53 - Live at The Orpheum

Wake up dads, it's My Favorite Murder live from The Orpheum theater in Los Angeles! On stage, Karen and Georgia tell the sordid tales of the LA Ripper and the Greystone Mansion Murders. Then, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds from The Dollop stop by to tell their 'hometown' stories.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Oh yeah, okay, come on, ye thank you very loud.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's a little bit too love here, guy, what you said,
it's a little too loud. It was a little bit
too loud. It's a banana.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm so glad you guys didn't go to the marches
and came here instead.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Thank you. Hey, it's pretty cool that we decided to
do our live, first, huge live LA show the same
day that the revolution started. I'm all right, yeah, hi, hi,

(01:15):
it started one one like one. Dad is like, wait,
where the fuck? Yeah, get wake up dad? It started,
fucking see you. Madonna said, fuck on CNN it started.
You know. That's been the cue that we've all been
waiting for this whole time. Man, that's my Madonna. That's

(01:38):
the Madonna. I remember what it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
The actual Madonna, like the Jesus Mommy Madonna was like
fuck good.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
You woo sucks. Uh that's Karen, and that's Georgia. Okay,
by and where my favorite murder?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Stupid?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's stupid. Let's never do that again. We never introduce ourselves,
I know, we never say we're my favorite murder. That's
super lame. Okay, I'm gonna fall weird. Let's go ahead
and just take five minutes to make this our own.
So thank you guys, sol much. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All right,

(02:21):
here we go, let's do it. Okay, I guess, tell me,
I guess. Of all the signs I saw today, the
one I saw that I love the best was the
one with the picture of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Did you
see that one?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Where it was like, all you five is better listen
when a ten is talking?

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
God, that's right. Fuck dude, there's a new rating system.
And I couldn't be happier.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
There were a lot of good signs today.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think one of being like a guy was holding
up a sign that was just like I have nothing
to say because I'm sick of hearing men.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Pap come on, so many tweets and responses, call and
response bus, so many.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Things I don't Let's get deep.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Okay, Look, here's the truth. This is the dress I
wore to the New York Live Show. Some of you
may recognize it. I didn't know. Yeah, I have to
tell on my I pay attention to myself.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I might have actually might have worn this as something
and I just don't remember.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, let's want you to take a stand up and
let's take a look at it. No, you a walk,
let's both do it. No, just walk it out, Okay,
I will because look look, okay. The only reason I'm
doing this is because if my sister saw the shoes
I was wearing with this dress, she would be so

(04:00):
livid at me. She's always like, take the time, buy
a two hundred and fifty dollars shoe. You deserve, it is.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Wrong with it.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Let's like onesie twosies pick at each other one, two, three,
four d do my sister's actually.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Better?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Fives? Better listen when these tens are talking. And by
that I mean the size of my shoe. That's right.
I bought a size too big a Target because they
didn't have nines. I mean sometimes you just gotta.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
My feet are broken because when I was younger, I
was like, size six looks cuter than SI seven.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's downright ancient Chinese of you.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Hey, yeah, yeah, my actual real life sister is here.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now, don't know. Yeah, let's get a spotlight on her. Barbie,
get my head. That's right, Lee, you mother, No, hey,
she made you who you are today.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
She did a broken humana. I love you let's you
have the best kid I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Uh, well, I do have a present for you. You
can't keep sneaking presents at me. I certainly can. This
one is the best because if the last episode we
talked about, I talked about going to see Golden Girls Live,
which is the best show ever. Yes, that's right, let's

(05:31):
cheer for everything. Casita Stell Campo, Drew, jo Ji, Jackie Beach,
Erry Vine, Sampante Campo, everyone after the party, after party,
go there. Yeah, it'll be the after after party. They're closed.
We'll stand around on the party lomp. But so I
told Georgia that at the end of the last podcast.

(05:53):
Then she told me about the mug they make, and
it is a mug that has of the Golden Girls
live on it. So it's all those guys dressed up
like their characters and the Golden Girls and on the
other side of the mug, one side is that picture
and the other side it says thank you for being
a cunt, and he did not. Well, here's the thing.

(06:18):
So Georgia was like, she told me about that mug,
but I had already bought her mug at that live show.
But then had second thoughts because I was like, wait,
is she gonna think I'm passively aggressively calling her a cunt? Like, oh, here,
thanks for being a cunt. No, I don't think that deeply. Okay, good,

(06:38):
then here thanks for being a cunt. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
what if I just went, yeah, smash it? Oh my,
it's anarchy tonight, ladies and gentlemen. I am a cunt,
and I'm proud of it. Yeah, I mean too, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh how do you feel about people who bring their
babies to protest?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't give a shit about anything. The world is
about to blow up. You can fucking bring a dead
body to a protest. To show up, show up, love it,
love it. Sorry, it was a strong reaction. I haven't it.
I haven't had any protein a couple hours. I'm about
to go off. I'm doing this. Yeah, girl, it might

(07:23):
have dustinate No, because I actually in thinking I shouldn't
give it to you. I ran it through the washing machine,
I mean the dishwashing the dish.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Oh god, really, it's so thoughtful. Oh, because you're gonna
keep it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I was gonna keep it. I was going to keep
it great, thank you. I was going to keep it
and then imagine my chills when you were like, they
have this mug and I was like.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
We were a fake what it was? Oh that sounds
so weird. Well, thank you, that's so kind of you.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
We were gonna Karen was like, let's bring signs out
and I was like, what kind of And then like
we have this giant Elvis head that we were given at.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
The Chicago thing shake gives what's up? And I thought
we should say you be quiet? I thought. I think.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I was like, well, what if we write, uh, keep
your hands off my cookies, because that'd be funny.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
But I didn't. I didn't do.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It because I needed a nap, That's right.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, you know. Some people are dedicated and they craft
and they glue and glitter, and then some people got
a sleep. Some people.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Some people tell a friend who's having a meetup before
they go to the protests. Some people tell them that
they're gonna show up. They can't go to the protest
because of anxiety, but they'll drive everyone to the train station.
And then some people can't wake up before seven thirty,
and then don't do that and then just promise we'll
take me to lunch next week.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
How many people were involved in this? Yes? Because there's
were you all of them in that one? Huh? Okay,
So I'm going to lunch alone next Uh? Should we start?
It feels like we should. Don't you feel like listening
to a couple. Don't you feel like listening to a
couple of stories? Thanks all of you for being a friend. Right,

(09:18):
that's a that's for sure. Who's travel down the road?
And back of you? Who's not? Who's first? Oh? Oh
is ther Man? Okay?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Here we go? Hell I get a chill the bunk out, guys,
I am, I mean, seriously refuse what? Don't care? My
ship's here, I've gotta go. Oh well, ohoy? Okay. So

(09:59):
I decided be because we're downtown and it's such a
rich and storied past that the city has, and we're
in it, we're sitting in it right now, that I
would do an old downtown, old timey murder. Yeah, and right?
Why not? So I decided to do the murder of

(10:21):
the La Ripper. Ever heard of that guy? I know?
They're all his grandchildren. They're like, how dare you speak
of my grandpappy that way? Okay? I gotta tell me everything. Okay.
This was a guy named Otto Wilson. He was born
in Shelbyville, Indiana, graduated from high school in nineteen thirty.

(10:43):
He moved to Indianapolis. He served in the Navy in
nineteen forty one, and then he was given a medical
discharge after his wife complained to the San Diego Naval
authorities about his unnatural impulses.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's all it takes. And he wants to touch my butt. Yeah,
don't touch her butt.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
But what does he want to touch her butt with?
That makes it feel so unnatural? Like children? Stupid? Don't Well,
it turns out that before she left him, ultimately, and
I guess after she made that complaint, Uh, he had

(11:23):
cut her butt with a razor. I wasn't wrong, you
were right. No, it's kind of wrong. No, No, you're right,
her butt, your razors and children are very similar. Hey, well,
fucking I don't know. So. So there is a quote
in this article I stole. I just it was straight up,
like cut and paste plagiarism from two things that I

(11:46):
then forgot to take the actual names of the people
who wrote these articles. And that's my favorite. Uh. So
there's some there's some very flowery language that is not
my own. I'll find it and say it with an
apology and it'll be boring. But this was one of
the sentences that I love that I cut and paste

