51 - A Bit of Oblivion

Ring those bells it's the latest My Favorite Murder. This week Karen and Georgia recount the harrowing survival story of Jennifer Holliday and the tragic case behind the creation of Megan's Law.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Let it sounds like scary less the rhines out in Africa?

(00:26):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It does? Wait, dabe, it's good. We've has like seven
seven you just beat boxing over it.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hold on, Steven, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
How many minutes long is that?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
It just it just fades out. Put that up on something.
My face is burning.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I just I love it. I'm miss making music. So
it was just like, oh my gosh, I'm course he did.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
He like heard a thing that we wanted and he's like,
not us, but like in life, this is why you're
going to fucking rule the world. I'm very Karen, very.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Did you guys talk about this? But I don't know.
I have no idea what's going But I wish you
could see that from my From my point of view,
how insane that was. Stephen is great. Stephen, you've done it.
You did it, Stephen, you've really done it. Now in
the breakdown part where you're really kind of getting into
it and you're really singing, who was going through your

(01:54):
head in that part when you're recording it? I just
like the Somble partner. I was like, well, I got
to make this an actual covers.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I just kind of vamped on that I didn't think
of lyrics or anything. No, but I'm saying like you did,
but you really went for an unextended part where you're
kind of got emotional at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I don't know, it just kind of you just let
it out. Yeah, you just let it your feelings. Well,
thank you so much. I love it. Thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Episode fifty one played again over.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Episode fifty one, and when they played over and over
and over again, I just want to like verse after
verse after verse where he's just like I started wooking
filled them.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And then there's the there's like, yeah, there's like the
breakdown where it's like Elvis is me out and it's
like breaking it down. That's good. You're so red right now, Stephen.
You're the color of your red beanie.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I love it. It's cute. I love it. Steven. Hey,
this is He's my favorite Murder. Welcome to My Favorite
Murder and Stephen's Stephen's Reggae podcast, Breaking your Balls. What's up? Hi?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Hi, that's Karen, that's Georgia. This's my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do you like murder? You come to the right place?
Do you not like murder?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Go away?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Give it a try. Oh, go give it a try.
I mean, who knows. Yeah, everybody thinks they don't like murder.
Oh my god, till you hear a real good story
about it.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, everyone thinks I hate that one. They're like, you're
creepy like murder, and like, well, I have this really
interesting story. You're like ive, Everyone fucking loves murder.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
People love a good story. Come on, man, don't don't
judge us. This is just like Stephen's theme song. Don't
judge it until you get all the way through to
the emotional twice. Yeah, you should listen to it twice
for sure. Listen to this podcast twice, please, and then
stare at us while our face gets red.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I was listening to the last episode. I don't listen
to a lot of episodes anymore because like it's just
like hard, but let's listen to the last one just
for quality control. And I was cleaning the house and
I just started I had my earphones in and Vince
was like doing another thing, and I just started cracking
up so loudly at some point something that we talked about.

(04:20):
And it's like, partly it's funny, but it's also like
I'm laughing at how like how fun our friendship is
and like these things, like it's funny to me because
I know it's going on, and it was like you okay,
and I had to take out my headphones to me
and like I'm laughing at my own podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Sorry. Have you ever had the thing where your podcast starts?
Like I never close windows on my phone correctly, So
if I'm listening to our podcast in the car and
then I'll walk in somewhere and then like in the
grocery store, our podcast will start. So it's like me
and my own podcast standing there trying to press Like
the harder you touch it, the more it won't go off. Yeah,

(04:57):
that's happened a couple of times. Fun. Yeah, we've all
been pretty embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
We're all stupid, and it's fine. Look how far we've come.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Way to go, Way to go, everybody, everybody. We did
it together.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So this is episode fifty one, and my bags are
packed and I'm ready to go. And this is the
last episode. I mean, it doesn't matter to anyone, like
we're just voicing it matters to us that does. This
is the last episode in the place where we have recorded.
I was gonna say filmed, recorded, fifty one episodes.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, and it's going to wherever we do it in
your apartment. In your new apartment is going to have
a completely different feel, weird and vibe as opposed to
this beautiful sea foam green kind of like retro.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, situation that we've been in, cozy and homie. There's
no like hard angles. Nope, I don't know what that means.
But it's like my apartment that I've been I can't
like normally, Like we'll do the overcord stuff and you
like my apartment are yours, Let's go to mind mind
the like. You'll do it back and forth and they
overle places. But this is every single fucking except for

(06:07):
live ones. That's right.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I've been in this apartment. It's always been in here.
Thank you for that, Thank you for opening your home,
like leaving my house. Yeah, it works out good in
that way. I gotta wear. And also, if we did
it at my house, it would just be forty five second,
every forty five seconds barking.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, that would then people would make memes of your
dog's frank and George barking instead of all this scream
in his fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I don't know, I wouldn't be as good. No, yeah,
oh well it's a nand of an era. It's also
twenty seventeen, so good like new things. It's all about
new energies, limital space, what we've talked about already. Yeah,
what can come out of being in a totally new spot?

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, vibes are involved, probably.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I bet vibes are totally involved. My good ones. I hope.
Well we'll see, we'll see, and if not, then we'll move.
Then you have to get a new apartment or move
back into this apartment.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
My god, I'm sad. I'm going to miss the place
Vince proposed to me right there.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Shit, yeah, take a picture before you go.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It wasn't a great proposal though, so it's okay, should
be snip that part. No, he fucking knows, no, I
mean yeah, no, no, no, he had fucking he had
stomach flu. It wasn't a great all right, So I

(07:26):
cried you weren't in.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
The hot air balloon like you wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Well, it was basically a hot air balloon, but it
was Oh my god, Okay, hey, what's what's uh? Let's
crapping in what h corner? Did you watch Menta's brothers. No,
it's fucked up. It was good, was it?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
It was just like a like an hour long thing
about the trial and the murder and stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Some people were saying it was amazing. Would you use
the word amazing?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
No, it was like an extended twenty twenty episode.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
What new information was revealed that I wouldn't have known
in nineteen what was it ninety six? Well?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
None, Oh, but you'd look at it from a new angle.
And my my angle that he looked at it how,
which I thought was interesting, is like they the Menanda's
brothers argued that the dad was molesting them, right, but
then went in like this crazy other direction of how
the mom was molesting them too, and he molests It

