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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Stephen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes, oh my god, it feels like calder Guys Part
four or something.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It has a Duran Duran quality too as well.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, yes, see them.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Look we're mothers and we're really proud of you. That
was great. Nice. Now what setting was that on Nova?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's amazing what you can do with that.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, it was so each time it's been like a different,
like drum setting on the cassio.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
The first one was samba.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I really liked that one. I really thought that was beautiful.
It was like haunting, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Was it a conscious choice to pull your own vocals
out and just let it be an instrumental?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
I don't know. I just wanted some withshrom glock and
spiel in it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I want to block around.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, I gotta pull up that glock every once in
a while. That was gorgeous. It's really good. Yeah, Karen,
I like, do you ever get like I wrote that song?

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I get really pissed, but then I go through all
these other emotions.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Like hungry entirely tire, angry, shut down entirely shut down. Yeah,
like oh there, what is there's a dog over there? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Distracted? Distracted is the final stage of grief.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Distracted by dogs as a special.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, I love this idea that Stephen's reconnoitering the theme song,
because we're probably probably all a tiny bit fifty too,
right we've heard some time. Oh yeah, I mean it's
you know, we need a refresher.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like the idea, and it's a fun like, yeah, reconnoitering,
we have to reconnoiter. I've never heard that is really Kiddish.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's a it's my My Irish grandmother used.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
To say it. Sayyidish Yiddish words. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, she was fluent in saying Yiddish worts every once
in a while.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Do you know what's funny.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I actually just thought of this the other day because
we were somebody's telling a story about mates.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
My grandmother was a maid.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
She came to this country and she was like seventeen and
she was a maid in sarahtis Go until she got married.
A maid sing for like fifteen years. And one of
the places that she worked and no, it's not gonna
be scary, but it's just she worked for a family
that lived in Seacliff, which is like the ritziest part

(03:17):
of San Francisco. You might know like, nobody knows that
it's there, but I don't know that you know what
it is. When you're driving over the Golden Gate Bridge
to go to San Francisco, the left hand side is
the marina and Fisherman's Wharf and all that stuff. The
right hand side looks like a forest, but that's actually mansions.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And now I did not know.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
That it's hidden mansions. And so my grandmother was a
maid for a family. Well she just called them the Jews,
and she would always say, I think the Jews are nice.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I worked for nice Jews, but there.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Was you and I came together. I know we're like,
I think the Jews are nice.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think she cracked the door open of in my
mind my podcast with a nice Jew. Grandma said, I
think you'd be proud, but that we're still in cahoots
with nice.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jewes and they're still nice juice.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
They're still out there. What year was that, like the
fucking thirties.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think, yeah, they didn't Nobody liked us back then.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, nobody liked anybody. Nobody liked the Irish. Nope.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Ever, when there were signs that they don't hire the
Irish in every store, I thought that the two of
us were a fucking plague on humanity, and you know what,
they can suck it? Am I wrong? I mean, were
they wrong?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Or were they wrong?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean, who's on top now with the podcast? Me
and you? Grandma? Check it out, Grandma, let me sell
you something. She'd be like, I don't like all the talking.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You called her vulgar. Yeah, she would actually be insanely
passed about the f the f's, all those f's.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Oh, the French is what you're saying. She doesn't like
when I speak French because she doesn't like the French.
Pull it, Stephen, pull it even. Take all that out.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Welcome to my favorite murder. That's a bad start in
terms of the racist murder. That Irish person is Karen Kilgara,
and that Jewish.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Person is Georgia Yale hard Stark. That's the fastest Jewish
name I could think.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's called.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's Georgia Los Angeles City College drop out hard Stark
because actually.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Would be more accurate. I didn't go to Yale.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
I meant the Jewish name Yale y a E l Oh.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, like ya l Oh? Is that how you pronounced?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Like the gorgeous chick from oranges and new Black. Yeah,
which one that's her name, the one who's like one
me and so and so we're going to get married.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, she is.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Her first name's Yale, yeah, l And she was in
an episode of the show called ah even help me
out here? Dead Beat? Okay, that's the show called dead
Beat about a dude who's a drug dealer in Manhattan.
And there's this special episode that's like the dog episode
and it makes no sense. It's on HBO, I think,

(06:11):
and the people who wrote it were like, this is
this episode and sent it to HBO and they're like,
you can't give us any notes on it, like they
were heard, which you know is like unheard of, Like
you they're just like, no notes, and it is one
of the most gorgeous you know, can you find out
what the name of the episode?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Like, it's one of the.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Most gorgeous episodes of television.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is this a new TV show called Deadbeat?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's new she Yeah, I think it's first season, but
it's kind of a show. The episode is just in
the perspective of this dog and yeah, Elle is the
dog walker and you're just gonna fall in love with her,
like she's so anyway, what we're talking about this this
is a murder podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's yeah, we're in the inter but it's good to
know it's pronounced yeah Elle. That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I could be yeah wrong about that?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Oh Yeusially, honestly, let's see, should we update anything. Well,
this just happened on Twitter as we were like in
between one one recording and another. I looked down at
my Twitter and somebody had written have you heard about
the New Hampshire murder New Hampshire Murder Castle?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You guys have to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
So I immediately send back a message saying, what are
you talking about? Non caps, because I was like, you,
there's another murder castle, Like how do I not know
about this? And then he and then he wrote back, yeah,
HH Holmes, that's Chicago. But then he started laughing and
was like, oh my god, you're right. But apparently HH

(07:41):
Holmes is from New Hampshire. He was probably just either
flipped it or was at the beginning of the story.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
He was at the beginning of the book about HH Holmes.
That's actually one of the funniest ones that people ask
us about, like if we know do we know HH Holmes?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And it's like that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
That one is just like it's like asking us if
you know about Ted Bundy?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, or have you ever been a McDonald It's like, yeah, yeah,
I really.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Knees and chicken. They're filet of fish, not to be.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
You know, yeah, anything about it except for how do
you the guy built a murder castle? You gotta know
if you're even slightly interested in true crime.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's like Leonardo DiCaprio is even thought about as a
main character in this movie, which he is, like, we've probably.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Heard about it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I would say, who do you think would like Ted Bundy?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Well, Greg Kennear pops to mind. Oh my god, thank you,
thank you you come up with that? I did just now.
I've never thought about that before.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was like, I can't think of anyone that is
perfect because he's kind of got dead eyes and he
kind of.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Is charmed, Like he's not hot enough to be like
hot charming, but he's like charming enough to be like
hot because he's charming.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You trust that face.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, we just have to dye the hair and he
could become a little like eyebrows need to get a
little more pointed.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, he has to get a little more sinister and
probably a little skinnier. Yeah, but that guy in like
a cablenut sweater who's like, please help me to my
Volkswagen that doesn't have a passage.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Your fucking Greg canar you're getting in there, dude, what
do you got?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, show is called High Maintenance.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
That was not even close to what I fucking David
is the one where the guys roommate was.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
A ghost Jesus from what.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh my god, I've really good Okay, High Maintenance.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
My man, this is what we're trying to say.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yes in the episode is called Grandpa, and it says
when Chason is sensitive yet fun loving dog Gatsby moved
from the suburban Midwest to Queens culture, shock takes its tool.
Yeah that's until they cross paths with Beth, a cute,
whimsical dog watch.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah yeah but she But this episode has nothing to
do with the season. It's like, the whole show is
about this dude, Hi maintenance who sells pot on his bike,
and then there's this random dog episode and he's like,
the guy's in it, but he's not. The episode isn't
about him, and it's just such a gorgeous Listen, everyone

