on and he's so drab, and
he's so like, look here we're going up to Oakland
and a sign and so like these people are professionally calm, yeah,
but then in this situation, it's like, is this what
rattles a pilot. Is this what gets you know? Yeah,
it's a guy like that kind of worked up because to.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Say, Houston, we have a problem. I mean it's almost
like this is what they're trained for is to stay
calm in a situation like this. But like they hopefully
and usually don't ever have a reason to test that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, right, and yeah exactly they would assume they would be,
but now they know whether or not they are here.
It is I think my thing. I would just go
blank and kind of lock up, and I wouldn't help anything.
I would just be like sitting there and they'd be like,
come on, pick up those things.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do? Over and over again? I mean, yeah, terrif, Yeah,
but guess what, it only gets worse. So now, obviously
the moon landing is fucking eighty six.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
We're gonna flake on that, right, We're gonna flake on that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Their mission now is to get home safely, and their
only chance at doing so is by all of them
cramming into this lunar module. There are some positives in
this situation. First is that the lunar module does not
appear to have been damaged and whatever explosion it was
that took place. Second is that the lunar module has
plenty of oxygen to sustain everyone on their journey back home,
So yay for that very important yeah oxygen. So, however,
(16:05):
there are some pretty severe drawbacks because one of the
astronauts was always meant to stay back in the command
module while the other two went down to you know,
it's called the moon. The Moon. Yeah, it's only built
for two people, so it's tight. And while there's plenty
of oxygen for all three men, the food and water
supply and the Luno module is only meant to last
(16:25):
forty five hours for the two people, and a trip
home will take them about ninety hours, so trip home
is going to be three fucking days.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Just like back to back spooning with your workmates, gasping
for air, right, thirsty.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Thirsty exactly, So they have to do strict rationing. Same
with the power supply. There's only enough battery to last
forty five hours, so they have to shut down any
non essential operations so they have enough power to get
back to Earth. But it is doable. So basically they
had brought extra canisters of oxygen over from the command module,
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but they don't fit into the filters on the lunar module.
They're like not made to be switched back and forth.
So the abundance of oxygen itself creates another issue because
that means, as we learn in science glass.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Too many plants, right, moss growing everyone exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, too much carbon dioxide, which is dangerous. The spacecraft
has special lithium hydroxide canisters that remove the carbon dioxide
from the air and keep it safe to breathe on board,
but again, the canister supply they have is only meant
to last for about two days for two people. So
back at square one, they have brought extra canisters over
from the command module, but they were not made for
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the lunar module, so they don't fit. It's like putting
a square peg in a round hole. So a day
and a half into their escape to the lunar module,
on April fifteenth, nineteen seventy, a warning light signals a
dangerous level of CO two. They're running out of time.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Outside inside constant, everything's against them.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, because everything has to be tested at mission control
before it can be put to use in the spacecraft.
Because you can't test shit on this space graft. It'll
blow up engineers down and Houston quickly worked to devise
a solution. They communicate with the astronauts on board, they
kind of figure out what they have to use, and
then on the ground the engineers, these smart people put
(18:20):
together a device using whatever items they said. They had
a plastic bag, card stock, a spacesuit hose, and duct tape.
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Mcgiver, but they were mcgivering from Houston to tell them
you can do this to.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Fight it, like based on what you have. And it's
like when someone's like, what do you have in your fridge?
And I'll tell you what to cook for dinner, but
your life depends on it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I am no joke super stressed out right now?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You are?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
This is stressing me out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, that's why I had a hot flash.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think it's because you knew what was coming.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I knew it. Then I had to tell it without
sounding stupid because I know there's people who are very
smart listening right now, who are fucking laughing.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Look, this is exactly what happened to me with Jack
Or in London. But it was like, why did I
pick this? Everyone here knows how this actually goes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Right, Like, there has to be a list. What are
you even doing right now? Are you in space listening
like that would be?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Do you work at JPL? And are you judging us?
Because we hope you understand that we are not cosmologists
right doing this in any way.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We're not even cosmetologists, Like, we're not even I would
love to be God, I went to three months of
beauty school, so I basically.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Am your banks look great, by the way, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So they figure out what it's going to be based
on all these mismatched parts. They name it the mailbox
because it's like a boxy thing they put together. Okay,
they didn't have a lot of time to workshop names.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So don't waste time on that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You're gonna want to distract yourself by doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, hold for name is not something you can tell
people in an emergency situation. So they build it on
the ground and the engineers at mission control walk the
astronauts through how to put it together. They demonstrate how
to use it once it's put together. And this is
all while warning lights are flashing indicating the increasingly dangerous
levels of CO two on board. So like you know
(20:11):
when your phone's running out of batteries and it turns
red and you get stressed out. It's like that times
a thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That in space, and you might die in space.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The air becomes harder to breathe as the astronauts work
diligently to connect the makeshift device, and luckily it works,
the co two levels start to drop and the lunar
module becomes livable again.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Thank you mailbox.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, was it funny that Tom Hanks would later be
in a movie called You've Got Mail? And is there
any connection there?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is it before or after this? I think it's before
or in a movie about living at the airport? Right,
that's not related other airport. It's closely not after book
going in the same fucking direction is Tom Hanks lately?
It just changes us into talking about Tom Hanks, so
I don't have to listen to how stressful this is.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Love him. And this is even more impressive because not
only is this like fucking dead battery light flashing, which
is not dead battery. They're subsisting on next to nothing
while they work. Their water ration is only six ounces
of water a day. So if you think of like
a shot of vodka, which it's like an ounce, you know,
so six ounces six shots of water.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I need more. I need like the tallest weird plastic
cup with a straw.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. There's a little fruit juice as well.
But the lack of proper hydration even gives Hayes a UTI,
which just to be like a team player, I have
one too right now. Just I was doing the store
and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go
ahead and wake up Saturday morning with a fucking UTI,
just to be supportive.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That is.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
First of all, I didn't know boys could get UTIs
that really sucks? They are the worst, the worst, They're
the worst.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
How fucking horrible is that? So I add a UTI
to this nightmare?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, like come on, and then someone gets pink eye.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The lack of food isn't great either. They avoid eating
as much as possible so they don't burn through their supply.