(08:21):
got crazy, but you could you could kind of tell
the little part that was actually true in my mind, yeah,
and the stuff that they just exaggerated from them trying
to play on that. And if they had just gone
with the part that was true, which I think maybe
the dad was molesting them, but they were also sociopaths,
then maybe they wouldn't have gotten such extreme sentences.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
They that was your theory, or they talk about it,
that's my theory. Oh, oh oh, did they talk about
those wigs at all? Yeah? I didn't know for real,
he had a two pey Yeah, I didn't know that.
And he was so young.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
One of the brothers who they both just looked like
they both looked like Mad Magazine characters.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
But it was Lyle had the to pay, right, Yeah,
the older brother, older brother had to pay.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Older brother said that he molested the younger brother. Oh no,
in court and apologized. And when you see their faces
when they're when supposedly they're telling the truth, it's so
different when they're than when they're lying.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Really, that's what I like.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I would say, watch it just for the testimony alone. Okay,
it's so interesting to see. They seem like such creepy,
fucking narcissistic sociopaths, which I know everyone hates that when
we use those terms because but they seem creepy and
lying and it's full of shit. In tell there's this
one part that could be.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
True, Oh okay, and then it's like like it just
resonates where you're looking at it. You're going, I don't
think this person is doing the thing he was just
doing with that other Oosh.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
They they're broken all of a sudden and then they're
back to normal, and it's like they're just like lying.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, look, I get it would make sense because
it's one thing, like killing her parents. Uh so that
you can have money as one thing, but like machine
gunning down your parents or whatever, didn't they have some
crazy gun? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
And the other thing about that too is that like
if they had just done it to their father, they
might have gotten a pretty lenient sentence if they had said,
like he was molesting us for years when we were traumatized, right,
But they like kind of chased.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Down the mom.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, and everyone was like that part to them was
like how could you kill your mother? And so they
made up this. I think they made up the story
about the mom molesting them too, when really I think
they were just pissed off that she never cared or
did anything about it. Right, It's just really it's it's
I mean, this is all made up shit obviously, but yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Your theory, it's all my theory, right, but it's based
on you've listened to one million podcasts about it, and
they watched a million crime shows about it. And uh
there was also the thing of how that father, Jose
was just a big fucking bully and so it was
like she was bullied herself. But yeah, yeah, it's ugly.

(11:02):
The whole thing is there's definitely no clear lines except
for the fact that yeah, you just you can't. Here's
the thing. You murder them, but then you just go
on a fucking spending spree. I mean they just didn't
do anything right. No, not at all. I guess I
don't like that one because it's just greed. I hate

(11:22):
the creed based one.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's a lot that I don't of those that I
don't like until I watched something a little more interesting
about them and then like them. And this is one
of them where like I didn't give a shit, we
just happened to catch.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
It, and then I liked it. She must have been
produced kind of well yeah, no, it's done really well.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It was just like, wasn't you know one of the
like Jean Benet ones that are like fucking crazy and insane?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And did you see that picture? My friend Molly just
sent out a birthday in amstation. Oh Mollie mclar yes,
I got it. Did you see that fucking picture? I
responded to her. I was like.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Our friend Molly mclare mal's she just sent.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
It's a picture of Jean Beney and Burke.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's a birthday invitation, and it's like it's not even invitation.
All it says is, Hey, I'm gonna be here on
this day. I'm turning this age.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
But it's what is it? Are we blowing up her
spot right now?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
But we're plugging her. What's her podcast called.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Stephen mother May Podcasts?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
She does a podcast about fucking crazy Lifetime movies.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's great. So we're fucking blowing her up right now. Yeah. No,
I'm just saying her birthday party physically where it was anyway.
It's a picture of Jean Benet and her brother Burke,
and the eyes are scratched out of Burke and the
mouth is scratched out, which looks like it basically looks
like this John Benney did it. Did the scratching right

(12:48):
like it was a found photo, and that's what I
assumed it was that, like someone found that photo in
the Ramsey's house.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I really appreciated it.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I appreciated it. It's subtlety. But do you think it
was a found photo or do you think someone did that?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
That's a photo that's like none known to.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Have been made by not anybody house.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Not the scratches, the photo of it's de Genreet unwrapping
presents and Burke smiling at the camera, which I've seen
before million times.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So she probably did it herself.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Molly did, yeah, or she found it online, but that's
not how it actually looked.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Okay, because if that's how they found it, if you
were the cop that found that picture, when you just
start fucking screaming at the top of your lungs, I
mean it's so sinister. Yeah yeah, that's good. Uh yeah,
So go to that birthday party.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Here's where it's at, right, get your pencil, here's her
home phone number, get your razor blade ready to write
down in your arm where this is. At last, we
were going to talk about people. So there was someone
who made a Yellow Pages ad for my favorite murder
right m that we both love, and that was it's

(14:02):
a w sweet baby angle and it says do you
want it? And it looks like a real Yellow Pages
ad of Karen and I looking like for lawyers on
our Instagram page. And then I don't know if you
saw this one, Karen, but someone else made one and
actually put it in the paper. So this girl, uh,

(14:23):
this girl named Sarah are her sister. She's an editor
of a small town paper, and they did a review
of the play Squeeze My Cans about scientology, and so
she was gonna write she had to write a story
about it, and she was going to do a teaser
on the front page that she had to do to
be like to go to the to read about this,
go to page seventeen or whatever the fuck. And she wrote, like,

(14:46):
to go to page seventeen. Uh, here's what, here's where.
Here's the teaser. Oh my god, it just says you're
in a cult. Call your dads, just randomly.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
This one's re Yeah, because Georgia sent me the picture
of the Yellow Pages ad and goes, look at someone
put in their Yellow Pages. I thought it was real
and then I look at it and I couldn't stop
laughing because I was like, that's insane. Who would take
the time to do that? And then like probably forty
five seconds later, you're breck. Wait a say, and that's
not real? Like, wait, hold on a second, I hitch,

(15:19):
but it looks dead on it does? I mean it
looks and it looks like the illustration I really appreciate.
First of all, they made me look good in the blazer,
which I never do.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
We look fucking business cash hot.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's business cash hot. I have a waste. It's exciting
in the illustrations, very exciting in that way. But then
I was like, fuck, you have someone put this in
a Yellow Pages. I'm down for looking like this in
the way it looks like one of.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Those ads of like do you need a cheap lawyer?
And it says do you want to stay sexy, not
get murdered, get a job, buy your own, stand at
the forest, not be a fucking linatic.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Call Karen and Georgia. Call now.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Space is limited and it's just like us with our
arms crossed, looking how to suck. But this one's about scientology.
So the lead is you're in a car, call your dad.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
So good it's I love it.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Anything else I want to talk about the Yellow Pages.
New Detectives is on Amazon. I tried watching it. It's okay,
I guess, uh sorry what? Sorry? What?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm sorry? What It's okay, goodbye, goodbye? Uh it's fine,
it's fine, Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
New Detectives it's on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's not New Detective it's real detective. Fuck, why do
we keep coming out that? I mean, but did you
see the right one? Yes? Okay, I saw real detective.
It's first person detective, Yes, telling about telling their story? Yes?
Which which do you remember the case? You want?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I watched the first three, the one about the fucking
kid and the like dude like baby killer and little
boy killer in Seattle's fucked up as ship.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I just I think I'm I just think that the
re enactments and all this ship takes so long to
tell the story and they kind of like you see
eight minutes of them watching the like CCTV footage of
the kid running by and then you finally see the car,

(17:10):
Like it's just just it could be thirty seconds of that,
and it kind of drives me crazy when it's like
takes forever. Oh okay, Like there's a lot I think.
I think reenactments are just a tool to make the
episode longer in a lot of shows, or.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
To tell the story. I mean, I like it because
it actually tells that story where it's they're basically trying
to do it, like this is my first person experience
with solving this case, and anytime it's just like you're
not your bag, because like anytime you're doing a first
person thing, you have to be able to cut away
to something besides that person telling you that story.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
But at the same time, they made the guy look
stupid where he was like you see the kid run
by and he's like, Okay, that's not him, damn it
and walks away, and I'm like, check the time on
the on the ccch FOP footage, it says eleven thirty.
You'd go back to the fucking bank and be like,
is the time correct on this? And then like in
twenty minutes later they realize it's not the right time,
and then they still.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Want it's not the right time in real time. It's
that the bank thing. It didn't update for like daylight saving,
so it was the.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Thing that I'm saying you should check. He would have
checked that, and he wouldn't have just stopped watching when
it was the wrong time. He would have Still like,
it's just like a lot of it's a lot of like,
it's a lot of fucking filler.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
And I don't and I can't sit through that. Okay,
I know I'll never recommend that too again. I just
can't with reenact then well, yeah, that's not your that's
not your now Yeah no, No, that's actually the one
I like the best. Yeah, because that case is fucking crazy.