(09:56):
has been fucking commenting and being like, thank you for
recommending Flea Bag. It was amazing, so fucking trust me
right now, please that they do. I know. That's what
I'm yelling at.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
The fucking.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Wrong, so wrong, jus and you know why, I bet
you like Flea Bag and then Deadbeat almost seems like
the beat in between high maintenance and Flea.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Bag High maintenance. I just want to know who makes
that show that they can go to HBO and say
you don't get to give us that.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
They don't care like I think that they're not. I
don't know, like someone I knew who's really cool who
makes documentaries, was friends with them, and they don't give
a ship.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Who is it?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's a husband and wife team Ben Sinclair and Catchia
leech Feld.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Huh so they're like, fuck you, dude, we're fucking good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Usually doesn't work that way, now, That's what I'm saying. No,
that's very cool, you'll cry. You know who else did that?
All of the people who would be I Belie Leave,
James Burrows, Matt Greening, everybody who said they were going
to make the Simpsons. They went to Fox and said
we'll make this, but you don't get to give us notes.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Were they?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
All they've done is the Tracy Aalman Show at that point, right, No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
James Burrows, he's like legend, right like they had basically, Yeah,
they basically said we'll make this deal with you and
all that, but.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
You just can't. They won't do that again.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
They won't un tell my favorite murder, the comedy TV
show that's also a game show, so it's called Comes Out.
And we're like, you can't tell us what to do,
and they're like, great, we're not getting give a TV show. Fine,
go ahead, thank your goddamn boat.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
We got a podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh you know what even mentioned is that this is
the first fucking episode in my new apartment.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's right, that's what we should be talking. You
start with that. And how high these ceilings are, yes,
this is cathedral s.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean you think that if they were going to
make ceilings this high, they would also not make them
fucking popcorn. But I guess I'm not an architect, so
I don't know. But however, look, you can you can
take that out, you can scrape it all. You know
how much that costs so much money? Oh, I'm just
trying to make you feel better, thank you, but I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It looks great, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
So they're so high up you can't see it.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, Yes, popcorn ceiling and Venetian blinds kill me, but
are not what are they called?

Speaker 1 (12:13):
What are those called? Yeah, they think those are like
vertical blinds, vertical fun.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Well, anyways, I hate them. But otherwise this apartment is amazing.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
This is a great department. Yeah right, yeah. And also
you just moved here. You're like, I got to get
in and guess is the.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Nice that's going place I've ever lived in my life.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's great. It's really fun. It's got a good open
floor plan. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Good.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
When the apocalypse comes around the third floor, so like
we're safe, the.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Water coming up, the people scratching at the side of
the building, you're safe.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh, it's good. All right, that's good. Oh.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I forgot to mention this last week when it mattered,
wouldn't it had any fucking all right? So these two
dudes who are who were into the podcast message justin
We're like, hey, we're super in the podcast. We're writing
and we are writers on the show The real O'Neills.
Will you guys be in an episode and Karen was like,
I have a day job and have a fucking normal life,
and I was like, I don't, I'll be on it,

(13:07):
and so I went on and was on it, and
it's it's on tonight, which is two days after.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
This is gonna hair two.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Days yeah before you will be two days.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
After in hearing this, but you can watch it online place,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So it's the It's these fucking sweet angels Josh Kirby
and John Vellis, who like they wore so we recorded
the thing and they wore my favorite murder shirts to
the fucking recording of this episode. Like there was a
ton of people on set and they every time someone
would meet me and like I was an extra on
like they didn't have to be nice to me, and
they were like, she has a pocket. Like they were

(13:44):
so nice and wonderful people. And one of them was
fucking Henry Zebrowski's college roommate, which is so insane. Anyways,
I'm on it in a fucking dance sequence and I
get my baby stolen and it's it's fun.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
You want to watch it, check it out.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Go watch Georgia the Orpheum this Saturday, that's right. That
should be exciting the La riot Fest Comedy Festival. Uh,
and we're at the Orpheum Theater.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Should put it up next week if it doesn't suck.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yes, that should be the should be the bar. I
can have a week off.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
We should try so hard on Saturday so we can
have a week off.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Actually, yes, let's try really hard because I need a
week off because work is getting insane.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You got to start filming.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
The week after. Yeah, oh god, yea, I'm gonna see
you're like twisting all the knobs.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
What do you call it?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Like, Yeah, we're gonna twist some knobs and we're gonna
push some levers up and then pull them back down.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
All that stuff, which is really hard for me. The
stuff I don't like them are letn't even chew gum
and chewing gum at the same time. The worst should
we when should like?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Let's I was thinking that we could have Guy back on,
Guy Brandhan back on who show you You're currently on?

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Young?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Uh? But what if we like have people write in
and ask their legal questions that they're curious about, like
what the fuck is this saying?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
And that thing? Like you have to write it in
that sentence then and.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Then he's like, yeah, I don't know, I don't know
what those things are. Yeah, okay, oh no, no, no,
I was just trying to make a joke.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, I think yeah, if we had something specific and
like let it through to a certain.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, good topic. Okay, we should have him back on
them because that was a good episode. No, he's great,
very good. And then it's like just kind of a fun.
It's fun to have.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's a third person, yeah, and not tell horrifying murder stories. Hey,
speaking of Hey, is there anything else you want to uh?
Correction corner, merch corner, my favorite murder shirts dot com.
We're about we're doing We're working on new designs, things

(15:54):
and stuff and it's gonna be great forever. Oh and
my favorite murder dot com for the Life I show stuff.
We have a show in Pennsylvania that we need to
sell more tickets for guys.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Oh yeah, So go onto the website and if you
live in Pennsylvania and you go on there and you
see if it's near you.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't know. Uh, but wait, you have a story
about your uber driver. Dude, I need a right shit down, dude.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh, my god, let's start over.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Let me start with this. Uh, thank you for reminding me. No,
that's why I write things on my lips.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
My therapist today, I was like, what, what's wrong with
my memory? And she was like, well, you're sleep deprived
and anxious. Those will fuck with your memory. I'm like, okay,
I feel good about it, but now I don't feel
good about it. Okay, So I was I got an
uber to go to our Cracked Podcast live show at UCB,
which I think they're going to put up soon, which

