59 - Live At The Wilbur

We're in the combat zone for a live episode of My Favorite Murder in Boston! Karen and Georgia cover the Molly Bish case and a serial killer who called himself The Giggler!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
There's my gosh.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You have to do it? Oh my god. Terrifying.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
They never there's an orchestra pick keeping you guys from us.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
They never let you guys this clothing. No, we had
on all our other tour stops. High Boss said, I
don't know if anyone's out there just waving at the roof. No,
they're there. I thought you've flipped them off.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I just saw someone have to go to the
bathroom or they couldn't handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Nope, I thought this was get out, so they did,
so they did.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hi, everybody, This is thank you us too. This is
a lot. This is a lot, and it's fucking right here.
I know. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's not like we're ballerinas and we're so used to
the orchestra, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
It looks like, yeah, it's exciting. Were you going to talk? Well,
first we do outfit?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Ready? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Thanks? Yeah, just take it around. Don't be afraid to
take it around. No, side don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I don't have pockets, but I had a tissue put
in here because I have allergies earlier and it looked
great and I lost it.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Grandma.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, my grandma used to always have four tissues up
pray like the worst magician of all time.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I need to do that to Dum, not always.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
This is the dress that I wore that I got
in Chicago, that I wore on our very first live show, right,
I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Don't have to scream for that.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But I went shopping yesterday and I picked out almost
the exact same dress, but by the same person.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
The whole thing. It's just like the sleeves were this
much shorter, and I was like, I'm just really don't
wear that old dress. Yep, I'm wearing a Jessica Sepson tonight.
Thank you. You don't have to be blonde like bad fashion.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I need to stop wearing dresses with any kind of
flare because then I can't well, in my mind, I
can't rewar them. Oh, it's you know what I mean,
Like I have I have four hundred dresses scene. Yeah,
it's just well you have enough to choose from, though, yeah,
but not black ones. I'm like colors and like I'm
I'm like, what's turned from a three's company? The neighbors
sy oh, the slutty neighbor, missus roper, Oh, missus fluddy.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, missus Roper, the slutty slut neighbor.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
In the later seasons, there was a slutty neighbor who
wanted to funk Jack constantly.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And it was this.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It used to embarrass me as a child when he'd
open the door and it'd be what.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Was her name, Janie, Lana, Lana? Is that correct? Or
you're just yelling slut names. Sorry to all the Lana's
in here, but you kind of knew already.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Jack would open the door and then she'd be like hello, Jack,
and I'd be like.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Dial it back. They like it when you don't like them.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I didn't know that because of the TV shows from
the eighties.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Or it's like you I am take it. I'm like wow. Oh.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I also brought like my only nice heels that I
owned that I wore one time almost a year ago
at my wedding that still had like glitter on the
upside down about heel. And then I got to I
took them out of the hotel and I was like,
fucking liately, not, I'm not doing this, So I have
flats on because what the fuck, I'm not a fucking.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're basically wearing those socks that you wear under.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Slip on shoes, right yeah, and I'm sure they smell
and they're.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Like, slip another pair of shoes on top of those
shoes if you felt like got you just.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Kind of blew my mind. And now I'm like, oh well,
I could hear them though, because no one would know
the difference exactly right. Fine, it wasn't a slam my
life is.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Especially because coming from this area where just a quick
negative shout out to my sister Laura, who, after seeing
us at the Oakland show, which was our first stop
on this tour. Yeah, shout out to Oakland, she texted
and said, I thought the show was great, but you
have to get rid of those tights you're wearing. So