(18:47):
I've never heard it before. I mean, that guy, the
way he finds that guy and the way it all
goes down is so horrifying. Yeah, and he basically catches
the guy in the end act. It's such a good story.
The stories are super cool. It's it's the it's the dramatization. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, I dig, Yeah, I say, I do, I do.
Thank you, merch corner apology corner fucking weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, what do you have?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean I don't either.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
My favorite writer shirts dot com or my favorite writer
dot com.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
But the good news is this week I wanted to
get back to the thing I like to do the best,
which is retail and I survived, Yeah, which is a
first person show that does not use r enactments. Yay.
But also this is one of the ones. As I
was writing this up, I realized, Uh, when we've talked

(19:50):
in the past about how I cannot listen to nine
one month calls, this is the one time that I've
listened to animal one call that it insanely enhanced the story,
so it wasn't just like some lunatic person screaming in
panic and like a horror thing that immediately makes you go,
oh my god, everyone's in danger. It's like the perfect

(20:11):
most of the fact that they even have it to
run during the story is incredible. So anyway, I'll just
tell you what it was. This is the This is
the attempted murder of Jennifer Holiday and the murder of
Anna Franklin, and it happened in This is from season two,
episode six of Ice Orry. So anyway, if you haven't
heard this, I love the show I Survived. It's now

(20:32):
in reruns. I think it's on their rerunning it on Lifetime,
but you can also get it on something else whatever.
I think they're also on YouTube. But I like to
every once in a while remember ones that just stuck
with me and talk about them, because I do love
a survivor and I love the first person. I do
love a first person tale of insane horror and.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Then makes me like calm down a little bit because
you know, like, whatever bad happens, like you can still
back to the person and they're not dead.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
They're not fucking dead. Yeah, So it's like okay to
be into it. Yes exactly. You're you're not going straight
down like we do at the end of an episode.
Sometimes we're just like, oh, great they got murdered. Yes exactly,
this is a no matter what's happening, you're going you're
still looking at the person. It's like triumphant, you know, absolutely,
And a lot of the time because it's I would

(21:22):
say eighty percent women telling these stories, and they're telling
you stories where you're like, holy fucking shit, and they're
telling you, you know, just fine, telling you the story
of this thing that happened, that they survived, that they've
gotten through, and they're there to tell you that story.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, Like you're like, I would never get out of
a fetal position if this happened to me, and they're.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Like, yes you would, Yes, you absolutely would fucking deal
with it and that because that's life, and life goes
on and everybody does like not everybody does this, but
the people who experience extreme trauma continue to live and
sometimes even flourish afterwards and help other people. Because so
that's why I get super like a weird Christian about it,
because I'm just like, let me fucking ring all those

(22:02):
bells due.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
It's a motherfucking resilien sanchat.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
So I like this one too, because it's fucking exactly
like a seventies horror movie. It is I when you
see it and you hear it, and I recommend that
you watch it. Okay, camp, it's no a camp, no,
but kind of close. It's like that feel. So basically
it's this. It's May twenty fifth, two thousand and five,

(22:28):
and Jennifer Sorry, May twenty ninth, two thousand and five.
Jennifer Holiday is driving down Highway sixty nine and a
near it's just north of Lufkin, Texas, with her seventeen
year old cousin, Anna Franklin. They're in an suv going
seventy miles an hour, and all of a sudden, there's
the fucking loudest bang in the world. She doesn't even

(22:49):
know what happened. They pull there's glass and blood everywhere
all of a sudden, and they pull over and her
cousin starts screaming and she looks down and her left
arm has been shot. She's been shot through the window
of her car and her left arm is almost severed,
like right above the elbow. Holy fuck. So her cousbin.

(23:11):
Her cousin's losing her shit, of course, and she's and
she is an EMT. So she goes super calm and
is like, pull out your phone, call nine one one
right now, you know. Basically is like, calm down, stop
screaming whatever. Yeah. What they don't realize is there was
a man who was driving next to them and he

(23:32):
was the one who shot at them. And he pulls
over and he walks up to the open driver's side window,
reaches in past Jennifer grabs the phone out of Anna's
hand and just tosses it away, and he's laughing, and
she says, right then, she was like, I got real scared,

(23:55):
and uh so he basically, uh he backs up. He's
got a shotgun in his hands, and they're and they're
both just kind of staring at him. He like takes
a couple steps backwards, picks up the shotgun and just
shoots into the car. And Jennifer said, in this show,

(24:20):
she sees it's like a tracer where she sees the
bullet go by her face, Like it just goes right
by the front of her face and shoots Anna in
the head and kills her.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Wait, this is the older chick or the younger one.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
The younger chick gets shot in the head and killed.
Fuck it's her cousin, so oh my god. So then
he pulls Jennifer out of the car and she's like,
what the fuck is going on? Her arm is like
hanging off, and he puts her into his car and
they start driving up the highway. This is a fucking

(24:54):
Mary vincentale all over it. It's fucking it's insane. But
it's also this kind of thing where it's like you
you can see it if like shot, you can see
it shot all grainy in like eight millimeter, where you're like,
what the fuck. And it's like when she tells the story,
it's like the guy's laughing. It's stuff where you're like.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Who fuck what status is or what county Texas?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's north of Lufkin, Texas. Okay, I don't know what
the county. Not the shit man, we're in what part
of Texas is? Apparently it's a big place. So they're
just driving like ninety miles an hour out of town.
They drive and drive. So now she says there's no
one around, there's no lights, there's no houses, there's no
one anywhere, Oh my god. And at one point he

(25:38):
pulls her out of the car. He pulls over, pulls
her out of the car, pulls her into the woods,
and rapes her. Then then when he's finally done and
he's like ripped all her clothes off and everything, he
does the thing where he's like, all of a sudden,
then he starts crying. Yeah. Then he looks at her
and goes, oh my god, you're bleeding. What happened? What?

(25:59):
And then he starts laughing, and she realizes, Okay, this
person is either on drug, like something is seriously fucking
wrong with this guy, and I need to get myself
out of here. So she fucking comes up with this plan.
And this is the part where we're like, this is
why you fucking hang in through the commercial and you're like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Well, this is so interesting too, because like it's not
like she's just like I don't know what this guy's
capable of. She just she knows her cousin is dad
back in the fucking car.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
She knows what this dude is capable of.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
There's no like she knows, there's no fucking.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
She knows we're we're in complete emergency mode and something
must be done, and she sees his weakness. That's the thing,
is the person acting like that. She realizes there could
be some play here. She could do something about the
situation that she's in. So what she starts doing, and
it's so fucking brilliant is she starts She's the way
she says it because she has her text and accent.