But when they do eat, it's things like hot dogs,
which isn't very nourishing even though we love them. It's
a snack, not a meal. Lot of nitrates right right,
and various unappetizing wet pack foods, the kind that like
won't spoil in space. So nothing fucking great.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No one's having no one's life, No one's looking forward
to their meal time.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Right, It's sustenance, It's all it is. And they actually
can't avoid rapid weight loss for the next couple days,
so they lose a fucking ton of weight that quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So even worse than the dehydration and starvation is the
intense cold because they have to keep non essential systems
powered off, so there's nothing heating the interior of the
lunar module, and temperatures drop as low as thirty eight degrees.
So you weren't fucking joking about the spooning, like that's
gotta happen. Probably Jesus Christ, I know, like miserable, like
think it the worst light you've ever been on. This
(23:02):
is the worse.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Obviously, this is some tower air shit right here.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, this being good. And because the temperatures are so
low and it's so cramped, it's almost impossible to sleep,
so they're exhausted, they're delirious. There's just so much shit
going on.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I fucking relate entirely.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just don't know why I thought of this, but
they're probably all also chain smokers. So they're not having cigarettes.
I don't know why I thought of that, but our
astronauts allowed to smoke. I doubt it. I never' not
no lung capacity.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What if that was actually the reason that this all happened,
Someone like flicked their sig and then oh kaboom. Also,
but there was people too, like those guys are so
smart and they you know, those are big brain people.
They didn't back then. They might have been like, yeah,
I don't smoke. Yes, they have been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, that would make sense. They have to be at
the top of their game and breathe in space. You're
not gonna like yeah, okay, So level Haze and Swiggert
have just one more obstacle standing between them and they're safe. Return.
It's a big one. It's just navigating home to Earth
because remember that Moon module just supposed to go to
the Moon and then back.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It doesn't how to get home.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's not supposed to fucking go home on its own.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh oh at all?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh on its own, because it's supposed to be attached
to the bigger guy. Yeah you know right, so yes,
So it's navigation system isn't equipped to handle finding its
way back to Earth like they're fucked in a lot
of ways and they fucking know it. Probably, Yeah, their
best shot at getting back to Earth is to enter
what's called a free return trajectory. Here's your fucking worst nightmare. Basically,
(24:39):
they have to go around the Moon and get into
a path where gravity can guide them back to Earth
without them needing to control the flight. So they're fucking
relying on gravity. But because they were on a moon
landing mission, they had positioned themselves in a hybrid trajectory,
which basically means they left the free return course so
that they could land in a specific spot on the Moon. Now,
(25:02):
without the proper navigational system to maneuver back into a
free return trajectory, the astronauts are forced to rely on
mission control to map out their course. So they're all
working together, and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
If they do, if they accidentally land on the Moon,
that's that right, Like, yeah, I would have had.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, But if they burn the lunar module engines at
the right times and the right direction, they can kind
of just basically push themselves on the right course, but
also without burning through their fuel supply. Jesus, Like, this
isn't pot Like, the more you hear about.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So basically they're forced to use the sun's position to
help achieve a proper alignment of the spacecraft. It's risky
because a blast in the wrong direction would send them
fucking hurling past Earth into the great unknown Karen's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yes, forever, going forever with chapped lips all dam its,
God damn.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But mission control guides their calculations and fortunately puts them
on the right track. Like geniuses. If we had like
one or two IQ points lower this not like, none
of this would have worked out.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Thank you, smart people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Appreciate you. Using only the sun puts them off by
half a degree, which is still within the margin of
error to get them home. As they approach Earth, the
astronauts get word from mission control that the only way
to successfully break through the atmosphere is by once again
powering up the command module so that they can detach
the lunar module from it. So this whole time they've
(26:37):
been attached to the broken command module. Yeah, so basically
there's all these issues with that. So the damage and
the cold to the command module led to condensation build
up on the interior walls of the command module and
behind the control panels, and so the condensation from that
is so thick that as the ship descends to Earth,
(26:58):
it appears like it's raining inside the module.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh fun, What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All of that moisture threatens to short circuit the command
module's electrical board, which would be catastrophic at this phase,
but because of years of development from the earliest Apollo
aircraft models, there are safeguards in place that prevent any
short circuiting. But even still, writing up the procedures necessary
to start up that dead command module mid flight so
(27:25):
that they can detach it could take as long as
three months, Like, that's how long they need to figure
out a way to do it, even with their big brains.
But the engineers at Mission Control managed to do it
in just three days. So they're just like, let's figure
this out. Let's get a lot of uppers and fucking
do this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Get one of those really big chalkboards that almost nobody
uses but us.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Right, get it going. The astronauts follow the procedures as instructed,
and they successfully get the command module on and working again,
and this allows them to detach the lunar module from
it so that they can land in the Pacific Ocean,
which is a splash down landing a safe distance from
the damaged command module because they can't land near it,
it'll fucking crash into it. So even though they managed
(28:10):
to get on the right trajectory back to Earth level,
Swiggert and Hayes soon realized that their spacecraft is drifting
slightly off course. Mission control directs them to follow the
day nightline, basically basically following like the Sun's light on
the Earth's surface to stay on course. I'd be dead.
I'd be like, no, can't.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I can't do that basic boy scout stuff that I
could not do.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They use what fuel they have left to initiate the
burns necessary to follow the line, like the little cranking
out of the burns, and on April seventeenth, nineteen seventy,
the Apollo thirteen spacecraft splashes down into the Pacific Ocean
near Samoa, and they're recovered by the naval ship USS Euajima,
weary but all still alive.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh God, you know, I mean, we're not even talking
about all the things that could have happened. Splashing down
totally just the great wide open ocean.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Jesus. Yeah. Due to lack of food. The three guys
lost a total of thirty one and a half pounds
combined home in a couple days. Like that is better.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And also it's like food plus stress, like your hearts.
Their hearts were probably raising like they were jogging the
whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Right, and dehydration and lack of sleep. Level lost the
most at a whopping fourteen pounds. And then two days later,
on April nineteenth, nineteen seventy, the guys are flown to Hawaii.