(16:51):
was so much fucking fun and Crack podcast as they're
like awesome dudes. So on my way there, like dude,
today we get picked up. I fucking first, I'm leaving
a party, and I shame Vince and Joe DeRosa for
like saying goodbye and like leaving me there to wait
for an uber. I don't know why I'm saying them,
I'm just shaming them. So I get picked up by
this dude who looks like he could murder me, but

(17:13):
he ended up being super fucking cool. He looks like
he goes, he looks like he goes outside of burning man,
you know what I mean. Like he stays nere like
he stays real real outside. Yeah, like he can't afford
tickets and he like sells drugs outside of Burning Man.
But he but like, I feel safest around those people
more than like normal people.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Those are your people. Yeah, sure, those Burning Man outside people.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah. So he's like, so what are you going to
UCB for? And like chitty chat the way I hate
ubers do. And then I was like, oh, you know,
I'm just I have his podcast and he's like, what
is it about. I'm like, oh, I murder, and you know,
I kind of like slowly he got some out of it,
and then he was like, oh, hey, uh, what's funny.

(17:56):
I grew up a couple of doors down from John
Wayne Gacy, So I was like, wait what And I
was like right around the time, He's like, uh huh.
I went to a party where my friend h had
him as a clown at our party. Wait, he was
a kid.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
He was a kid.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
His friend hired John Wayne Gacy to be a clown.
Hoo go the clown, Hoo go the clown at his
birthday party. And he said that, yeah, he like John
Wayne Gacy would come to their school and watch wrestling matches.
And I was like, well, wasn't it weird and he

(18:32):
was like, yeah, everyone knew it was weird that this
guy was into it. But he would then bring them
back to his house and his wife, and I was like, wait,
he had a wife. He's like yeah, yeah, he would
bring them down and then what you've told me before
is how he would be like, let's have this wrestling thing.
I'm going to put you on handcuffs.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, he knew.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
He knew all that because that happened to people in
his town. And his wife would just be like, oh,
he brought these kids down with him and they never
came back up whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, that's the wife that eventually left him because you
just that kept happening and she's just like this is
so weird.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
She got like calling the cops. She was just like
she didn't know what was going on down there. It
was just kind of like it's moist someone with not
not like knowing what's going on.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Oh yeah, it was the seventies. I think people did
that all the time in their marriage. Is like we're
going to go have man time and our man cave
downstairs and she's like, okay, I'm going to bed.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But with children, like if she was suspicious enough to
leave him, she should have told the cops of her suspicions.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, I can't speak to this at all. I don't
know anyways.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So yeah, like on my way to the you know
what I mean, Like, should have not married him to be,
I even married a clown.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Look listen, click and listen. Look, learn the handcuffs alone,
get out of there.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Like no the going to wrestling matches and having kids
over for wrestling alone, like I've been started doing that.
I'd be like, well, this isn't gonna this will not stand.
You're going to prison.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You'd be like one hand on the hip.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Hey, listen, mister, yeah, goodbye, nine one one. On the
other hand, well that's awesome. I mean, that's the magic
of getting into just anyone's car.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Try it, everyone, give it a shot. That's why we
have this podcast. It's gonna be get into people's cars.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
It was kind of funny though, because on my way,
of course, Georgia got there before me because I was
late and on my way I was texting like I'm
on my way here whatever, and then Georgia Tech's my
Uber driver used to live across the street from John
Wayne Gacy and then I was like, you are lying,
and I would just all my responses were accusing her
to be like I make shit up all the time.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I just wouldn't accept it. This is not the truth.
And I was like, I'm not fucking kidding.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
The other thing I was going to say is and
I want to say that I was trying to look
up the name, but I realized I was being rid
to you, so I just put my phone down. But
I want to say her name is Marjorie. I don't
think that's right though. But we have a person who
listens to our podcast and loves it and also who
comes to mine in April's Improv Labs show every month,

(21:01):
which we really appreciate because God knows, you don't want
an empty room at the Mprov Lab when you're trying
to do a comedy show.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Every first Wednesday of every month.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
It's the second Wednesday I think of every month. Second
Wednesday every month at the Improv Rose. Yes, at ten pm.
It's called business Class. It's a real good time. But anyway,
there's a girl that I met there on our first
business Class and who was like, love the podcast, blah
blah blah, and it has come been super supportive. Well,

(21:31):
I walked in to the last show we did, and
there's like kind of an entrance way at the at
the improv where people stand around smoke and talk or whatever,
and she's just sitting at a table with her friends,
and just as I walked by, she just held out
her hand and held and handed me three decks of cards.
So I stopped and I was like, Hey, what's going on?
And then I look and they're the They're the cold

(21:52):
case cards that we were talking about on the podcast,
and she got them for us. We all got pack
and it's we got to Florida's in a Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I believe they're the cards. Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
They are the cards that had the law enforcement would
like deck of cards and playing cards that the law
enforcement would give two inmates to play cards with, but
there would also be cold cases of like murders and
all these things on each one like explaining them hoping
that one of the one of the people in prison

(22:29):
would recognize them or feel like impelled, impelled, compelled, thank you.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
In prison and compelled.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I just made those in one combined it to talk,
which was a good idea, and when you look at them,
it's kind of creepy, but then it's also fascinating, like
you just want to look at every single card. Sorry,
Stephen just hand to be her name and it is Miranda.
Same thing, Miranda.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
What did I say? Like Moranda writes Marabelle, some horrible thing.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Miranda, Thank you so much for thinking of us and
get the thing that we were so excited to even
talk about.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, no, it's super cool.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
It was basically this is like the partner item to
the the murder cards that we were the baseball cards
that we were looking at that Stephen got for us
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean, we're just gonna keep fucking compiling cards.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
We just love cards. Hallmark, that's a ship yep.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Cards. Yeah, all right, that's all our business, right, I think? So?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Has it been forty five minutes yet we got to
hit that Mark? Cut half that out? See you and
thank you're first?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
All right right, I'm gonna take it. I'm bena fucking
take it take it in. Do it, limit, love it,
limit to the limits?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Close times. Yes, what was the theme? Can you think
of the tune?

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Hold on call my mom worked there for a while. Wait,
we'll start it. Some things sound than close be it
edit something something number the one where remember the one
where it was like a girl getting ready in her
room and you would like you were watching through the
window and I ended up being like a dude cross dressing.