(12:08):
onto here in the orphanage in the Navy. In his
last months of drifting, women had always subtly domineered over him.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm sorry, but like, fucking let it happen, bro, what's
the problem with that?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Get into being domineered over? We know our shit. Chill
the fuck out, you know what I mean. It's kind
of hot to be domineered over sometimes, Tom. He probably
sucked a fucking and she.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Put them in the strip, but was like, can you
touch me in my like normal area?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Nope, undo the razor, turn around, yeah, fuck you man.
So it all kind of He was on a bender.
His wife left him, things were bad for several years.
He on November fifteenth, nineteen forty four. He had been
on uh he had been on a t day bender

(13:00):
at that point, and at some point in that time
he had bought himself a butcher knife. Fine, so what
did he just go into like Macy's or something kind
of drunk? You know how you do with hot dogs
at pinks, but with a butcher knife.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
You don't even need a license anymore to get a
butcher knife.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's right, you get him, Willy nilly.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
You can fucking register for one at a wedding. Yeah,
you've both done that, that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So he was at a bar and he met a
woman named Virginia Lee Griffin. It was on main Street, yes,
dangerously thanks to where we are now, but quite quite
a long time ago. Uh. She told him her name
was Virgie, and she's described as a big young woman
with lipsticksmeared too heavily on her lips. Fucking as I mean,

(13:50):
sounds familiar, though, I'm into it. Hey, Hi, she was
married but her husband was away and she liked a
good time. Who does it? So they drank together and
then they decided to go somewhere more private, and he
very gallantly held her arm as they crossed the street

(14:10):
in the rain like this not like all nails. He
has really weirdly long nails. What if it's the guy
from the Guinness Book of World Records with the longest
nails ever? And he is like, do you want to
go somewhere more private? No? I don't know what we're

(14:32):
talking about anymore. So they went to the old Barclay Hotel,
which I at that time I think was relatively new.
It wasn't I hate to shoot on someone else's writing
that I'm stealing, but I think it was pretty new
back then. So apparently they say that she was overheard

(14:52):
as saying when she walked in and and this is
the way it's written. So I'm gonna do a little
voice for it. If you don't. Here's the quote, don't
clapper than I won't want to do it, haven't you
don't you know me yet? So she looked up unsteadily
as they walked into the hotel, and she said, I

(15:13):
got my horoscope, told Wednesday's my lucky day, honey, Virginie. Also,
I'm gonna get moided today, Am I right? I mean no,
I think you're dead on it. And that's how you
know that astrology isn't real Because this doesn't prove it.
I don't know what else you need. So they registered

(15:36):
as mister and missus O. S. Wilson of Steubenville, Indiana,
and after they'd been in the room, they had a
couple of drinks from a bottle of whiskey. He brought,
she demanded more money from him. So the funny part
at that point is that they hadn't really mentioned that
she had gotten money before that. So she was a

(15:56):
sex worker or a married lady that liked to have fun.
Maybe that's the way they said it back then. Fair enough, dude,
I mean whatever, Uh get yours. So what he said
to the cops was, somehow I got sore. I socked
her and then I cut her. I was going to
dismember her body and get rid of it, but I

(16:17):
found that I couldn't do it, so I left. Oh
what a gentleman, What a fucking asshole? Uh? I got sore.
I socked her. I mean that's that's how you know
it's not from now. So he l ol. So he
punched her in the face so hard that he killed her. Right, No,

(16:37):
what you want? No, I wasn't listening. Now, that's a
better story. No, No, okay, No, he was mad that
she was like basically being kind of greedy and like nah,
you know, and he what he would do was strangle
them and they would like pass out and then he

(16:59):
would cut them and kill them. So when he left
the hotel room, he gave the maid a dollar, and
he told her not to disturb his wife. And then
later on, of course, they found the body and it
was sprawled on the bed and she had been slashed.

(17:21):
Her body had been slashed open from her throat to
her vagina, and her entrails were pulled out. It gets
worse if you want to try to really orchestrate the
reactions and kind of tighten it up and get shut
it all together.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
There's no orchestra.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Her breasts had been cut off, and an arm and
a leg they were partly severed, and the murder weapon,
a razor sharp carving knife, lay near the body. A man.
That guy was like halfway through and I was like,
I can't fucking pay. I can't do it anymore. I
fucking I'm tired. I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
How many times have we said leave the eyes and
the boobies alone.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
They won't listen. So he leaves the hotel after uh,
that fucking carnage, and he goes to the million dollar
theater to see Boris Karloff in The Walking Dead.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I don't know, it's just fun to make some references.
I don't know why, pointing at everyone.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, just you know you you love that movie and
place and thing fucking sickos. So when the movie was done,
he went to another bar, and he went and met
a woman named Lilian Johnson. Uh huh, and he took
her to the Joyce Hotel where they registered as mister

(18:49):
and missus O S. Watson, same same day. So he realized,
uh he it was the same situation where he gets
into the room and then he told the cops like, uh,
I don't know, I just got mad. I just got mad,
and I hit her and but of course she was

(19:09):
found in the exact same condition that Virgie was found in. Uh.
And but while but apparently while he he beat her up,
and then he realized that he had left his knife
at the other hotel, so he whipsy he shaved and
then and she was like, uh, unconscious on the floor.

(19:31):
He shaves, and then he takes the uh straight razor
that he just used to shave and and kills her
and starts to cut her up. Then on the way
out of this hotel, he stops by the desk clerk
and says, my wife is sleeping, please don't disturb her.
Code for I just murdered my this chick. I just
said my yeah, uh. So, witnesses from both hotels gave

(19:55):
the cops similar descriptions. They took that information, they created
a drag net all around where we are right now,
and one cop is in a bar and he sees
a man matching auto's description in a booth in deep
conversation with a brunette in a tight red dress. Oh honey,
so he was he was going to do it again?

(20:18):
He was, he was. He had lit his cigarette with
a matchbook and the matchbook said the Barclay Hotel, and
his hands had blood on them. And the cop was like,
excuse me, I'd love to speak with you for a second.
Give it a week, like chill, can't. He simply has

(20:38):
no chill, So they bring him in. He immediately confesses
to both killings. He admits his compulsion toward bloodlust, and
he told his the police that his his first wife
left him because it would creep up on her when
she was naked and slash at her buttocks with a razor.

(21:00):
Fucking fuck, I mean that's not cool.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Uh, Like, one time you're like goodbye, Like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, one time you're like, was that a mistake? Tell
me now if it was a mistake. And anytime you.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Need stitches because of your fucking husband, it's time to
get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Are unless But here's the super gross part. He told
the cops that his favorite pastime was kissing and licking
the blood away. While he apologized for his odd there's
so many other pastimes, like there's sale boarding and yeah,

(21:43):
you know how great like naps are? Yeah, naps, raccoons anything,
look up, look up like raccoons. And the encyclops are
like amazing was their own food with their little hands.
YouTube videos of ravens talking. They can talk. They talk
better than Paris. Yes, it's crazy and no one, no

(22:05):
one knows that. Everyone here is like, why are you like?
It's true? It is so true. Anyhow, Look, I'm gonna
wrap it up by saying that doctor Victor park In,
the defense psychiatrist and a member of the Los Angeles
Lunacy Commission.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's the thing that's gonna be a thing again, and
we got to bring it back, you guys, that's the
next march.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
This man testified that that auto was in a semi
automatic state and he had no feelings. Oh way up
top on that one, so fast, so fast, good?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
He was in a dream like state. He didn't realize
he was butchering a fellow human. I disagree, baby, And
basically they said he was crazy, and so then auto,
oh Steve Wilson. I didn't notice that before Otto Steve

(23:06):
Wilson was executed in the gas chamber of San Quentin
in prison in September of nineteen forty. It says right here,
but his son Otto Steve Ray Morris Junior, Oh my god,
so live today. Fuck? I noticed that Stephen would often
scrape up against my butt with sharp things. Enough of that. Okay,