(26:54):
She's like, I start rubbing up on him and acting
like I really like him and saying basically saying things,
thank you for saving me, and you're so nice and
like being flirty and sweety, and he immediately reacts and
is like into it. So she's basically convinces him he
didn't attack her. She's treating him like the hero and saying,

(27:15):
I can't believe you saved me from that man. Thank
you so much, thank you so much, You're my hero,
And oh my god, I just want to can we
go back to your house? What the fuck? Because she's
thinking in her head, they're in the front right now,
They're in the middle of fucking nowhere. There's not a
person to be found, there's not a light, so at
least if he drives her to his house, there will

(27:35):
be a phone or there will be at least one
other person or a knife she can fucking stabish some
fuck something, which is brilliant. She's just like, get me
out of this spot now. And also clearly you're on drugs.
There's something's going on with you where you can be manipulated.
How she fucking goes for it and it works. He
gets her back into the car and he's like, I
can drive you to my house. But here's the thing.

(27:56):
Don't do don't be bad and don't do what the
bad people do, because you'll hey in this hint. And
she's like, I won't I promise, Why would I? And
she's and she'd be like, I'm so grateful to you.
You've helped me so much. And then he's like believing
what she's saying. O my god. And then he would
like look at her and be like, oh my god,
you're covered in blood. She'd be like, I know I
need help really badly, and so she's basically doing this.

(28:18):
They get to his house. He turned down the road
into a cemetery. Oh fuck, I mean, if you fucking
wrote this, it'd be like change the cemetery part. That's crazy.
Go to a house. They're driving into an old cemetery
and she's like, she's sit naked, covered in blood, and like,

(28:41):
what the where are we going? My god? They go
down a hill a little bit and there's like two
trailers on either side, and one of them is his.
So they go down into this kind of thing past
the cemetery and this is where he lives.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
So that's where I'm moving out. I didn't tell you
that this mining girl's good. Good because just for like
just to be around shits and gigs. Man right right,
good plan.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So he takes her into the house and he actually
lets her use the phone. No, yeah, he's like, she's
convinced him that it has worked and he now believes
that he helped her. Oh my gosh. So here's the
fucking nine one one call part that you have it. Yes,
it is. You have to watch this episode because you
play it for her. She no, dude, she is so calm,

(29:32):
and she's like, Hi, yeah, I got shot and this
man helped me so much. He is sitting right here
in front of me and he helped me so much,
and I just I really need help and I need
someone to come and help me because but this man
helped me and saved me. And the woman's like, ma'am,
did you say you were shot? And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I need help. And so she's doing this thing

(29:54):
where the words she's saying don't match her tone of voice,
and the woman on the other line it only takes
her like three exchanges, and she's like, what the fuck.
So the woman goes, are you saying you were shot?
She's like, yeah, and I need help. And this man
helped me so much, this man right here in front
of me. And then she goes, Mama, are you not
from around here? And she goes, no, uh uh uh

(30:15):
uh and here and he's here, so I'm safe with him.
I'm here with him, and I need you to send
me an ambulance because I'm bleeding really bad. And then
she hears the nine one one operator someone else says
something where it's like that shooting. And then she gets
back on the phone and she said and she the
nine one one operator. I can't remember how it goes exactly,

(30:36):
but it's basically like she goes, the woman says something
shows did you say there's like something about a shooting
and she goes she goes, uh huh huh he's here
right now and he's helping me so much. It's it's
that one. It's same one. Uh huh. And she basically
is like hearing you say it by the one telling
her God in this like super pleasant voice, giving her

(30:59):
these signals without letting onto the crazy man literally sitting
in front of her. That the shooter is sitting fucking
in front of her.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Isn't it crazy that if he were a little less crazy,
this wouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Worked, right, you know what I mean? Yes, like if
whatever angel dust or fucking thing he was on or
whatever his deal wasm. But he actually the way she
played it, and when you hear her this niemal one call,
you understand how it worked because she's not I'm actually
doing too much energy. She's like almost kind of like

(31:32):
chill like this where it's like, yeah, I just need
and uh huh yep, that's it, yeah, and doing that
fucking thing. Soh my god, my god. So she says,
just an ambulance or whatever. So she can't they can't
figure out where she is because there it's not like
a trace whatever Tracey. He ends up getting on no

(31:54):
and they have that no that portion of the nimal
one call where he's giving the nine one operator directions
to his house. How the fuck does he not not like,
how does that happen? Because he was out of his
fucking mind on drugs. He was on and drunk. But
I think it's the drugs and maybe something else. He
has brains already a crazy rap sheet. He had benangel

(32:18):
a ton of times, lots of fucking domestic violence, he
had gotten into his girlfriend had left him that night,
Oh my god. And he got drunk at a bar
and he said he did like Xanax or Paxlour's like
one single thing where I'm like, dude, you were on
fucking angel dust. That's like Tuesday for me. Man, Yeah,
that's right. So so anyway, the part of the recording,

(32:42):
he's talking to the operator saying how they should get
to his house and then going yeah, and she's bleeding
real bad. I mean I got blood all over me too,
and I saved her and I don't know, like you
need to get someone here really fast, like he's completely
been convinced Jesus. And she goes, well, is she doing okay?
And she's the nine on an operator is like sweet

(33:02):
as pie. You would never know that she's talking to
anybody except for the nice man that saved this woman.
So he says, only you can only have an ambulance,
no cops, and she's like, no, of course not. I
only want an ambulance. I just need to get this
blood off man, get this thing taken care of. He's
like okay, So then he gives her shorts and a
shirt to put on so she doesn't have to walk outside.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Nakedagine being naked, like naked, it's like so vulnerable, naked,
uncovered in blood.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Dude, it is total horror movie. She goes outside and
she says she's lost so much blood at this point,
and she's the empty so she knows, like she knows,
and she says she's walking out, she sees the ambulance.
So she's walking up this hill trying to get to
the ambulance and she's like, she goes and I know
I've lost so much blood because I can see the
trees moving. What it was was the fucking swat team

(33:53):
in place. And she gets like out of range, and
he is walking outside behind because he's like gonna see
her to the fucking fbulance. And then the second, like
the second he gets far enough outside, the SWAT team
just fucking goes down. He fights them, They take him down,
and they arrested. They don't kill him. That's amazing. They

(34:15):
take him down. You're not supposed to just.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Go right, but like you know, you'd think he'd fight back.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And no, he fought him, but they's arrested. Having good
for them, they arrested him. Uh and oh, sorry, so
he gets I talked my way down off of this
part of the document. Uh. He gets two life sentences

(34:47):
and then added on years for assault and kidnapping. Uh. Oh,
it's two life sentences for capital murderer c evadd salt
and kidnapping. And when that show aired in two thousand
and seven, she still had over thirty shotgun pellets lodged

(35:08):
in her arm, neck, and.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Chest two years later that she did the show. Then, yes,
that's fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, and she still had like shotgun pellets inside her
from these shotgun blast that she survived. Fucking crazy. She
had a son that she since then no, no, no,
At the time, she was a single mother, and she
said that she was thinking like what she was positive
she was going to die in the cemetery house that

(35:37):
she ended up at Yeah, and so the fact that
when she got on that nine on one call, she
got to talk to this woman who got her shitt,
who like picked up on the game and fucking did it.
And because it's like basically the cops had come up
upon Anna's dead body in that car, they knew a
situation had happened, and basically everybody hooked it all together.