(24:17):
But it was like so edgy and cool. What yeah
talking about that? For Banana Republic, they use Charlotte Ruth
like they had it in between, Like I swear this
was on like America's Most Wanted like commercials.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I want to make Stephen look it up that it's
just so complicated. I mean, I can't even it was
for Closed Eye. All I can thought it was close time.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I went to see The Golden Girls Live, which is
Drew Drogie, Jackie Beat, Sam Pancake, Sherry Vine, unbelievable word
for word re enactments of shut.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I see it on Instagram, but I don't know what
it is. You have to go.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's so funny.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
I told Joe Deroso about it because he is obsessed
with the Golden Girls, and he was like so mad
that I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
But ah, Allan Scott, he has a Golden Girls podcast.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Have you met him? He's the best. Now you got
to bring him.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
But in between these scenes they go to real like
mid eighties commercials, and so there was the Shasta commercial
and I wanna puff, I wanna Shasta. There were all
these commercials.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Remember the bubble gum one with two twins, double bow,
double doublement gum. That's a statement of the great from
doublement gum.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Close.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I remember Closed Him because my mom worked for them,
and they had this this commercial where the like cute
hot model would walk out like kick her leg and
like keep walking. I was like Close Time, and so
my mom told I'm like came on crying. I was
like I was walking out of a meeting, and I
tried to do like Close Time kick like as a

(25:54):
cute joke to end in she like put my skirt
caught and her skirt was too tight and she just
pick both.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Of her lex out and fell down. Such a Georgia mood.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
So I cannot think of Close Time without my mom
kicking her fucking legs.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Close Time is like the place where we'd beg my
mom to take us and she gets shoulder pads. She
was be exhausted from work, and we'd be like I
just need one shirt, and you'd want to like shop
the whole store, and my mom would be like five
more minutes and like going crazy.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Sheep hangers and these like sad metal fucking racks.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
And nothing ever fit me.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
It was probably small where I'd be like, I want
these tiny pants, but I couldn't wear anything for us.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
That was Mimi's cafe, and my mom would order a
fucking glass of wine from the poor fucking hostess who
couldn't serve wine, and just sit in the fucking waiting area, Oh,
waiting for a table. Just chug wine. Cool moms anyway,
Oh wow, where are we? What's happening? Has it been
forty five minutes yet?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Okay, We're almost there. I'm about to blow my nose
on my shirt?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Really, she usually, could you?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Actually I have a tissue? Can everyone come from that?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
There was.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I don't have a tissue. It doesn't give a fuck.
It was either my shirt or my cat that was
on my lap. Then I chose my shirt, all.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right, all right, all right, here we go. Oh alright,
so remember time and we'll take it too.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
No, not the same thing. Not the same thing. All right.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So last week I talked about Megan's.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's your serious voice.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Clearly I'm about to there's a cross eyed cat staring
at me the whole time. Megan's law talked about that, right,
So then I was like, hey, what's another one of
those that like we don't know the history of so
So January seventeenth, in nineteen ninety six, which is exactly
twenty one years ago today, So nine year old Amber

(28:11):
Hagerman is riding her bike in the parking lot of
an abandoned win Dixie in Arlington, Texas, and she's with
her five year old brother. Have you been to a
Winn Dixie? Nope, I haven't. Have you been in an
abandoned parking lot?

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Kind of but just the idea of it, it simply
would not happen like today, not since ninety five.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I feel like this, this idea of children alone in
ninety six seems like to I think that like it
took a lot of small towns a while to catch up,
right because people thought, oh no, not here, and it's
stays that stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
But like these days never never, they wouldn't they wouldn't
allow people. You wouldn't, they wouldn't allow people like children
in an abandoned parking lot. They would like someone will
call it get off right, or like you wouldn't be
able to get out.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
But also anyone passing by would call the police. If
there was two a five year old and my seven
year old riding their bikes, it would be like a
major okay, well here's why, yeah, but here's okay.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So there were about two blocks from their grandma's house.
It was broad fucking daylight, and someone drives into the
parking lot grabs Amber off of her bicycle like they
didn't even try to, like, he just grabs her and
drives her away in his black truck. There's one witness
to step forward, and he was a Neighbor's name was

(29:33):
Jim Cavell. He's a seventy eight year old retiree. Witnesses
a whole thing and calls the police right away. And
he says, she was by herself. I saw this pick up.
He pulled up, jumped out and grabbed her. When she screamed,
I figured the police. I don't know about it, so
I called them. That's so fucking Arlington, Texas, Like, well,
figure the cops should know, uh, he was nearby about

(29:57):
and so this is how he described the person that
he He was a white, Hispanic male twenty five to
forty under six feet tall, medium bill driving a late
nineteen eighties or early nineteen nineties model full size American
made black truck. And then so uh Amber's brother Ricky
goes home tells his parents what happened. They're freaking out

(30:20):
in the abandoned parking lot of the wind Dixie. There's
also a laundry law laundromat, and I guess it was
full of customers, but police thought that a lot of
them were in the country illegally, and so when the
cops fucking swarmed, they got the fuck out of there. Yeah,
and there was a truck that was similar to that

(30:42):
of the kidnappers spotted outside before she was taken outside
of the laundromat, but no one ever came forward and
said that they know who it was. And there was
a seventy five thousand dollars reward that also had the
promise that they wouldn't be deported if they came forward
with him from a but no one ever came forward,

(31:03):
which I think that they would have if they had
known something. Right, that's a lot of fucking money. There's
a huge search, and then four days later, a security
guard who's walking his dog late at night stumbles upon
the nude body of Amber. She's in a creek behind
an apartment complex, which is less than five miles from

(31:26):
the grocery store parking lot. Amber only has on a
sock on her right foot, and an autopsy reveals that
her kidnapper had kept her alive for two days and
she was beaten and sexually assaulted and then her throat
was slashed and she was down behind the apartment complex,

(31:48):
which makes you think that he lived there, or at
least knew someone who lived there and was staying in
town and had some time alone. Like, I don't think
it would be someone who actually lives there because it's
too obvious.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, like you're still at your back door, right, Yeah,
you're staying at your brother in law's apartment while he's
out of town. And yeah, So after the funeral, a
woman named Diana Simone. She's just a random woman. She's
a massage therapist and a mother, and she's from Dallas,
and she fucking calls the radio station and she's like, Hey,

(32:24):
if if you guys can alert the public to severe weather,
why the fuck can't you do the same thing for
when children are adducted. She's just like, put some shit together,
and she's.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Like, what the fuck? Yeah, wait, say her name again.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Her name is Diana Simone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
So she's a badass motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
And she says, and I wish I could do this
in a fucking Dallas accent, but I don't want to
be insulting. But she says, they're saying Amber was taken
at four o'clock in the afternoon, thrown in a pickup
truck and driven somewhere, and that nobody saw anything. And
then she says, I'm sorry, that's not possible. The problem
was not that people didn't see them, it's that they

(33:03):
didn't know what they were seeing.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So, nine months after Amber's death, radio stations and law
enforcement officials in North Texas launch what they call America's
Missing Broadcast Emergency Response.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Or AMBER alerts.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
They relay reports of kidnappings to the public, and it's
an emergency response system that the disseminates information about a
missing person, usually a child, by media broadcasting or electronic
broadway signs. As of December twenty third, twenty fifteen, there
have been eight hundred children rescued and returned, specifically because

(33:41):
of Amber Alert, But unfortunately Amber Hagerman's abduction murder has
never been solved. Oh no, I know, and her mom's
Amber's mom says, I know Amber would be very proud
of the of this. She was always another mommy to
all my children. But I also want people to remember
Amber that she had to sacrifice her life for Amber Alert.