(23:34):
that was awesome. Thanks, I appreciate it, guys. I didn't
write it. I just read it and interpreted it. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Okay, mine is also vintage nicecause there's a lot of
sad crimes today but not a lot of cool ones.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, it's like a bunch of shitty shit, all right,
so jesus, it wasn't real.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Do you want some daika? No? Thank you? Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Greystone Mansion, am I wrong? Also known as the Daheny
Doheeny Murders?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
People? I'm not wrong? If you're just said Doheeny Mansion?
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Never because three people were like, yes, yes, And I
was asking them, Am I Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, You're never wrong. So uh.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
The Doheit The Grayson the Greystone Mansion is a fifty
five room mansion in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
It's built in nineteen twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
At the time, it cost over four million dollars to
build and was the most expensive home in California. Whoa,
And it was also known as the Dodheiny Mansion because
it was a gift from the oil tycoon Edward Doheany
to his fucking kind of shitty son, Ned.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Why are you talking? Ned? Ned? All right? Ned might
not be a shitty but okay, you know what I'm saying.
If he's a Doheany, let's not be rude to know.
And that is a here we go. Oh oh this
is about no. Oh shit, I spoke too soon. I'm sorry.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
So Edward Johaney, the older dude comes from a poor
Irish immigrant background.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Do not point at me. I was like, remember, remember
that it was only two generations ago you did that.
I did it, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
So in and in Edward's late like in the late thirties,
which gives me hope with my life.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
He becomes he was super poor, and then he.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Like becomes a California oil tycoon. He drills, you can
do it, I could fucking do that. Like there's oil everywhere,
you can find it.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Give him there.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
So he you know, you know on like Los Cianago
when you're on your way to the airport and there
are those like dinosaurs, yeah, like oils, Like he's the
guy who fucking found those.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh, the confidential ones, yes, yes, and like the tar pits,
like that's all, that's all him. He made tarpau. He
fucking nay of the tarpa. He sunk those dinosaur bones there, huh.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
So he becomes the first successful oil well guy and
like there will be blood is like this basically him
okay uh And he makes a fucking fortune and then
he eventually owns one of the largest oil companies in
the world. And this is the nineteen twenties where everything
was cool. So his son Ned is living off the

(26:27):
money and like, you know, pretending to be a businessman.
And then in nineteen thirteen, I think he's in his
late teens early twenties, he meets a man named Hugh
Plunkett and don't fucking let it and then at the time,
Hugh is working at a gas station near the house
owned by like friends, and Hugh and Ned become good friends,

(26:50):
and Hugh starts working for the Doheny family and eventually
becomes Ned's personal secretary. Uh huh, and he travels with
him on business and they're like, fucking height of shit.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Okay, no, I get it. Med rolled up to the
gas station one day, He's like, see that gas, that's
my dad made, that washed my windows.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
According to a family friend, their relationship was more than
that of friends, and another said that they were like.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Brothers, brothers that made out all the time their ena.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
So in November nineteen twenty one, they the two of
them check into a suite in this fucking place and
then Ned takes out one hundred thousand dollars, which is
about ten million in today's money, which I fucking love
hearing the Oh everyone.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Gasped that people love money.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Ten million, Like that's like the week we could, like
we could like retire for five years off of them.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Uh dah okay.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
So Ned takes it out of his bank account and
then he and Hugh go to DC. They meet with
this dude who's the secretary of the citarium for the
Herding Administration.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
And Albert fun and the guy.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
So this dude, Albert Fall is a friend of the
older dude Dohiny, and they hand them the money and
in return, Fall gives them a promisory note and then
fucking I slept through history literally and fucking was on drugs.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, So basically there's some kind of an oily business
deal going down.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
You guys remember the words teapot Dome scandal.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
This is it. I don't fuck I know.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Uh, Okay, something happens the like Fall gives Doheeny a
bunch of shit and a bunch of oil stuff and
in exchange for the hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
So it's like super shady and shit.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
And then so Albert follows eventually charged with conspiracy to
defraud the United States as part of the teapot Dome scandal.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's not a problem anymore, apparently, give everyone money and
get fucked yourself. Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
The hearing Ned, so Ned the Sun has to testify
against his pops, and he says that, you know, he's like, no,
we didn't do anything wrong. And Ned and Hugh his
fucking boyfriend, my friend. Uh, they're implicated and okay. So

(29:13):
at the end, the dad gets acquitted kind of, and
so as Ned's loyalty, he builds him the Greystone Manor.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Okay, oh shit, all right, I forgot about that. We're back.
We're back in at the Greystone Manner. Remember the biggest
house you've ever heard of in your life? Can I
just tell you really quick? I went and saw a
play done in the Greystone manner? Yes, where you walk
around the play is Greystone Manner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because
they do a thing. I can't think, maybe it's for

(29:41):
Christmas or something, but you walk around like you're at
this party, and then the actors are around you. I
hate shit like that so much. I think it's so
embarrassing to be that close to, like an actor. Lady,
Oh I have a vest done? I was like, oh, so,
don't look at me. But anyway, Yeah, but the house
itself was lovely.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
It's amazing. No, that's fucking awesome. Okay, all right, Okay.
Then Karen Kilgarrev was.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
There, Yes, finely of it. Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
So Hughestart's going fucking crazy at this point because he's like,
I have to I'm just like a poor dude, and
I have to fucking testify against maybe my lover and
his pops and blah blah blah blah. Okay, So on
February sixteenth, nineteen twenty nine, Hugh, this is the gas station, dude.
He lets himself into the main house because he had

(30:35):
a key, and he used to hang out in this
room like it was his bedroom.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Sometimes. I'm in a belch. Really soon do it?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Okay? Uh?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
So, so Ned and Hugh they meet in this guest
bedroom and he's fucking the fuck out, apparently. And then
around eleven o'clock, Lucy, the wife of Ned, who's like
a fucking staunch Catholic, here's a shot while she's in
the living room reading magazines.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
And what is she called to be? Like? I heard
a shot? The police noor.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
The family doctor. Oh what are you gonna say, batman?
You no, no, no, I just did rich people never
call the cops. No, you called the fucking doctor. Call
your lawyer, you can, you call your anyone.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And if there's so many people, the thing has helped
me and uncle, I'm I'm not gonna name people.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
So he okay, So the doctor says to the cops
that he hears Hugh yelling at them from this like
place not to come into the room. And then there's
the second shot, and when the doctor goes in, uh,
he finds both men and the whole their whole story
is that Ned had been shot by Hugh and he
would shot himself like a murder suicide. And then I

(31:46):
wrote suspicious ship.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
I really right there.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
So okay, here's some suspicious ship. Ned's gun, the fucking
dude's gun was.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
The murder weapon.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Super weird, right, And before the police were called, the
bodies had been moved from their original position and the
body and the police weren't called until two am.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So the first shot is at eleven pm and the
fucking cops are called jam they're moving stuff around. They
were like, yeah, the fucking bodies were moved. Yeah, and
the detective and so what it looked like.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Is that that Ned was shot by Doheny in the
head and then Doheeny, who had like a lit cigarette
in his hand, had like landed on the gun after
killing himself.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Suspicious shit, right, Ok.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah, but there were powder burns on the hole in
Doheany's head, which means the gun had been less than
three inches away from his head and killed himself. Which
usually points to suicide. And there was no powder burns
on Hue, which every fucking person here is ever watching
a fucking discovery I do think knows that. Like you

(32:57):
check for powder burns, yeah, and that's who shoots the
fucking there weren't any.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Uh Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
But within hours the DA's office holds a press conference
and like, oh, there's a murder suicide and like this
poor person killed this rich person, and like close the
fucking case, no autopsies, nothing, which is like you're in
charge of the media at that point.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Okay, So here are some theories. One was that it
was a murder.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Suicide, but that Ned and Hugh had been together, and
that Ned and Hugh had been called to testify on
the bribery trials. Uh, but that Ned had been as
shured immunity and Hugh had not, and he felt betrayed,
which is true. Ned was assured immunity against his father.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
He was not. They were throwing him under the bus. Yeah,
they were going to make the poor guy take the fall.
Yeah yeah, fuck this dude for Albert fall. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
The other was that Ned and Hugh were lovers, okay,
and that they had a fight and that Lucy caught them,
the wife of uh Ned caught them and killed them herself,
which is why I shouldn't call the cops immediately. And
what supports either of the lover that they were lover
stories and that they killed each other in a lover's

(34:10):
quarrel is that they were both buried in Forest Lawn,
which is a secular cemetery. But the Dahini family were
devout Catholics, and you you don't, you can't bury someone
in a Catholic cemetery if they killed themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh yeah, that's right, because suicide is a what do
you call it? Number one sens like a number one
cardinal Catholic ness who went there? Okay? So okay?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Or that they were lovers and everyone knew it, and
so they were buried like within a few feet of
each other in this secular fucking place, all right, okay,
And so they were buried together and close by, and
so no one really he knows what why they killed
each other, or who killed who and why, but it

(35:05):
seems very suspicious. And also because of the sympathy that
they had for doheany having his son being killed, his
investigation was basically called off, which makes everyone think that
maybe the senior doheiny fucking killed both of them, oh
to get them to shut.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
The fuck up because he was getting off. Yeah was
he got off because of his kid getting murdered. So
basically anybody in that family could have murdered them. Yeah, essentially.
And Christmas was fun. I bet at their house.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Okay, So now it's a city park now, and so
everyone looks meet there tomorrow. You can go there now
and just have tours and just chilling, have a fucking picnic.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's pretty amazing. It's an amazing house.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
It's supposedly cool, beautiful, but it's also supposed to be haunted.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
So yeah, if all that happened, dude, Yeah, all right,
nice one.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Hey look those are our murders. Thanks was that it?
Are we done? Well? We now have some special guests
to bring out because as you know, yes, it's very exciting. Uh,
this is the portion of our show that we normally
do hometown murders, and so we thought it would be
fun to have our two friends are our brother podcast.