I mean, give them a fucking bak, right, oh Jesus,
and President Richard Nixon awards them the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
This is the highest civilian honor, equal to the Congressional
(29:44):
Gold Medal. So they're like, good.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Job, peeps, you did it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You did it. An investigative review board immediately looks into
the situation after the splash down, trying to figure out
what went wrong. They report their findings on June fifteenth,
nineteen seventy, concluding that a shore circuit error in one
of the oxygen tanks led to the explosion. There was
a recent modification to the tank that allowed it to
handle a higher electrical voltage, but the engineers failed to
(30:11):
update another part within the tank so that it could
handle the increased electrical flow as well. This led to
an explosion in one oxygen tank that damaged the fuel
cells and compromised the other oxygen tank. How many people
got fired? None or a lot?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, here's the thing, as like, Mishuman beings make mistakes.
Whether you're the smartest fucking person on the planet and
you work for NASA or you're down at Burger King
Flip and Burger's mistakes are a part of life totally.
And I hope it wasn't like because I bet you
they felt fucking terrib Sure nobody wants to be that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean, no one died, thank fucking God.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But thank God. But yeah, nobody wants to be the
guy that's like, oh, that's right, we should have done
abcd fgn H. And I I mean like it's.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yea, God not good that. I mean, neither level Hayes
or swigger It ever fly in space again. Can you?
Oh can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's crazy? What's their problem?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
But it's actually not necessarily because directly because of the
mishap aboard the Apollo thirteen. Although you think it's got
a factor in pretty fucking hardcore. Yeah, you know, level
reaches the point in his career when he's ready to retire,
and he does so just a couple of years later,
in nineteen seventy three. Swiggert is slated to fly aboard
the joint Soviet American spaceflight, the Apollo Soya's test project
(31:33):
in nineteen seventy five, but he's removed from the crew
after being implicated in the Apollo fifteen postal cover scandal
of nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What which is probably saying we're going to cover on
this shot.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's exactly right, because I don't totally get it. It's
a scheme involving taking unauthorized postal covers into space so
that they could be sold at premium back on Earth afterward.
Oh oh, I get it. Okay, they're like, this has
been to space totally. It's totally murged. Oh my god.
(32:06):
He leaves the space program in nineteen seventy three, gets
elected to the House of Representatives in nineteen eighty two. Unfortunately, yeah,
he dies from cancer before he gets a chance to
even serve his seat. And then Hayes would have gone
on to command the Apollo nineteen mission, but he decided
to retire before then in nineteen seventy nine, So none
of them go back to I.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mean, just think about it. You get into that situation, you,
by the skin of your teeth get back out of
that situation. Yeah, and then you're like, sure, I'll do
another one. And all you would do is think about
all the ways things could go wrong. That's what happens
after things go wrong, is they we're like, well, that
can happen. So what's going to happen this time?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah? Did one guy not check the one other thing
that there was the other thing that controls the other thing.
You'll never fucking know until it's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that is the miracle of spaceflight, is the fact
that the other times we did it, none of those
things happened.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Totally amazing. In nineteen ninety four, Lovel co authors his
first hand account of the Apollo thirteen mission with journalist
Jeffrey Klueger in their book Lost Moon The Perilous Voyage
of Apollo thirteen. And that is the book that is
adapted into the beloved Ron Howard directed movie Apollo Thirteen,
(33:21):
which solidified the line Houston, we have a problem in
our memories Forever, and also the movie from twenty sixteen,
Hidden Figures, starring Taraji p Henson as Catherine Johnson. So
she was a black woman and mathematician who worked at
NASA and her work helped get Apollo thirteen back home
(33:42):
safe yeap her badassory and the movie is based on
the book Hidden Figures by Margo Lee Shutterley, so check
that out as well for more of this story.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That movie is really really good because it's like you
just keep watching it going this really happened, like this
really happened, and that idea that she was the most
brilliant person, separate from her gender, separate from you know,
her skin color or whatever. And then she's kind of
sad in this room where a bunch of dudes are
like you shouldn't be here, and then she's like, watch
(34:13):
how much I should be here. I'm gonna fucking help
save everybody. It's such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's fucking incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, I loved it just real quick. Do you remember
when we did CBS show in New York and Ron
Howard was the guest before us, and he walked through
and said and looked at us, and I was like, oh,
my god, it's Ron Howard and he walked through and
we were the next guest yes, and looked at us
and goes, hey, good luck or you have fun and
like took a moment to like hype us, give us
(34:43):
a little thumbs up, where I was like you classy bastards.
So that rushed right out of here, like you are
so busy, and instead it was like full eye contact
and like with this smile, like hey, isn't it fun
we all get to be on this show.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Just these two girls sitting in the green room going
like fuck fuck fuck fuck, and here's just going out.
Good luck, guys, have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh my god, Ron, I love that man. I have
always loved that man since my happy days days in
my childhood. But that was, like god, that was meaningful.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, so classy. But guess what what And that
is the story of the Apollo thirteen mission.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean we really went through it on that way.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I think I've lost thirteen pounds by just sitting here
and listening to this fucking shit.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I had my first known hot flash.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Man on records on record where it wasn't asleep for it,
So it's pretty I think we need to actively start
talking about menopause on our show, because A people don't
talk about it enough and B it is happening. It
is happening.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Are we gonna alienate the little gals who were like,
what are you talking about? My tits are perky, and
I don't know what else is there and I don't
sweat randomly for no fucking reason.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But here's the thing. They will eventually well, and that's
that's like, no one talks about this shit, and so
when you come to it, you're like, I think I'm
in a bad mood. I think I'm I think the
heaters on, I think this, and I think that because
there is no hygiene class in high school that talks
about it. There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Let's talk about hormones. And just to like calm everyone down,
my tits are still very perky.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh my god, you should see they're almost above her eyes.
It's crazy, very.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Distract hitting myself in the faith.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That was great. Good job, Thanks Willio.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Thank you well. Thanks for listening to our little quickie episode.
We appreciate you guys being here, going to space and
back and menopause and all over with.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Us and all of the places. Thanks for joining us
once again on the journey of life, Stay sexy and
don't get murdered. Give me.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
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Good byebye,
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That right there
is Georgia Hertstar, and that folks is Karen Kilgarriff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And we, together, ladies and gentlemen, are here to podcast.