(04:53):
swell with their tights. This is what it is to
have an older sister. So then I was like, I'm
not I get those are the times I like whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
And then of course that's the first thing I bought yesterday.
I was like, do you have any I'm very sheer.
My sister needs to see me in a sheer. Tight
control top would be great control top, whatever price, I'll
pay whatever price. And so then that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Now I look like I look like an orphan child
that's been in the ash bin.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's not you know, this isn't the look I do, Nick,
can I? This is in my jam at all? No.
So once I saw how sheer the tights are, I
was like, well, I'm not wearing heels now, fuck everything,
I'm going to clog town. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Right, this tour is now called we don't give a
shit about shoes. That's my favorite murder story.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Is there enough time to get that on the shirts?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Joe?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Please? Can we get Stephen? Can you go ahead and
go ahead and Stephen? And he's not here, he's not here,
but here we don't bring him with us.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Sometimes he'll get us it though, and that part will
mean the world to him.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I texted him and I was like, you know, we
were like edits on this, and then I was like, hey,
you know, we talk a lot of shit to you,
and I just want to make sure you know that
we're joking and it's funny because you're the most amazing
fucking person, and well, but we'll dive back if you like,
if it's like hurting your feelings. He's like, no, I
love it or he was like, no, it's great.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
We had a really great bit going on the Lost episode,
the Vancouver Lost episode, just for some reason, and the whole.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Thing was I think it was Vancouver.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It was about how Stephen was hiding underneath the curt
of this tablecloth, mister sitting there with my super nerd.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
There was a random cat under there.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yes, there's just a cat he found in the alley
and he's just stroking his mustache listening to the live episode.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
He really does that. Did you have you noticed he does.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
He's like he's a bit of a nervous nelly, so
he does a little bit of this, you know, he
has a little bit of this, which is like he's
halfway to one of these like whimsical facial hair guys.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, oh, let's talk about ice cream. Okay, it's hard
left turn. Yeah, Steven, ice cream Katana shit on Steven
for at least ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Okay, ice cream, it.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Is we So we got a gift backstage of ice cream.
It says, Hi, Karen and Georgia love the show, So
I made you a flavor at my company.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's called Elvis.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Wanna Cookie Bacon Banana Bacon peanut butter cookie butter. Sorry, Karen,
there's sugar in it's sad face.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh that's okay, I'm eating sugar again.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, yeah, thanks you guys.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Stay sexy, Jacqueline. And it's called the Parlor ice Cream.
You guys been there, Jacqueline.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Fucking good, just really quick banana bacon. Oh I said,
peanut butter cookie butter. That's what we ate backsteak.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's why I were really excited to be here. Sugar,
it's so good.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
It's so good, its presence.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
If you want us to talk about you, I'm.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Reading the Elizabeth Smart bio autobiography called.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
My Story, say biograph autobiogray. Well, well here's the thing
that's an in the room joke. Nobody at home is
going to get that if.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
They listen to this writing for autobiography. Thank you. I'm
riding in my car and why are they laughing?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I feel left out now, I'm angry at a podcast.
I'd better take to social media and tell them exactly
how I feel.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Gosh, I wish they understood. Sorry, sorry, no, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Truly.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Oh yeah, So if you ever want to not if
you ever feel bad about feeling bad about your life
and then just read the Elizabeth Smart story. The girl
got kidnapped and you tom like lived as this guy's
wife as a kid.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
This whole time, I thought you were talking about Elizabeth Short,
the black Doll.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, that's why I was making that day the biography. Oh,
I get it. I thought I was missing something.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Shit, you you were that you were missing that, and
I didn't get what you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I thought I said the wrong thing. Were it again
for a thing? So I'm like, oh, yeah, but that's
not improv my friend. You laugh at things you don't understand. Stephen.
Edit that out, Stephen, that never happened.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Now do you think it's funny if it's the black
doll you're writing her bag?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I knew that was funnier than you were giving it,
and it looked like her. I was totally in the
wrong on that. When I'm so sorry I was. I
clarified who she was.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
She got kidnapped, and she's ready sort own story about it,
and fuck she is like man, maybe it's because she's
into God and stuff, but she's like.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So strong and it makes me like, talk to this guy.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's like gonna make me not sit on my couch
and have anxiety all day about like about the vacuum.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I don't know. Well, don't you think it's like she's
got a little perspective? Exactly? Yes, it comes. Those things
come hand in hand a little bit.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
So I'm gonna steal some of hers, yes, and then
I'm gonna use it to my advantage just to make money.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Is that what? That's okay? That's what books are for.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Hi, plain ride, guys.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
We have a thing to We upgraded to first class
all the way out here. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mom.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I know it's wrong.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
But now I flew my dad coach and I.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Tell you where to sit. Now, Dad, it's my money.
I can do it. What do I want with it?
I gave him.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I got an extra leg room, you know, the little
k You know, he's fine, fine, Marty had a great time.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
He's not here.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
We, on the other hand, had smoked pear of yogurt
tasters right when we sat down.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
My god, they give you food, give you food.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
And it's so embarrassing because I so didn't know how
to do it that I was like, I'll have this
smoked pear yogurt taster and they're like, yeah, everybody gets that. Great.
I'm gonna keep the tending that I know how this
pod works.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
And then I got out to the bathroom. I made
Karen face and then she goes, did you have the sandwich?
The sandwich, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm sorry they did it right though, because it was
a biscuit, like breakfast sandwich on a biscuit with right
with its scrambled eggs, I'm kind of chicken patty sausage.
And then Toomento cheese. I know, Aunt Carol, Yes, I'm
telling you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
At first I was like, this is the worst Thanksgiving ever.
And then I ate it and I was like, your genius.
I like those cheese pub cheese. Yes.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Oh I could eat pub cheese for the rest of time.
So yeah, oh yeah, Usa Town. Sure you want to talk.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
What else do you want to say?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I feel like there was one other thing, but probably
oh oh, I remember when I went and brought you coffee,
went to Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I just I'm not her assistant. I went, I'm just
putting to note right now.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I'm not I'm not Stephen when we travel. I'm just
a good person. And was like, again, he won't mind. Yeah,
He's like, yeah, I get them caught. He brings Careen
the diet coke every week we record. It's the cue
without even asking.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I know he steals it from his work.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Don't tell them, Thanks, Luke Cray. Just kidding, Stephen, you
can you can edit that.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Ut that out.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Stephen's your job, Steven, because we're not paying.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
You enough yet. Uh we will. He's gonna don't worry,
he'll get some kind of massive cut in the end.
He's gonna die. He'll inherit the house or whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I think we've said a lot of that on the podcast,
like if you don't get anything, or you get everything.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I don't remember anyway. So I'm a good person and
brought you coffee, yes, and you you open the door
and I hand you the coffee and you're like, You're like,
I I have to finish my murder. And I was like, okay, bye,
and I was like walking away, and I was like,
I have someone in the fucking hallway heard that.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I didn't think of that, like just some old lady
stepping out to go to some kind of a museum
or cemetery or whatever you guys have here, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Just give me the coffee. I have to finish this murder.
I like, I can't tell people.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Like the normal, really sweet, normal guy on the plane
next to me was like, what are you doing in town?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Which you know?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I was like, I'm here for a thing, and
I couldn't be like love murder. So it's like, really
normal guy.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
We laugh and laugh about murder for hours. We love it,
love it. I have to finish my murder. I mean,
I mean I wish someone would hear that. Okay, now
should we sit? All right? Yeah? Thank you? I know
sitting is definitely that's better. Yeah, I don't know my spanks.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
My spanks are fighting a losing battle.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
There's no like.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's very we We asked for specifically this setup and
I don't know why, Like we're like, could you could
you like dangle us on a precipice for an hour?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So shad we just feel weird.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
I don't want it to be bigger than a quarter
like that. I don't want the table to be bigger
than what's what's the funny thing?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Me? Yeah, in my ass, I'm in any room to
put things on.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I need to feel petite, so the table has to
be barbie sized, please please, And.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Then let's get those chairs.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like the first time we had these chairs and I
was wearing high heels, I was like, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Fall off this chair.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, And now that we're five in I've gotten okay
used to it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But we got to think of something. We gotta think, Well,
this is our first time with graphics. What are they Yeah,
check it out. No one said this before. Yeah, we've
never done that. Go ahead, look at it.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I didn't look at it, but take it in. That's
my name right there, that's my name.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I did. Oh yeah, this is my.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Favorite murder By the way, car jog oh Danta, I'm
not I'm the other one.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Why did I reach up in a dress like this? Guys?
I was walking. I was walking down the street. Huh
and uh tonight just tonight, yeah, just tonight around the corner.
I really was.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
And then I saw it, like and then I like
saw the corner of my eye, like I recognized the thing,
and I looked up and it was the front of
the thing with the projector on it.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well you yeah, me, I know. It sold out really big,
and so I went in the street and took a
photo of it. That's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
By the way, thank you for selling this out. Yeah,
that's very nice. Thank you hasn't gotten old yet.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Imagine if we were here on theater row and everybody
like the Blue Man Group, and everybody just pitied us.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
They were just like, did you hear they sold fifty
tickets or just said not sold out? Yep, super available
right down in front, buy one, get one free. Uh
so this is the point. Normally what where we asked

(16:57):
who goes first? Right? Right?

Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's right, Well I'm going first anyways, because because of this,
because graphics have to be because Steven.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Needed to know.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Also some people might be off count This is the
dumbest thing in the world already. Irresponsibility has become like
a fun game for people, or like our like total
lack of really almost interest in our own project. But
also when we were on the road, we switched it
up one night and I swear to god, where were we?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I think that made him?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
In Seattle people were not happy where They're like, it's
Georgia's churn. We're like, okay, alrighty, I mean everybody.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Show like we don't know. It's nobody's turn. It's ever
nobody's turn.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think about it, it's everyone's churn. It doesn't exist, fuck
all of it. Okay, I'll go first. This is the
my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Sorry sorry, sorry, sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
No that was good. That's Karen. I'm George. All right.
This is the murder of Molly Bish. Oh s fucked up.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Half of people are upset, half of them are excited.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
No one's excited excited.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I just like, it's the same feeling I have where
I go. I fucking seen this one four times. Tell
me about uh oh, I bet.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I know I remember this part.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yes, all right, Well, well I did some digging and
I came up with some I didn't come I compiled
some suspect you saw the case.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I saw the case. Okay.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Summer of two thousand, Molly bish is working as a
lifeguard at Commons Pond in Warren.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Who's from there? Nobody?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Uh is Warren Shitty.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Everyone's like, oh wow, that's what she.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Okay, So her mom is dropping her off at a
shift for her lifeguard duty. And again she's sixteen years old,
and she's the mom sees a mustached man in a
white sedan in the parking lot of.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Oh my god, no hackling. But that was really good.
We usually don't let somebody down in the orchestra.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Pit was like, Steven, Well, when you see the composite, it.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Might be Stephen.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
He really is shaping up to be a real sexual offender.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Can we edit that a hair? Stephen gets it?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Please, the loveliest person in the world, but facial hair wise,
very suspicious.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Baby. He can never sit in a sedan ever again.
Like you know how he loves sitting in sadan. He
too loves to go park in a parking lot.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, you can't do it, says, it relaxes him.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The mom sees a mustachioed man in a white sedana
the parking lot of the beach area where Molly's post
was located, and the mom was like, what the fuck,
the guy's shady, But and so she waits till the
guy drives away, and then the next day, you know,
she hadn't thought of it. The next day she goes
to drop her off and she kind of get does
a little check and he's not there. So she's like
great and leaves her. And we know that Molly made

(20:18):
it to her lifeguard stand because a witness saw her
at ten oh seven am. But by the time the
first group of swimmers got to the beach around ten fifteen,
Molly was already gone missing. Hours later, police contacted Mary's
Molly's mom, informing her that no white could have been
on duty all day, which has to be a fucking
awful call, and that Molly's belongings had been left unattended

(20:40):
at her station. The only clue, like her flip flops
are there and everything. The only clue was at the
first aid kit that was by the chair was open,
and it made police speculate that someone had Someone asked
Molly for assistance and was like, do you have a thing,
and she went to look for it, and then you.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Know, Ted bundystyle, like, oh my arm is broken and
do you have can you help me?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Totally So the mom was like, this fucking creepy man
was here yesterday and made me creep creeped out. And
so Maggie the mom tells someone what she looked, what
he looks like, and they draw a composite sketch of him,
and uh, they say, the man is the best lead.
And witnesses came forward and said that they saw a

(21:23):
similar white car in the parking lot moments before Molly
and the mom arrived the day Molly disappeared, and so
police produced a composite sketch.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Hello you guys like that?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm new with this. Fuck Stephen, It's Stephen Brady Moore. Seen.
I got. People were freaked out by the word composite sketch.
I know they like the way you pronounced it. Yeah. Wrong,
Uh creepy.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't want to see that guy anywhere, and I
don't want to I don't want to see that guy anywhere.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I know that's malice in the eyes.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, that's what she said. He looked, he looked cocky.
She said, right, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Sorry, hold on, I think the visual aids a really
adding a huge Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Why didn't whose idea was it you?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
I think it was Joe, our tour manager in Stephen,
Joe and Steven producing the shit out of the show.
We're like, all we need is a tiny table and
some uncomfortable chairs. I'm fine, and well maybe people want
to see things.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
We just need you to whittle down a normal size
table and then get us really high cocktail chairs. I'll
take care of the bat nylons. Whatever else do you
feel like doing. You can go ahead and do great
great h okay.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Then began what became the largest and most expensive search
for a missing person ever undertaken in Massachusetts, but no clues.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Rubber found and tell.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Late fall of two thousand and two, a hunter is
in the woods and he sees a blue bathing suit
on Whiskey Hill in Palmer.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Anyone, No, cool, You can't cheer if you just recognize it.
That's not They're like, yeah, someone probably lives there.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
I've seen Palmer, Yeah, Emerson Lake, and I love him.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
The guy rolled your eyes at your own I do that, Zy,
That just came out of my mind.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
That girl is something else.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
So the dude doesn't think anything of it, but he
mentions it to his friend and the friend is like,
I'm like really smart, and I make the connection.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
He does it. His name is Tim mcgw. Nope, his
name is His name is Tim, and he makes the connection.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
We call him Tim Mickey, Tim Mickey, Mickey Mickey g
Tim McGee, the old sharp.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Eye mick Timmy.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, that's what we call him, old every time, brainy
brain investigator. He contacted police. Whatever his name is. He
contacts police. Then on June ninth, two thousand and three,
day after my birthday.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Gives a shit, put it in your calendar. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
So it's two years after disappearing, Molly's body is found
five miles from her family home. Yeah, so he had
seen the blue bathing suit and then a fuck. There
are three main suspects that I could find, and I'm
going to list them in maybe they did it. So yeah,
they totally did it. Or yeah. So in two thousand