(34:03):
So like, mom isn't like, you know, empowered and proud
of this shit. She's fucking she's it's a bittersweet for her,
you know, like why why did her daughter have to
be the fucking thmake of this which her child died
so sad. So last year was the twentieth anniversary, and
they were always like, we're going to get them, and

(34:23):
I mean it's sad. And her poor poor brother who
is five, is just like Heath. I'm sure he's a mess. Okay, Okay,
So all right, So it's never been solved. But after
I did some like sluicing the thing, I found that
the the only like connection to an actual person that

(34:44):
could possibly be involved that I found.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Was okay.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So in twenty ten, DNA identified a man that twenty
five years ago UH had kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and slit
the throat of eight year old Jennifer Shwett, and Jennifer survived. Wow,

(35:10):
and I wrote and kicked major ass at healing and
working on herself. She's made her life's mission to speak
out on behalf of victims. After her Jennifer's attack, she
lay dying in this fucking field of.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Her that's as and I survived.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yep. Have you seen her with the pink She's got
like pink carine. She's kind of like punk and goth.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
And the guy took her out of her bedroom through
the wind. App oh dude, and I know, okay.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
She I mean, this chick is like the epitome of
like here's how you get back your life?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, big time. She's amazing. Yes.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
So she was in the field at eight years old
for twelve hours before she was discovered, and in her
hospital bed she had a scribble notes to the police
and she said that her attacker said her name, his
name was Dennis, and she wrote she did this amazing
sketch like she was fucking on it and in it
she was like I knew I was gonna die and

(36:03):
I was going to get every little information, like bit
of information burned into my head. And it turns out
that the dude was a four year old welder from
North Little Rock, Arkansas. He had a wife and three kids,
and his DNA was on file because he had been
like he has a fucking rap sheet of assaulting and

(36:25):
kidnapping women.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
There's a ghost train going by my fucking new apartment.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, so he had been He had been, you know,
the normal arrested for rape and assault and only got
this many months and in one case a weekend in
prison for rape for it got you know, bargained down
to pled down to like, you know, bullshit stuff. So

(36:55):
he had never actually been really convicted of kidnapping.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
He confesses to kidnapping, raping, and trying to kill Jennifer
shoe It. Her body was. She was lying naked on
her back on top of a fire ant nest. Fourteen
hours later, she woke up covered in fire ants. She
couldn't move. She tried to scream something about the fire

(37:23):
ants that kept her alive. And I don't know, I
don't remember where it is.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I think if I'm remembering this correctly, because this is
another one that's like crazy, I survived.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
If you can see it. She's one of those people,
like you said, the way she talks about it, you're
like badass. Yeah, Like there's you know, I think something
inside of you.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
When you're losing a lot of blood, you're not supposed
to go to sleep, like, so you don't lose consciousness.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And I think they kept her awake. Oh my god, No, no,
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
You just watch her eyes survived, look up Jennifer and
whatever city in Texas.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
This is because she tells the story is chilling. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
So he gets arrested for all of this, which is
so similar, and this was in Texas and she had

(38:17):
been kidnapped from a Texas apartment, so I mean, it's
so similar. I don't think they have DNA from Amber's body,
so there's really no way to tie it together. And unfortunately,
this motherfucking dick sucker killed himself in twenty ten, but
he had confessed and she says, you chose the wrong

(38:39):
little forty five pound eight year old girl to try
and murder because for nineteen years I've thought of you
every single day and help search for you, and every
year that's past has given me more strength and drive
for when I finally would be face to face with
you as I am today. In his sentence six, she said,
but motherfucking Bradford hanged himself in his cell and uh,

(39:01):
that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And I mean, so he went to jail for that
attack he did. Oh that's good at East killed himself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So, I mean it's just such a similar an eight
year old girl that he kidnapped, Yeah, a part slit
her throat, left her for dead. This one happened to
survive in Texas, you know, in the nineties. It's just
so Amber another like person who's done a lot, but

(39:28):
at the expense of their life. Yeah, bombed, what's that
he like?

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Bombed? Yeah, Yeah, it's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
It is a bummer, but I think it's an important story. Yeah,
and it's horrifying that he was never found, Like what
the fuck?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Well, yeah, like there was.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I was really surprised that you said that because that
I know of that little girl because of Amber alerts,
and so I just completely assumed that that was a
fully like the case that came all the way around,
and that they're was a prosecution for it, and that
was part of it.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
That one in Megan's lot it's like they're more horrifying
than you would expect them to be. And uh, they've
done a lot, but it's just so heartbreaking. Yeah, and
like it's so awful, awful, but we should also know
about it. And honestly, like I when I got my
cell phone, I like turned off the Amber alert. You
can turn off the like emergency alerts on your phone,

(40:25):
and maybe want to turn my back on because.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Like do it.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I'm good, I am. I'm going to like what if
you fucking see a fucking you know.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Well, and also what's the problem, Yeah, what does it take?
It's not it's not like interfering with your life whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
And it's just they had so much information to go
on based on that track that you know, there was
a system set up they didn't find her.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, is scary.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
And I feel like someone knows their brother in law
or ex brother in law or cousin or uncle you know,
is suspicious but don't want to come forward. Yeah, Like
it's always that you know, yeah, or your other guy. Yeah,
but someone yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's a good one.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Well mine is super gross and upsetting. It's but it's
I feel like it's always a tiny bit better when
we when it's not a child murder. Yeah right, those
are the ones that just get us.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm sorry, I know, but I think they're important, of course.
I mean it's horrifying, there's no like what Yes, they're
definitely important. Like I'm apologizing because because it's like, it's hard,
it's a hard thing to talk.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
About in here.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
So this one is we have gotten so many tweets
about it and so many requests to do this one
that I was like, who the fuck is this guy
that people keep on being like, how could you not
have done this yet?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
And so I started looking into it and there are
so many It is so detailed that what I did
was tapped old.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Sarge Morris, Oh you did it? And I was like,
can you help me do research? Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Going to make any sense until the week after this episode.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I don't care. By then it's going to have caught
like wildfire. Sarch Morris were here, So that's awesome. Yeah,
So this is this is stephen A.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Morris's research. But it's such a good story and it's
super intense. It's the story of Luca Magnata.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
The Canadian. Yes, dude, dude, dude, tell me everything.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
We always think the Canadians are so chill sweet when
they were Mabel's syrup and thereic flags. Yeah, but not
this specific one who was born Eric Clinton Kirk Newman
on July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two, in Scarborough, Ontario,
when he was twenty one, don't We don't know that