(35:57):
It's like best case scenario looking for this person. This
girl is calling, Yes, this is what this is. And
then basically at the very end, Jennifer just says I
should have died that night, Like it's a miracle of
God that I lived. And I just want to say this,
it's not a God, bless God. It's not a miracle

(36:18):
of God. Because she was instinctually smart. She fucking came
up with a plan and she was brave enough to
enact it and go for it and make it happen
for herself. She did it like she did it. Yeah,
and yes it worked out good best case scenario. But
it's like that's that's that's that's a survivor's instinct that
she had, and she did it for herself.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I mean, yeah, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, I wonder where
she is now, like if she gonna what's she doing?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Now? Where's her kid? It's got to be proud of her,
right yo?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Fuck dude, pretty good. It's a good one. What's her
name again? Her name is Jennifer Holiday? Okay? And her
cousin who died who was She was like in her
late twenties, but her cousin who died was seventeen when
it happened. Anna Franklin, Oh honey, I'm sorry. Alright, Pee,
I'm going to type in my password. What if I

(37:14):
read it while I typed it in to my computer?
I didn't? All right? Are you ready for mine? I am?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Mine's a bummer. Get ready to be bummed. It's not
a survivor's story, but there is a positive ending to it.
Something good happens out of it.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Jesse timndecoss.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
He is born April fifteenth in nineteen sixty one in
Piscataway and New Jersey. He claims that his mother was promiscuous,
a promiscuous alcoholic, had ten children by seven different men,
and that his dad was a violent drinker, and that
his dad had sexually abused him and his brother all

(38:00):
the time and that they once saw their dad.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Rape a seven year old girl.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
What the fuck, that's what they says, they said, And
that the father tortured and killed pets, and that he
once forced this guy Jesse and his brothers to eat
their pet rabbit.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
What Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
So in nineteen seventy nine, when this guy, Jesse Tamndekos,
is eighteen, he persuades two five year old girls to
go off with him in search of ducks, is what
he tells them. He took them by the hand and
leads them towards an embankment. One of the girls fucking
has some horrible feeling and takes off, leaves them.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
With the other girl, a little five year old girl. Ash.
She's like, fuck this, I'm gonna get help Jesus.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
But the other girl, they get to the bottom of
the hill by the brook, he knocks her down, he
pulls her pants down, and right at that moment, the
girl who ran away had got a neighbor and they
run up and fucking find him. So Jesse pleads guilty
to the attempted aggravated sexual assault, and exchange for pleading guilty,
he gets a suspended sentence as long as he agrees

(39:10):
to get with counseling or to get counseling. He doesn't
get it, and he sent for as a punishment, is
sent for nine months to the Middlesex Adult Correctional Center
nine months because he said no to fucking counseling.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
So in nineteen eighty one, he's out and he lures
a seven year old girl into the woods. Don't go
in the fucking woods with the promise of firecrackers, ma'am.
And again, this girl's with a friend, and this friend
is like, fuck this and takes off on her bike.

(39:49):
But while that's happening, Jesse takes the girl unto the woods,
strangles her until he thinks she's dead, and while he's
running out of the woods, the girl who survived had
gotten cops and they catch him. He pleads guilty to
assault and is imprisoned in the Adult Diagnostic and Treatment

(40:11):
Center in Avenel, New Jersey, for ten years, but he
only gets six years. He's let out after that, and
a therapist says that he thinks that he would eventually,
So the therapist says that she thinks that he'll eventually
commit another sex crime, but she doesn't think he'll commit murder,
so let him fucking go after six years. So when

(40:35):
he leaves this facility, he moves in too. He moves
into a town where's the town name? Okay? He moves
into Hamilton Township, New Jersey, into a house with two
other sex offenders that he had met at the facility.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
What yep, their plan or like halfway house style?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Their plan? Dude, there's no halfway house style in the
it's the they're out and free. Yes, the early nineties. Oh,
there's no halfway house style. So it's the early nineties.
I was thinking of those like seventies. I had that
kind of like he went in nineteen eighty one. He
goes in for six or seven years. So he moves

(41:17):
out and so he's living at this time in Hamilton Township,
New Jersey. One of the sex savendors he lived with
named Brian Jennen. He had he had joined the Big
Brothers so he could have access to young boys. So
he gets out. The other one is Joseph Cephelli. He
had been charged with carnal abuse, he sodomy of a

(41:38):
five year old girl, and he pled guilty to three
counts of impairing the morals of a minor what kind
of fucking important impairing the morals. No, you're a fucking rapist.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
You're a rapist. It's not.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
You're not fucking with the morals, man, you're like. Okay,
So across the street from their house and one house
down and this street, I saw it on a video.
It's a tiny street. It's like, it's a small neighborhood.
And this is like, this is a small town. You know, families.
It's not a dangerous town. Right across the street lives

(42:17):
the Kenka family, and part of that family was seven
year old Megan So. On July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety four,
Megan walks by his house on the way to a
friend's house, and Jesse tells her, as he had done
in other fucking times, that he has an animal to
show her. He says that he has a puppy inside

(42:40):
his house wants to show her, and she goes with
him into his room. He rapes her and sodomizes her
and slams her head into the dresser. He puts plastic
bags of her head so she won't bleed in his
room and strangles her with a belt, and then he

(43:00):
puts her body into a toy chest and dumps her
in the nearby Mercer County Park. It's fucking horrifying. So
that night, Megan's Stanley's freaking out. There's a search for her.
Jesse participates in it, handing out flyers. They go to

(43:22):
the police, go to order door. He tells them he
had seen Megan riding her bicycle around two thirty in
the afternoon, but he also tells Maureen, Meghan's mom, some
other weird shit about seeing her before dinner.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
His story is weird.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
He's like nervous and sweating when he's telling these stories.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Wait, so sorry. He went to the mom and was like, oh,
the mom.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Was like, have you seen them? And he was, you know,
he was like he wasn't keeping his own story straight
and he was offering too much information and okay. And
so the next day, I guess one of the roommates
had like had like had convinced him to confess, was like,
you need to fucking.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Confess, fucking in the bowels of hell. Decide they're gonna
get fucking.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
This Guy's like, I'm fucking clean man, Madia the fuck
out of here. The next day he goes in and
confesses to investigators, and he leads the police to Megan's body.
He confesses to some of it, but not all of
the aspects of the sexual assault. And so once the
autopsy happened, the police are like, yeah, but here's more information,
and he's like, okay, yeah, I did that too. Like