(24:39):
and seven, a man named Robert Brno who fifty four,
is charged with an Oh my.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
God, I.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Can't for I thought it.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
It was like that guy ran for Senate and he
was a Trump guy.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I just thought I said it wrong. Ago, that's what happened.
That happened to us in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I fucking mentioned the detective that was investigating the Green
River killer that Ted Bundy helped. I say the guy's name.
The audience goes fucking berserk, booing.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Us, and I was like, well, that was a fun run.
I guess we're not doing this anymore. Here's some lunatic
Republican whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, Marius, I like that.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
We're standing up like Victorian gentleman for every fucking criminal
that comes up.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
So Robert Berno, he's fifty four. He looks like the
sketch kind of right.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
He well, he's got those eyes Jesus Christ, and I mustache.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
And this is when he's older too, so it could
be very different. So he had been charged with annoying.
He's charged with annoying and accosting a person of the
opposite sex. She's like, dude, hmmm, and assault with a
dangerous weapon a car.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
So is he like just pulling up and tapping her
with the bumpers over and hey, hey, hey, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Actually?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, what what his check is?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
This young woman is running.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
On Broomfield's a little alum road, and he keeps trying
to pin his pin her against the guard rail with
a hard Yeah, you can't pepper spray a car. I mean,
what do you fucking do? But she got away like
a badass.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's I feel like, that's really unfair, I know, right
to try to pin someone with your car when they're.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Just a just a jogger.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, that's when you have the least amount of clothes on.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah, like at least, yeah, anyway, at least get near
enough that I could maybe pepper spray.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
She got away. She got away she got.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Hey, So the only connection that is known of is
that Who's brother lives about three point two miles from
where Molly was found and he's fucking assaulting a woman
he had lived in the town of Agawam.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I knew.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Hell say it again. I'm sorry, I go so you
fucking know that one. Other ones are easy to fucking say.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
That's cool, Wooster, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm truly embarrassed about that one. Please, I mean, there's
so many things to choose from. Why pick that? Please?

Speaker 4 (27:46):
I am I am from southern California, so hard.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
There's just no way. I find that.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
What helps with the Boston accent is if you put
your shoulders up and squint your eyes, like Wooster.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And I say too that, like two of the nicest
people on the street helped me with something that in
La they would have yelled at me for I like
dropped something and like two people were like, hey, like
ran me down and we're so and I was being
a fucking idiot, like looking at my phone like a dick,
like I was totally meaving.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Anyways, they were really nice, So thanks Bostin.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That was just a sidebar anecdote about something that happened.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I just want to say I'm nice everyone. It's even
like scream names at me.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I thought you were going to be like how they
came up to you with their accents or something they had.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
They had like the best accents too, do it. No,
come on, I'm not gonna offund them again.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
They don't care. They love it you because you dropped
your books. My moreless saw you drew up your book
something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Uh, theater school years and years of theater.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Maybe later, maybe later. I'm sweating Dada three point two.
My house from Marmalia is found. He had lived in
the town of aga Agawam. Pretended to sing along.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
HeiG god it it's a it's a Colin repeat.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Where twenty four year Lisa Zygart was fuck man Ziegert.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I just wish you guys would all come to my
house and I'll yell fucking names at you. It's killed
Gariff with an a sorry dark fuck Georgia.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
No, it's no Georgia, Karen. It's really easy. You didn't
get it wrong. I can't yell at you about that, Okay.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
So Lisa was abducted from her part time job at
a card shop on April fifteenth, nineteen ninety two, and
a gawam.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
She's doing it. I'm kid, she's doing it for attention.
I am.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's about thirty miles from Warren and she's Larren.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Sorry, Lisa, Let's let her tell the story. I really
wish she wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Lisa's body was discovered in a wooded area four days
after she was abducted, and she'd been stabbed to death,
her baby.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I know you were just having so much fun. So
can we bring it back bucking down?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Let's bring it all the way down Little Alum Road
where Bruno attempted to accost the jogger is about five
miles from Commons Pond where Molly was abducted.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah. And also you're getting one of those things like
it was a procedural. There would be like a pin
with a.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Piece of thread, no, and then someone making a.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Circle with it.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, if I were a professional, there'd be a fucking
map right here.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I mean, could you imagine a map with circles on it,
red and green and whatnot?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I was gonna, I really thought about it.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Are you serious, like designing some kind of a map circle?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah? But you know you have to curl that hair.
You know, this hair doesn't curl itself. Girl stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
And then oh and also his mugshot resembles the person
the mother saw, and she said that the similarities between
them are frightening. Quote all right, suspect number two and
November twenty eleven, Gerald Bassett TONI Gerald, Gerald.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I was so proud of myself. We're getting right. I'm sorry,
you're round.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Well, you're all freaked out now, I am. You're so sweaty.
Let's get this strike clean. Take it out of my.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Hippy.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Dudes, look this evil in this area Like it doesn't
but it does. Like look at those eyes, those eyes,
look at that power, like the grimace those yeah's him.
It's not a ham haul.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So those are the same eyes of every like fifty
eight year old woman in Beverly Hills. That's what it
looks like when you get plastic surgery. Nobody ever believes
you're younger.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
That's some bloat right there. You just look like a
potential murderer. That's a fucking that's some hard cord natty
light bloat. Half an hour you know, Oh yeah, I
think it's him. Look at them, Look at the look
at the in the middle of his eyes, the brow furrow.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, dude, if I could do anything with computers, what
I would do right now is an animated gift that
draws on that mustache on that oh yeah, kind of
real sketch.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
I love when they take the two the real picture
in the sketch and they go soup and you're like,
oh my god, but it's not him even it's just
you can convinced him anything.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, you're just like the pictures blended and it makes
him guilty.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Uh, Gerald, because name's Gerald, it's Gerald's. Yeah. He was
a confidential informant for the Eastern Hampton County Narcotic Tasks Force,
which he's a narc Like that doesn't mean he's like
a good guy.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like he was like a.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Fucking got arrested and was like, I'll tell you everything.
He's a fucking he was a stun pigeon. Now I'm
doing New York.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
It doesn't I've lost my I'll be there tomorrow. We'll
be there tomorrow. Up Up where did I go?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Okay, So he's a jerk and he uh he's named
as a suspect by a private detective and he's served
a prison sentence for repeatedly raping a teenaged.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Girl in the nineteen nineties. I know who.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I think it was his girlfriend's best friend's daughter.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
He's a fucking creepy piece of shit.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Okay, So he had a criminal record dating back to
nineteen eighty and he'd been in the area where Molly
Bush's body was found and resembles the sketch. And then
who doesn't I mean, he spent my photo up there, Steve.
He attempted suicide in prison by slitting his own throat
after a newspaper articles identified him as a potential suspect. Wait, guilty,