(42:59):
much about us childhood. But when he was twenty one,
we know that he started stripping in a Toronto club
and appearing in low budget gay porn. So not a
glamorous life. And that was in two thousand and three
and two thousand and four he was convicted of impersonation
and fraud after he befriended a mentally incapacitated twenty one

(43:20):
year old woman, applied for credit cards in her name
and charged up ten thousand dollars in fees.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
So this guy's got some fucking straight off the twenty
one year old.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Bat Ish use issues issues.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's some serious issues, okay. I would say Narcissism was
going to be in there.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Sure at some point, sociopathies perhaps the sociops.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Let's throw them all in there. So he was before
he was.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Sentenced to nine months of community service and twelve months probation.
His lawyer actually showed the court a medical record claiming
that he had significant psychiatric issues.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I want to read those reports so bad.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I know, like details.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, like some psychologists is sitting there in a fucking
room with him, and they're like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I'm gonna underline significant.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah. This person just like try to get some money
off a person. But this motherfucker is like.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
This motherfucker is manipulating.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Mentally handicapped people to get credit cards and has like
I guess, okay, that's this is just we're laying down
a base coat.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
When you do your nails. This is the primer.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
This is like when you're making when you're making something
and you put in the what's the thing with the
you know, the carrots and the celery and the not.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
A roue is the like.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Sauce. No, you're right, listen, I have a cooking No,
I don't listen.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm from the cooking tail.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Ye okay, so then you no, wait, no, it's mere pla.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yes. A rue is the yes, so okay. The rue's
the start of something else, like a besch ma sauce.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Great, like wow, it's been a while, Uh okay, So
in two thousand and six, he legally changes his name
from Eric Clinton Newman to Luca Rocco Magnata.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
So that's a completely made up name, which I love it.
He wanted to seem Italian. You know how Italians are.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
So he applies for bankruptcy in March of two thousand
and seven, saying, uh, citing illness, lack of employment, insufficient
income to pay off his debts. Way, we'll we've all
been there. But then after the bankruptcy, his quest for
fame kicks into high gear.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Questing for fame.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
He's questing for fame in a big way. So he
wants money. He wants to live Sheila E's glamorous life.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like you and I know, like at this point, like
the fame, isn't it like what people.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Say it is? Dean cut that part out.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Famous Still popcorn ceiling, man.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You got to get that popcorn ceiling life.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
There's not r Kelly song called popcorn ceiling.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
So uh okay. So here's what he does. He auditions
for a reality show called cover Guy. Oh you can
see the opening credits.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
No no, no, I'm saying in your mind, cover Guy,
he declares in his casting video that quote.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
A lot of people tell me I'm devastatingly good looking.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You know that that shit would sell now, But like
whatever year that was, I was like, what is this shit?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
He was not chosen.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
He was a reject from cover from cover guy, What'll
break your heart more?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Then, well, this that he auditions for the reality show
Plastic Makes Perfect, Oh, flaunting his multiple hair transplants, knows job,
explaining how he wanted to get pectoral implants.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
He was rejected.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, explain my face right now. So it's just not
the fame plan is not going as.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Expected to get rejected from the bottom of the barrel, Like,
you know, is the bottom of the barrel show? You're
not good enough for a plastic surgery show?

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
So uh So, then what he started to do was
focus his efforts online.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
So he.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Twice created Wikipedia pages for himself, only to have them
taken down by the self policing community.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Imagine what was on those.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
It's Wikipedia, Imagine the self like the self policing community
is like, they let so much shit fly, and then
they're like, this fucking idiot, not this guy, not this
fucking idiot. Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Then he created the rumor on message boards that he
was dating Carla Homolka the yep, the wife of Paul
Bernardo who killed two teenagers along with raping and murdering
her own sister.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Oh god, this is how okay. I did not understand
in my mind whenever I saw people write this thing,
I thought he was paulber I think I can I
got these whole things, like, these whole things confused.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, this is exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
So this is a guy who he creates the rumor
on message boards that he is dating her, but he's
not the one who killed her sister.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, that's her husband. I thought he was. He really
did that.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Then the husband goes to jail, she I think, goes
to jail for a while, but then gets out.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
That's all right.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
And then he decides to tell people he's dating her
now that she's to get that kind of infamy. That's
the level of celebrity he's going for now. But then
he calls into a radio show to deny the rumors
that he started online. Then he visits a newsroom in Toronto. Uh,

(48:51):
and that's the first.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Time he's on mainstream press talking about it and denying it.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Oh, sorry, he said he dated her in the ninth
these not when she got out of jail.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
All right, So.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Then there's many profiles on various internet social media and
discussion forums created over several years to plant false or
unverified claims about him, and he would himself immediately dismiss
these as rumors and hoaxes, and a campaign of cyberstocking,

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according to the police, magnotas set up at least seventy
Facebook pages and twenty websites under different names.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Seventy Facebook pages.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, can you imagine how many naps?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
That is?

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I mean, how many other things could you have been doing?
How much more plastic surgery could you have gotten? In
twenty ten? This is the part where it's going to
turn and you're going to get upset. Okay, did children
get married?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Well?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Then I don't care, okay.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
In twenty ten, he posted a video called one Boy,
Two Kittens, Oh no, where he has six heated two
tabby cats using a vacuum cleaner, yeah, and a plastic bag.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
This is why I've never heard of him, and until.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
He was tracked down, he was just known as the
vacuum kitten killer.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
How does that even work?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So you put oh my god, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That was a big jump from seventy facebooks. I know.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
All that other stuff isn't working, so he keeps doing
things attempt after attempt after attempt, where like no, no,
how it is right. So then he's because he's a
sociopath because he doesn't really care and he doesn't have
any empathy.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Jesus Christ, he does that, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Okay, Okay, Now we're in twenty twelve and it is
May twenty six and a Montana lawyer named Roger Renville
sees a bizarre Internet video depicting a man.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Being stabbed and dismembered.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
He alerts US and Canadian police about this video and
they dismiss it as a fake.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
He just saw it, like where it was posted. So
it was uploaded.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It was called one Lunatic one ice Pick, and it
was uploaded to two gore sites, which were super explicit places.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
With that were just like super violent. I love that.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
This guy who's like on gore sites is like, this
is too much for me, like what you know, like
it had to be that awful.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Well, he's a lawyer, so maybe he was looking on
there for this reason. Okay, Well, because he reported it
to the police.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
So it looked really like, Oh, maybe he's like seen gore,
like real crime scenes and bodies, so he knows what
it looks like.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, that's kind of I think that's what they said.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Meanwhile, Luca Magnata has flown from Montreal to Paris, and
when he arrived in Paris he was wearing a wig.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
And a Mickey Mouse t shirt.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Super chill and then so basically that was on the
twenty six it is when he flew to Paris. Three
days later, on the twenty ninth, the residents of his
apartment building start complaining of a foul smell.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
No, never complain of a foul smell.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
So the janitor then discovers a suitcase next to a
mountain of garbage bags behind the building, and inside is
the headless torso of a man. Oh now, six pm
that same night, a package containing a human foot is
received at the Conservative Party of Canada head headquarters in Ottawa,