(44:23):
he's a fucking creepyoy and he knows like he's not
he's not crazy and he's not mentally impaired because he
knows to keep this certain information from the cops. He
knows that he should put a bag over her head
so that blood won't get places, because yeah, he's aware
of it. He's act aware even though he had a
really low self, He had a really low IQ, but

(44:44):
he knew the things to hide something.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He was smart enough to covers on fucking.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Trucks, right, So there's so bloodstained hair, fiber samples. And
also Megan had fucking fought back and there was a
bite mark on Jesse's hand because she had really hard
and he said that the reason he killed her was
because she fought and he was scared she was gonna
tell her mom, which is better fucking bullshit. So his

(45:10):
trials in May of nineteen ninety seven, he sound guilty
of purposeful or knowing murder, two counts of felony murder,
first degree kidnapping, and four counts of first degree aggravated assaults,
and June he sentenced to death and in his statement says, Okay,
I'm sorry for what I've done to Megan. I pray
for her and her family every day. I have to

(45:31):
live with this and what I've done for the rest
of my life.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, it's very sad for you, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I asked you to let me live so I someday
can understand and have an understanding why something like this
could happen.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Thanks. Wait did he say thanks at the end? He
said thanks at the end?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Sorry? Wait? His name is Stephen, right, I'm so sorry.
Are you kidding hilarious? No, I swear I just said
I just added Stephen's Wow, that's so fucking funny. So
I'm sorry. No, my full apology. Now, his name is Jesse.
To Jesse, I'm so sorry, Steven. This is not Stephen's episode.

(46:16):
Oh no, okay, so okay, we know, so we can
just do a narcissism of the checklist of like, all
of a sudden, a young girl's rape and murder that
he committed is sad for him, and I hope someday
I can understand why this happened, not why I did
this even would be better, are we right, because it's

(46:37):
it's such a mystery. Yeah, why did this happen? The
thing I did? Yeah, fully with my eyes open, knowing
full well what was happening in the anti right, And
this is when he starts to say that his dad
had sexually abused him and was you know, which is
like horrifying if it's true, But it doesn't mean so
many people like this happens to.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
People and they don't go on to do these horrible things.
They become better people, or they don't become better people,
but they don't fucking molest children, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yes, Also, I'm thinking what you're with them? Nanda's ninety four,
ninety three something like that. I mean, I'm just wondering if, like,
because did you say this was ninety two before or
after he went to people when he made that claim, Oh,
that was like ninety seven. I mean, I'm just saying
that when those things get into like the popular culture.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Here's something to say, yeah, like this is working. Yeah,
that kind of thing. Yeah, totally that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean could have happened, not just saying that. Suddenly
it's like this beat starts, starts to become a rationale.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, like try this, you should try this defense. Oh Steven,
oh my god. Okay, No, his name is Elvis. Uh
so okay, So here's the positive on this horrifying story.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, this is fucking rotten. I know.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
So Michelle's parents, Richard and Mariene Kenka, go on a
fucking crusade to change the law. They didn't mandatory community
notification of sex offenders.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Megan's law.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Megan's fucking law. Ah, this is Megan's law, which I
thought we should all know where it came from.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yes, we should.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
It's important. This is why it's not just some I
didn't tell this horrifying child story, child murder story, which
I would do. It's not fucking arguing that I'm better
than that, but this is an important one. And I
was I was studying some other murder today to do,
and that came up and I was like, Jesus, I
don't know enough about this.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
That's I love that.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
That's how I studied this. And I was like, this
is my murder. This is important, and the next one
that I found can come up because it has to
do with Megan's Law later.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
But let's get to this, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
So Richard and Marine badass motherfuckers go on a crusade
to change the law. They demand mandatory community notification of
sex defice sex offenders, which is the thing of like
when a sex offender moves into your community, they have
to notify the whole community that there's a sex office
sex offender living there. They can't live in near schools
or daycares all the shit.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Can't fucking joined the Big Brothers.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
No, you motherfuckers. So they say that the registrations the
registration requires. So there was the Jacob Weddling Act originally,
which is we all know the Jacob Wetterling story, which
was horrifying, but that only required sex offenders to register
with local law enforcement, so they didn't have to tell
anyone about it except the law enforcement. And they said

(49:24):
that Megan would still be alive if they had known
the criminal history of the stude. So in nineteen ninety four,
New Jersey in ex law and in ninety six President
Bill Clinton signed a federal Megan's Law and it's basically
amending the Jacob Wetterling Act. It sets guidelines for the
state statutes requiring states to notify the public, although officials

(49:47):
could decide how much public notification is necessary based on
the level of danger posed by the offender, which is
kind of troubling. So there's three tiers and based on
those tiers they have to tell a certain amount of people,
which sucks. And I can tell you what's in each
here if you want, but I don't know if it's
even fucking worth it.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Like, do you have to list acts that are super upsetting?
Pretty much?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, I mean it's it's all troubling, and it's that,
you know, there's this whole argument now about about First
Amendment rights and all this shit, and like, you know,
freedom of it's just like it's an ugly thing where
you're just like, don't molest children. You lose your fucking
rights when you are a sex offender. Yeah, you lose

(50:28):
your rights and you can't fucking argue your freedom of
whatever the shit.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I mean they want them to do speech, right, Is
it like the freedom of privacy? Yes, that's fun, yeah,
which is like, well, you you don't get to have it.
You lost that you don't get to have it. No,
also tell your friends in your fucking apartment you're sharing
with all the other sex offenders, to let them know
if that's something they're going to continue to do if
they get caught prosecuted for it, Yeah, they're not going

(50:53):
to be able to have that privacy now to be
a child rapist anymore. I'm sorry, it's not like.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So Tier one is someone who's convicted and serve less
than one year of imprisonment for something like it's for
something light like receiving or possessing child porn. That's Tier one,
Like that's a light fucking thing for them, that you
don't have to tell everyone. Or sexual assault against an
adult that involved sexual contact but not completed or tempted

(51:20):
sexual assault, So they try to fucking rape an adult
but didn't fucking go through with it. They're not a
sex they are not they're not scary.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
They don't have to come and knock on your door
and say I did this.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Nope, Okay, so you don't know that there's a rapist,
attempted rapist.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Attempted rapist, because this is the classic difference between attempted
and succeeded fuck you well, because all it is is
just going to lead to now they're going to succeed.
It's that so this time they're going to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
They're going to kill them so they can't be identified
and brought to try them, right, Because the second tier
is when people who have had one conviction get another one,
so they're not gonna want that other one. They're going
to kill their victim instead of letting them live a
bunch of other shits.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Tier three is just like you.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Don't want to fucking meet one of these motherfuckers ever anyways.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And are those the people knocking on your door? I
don't know if.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
That's actually a thing. Okay, I don't know if they
do that.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I'm just thinking of that part in the big about Zeus,
not the people gets punched in the face. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
No, I think that the cops or like the they
have to hand out.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Flyers door to door.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
But there's this crazy thing too, or you're not allowed
to tell anyone about the flyer you got, so we
get fucking we don't have freedom of speech to tell
our friends that there's a fucking child blaster living in
your neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
What yeah, how is that.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I don't know, And let me say that this is
from mom. You can leave it on the coffee table
and point to it.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I'm saying. And also fuck tiptap.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Also this is from a too an episode of sixty
sixty and sixty minutes in two thousand, so I could
be could have changed by then.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Oh yeah, I didn't do my research. So keep up
with every goddamn law they I'm.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Sorry, I'm a busy woman murdering sex offenders. So yeah,
so Megan's law. Sex offenders they're required to register with
local police when.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
They're moving into a neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And it's like so amazing that they that's a huge change.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It's not huge.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Unfortunately, in two thousand and seven, the death penalty was
abolished in New Jersey. I don't want to I'm not
trying to start a fucking fight about the death penalty,
but I wish this motherfucker were dead. So so Jesse
Uh timend Acosts just is now having life in prison,
which is good.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I want them to suffer there too, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
What I mean?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I do.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, so everything is fucked. No, so it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
No, it's not. It's neither look, it's all horrible. It's
all horrible, but yeah, you're right, at least something good
came out of it, where it's like, at least there's
some progress in some way.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
And I'm you know, her parents impressed with them, and
it's amazing that they and you know, there's an interview
with her mom who was just like.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I was obsessed.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
She made the cops let her go into that room
where her daughter died, and she stopped thinking about it.
They finally fucking demolished the house and built a park
for Megan, and the mom's like, I can't go to
the park, like she's really broken. She was like I
wanted to die. And but you know, they did something
with it and have probably helped an innumerable is that