(34:23):
fun but he's already in jail, in jail for something unrelated.
It comes out in the paper and they're like, and
now he's a shame. Yeah, I think he's there for
the No. Now he's like, oh shit, I absolutely did it.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Goodbye, you know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
And you also don't I don't think you like slit
your own throat, Like that's not a chill, Like I'm
going to make it look like I want to die,
Like that's not a no.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You're you're out, You're out of there.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
You're giving it your best shot. Yeah, so, but unrelated
to the suicide. He died in November twenty fourteen, So
you're saying he did it. Oh, that's number two.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
That's a two. And then finally, don't make me decide yet. Okay,
this is like the dating the worst dating game ever.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Do you want the weasel eyed bachelor number one?

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Now you can take this, the sketch guy. Take this
the guy was sketched out, and then he'll kill you.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
All right.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
So in two thousand and nine, last suspect a woman
named Crystal Morrison who's fifty. She's a former Warren local
who's now living in Florida. She makes a series of
really weird calls to her sister Bonnie, and in the calls,
Crystal is whispering and would bring up the topic of
murder and repeatedly ask the name of Bonnie's bird, which

(35:42):
was Mollie, like in a really weird like, oh what's
your bird's name?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh, like to make her keep saying it, trying to
give her some kind of signal.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Yeah, And the sisters found the crystals sound dead, and Bonnie,
the sister who was on the phone, was like tells
Massachusetts authorities about her sister's boyfriend who ends up getting
convict for the murder of Crystal. Bonnie tells him that
the that Rodney where did I put his name?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Rodney?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
He had lived in This guy had lived in Southbridge, Massachusetts,
a few miles.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Fuck, I keep getting freaked out. No, it's that guy.
Someone's like, I live.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It's got to be this guy.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
He'll lash that guy. I don't know, I think the
other Yeah, yeah, it's this guy.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
I wish we could see his photo, like this is
two thousand and nine.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I think I wish we could see him, and.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I wish he I wish he would put a bunch
of walnuts in his cheeks so.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
We would match that guy then we'd know. That's how
let's get him a facelift in jail. You guys will
all fan together start a Kickstarter.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I'm sorry, but this is our new show where we
just are like, look at pictures, where are.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
People gassed with us? We freak out, and then we
all turn and look at the photos. We forget over
and over, over and over.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
All.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Right, So this psychopath, so he he lived in the
area a few miles from the town of Warren, where
Molly disappeared for more than twenty years and moved to
Florida a year after Molly was murdered.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Red Flag. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
He was known to have access to a white car
similar to the one seen the day before Molly's disappearance,
and was known to fish in Commons Pond and hunt
in the woods where Molly's body had been found.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Near the area near the fucking area.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, multiple areas. And it wasn't until twenty thirteen. A
further connection between them. Between Molly and Rodney appeared weeks
before her disappearance in Southbridge. Mollie who lives in Warren,
She actually took the classes for the certification for her
lifeguard certificate. Always name is Rodney Stranger by the way,

(37:59):
like stranger, like making a murder.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
In the l away what oh oh, what was your thing? Like? Sorry?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
So she's taking her certification for lifeguarding and it's in
south Bridge where he lives. And so his house is
just three tenths of a mile from the place where
she takes her classes, which I think is the MCA.
So like, he probably goes things out there too, And
then it speculated that the two maybe met. There's a
local coffee shop where everyone hangs out and she's really

(38:29):
friendly and outgoing, her parents said. And so if he
was like chatting her up and they were talking and
he's like, so, what are you doing in town? And
she's like, Oh, I'm going to be a lifeguard.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh when are you going to go? Where are you?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I go to comments pond. I fished that, you know
what I mean. Maybe I'll come visit, you know. And
then she's and then he comes up to her lifeguard stand.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
He's like, hey, remember me, I need a band aid
And she's like, okay, because she fucking trusts.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
So, oh it's my good friend from the cafe with
the huge mustache and the worst eyes I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I better help him.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah man, yeah, yeah, So she maybe told him that.
Then in September of last year, so just September twenty sixteen, oh,
enhanced DNA testing quote became available in September for like

(39:15):
the DNA that they had, so detectives wanted to test it.
Twenty four pieces of evidence collected during the investigation, additional
evidence that had never been tested. It hasn't been tested yet,
and the sister said she had not been told which
items will be tested, but it came from the pond
where Molly was last seen. So here's Molly Bush a

(39:37):
photo of her.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I know I had that flannel. I think I know
all those pictures have heard you just know that girl.
I know. It's just that like you went to high school.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
With lect or choker. She has a necklace like a
Hemp necklace.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Wait, is this nineteen ninety seven?