(36:26):
You might want to say from the doll up Dave
Anthony and Gary Reynolds.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yay, good over there you get over there, did you care?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
What right?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
How can you surround us?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Really take the stake?

Speaker 4 (36:52):
So ned and who's the other guy?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
What? Oh?

Speaker 6 (36:55):
C They were totally they were totally fucking because someone
came in and saw fucking and then they killed them
and then they put their clothes on and moved them around.
You that they moved them around. They're closing after murder dress.
Why else would you be moving them around?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
No, for sure, all of it. I didn't want to
say that because I'm not a fucking Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
They were totally getting it on. Okay, you've been clear.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
We all have theories days. Oh we heard you guys
have hometown murders.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
I don't have a hometown ourner, so what so you
know last time was on I did my hometown murder. So, uh,
there's a there's a murder that everybody who listens the
doll up has always been like, you have to do
this one. And I'm like, we don't do murders in.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
A couple of ways. What do you mean we don't
murder people and we don't cover them.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Oh, we've actually started murdering people.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
We'll bring you in on it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You guys need to have a team meeting. We should
have a meeting.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
It's been too long. Turns out we're not communicating. I've
been killing our fams. Okay, well we should catch up
more often.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I think you know you keep losing one fan a week.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, here's the murder. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you guys,
so my sorry, this is go ahead. I am.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I just remembered something.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
That I used to slash your buttocks.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Oh that's the scars. How dare you speak of our
secrets this way? At the orpheum? Know that you guys
did that. We did the tail and.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
All murders, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
And then we did the bagwan shweet raj niche, which
I didn't know that you guys have. Just yes, they
did it.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yeah, the same time.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Don't fucking write our coattails man, No, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
I feel we put out the Tailean on like within
hours of each other. Right, yes, so, but you guys
did it from the murder perspective, and I did. We
did it from the like fun perspective. Well yeah, I
mean the commercial tie in it was a.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You guys got sponsored a.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, yeah, they're big players too. Oh yeah, we got
a lot of swag. They're very popular company.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah. What kind of swag does tailan A?

Speaker 7 (39:10):
Oh my god. The list goes on and on. They
give you free til and all. You know, it's just
it never ends. The gel caps, oh yeah, jel caps
and the other ones, the white hard on, the dry ones,
thank you care in the dry one.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
Welcome shirts, yeah, tile and all.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
It says yeah question mark, Yeah, with four wives and
a question mark. Just they like it, just like the
expression tie.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
That is what they said in the forties.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
But we've been in a different perspective that the that
the fucking guy kept admitting to it and he didn't
do it like the guy who they thought did it.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, crazy, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Some guy out there who's still out there. That guy's
still out there. He's like staring at it. CN dude,
like he's ready to go.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Oh that guy. Do you think it's a UNI bomber? Yeah,
you could totally the universe.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I promise you. Koresh right, Nope.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Not Korsh.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is dead one hundred percent in obomber forrash. That is
why I love you. None of you are here for
fucking facts. Don't fucking come at me. I don't know
what I'm talking about. I'm embarrassed, so sorry I interrupted you.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Anyway, Crash crash didn't make it. He burned up on
a house with some Yes, angel I believe it, because.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Don't people also think of that. He is the the
San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's that's stupid, right, it's Ted Cruz.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
We're going to solve it all tonight.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, it's really we're knocking a lot down.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Sorry, Dave Tellores.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Yeah, okay, Karen knows what mine is. I should have
brought it up. I should have had on my iPad.
Ken mckilroy, Nope, that's not right, No it is. It's mckilroy.
I didn't even notice that when I was writing it.
Mce l r o y McElroy. Right, we're all on drugs.

(41:19):
Its fucking name is killing.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Should have seen that coming. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
He's born in nineteen thirty four. He was the fifteenth
of sixteen children.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Is he a rabbit?

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
The fuck.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
It was just like how caviars birthed run be free
children all of you.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Now, Oh my god, that is just like the baby
comes out and he's like, let's do it again.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Do you even like know your parents? If you're the
fifteen or sixteen.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
No, your eldest brother's like I'm called dad.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So that's a broken possy if I've ever Fuckott.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Total bp.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Uh. They lived in a four bedroom house, So let's
do some math. Yeah, that's not great.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Two people to around.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
That's exactly right, Karen, Your math is exactly right.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
He never learned to read well. He never really had
a great job. He quit school in the fifth grade.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
I wonder I never got a good job. I don't know.
Is there any facts about that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
They lived out sore outside of Skidmore, Missouri, a ton
of about four hundred and fifty people, has two two
paved streets.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
They were all of them.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
It's our town, two paved streets, no traffic lights, one
small mom and pop store, a gas station cafe.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
That's it. It's the whole deal. So uh.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
He started stealing animals. Sure, he started stealing animals before
he was eighteen years old. He bought an old sedan
and he took the back seat out and he put
plywood down. Oh and then he'd drive around a night
and steal pigs. All right, I mean, okay, Well, he

(43:16):
had a plan it's Missouri, you know, it's classic Missouri.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
For some reason. Is like when you picture like dogs
or cats, it's like, oh god, and it's like he
stole pigs, and it's like, this is funny. I like
this story.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Well, he would sell them, they would take he would
steal them and sell them to someone who wanted to
buy pigs.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
That's better than killing pigs.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Oh yeah, No, he wasn't taking them out and killing him.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
He was like, we want to buy eventually kill him
now yeah, I mean people are eating these pigs with
me at the end.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
At the end, it's the story is not great for
the pigs.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Just want to feed them peppermints and put them on YouTube.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
I'm not sure you've ever been to a farm, but
that's a great farm if they ever have.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
What that was how my pig's doing. They're all very
sick from the peppermint.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Actually, across the board they're sad.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
I mean, honest, they're not two are dead. They're not
doing well.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
They should not have adjusted all that.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
What are you feeding a peppermint?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That's why my bacon sucks.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Or is great.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
So he married for the first time at the age
of eighteen. She was sixteen. They moved briefly to Denver,
but he couldn't keep a job there, so he and
his wife moved back. He started hanging out with quote
coon hunting buddies, raccoons, you guys, earlier I was talking
about raccoons. Yeah, you were making this sound cute. They

(44:48):
are horrible monsters. That's not fair that's come into my
backyard and do this.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
So I don't know what Y tell your stories about you,
this asshole about you?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Actually, can I tell a true story? One time I
heard a noise at my back door in the middle
of the night. I was scared shitless, but I had
to go see before I got a dog, and I
to go see by myself. And so it was like
a weird tapping sound. And so I go over and
I turn on the porch light at the back, and
there was a raccoon that was that was trying to
get through the like built in cat door, like with

(45:26):
his little raccoon hands. And when I flicked on the light,
he kind of like sat up and looked at me,
and then we were just staring at each other.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yes, that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I kicked the door right like the last time. He's
leaned over like this, you know, kind of trying to
tap on the thing. And then I kicked the door,
thinking he's gonna run away, and in staid he goes
and just kind of like stood up and paused at
and that's your that's her dog, frank.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Now he fucking okay.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So I'm I'm not worthy act out at all.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I'm an act out. I'm in my backyard and I
hear all this.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
I hear all this noise, and I'm like, well, there's
raccoon's getting in the dog or cat's food, one or
the other.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
And so I go out there and I grab it
back because wreck, I know, raccoons are terrifying. I'm not
like her where I'm like, hi, raccoon, I have a bat,
to be fair. And I come out and there's a
raccoon and it comes out and it's like this in
front of me, and I'm like, what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I tapped the beat on the ground. It's like.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
His stance got wide. He's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 6 (46:31):
Yeah, he had a bat too, And I'm like.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
And I'm like, you're supposed to be scared, and he's like,
I'm not scared. You're doing his voice or he's then
and so I'm doing that.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I'm like, get out of here, fuck her.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
And then he's standing there and he's making him so big,
and then his four buddies go trucking buy like he was.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
He was fucking the He was like the distraction.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Guys could run off terrif fine.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
He's like, when there's the midnight bicycle riders and one
of them stops in the middle of the bull.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You next, motherfuckers midnight? Okay, derailed.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
So he he goes out hunting with his buddies and
they shoot. They shoot raccoons, and I assume they eat them.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
What else would you do with them? Make it delightful? Raccoon?