(54:29):
a word?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Enumerable? Innumerable amount of children prevention? Prevention, that's they They'll
have no idea how many people, they say, we'll never know. Yeah,
so wow, awesome Megan. I like that one. And also learning, Yeah,
learning about what that even you hear that phrase and
you don't know what it means.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Totally, I had no idea. Yeah, oh man, how you doing.
I'm pretty good to yourself. What do you what's the
thing you like this week, is there anything I'd just
like to say sorry to Stephen? You like the fact

(55:09):
that you're saying sorry to Stephen.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
No, it's separate. It's Stephen's apology corner. I just didn't apology.
It's like it's really been bad this episode between Stephen
and I. Usually it's fake. I like to do some
pretend yelling at the beginning. We have a whole thing.
And this Stephen crying is reel that fuck wrong. He
looks reel broken up. But here's the good part about it.

(55:31):
If you would see him right now, everybody at home,
he has this like an elf hat on, so if
you were crying, it's very It suits him, like it
looks good and he could use it to cover his face.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's a it's a meanie one of those things called
that you have followed that one? Yeah, yeah, okay, well
I'll go because I actually write it down this time,
so I wouldn't be like, I don't know what I like.
I like the show Flea Bag on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
What is it? I've never heard of it? Oh, well
a you would love it because it's fucking British, because
it's all re enactments.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, you know, it's like it's like the show Search
Party that we love. Yes, but it's this fucking British
chick who's too pretty for the part she's playing, which
is like a mess. She's a fucking train wreck of
a person. It's six episodes, but it's all like people
that you would know from British procedurals and she's a mess.

(56:24):
But there's this like crazy arc that happens that it's
like kind of a surprise. It's just such a beautiful,
messy show. Oh yes, And I don't fucking cry at
shows ever. I fucking started crying at the end. What
And I buried my face in Evince because I was
so embarrassed, and I.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Was like, he was just kind of I gotta see that.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
It's so you'll watch them all on one in one sitting.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
It's so good that everyone, oh, you'll love it on
you said Amazon.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It's on Amazon. It's called Fleabag. I can't figure out
how to watch TV on Amazon. And I think I
have all the things to do it. I just don't.
When I go to do it, every time, I'm like,
I'm not young, I can't do this. Have to have
twenty one year old Stephen, come over. We hate housers
and making mccastroles all these apologies. Look, I don't think

(57:15):
that you are a child murderer. I never have. I
don't know why it came out. I guess I felt
bad that I wasn't didn't receive I was confused about
your goddamn theme song. I'm sorry. It's funny, Karen.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
I love surprises. I just was confused one of the
there's a chick. There's a chick who's the main character
on this show, who is from like a British procedural
detective murder show.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
So you'll love it.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You're gonna recognize her. You're going to recognize a lot
of people that I wouldn't recognize. Okay, you will recognize her. Yes,
and breck Elman randomly isn't it?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
No way? What the fuck is Breke Alman doing it?
That's awesome. It's so weird. I thought that you were
saying her character, she's playing a girl who's from a
procedural where I'm like, that's awesome. No, but you'll love
you'll love it. Okay. It brought me a lot of
joy because it gave me feelings again. I good and
I don't have those. I like those. Yeah, listen, I

(58:13):
uh am getting it back into feelings for twenty seventeen. Yeah,
like even just trying to say I think I want
to have feelings again. Two people that would actually listen
to me. I know.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I think it's a good idea. This thing is healthy. Yeah,
I wanted to you know what I want? I had
therapy tod and I want to stop. I want to
have reality again. I mean it.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I think because I think my therapist and I did
this like this, like what is it called?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Not activity? But like, oh, like you did a I
know you know what I'm saying. What is the word?
Oh you did a you you drew weird uniforms. We
did this. We had an exercise, exercise. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I want to get my fucking memory. I want to
move if this is gone, has black mold this whole time?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
That s the reason that then you go to the
new house and then you're like you're like Bradley Cooper
in that movie where you can see everything.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, and I'm like I got to move back because
this is really overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
It's too much better the other way. It's too much
for me, Yeah, we do these.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
We do these exercises where we sit in reality, and
it makes me realize that I've been disassociating with the
world because it's easier to filter in when I think
that there's a different plane of existence and this is
all fake and virtual reality mm hmm, and that every
book I read is like more real than life. Yes,

(59:43):
are you saying yes? Like you're scared of me and
you think I'm crazy?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
No I am not.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
So we do it and it's scary and overwhelming, and
she's like, how do.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
I say yes in a way that would because that
was the realist Yes, I've said in a while, Oh okay, no,
that's all yeah, And then hear you one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
And then she's like, leave it here, though, don't go
do that because you'll have a fucking panic attack if
you do it in real life, so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
You can't stay in too long. Everybody copes in different ways.
It's like my therapist said to me one time when
I had quit, you know, don't drink anymore, quit doing
anything extra, quit and then I had quit sugar, and
I'd quit this, and I'd quit that, and she goes, well,
you got to do something because everybody needs a little
bit of oblivion. And I was like, you're fugging really

(01:00:27):
good at your job, Michelle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Everybody needs a bit of oblivion. Yeah, it's a lower
back tattoo, big butterfly underneath beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Put it in quotes, misspell oblivion. Everybody needs a little
bit of olivion. I'm oblivion. We're not gaming for perfection here.
There's no perfection happening. We don't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
We're saying feeling is in reality, feelings and pieces of reality.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
At times, and dip back out and go into your
other world because I can't. I know I have one, okay, uh,
but mine I haven't seen yet. It's I'm so excited
for the new FX series starring Tom Hardy called Taboo,
where he plays a guy that he's like on the
Secret Police Force in London in eighteen fourteen. And it

(01:01:18):
is the preview for it looks insanely beautiful. It looks
like it's shot like, it looks super real. Like my thing,
My way of disappearing from reality is going into TV
shows and going into Jane Austen movies and shit where
I'm like, it is no longer this year. We are
now back in the time where you sit in your