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Two thousands? Like the same thing when you're in Massachusetts?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Right, No, you have to deal with it. We have microphones.
Slammed your mouth. That's my new laugh at you, Karen.
That's so charming, isn't it neat?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, So hopefully they'll test that DNA and we'll get
an update on this case. And then Rodney Stranger, who's
clearly the fucking killer.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Should we make a friendly wager on it? I bet
you two thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's not No, I'm just kidding. I was like, that's
a lot of first class, but it's one that's one.
That's one way.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Let's all go to the jail cell where he's in
right now, fucking beat it out of him. What we're
not allowed to say? No, no, oh, because then they're like,
she incited people to Oh.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
No, there's not Stephen, don't let me get arrested. Edit
out any arrest or problem that I call by the
rest of my life. Yeah, I saw.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I saw that her mom is on one special. That's
heartbreaking because her mom, you know, you know, worked so
hard to find her and was so active, and it's
very sad. There's also one of the it's like the
worst funny thing of all time.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Do you guys know what I'm gonna be about.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
It's a news it's a local news report and they
are talking about this case.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
But when they go to put up that.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Guy's picture, stranger, it's a picture of a hamster instead.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
What I was not expecting that it is.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
So funny terrible, like because the reporter it's very sad
and serious.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's well into the case. Who did that? Some fuck
up in.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Like the graphics department was like, then we do the
hamster story and it's like no, no, no, no, audible, we.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Don't have that. Yeah, it's a fucking spot off. I
thought you were going to say it was like it
was the like vacations photos from the newscaster. No, that's work.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You have to look it up because it's it's hilarious terrible,
but Also, here's.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
How I'm you know, my early murder.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
You know, the first time somebody showed me that, it
was like in a writer's room, and instead of laughing
at the hamster, I was like, I know, the molly
bish case. And then that's what I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
It's just like, that's actually an incredibly sad case, because.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
I know, I hate when people like casually bring something
up that has that they don't even care about murder,
and then.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You're like, oh, do you know that it's crazy about
that case? Is that this happened? And then and then
they're like, okay, okay, like, don't start it if you
don't want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Thisnce what's trying to help me find like a murder
for New York. And then I know I was like, oh,
that case is cool because and then he was just
like I'm just giving you a name. He was like,
please stop telling me about bodies being found and fucking drums,
not like you.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Know that's a oh dear, that's a for better or
for worse. He agreed to bodies and drums.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Listen, I have to watch wrestling sometimes. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh, that's like give and take murder wrestling.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
All right, you ready for this one?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, you guys. I got all of this.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Off of a blog called I Did It for Jodie.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Have you read that?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I've never seen it before. And uh, it's.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
A person that told this story really well.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So this is fucking straight up plagiarism.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
But it's a really good true crime blog. Yeah, a
lot of other.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Stuff on it, So shout out and full apologies. Don't
assume me I changed every fourth word. Okay, this is
the case Boston's notorious case of the Gigler. Do you
know the giggler? Giggler in California, we call him the Giggler?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
All right, nobody like they made that up for people
who so they can tell they're not from around here.
That's right. It's a test. Yeah, we're like, there's there's
actually no Gigler.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
At one thirty in the morning on June thirteenth, nineteen
sixty nine, a call came through to the Boston p.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
D switchboard, and the voice on the other line said, my.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Dea at the corner of Washington. That's the only I
can't really do it. Boston is really it's truly the
hardest accent.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, you can. You can tell yes, you should be
very proud of that. High fives all around.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
There's nothing worse than when a movie is set in
Boston and there are people who are bad actors in
that movie.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
We can tell thank you Boston, we don't worry. We
don't think they fucking any of these people sound like that.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Well, Also, it's just like, get fucking Matt Damon. If
you can't get somebody that can do the.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
End, I'm sure they have actors in Boston. There's so
many afflecks that want to be in this business. Pull
him in, get him in there. No, I know, right,
we all.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Have opinions, everybody. So the guy on the other line
at the Boston PD switchboard says, my dea, at the
corner of Washington, I'm not trying to be in a
movie right now. The corner of Washington and Nyland Street's
in a construction site.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
There'll be a man down in the water dead.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Then he identified himself as the Giggler, cackled like a
maniac and hung up.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh can you imagine like having to go home that
night after taking that call and be like I talked
to the biggest nerd in Boston. Time you're not going
to fucking name yourself. Yes, he must have like loved
Batman or something.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I'd be like, I want to kill kay people, but
I'm also super nerdy.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You just heard from the giggler. It's so hard to
fake laugh anyway, it's heard a giggle, then you also
are a man. Yeah, how would you do it? That
sounds right.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I bet she was like, not so much like scared
as she was so so sad for him. So when
the police arrived at that location, which is in the
uh is a square in the middle of a place
called these guys know what, I don't know Georgia. If
you know what, it's called the combat zone. So it's
a dirty, dirty, dirty place here in Boston.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I bet it's not anymore.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
We're in it.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
We're in it right now. We're in the fucking combat zone.
And then I have to fucking turns into a strip show.
Uh uh.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Stephen crawls out in a gold lemmee bikini.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Bottom go go no touching, no touching. I don't know
why we're struggling all the side of the fuck. We're
in the combat zone, dude, got it, all right?

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That changes my whole experience. So somewhere nearby here they
find a dead man who is submerged with his skull
crushed in a water filled ditch. So this man, his

(47:44):
name was Joe Breen, and according to his friends, he
had spent his last night on Earth drinking at a
bar called the Novelty.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I doubt this place is in it. Let's I'll go
there after the show.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Uh I would, because what he did on this last
night on Earth was drink beer and.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Play shuffle board. Woo, that's all I need. Sorry, that's
a pretty good way to go out, Maddie, lights and
the shuffle board.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, just he It would have been nicer if you
just dropped dead at the shuffle board airy.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Or not not at all, or maybe not at all.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Lived a full lights everybody or whatever. All right, Uh
I told you not to come here, thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
That's what Taurus apart. That was a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
That's insanely rude. But we're in the combat zone. Baby,
it's rough. Well it's rough in here. It's one side.
It compliments and ship.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So his friends say that at the Novelty is where
Joe Breen met a chubby, dark haired stranger who he
continued to play shuffle board with after his friends.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Were like, no, let's go across the street to that
other bar.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
And then when the bars closed, Joe's friends came back
to the Novelty to get him, but found that neither
he nor his new friend were there anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
And one of the guys that were in Joe's group
of friends was a cop. And so.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
After the Joe's body was found, this guy went back
to the Novelty for like night after night for like
a month to see if he could see the guy again.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
But the guy never showed up again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
So six months later, on December twenty sixth, nine year
old Kenneth Martin is reported missing.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Uh huh. He was last seen near South Station. Oh
is that good? People like?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Ooh, that's Tony. He must have been rich. South Station's bad. Okay,
well that's appropriate because terrible things happened there, and I'm
going to tell you what they are.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
On January sixth, an anonymous tipster calls and says that
Kenneth Martin's body can be found in one of the
tunnels beneath South Station. But he didn't announce himself or
laugh this time. I bet he felt stupid about the
first time.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
So it's and he was.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Like, I'm not doing that anymore. It's stuck anyway, So
the police went down there. It took two days to
locate Kenneth's body and he was lying under a canvas tarp.
He had been strangled to death and the twine was
still around his neck, but there were no signs of
sexual assault.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
It turns out that Kenneth Martin had worked at the
South Station Bowling Alley. Is that still there? Don't you
think it should be? I bet it's one of those,
like the old fashion ones that had the small little
balls and it put the pen. Yes, it was right,
yea yelling candlepin, candlepit candlepin Southern California, doesn't it. We've