Speaker 6 (47:32):
But mostly what he did at night was steel cattle, horses,
and hogs. He now at a horse trailer that he
used to move stolen animals, and in this in this
part of Missouri that didn't really brand animals, so it
was super easy for him to steal. He was also
very skilled at harassing witnesses. He had an attorney who
he would retain for five thousand dollars per felony, who

(47:55):
would keep him out of uh, out of a jail UH.
And this was not a problem because you had a
lot of money. He was always living large. You had
a big roll of cash in his trucks, having a
new pigs.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Was it pig money?

Speaker 6 (48:06):
He's he's he's stealing pigs and cattle and horses and
selling other people.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
So he had that fuck you pig money.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, like the four hundred and fifty people in his
fucking town.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Wait a minute, yeah nobody how.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
You Also, someone was like, I'm gonna marry him.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
He's got it all.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
A van with pigs swown.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
One time a farmer caught him stealing toour horse. Two horses, tortoises.
Two tortoises. What do you do with my tortoises? Boy?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
They ran into my car.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
I haven't milk, I haven't milt them yet ran so well,
we can move.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
So the farmer reported it to the cops, and this
guy stole my horses and filed charges, and McElroy visited
the farmer the next day with a rifle and hit
him in the face with the butt of the gun,
and then the farmer dropped the charges.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
He was like, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I didn't I see your point. Yeah, fine, I'm on
your side now.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
When McElroy was twenty. He had a child with a
woman who is not his wife. At the same time,
he was dating a fifteen year old girl.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
What the fuck like this guy, Dude, this guy gets
so many fucking chicks.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Oh, he's a very hot prospect in town. Well he's
got the pig car.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Yeah, he smells like pig I mean him.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
This girl's named Sharon, and they had a complicated, messy
relationship and one day they were arguing and he shot
her in the neck with a shotgun.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Because my god, I don't know if you've ever dated
a fifteen year old.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
But well, sad, we're not okay. Domestic violence.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
This is not okay.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Don't fucking mary pig Steelers. No, it's not. I'm not
saying it.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
No, it's a super big warning sign if someone's a
pig stick.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Yeah for shure, Yeah, go on.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
She did not.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
Die, but she did have scars, because that'll happen. She
was okay, Yeah, she lived after getting shot.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And shell mad.

Speaker 7 (50:18):
Yeah, she had a fear of guns after it, some
irrational fear.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
And she felt like dating someone else.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
After that after that.

Speaker 6 (50:28):
Nope, she forgave him. Yeah, and he divorced his first
wife and married her.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Listen, if a girl could take a bug a bullet,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (50:41):
They had two kids. Then well yeah, not quite a
turn around. You know what love? Love is fucking awesome, stupid, crazy.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Then around nineteen sixty one, Macroy started dating a thirteen
year old girl.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
What's going on?

Speaker 6 (50:56):
What he's start You've like only instant back creepier and creepier.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
It started, and it wasn't okay. Yeah, and then now we're.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
He might just be walking down the hallway at a
junior high, you know what I mean. Yeah, he just
laying you at you.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
They'll meet you up by the jungle gym. So he's
twenty seven at this point.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, twenty seven year olds are fucking disgusting. We all
know that.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Also, at this point, he's living with his parents. Oh
my's this guy there?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Dream day?

Speaker 7 (51:36):
Yeah wait a minute, you live with your parents, smell
like pigs and shoot girls.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
You're still available? Oh you're not. I'm still in I'm stilling. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
So they have a farmhouse, so he moved Sally in
with his parents and his wife Sharon. So so it's
his girlfriend and his wife and his parents and their kids.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
What he liked.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
He liked sex.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
He was the fifteenth of sixteen.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
So Sally sally birth order. Oh you know how the
fifteenth is, I'm the fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I do this crazy show.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I'm maggeding out.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
So Sally had three kids and Sharon had two more
honey Knockawalli. Then Matt and started seeing another underage girl
named Alice in nineteen sixty four. Yeah she was twelve. No,
shut up? What shut up?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I wish the story would end that all the ladies
fucking murdered him and moved to New New York City
and then like you yeah.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
Okay, that's what I was gonna say, this is the
story of the rock but it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
That's how the rock Cats began.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
And then he met a young woman named Marcia. She
was now living there.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
And then so it's Marcia and Alice are living in
the in his parents' house with the six kids.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
And then he met twelve years eighty bunch commonality there.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Then he met twelve year old Trina jam who was
an eighth grader, and he's he seduced her.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
He didn't, Yeah, her candy and yeah, he's left.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
That's not seduction, that's not seduction.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It's not seduction.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
He put these sex he moves. He was just like,
I'm a.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
I'm a man, your girl, that's what seduction is. Yeah,
this is my big Yeah. Have you ever seen a pig?

Speaker 6 (53:45):
And then you're in your sedan on the on the
wood floor.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Uh. He's thirty seven, by the way.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Oh you point, but he looks great.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
His abs are crazy. So to have Trina moved in,
he kicks out Marsha. He's like, you're old, you're like thirteen.
So then Trina moves in, drops out of school in
the ninth grade, and is pregnant by the time she's fourteen.
But as awesome as the sounds, things weren't going the

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well because just sixteen days after the birth, Alice took
off to her parents' house. The escape lasted just hours
because Macroy came to the home with a gun and
forced the girls to come back with him. Oh, Alice,
her other friend who's there now whatever? The other one
also went with her, Maureen.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Mariene, call her Maureen. Maureen goes back.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Also brought in for sweeps, Maureene. So then he brings
them back when he beats them both. Oh good, and
made them you mean seduces, yes, uh, and made them
have sex with him, and then which I believe is

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called rape.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Yes, a right.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Uh. And then when he was done, he brought Trina
back to her parents' house uh and shot the family dog.
Can't do that here, yeah, and then uh and then
poured gas all around the house and burned it down.
So he is in fuego like, he's just fucking. As
far as being horrible, he's killing it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
He's doing very well. God Like, just fucking chill out.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Yeah, just chill.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Not a solution, George, It won't work.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
I'm not sure if someone who walked in and gone, dude, chill,
we don't know what would have happened.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
We know.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
A couple of days later, Trina went to a doctor
because you know, she had been beaten, and he was like,
you look like you've been beaten, and uh, you're very good.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Is this doctor from the city. He really knows his stuff.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Boy, your degrees are real. Huh you put the nail
on the head, duck.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
He slowly got the story of the beating out of
her and the dog shooting and the arson, and the doctor.

Speaker 7 (56:23):
Must have just been like at the end, like, all right,
every detail, give me all, get them all out now.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Six hours later, really, so the doctor contacts the social
welfare agency who put Trina and her baby into foster
care because she.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Was a child.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
And then the case was taken to the district attorney
and on the basis of Trina's testimony, Macroy is indicted
for arson, assault and rape.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
But it was not looking good.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
He was represented by defense attorney Richard Jean mcfatten, who
said Macroy is his favorite client because he always paid
cash and he always came back.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Oh wow, get your ship another What the fuck is
wrong with you, dude?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Like that's the worst.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Hey, you're back.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Who you do?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
All right?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
What you shoot a pick? Or a person?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
What you do a person? Doghouse?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
All right?

Speaker 7 (57:22):
Traffictor alright, I'm gonna buy a house boat die for
me to.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Live out a boat.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
But even with his five thousand per felony charge, the
attorney told him it would be difficult for him to
be acquitted, but Macroy would not give up. He found
the foster home where Trina was living and began making
threatening phone calls.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
He would sit out in front of the foster.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Home for hours and hours, sometimes shooting a gun into
the air.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
What he then called the Fosters a nerd.

Speaker 7 (57:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's a cartoon.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
He sounds like a card's what about? This is a Morgan?

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Did I not tell you?