(01:01:39):
room and write letters. I can't see if somebody wants
to come and sit in the salon with you. I
don't do that with movies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I do with books because movies I'm like that guy
has a fucking headshot that piece of shit motherfucker, like
someone dressed that person in the wardrobe, like assistant is
so miserable, and like someone threw coffee on her today,
Like I can't why I have to make that up?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Pick keep you in that, don't do the shoe out. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Fleabag was one of the only ones I've been able
because I was able to the one I just talked about. Yeah,
I was able to identify with her. Yes so much
so it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Was so real to you that you never left. Yes,
you stayed in that real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's probably why I liked it. And search party is
like it was real. I can't do that with movies.
So and that's why when you when you as soon
as you said Tom Hardy, I was out because everything
about that sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
But he'd can't but he will take you out a pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I thought he was a I thought Tom Hardy and
whatever Hardy were the football player were the same person,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
He's just Tom Brady. Yeah, he's just like a pretty
the Tom family. Yeah he's He's insanely pretty in this though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It's like if Justin fucking Timberlake were playing him. It's true,
same thing. But let's talk about body difference. Tom Hardy
is a beefy. He's Hardy, slice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Baby, slice of what a beef mince pie? I don't
know something British the man is. I mean, he's played
a boxer like seventeen different times. A boxer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I thought you said something between a I don't know
what you said. Yeah, it was a boxer. Okay, maybe
I put a little slide on that X.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, but yeah, I know. I'm just saying he's insanely
well built. If you ever take a chance and watch
Peaky Blinders, I tried, Okay, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Like I told you know. I don't like attractive, well
built actors. I want to I want to cut them
down to size, okay, and make them feel like shit
about themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I just I can't. Uh Well, then, yeah no, Tom
Hardy vehicle is going to be good for you because
the man exudes confidence to the point of insane cockiness.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I feel bad that everything you're saying, I'm like, I
don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
It's just one of those episodes. But I will say this,
there's a lot of who cares in this. I think
there's all kinds of extra shit happening because like everything
I see, and I've only seen the trailer, so what
do I know? Sounds it sounds awesome. And he's painted
like he's through mud. He's like he's a man that

(01:04:02):
hasn't come out in other episode. He is doing all
these things where I feel like he's fighting the pretty
as hard as he possibly can, which in and of
itself might be distracted and maybe he needs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
To prove himself that he's like I'm not just a
pretty fast because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Like, yeah, I don't know that Tom Hardy's going to
be sitting around doubting himself in any way at any
fucking time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
And can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I mean, or maybe he does rightly, but he just did.
Did you see that? He made a video and it's
Tom Hardy reads you to sleep? No, uh huh. See
if you don't hate that, I'll try it. It's like, oh,
that's true. I think it's just him being insanely sexy,
but I don't. It's it's not like he's my type
sexiness wise, it's it's what I'm attracted to sexually. Is

(01:04:48):
eighteen fourteen London. I want to be there, So bring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Me the plague on a fucking silver platter and tell
me about it on a fucking on tom Parties Abs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Oh wait, can I do another one?

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Sorry? Always, this will dig us back out. I mean
that was what we were already out. Sorry, but I
mean this is just this is what I've actually experienced,
because that thing could be who knows. That's my own trailer.
That's my review of a trailer somebody, And I'm sorry,
I can't remember your name. A lovely gal on Twitter
retweeted me a rizammed tweet where he is? Did you

(01:05:27):
see that picture where he Steven knows what I'm talking about,
rimed squatting down by a personalized license plate that says
I'm sad and he's throwing up like the peace sign
and he just looks kind of like neutral. And she
just sent it to me and just said hey girl,
and I was I just wrote back to her and
said I've never been happy. Oh my god, it's the

(01:05:50):
best picture. I'm sad and he doesn't look sad at all. Also,
he is doing amazing human umanitarian work to raise money
for humanitarian work for to raise money for people in Syria.
He fucking tweets about it all the time. He has
a whole thing where it's like, send me ten dollars
and get get five people to send ten dollars, like

(01:06:11):
he's busting his ass to raise money for Syrian refugees,
and it's it just is like, well, you're super great
actor that was just nominated for a Golden Globe, and
you look so good in a fucking bow tie, and
you have a good sense of humor because you know
enough to squat next to the I'm sad license plate.
Oh and you're gonna raise Tom Hardy Ever? Fucking done?
Is it? Tom Harty? What's Tom Hardy Ever squatted next to? Yeah?

(01:06:31):
Nothing eighteen fourteen. Yeah, we'll see what he squats next
to you in this fucking show. Now I'm mad at the show.
I actually have another one. Oh yes, what if we
start doing ten each?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I have the episode of Black Mirror. Yeah, it's called
Sanjaaparo didn't see it. Oh my god, it's a lesbian
love story. I shouldn't have said that. That's a spoiler.
It is the most Just go watch Sanja Namparo. It's
like the most beautiful love story. So it's just that
shouldn't have such a good show. Charlie Booker, the guy

(01:07:04):
that writes that show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I think he wrote and directed this episode. That might
be wrong too, but I bet he did. It's such
a it's such a it's not even a Black Mirror episode.
It's like such a beautiful story that you don't see
very often on television because it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Because it's like spoiler alert because there's lots of bands.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
But it's like it's just a love story. Okay, I'll
watch it, and it's heartbreaking and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I was actually avoiding Black Mirror because when I go
to my TV escape, I just want it to be
an actual escape. So so when it's a thing like
look at how your phone is gonna murder your eyes,
it's like, I can't. I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Watch the first episode it is so it's so good,
but it's it'll make you stop using your phone over again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Good luck, good look it's so good. Bryce. What's her name?
Dallas Howard? Dallas Howard? Is she in it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I think that's her, unless it's another run Jessica Chastain.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Those are the two exactly the same.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I know it's not Jessica Sasage Chastain. I think it's
Bryce Dabas, it's Howard. It's she's so good, it's so good. Okay,
watch it, Okay, I watch it. There's shows do we
want to recommend. Let's recommend these shows.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
To you, every single show on TV. Now, we talk
about it, even though we don't know. We don't know,
we don't know who cares. We don't care. We don't care.
Stephen goes, we don't care. Keep that fucking song as
we go out. Thanks for listening, everybody. You better fucking
cue that song and swear to gout. Steven, do it

(01:08:35):
drive your thing. Thanks for listening. We love you guys,
Thank you for all your interaction with us, your angel babies.
We were at my favorite murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I can't like follow us on ship and like go
to things and be our lives. Yeah, we love you
and stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Elvis, you want to cookie cookie. Yeah it is ooky, Elvis. Elvis.
My answer your goddamn cookie. There we go, play us out,
plays out, Stephen Bye, sing along, Careen, I can't do it.

(01:09:14):
Elvis is singing alone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Oh yeah, Elvis sing it, Elvis sing it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Cooky Cookie Cookie, here's Cookie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Everyone who's trying to fall asleep listening to this episode
is like, fuck you Elvis about cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
We did last episode here, bye bye. I should get
my address now