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got the biggest pins in home.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Well, he it was one of those because he Kenneth's
job was to reset those pins. He made a little
money resetting the pins at this shitty stationed bowling alley, ma'am.
But the good part about that was because he worked there,
everybody else that worked there knew him, and so they
saw him.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
When he uh.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
They basically saw the last person that was with him,
and that was Kenneth Harrison thirty one unemployed cook.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Who fuck I knew somehow. Oh, he don't look chill,
that is, he looked like he looks like like, uh
John Lennon got punched in the face a bunch. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, he's the beetle where they were like, you know,
we're probably not going to do this that much anymore.
So I don't think we need keyboards, but we want
your brother, George.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
He can stay. He's doing he's great.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Uh yeah, So so this guy basically sleeps in unoccupied
like offices and spaces in South Station, which I hear
is great.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
It's an up and coming area. Now those offices go
for thirty five hundreds there lofts now, so that's my place.
Can't believe he hand wrote this.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I know this is such a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
This looks like fucking quills.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Like it's like I'm a lunatic inside of an asylum, like.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And then the man took the child. Jesus Christ, what
is my life? Okay? It's first class?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Uh oh, I wrote, That's why I was so lost,
because I just randomly wrote good eye bowling alley, dude,
don't stop it, Karen, Okay, I said he'd been at
the bowling alley long enough to know that if you
see a thirty one year old cook and a nine
year old boy paling around together and you're not at

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a Magic the Gathering gathering, then why don't you go
ahead and call the police?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And that's what they did. Ooh whatever it takes. I know.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
They're like, there's no way she's attacking Magic the Gathering.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
She threw it.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Down and she doesn't give a Thus she's more of
a world or warcraft l I don't know if those
aren't even close.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
To each other. Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Turns out when the cops went to talk to Kenneth Harrison,
he had the day before jumped on a train to
Providence Rhode Island. Is that a fun train trips?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, it's close because never mind what I met some
nice murderingos and when I was having lunch earlier and
they told me where Rhode Island and it's like, oh, so,
did you guys come in for the day or like
fly in? And then like it's like an hour would
you take a boat or a train? Very nice about it,

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though where we live it takes seven hours to get
anywhere else, like in the city, in the same city
in that one city. Don't come in here to Los
Angeles and Boston are so different, thank you. Oh no,
you're getting one. Well it's from the probably the ladies
at the bar we're.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
In, Oh, I seem they they're the ones who talked
to you about the Providence Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I like to picture that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
It's like a soap dish thing where you're going up
to people being like, where's Providence Rhode Island?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Do you listen to podcasts? Like it's clearly a girl
that's coming to the show. You can just tell you, yeah,
well you see your shirt. Yeah it pens on. I
know you're coming, all right.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So the police bring and he's gone. The police bring
Kenneth Harrison back to Boston and and they interrogate him,
and Kenneth tells police that he was, uh, he was
sitting in an office and he was suddenly struck with
the urge to kill and that's when Kenneth rolled on by,

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and he has no memory of it because he was
blackout drunk. He claims that he woke up down in
the tunnels next.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
To the dead body.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
He covered it with the canvas and left because he
he said, uh, oh, he he called it in and
then he left because he fell back. And then the
cops were like, oh, really, is that your story? And
then Kenneth Harrison said, well, as long as I'm here,
I might as well tell.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
You about a few more. Who is I'm the gig? Laugh?
So huh. Two and a half years earlier, while he
was this is fucked up.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
We've been having a nice time so far, it's about
to get really not that great. Well, he was working
as a cab driver. He saw six year old Lucy
palmern she's gonna come up in a secondent well, I
mean yeah, So he.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
He sees her walking. This is the thing too, She's
six years old walking to the store to get candy.
Six six years old.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Because it's the sixties, she's this big easy get out
of here.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I don't want to see you till the sun goes down. Lucy,
go go play fucking go walk around the south side
of Boston. Yeah, World of Warcraft isn't invented yet, Go play.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Just go.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So he is in his cab. He offers her a
ride and she gets in. He's gets she gets in willingly.
They drive around the neighborhood for a bit and then
he parks the cab on a bridge overlooking four point
Channel God, which is the site of the Boston Tea Party.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Georgia. You'll be tested later on that it's that I
just didn't even know it. Again, everyone's so pissed. I
know what it is. It's hard. It's hard to be vulnerable.