Have you heard of podcast?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's all the rage these days.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
People love it.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Everyone's doing it. Everyone has multiples, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And why not do it? Why not get on a
mic and just talk it through.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it's the podcast singularity, guys, and guys part of it.
You're part of it by just listening.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Wait a second, I just had one of those galaxy
brain moments. What if podcasts are the singularity, which then
birth humanity and that's why we are who we are.
We're just the results of other people's podcasts. I'm like
either a different planet.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It was just one big podcast loop.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's loop.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You've gotten to this, We've gotten to the oversaturation of podcasts,
and now just start fucking the cycle all over again.
Don't get reborn, that's right, go through the industrial revolution,
figure out a way to like rate the radio, all
the shit, the terrestrial.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm super broke. I don't know how to get a
job that pays.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Now, right, and then we go to podcasting, and then
podcasting all over again, and then careers. I've sold it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It feels great to live in this solution now. That's
what I like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
About it, the solutionarity.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Now, can I tell you the ultimate compliment that my
little cousin Anna gave me this morning? Yes, she called
me because last night she watched the movie The Shining.
She needed to talk through the trauma that she experienced
by watching. Time's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
She's funny, Okay, cute.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
She used to be the little baby of the family
until Noura was born, and then she basically spent all
her time kind of actively hating Nora until they were like,
you know, a little bit older, and then now they're
all best friends.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Very cute. That's what sisters are exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And Nora never felt it or cared or she was
always like I love them and it didn't matter at her.
But anyway, she's the best. And she gave me the
best compliment. She said, I watched this movie and it
reminded me of you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh, come play with us, Danny. There's Auntie Karen, right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
She goes, You're a real burnt orange in my mind.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The color palette.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, I was like, love, Yeah, Anna, thank you this
means the world to me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Huge compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was with my mom last night and she starts
talking about I said something and she goes, well, I
heard from a true crime podcast that you have to
not be put and I got really mad and I
was like, what true crime podcast are you listening to?
She goes, yours, she meant mine, But I was so like.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Jealous, you were ready.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I was like, who, You're not even she's not even
in a true crime Like what that's so fun?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So basically Janet's getting on the train.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, she's misinterpreting our like she meant fuck politeness, Like
she meant that we talk about that. But she got
it wrong because she doesn't listen, which is for the best.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What did she think it meant?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
She said like be mean or something like misinterpretation That
works too, That works too. She goes not like I
might not always been mean.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But it's kind of like, oh, jan I was like, oh,
if she started listening, now she's got some real surprises in.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We all do I mean? Once she starts listening, that's
when time implodes. Black hole. Yeah, fucking cut to the beginning,
big bang.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's the kind of the final Easter island head that falls?
Is Janet pressing play on this podcast? Incredible? Can't wait?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Well, should I do a story in Janet's honor?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Let's and Janet will finally understand what we're doing over here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
She won't because this is not a true crime story.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So she'll get it interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But she'll remember it and she'll Yeah, it's from her time,
you know, of life, which is you know, the late
nineteen hundreds, jet it mid to late nineteen hundreds. Okay,
so I'm just I'm gonna just tell you. I'm fucking
telling you the story.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Just kick it off. We never do this, Just kick
it off.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, this is a fucking Apolla thirteen mission story. Don't
need no fucking preamble.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Wow. Yeah, okay, great?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Right did you watch the movie?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's the nineteen ninety five blockbuster starring Bill Paxston, Kevin Bacon,
and Tom Hanks, who famously was the one who said, Houston,
we have a problem. That's like the iconic line, right.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Space makes me very anxious. This should be great.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh okay. It was like, you're not yes, you're not
a fan of like being in a space ship or
being in like both of those things.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's just vast. I remember having very long, deep thoughts
about it as a child of Like, so you're telling
me it just goes on and on in black Nose
forever and there's no ending, and no one knows what's
out there, like it was that kind of shit, And
I'm like, I don't like that at all.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I don't like not knowing any out there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So tell me about it, Like, tell me about a
bad thing that happened out there.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I feel like this, let me tell you about the
one of the worst. It's not one of the worst,
but this is like an episode about black holes and
space and stuff cool and space time continuing. Okay. The
main sources I use in today's story include articles from
NASA's website, including Apollo thirteen Mission Details with no author
listed and Apollo thirteen This Successful Failure by le mahone,
(05:48):
and then another article from the Smithsonian Air and Space
Museum's website titled Conserving the Creativity that Saved the Apollo
thirteen Astronauts by Lauren Gottschlik, and other sources can be
in our show notes. So Here we Are nineteen sixty one,
and in response to the ongoing space race, between Russia
and the US that you're like such a big fan
(06:10):
of huge fan. President John F. Kennedy makes the US
moonlanding a priority goal, and the attempts begin with Project Mercury,
which succeeds in placing several astronaut crews into Earth's orbit
between sixty two and sixty three. Then there's Project Gemini
fucking Go Geminis, and that successfully sends a total of
sixteen astronauts US astronauts into low Earth orbit between sixty
(06:33):
five and sixty six. So we're like getting going, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
But then in nineteen sixty nine, Kennedy's goal is finally reached.
When you know the story, is it true? That's not
that's not what this is about. When Neil Armstrong and
Buzz Aldrin complete the first successful moonlanding of bord Apollo eleven,
blah blah blah, the moon, we made it, We made it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, the moon landing blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, was it a fucking sound stage? And Burbank we'll never.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
We'll never know, or they'll know forty years in the
future and it won't matter.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But then that's true. A second moonlaring happens and then
now that that journey to the Moon has been completed
twice with no really big issues, NASA is confident they
can focus the astronauts energies now on acquiring some new
scientific data with this third mood landing. So before they
were just like posing for pictures and shit. Now it's like,
let's get down to science.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Let's really dig some of that moon dirt up and
figure out what's.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
On there, snort of bay old rail of Moondust and
see what happens. So the three astronauts training for the
Apollo thirteen mission, James A. Lovell Junior, John Jack L.