(52:40):
and it had been mailed from Montreal. At nine pm,
a package addressed to the Liberal Party headquarters in Ottawa
was discovered by postal employees to contain a human hand.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
So, after taking statements and finding evidence in the trash,
including a blunt instrument and papers identifying Luca Magnata.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
They and the police enter his Apartment's so.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Like he did this on purpose, like sent this shit,
like knowingly that it was his stat like gonna lead
to him on purpose.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Uh sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
No, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Never mind? No, I don't think so okay, just they don't.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
So, so police enter his apartment and it's actually a
very dark studio apartment and then they find a bloody
mattress and blood in the refrigerator and scrawled and read
ink incite a closet. Other words, if you don't like
the reflection, don't look in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
So when a rest warrant is issued for Luca Magnata,
so uh, the inn Pol adds him to the wanted
list and people in Uh he was in Paris and
he was declared an international fugitive, and uh, he's they

(54:01):
start getting you know, the cops start getting a ton
of tips that he's at a bar, he's trying to
crash a house party. He actually took the bus to Berlin.
His name was all over the papers and all over television.
And the French media nicknamed him the Butcher of Montreal
and the German media nicknamed him the Porno Killer.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
So Butcher with Montreal is way cooler. He uh much better.
Uh So he gets to.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Uh this is this is my favorite part. He gets
to in Berlin. He gets to an internet cafe. This
is about a week after all that, and the guy
that's working there, a man walks in wearing sunglasses and
makeup and says, bonjour Internet, and so the guy kind
of notices him.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
The episode is called bonjour Internet, right, and uh so.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
The guy working there.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Recognizes this man's face who walked in, but he can't
place it, and so he's looking at the guy. So
the guy goes over to a computer and you know,
rents it out, and the guy from his workstation is
looking down at the monitor that this guy is using,
and he noticed that this man who's wearing sunglasses is

(55:21):
looking at article after article about the killer in Montreal.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Oh and so then he puts it together that it's him.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So can you imagine. So basically they go up and
they're just like, you're that guy, right, He goes, you
caught me a what in the fucking fun.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, So he basically got caught because he was giggling
pictures of himself idiot.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So I feel like, you just there's nothing good that
happens in internet cafes and yeah, not anymore, you know
what I mean, Like, yeah, something's wrong.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
It's over now.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah maybe nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight, that was the
last time.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
So then on June fifth, the package containing a right
foot was delivered to Saint George's school. Another package containing
a right hand was sent to False Creek Elementary School
in Vancouver.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Both schools opened as.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Normal in the following morning, and it was confirmed that
both packages were sent from Montreal.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
But were they staggered? Like who was sending them?

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Then he was sending them all from Montreal, but they
were different places, so like Vancouver's further away. So Magnata
is arrested and then he's transferred to a Berlin prison
hospital and a psychiatrist believes that he's in a psychotic state.
So meanwhile, the police identified the Torso victim as Lynn

(56:47):
Juhnn and he's a thirty three year old Chinese computer
science student at Concordia University. It's unclear how he met
Luca Mangotta, but oh well, they they say that Magotta
had been posting men seeking men in the men's Seeking

(57:08):
Men's section of Craig's List under an alias Sad And
so basically they go back and check the video and
they see Lynn John had been had entered Luca Magnota's
apartment building, and then like the next day is when
they see the video where Luca Magnotta is taking things

(57:28):
out and putting them in the garbage can He.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Just wanted to love and be loved and like got murdered.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
That's so sad.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Yeah, uh yeah, So then he gets taken back to
Canada on a military plane and then they find Lynn
John's skull at the edge of a small lake in
uh and Grin and Grin on Park after they get
an anonymous tip, so someone may have found it. And

(57:57):
so not only does Luca magnet not to go to
trial obviously he's arrested and charged with murder, but the
police charged the website owner who posted One Lunatic whatever
the name of that video was. That guy got charged
with corrupting morals One Lunatic one ice pick why and

(58:21):
he ended up going.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Because it was real.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
But he didn't know it was real.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Well, but it's his responsibility. He probably I think probably
in watching it, like the lawyer, did you would know?

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Oh god, so is it out there?

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Like? I wonder if it's out there? I have no idea.
Did you ever watch like, what was that website? It
wasn't sick dot com, but it was something like.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
That rotten dot com. Rotten dot com.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah, did you ever click through that? Yeah? That's traveling.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah it's a bummer, but I've seen yeah, go on.
Uh So, basically he just goes.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
To court and he ends up they give him a
life sentence without the chance of parole for at least
twenty five years. And they tried to say in the
court case that he's basically that he was crazy, and

(59:22):
it doesn't work, and he gets basically the full extent
and they added on all these other charges. It was
like first degree murder, but then also committing an indignity
to a human body, publishing obscene material, criminally harassing prime ministered.
I mean all that sending stuff to government stuff made
it all, you know?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
So did they say what he had liked to how
he killed the guy? And then like was the dismemberment
after he.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Was well, it's all in the video, so it looked
like they he stabbed him to death and then dismembered it.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
He says, Christ, can you imagine if you'd like watch
that being like this is fake, and then like going
back and like, oh, you fucking watched him, right, Well,
that's why all that stuff is like why would you
want that in your head?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
It's so it's such a bummer and it's such bad vibes,
even if you're faking something like that, like what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
The fuck are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, I'll look up like crime scene photos sometimes and
then like I there's ones that are like clear they
clearly can't be fake, and I'd be like, Nope, it's fake.
It's like I have to commit, like commit to it
being fake or else I'll lose my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's good to have
those pictures in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Absolutely not. No, And it doesn't help you. It's not
like you can't imagine what it might be like. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
He also so anyway, twenty fifteen, Luca Magnaughta.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
He tried to file an appeal for the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Convictions, but it didn't It didn't work and he actually
withdrew the appeal himself. So apparently someone I don't know
if I don't know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
But I was like, cut it out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
He was like, you know what, I'm gonna drop this
whole fame thing. Maybe I'm gonna try to do something
something else. Finally, I'm just gonna I'm gonna get into Buddhism.
Uh So that's the story. Now, I understand why everybody
was so obsessed with it, because it truly is insane
and horrible and uh beyond that's gonna last.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I'm going to listen to other people now, because like
I always thought that I always I never looked that
one up. Everyone does constantly want us to do that one,
and I always thought it was connected. I got that
one and that horrible couple kind of yeah, I always
kind of thought it was the same thing. It's like,
I don't need to know about this one. Like, yeah,
we know it's boring. You know, they fucked her sister