Speaker 6 (58:04):
This was y seventy sam origin story. Then he called
the Foster family and said he would trade quote girl
for girl to get his child back. By this, he
meant he knew where the Foster family's biological daughter went
to school and what bush she rode. So that didn't

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go well, and the district attorney then hit him with
eight more felony child molestation charges as a relative a
result of his sexual activity with Trina. The attorney kept
using delay tactics, and after a while, Trina decided to
go back to McElroy.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I can't go through this again with you, Dave.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
He then arranged to divorce his second wife, Sharon, from
whom he'd been separated for years, and married Trina. To
get Trina's parents to agree, he threatened to kill the mother,
and the mother was like, okay, you can marry my daughter.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
We like him that sweet.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
So this solved all his legal problems because being his wife,
Trina could not be compelled to testify against him. She
also signed a statement saying she had lied about everything,
and McElroy beat the charges.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
And his wife.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
In nineteen seventy six, he shot a neighbor farmer in
the face and stomach.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
The gun was leaded with bird shot.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
The lawyer also delayed as long as possible while maclroy
intimidated the farmer, driving by his house, shining a spotlight
into his windows at night, destroying his tractors, and shooting
guns into the air. The farmer said Macroy parked outside
his home at least one hundred times and would just
sit there. At the trial, two of his raccoon hunting

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buddies said they were with him the day of the shooting,
and McElroy got off again. The pattern committing crimes then
intimidating witnesses went on for four years. Then in nineteen
eighty two of his daughters went into a town store.
So he's got two daughters, the one's like a teenager
and the other's five, and he marries one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It just can't get worse.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
So the older girl buys something, and then as they
walk out, the five year old girl grabs a couple
of little pieces of candy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Sure I did that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
I did, and the clerk was like, hey, put that
shit back, and then the girl was like, threw it
back and was mad, which is cool for a five
year old. And then a couple hours later, McElroy and
Trina showed up and McElroy was just kicking it with
a knife and Trina and the owner argued about how

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she treated he treated the daughter, and then the couple said, well,
you're band.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
From our store. You can never come back.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
So McElroy started harassing the owners and then after a
couple of months he pulled up in the back of
the store and shot the husband owner in the neck
with a shotgun, and he lived.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Everybody. This whole city is filled with people with the
most powerful necks. Titanium next, yes, what is it the
water or like that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
They their necks are bulletproof.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's so strange.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
But like cool.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Now maclroy was arrested again and then he started harassing
the store owners.

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
And he needs to stop harassing and shooting in the
neck and the air and married children.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
There's a lot of things for him to knock off.
Dude's got a dude's got a thing like this thing
thing we're being very clear. I mean taking up with
PEPSI because they were sponsoring.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Him for doing all this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Yeah, he had he had like four sponsors.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Just like, what's the extreme sports thing when you can skateboard?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
He's like X game, Like he did it all on
a little bike og X games.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
So he starts harassing the store owners and then when
he heard that the town minister had gone to visit
the store owner in the hospital because of his neck wound,
he turned his wrath on the minister and told the
minister he was going to castrate him and cut his
son to pieces in front of him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Chill.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
So the minister started carrying a gun. Yeah, it's a
good town. I liked that, just because the minister went
and visited him. He's like, well, I'm gonna cut your
kid up if you're Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
He's like, it's my job.

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
I go and I see people that are hurt me,
I'm cutting your balls off. So his lawyer's whole thing
was delay tactic. So we started the delay tactics again.
He keeps delaying the trial. Meanwhile, macelroy would sit in
the local bar and talk loudly about he was going
to how he's going to kill the store owner.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
But it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Was empty and it was like three people, and he
was talking loudly in it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I can hear you. I'm gonna kill him, dude, sick
of that guy? Right, someone should shoot him at the neck?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Okay, I will.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
So it didn't work.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
There was a trial and Macroy was convicted of second
degree assault and sentenced to two years in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
But but.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
It being Missouri, he was allowed to stay free while
he appealed a Four days later, he was back in
the local bar. Hey, how'd your conviction go?

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
I was all right, guilty, guilty, totally fucking guilty.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Here I am drinking a beer.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
Uh. And then Trina came in and handed him a
large gun. He said he was going to kill the
store owner, but having a gun was a violation of
his parole, so he was charged on the Dave's hearing
for his pro violation. The entire higher town decided they
had had enough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, I like the sound of this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
After twenty years, been fucking all their daughters.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Oh right, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
It very familiar. You know what when you when you
broke your probation?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Uh uh? Bro did the whole town show up? In
little pink cats and fucking march. Was it one of
those kind of things echoes.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Yeah, But when they got to the courthouse they found
out the lawyer had gotten them postponed for ten days. Now,
they were pissed, and they finally decided they needed to
do something and they all went to the American Legion.
I loved it in this little town. They do have
an American Legion.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Yet that in the Sam's Club.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
So they have a town meeting and they call the
sheriff and asked the sheriff to come by. The sheriff
comes by and they tell them what's going on, and
the sheriff told them that they should just start a
neighborhood watch group. Mmm, so he's not he's not very helpful.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
Meat agent McGruff.

Speaker 7 (01:05:18):
He's going to help you with this case.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
So so there's the guys's been fucking your daughters and
shooting you in the neck.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
You need like a watch group.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Have you guys made any kind of a phone tree
or anything, called each other?

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
What you do?

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
He told them not to confront McElroy, and then the
sheriff just left.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
They were there, but like they all had titanium necks.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
Yes, at this point they all have metal neck guards.
Right then, Trina and McElroy show up and went to
the bar for a drink. When the people heard this,
they all decided to go have a beer. Trina was
said to be very intimidated by all of the townspeople

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standing around while McElroy coolly finished his beer, went up
and bought a six pack and then went outside. Outside
there were three or four guys and they got their
rifles out of their trucks, and then the entire crowd
came out of the bar and followed him to his truck.
And it was said there were at the very least

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thirty five people, but probably more like sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
All standing there.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
And Trina and McElroy then got inside the truck and
he coolly lit a cigarette. And then Trina looked across
the street and saw a man aiming a rifle and
she yelled, they've got a gun, and then they shot
at him from more than one direction. McElroy was hid
once in the head and once in the neck, and
the shot.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
That head wound.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
It was the headwom you gotta shoot in the next.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
Yeah, got to legally welcome to Neckvil, motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Many other shots at the truck.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
All the shots came from different guns, and McElroy died
instantly from the gun shots.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
Right, No, from sadness, depression, about suicide, about suicide.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
It looks like he did it to himself. About five
of minos. I got it about forty five minutes later.
They called an ambulance.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Sorry, that's sarcastic.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
Actually, yeah, Unfortunately, no one saw the shooter, Yeah except Trina,
who identified him. She was in the truck, you know,
and she saw him. But the DA declined to press
charges because everyone was like, he was there too, Yeah,
he was the guy hitting him with the iron pan

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on the head. The FBI came in to investigate, but
they also could not presidenty charges because theyree in the
town was like, I don't know. He left behind ten children,
ten wonderful children, and a few wives. After his death,

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cattle and hog wrestling in the county dropped significantly. In
nineteen eighty four, Trinophile the six million dollar lawsuit against
the town and the sheriff and the mayor and the
guy who had shot him across the street. The case
was settled out of court for seventeen thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Oh tonight. So she bought a RS.

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
That's own so fully owns, fully owns a right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
So that's my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
God.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
Yeah, he was a fucking monster and they killed him.
There was nineteen eighty one and they killed them and
everyone was like, oh, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Yeah, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 7 (01:09:11):
We'll get there again, We're on away, let's kill Okay, great,
I'll get nice da nice day.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Thank you. Yeah, I can't, you know when I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
Last time I came on, I wrote a story about
a guy from my hometown who killed women. And I
can't do those stories because I feel weird as a
guy reading well, you're sexist.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Well to that point, I'll get into mine. This is
about men men killing women, right, it's the same story
as yours.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yes, it's a different interpretation, a.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Totally different take. I do it from the big angle,
so this will be fun. I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, so
ripe for uh murders. We have Ed Gaines skin ottomans
Dahmer obvious choice skin automan.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Yeah, did he make actual automan? Well, I know, I
haven't say a whole collection. She made a nipple belt.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
Yeah, he made a nipple belt, I might have taken
some creative liberties, as we all know Stephen Avery. So
this is this is another story. This is about the
North Side strangler, who is actually uh, this is some
more good detective work. So in October tenth and eleventh,
nineteen eighty six, two sex workers, Deborah Harris Tanya Miller,

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were both strangled one day apart.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Both bodies found in vacant apartments.

Speaker 7 (01:10:33):
Since they were both strangled sex workers found in empty
apartments day apart, cops thought there might be a link, so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Which shows you they're pretty good. They're surprising. Yeah, they're
not stupid.