Swiggert Junior and Fred W. Hayes Jor, and they are
armed with some geological training so that they can collect
those rock samples bring them home to Earth for their study.
(07:56):
The missions Insignia highlight this goal with the Latin phrase
ex Luna scientia or from the Moon knowledge, So like,
let's study that shit. So on this ten day mission, Lowell, Swiggert,
and Hayes will journey to the Fra Morro region of
the Moon and there they'll retrieve rock samples. So there
(08:16):
are two major components of the spacecraft built for the
Apollo thirteen mission, there's the command service module which is
called the Odyssey, and the lunar module, which is called Aquarius.
Odyssey is where the astronauts are housed and control the
entire spacecraft, and then the service module is where the
fuel and power sources are stored. And then the lunar
module is the parts that's going to detach and land
(08:39):
on the Moon while the other person stays back and
controls it. So a graduate of the US Naval Academy,
forty two year old James Lovell has logged five hundred
and seventy two hours of spaceflight prior to the Apollo
thirteen mission, making him the most traveled astronaut at this time,
while thirty eight year old Jack Swigger hasn't yet flown
to space before, so he's got deep knowledge of how
(09:00):
the spacecrafts are built. He earned a degree in mechanical
engineering and aerospace science. So fucking super smart.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But a baby into a baby experience, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Thirty five year old Fred Hayes also has a military background,
having served in the Marines as a fighter pilot. He
studied aeronautical engineering and was working as a civilian research
pilot for NASA when he joined the astronaut rank in
the same group as Sweigert did in nineteen sixty six.
So they're all buds. So let's get to the launch.
So it's two thirteen pm Eastern Standard Time on April eleventh,
(09:34):
nineteen seventy, and the Apollo thirteen spacecraft lives off from
Kennedy Space Station in Florida. The team of flight directors,
who are like the flight controllers who communicate with the crew,
oversee operations from their station at Mission Control in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, okay, are you having a hot flash?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think of having a fucking hot flash. Oh my god,
I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh no, it sucks so bad.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh my god, I'm totally wow. That was like the
first time I realized I'm having a hot flash that
when I.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Wasn't to go, you might have to go change into
a tank top.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh my god. Okay, So the first five and a
half minutes or so go smoothly, which is not enough
time for a fucking space flight to go smoothly. Like
that's nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, you need I don't know, a solid hour if
you're going into space.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
A couple of days. Maybe let's go for Yeah, everyone
on board feels a minor vibration from deep within the vessel,
and they discover that one of the engines meant to
get them up towards the atmosphere has shut off two
minutes early. This forces a remaining engine to burn thirty
four seconds longer than planned, but all goes well and
the Apollo thirteen aircraft enters orbit safely despite this little hiccup,
(10:45):
but foreshadowing baby bad omen. Yeah, so the journey to
the Moon is expected to be about three days. At
forty six hours and forty three minutes. In Capsule Communicator
or cap con, Joe Kerwin down in Houston report that
the spacecraft is in real good shape as far as
we're concerned, and it actually says that they're bored to
(11:05):
tears down there, like that's how well it's going.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's just fine that they're not worried in any way.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah. So, now let's fast forward to the third day.
We're fifty five hours into the journey. The crew conductive
routine inspection of the lunar module and they take the
lone TV camera crew through a lighthearted tour of space.
The other moon landings that have happened before have been
like big freakin' deals. This one is less so, and
the general public at this point is like yawn. Basically,
(11:32):
you've seen it, which is great, but also the Vietnam
War is going on, so people are a little more
concerned with other stuff, and because of the limit broadcast,
Level's wife, Marilyn, watches her husband from a VIP room
at mission control. What kind of snacks were there? Is
all I want to know?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, can I just say tiny pieces of celery?
What do you say?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Tiny sandwiches?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Tiny sandwiches, the celery with like cream cheese and some
sprinkled stuff on the top. Yeah, sixties appetite, martini's so
many martinis, so many martinis, and cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh my god, everyone's smoking chain smoking.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And that just increases as the stress begins.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, okay. So the broadcast ends at the fifty five hour,
forty six minute mark of the journey. All systems operational,
and the crews on both the ground and aboard the
spacecraft are in good spirits. But then just ninety five
seconds later, at nine oh eight pm, allowed bang rattles
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the ship. Maybe allowed me out would be the only
acceptable loud noise?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Maybe allowed?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yawn?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Allowed Yon please, no bangs on, no bang on the ship. No.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
For once in my life, I say no bangs about
my hair. Not Swiggert sees a warning light in the
vessel's control center that worries him. He radios to ground
control and delivers the line that would define the rest
of the journey. Houston, we have a problem. Problem. The
movie is pretty good, though, if you guys feel like
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watching a vintage movie, follow thirteen, and then a flurry
of warning lights flash on the ship's controls. Two of
the three fuel cells used to power the ship are
fucking dead, two out of three. Oh not good.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Two days into the trip, yeah, three days. Three days
into their trip, you run out of gas in space.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Your engines fucking die and it cuts off most of
their electricity. And then another set of warning lights indicate
that one of their two oxygen tanks has emptied completely
and the second one is draining fast. So as the
astronauts scrambled to troubleshoot the problems, Commander Level glances out
the window on his left to see if they are
venting something out into space, basically just like the gas
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is leaving the fucking ship. Unfortunately, that gas is the
command module's oxygen supply, so the ship they're in, it's
the oxygen supply for that ship that they're in, and
so it gets dangerously low. And about an hour and
a half after the bank, Ground Control and Commander Level
reached the same conclusion. If they're going to survive, they
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all have to transfer over to the lunar module, which
was just supposed to go down to the moon. Right, So,
with just fifteen minutes of power lapt board the command module,
Level and Haze make their way to the lunar module.
Swiggert races against the clock to finish up last minute
duties and shut down the command module. He manages to
do so just in the nick of time, slipping into
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the lunar module as the last wisps of oxygen leave
the second bank. So they just have to completely abandon ship.