(01:01:37):
and they killed her and like now she's out and
it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
But like, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Realize that's boring. No, it's just one of the ones
that everyone knows about, you know what I mean. So
I didn't realize I have never heard any of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
I know me, I didn't know it was that like
crazy detailed. I didn't know he was like the idea
that you're sending body parts to the Prime Minister or
to like grammar schools all those things where, and then
knowing his whole thing of wanting to be famous, like you're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
That needy that you would like he didn't murder someone
because he wanted to murder someone. He murdered someone so
he could put the video up online.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
And that's what it means. It does seem like that,
which is so gross.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
I mean, like I guess it's it must be an
element of most killers, the thought that like everyone will
know me, or I'll have this power, sure they'll all
become renowned or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Whatever, like most of those people do. Like like, uh,
what are the killings called when like you're out in
public and you kill a bunch of people like a
mass murder, like they do mass murders to do that,
not what he did, which is like so personal and creepy.
And then it's almost like forcing other people to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Well well, and also it's it almost seems like just
this lame modern version where it's just like, oh, I'll
put it on YouTube, you know what I mean. I'll
put my super gross, you know, serious mental problem on
YouTube and get a bunch of hits and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Like force other people to have to deal with that
having seen that for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Yeah, but I mean that's the thing. If you're looking,
you're gonna find it. Like you have to remember if
you're if you're on a horrible gore site, then that's
what you might look at, and then you're gonna have
that in your head.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Don't do it. As someone who.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Like can't sleep at night, it's so easy to just
kind of like click on this thing and click on
the next thing, and then suddenly you find yourself at
this like place and then suddenly you see some shit
you don't want to see, but you can't look away.
It's like not like you're like fucking typing in like
man murders another man. It's like you just like, I've
seen some shit that I didn't realize I didn't want

(01:03:41):
to see until I saw it, you know what I mean. Yeah,
And it's hard to get out of your head, But
who are you to like other people are looking at it?
Because they want to see it. It's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yeah, uh, that's amazing. That was crazy. We finally did
that one. Finally, thank you, no, thank you. Can I
tell you I forgot about this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I was we moved in this new place this weekend,
and the first day we moved in, I was walking
down this like the staircase, and this like girl with
a really cute dog walked up and she was just
like cool girl, like not cool, you know, she was
like someone I would have drinks with a cool girl,
and I could have sworn we walked by each other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
She's whispered stay sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I am serious. I think she whispered stay sexy. That's creepy,
which is so creepy. But I think I'm also I
think I'm also really paranoid.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
No, I know, I'm also really paranoid. You're definitely really paranoid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
But it sounded like she said something like that, I mean,
I guess you'll find out, so I'm gonna die.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Do you have a positive thing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Oh, that's what I thought you were doing, And then
then turned into that I thought you were doing a
pause when you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Saw that story, And that's not positive. It's not you
it's not. I realize now that it was just like
a twist aaroo at the end. My real positive thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
So I'm in this new apartment, a new apartment complex,
and uh, there's this thing that happened yesterday and it
puts two of my favorite words together as one. And
so my positive thing is jacuzie cat. Huh there's a
fucking giant black cat, and Vincent, I'm in the jacuzzi.

(01:05:31):
This fucking giant black cat strolls over to the side
of the chacuzzi and I thought I was in fucking Narnia,
like let me pet him with my wet hand, like
I just was petting him. And then he had a
collar on. I looked at the collar. His name was
fucking Guss.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
While you're sitting in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I got in the choosin was about to cry because
how happy I am that I get to be in
like this is my dream.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I can't believe this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And then this cat just fucking saunters on a name Gus,
like that's a fucking fig and he was like I
think he was an alien, Like he was kind of
like watching the perimeter, but like letting me, like only
me pat him like wet hand like a wet hand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
That's hilarious. It was like it was a dream. It
was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
That's good news about your future jacuzzie EXPERIENCESCUZI yet, what
if it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Different one next to her?

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Annabelle comes up, she's all white, Oh my god, with
one green eye and one blue eye.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Dude, Steve and I were just talking about how there's
a fucking cat at the fucking cash shelter named Cappuccino
who's white with one green eye and one fucking blue eye.
Whoa named Cappuccino. No, yes, but it's still a white
cat with a blue rain a green eye. Fucking matrix. Man,

(01:06:51):
I don't care what my therapist says about detachment fucking issues. Yeah,
this is the matrix. Oh yeah, you gotta tap in,
You just gotta tap in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
What's your well?

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
I guess I would say it was going to see
the Golden Girl's Life, which I had to go. I
went and did Jamie Lee's podcast, so I was downtown.
It was kind of far away, and I bought this ticket.
And when I went to buy the ticket for Golden
Girls Live, you usually can roll up and buy as
many tickets as you want it's like, guess one of
those scrollly things, and I could only roll up to one.

(01:07:26):
So I was like, oh whatever, I'll just if I
can only have one, all of one. So I bought
that ticket. So it turns out I bought the last ticket.
The guy told me because he was like, you're not
on this list, and he like checked it a ton
of times, and then he went on to the website
to get their list, and then he goes he watched
one girl's name disappear and my name.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Took her place, and he goes, literally bought the last ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I'm like, machell, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So I had to sit in a chair in the aisle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
He goes, here, you can, you can sit right here,
and so like everyone else's kind of you know how
it is in that room. It's like raised up and
and I was like someone's weird handicapped grandma where I
was just in a chair in the aisle, like I'll
fire it here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
So the show starts, the lights go down, and they
put up the opening screen of the Golden Girls, and
then the theme song starts and everybody starts singing the
theme song. No, everyone starts singing the theme song. Together
and it was everyone was like laughing and smiling. It
was like a very beautiful, like bonding moment in this

(01:08:28):
weird way where it was just really nice and it
was you know, it's like eighty people or something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I would please bring me next time. I would love
to go. Yeah, we should totally go. It would be
so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
But it was just like a lovely First of all,
I like a group sing, it's always very like cathartic.
But then everyone knows every word to the theme song
to the Golden Girls, and like some people really belting
it out, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
It was back to like a moment in time like
you you know, I stayed at home. I was a
kid and I watched that with my family. Yeah, totally
Friday night. That's what you did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
It was that was That's what was going on with
everybody with that whole It was really lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
They have a mug I follow Jackie beat on Instagram.
Oh I bought one of those mugs. Does it say
thank you for being a cunt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
It's all those guys dressed up as the Golden Girls,
thank you for being a cunt.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Like I can't even handle how fucking amazing that is. Yeah,
it's super good. So you know, that's a great moment.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
So what a great capper. That's our episode. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
You know Twitter, Facebook places, merch Instagram feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Here we go buy tickets. If you're in a city
where it is not sold out, we'd love to see you.
Check what those cities are on the Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
And stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Elvis want cookie, You want cookie? Okay, Bye bye