Speaker 7 (01:10:50):
However, this was before they were collecting DNA or DNA
was shaky, so the murders went unsolved. So then June twentieth,
nineteen eighty seven, Joyce and Mims was found strangled in
a vacant apartment buy some construction workers in Milwaukee's North Side.
She was also believed to be a sex worker, had
no criminal record.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
But George mule Jones mule Jones, George mule Jones, You
mean George the Mule, George the mule Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
Now is this the nickname? Does he have a big hog?
Is he well, is this a family name? I have
a theory, but we'll get there. Okay, uh you probably
know you know him?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Okay, yes, we went to high school together.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
Yeah, but he said the probably George mule Jones, great,
rides it on a horse.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
He's my favorite stand ups.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Uh So they they charged George mule Jones with the
murder because he was friends with Mims from Cleveland and
they were still friends with Mimes and his girlfriend, who
was simply known as sugar Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Oh they're not memes. That's the coolest fun pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Well, well they're different, Mims was killed. Okay, no, they
are the same, and she should have been called sugar baby.
I shouldn't agree more, Georgia. Uh so, uh, Jones at
a criminal record because he was actually convicted.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Of murder in Mississippi. That doesn't mean anything. Oh, you
aren't lying.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
He stabbed a woman and was sentenced to five years
with a year of stab.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I think ye to your first Yeah, year of stab.
I think is like your first murder should be like
three Yeah, you know what I mean. And if you
do it again, well then all right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
You're seriously gonna piss Georgia off. And then it's no
fucking ugly up here. So I'm gonna cry him up.
He's like this fucking table. It'll be fine. I mean,
it's final.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Let me get my beers in my iPad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Uh so uh The woman that he killed was there,
was named Shamika Carter. She was killed because she made
fun of George mule Jones' inability to perform sexually.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
How about that?

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
That happens a lot with murderers, right, isn't that one
of the things, like they can't get it up and
then they killed. That's yeah, well I don't do it.
If I can't get it up, I just I just
walk away. Yes, you could you tell your friends shamefully.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
I'm like, I'm gonna watch Law and Order. Yeah, as
long as murders involved in some way.

Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
Yeah, I'm gonna watch a murder be committed instead of
committing my own, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Then I'll be back, and then I'll be back.

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
With ideas I might cut your bodocks and a new soundtrack.
Uh okay. So yeah, so he went down to that killing.
So then police thought, but the but there's still killings
going on. Oh and they in his apartment they found
a black ski mask and nine women's shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
And I have that too in my house though. Wait,
nine women's shoe and a ski mask. Yeah, that's actually
all I have in my house. Nine is a weird number.
It's a weird Yeah, there's unless there was a lady
with just one leg, not in my shoes.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yeah. So so he so he goes down for these murders.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
He goes down for this murder in particular name, Yes,
this one, right, But there's been three murders so far.
This is the third murder. Okay, yes, there's more to Oh, yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
See your papers in your hand.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Okay, I'm moving fast.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
In my story, the bad guy dies, okay, Dave, we
were there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:12):
So the idea of a serial killer was floated out
by Bill Vogel, who is a homicide unit in Wisconsin
and Milaca, Wisconsin. He told the police's chief that he
thought both women that were killed the year before were
done by the same man. He entered with a business
like attitude quote to discuss the matter, and I use
the word cereal and I got reamed out, said Vogel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Get out of here, Vogel. I don't want to hear the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Word cereal again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Talking about Cheerios season two. I'm totally kidding. I'm love
the fuck. Oh it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Ad both the doors you will all on for, you
will all unremember, nonus forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Can we get the steam whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
The gas we're talking about flash Just okay, we're gonna
knock these people out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
You're damn right. We are like the joker at Batman.

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
So yeah, So his chief was like, hey man, we
don't want people freaking out with the word cereal.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Let's just shut up about that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
And so that's the best way to handle a smart
serial killers're smart.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Let's act like it's not happening.

Speaker 7 (01:15:21):
Strangulations kept happening in nineteen ninety two, where Irene Smith
twenty five was found dead in nineteen thirty nineteen thirty two,
we're going back. He was a time jumper. I should
point that out. Time had no meaning in this one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
The year was eighteen oh four. He went too, started
a new life of murdering. He did he didn't killed
a dinosaur. Oh he's dead. So you know, basically more
people are dying more my next workers. How many more
are we're right now at about five? Karen D.

Speaker 7 (01:15:55):
Kilpatrick, thirty two, was killed in nineteen ninety four. Irene
Smith twenty five was also nineteen nine four. Both women
were strangled, both were sex workers. Police still had no
way of connecting these crimes, but there was a homicide
detective named Steve Spagnola Spignola who was set on finding
the person, and in nineteen ninety five, April twenty fourth,

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Florence McCormick's body was found in a shitty basement on
Locust Street.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
It sounds like he's killing ladies whose names start with mick.
I don't think that tracks in my stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
You just fucking solved this case.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I'm putting together the Scottish killer. Wait, he's Scottish too.
I don't know. I'm just kills.

Speaker 7 (01:16:37):
He's fucking thrown out theories. Let's put shit on the board.
Sure was there a board? I'm not sure?

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
So yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
McCormick's body was found. She was tied up on a sinker.
Hair was neat, fingernails suggested no struggle. Her socks were clean,
which I'm not sure what that means, but that was
pointed out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
The better socks were well, like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
She wasn't walking around outside or something.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
I guess they make it sound like that is like
how they know she was, but vogels over there, buggels over.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
There in the corner, just smelling her socks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I have never worn clean socks in my That's what
I was thinking. Someone buys me the clean socks. Something's wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
But like that means that when we die, people will
be like, it's a murder.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Their socks are filthy, which is just gonna be that.
I was, what, what does it filthy sock mean?

Speaker 7 (01:17:24):
I don't know. I look, that's for you guys. That's
for you guys. I'm merely a shepherd. By the way,
there's some take home stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Under your seats, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:17:35):
So Spignola didn't think that there was It was no
sexual activity.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
There was no semen on the body.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
There was no semen around the body, which he thought
was possible because sometimes, uh, the killer may masturbate near
the body, which happens because guys are just normal things,
and uh, that's a normal thing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Her body, her body was posed, it was bound.

Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
But they thought there was some level of comfortability between
the two because it seemed like there was a little
struggle for this. So they thought that like he was like, hey,
you know, let me bind you and we'll kill YANKI
And no, I don't think you threw that part out there.
Oh maybe a tell. Nineteen ninety five, two months after
the murder McCormick, Shila Ferrier was discovered six blocks away
in Titania, also a sex worker, also in an empty apartment,

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this time strangled by her own brazier. Posed crack pipes,
crack cleaner, pipe cleaners, just a lot of crack.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
A good scene. So it's a crack house. It's an
empty apartment where crack was smoked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
But pipe cleaners like for craft.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
For crack, for crack crack. Not No one's doing crafts.
People are doing crack, which can lead to crafts. But
I don't believe that that was the direct implication.

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
No, okay, Yeah, so at this point there's there were
vision boards everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
I'm glad we could do this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
At this point, there's like seven dead women, all found
in abandoned apartments and they're like strangled and they're like,
I don't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
Connect. Cops are like, man, sum's going on. Huh you hungry,
get lunch?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
You know what.

Speaker 6 (01:19:05):
I would say this was the same killer, but the
socks are different.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Yeah, these socks are filth it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:19:14):
Then they actually finally got a DNA sample.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
They didn't really know for who.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
But in August thirtieth, nineteen ninety five, there was the
body of a sixteen year old runaway named Jessica Paine
who was found with her her throat slit. How is
she found? It's a really cool story, a real meet cute.
What happened was on August thirtieth, the two young boys
went to abandoned mattress that they normally used as a

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makeshift trampoline.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Normal, however, a normal.

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
Just kids, that's just boys jumping, go find a match
to play with garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
As a kid, yeah would jump out a little.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Refuse your scamps.

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
But this day they weren't getting a bunch of bounce
like normal, and the reason was because Jessica Paine's body
was underneath it. As I said, this time there was
appearance of sexual activity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
They boys are fine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Now, the boys are fine. Yeah, they sleeping mattress.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I will sleep on the floor tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
You gotta sleep standing up again, Kyle, Yeah, I think so.
I think yeah. I sleep better standing up to h
I can only sleep if you lay under the mattress.

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
Yeah, yeah, so they there was there was Seemen president.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
They had some DNA.