It's in space, in space, in the middle of space.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Also, you know, like you're on like a Southwest flight
and the captain comes on and he's so drab, and
he's so like, look here we're going up to Oakland
and a sign and so like these people are professionally calm, yeah,
but then in this situation, it's like, is this what
rattles a pilot. Is this what gets you know? Yeah,
it's a guy like that kind of worked up because to.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Say, Houston, we have a problem. I mean it's almost
like this is what they're trained for is to stay
calm in a situation like this. But like they hopefully
and usually don't ever have a reason to test that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yes, right, and yeah exactly they would assume they would be,
but now they know whether or not they are here.
It is I think my thing. I would just go
blank and kind of lock up, and I wouldn't help anything.
I would just be like sitting there and they'd be like,
come on, pick up those things.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do? Over and over again? I mean, yeah, terrif, Yeah,
but guess what, it only gets worse. So now, obviously
the moon landing is fucking eighty six.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
We're gonna flake on that, right, We're gonna flake on that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Their mission now is to get home safely, and their
only chance at doing so is by all of them
cramming into this lunar module. There are some positives in
this situation. First is that the lunar module does not
appear to have been damaged and whatever explosion it was
that took place. Second is that the lunar module has
plenty of oxygen to sustain everyone on their journey back home,
So yay for that very important yeah oxygen. So, however,
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there are some pretty severe drawbacks because one of the
astronauts was always meant to stay back in the command
module while the other two went down to you know,
it's called the moon. The Moon. Yeah, it's only built
for two people, so it's tight. And while there's plenty
of oxygen for all three men, the food and water
supply and the Luno module is only meant to last
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forty five hours for the two people, and a trip
home will take them about ninety hours, so trip home
is going to be three fucking days.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Just like back to back spooning with your workmates, gasping
for air, right, thirsty.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Thirsty exactly, So they have to do strict rationing. Same
with the power supply. There's only enough battery to last
forty five hours, so they have to shut down any
non essential operations so they have enough power to get
back to Earth. But it is doable. So basically they
had brought extra canisters of oxygen over from the command module,
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but they don't fit into the filters on the lunar module.
They're like not made to be switched back and forth.
So the abundance of oxygen itself creates another issue because
that means, as we learn in science glass.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Too many plants, right, moss growing everyone exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, too much carbon dioxide, which is dangerous. The spacecraft
has special lithium hydroxide canisters that remove the carbon dioxide
from the air and keep it safe to breathe on board,
but again, the canister supply they have is only meant
to last for about two days for two people. So
back at square one, they have brought extra canisters over
from the command module, but they were not made for
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the lunar module, so they don't fit. It's like putting
a square peg in a round hole. So a day
and a half into their escape to the lunar module,
on April fifteenth, nineteen seventy, a warning light signals a
dangerous level of CO two. They're running out of time.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Outside inside constant, everything's against them.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, because everything has to be tested at mission control
before it can be put to use in the spacecraft.
Because you can't test shit on this space graft. It'll
blow up engineers down and Houston quickly worked to devise
a solution. They communicate with the astronauts on board, they
kind of figure out what they have to use, and
then on the ground the engineers, these smart people put
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together a device using whatever items they said. They had
a plastic bag, card stock, a spacesuit hose, and duct tape.
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Mcgiver, but they were mcgivering from Houston to tell them
you can do this to.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Fight it, like based on what you have. And it's
like when someone's like, what do you have in your fridge?
And I'll tell you what to cook for dinner, but
your life depends on it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I am no joke super stressed out right now?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You are?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
This is stressing me out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, that's why I had a hot flash.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think it's because you knew what was coming.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I knew it. Then I had to tell it without
sounding stupid because I know there's people who are very
smart listening right now, who are fucking laughing.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Look, this is exactly what happened to me with Jack
Or in London. But it was like, why did I
pick this? Everyone here knows how this actually goes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Right, Like, there has to be a list. What are
you even doing right now? Are you in space listening
like that would be?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Do you work at JPL? And are you judging us?
Because we hope you understand that we are not cosmologists
right doing this in any way.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We're not even cosmetologists, Like, we're not even I would
love to be God, I went to three months of
beauty school, so I basically.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Am your banks look great, by the way, thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So they figure out what it's going to be based
on all these mismatched parts. They name it the mailbox
because it's like a boxy thing they put together. Okay,
they didn't have a lot of time to workshop names.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So don't waste time on that.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You're gonna want to distract yourself by doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, hold for name is not something you can tell
people in an emergency situation. So they build it on
the ground and the engineers at mission control walk the
astronauts through how to put it together. They demonstrate how
to use it once it's put together. And this is
all while warning lights are flashing indicating the increasingly dangerous
levels of CO two on board. So like you know
(20:11):
when your phone's running out of batteries and it turns
red and you get stressed out. It's like that times
a thousand.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That in space, and you might die in space.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
The air becomes harder to breathe as the astronauts work
diligently to connect the makeshift device, and luckily it works,
the co two levels start to drop and the lunar
module becomes livable again.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Thank you mailbox.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, was it funny that Tom Hanks would later be
in a movie called You've Got Mail? And is there
any connection there?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is it before or after this? I think it's before
or in a movie about living at the airport? Right,
that's not related other airport. It's closely not after book
going in the same fucking direction is Tom Hanks lately?
It just changes us into talking about Tom Hanks, so
I don't have to listen to how stressful this is.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Love him. And this is even more impressive because not
only is this like fucking dead battery light flashing, which
is not dead battery. They're subsisting on next to nothing
while they work. Their water ration is only six ounces
of water a day. So if you think of like
a shot of vodka, which it's like an ounce, you know,
so six ounces six shots of water.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I need more. I need like the tallest weird plastic
cup with a straw.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. There's a little fruit juice as well.
But the lack of proper hydration even gives Hayes a UTI,
which just to be like a team player, I have
one too right now. Just I was doing the store
and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go
ahead and wake up Saturday morning with a fucking UTI,
just to be supportive.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That is.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
First of all, I didn't know boys could get UTIs
that really sucks? They are the worst, the worst, They're
the worst.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
How fucking horrible is that? So I add a UTI
to this nightmare?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, like come on, and then someone gets pink eye.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
The lack of food isn't great either. They avoid eating
as much as possible so they don't burn through their supply.