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So so they get out.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Of the cab and he encourages her to get on
his back because he's going to give her a piggyback ride.
And uh then he tells the police he was again
struck with that urge to kill, and so instead of
putting her like up on his shoulders, which is not
a piggyback ride, but it's how the thing was written,
so I just have to copy and paste as I

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see it, he instead of lifting her to put her
on his shoulders, he just throws her off. The bitch.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Fuck yeah, get out.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
So five weeks later later, Lucy's body is found on
May twenty fourth, but since there was no one witnessed
it was the middle of the day, nobody witnessed it happening,
her death had been was ruled accidental.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And then on November.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Twenty sixth, nineteen sixty eight, while walking Across that same bridge,
he spots seventy five year old Clover Parker, an old
lady who had been slipping on the ice and had
a cane clover and he yeah, yeah. He walked over
to help her and was again struck with the urge

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to kill, and so he punched her in the face
a couple of times and then threw her off the
bridge again in broad daylight. Where what is the situation
with the bridge? Is there a bunch of trees nearby?
Why am I asking? Why am I asking?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Do you think anyone's on their first date right now?
And one person was like, what do you want to do?
And she's like, I want to go to this thing
you want to comment? I really want you to like
try it.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I like ya, And they're like, this state's over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
The one person's all, after this, we're gonna go back
and we're gonna have some drinks. And the other person's
like already texting their friend like you have to fucking
come get me at.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
The wilbur right now. Why did you set me up
with her? What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (59:31):
What?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Who is this? That's fine? Uh?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
The bruising on her face the beating was mistaken for
post mortem injuries, and so again it was ruled in
accidental death.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Then seven months later is when he met up with
Joe Breen and beat him to death with the rock.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
He had hit him in the head with a rock. Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Then, But then in his confession he wasn't done because
then he rolled it all the way back to January
twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six, which was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
The date of the Paramount Hotel fire.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
That was a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well known hobo hotel here in the combat zone.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Say hobo anymore, you can't say it. No, Hobo's bad.
Hobo's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It's a train worker, train track. You can say what
I mean, you can say whatever. You fucking no, it's
a I just I don't know. That's what I heard. Really, yeah,
all right, trying that anybody can type anything into that machine, right,

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I mean, they can just do whatever they whoever Jody is?
She she didn't know yet. Jody didn't know. It's Jody Foster,
did I Jennifer Tody Foster.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
It's the Mark David Chapman quote when he gets oh yeah,
wait what it's a reference?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Oh okay, oh transient.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
No, I'm scared of pictures coming up Jody Foster picture
hobo with the big fucking line through it Jesus a
transient hotel for people who did not have homes or
money or people that loved him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
So it was very much sadder than it normally had
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
If you're just picturing a hobo a little stick on
his shoulder and fucking patches.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
On his knee, I guess yeah, okay, I hope in all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
These different ways you can't tell people to cope.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Differently pre nineteen nineties, you can call him hobo. I'm okay, excited,
it's a This is sixty six, so you're good. The
height of hobo action. All right, we'll stop, we'll stop,
will stop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So he Basically fifty people were injured, eleven people died
in this fire, and it was it was decided that
it was because of a gas leak until Kenneth Harrison
explained that he set that hotel on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Fire because he wanted to watch it burn. What so uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
He was tried for Kenneth Martin's murder first, and he
was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole,
and then just to get it all taken care of
all together, his lawyers struck a deal so that in
exchange for him pleading guilty to second dream murder in
each case, each of the other cases he was given
three life sentences with the possibility of parole to run

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concurrently with the one where there was no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Fucking way it was getting out. So it's all just
kind of like, do you want this Kenneth?

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
Okay, can you imagine? Like that's his best bet? Yeah,
Like they're not fucking around.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yeah, He's like, could you could I also have stickers?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Nope, certain stickers are only for the good boys, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So then he was sentenced to hard labor at Walpole
State Prison. You guys, summer there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
There's just a row of dudes in like orange jumpsuits
chained together.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
They're just like, yeah, that's what I came here for.
Finally my favorite murder, the prison tour. Yeah, ah, dude,
I'm telling you, she's a fucking idea machine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
You wouldn't believe the ship that comes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Out of her mouth. Would I be able to call
them and stuff? Though I'd get.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Mad one percent at the time I say ship correctly,
and then it's and it's golden.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
The rest is worst.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Worcester, I bet you I bet the prisoners wouldn't care,
he said, Worcester. Yeah, they would, they would, they would
the most, and they'd try to try to strangle us
because of it. So I mean, instead of going to Walpole,
they send him to Bridgewater State Hospital for the mentally

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and for the criminally insane. Now I have to tell
you in our next show, we're doing different murders tonight.
And I know, right, uh, And I don't know what
the problem is that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
It's just we're changing its variety, but not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Bridgewater State Hospital plays into so many here, it's they
send everybody there terrible, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Luck in there, get in there, well, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
There's a there's a really upsetting documentary called the Titty
Cut Follies and it's about it's hard to find. They
pulled it because it was an infringement of people's privacy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
But this guy went in and made a documentary about.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Life inside this this state prison.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Went to that. No, that was the one that was
in Staten Island.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
But similar I bet you that probably gave Walda the
idea because it was this thing where they went in
of like, oh, this is every year they do a
talent show at It's Bridgewater.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Right at Bridgewater Stay Prison, they do a talent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Show and so they were like, we're going to go
film that, but of course what they were really filming
is this fucking the way people are treated and how
awful it was and dehumanizing and everything. So I just thought,
I throw that movie recommendation now for you if you
have a you know, Pune weekend planted throw that one
in there, just to see man's in humanity to man.

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So Kenneth Harrison stayed at Bridgewater for twenty years and
then in April of nineteen eighty nine, they told him
that he was scheduled to beach finally be transferred. They
gave him a nice twenty year holding period and then
they said you're going to get transferred to the state prison.
So he oweded on his antidepressants.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
You can do that, and yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
That if you save him up, you have to save
up a ton.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Your tyue them into your gum gummam you gum them, yeah,
or you go ahead and maybe you aren't pit them, right,
there's all these ways.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, And then the person who wrote I did it
for Jody made a very hilarious joke about the great
irony of the giggler dying of antidepressant over God.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
That is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
And I had to tell you that it's a very
strong person, a very strong stand up comedian that doesn't
just rip that joke off and say it has her own.
I wanted to really bad I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Karen, applaud me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Applaud me, that is, applaud me for stealing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
That might be the best closer of any murder we've
ever talked about, of the irony of that juxtaposition.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Gorgeous, Yes, love it. They're coming for you for a bridge,
that is, do we have time for a do we.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Do? The people? One guy's like, no, this date do
we have Can you look over there and see if
they're they're saying no, no, sorry. I guess I should
have looked before I asked. We should have looked first.
That's what that's our lesson. No, a guy yelling yo,
well yo yo yo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Weight isn't going to work out here at this show,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
That's simply not happening. We'd love for you to stay
sexy and

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Don't get Thank you bosday, you so much, Monday, Thank
you much