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
They still couldn't connect it to anybody, but they thought
that this might be related. A guy named Richard Gwynn
was in jail. Uh he started implicating himself and two others,
this guy Sam Hadaway, Chot Oat sure.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
They told.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
Gwynn told police he was driving. He was in the
car with Hadaway, aunt and Jessica Payne. He parked in
front of an abandoned residence where they remained in his vehicle, conversing,
listening to the radio, drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Just fun car games, and Gwynn said.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
At some point Hadaway at in Pain exited the vehicle,
walked to an alley, and then Hadaway returned to the car,
followed by five minutes later. When Gwinn asked about Pain's whereabouts,
Hadaway said that they had to rob Pain, but her
pockets were empty, so just cut her throat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
That happens, That's a good thing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:16):
Hadaway confirmed Gwenn's story, providing further detail about the murder
and that Ot cut Pain's throat. Hadaway described a situation
and when he searched for her pockets he found nothing,
so he pushed her down on the mattress, pulled down
her pants.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
Pulled up her shirt, and tried to force her way in.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
But Hadaway said he didn't actually see that because he
turned away. But when he turned back around he heard
choking and gagging to see the pain's throat was cut
and the blood was gushing out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Yes, didn't. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
Okay, you're just reacting like a human. I get it,
fucking as you should.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Just bumming, you know, just bumming again.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
My guy died.

Speaker 7 (01:21:52):
But so nineteen ninety five, the police found a search
horm for Aughts home. They found two box cutters on
a knife among his possession. That was really all the
evidence that they had, but it was sentenced to life
in prison with parole available in fifty years. The main
evidence in the trial was the two box cutters, the
police said.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
But that sounds nothing like the other ones.

Speaker 7 (01:22:14):
Weird, right, So DNA evidence started being used in nineteen ninety.
Wisconsin fully came around to twenty fifteen to really collecting
DNA from every sorry what nineteen nineties where most places
started collecting a DNA base of violent criminals. Wisconsin's finished
in twenty fifteen, So just just a mere twenty five years, Yes,

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just a mere difference. Is that an issue for you, Yeah,
it's for a lot of us. Yeah, Okay, that's interesting.
So now the police felt that they had DNA that
they had found at that scene, So they now had
DNA from a number of women, the DNA from the
woman in nineteen ninety, nineteen eighty six to in ninety five,

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one in ninety seven, and the latest. There were no
more murders until April twenty seventh, two thousand and seven. Okay,
when Quithrine Stokes, twenty eight, was found strangled by city
inspectors after they were going to inspect a vacant, boarded
up residence. They found DNA at this scene, and now
police had the DNA from the two women in eighty six,
ninety seven, all that two thousand and seven, and it

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all matched to one person. But the police couldn't figure
out who it was since the DNA matched nothing in
their database. Is they knew they were dealing with someone
that had never been convicted of a violent crime before,
which is curious. So two detectives of the Milwaukee Department
Homicide Unit re examined the DNA linked to the suspect
and they believed they found him. So On September seventh,
two thousand and nine, Walter E. Ellis of Milwaukee was

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arrested at noon at a hotel by a swarm of
police officers. Ellis was booked on a temporary felony warrant
was being questioned by the police. They took a DNA
sample from his place office toothbrush, and they had a match.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
He was matched.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
He was even matched for the two murders that men
were already serving sentences for.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Oooh so awkward.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
Here's what's crazy, awkward, not good. They should have had
his DNA because it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:24:06):
From a lack of opportunities, he was convicted of a
shitload of crimes nineteen seventy eight felony, burglary, seventy nine
drug charges eighty robbery eighty one, controlled substance eighty one
again possession went intent to distribute eighty five, soliciting and
beating up two sex workers eighty seven, retail theft ninety two,
released for good behavior, ninety two, back in for violating
that good behavior ninety four, stabbing his girlfriend with a screwdriver.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Been there not the drink?

Speaker 7 (01:24:32):
Ninety five battery for choking his girlfriend, ninety seven, resisting arrest,
ninety eight, reckless industry.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
So he had a track and hold on when when
they've gotten any DNA?

Speaker 7 (01:24:39):
Well, because they collected They still collected DNA, they just.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Didn't collect it from every violent criminal. Are you having
fun with me? So the DNA was never asked for.

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
But in two thousand and one police discovered that they
actually had gotten his DNA, or at least they had
at one point. There was an issue DNA match nothing
in their system, and they know that one of two
things happened. A Ellis convinced his cellmate to submit the
DNA for him, come on, or b it was lost
in transfer to the Oshkosh police department, who said they

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never received it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Wait a second, is Oshkosh where Stephen Avery? Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Oh is that also where they make the overalls? Yes,
it's famous for two things now, which is cool?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Okay, sat, I'm not sure? Which is that the same
police department?

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
This is the same fucking police dell. It is the same.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
It's like, yeah, the same region. Very shut the fuck. Yeah,
they share a Walmart. It's real.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Fuck.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
So had they done this in the nineties like you
mean they would have stocked.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah, they would have stopped five to seven murders.

Speaker 7 (01:25:47):
Uh, they would have stopped one if they'd done it
in two thousand and one, when it was totally expected
of them. So in two thousand and eight, an appeals
court overturned OTTs conviction the guy who they said cut
the mattress murderer. Uh, they had a new trial with
new DNA evidence. Two thousand and nine they announced it
would not seek a new trial. It was freed. He
served thirteen years in prison for a murder he didn't commit.

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George mule Jones died in prison April thirtieth, twenty twelve.
But it is not too sad because he was also
a previous murderer.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
He just didn't do the one we talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Ellis was found Okay, good, good, good, Am I doing good?

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:26:24):
Ellis was found guilty of seven murders in total, but
he was thought to have been guilty of nine. He
was since the seven life sentences in twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
And here's the fucker.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
He died.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
He died in twenty thirteen, so he served two years.

Speaker 7 (01:26:38):
These murders went from nineteen eighty six to two thousand
and seven, and he was in for less than two
How old was he?

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
He was like in his fifties.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
Tell me, tell me he died painfully, like he got
shoed hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
He was in a hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
I want to point out that though even if they
had had his DNA and put it through they would
have putting it through codis and actually checking that DNA
as we know that like from the rape kits that
are not tested, that doesn't mean he would have been caught.
It's like, oh, they should have if they had tested
it and had his DNA, everything would have been fine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
Like that's not the fucking case.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
So it's like, oh, but they could have, you know,
started testing, Well, yeah, who knows that crazy?

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
Twenty five years he.

Speaker 7 (01:27:16):
Was also known as fucking lunatic. Like they everyone's like this,
how about this guy. Everyone's like he's crazy. He lives
like he lives right around every one of.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
These Let's not all assume that that these systems that
they have in place to catch people are like the
end all be all, Like it takes a lot more
than that, and so like it doesn't mean that wouldn't
like these seven women.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Wouldn't have been killed, right, you know what I mean. Yes, sorry,
that'd be a bummer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
But it's.

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
Between nineteen eighty six and two thousand and seven, forty
two prostitutes were killed in Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Only thirty one percent of those cases have been solved.
And they're great there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Shit, we're going and we'll be there in April.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Scene Yeah again, mine wrapped ups super nice.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I mean, well, first of all, it's always hard to
go last. Yeah, it's always hard to go last. But
then also that was fucking rough. Yeah no, yes, great,
talk yestrangler, that's fucked up. How do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Terrible?

Speaker 7 (01:28:18):
I really am like so shocked at how little they
give a fuck when you really find out how it's
it's like politics, but when you find out that they're
really just worried about what people think over actually doing good,
you're like, we're just fun.

Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
Well, that's something we run across from the dop all
the time. How much the FBI fucks up? Can I
can I end with a Can I end with something?
Just a personal story?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Please?

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
So my uncle I lived in California. I grew up
in Marin County. A little bit, a little bit better,
a little bit better than pedalima, but I don't know
if that, but my uncle was a huge drug dealer.
That's way better than pedalomia. And it's and at one
point he got the law was like getting down on him.

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So he decided to move to Florida to get out
of California because it was the local cops. And uh,
and I went and we went to this big going
away party and kne opened up a suitcase that was
full of just fucking cash and I was like twelve,
and I was like, that's cool, and uh, and then
he left and uh. And then all of his friends,
the people that I had met at parties at his house,

(01:29:25):
about ten of them shut up in trunks all around.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Maren County, trunks one after the other, like chilling, and
like John's dead in the trunk.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Parts dead in a trunk. He's dead in the trunk.
Yet all of his friends got killed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
And you're saying, that's the FBI. Yes, that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
It wasn't the gang drugular members that they were hanging
out with.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
It couldn't have been them or natural causes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
And good lord, there's theories, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
They're going to take a nap in a trunk, that's right.
It's suicide by suffocation.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Yeah. I forgot to mention that they all that they
lived in trunks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Oh well that's a huge detail. You guys, will you
please help us. Thank Dave, Anthony Ancher, Renald, thank you.
We appreciate it so much. Thank you all for coming here.
This has been an amazing night. Hey you guys, stay sexy.
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