But when they do eat, it's things like hot dogs,
which isn't very nourishing even though we love them. It's
a snack, not a meal. Lot of nitrates right right,
and various unappetizing wet pack foods, the kind that like
won't spoil in space. So nothing fucking great.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No one's having no one's life, No one's looking forward
to their meal time.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Right, It's sustenance, It's all it is. And they actually
can't avoid rapid weight loss for the next couple days,
so they lose a fucking ton of weight that quickly.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So even worse than the dehydration and starvation is the
intense cold because they have to keep non essential systems
powered off, so there's nothing heating the interior of the
lunar module, and temperatures drop as low as thirty eight degrees.
So you weren't fucking joking about the spooning, like that's
gotta happen. Probably Jesus Christ, I know, like miserable, like
think it the worst light you've ever been on. This
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is the worse.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Obviously, this is some tower air shit right here.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, this being good. And because the temperatures are so
low and it's so cramped, it's almost impossible to sleep,
so they're exhausted, they're delirious. There's just so much shit
going on.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I fucking relate entirely.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just don't know why I thought of this, but
they're probably all also chain smokers. So they're not having cigarettes.
I don't know why I thought of that, but our
astronauts allowed to smoke. I doubt it. I never' not
no lung capacity.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What if that was actually the reason that this all happened,
Someone like flicked their sig and then oh kaboom. Also,
but there was people too, like those guys are so
smart and they you know, those are big brain people.
They didn't back then. They might have been like, yeah,
I don't smoke. Yes, they have been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, that would make sense. They have to be at
the top of their game and breathe in space. You're
not gonna like yeah, okay, So level Haze and Swiggert
have just one more obstacle standing between them and they're safe. Return.
It's a big one. It's just navigating home to Earth
because remember that Moon module just supposed to go to
the Moon and then back.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It doesn't how to get home.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
It's not supposed to fucking go home on its own.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Oh oh at all?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Oh on its own, because it's supposed to be attached
to the bigger guy. Yeah you know right, so yes,
So it's navigation system isn't equipped to handle finding its
way back to Earth like they're fucked in a lot
of ways and they fucking know it. Probably, Yeah, their
best shot at getting back to Earth is to enter
what's called a free return trajectory. Here's your fucking worst nightmare. Basically,
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they have to go around the Moon and get into
a path where gravity can guide them back to Earth
without them needing to control the flight. So they're fucking
relying on gravity. But because they were on a moon
landing mission, they had positioned themselves in a hybrid trajectory,
which basically means they left the free return course so
that they could land in a specific spot on the Moon. Now,
(25:02):
without the proper navigational system to maneuver back into a
free return trajectory, the astronauts are forced to rely on
mission control to map out their course. So they're all
working together, and.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
If they do, if they accidentally land on the Moon,
that's that right, Like, yeah, I would have had.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, But if they burn the lunar module engines at
the right times and the right direction, they can kind
of just basically push themselves on the right course, but
also without burning through their fuel supply. Jesus, Like, this
isn't pot Like, the more you hear about.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So basically they're forced to use the sun's position to
help achieve a proper alignment of the spacecraft. It's risky
because a blast in the wrong direction would send them
fucking hurling past Earth into the great unknown Karen's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yes, forever, going forever with chapped lips all dam its,
God damn.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But mission control guides their calculations and fortunately puts them
on the right track. Like geniuses. If we had like
one or two IQ points lower this not like, none
of this would have worked out.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Thank you, smart people.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Appreciate you. Using only the sun puts them off by
half a degree, which is still within the margin of
error to get them home. As they approach Earth, the
astronauts get word from mission control that the only way
to successfully break through the atmosphere is by once again
powering up the command module so that they can detach
the lunar module from it. So this whole time they've
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been attached to the broken command module. Yeah, so basically
there's all these issues with that. So the damage and
the cold to the command module led to condensation build
up on the interior walls of the command module and
behind the control panels, and so the condensation from that
is so thick that as the ship descends to Earth,
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it appears like it's raining inside the module.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh fun, What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All of that moisture threatens to short circuit the command
module's electrical board, which would be catastrophic at this phase,
but because of years of development from the earliest Apollo
aircraft models, there are safeguards in place that prevent any
short circuiting. But even still, writing up the procedures necessary
to start up that dead command module mid flight so
(27:25):
that they can detach it could take as long as
three months, Like, that's how long they need to figure
out a way to do it, even with their big brains.
But the engineers at Mission Control managed to do it
in just three days. So they're just like, let's figure
this out. Let's get a lot of uppers and fucking
do this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Get one of those really big chalkboards that almost nobody
uses but us.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Right, get it going. The astronauts follow the procedures as instructed,
and they successfully get the command module on and working again,
and this allows them to detach the lunar module from
it so that they can land in the Pacific Ocean,
which is a splash down landing a safe distance from
the damaged command module because they can't land near it,
it'll fucking crash into it. So even though they managed
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to get on the right trajectory back to Earth level,
Swiggert and Hayes soon realized that their spacecraft is drifting
slightly off course. Mission control directs them to follow the
day nightline, basically basically following like the Sun's light on
the Earth's surface to stay on course. I'd be dead.
I'd be like, no, can't.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I can't do that basic boy scout stuff that I
could not do.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
They use what fuel they have left to initiate the
burns necessary to follow the line, like the little cranking
out of the burns, and on April seventeenth, nineteen seventy,
the Apollo thirteen spacecraft splashes down into the Pacific Ocean
near Samoa, and they're recovered by the naval ship USS Euajima,
weary but all still alive.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh God, you know, I mean, we're not even talking
about all the things that could have happened. Splashing down
totally just the great wide open ocean.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Jesus. Yeah. Due to lack of food. The three guys
lost a total of thirty one and a half pounds
combined home in a couple days. Like that is better.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And also it's like food plus stress, like your hearts.
Their hearts were probably raising like they were jogging the
whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Right, and dehydration and lack of sleep. Level lost the
most at a whopping fourteen pounds. And then two days later,
on April nineteenth, nineteen seventy, the guys are flown to Hawaii.
I mean, give them a fucking bak, right, oh Jesus,
and President Richard Nixon awards them the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
This is the highest civilian honor, equal to the Congressional
(29:44):
Gold Medal. So they're like, good.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Job, peeps, you did it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You did it. An investigative review board immediately looks into
the situation after the splash down, trying to figure out
what went wrong. They report their findings on June fifteenth,
nineteen seventy, concluding that a shore circuit error in one
of the oxygen tanks led to the explosion. There was
a recent modification to the tank that allowed it to
handle a higher electrical voltage, but the engineers failed to
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update another part within the tank so that it could
handle the increased electrical flow as well. This led to
an explosion in one oxygen tank that damaged the fuel
cells and compromised the other oxygen tank. How many people
got fired? None or a lot?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, here's the thing, as like, Mishuman beings make mistakes.
Whether you're the smartest fucking person on the planet and
you work for NASA or you're down at Burger King
Flip and Burger's mistakes are a part of life totally.
And I hope it wasn't like because I bet you
they felt fucking terrib Sure nobody wants to be that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I mean, no one died, thank fucking God.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But thank God. But yeah, nobody wants to be the
guy that's like, oh, that's right, we should have done
abcd fgn H. And I I mean like it's.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yea, God not good that. I mean, neither level Hayes
or swigger It ever fly in space again. Can you?
Oh can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's crazy? What's their problem?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
But it's actually not necessarily because directly because of the
mishap aboard the Apollo thirteen. Although you think it's got
a factor in pretty fucking hardcore. Yeah, you know, level
reaches the point in his career when he's ready to retire,
and he does so just a couple of years later,
in nineteen seventy three. Swiggert is slated to fly aboard
the joint Soviet American spaceflight, the Apollo Soya's test project
(31:33):
in nineteen seventy five, but he's removed from the crew
after being implicated in the Apollo fifteen postal cover scandal
of nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
What which is probably saying we're going to cover on
this shot.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's exactly right, because I don't totally get it. It's
a scheme involving taking unauthorized postal covers into space so
that they could be sold at premium back on Earth afterward.
Oh oh, I get it. Okay, they're like, this has
been to space totally. It's totally murged. Oh my god.
(32:06):
He leaves the space program in nineteen seventy three, gets
elected to the House of Representatives in nineteen eighty two. Unfortunately, yeah,
he dies from cancer before he gets a chance to
even serve his seat. And then Hayes would have gone
on to command the Apollo nineteen mission, but he decided
to retire before then in nineteen seventy nine, So none
of them go back to I.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mean, just think about it. You get into that situation, you,
by the skin of your teeth get back out of
that situation. Yeah, and then you're like, sure, I'll do
another one. And all you would do is think about
all the ways things could go wrong. That's what happens
after things go wrong, is they we're like, well, that
can happen. So what's going to happen this time?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah? Did one guy not check the one other thing
that there was the other thing that controls the other thing.
You'll never fucking know until it's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that is the miracle of spaceflight, is the fact
that the other times we did it, none of those
things happened.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Totally amazing. In nineteen ninety four, Lovel co authors his
first hand account of the Apollo thirteen mission with journalist
Jeffrey Klueger in their book Lost Moon The Perilous Voyage
of Apollo thirteen. And that is the book that is
adapted into the beloved Ron Howard directed movie Apollo Thirteen,
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which solidified the line Houston, we have a problem in
our memories Forever, and also the movie from twenty sixteen,
Hidden Figures, starring Taraji p Henson as Catherine Johnson. So
she was a black woman and mathematician who worked at
NASA and her work helped get Apollo thirteen back home
(33:42):
safe yeap her badassory and the movie is based on
the book Hidden Figures by Margo Lee Shutterley, so check
that out as well for more of this story.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
That movie is really really good because it's like you
just keep watching it going this really happened, like this
really happened, and that idea that she was the most
brilliant person, separate from her gender, separate from you know,
her skin color or whatever. And then she's kind of
sad in this room where a bunch of dudes are
like you shouldn't be here, and then she's like, watch
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how much I should be here. I'm gonna fucking help
save everybody. It's such a good movie.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's fucking incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, I loved it just real quick. Do you remember
when we did CBS show in New York and Ron
Howard was the guest before us, and he walked through
and said and looked at us, and I was like, oh,
my god, it's Ron Howard and he walked through and
we were the next guest yes, and looked at us
and goes, hey, good luck or you have fun and
like took a moment to like hype us, give us
(34:43):
a little thumbs up, where I was like you classy bastards.
So that rushed right out of here, like you are
so busy, and instead it was like full eye contact
and like with this smile, like hey, isn't it fun
we all get to be on this show.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Just these two girls sitting in the green room going
like fuck fuck fuck fuck, and here's just going out.
Good luck, guys, have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Oh my god, Ron, I love that man. I have
always loved that man since my happy days days in
my childhood. But that was, like god, that was meaningful.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, so classy. But guess what what And that
is the story of the Apollo thirteen mission.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean we really went through it on that way.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I think I've lost thirteen pounds by just sitting here
and listening to this fucking shit.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I had my first known hot flash.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Man on records on record where it wasn't asleep for it,
So it's pretty I think we need to actively start
talking about menopause on our show, because A people don't
talk about it enough and B it is happening. It
is happening.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Are we gonna alienate the little gals who were like,
what are you talking about? My tits are perky, and
I don't know what else is there and I don't
sweat randomly for no fucking reason.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But here's the thing. They will eventually well, and that's
that's like, no one talks about this shit, and so
when you come to it, you're like, I think I'm
in a bad mood. I think I'm I think the
heaters on, I think this, and I think that because
there is no hygiene class in high school that talks
about it. There's nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Let's talk about hormones. And just to like calm everyone down,
my tits are still very perky.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh my god, you should see they're almost above her eyes.
It's crazy, very.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Distract hitting myself in the faith.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That was great. Good job, Thanks Willio.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Thank you well. Thanks for listening to our little quickie episode.
We appreciate you guys being here, going to space and
back and menopause and all over with.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Us and all of the places. Thanks for joining us
once again on the journey of life, Stay sexy and
don't get murdered. Give me.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Elvis, Do want a cookie?
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This has been an Exactly Right production.
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Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.
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Our editor is Aristotle os Vedo.
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This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.
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Our researchers are Maaron McGlashan and Ali Elkin.
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Good byebye,
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